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Title: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: dutchy on May 02, 2017, 11:44:42 AM
Curious what the fakespace endorsers have as explainations this time around !

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Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 12:33:24 PM
Ooooop's Nasa - that one kinda slipped!  ???

But, why the 11 seconds delay, in the first place?
In 2.5 seconds a signal can reach the moon!
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: dutchy on May 02, 2017, 12:43:23 PM
Ooooop's Nasa - that one kinda slipped!  ???

But, why the 11 seconds delay, in the first place?
In 2.5 seconds a signal can reach the moon!
Are there still normal persons around who act as normal human beings ?
If i wouldn't know better i thought i'd listen to some highschool play about space...in the theater of Arlington Oregon.




Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: markjo on May 02, 2017, 01:07:00 PM
Ooooop's Nasa - that one kinda slipped!  ???

But, why the 11 seconds delay, in the first place?
In 2.5 seconds a signal can reach the moon!
Good question.  Why would NASA build in an 11 second delay for a fake transmission?

*edit* My guess is that the delay might be for buffering the high data rate.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 02, 2017, 01:19:54 PM
Nope, there can be no other explanation for the delay in transmission to the object that I have seen, and have photographed, passing over my house many times. Unless of course it's one of those all too common moments in broadcasting when the there was a comms glitch and the transmission didn't make it which is why they were floating around waiting.

I'd like to hear how people who have a problem connecting with reality explain the fact that they are floating in microgravity the whole time.

it's easy to sneer at things you don't understand, but it's not big and it certainly doesn't make you sound clever.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: dutchy on May 02, 2017, 01:49:38 PM
Good question.  Why would NASA build in an 11 second delay for a fake transmission?

*edit* My guess is that the delay might be for buffering the high data rate.
And what delay should an astronaut expect while playing on a guitar in sync with a band on earth ?? (last parts of the video)
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Lonegranger on May 02, 2017, 01:55:26 PM
Why are you people so fixated with NASA conspiracies? NASA what it is or does has little to say about the nature of our planet, that was confirmed long before NASA was ever though about, this whole topic is a flat earth red herring, and a very smelly one at that. There are other lands on our planet other than the USA, I wish you people would raise your eyes and look beyond your borders to the rest of the world.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: dutchy on May 02, 2017, 02:04:51 PM
it's easy to sneer at things you don't understand, but it's not big and it certainly doesn't make you sound clever.
You don't sound to clever either this time around.
Playing tight in a band is as difficult as it gets especcially when you are out of form or haven't practiced much the last months (in outerspace ?).
Playing with any sort of minor delay is only capable for a real pro not to fuck up the performance. But it needs some real skills to master.
Now watch this astronaut playing on a guitar with a band and choir on earth tight like a pro in micro gravity without delay of any kind and obviously not much preperation.

I am a professional musician who played on live podia uncountable times and this time around i can detect the bullshit far better than you do ! ;D

It is like watching the ''fame'' series where they could play anything at any given moment flawlessly with studio quality sound in the schools theater or hall.
But no one complained about this, althaugh it didn't mimick reality very good.
So listen to the pro,....this was space bullshit all over the place......
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: markjo on May 02, 2017, 02:54:20 PM
Good question.  Why would NASA build in an 11 second delay for a fake transmission?

*edit* My guess is that the delay might be for buffering the high data rate.
And what delay should an astronaut expect while playing on a guitar in sync with a band on earth ?? (last parts of the video)
That was not part of the 4k live stream in question.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: rabinoz on May 02, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
Curious what the fakespace endorsers have as explainations this time around !

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Have a grain of uncommon sense!
Don't you think that an organisation with the resources that you claim NASA is pouring into fakery would get a "studio production" that looks right.

These problems are far more likely to happen in a real life situation involving communication with a spacecraft orbiting the earth at about 27,600 km/hr.

Still, some people need all theses dubious claims to prop up their pizza planet.

By the way, just how long ago has this "fakespace" been around? Just look at the history of the "Distance to the Moon".

