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Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 12, 2005, 11:37:19 PM
I ask any of you to look out into the distance and tell me that you see a ball. When I look into the horison I see flat. It is all flat. Have you ever seen the evidence that the earth is a sphere or are you looking at the doctored evidence. How many of you have been to space to see the earth? When you look at the Earth you are looking at a picture or a video that has been doctored and changed. Why for thousands of years did people believe the earth was flat.  They have traveled on horses, we travel in cars and planes. When you are in a plane and look at the ground it looks flat. When you drive your car along a highyway in Saskatchewan you dont use your breaks. You arnt going in a curve, you are driving on a flat earth.  When I was a child I was told by my teachers that If I dig down in the ground I would eventually come to China. Would that not make China upside down? Wouldent the people be falling off the face of the Earth in China?  The list goes on and on.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Brylian on November 13, 2005, 04:53:57 AM
Are you 3 years old?

The people on the other side of the world dont fall off because........oh....I don't know....maybe GRAVITY! The fact that you even think like that means that you have been indoctrinated into a specific belief system and are unable to think for yourself. And yes, when I look to the horizon, do you know what I see? A plane coming over the horizon, a ship going into it, If the world was flat my friend all you would have to do is look around and you would see an infinate amount of planes mountains. But the earth curves. Have you ever entered a building higher than 400m high? Look out the edges of one of those mate, and look around, you CANNOT see to the ends of the earth with it, because of the spherical existance. Do you use flash? If you maximise a circle by a extreme amount, you will see that it is made of what APPEARS to be a line, but the further you go back, the more spherical it gets, the fact that the earth is So large means that we would NEVER feel like we are on a curved surface.

People for thousands of years believed the earth was ROUND! Greece and Romands both understood that the earth was round, why would they lie? They weren't even christian! It was only when RELIGION came in and said "no its a lie" than anything changed. Religion is a destructive and powerful thing.

So you believe that 10,000 people trained and educated (which is more than I can say for you my friend) all lied about the NASA landing? That the world has invested over 3 Trillion dollars on some giant hoax (that counts for every plane that uses sphereical maps, every satellite, communication dish, every space object of any kind, all maps and all ships and transport)? That every map, picture, and telescope photo (and SHIT there are alot) has been altered....every one.....perfectly photoshoped....even back in the 60s.... and not a single one has any error on it.... very believable.
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: khatores on November 13, 2005, 08:39:09 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I ask any of you to look out into the distance and tell me that you see a ball. When I look into the horison I see flat. It is all flat. Have you ever seen the evidence that the earth is a sphere or are you looking at the doctored evidence. How many of you have been to space to see the earth? When you look at the Earth you are looking at a picture or a video that has been doctored and changed.


I fly occasionally...when you get really high up you can indeed see the curvature of the horizon.  It's not dramatic, but it is there.  You can also see this to an extent if you go up on a mountain - if you look down on a more coastal area, you can take an object of reference (such as a mm tape) and measure the difference on the horizon.  You can also take binoculars or a telescope up on a mountain on a very clear day, and spot objects at differing distances - the farther away an object is, the more it is hidden by the curvature of the earth.  

Try this at the beach - it works the same way if you spot ships with highly visible rigging on a calm day.  You can literally watch aircraft carriers slip under the curvature.  They're not submerging themselves or hiding behind huge waves.
Title: Proof probably is not the correct word
Post by: bullhorn on November 13, 2005, 10:50:47 AM
I can understand what you are saying, I understand that you "believe" that the earth is a sphere. What I am telling you is that unless you have seen the earth from outer space that you can not know 100 precent.  Please try to understand the point of reason that I do.  The example of China, you may have mistook what I was trying to demonstrate.  If I were to dig from my home all the way to China as my school teacher has said, I agree due to gravity they would not fall off, but wouldent they be walking upside down, if for here where I am I am walkinig rightside up.  This is just one of many contradictions for you to concider.  Another interesting thing is If the earth were round wouldent the water on the planet be in constant motion. Think about this, why are the oceans all at the same level, the sea-level it is constant dont you think that If the worlds oceans were covering the ball wouldent it cause great disasters. The sea-levels are constant because the earth is flat.  And I to want to know how all the evidence has been doctored, I believe in a global coverup.
Title: Re: Proof probably is not the correct word
Post by: Goethe on November 13, 2005, 11:04:52 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I can understand what you are saying, I understand that you "believe" that the earth is a sphere. What I am telling you is that unless you have seen the earth from outer space that you can not know 100 precent.

Well if that's the case then your "proof" is merely a belief.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
If I were to dig from my home all the way to China as my school teacher has said, I agree due to gravity they would not fall off, but wouldent they be walking upside down, if for here where I am I am walkinig rightside up. This is just one of many contradictions for you to concider.

Once you'd past the centre of the Earth you'd seem to be digging upwards (due to the gravitational pull from the centre) so you'd come out the right way up.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
Think about this, why are the oceans all at the same level, the sea-level it is constant dont you think that If the worlds oceans were covering the ball wouldent it cause great disasters. The sea-levels are constant because the earth is flat.

Gravity holds the water against the surface.
Title: again you have been deceved
Post by: bullhorn on November 13, 2005, 11:42:41 AM
I could say that you have been decieved some body or thing, again you say the earth is round and you try to prove it to me. All your so called evidence is nothing more than deceptions taught in an academic institution.   Again when I look at the earth it is flat. And that is because it is.  And again no one has ever crossed the 150 feet high wall of ice.  Again all modern science as it relates to the issue of the earth is for one puropse only to decieve man about the true nature of his world
Title: Re: Proof probably is not the correct word
Post by: khatores on November 13, 2005, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
If I were to dig from my home all the way to China as my school teacher has said, I agree due to gravity they would not fall off, but wouldent they be walking upside down, if for here where I am I am walkinig rightside up.  This is just one of many contradictions for you to concider.

No.  The only way one "knows" one is walking "upside down" is from the perception generated by gravity.  You know you're upside down when the blood rushes to your head and the cochlea in your ears let you know.  If you're on a ball and gravity comes from the center of the ball, well then you have no point of reference - it seems that you are always "right side up".  Being "upside down" really only means that you are upside down in relation to the center of the earth.

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Another interesting thing is If the earth were round wouldent the water on the planet be in constant motion. Think about this, why are the oceans all at the same level, the sea-level it is constant dont you think that If the worlds oceans were covering the ball wouldent it cause great disasters.

There's no reason why water on a spherical body would be disruptive, so long as gravitational pull in all areas is evenly distributed.

Here's a notable problem with flat earth theory...let's say you had a flat earth, situated on a high plateau.  Beneath the flat earth is a very deep portion of soil, then rock, then minerals, etc.  Even flat earthers will not dispute that oil is not an illusion.  All of this mass below us is what causes gravity to be so effective.

If the North Pole is in the middle, then around New England and Europe, gravity would be strongest, as the path would be most direct, and there would be surrounding mass out to the rim as well...so you'd have plenty of mass to hold you down.  

As you move to the outer edges...like Uruguay, or South Africa...you have a lot of mass to the north, but much less to the south as you approach the giant ice wall, causing a gravitational imbalance.  If you turned and walked east, you'd feel a definite pull to the left, and vice-versa if you walked west.  Certainly this would be testable by scientific instruments as well.  You could put water in a shallow, flat plate and it would get pulled to one side.  Aircraft would crash and boats would capsize (which they typically don't in that area of the world).  This would no doubt cause weather problems as well, as water on the edge would be far less dense (and more likely to vaporize) than water nearer the center.

BTW...on a flat earth...why is the center and the outer rim covered in ice, and a ring in the middle is hot?  How does that work?  I think the earth's climate is one of the best indicators of its spherical shape.
Title: And this comes from an academic institution
Post by: bullhorn on November 13, 2005, 12:01:01 PM
Again, I will ask why there is a 150 foot high wall of ice?
Title: Re: And this comes from an academic institution
Post by: khatores on November 13, 2005, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Again, I will ask why there is a 150 foot high wall of ice?


I don't know...shouldn't I be asking you that?  :?
Title: I myself have never seen it
Post by: bullhorn on November 13, 2005, 12:12:45 PM
I myself have never seen it, I have heard through my colleges that since its discovery it has been protected by a security organisation, its name is not known to me and its not important. What is important is it does exist.  I will point to the official seal of the United Nations which lays out the true map of the world  www.un.int
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: khatores on November 13, 2005, 12:18:14 PM
Have you ever been to South Africa or Patagonia?  If so, did you notice feeling at all lighter?  :?
Title: Re: And this comes from an academic institution
Post by: Nrg on November 13, 2005, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Again, I will ask why there is a 150 foot high wall of ice?
You are talking about the south pole. The south pole exists because of the third movement of the Earth. A tilt movement, if you will. Many interstellar bodies have this kind of movement, and its perfectly normal. Let me explain to you how it works:

The earth sometimes "titlt" so that people above the arctic circle don't see the sun for months (believe me, I've been above the arctic circle). And then, it "tilts back", but this time its the south pole wich doesn't recieve any sun. The poles then freeze, due to the lack of sunshine, and our poles are formed.
Title: Re: Proof probably is not the correct word
Post by: Nrg on November 13, 2005, 11:20:36 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I can understand what you are saying, I understand that you "believe" that the earth is a sphere. What I am telling you is that unless you have seen the earth from outer space that you can not know 100 precent.
Hav you been into space and seen this "flat earth"? You cannot possibly be 100% sure of its flatness unless you see it youself.

Therefore, we have to weigh evidence. The propability of your "evidence" is equal to a fantasy novell. Are you telling us that the russians and yanks could alter movies and pictures that good in the 60s? Dude, I use Photoshop every damn day in my multimedia class. It's hard enough to do a picture like that without any errors at all with Photoshop, and I cannot even imagine the badass work you would have to do in the 60s.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Mark the Illuminatus on November 14, 2005, 03:30:37 AM
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I myself have never seen it, I have heard through my colleges that since its discovery it has been protected by a security organisation, its name is not known to me and its not important. What is important is it does exist. I will point to the official seal of the United Nations which lays out the true map of the world www.un.int


... I just don't even understand why you'd dispute years and years of scientific fact, and then say "I have heard". Have you ever bothered to, say, read at all? Does all your "proof" come from the grapevine? And did Captain James Cook know about this security organisation when he sailed AROUND the world? Come now, at least think before you type next time.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 14, 2005, 12:58:26 PM
I understand that all your knowledge comes from an acidemic institution and I know that the facts from the institution are jaded and wrong.  The primary goal of the institutions is to further the goal of a round earth. I am telling you to look out into the distance and you will see a flat earth, for millions of years this has een the way it has been.  There is no doubt that all your knowlege comes from there.  And I hope you stop drinking the Acedemic Ale and look at the real world my friend.
Title: Why?
Post by: pspunit on November 14, 2005, 02:49:19 PM
Why? Why!? WHY?!? Why would there be a massive government coverup. What can the governments of the world gain from everyone else believing in a spherical earth? Please just answer my questions. Don't ask me questions until you answer mine. Don't ask what proof I have to believe that the Earth is flat, because enough people at this forum have answered that question better than I could. Don't avoid this question. Please.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: khatores on November 14, 2005, 04:13:53 PM
Quote from: "pspunit"
Why? Why!? WHY?!? Why would there be a massive government coverup. What can the governments of the world gain from everyone else believing in a spherical earth? Please just answer my questions. Don't ask me questions until you answer mine. Don't ask what proof I have to believe that the Earth is flat, because enough people at this forum have answered that question better than I could. Don't avoid this question. Please.


I've been wondering that myself.  I guess it's because the government wants us to think they still have at least one ball left.   :lol:

(stupid joke)
Title: ok I will answer
Post by: bullhorn on November 14, 2005, 05:09:32 PM
I will try to answer your questions. You asked me why there would be a government coverup. My answer to you would be I dont know why. One could assume It has to do with the Bible. In the past man did not have all the achievements that he does today. Computers, airplanes, ext... The government and the security orgaisation knows that if we through technology, find out the truth, this would disturb many peoples so they have come up with the so called round earth.  Through Academic institution, NASA Computers, they can doctor evidence and call this the truth when we all know if you look into the distance the earth looks flat.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Brylian on November 14, 2005, 07:59:02 PM
They can't "Doctor" anything mate. Every piece of their machinery, every piece of evidence WORKS! Have you ever styudy physics? You gain an understand of how everything works, Not only is the key thing that the earth is indeed round, but we have a round magnetic field (you simply CANNOT deny that, as the magnetic field is without a doubt there) we learn the proof that the earth is round, instead of being spoon fed it (like most religions: YOU MUST BELIEVE THIS WITHOUT PROOF!)

Do you know it would cost over 3 Trillion dollars to make it look like the earth was round if it WAS flat. 3 TRILLION (to get an idea of how much that is, count the worth of Asia, Africa and South America and USA and you are ALMOST there)! Every man on NASA would be paid, and very well, Every satellite company, every company WITH a satellite, Every road map, map, Plane's, the entire education system WORLDWIDE (including every other country that isn't christain), Every single picture, everysingle major company in the world, every mathematical theory, and every Physicisian on the planet. INCLUDING every single government. And yet you fail to point out why? Jez man, which would u believe?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Lifewing on November 14, 2005, 09:27:20 PM
Have you ever been to the ocean? Look out, you can see the curve of the earth. Its quite cleary visible.

Do you realize that from your point of reference, the earth would appear flat because the radius is so large? But just because it appears so, doesnt make it so. Cleary evident from other points of reference i.e space.


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...  when we all know if you look into the distance the earth looks flat.


Do you know basic math?

Graph this line
-0.00113636(36 repeating) rise over a  63360 run

It appears perfectly flat don't it?
Actually its an approximate to the curvature of the earth seen through the perspective of our eyes when you look into the horizon of the ocean.



Why can't i see Wisconsin when i go to the coast of lake michigan?
Because i can only see 12 miles out approximately due to the curvature of the earth and its 90 miles away (from where I'm at in michigan anyway).
If it was flat, i could definately see it. If you believe the world is flat, than explain why i cant see it please.

Don't bring up the, not being able to see through that much atomosphere card either. Becuase that don't make any sense. As i can, see stars just above the horizon. Which would mean, that light from that star would pass through way more atomosphere, than light from wisonsin.
And,  IF the world was flat, then light from a star on the horizon would actually have to pass through tredmendoulsy MORE atomosphere than in the sperical model when you think about it.

If the world is flat, then so has to be the sun, the moon, pluto, everything else right?

Draw a good looking circle on piece of paper, and set it on your kitchen table and look straight down at it. The circle looks like a circle. Now, walk ten feet away and look at it, and it will no longer appear to be a circle to you but an elipse.