The distance yo the moon, and evidence of "real space", has been known to a reasonable accuracy for millennia.
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Aristarchus around 270 BC derived the Moon's distance from the duration of a lunar eclipse (Hipparchus later found an independent method).
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From this Aristarchus obtained
                                          Rmoon's orbit/rearth ~ 60
which fits the average distance of the Moon accepted today, 60 Earth radii.
From The Moon's Distance--1 (http://www.phy6.org/stargaze/Shipprc2.htm)
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Hipparchus (probably in 129 BC), whose calculations produced a result of 59-67 R. This method later found its way into the work of Ptolemy, who produced a result of 64 1/6 R at its farthest point.
Note that R is the raduis if the earth.
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An expedition by French astronomer A.C.D Crommelin observed meridional transits of the Moon (the moment when the Moon crosses an imaginary great circle that passes directly overhead and through the poles) on the same night from two different locations. Careful measurements from 1905 through 1910 measured the angle of elevation at the moment when a specific lunar crater (Mösting A) crossed the meridian, from stations at Greenwich and at Cape of Good Hope, which share nearly the same longitude. A distance was calculated with an uncertainty of ± 30 km, and remained the definitive lunar distance value for the next half century.
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Astronomers O'Keefe and Anderson calculated the lunar distance by observing 4 occultations from 9 locations in 1952. They calculated a mean distance of 384407.6±4.7 km, however the value was refined by in 1962 by Irene Fischer, who incorporated updated geodetic data to produce a value of 384403.7±2 km.

Now, of course, we have radar and laser measurements to greater precision.




Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on May 02, 2017, 03:47:04 PM
If I Skype or Facetime someone interstate, the delay can sometimes be a few seconds. Maybe they are further away from me than they allege and are really aliens on Mars!!

Of course I expect human infrastructure to operate at light speed and 100% efficiency with no congestion at all times.  ::)
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: hoppy on May 03, 2017, 05:58:40 AM
Curious what the fakespace endorsers have as explainations this time around !

(http://)
Have a grain of uncommon sense!
Don't you think that an organisation with the resources that you claim NASA is pouring into fakery would get a "studio production" that looks right.

These problems are far more likely to happen in a real life situation involving communication with a spacecraft orbiting the earth at about 27,600 km/hr.

Still, some people need all theses dubious claims to prop up their pizza planet.

By the way, just how long ago has this "fakespace" been around? Just look at the history of the "Distance to the Moon".

The distance yo the moon, and evidence of "real space", has been known to a reasonable accuracy for millennia.
Quote
Aristarchus around 270 BC derived the Moon's distance from the duration of a lunar eclipse (Hipparchus later found an independent method).
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From this Aristarchus obtained
                                          Rmoon's orbit/rearth ~ 60
which fits the average distance of the Moon accepted today, 60 Earth radii.
From The Moon's Distance--1 (http://www.phy6.org/stargaze/Shipprc2.htm)
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Hipparchus (probably in 129 BC), whose calculations produced a result of 59-67 R. This method later found its way into the work of Ptolemy, who produced a result of 64 1/6 R at its farthest point.
Note that R is the raduis if the earth.
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An expedition by French astronomer A.C.D Crommelin observed meridional transits of the Moon (the moment when the Moon crosses an imaginary great circle that passes directly overhead and through the poles) on the same night from two different locations. Careful measurements from 1905 through 1910 measured the angle of elevation at the moment when a specific lunar crater (Mösting A) crossed the meridian, from stations at Greenwich and at Cape of Good Hope, which share nearly the same longitude. A distance was calculated with an uncertainty of ± 30 km, and remained the definitive lunar distance value for the next half century.
Quote
Astronomers O'Keefe and Anderson calculated the lunar distance by observing 4 occultations from 9 locations in 1952. They calculated a mean distance of 384407.6±4.7 km, however the value was refined by in 1962 by Irene Fischer, who incorporated updated geodetic data to produce a value of 384403.7±2 km.

Now, of course, we have radar and laser measurements to greater precision.
Hey Shillinoz, instead of defection how about answering the question. How can he play live with a band on earth if there is a communication delay? It doesn't matter if NASA is claiming 2 1/2 sec, 11 secs or whatever. Maybe they snuck the band aboard the ISS?
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: sokarul on May 03, 2017, 07:25:18 AM
Curious what the fakespace endorsers have as explainations this time around !

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Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Babushka on May 03, 2017, 07:42:03 AM
I personally see no reason to be questioning the moon landing, but if it was fake, NASA's reasons should be investigated. However, I see no reason why NASA should be pelted with accusations with no solid proof behind it.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: dutchy on May 03, 2017, 03:23:08 PM

Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?
I did, after letting others have their say.
If i would give my ''explaination'' from the start, people would critisise me for drawing conclusions without being thoughtfull.

So what is your take on the tight live performance between the cosmic guitar hero and the planet earthband in realtime ?
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Antirockballtheorist on May 03, 2017, 04:11:51 PM
The I for international was added when cooperation between countries commenced on the permanent space station, or PSS as it was known as.

Therefore the correct title is the Permanent International Space Station.
The PISS.

They are, of course, taking the piss with their stupid bullshit fake space antics.
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 06:54:04 PM
That was really clever.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: markjo on May 03, 2017, 07:14:03 PM
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Antirockballtheorist on May 03, 2017, 07:16:56 PM
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

The distinctive acrid tang.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: markjo on May 03, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

The distinctive acrid tang.
I'm sorry, I thought you had a point.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Antirockballtheorist on May 04, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

The distinctive acrid tang.
I'm sorry, I thought you had a point.

I did, I made it. Is there someone you can ask to explain it to you?
Who usually assists you in your day to day life?
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Gumby on May 04, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
Digital tv adds substantial delays. Image is coded and this takes time.
The transmission is always delayed due to error correction mechanisms. Add to all this the delay caused by the distance and this can be a lot.

If any of you has digital tv disconnect the feed cable and measure how much time it takes to freeze the image.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2017, 10:11:29 AM
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

The distinctive acrid tang.
I'm sorry, I thought you had a point.

I did, I made it. Is there someone you can ask to explain it to you?
Perhaps someone should have explained to you that the ammonia leaks were outside the station, hence the space walks to fix them.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: sokarul on May 04, 2017, 11:01:47 AM

Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?
I did, after letting others have their say.
If i would give my ''explaination'' from the start, people would critisise me for drawing conclusions without being thoughtfull.

So what is your take on the tight live performance between the cosmic guitar hero and the planet earthband in realtime ?
I didn't see anything that was impossible.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: dutchy on May 04, 2017, 02:25:30 PM

Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?
I did, after letting others have their say.
If i would give my ''explaination'' from the start, people would critisise me for drawing conclusions without being thoughtfull.

So what is your take on the tight live performance between the cosmic guitar hero and the planet earthband in realtime ?
I didn't see anything that was impossible.
Then either you haven't played an instrument yourself, or don't know the amount of pre recorded fakery or sampled parts that have entered the ''live'' performance scenes around the globe.
Just like CGI, live music has become a cleverly edited and musically ''photoshopped''  business that the majority thinks reflects a live performance instaed of
real muscians playing together in a genuine live setting with all risks involved.
All current semi live performances make use of some/many pre recorded/sampled details/parts, but even they won't go that far to fake a tight performance that should have been destroyed by any form of delay.
Watch most drummers with an in-ear, not just for monitoring the whole return feed of the rest of the band, but in many cases to provide the drummer with a clicktrack that is fixed so other pre recorded parts can be added in the exact time location the drummer also uses as guidence from the first beat to the last.
The moment any of the instrumentalists receives an incoming signal of the rest of the band with a delay more than 10-15 milliseconds it becomes extremely hard to perform, a further delay makes it almost impossible to keep the whole performance tight from the mixing console.

So what the hell is going on with the cosmic guitar hero and planet's earthband ?
They pretend to have a musical performance together in a live setting and was announced as such , not ?

I really hope i have convinced you that it is not possible, but adds to the long list of ISS fakery that, i have no idea why, people dismiss as whining about something that is obvious as real as it gets.
IT IS FAKE....DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ?
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: hoppy on May 04, 2017, 07:23:22 PM

Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?
I did, after letting others have their say.
If i would give my ''explaination'' from the start, people would critisise me for drawing conclusions without being thoughtfull.