If the sun to was flat disc aswell, and it appears to be a circle in the sky to me, then by default, it would HAVE to appear to be an elipse to someone far away from me. Right?
Now, look at the outline of a sphere from near and far away. The outline still looks like a circle. Unless you are on the sphere and infintely small compared to the spere. I.E you on the earth.

Explain, how the day/night cycle works in a flat world model please.
You can't because its an impossible model to duplicate considering, it appears to rise (sun up) and fall (sun down) at different times at each point on the globe. And it appears to be a circle throught the whole day.

How can there be day on one side of the globe, and night on the other?

Explain please the lunar and solar eclipses.

We could only observe a curved shadow on the moon if the world was a disc and was pointing towards the moon. Since the world is flat. The whole world would be in nighttime (ie tilted towards the moon, and away from the sun). And we would all observe lunar eclipse at the same time and it would end at the same time.

If we are in a airplane at 10 thousand feet and are looking down to the horizon explain why we arent seeing the whole globe? If its because of atomsphere or whatever and land continues on well past the horizon, we just cant see it. Explain why we can see the sun rise through this horizon? Wasnt it suppose to be ground there that we couldnt see?
Is the sun rising through ground? What if in YOUR point of view, i am on the horizon where the sun is rising. Did the sun just rise right through me? But to me, the sun has already risen.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Prof. Thomas Harper Adams on November 15, 2005, 05:48:39 AM
Hello,
        My name is Tomas Harper Adams, Prof, Phd. I have worked for NASA for nearly 30 years now, I am currently the captain of the Starship Enterprise. In this role I have spend many of my years in space travlleing through galaxys for lightyears. Obviously I have seen the earth many many times from outer space, and I can assure you that it is not flat, and is spherical. I have just recently returned from the nubular region of the universe, and upon reading much about the "flat earth society", I have decided to organise a trip just for you morons, I will be taking up 50 passengers, so I can prove to you idiots that the earth is most definately round. I have planned for my ship to take you passengers on the 5/06/2006. We at NASA will be holding a meeting for all willing participants at our headquarters in Washington D.C. Would anyone be interested? please phone (301) 286-8981, and quote "flat earth society, space mission 2006".

                       Yours faithfully Prof. Thomas Harper Adams.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: MmMmmBrains on November 15, 2005, 08:48:30 AM
I believe Bullhorn.
While his arguments hold absolutley zero ground, I love a good conspiracy theory and will defend it until the day I die.
As far as I'm concerned, the government will lie just to save face.. we just happen to be saving face from hundreds of years ago. Those irate scientists, with their schooling, their PhDs.. who are they to tell me what I see? You people act as if the government has never lied to you. We're at war right now because of a lie! There were no WMD's in Saddam's possesion, yet we're over there and getting killed. Now what? We're restoring democracy? I think not! Hell, we're still sketchy about admitting we lost Vietnam, and that was over 40 years ago.
Title: Thank you sir, here is some more
Post by: bullhorn on November 15, 2005, 10:48:19 AM
Thank you for your support, although my arguments dont seem to have the backing of most of the room, I can understand it. All their information comes from textbooks and lectures, those come from academic institutions.  Someone here said it would cost 3 trillion dollers to push the round earth theroy, and that everyone is invloved. I will tell you that only a select few people are involved the coverup.  The select few would be NASA (the astronauts) [Government Run] and governmet run manufacturing companies that produce the doctered products and products to doctor evidence, and whomever else is deemed nessisary  The educators are caught in a web of deceit, that has continued over time. They are teaching a lie and do not know it. The Government and security organisation have done such a good job at doing this that the lie is now self taught.  You dont need 3 trillion dollers when people pay for the lie to be taught.  I can understand your point of view.  You try to explane it with your knowlege but in all reality you have never seen the evidence of a round earth.  And the government does lie. Abu Grabe, war in iraq, watergate. These are all things that the government has tried to get away with but have been caught. It takes people like me to do the work for the many. I know the truth and so do you.  Deep down you want to believe me but you have been held back by your deceved logic.  Academia can only take you so far. Sometimes you have to trust you gut.
www.un.int
Title: Re: Thank you sir, here is some more
Post by: Lifewing on November 15, 2005, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Thank you for your support, although my arguments dont seem to have the backing of most of the room, I can understand it. All their information comes from textbooks and lectures, those come from academic institutions.


What arguments do you have? All you say is the government has doctored evidence. You cant even give any sane motive for doing so. Give some evidence of flat earth (like a working model). Please explain, in your model how day/night cycle, and gravity works. You could imagine how one would work, but it would break the others logic.

All the examples I gave that point to a sphere earth can be observed by anyone with no high tech gadgets whatsoever.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
Someone here said it would cost 3 trillion dollers to push the round earth theroy, and that everyone is invloved. I will tell you that only a select few people are involved the coverup.  The select few would be NASA (the astronauts) [Government Run] and governmet run manufacturing companies that produce the doctered products and products to doctor evidence, and whomever else is deemed nessisary


This is just nonsense. You can't even think of any good motive for doing this. And it would be completly impossible anyway.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
The educators are caught in a web of deceit, that has continued over time. They are teaching a lie and do not know it. The Government and security organisation have done such a good job at doing this that the lie is now self taught.  You dont need 3 trillion dollers when people pay for the lie to be taught.  I can understand your point of view.  You try to explane it with your knowlege but in all reality you have never seen the evidence of a round earth.


See any of my points in my post for evidence. Please explain them instead of just throwing out the government cover up card.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
And the government does lie. Abu Grabe, war in iraq, watergate. These are all things that the government has tried to get away with but have been caught. It takes people like me to do the work for the many. I know the truth and so do you.  Deep down you want to believe me but you have been held back by your deceved logic.  Academia can only take you so far. Sometimes you have to trust you gut.
www.un.int


Unrelated nonsense.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: MmMmmBrains on November 15, 2005, 02:17:32 PM
You're kind of slow, aren't you lifewing?
Is it that hard to see when someone is trolling you?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: khatores on November 15, 2005, 03:48:09 PM
Here's a question for bullhorn...

What kind of crazy sun does not shine much on the middle of the flat earth (the north pole) but does hit the middle part pretty strongly (the tropics) and then completely skips the outer area?  Does this sun have a hole in it?  :?  Also, what causes seasons?  If nothing else, the climate distribution itself should be plenty of sphere evidence.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 15, 2005, 03:58:47 PM
Any argument you can come up with regarding a round earth can be countered and I will do it.  There is scientific evidence backing up the fact that the earth is flat.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: khatores on November 15, 2005, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Any argument you can come up with regarding a round earth can be countered and I will do it.  There is scientific evidence backing up the fact that the earth is flat.


Hey, at least you're determined.  :)
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Scorpion on November 15, 2005, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Any argument you can come up with regarding a round earth can be countered and I will do it.


Go right ahead....

Quote from: "bullhorn"
There is scientific evidence backing up the fact that the earth is flat.


Where?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 15, 2005, 07:45:00 PM
Here is why the earth is flat.  Lets assume the earth is round as you like to believe.  The funny thing is is that the ocean is calm and the seas are calm. If for instance there was a curve as you claim, and that you can see the curve when you are in an airplane. Wouldn't water run over the curve similar to a waterfall and keep moving causing great disasters and water splashing everywhere. If we assume that the earth contains the water in a bowl and that ice walls 150 feet high contain it then it would explane how the sea levels are constant and level.  It is a known that the North Pole is the center and the south (antarctica) is the edge. 150 foot high wall of ice that no one has ever crossed.  Why isnt antarctica populated like the rest of the world?  Why is the only perminate settlement settlement government run and why is their a military base down there.  Why was the Antarctic Treaty developed, it prohibates and military testing or action there. One could only assume this would be as not to disrupt the ice wall. The fact that no one has come back from the edge is a mystery to me.
Title: NASA Releases Flat Earth Image
Post by: Dr_Bill on November 15, 2005, 08:19:44 PM
NASA Releases Flat Earth Image
In a press release along with the stunning image of the new Flat Earth,
 " .... we at NASA made a mistake about the round earth.  
Oh well, .... opps ... our lense was dirty and out of focus.  Sorry."


.......... (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-9/1081322/Flat_Earth_28.jpg)
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Lifewing on November 15, 2005, 08:36:26 PM
Because water is not being pulled to sides but straight down? This is why you have higher presure at the bottom.
Okay, its being pulled to the sides to, but its equal on all sides so it negates it (exception following). The only thing not negated is straight towards the center of gravity.

And water does slosh around due to gravity, its called tides. When being pulled to a side is not so equal to the other side.

Do you know how much freaking pressure there would be on that ICE wall of yours if that was only thing keeping water on earth?
I cant even fathom it.

Take the mass of the ocean water times by gravity constant and divide it by the area of your ICE wall which is abismally small compared to the ocean mass. It would be bull dozed off the earth so freaking fast its not funny.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 15, 2005, 09:55:52 PM
You do understand when water is put under awsome pressure it solidifies and then creates a solid that is called Ice. The reason It can take the pressure is simmilar to the sea floor. It does not break under pressure.  This is one of the reasons the Ice is able to stay constant.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Lifewing on November 16, 2005, 12:23:52 AM
Presure doesnt create ice.
Ice forms when the temprature decreases and the two hydrogen atoms move and approach symetry. The freezing point is just the threshold at which this happens. Ice is actually less dense than water.

Furthermore, water underpressure actually prevents this. Its a lot colder at the bottom of the ocean than the freezing point of water, but there is no ice down there.

Good job in saying like the exact opposite of what is true. :?

Desity:
water 1.000  x 10^3 (kg/m^3)
Ice     0.917 x 10^3 (kg/m^3)

If your way is true, ice would form bottom up, which it don't. Ice forms on the top and works its way downward.

Now, quit side tracking and explain your model.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 16, 2005, 06:17:19 AM
Ice is the solid form of water. The phase transition occurs when liquid water is cooled below 0 įC (273 K, 32 įF) at standard atmospheric pressure. Ice can be formed at higher temperatures in pressurized environments, and water will remain a liquid or gas until -30 įC at lower pressures. Ice formed at high pressure has a different crystal structure and density than ordinary ice.
Ice, water and water vapour can coexist at the triple point, which for this system is 273.16 K at a pressure of 611.73 Pa.

An unusual feature of ice frozen at a pressure of one atmosphere is that the solid is less dense than liquid water (10 % less). Ice has a density of 0.917 g/cm3 at 0 įC, whereas water has a density of 0.9998 g/cm3 at the same temperature. Liquid water is most dense, essentially 1.00 g/cm3 , at 4 įC and becomes less dense as the water molecules begin to form the hexagonal crystals of ice as the temperature drops to 0 įC. (In fact, the word "crystal" derives from the Greek word for frost.) This is due to hydrogen bonds forming between the water molecules, which line up molecules less efficiently (in terms of volume) when water is frozen. The result of this is that ice floats on liquid water, an important factor in Earth's climate.

As a crystalline solid, ice is considered a mineral.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 16, 2005, 06:18:11 AM
Ice can be created under pressure
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: MmMmmBrains on November 16, 2005, 08:08:10 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Ice can be created under pressure


Very true.
It ties in with one theory as to how the dinosaurs died. There were lots of ice caverns with moving water running through them, and the pressure was so great inside the cavern, the moving water would actually freeze to the sides of the walls, making the ice caverns more dense. Well, it goes like this for a few million years, but eventually the ice forms a crack due to all the energy (heat) the moving water was causing with it's friction. Then with the crack, bam, not as much pressure with the water being able to move more freely through the cracks. So the ice began to melt at a much greater rate, blah blah blah, ice breaks, tons and tons of water flows through land, killing dinosaurs.
The dinosaur stuff is a theory, but everything else is scientific fact. You learn it in basic highschool chemistry, so please stop embarassing yourself. Ice can be created under pressure.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: youpeoplearefuckingnuts on November 16, 2005, 10:44:47 PM
I have never, I repeat NEVER in all my years heard anything so duplicitly ludicris and hilarious at the same time. I would hazard a guess that none of you know diddly shit about mathematics or physics. If you did you would not even entertain the ridiculous notion that the world could be flat. So because you do not SEE the curvature of the Earth you think it is flat....that is because the Earth is TEN FUCKING THOUSAND MILES IN DIAMETER. That means the graduation of curvature is too slight to see. Take a basketball and look at it, you can tell it is a sphere, if you were the size of a grain of sand on that basketball it would be much harder to tell it were curved. Lets totally forget physics too of course, lets forget that gravity pulls things toward a common center. Oh wat, most of you probably have never even heard of physics. I will try to talk in small words so you can understand. Oh I would also guess that none of you have ever SEEN a telescope before, of course you would never have looked at the Moon then. That would mean you would not have seen with your OWN EYES that the Moon is a spherical body in space. You would not then surmise that the Earth is ALSO a spherical body. How about the SUN!!!!!! DO YOU THINK THE SUN IS FLAT TOO? Wow mommy, look at that bright sun, boy it sure does look like a circle to me. I wonder if that means it is ROUND!!!!!! holy SHIT Batman, the kid is onto something!

Do I sound condescending, yep you betcha, uneducated people are the bane of humanity. Unfortunately it is illegal to shoot them for being stupid, such a shame. Though, the would would have no population problem if it were legal. I would bet at least half this forum's members are inbred with barely a kindergarten reading level. Why don't you pick up a book and GROW A BRAIN.

Oh one more thing, if you want to send me all kinds of nasty messages beacuse I offended you for being an idiot and want to tell me all about how the Earth is flat.

They will only further convince me you are an idiot  :D
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: jeravicious on November 16, 2005, 11:10:58 PM
Lol.....

My friend...nobody here believes in this Flat Earth Theory...they are merely making posts about it in order to wind you up.

And they've succeeded...I give them credit for that.  Some pimple-faced kid is sitting in his underwear in his parent's basement too afraid to talk to a girl or even socialize in the "real" world...so he goes online and decides "I'll be cool and wind some people up by claiming I believe in the ludicrous and insane!!!"

No rational person in the 21st Century really believes in this nonsense.

btw, this will be my First and Only reply on this site...please, pimply-face kids...don't respond back...I wouldn't read it anyway.   If you do, you will only prove my point.  Get off the Internet...you're a waste of bandwidth.  There REALLY are girls out there....grow some balls and go learn how to socialize with real people.

Later...I'm off to bang my wife.

 :lol:
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: youpeoplearefuckingnuts on November 17, 2005, 12:05:09 AM
While I agree with at least half of what the guy above me said, the other half sounded like excerpts from movies so....

I still think this is the funniest site ever!
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Brylian on November 17, 2005, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: "youpeoplearefuckingnuts"

I still think this is the funniest site ever!