So what is your take on the tight live performance between the cosmic guitar hero and the planet earthband in realtime ?
I didn't see anything that was impossible.
Then either you haven't played an instrument yourself, or don't know the amount of pre recorded fakery or sampled parts that have entered the ''live'' performance scenes around the globe.
Just like CGI, live music has become a cleverly edited and musically ''photoshopped''  business that the majority thinks reflects a live performance instaed of
real muscians playing together in a genuine live setting with all risks involved.
All current semi live performances make use of some/many pre recorded/sampled details/parts, but even they won't go that far to fake a tight performance that should have been destroyed by any form of delay.
Watch most drummers with an in-ear, not just for monitoring the whole return feed of the rest of the band, but in many cases to provide the drummer with a clicktrack that is fixed so other pre recorded parts can be added in the exact time location the drummer also uses as guidence from the first beat to the last.
The moment any of the instrumentalists receives an incoming signal of the rest of the band with a delay more than 10-15 milliseconds it becomes extremely hard to perform, a further delay makes it almost impossible to keep the whole performance tight from the mixing console.

So what the hell is going on with the cosmic guitar hero and planet's earthband ?
They pretend to have a musical performance together in a live setting and was announced as such , not ?

I really hope i have convinced you that it is not possible, but adds to the long list of ISS fakery that, i have no idea why, people dismiss as whining about something that is obvious as real as it gets.
IT IS FAKE....DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ?
You have to remember that you are dealing with brainwashed roundies. They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Rayzor on May 04, 2017, 08:13:12 PM
They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

I think you might not have meant to say it like that.   ROTFLMAO

Just say they believe NASA tells the truth.    No need for a double negative.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
You have to remember that you are dealing with brainwashed roundies. They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

But NASA did not tell me that the earth is a rotating Globe orbiting a very large distant sun.
I knew that well before NASA turn up.

So, try again little sheepie.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 08:38:46 PM
They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

I think you might not have meant to say it like that.   ROTFLMAO

Just say they believe NASA tells the truth.    No need for a double negative.

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double negative
nounGRAMMAR
a negative statement containing two negative elements (for example he didn't say nothing ).
a positive statement in which two negative elements are used to produce the positive force, usually for some particular rhetorical effect, for example there is not nothing to worry about!.

Try again spergahontas.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2017, 08:59:12 PM
They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

I think you might not have meant to say it like that.   ROTFLMAO

Just say they believe NASA tells the truth.    No need for a double negative.
Try again spergahontas.
Unless you happen to be speaking in Russian!
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Negation in Russian (http://russian.speak7.com/russian_interrogative_negation.htm)
Unlike English, Russian allows “double negative” expressions, for example you can say in Russian “I didn’t understand nothing” while in English you have to either say “I understood nothing” or “I didn’t understand anything”. The Russian negation rule indicates that if the verb in a phrase is negative, then all indefinite pronouns in that clause should be negative.

And who knows what a little sheepie like hoppy might speak.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 09:08:30 PM
His meaning was very clear.

I can say something "isn't unpleasant" instead of pleasant.

No crime against grammar.

Saying "it isn't not unpleasant", is a double negative.

Hoppy said.

"They cannot disbelieve something."

Which is fine.
Stop attacking flat earthers just because they're flat earthers.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: hoppy on May 04, 2017, 09:41:01 PM
You have to remember that you are dealing with brainwashed roundies. They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

But NASA did not tell me that the earth is a rotating Globe orbiting a very large distant sun.
I knew that well before NASA turn up.

So, try again little sheepie.
NASA says that now, so there is no way you that could form a different opinion. They tell you different times for space communications to work then show you videos with no delay in speaking and playing instruments. You believe all of their explanations, even though they are contraditory.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: rabinoz on May 04, 2017, 09:53:43 PM
You have to remember that you are dealing with brainwashed roundies. They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

But NASA did not tell me that the earth is a rotating Globe orbiting a very large distant sun.
I knew that well before NASA turn up.

So, try again little sheepie.
NASA says that now, so there is no way you that could form a different opinion. They tell you different times for space communications to work then show you videos with no delay in speaking and playing instruments. You believe all of their explanations, even though they are contraditory.
What has that to do with what I posted? Didn't your handlers instruct you properly?

NASA has nothing whatever to do with the question of whether the earth is flat or a Globe!

So in spending so much effort arrack in NASA you are wasting you time.
There was plenty of evidence of the Globe many centuries before NASA came along, but you waste all your time on NASA if you like.