PROVE IT!
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 17, 2005, 12:49:05 AM
Well, I do infact believe the earth is flat. My background is that of Biology I would like to say that I do understand your argument that you believe the Earth is round.  You have absolutely no way to know 100 precent becuse you have not seen it. You have only seen pictures and video, which clearly have been doctored. Go outside on a clear day and look into the distance and you will see a flat earth, why you ask? becuase it is so. You have been conditioned since you were born to believe the Earth is round and been taught the self perpetuating lie since you were a child. Why, I dont know. For many many thousand years the earth was thought to be flat and as soon as modern technology comes into play the earth is suddenly round. Very convenient.  Please try to understand the argument for a flat earth. I know you think we are all stupid, but Im the one who needs to see with my own eyes to believe.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Squato on November 17, 2005, 01:23:17 AM
Hey, you can see where they are watching you from.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 17, 2005, 12:27:38 PM
I dont understand
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Squato on November 17, 2005, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I dont understand


Right there.

*Points
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 17, 2005, 09:43:35 PM
Im not sure what your point is. The fact that I believe the earth is flat or your nonsense remarks
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Brylian on November 17, 2005, 11:56:13 PM
Open paint, now make a circle, magnify it by 1600%, appears flat doesn't it? You are only looking at the image increased by 100x, Imagine the image increased by 4,000,000x, which is about the comparison of the earth to a normal zoom of the earth. Does that makes sense to you as to why the earth appears flat?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Goethe on November 18, 2005, 03:42:13 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Well, I do infact believe the earth is flat.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
I know you think we are all stupid, but Im the one who needs to see with my own eyes to believe.

Have you seen this flat Earth then? And don't repeat that argument that "it looks flat" because as others have said a round Earth would look flat to an observer on the surface.

Here is something from an old post I made:

If the Earth was flat and in the form of the UN map then seismic waves would have to travel something like this:
(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5046/jp8ji.jpg)
in order to be consistent with reality (i.e. seismologists measurements of the time taken for a seismic wave to reach certain points on the Earth's surface).

You can't say "that's because seismologists are part of the conspiracy" because everyday people experience the effects of these earthquakes. If for whatever reason seismic waves did defy the laws of physics and travel like in the above image then waves on a smaller scale would have to also, and that is definitely not the case. Waves in any medium have been shown to radiate in a circular fashion no matter where the experiments take place. This is consistent with a round Earth.

The flat Earthers stopped posting after I made that point.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 18, 2005, 09:18:54 AM
I would have to say that I am not able to make out your fuzzy diagram.  It is very simple how this works. If your throw a rock into a puddle or pool which is flat you will notice that the shockwaves travel in a fasion that can be altered by objects in its path. Simmilar to that of a flat earth.  Like I said before if the Earth was a sphere then water would run in a continuing motion if there was an earthquake. Think of it this way what happens if you pour water on a beach ball. The water goes off the sides becuase it is a slant and it moves off the slant fast. If the earth really was round at the first earthquake the planet would be a disaster.   Just another thing for you to think about. And how would you explane that
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: KillerSquirrelsWithRifles on November 18, 2005, 05:18:16 PM
Hey khatores is that a picture of u?If so,ur HOT!
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Goethe on November 18, 2005, 07:48:13 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I would have to say that I am not able to make out your fuzzy diagram.
I'll explain some more. Since the UN map model of the Earth distorts the continents of the round Earth it would also have to distort the shape of seismic waves in order to reconcile with reality. The seismic waves would travel something like on the above diagram. Since waves radiate outwards maintaining their general shape, waves on a smaller scale (e.g. ripples in a pond) that are located closer to the "ice wall" would also be noticeably distorted in the same manner. In reality, this is not the case.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
It is very simple how this works. If your throw a rock into a puddle or pool which is flat you will notice that the shockwaves travel in a fasion that can be altered by objects in its path. Simmilar to that of a flat earth.  Like I said before if the Earth was a sphere then water would run in a continuing motion if there was an earthquake. Think of it this way what happens if you pour water on a beach ball. The water goes off the sides becuase it is a slant and it moves off the slant fast. If the earth really was round at the first earthquake the planet would be a disaster.   Just another thing for you to think about. And how would you explane that


Simple.
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8343/bballvsearth0hj.png)

The black lines represent the direction gravity is acting in. In the case of the beach ball, the water runs down (towards the Earth) and off the beach ball due to gravity acting downwards. The Earth doesn't have this problem because gravity acts from all sides. There is no external force pulling down on the Earth (unlike the beach ball).
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 18, 2005, 10:30:50 PM
I can understand your reasons for thinking your diagram is accurate but in all reallity it is not.  We as of yet dont fully understand the way gravity works. It is not fully understood. So you have made alot of assumptions when you drew those diagrams. I will explane to you how I believe gravity works.  On the flat earth, the earth is flying upwards, and so that is why gravity exists. As the earth goes upwards we are being forced to the ground simmilar to if you jump in an elevator.  Your diagram assumes the earth is round and is not being affected by many things. For example. According to the theory of a round earth. The bigger an object is the more the force of gravity acts on it. I would like to say that that theroy canot be true for the very reason as we have many new objects on the planet. Ice from comets and rock from meteorites. If the bigger an object is the more gravity effects it wouldn't it be fare to say that gravity should be increasing. If the planet is getting larger due to forign bodies from space landing on it, wouldn't this in turn increase the force of gravity. How are we still able to walk around and move. It seems to me that it should be harder to move every day due to this.  It seems that athletes are able to run faster and jump higher. This doesent make sense under your theory.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Goethe on November 19, 2005, 12:46:12 AM
:shock: Wow, no offense if you actually are being serious but you just get less believable as time goes on (but if you are serious you'll probably ignore my statement because you believe I have been brainwashed into believing the scientists' dogma of the round Earth). But I don't mind wasting time on this debate whether you're serious or not since I view this as a sort of intellectual hobby. But anyway......

Quote from: "bullhorn"
I can understand your reasons for thinking your diagram is accurate but in all reallity it is not. We as of yet dont fully understand the way gravity works. It is not fully understood. So you have made alot of assumptions when you drew those diagrams.

We don't understand what exactly causes gravity but we do understand how it acts on different objects therefore I made no assumptions of this kind.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
Your diagram assumes the earth is round and is not being affected by many things. For example. According to the theory of a round earth. The bigger an object is the more the force of gravity acts on it. I would like to say that that theroy canot be true for the very reason as we have many new objects on the planet. Ice from comets and rock from meteorites. If the bigger an object is the more gravity effects it wouldn't it be fare to say that gravity should be increasing. If the planet is getting larger due to forign bodies from space landing on it, wouldn't this in turn increase the force of gravity. How are we still able to walk around and move. It seems to me that it should be harder to move every day due to this. It seems that athletes are able to run faster and jump higher. This doesent make sense under your theory.

Newton's law of universal gravitation states that:
F = -(G x m1 x m2)/r^2

where:
F is the magnitude of the (repulsive) gravitational force between two objects
G is the gravitational constant, approx: G = 6.67◊10−11 N m2 kg-2
m1 is the mass of first object
m2 is the mass of second object
r is the distance between the objects

and as a consequence of that law:
g = -(G x m1)/r^2
where g is the acceleration due to gravity

So to find the acceleration due to gravity you simply subsitute:
m1 = mass of earth = 5.9736◊10^24 kg
r = radius of the Earth = 6,378,135 km

So:
g = -6.67◊10−11 ◊ (5.9736◊10^24)/6378135^2
g = -9.794326054 m/s^2
This is the actual value of the acceleration due to gravity.

Now, lets say that each year about 10,000,000,000,000 kilograms (10^13 kg) worth of metorites fall to the Earth each year (that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than the largest estimate that I can find). So over 50 years 5x10^14 kg would have accumulated. The equation becomes:

g = -6.67◊10−11 ◊ (5.9736◊10^24+5x10^14)/6378135^2
g = -9.794326055 m/s^2

That's an increase in the acceleration due to gravity of only about 0.000000001 m/s^2!!
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 19, 2005, 07:44:58 PM
I enjoy the challange of a good argument as well.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Squato on November 19, 2005, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Im not sure what your point is. The fact that I believe the earth is flat or your nonsense remarks


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Squato_/Flat_Earth_28.jpg)
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 19, 2005, 11:28:12 PM
In all your explanations you have failed to convince me the earth is round. You make a claim and I counter it successfully
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Squato on November 20, 2005, 12:43:39 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
In all your explanations you have failed to convince me the earth is round. You make a claim and I counter it successfully


MY GOD.

YOU MADE ME SE THE TURTH.

No just stand there plaese. (http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9788/arse6jv.jpg)

 :twisted:
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 20, 2005, 09:12:22 PM
Squato, please try to stop fooling this forum with your fuzzy facts that dont add up to squat.  I showed you that the theroy of gravity could not work and I backed up my claim.  You presented a very complex soloution to the idea of gravity and I showed you a simple one that was true.  Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor. You have 2 solutions to the problem and the simpler on is the correct on according to the Rasor.  What is more believable, your complex blable or my simple explanation that can be backed up well.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Goethe on November 21, 2005, 01:26:14 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Squato, please try to stop fooling this forum with your fuzzy facts that dont add up to squat.

I assume you are referring to me?

Quote from: "bullhorn"
I showed you that the theroy of gravity could not work and I backed up my claim. You presented a very complex soloution to the idea of gravity and I showed you a simple one that was true.

True? You mean you gave a solution that is valid given the limited amount of information presented (with the exclusion of information you don't trust). You did not prove that the theory of gravity could not work, just as those equations I presented did not prove that the theory of gravity does work - that was not my intention. My intention was to show you that according to the theory of gravity this statement:
Quote from: "bullhorn"
According to the theory of a round earth. The bigger an object is the more the force of gravity acts on it. I would like to say that that theroy canot be true for the very reason as we have many new objects on the planet. Ice from comets and rock from meteorites. If the bigger an object is the more gravity effects it wouldn't it be fare to say that gravity should be increasing. If the planet is getting larger due to forign bodies from space landing on it, wouldn't this in turn increase the force of gravity. How are we still able to walk around and move. It seems to me that it should be harder to move every day due to this.  It seems that athletes are able to run faster and jump higher. This doesent make sense under your theory.

.......is not correct since it does not show a contradiction in the theory of gravity. Newton's law of universal gravitation is a part of the theory of gravity so, by performing those calculations, I showed that according to the theory of gravity the acceleration due to gravity does not increase significantly with the increase in the Earth's mass caused by meteorites/asteriods. I also previously explained (with the beach ball/Earth diagram that according to the theory of gravity earthquakes would not cause massive destruction.

Quote from: "bullhorn"
Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor. You have 2 solutions to the problem and the simpler on is the correct on according to the Rasor.  What is more believable, your complex blable or my simple explanation that can be backed up well.

Yes I've heard of Ockham's razor. I also know what it means and have applyed it in the formulation of mathematical models.

This link explains when ockham's razor can be used:
http://phyun5.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node10.html

Emphasis should be placed on this part:
Quote
there are are theories which have the very same predictions and it is here that the Razor is useful.


Our theories do not share the same predictions therefore it is not logical to apply Ockham's Razor. Instead in order to determine which theory is more valid we must look at the evidence for and against both theories.

Speaking of evidence lets get back to the first "fuzzy" diagram that I drew. It explains that because the UN map model distorts the continents of the round Earth model in order to fit onto a 2D plane the same distortions would have to be applyed to the shapes of seismic waves (http://piru.alexandria.ucsb.edu/collections/geography3b/dar/WEEK3/earthquake_surface_wave_propogation_chile.jpg) so that the resulting shapes would look like this (http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5046/jp8ji.jpg). As I said before you might say seismologists are covering this up for the Government but anyone who experiences an earthquke first hand would bear direct witness to the effects (i.e. the time it takes for the Earthquake to reach them).

P.S. You'll have to excuse my diagrams, I don't have access to NASA's advanced photoshop technology. :wink:
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Squato on November 21, 2005, 05:17:42 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Squato, please try to stop fooling this forum with your fuzzy facts that dont add up to squat.  I showed you that the theroy of gravity could not work and I backed up my claim.  You presented a very complex soloution to the idea of gravity and I showed you a simple one that was true.  Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor. You have 2 solutions to the problem and the simpler on is the correct on according to the Rasor.  What is more believable, your complex blable or my simple explanation that can be backed up well.


No, all I'm seeing is someone who is hitting their head against a brick wall, and is calling it cake.

Now it looks like a wall, feels like a wall, and to anyone else IS a wall. To you, it is a cake. If someone points that it is a wall, you go "I'm right, your wrong, I rule." then go back to hitting your head against the wall.

Yes Occam's Razor does say that. But your "science" (that I use loosely) fails in it's methods. The threoy of Gravity (which has after 300 years not been proven wrong by the best minds the world has seen in that time), is a simple threoy which needs the person to believe one thing. "What comes up, must come down". Yours does not, as it means that someone will need to suspend their disbelief in the fact that under the rules of your threoy things do not float up in the air of no reason whats so ever.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 21, 2005, 05:24:55 PM
One thing that you have succeded in doing is demonstrating your ability to place facts on this forum that dont have any relation to the real world.  I have showed you how gravity works and you have showed me how you believe gravity works. I am telling you, that you can test me theory in the real world. With your theory we have to rely on facts and figures from the minds of other people and assumptions about the shape of our planet. I am telling you that with my theory you can test it everyday. Go to your local elevator and press the top floor. When it is in motion jump. You will find that the elivator will meet you. That is a simple way to test my theroy. To test your theory we would have to go to "space" and look down on the so called "round planet" and conduct tests by throwing different objects into the atmosphere and see if they fall to the planet. Everything from shoes to pianos to cars would have to be sent towards the planet. After testing your theory on a vast number of objects one would have to draft a complex algorithm on why gravity works. What is simpler, a theory that can be demonstrated with your local elevator or something that would take hundreds of billions of dollers to complete and be conducted by a select few. You tell me what one makes the most sense
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Goethe on November 21, 2005, 07:36:58 PM
I understand that you don't trust the answers that are related to the theory of gravity. As I said before I was not saying that the theory is correct because of a bunch of equations, I was just showing that the statements you made about the beach ball 'n' meteors 'n' stuff was not evidence against a round Earth. You are trying to use a red herring to avoid having to answer my last statement about seismology. If there is something specific you think is wrong with my last statement point it out, so I can prove you wrong.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 21, 2005, 10:23:17 PM
All im saying is that the theory of gravity is just that a theroy,  Im not saying you are wrong just that You and I come from different prespectives.  I enjoy the debate that we have and I do understand what you are saying.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Squato on November 21, 2005, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: "garglecumz"
Quote from: "Squato"
Quote from: "bullhorn"
i want to make love wit u


yes


No, and bullhorn has nothing to back up his "facts".

As you said, "you pull things towards you (shortered post). Now, anything with mass has gravity, just not much. That can be best seen by the ISS, which allows the people to work their in something almost like Earth (Earth has too much mass to show it).