And your pretend flat earth model explains almost nothing about the "real earth" - not shapes,  not distances, not the sun or moon's motions.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 09:55:23 PM
Nasa has a lot to do with the ISS however.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 04, 2017, 11:14:19 PM
Nasa has a lot to do with the ISS however.

As do many other space agencies, and the private companies that are subcontracted to supply it.

NASA is not the sole arbiter of all things space related. It is not even the most important one at the moment.

People who doubt its existence should go outside when it passes overhead, tell me what it is. Maybe you could even try and photograph it or speak to the people on board.

http://www.ariss.org/contact-the-iss.html

If they were that concerned they would put some effort in.


Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: sceptimatic on May 04, 2017, 11:23:43 PM
The I for international was added when cooperation between countries commenced on the permanent space station, or PSS as it was known as.

Therefore the correct title is the Permanent International Space Station.
The PISS.

They are, of course, taking the piss with their stupid bullshit fake space antics.
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Yes, the ammonia leaks. Taking the piss out of the space station.
These people love to play funny games.
They love to use all variations of sexual stuff and their favourite is getting in as many variations of cock words into their space bullshit.
They love to name people, Dick and even use people to take on silly names.
Sally Ride or Mark Shuttleworth, etc.

You kn ow...it is rather funny the way they do it but what isn't funny is the way they literally rip off the public and blatantly take them for mugs...using their naivety to play out ridiculous games and scenarios.

They must literally be pissing themselves laughing when they think up this crap.
They even show you around NASA and say things like..."this is where it all happens in the model room" which is full of frigging lego pieces...as if building a frigging lego effigy is somehow going to aid in so called space exploration.

Anyone with just a small amount of common sense and logic who is awake enough can see that all of this stuff is a complete joke.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 04, 2017, 11:27:29 PM
The I for international was added when cooperation between countries commenced on the permanent space station, or PSS as it was known as.

Therefore the correct title is the Permanent International Space Station.
The PISS.

They are, of course, taking the piss with their stupid bullshit fake space antics.
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Yes, the ammonia leaks. Taking the piss out of the space station.
These people love to play funny games.
They love to use all variations of sexual stuff and their favourite is getting in as many variations of cock words into their space bullshit.
They love to name people, Dick and even use people to take on silly names.
Sally Ride or Mark Shuttleworth, etc.

That's right, because Mark Shuttleworth never existed as a private citizen before he paid his way into space. Sally Ride? No record of her anywhere I suppose. Does this game also work in Russian? Japanese? Chinese? Come on, this is desperate stuff even for you.

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<usual guff snipped>

They even show you around NASA and say things like..."this is where it all happens in the model room" which is full of frigging lego pieces...as if building a frigging lego effigy is somehow going to aid in so called space exploration.

Proof?
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: sceptimatic on May 04, 2017, 11:40:25 PM
The I for international was added when cooperation between countries commenced on the permanent space station, or PSS as it was known as.

Therefore the correct title is the Permanent International Space Station.
The PISS.

They are, of course, taking the piss with their stupid bullshit fake space antics.
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Yes, the ammonia leaks. Taking the piss out of the space station.
These people love to play funny games.
They love to use all variations of sexual stuff and their favourite is getting in as many variations of cock words into their space bullshit.
They love to name people, Dick and even use people to take on silly names.
Sally Ride or Mark Shuttleworth, etc.

That's right, because Mark Shuttleworth never existed as a private citizen before he paid his way into space. Sally Ride? No record of her anywhere I suppose. Does this game also work in Russian? Japanese? Chinese? Come on, this is desperate stuff even for you.

Quote

<usual guff snipped>

They even show you around NASA and say things like..."this is where it all happens in the model room" which is full of frigging lego pieces...as if building a frigging lego effigy is somehow going to aid in so called space exploration.

Proof?
The proof is all there. I'm not here proving anything to people like you. I'm well aware that people like you could be told directly by all the NASA that they've been taking the piss and are not a real space agency and you would still believe they went into space.

People like you are not interested in seeing anything untoward with anything given to you as a official line. I get that. I actually get that people like you want to believe everything told by official sources.