As such, the "elivator" moves by the laws of gravity, not the X-Men.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Goethe on November 22, 2005, 01:57:59 AM
Quote from: "Goethe"
I am telling you, that you can test me theory in the real world.

How? You can't perform a simple test and conclude from the results that the Earth is flat and flying upwards.

This isn't just a debate about gravity, its about the shape of the Earth. If I can show that one thing doesn't make sense with a flat Earth (such as the seismic waves) and there is no plausible explaination then it will severely discredit the flat Earth theory. So far you have not shown anything that does not make sense under the assumption of a round Earth.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 22, 2005, 09:13:50 AM
Can you please stop posting that
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Goethe on November 22, 2005, 05:51:07 PM
............................

Oh fuck it. Everyone knows I win anyway. Earth not flat. Yey! etc.

THE END
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 22, 2005, 07:23:58 PM
I will defend the flat earth untill the day I die because it is so. I know its falt and I have proved it you have been led on by a lie
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Squato on November 22, 2005, 10:40:25 PM
Yes, and you are still an idiot.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Citrusponge on November 23, 2005, 06:57:32 AM
Do moderators or admins exist in this strange strange land?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on November 23, 2005, 12:43:12 PM
The earth is flat proof lies in the fact that It seems flat if you look at it, I explaned how gravity works and you seemed to reject it for some reson, I assume its becuase you read books and think that they are correct when if you look at my example you will see why I am right. Go back to school and critically analize the facts and you will see that I am correct
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Squato on November 23, 2005, 08:14:28 PM
No, that is not the case. It's just that your hypothesis is wrong on many different levels (which have been pointed out). You don't accept that fact, and are still saying that you are right.

What I do find funny is the fact that you have not added any new info to prove your so call threoy.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Mundi on December 06, 2005, 03:15:27 PM
Bullhorn wrote:
Quote
The earth is flat proof lies in the fact that It seems flat if you look at it

This is not a proof by any means, as we know. Just because something seems to have a property at first glance does not mean that it really does have that property. The sea appears to be blue at first glance: does that mean that the water in it actually is blue? No: it's reflecting the color of the sky.

Sometimes you need a deeper explanation than just the surface details to really understand something.

I am enjoying this: perhaps you have another point?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Jake2o04 on December 08, 2005, 05:27:41 PM
I have just joined and have spent about an hour looking through every response to the original statement as un-biased as possible.
If you read through bullhorn frequently states that if you look out your window or outside you can clearly see that the earth is flat.  He shows no evidence and changes his topic around 4-5 times usually after another member has provided substantial evidence against his statement.
Another common thing that bullhorn states is that "the institutions" are brainwashing us.  He has no evidence supported and when asked for evidence he creates a small less-than-paragraph response that has no information at all and usually ends in something like, "I am just saying that you are not providing enough information."
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: zerocool204 on December 09, 2005, 10:47:59 AM
Also, take a plane, fly at like 30,000 feet and fly level. Look at the altimeter and it will be rising after a period of time, and this is because THE EARTH IS FUCKING FLAT YOU DICKHEADS...
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on December 10, 2005, 12:12:17 AM
Let my help you to understand. I know most of you donít like my arguments because you find them hard to accept and I can understand that.  I for one spent many  years in school attending class after class. I found that it is nothing but the same recycled garbage. I then received my Dogwood, which I have on my wall but I donít conceder myself proud to have it. For  I believe it is full of lies and what it stands for is a lie. I then thought to myself has anyone actually at my university actually studied the evidence. For myself I attended The University of the West Indies. I thought have the students or the professors tested anything that they read in a textbook. By this I mean how many of you have ever sailed across the world without getting any sleep? or viewed the entire voyage? I doubt any of you have. You believe the Earth is round because all your knowledge to date has you accepting that as true. But what I am saying is have you ever seen the Earth from space? have you actually sailed across the world? have you ever been to the poles of the Earth? If you have I want to hear about it. If you havenít then you should be open to the possibility that the Earth really is flat. It was believed to be flat for many many years.  Most of you say I change my mind and flip flop on the issues. I was simply trying to explain my proofs by making it easier for you to understand, and possible help myself formulate better theories.  It is very reasonable to assume that the Earth could be flat. I myself donít know for sure but I have viewed the evidence myself and I donít find it in favor of a round Earth. There are simply to many contradictions pointed out by to many people.  Of course there are going to be those of you who say I am lacking intelligence and that I donít have any proof. And being a troll. The fact of the matter is I do have the facts, I do have people who believe what I believe and there have been people whom have seen the ice wall that stands 150 feet high.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: UL_Physics_Student on December 10, 2005, 08:09:52 AM
To shed some light onto one of Bullhorn's earlier questions about seeing 'spheres' in space, we must think about perception.  The earth is not a true sphere, it is ellipsoidal and it is certainly not a completely flat shape, but full of mountains and marine trenches.  I do not think that anyone can deny that much.

Therefore, what we see of the Earth is a matter of perception.  For example, imagine looking at a ball of string from many meters away.  How many dimensions does it have? It is simly a point in space, and therefore has no dimensions according to this viewpoint.  As we move closer, however, we see a 3D sphere, crisscrossed with line of string.  As we move closser still, all that we can see is the string.  From this viewpoint, all points on the string may be descibed by how far you are along the string from a certain point; this makes the shape one dimensional.  The string then resolves itself into 3D twists of fibre, which then become 1D and so on.

Our being on the surface of the Earth, therefore, means that we see a 2D, flat Earth.  However, this is like 'seeing' the 1D ball of string - it is a simple matter of subjective perception not alloowing us to see the whole ball of string.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: UL_Physics_Student on December 10, 2005, 08:33:34 AM
I apologise for the spelling mistake in the previous post and would like to ask Bullhorn whether he has ever spoken to Ellen Macarthur or anyone like that about her experiences sailing round the world? Or maybe I should ask a friend of mine who was a member of the Jersey team in the last BT round the world yacht race?  Would chatting to someone of that ilk change your mind?  Oh and if you can get the money together, I am willing to go on an expedition to the south pole, using only a film camera and posting the undoctored negatives straight to your house, in order to prove/disprove the 150ft-wall-of-ice theory.  It'll give me something to do over the summer break
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: zerocool204 on December 10, 2005, 10:14:50 AM
ok if they go into space, take a pic of the U.S. how come you can't see China??? BECAUSE THE EARTH IS ROUND DICKHEADS WHICH MEANS THAT ITS NOT FLAT!!!!! Unless ofcourse, China is on the other side of the disc? which its not because the earth is fucking round and i can take a plane to china.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Lykos7D0 on December 10, 2005, 11:57:15 AM
Is this discussion actually happening? Are people actually debating this topic?

Bullhorn.
You have informed us that you believe in a flat earth.
You have also informed us that a secret order has caused us to believe in a spherical earth.
Please help me to imperically understand this viewpoint.

Do you want us to believe your view that the earth is flat?

If so, then present some sort of proof that doesn't require us to have to believe this by simply reading your words.

For if we were to take your view of things, not to trust those who have "lied" to us," how are you more infallible than "they?" What makes you a greater presenter of truth over and against the years of knowledge that we have been gifted with?

Also, what great goal is there in lying about this? What can "they" gain from us by saying that a flat earth is spherical.

Also, what do you expect any of us to gain from believing you? What's the point of taking your word? This could be a game or hobby for you to continue on with this discussion for your own personal desires: irritation, success in convincing someone to believe in a "lie," etc. And we cannot prove that this is not true.