I understand that anything I say to you will be dismissed and that's absolutely fine with me, because I'm not here to prove anything to people like you.
I'm here to talk to people that have their minds switched on or who are logical enough to see past the game playing, public duping shenanigans that constantly get played against us.


Accept that and it'll stop you asking for proof of everything...especially when you can't even provide physical proof of what you claim.
Don't bother answering back to this. Take it for what it is and deal with it.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 11:46:56 PM
Nasa has a lot to do with the ISS however.

As do many other space agencies, and the private companies that are subcontracted to supply it.

NASA is not the sole arbiter of all things space related. It is not even the most important one at the moment.

No doubt.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Lonegranger on May 05, 2017, 01:59:25 AM
The I for international was added when cooperation between countries commenced on the permanent space station, or PSS as it was known as.

Therefore the correct title is the Permanent International Space Station.
The PISS.

They are, of course, taking the piss with their stupid bullshit fake space antics.
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Yes, the ammonia leaks. Taking the piss out of the space station.
These people love to play funny games.
They love to use all variations of sexual stuff and their favourite is getting in as many variations of cock words into their space bullshit.
They love to name people, Dick and even use people to take on silly names.
Sally Ride or Mark Shuttleworth, etc.

That's right, because Mark Shuttleworth never existed as a private citizen before he paid his way into space. Sally Ride? No record of her anywhere I suppose. Does this game also work in Russian? Japanese? Chinese? Come on, this is desperate stuff even for you.

Quote

<usual guff snipped>

They even show you around NASA and say things like..."this is where it all happens in the model room" which is full of frigging lego pieces...as if building a frigging lego effigy is somehow going to aid in so called space exploration.

Proof?
The proof is all there. I'm not here proving anything to people like you. I'm well aware that people like you could be told directly by all the NASA that they've been taking the piss and are not a real space agency and you would still believe they went into space.

People like you are not interested in seeing anything untoward with anything given to you as a official line. I get that. I actually get that people like you want to believe everything told by official sources.

I understand that anything I say to you will be dismissed and that's absolutely fine with me, because I'm not here to prove anything to people like you.
I'm here to talk to people that have their minds switched on or who are logical enough to see past the game playing, public duping shenanigans that constantly get played against us.


Accept that and it'll stop you asking for proof of everything...especially when you can't even provide physical proof of what you claim.
Don't bother answering back to this. Take it for what it is and deal with it.

There is a giant chasm in what passes for logic in you mind. In addition you have an unhealthy fixation with NASA.

Your belief system tends to rest on three notions. The first is that 'authority' what ever that happens to be is duping the 'public' whatever that happens to be. You have never defined the boundaries of the two groups nor explained the nature of this continual stream of misinformation.

The other is your vilification of NASA which you use to justify many of your beliefs. The problem here NASA is only one of the many space agencies in the world, and our knowledge of the shape of the earth and what we know about space predates the founding of NASA.

The third is the way you equate 'having an open mind' to only those who adhere to your line of reasoning, which at best can only be described as irrational and far from open minded.

If you did have an open mind you would spend more time really interrogating them, that is your beliefs,  rather than appearing to swallow them hook line and sinker.

For example you would have to take each of the space agencies here on earth and examine them for any covert signs of operation or acts of producing misinformation or malpractice in general

You would also have to go back to your authority claim and state who these authorities were and how they manage to operate in every country on the planet.

Until then your claims have no validity whatsoever and therefore must be labled as false. I suggest it is you that has lost the ability to think rationally and to demonstrate open minded thought.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 05, 2017, 05:47:39 AM


I am a professional musician who played on live podia uncountable times and this time around i can detect the bullshit far better than you do ! ;D


Well my bullshit alarm went haywire just then.

A 'professional musician' who can't figure out that all Chris Hadfield has to do is play along to a feed sent to him?

The return signal is what he hears and what he plays combined and is what the audience back on the ground hears. A live band on Earth does not need to hear Hadfield playing his part or hear the return signal, they just need to keep their music in time and let him play his bit.

Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 05, 2017, 05:54:36 AM
The I for international was added when cooperation between countries commenced on the permanent space station, or PSS as it was known as.

Therefore the correct title is the Permanent International Space Station.
The PISS.

They are, of course, taking the piss with their stupid bullshit fake space antics.
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?
Yes, the ammonia leaks. Taking the piss out of the space station.
These people love to play funny games.
They love to use all variations of sexual stuff and their favourite is getting in as many variations of cock words into their space bullshit.
They love to name people, Dick and even use people to take on silly names.
Sally Ride or Mark Shuttleworth, etc.

That's right, because Mark Shuttleworth never existed as a private citizen before he paid his way into space. Sally Ride? No record of her anywhere I suppose. Does this game also work in Russian? Japanese? Chinese? Come on, this is desperate stuff even for you.

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<usual guff snipped>

They even show you around NASA and say things like..."this is where it all happens in the model room" which is full of frigging lego pieces...as if building a frigging lego effigy is somehow going to aid in so called space exploration.

Proof?
The proof is all there.

Nope, it isn't.

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I'm not here proving anything to people like you.

That's a handy coincidence.

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I'm well aware that people like you could be told directly by all the NASA that they've been taking the piss and are not a real space agency and you would still believe they went into space.

You know nothing of the sort. It's what you've decided 'people like me' think because we've had the temerity to disagree with you.

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People like you are not interested in seeing anything untoward with anything given to you as a official line. I get that. I actually get that people like you want to believe everything told by official sources.

I understand that anything I say to you will be dismissed and that's absolutely fine with me, because I'm not here to prove anything to people like you.

You aren't proving anything, so as a strategy that's working out just peachy.

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I'm here to talk to people that have their minds switched on or who are logical enough to see past the game playing, public duping shenanigans that constantly get played against us.

You're pretty much talking to yourself then.

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Accept that and it'll stop you asking for proof of everything...especially when you can't even provide physical proof of what you claim.

You have failed to provide one single iota of proof for anything you've claimed. I've provided plenty for things I have claimed. Even when you claimed to actually have it (which you didn't), it never arrived. If you are demanding physical proof of things then bring me back a piece of the dome.

If you make a baseless and utterly false claim you should have the balls to back it up - why should anyone accept it otherwise?

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Don't bother answering back to this. Take it for what it is and deal with it.

Remember that Rage Against The Machine chorus?

That.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: dutchy on May 05, 2017, 10:06:47 AM


I am a professional musician who played on live podia uncountable times and this time around i can detect the bullshit far better than you do ! ;D


Well my bullshit alarm went haywire just then.

A 'professional musician' who can't figure out that all Chris Hadfield has to do is play along to a feed sent to him?

The return signal is what he hears and what he plays combined and is what the audience back on the ground hears. A live band on Earth does not need to hear Hadfield playing his part or hear the return signal, they just need to keep their music in time and let him play his bit.
Wowwww, you just explained a finilized master production, not a live performance IF DELAY (earth-ISS-earth) played a part in all of this.
With delay your explaination is trashcan worthy.
Earth's band playing-delay-ISS receives incoming signal of band-Chris plays along with incoming audio-delay-combined effort is audible for the audience.
The video is cut and piaste so we won't see any delay (Chris changing chords on the wrong moment and moving his lips with delay)
So we do see some post production then ??
''Áre you guys ready to do this'' ?, ''Chris ready to go ''? (answer without delay....) ''yes Ed i'm ready'' !
Then the performance starts and they play guitar and drum parts at the same suggested moment (video proof)....Chris changes chords and moves his lips at the same visible moment as the rest on earth.
This is a supposed live performance and the audio and matching video doesn't suggest any delay whatsoever. Delay cannot play a part whatsoever without destroying the credibilty of this performance one way or the other.
Are you suggesting there is absolutely no delay during this combined performance ?

Or do we witiness a cleverly edited musical ''production'' in which all feeds are matched into a supposed live performance both visual and audible ?

Why do NASA supporters always have to clean up the mess NASA is leaving behind.......you are sure you are not getting payed ?
Because if the band at my wedding would have faked themselves through my wedding this way,i would have kicked them out before the first interval, because playing a record is for free and i don't need a bunch of actors pretending they perform live   ;D
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: sceptimatic on May 05, 2017, 10:21:14 AM
On solid fuel and wires.
 ;D
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: dutchy on May 05, 2017, 11:07:18 AM
On solid fuel and wires.
 ;D
:o :o ;D
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: Lonegranger on May 05, 2017, 11:32:18 AM
On solid fuel and wires.
 ;D
:o :o ;D

smoke and mirrors
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: markjo on May 05, 2017, 05:53:56 PM
On solid fuel and wires.
 ;D
:o :o ;D

smoke and mirrors
Science and technology.
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: jtlondon83 on May 20, 2017, 01:03:58 AM


I am a professional musician who played on live podia uncountable times and this time around i can detect the bullshit far better than you do ! ;D


Well my bullshit alarm went haywire just then.

A 'professional musician' who can't figure out that all Chris Hadfield has to do is play along to a feed sent to him?

The return signal is what he hears and what he plays combined and is what the audience back on the ground hears. A live band on Earth does not need to hear Hadfield playing his part or hear the return signal, they just need to keep their music in time and let him play his bit.
Wowwww, you just explained a finilized master production, not a live performance IF DELAY (earth-ISS-earth) played a part in all of this.
With delay your explaination is trashcan worthy.
Earth's band playing-delay-ISS receives incoming signal of band-Chris plays along with incoming audio-delay-combined effort is audible for the audience.
The video is cut and piaste so we won't see any delay (Chris changing chords on the wrong moment and moving his lips with delay)
So we do see some post production then ??
''Áre you guys ready to do this'' ?, ''Chris ready to go ''? (answer without delay....) ''yes Ed i'm ready'' !
Then the performance starts and they play guitar and drum parts at the same suggested moment (video proof)....Chris changes chords and moves his lips at the same visible moment as the rest on earth.
This is a supposed live performance and the audio and matching video doesn't suggest any delay whatsoever. Delay cannot play a part whatsoever without destroying the credibilty of this performance one way or the other.
Are you suggesting there is absolutely no delay during this combined performance ?

Or do we witiness a cleverly edited musical ''production'' in which all feeds are matched into a supposed live performance both visual and audible ?

Why do NASA supporters always have to clean up the mess NASA is leaving behind.......you are sure you are not getting payed ?
Because if the band at my wedding would have faked themselves through my wedding this way,i would have kicked them out before the first interval, because playing a record is for free and i don't need a bunch of actors pretending they perform live   ;D

Yep, good point, the evil geniuses at NASA who have brainwashed an entire planet (apart from you Truthseekers), presumably using a very robust grasp of technology and it's uses, decided they wanted to do a fake duet with Barenaked Ladies AND FORGOT THEY COULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE DELAY THEY'RE FAKING.

They will kick themselves when they realise they threw all that.. er, power is it?... or money?.. why are they doing it again?.. Anyway, they threw IT ALL AWAY, because of the Barenaked Ladies.

Grrrr.

Well done Dutchy.

That, or maybe they just accounted for the delay in some way - maybe he had a backing track or a metronome for a guide, rather than the band itself. And then they could sync up the footage after the fact. WHICH IS NOT A CRIME BY THE WAY.

EDIT: Oh look, you just have to google it..

"The song premiered Friday morning as a prerecorded video. Hadfield performed his part on the space station; Robertson did his in Toronto with a collegiate glee club and the other members of Barenaked Ladies. It was written as part of an annual event for Canadian music students. In May, students across Canada will play the song live with Hadfield in space."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/02/06/171312026/astronaut-and-rocker-pen-first-earth-space-duet
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 20, 2017, 02:01:48 AM
I think you just have to ask Dutchy to provide us with his calculations as to what the delay would actually be, given a speed of light transmission of 186000 miles per second and a even if the signal had to go half way round the world and back we're looking at just a fraction of that.

Of course if the Earth is flat and the ISS is just a few km above our heads tethered on a piece of string the delay will be non-existent.

Some food for thought..

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929255-700-musicians-jam-long-distance-on-superfast-networks/
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: jtlondon83 on May 20, 2017, 02:03:41 AM
Some food for thought..

I'm sure it won't be..
Title: Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
Post by: JackSchitt on May 20, 2017, 03:27:01 AM
Going back to the delay, have any of you actually watched the news, 9 times out of 10 if they are talking to a correspondent somewhere else over video there is a couple of seconds delay, because of that delay is BBC News a hoax. So with this delay it is perfectly plausible since it happens on earth and it is most likely increased due to the fact they are streaming 4k