Again, come at this imperically. Your word alone is not good enough.

Note that I have not called you a lier, nor have I asked for further explainations that lean toward your view. We need you to verify sources and facts as they are presently in place and force.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Lykos7D0 on December 10, 2005, 12:04:38 PM
Also tell me if you are approaching this scientifically or philosophically.

There are people who  believe in String Theory and while it sounds very interesting, it is still philosophy because no one has seen a string.

Where are you from? United States? Do you trust the FDA to deal out medicine to you? Aspirin, cold medicine; medicine for genital herpes, ostilperosis. I don't. They don't want us to complete heal up from "life long" illnesses because then we wouldn't be paying them till our day of death.

So what do you have other than words on this forum?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Talaananthes on December 10, 2005, 01:29:41 PM
Bullhorn, you don't have to go into space to observe the curvature of the earth.  I am a private pilot, and I can quite clearly see the curvature of the earth with my own eyes from a plane controlled by my own hands.  The same is true of every pilot.  Go learn to fly.

You are right on one point--all this philosophical discussion really is bullshit when you get down to it.  However, sailors have known for thousands of years that the earth was spherical, and in fact basic navigation depends on this principle.  Pilots can see it every time they go up, and their navigation is infinitely more dependant on it.  

I'll assume that since you went to college, you are familiar with the basic forms of logic and the syllogism, so I'll give you one.

All navigation depends on the earth being spherical.  Correctly performed navigation works.  Therefore, the earth must be spherical.  QED.

If the earth is flat, something must be wrong with that statement.  Maybe NASA is faking the existance of airplanes?  And ships too?  Maybe we're all really being used to feed the robots, man.
Title: Re: Proof probably is not the correct word
Post by: zenyatta on December 11, 2005, 07:56:11 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I can understand what you are saying, I understand that you "believe" that the earth is a sphere. What I am telling you is that unless you have seen the earth from outer space that you can not know 100 precent.  Please try to understand the point of reason that I do.  The example of China, you may have mistook what I was trying to demonstrate.  If I were to dig from my home all the way to China as my school teacher has said, I agree due to gravity they would not fall off, but wouldent they be walking upside down, if for here where I am I am walkinig rightside up.  This is just one of many contradictions for you to concider.  Another interesting thing is If the earth were round wouldent the water on the planet be in constant motion. Think about this, why are the oceans all at the same level, the sea-level it is constant dont you think that If the worlds oceans were covering the ball wouldent it cause great disasters. The sea-levels are constant because the earth is flat.  And I to want to know how all the evidence has been doctored, I believe in a global coverup.


A: I don't believe you actually believe the earth is flat. You're just trying to get a rise out of people.

B: If you actually believe it, why don't you and the flat head society put together some money, buy an airplane, and go fly to the edge of the earth and take pictures? Be sure to get some nice shots of the underside as well.

This forum is a hoax.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: zenyatta on December 11, 2005, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Let my help you to understand. I know most of you donít like my arguments because you find them hard to accept and I can understand that.  I for one spent many  years in school attending class after class. I found that it is nothing but the same recycled garbage. I then received my Dogwood, which I have on my wall but I donít conceder myself proud to have it. For  I believe it is full of lies and what it stands for is a lie. I then thought to myself has anyone actually at my university actually studied the evidence. For myself I attended The University of the West Indies. I thought have the students or the professors tested anything that they read in a textbook. By this I mean how many of you have ever sailed across the world without getting any sleep? or viewed the entire voyage? I doubt any of you have. You believe the Earth is round because all your knowledge to date has you accepting that as true. But what I am saying is have you ever seen the Earth from space? have you actually sailed across the world? have you ever been to the poles of the Earth? If you have I want to hear about it. If you havenít then you should be open to the possibility that the Earth really is flat. It was believed to be flat for many many years.  Most of you say I change my mind and flip flop on the issues. I was simply trying to explain my proofs by making it easier for you to understand, and possible help myself formulate better theories.  It is very reasonable to assume that the Earth could be flat. I myself donít know for sure but I have viewed the evidence myself and I donít find it in favor of a round Earth. There are simply to many contradictions pointed out by to many people.  Of course there are going to be those of you who say I am lacking intelligence and that I donít have any proof. And being a troll. The fact of the matter is I do have the facts, I do have people who believe what I believe and there have been people whom have seen the ice wall that stands 150 feet high.


Then post pictures, you troll.

I can't believe you are all so gullible to believe that this guys actually believes in a flat earth. He's yanking your collective chain.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: zenyatta on December 11, 2005, 08:03:22 PM
Quote from: "zenyatta"
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Let my help you to understand. I know most of you donít like my arguments because you find them hard to accept and I can understand that.  I for one spent many  years in school attending class after class. I found that it is nothing but the same recycled garbage. I then received my Dogwood, which I have on my wall but I donít conceder myself proud to have it. For  I believe it is full of lies and what it stands for is a lie. I then thought to myself has anyone actually at my university actually studied the evidence. For myself I attended The University of the West Indies. I thought have the students or the professors tested anything that they read in a textbook. By this I mean how many of you have ever sailed across the world without getting any sleep? or viewed the entire voyage? I doubt any of you have. You believe the Earth is round because all your knowledge to date has you accepting that as true. But what I am saying is have you ever seen the Earth from space? have you actually sailed across the world? have you ever been to the poles of the Earth? If you have I want to hear about it. If you havenít then you should be open to the possibility that the Earth really is flat. It was believed to be flat for many many years.  Most of you say I change my mind and flip flop on the issues. I was simply trying to explain my proofs by making it easier for you to understand, and possible help myself formulate better theories.  It is very reasonable to assume that the Earth could be flat. I myself donít know for sure but I have viewed the evidence myself and I donít find it in favor of a round Earth. There are simply to many contradictions pointed out by to many people.  Of course there are going to be those of you who say I am lacking intelligence and that I donít have any proof. And being a troll. The fact of the matter is I do have the facts, I do have people who believe what I believe and there have been people whom have seen the ice wall that stands 150 feet high.


Then post pictures, you troll.

I can't believe you are all so gullible to believe that this guys actually believes in a flat earth. He's yanking your collective chain.


By the way, troll, I lived in south america for a good while. And wouldn't you know it, those tricky NASA scientists changed the constellations for two full years just to trick me into thinking the earth is round. That must have cost a fortune.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Lykos7D0 on December 11, 2005, 09:09:31 PM
I actually believe that it is astounding that someone would talk like they do on this subject. I don't believe bullhorn believes this unless there was some evidence that could prove it.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Cinlef on December 13, 2005, 08:32:01 AM
Uh I really dont think he's yanking our collective chain fellows as you should never underestimate the sheer stupidity of your fellow human beings.
Now for the record I have read virtually this entire forum and can keep silent no longer. bullhorn all you and your fellow flat-earthers have done is dissmiss imperical evidence as doctored and or proposed alternate explanations to natural phenomenone. I wil in the intrest of fairness hear you out one more time. I wish therefor for you do do do things or shut the hell up now and forever about you views on the shape of the earth.
 
You must first
A) NAME A SINGLE THING THAT THE FLAT EARTH THEORY CAN EXPLAIN BUT THE ROUND EARTH THEORY CANNOT.
B) EXPLAIN TO ME A SINGLE PLAUSIBLE REASON FOR EVERY WORLD GOVERNMENT MOST OF WHICH ARE INCAPABLE OF COOPERATING FOR ANY REASON INCLUIDING THE PREVENTION OF FUCKING GENOCIDES WOULD BAND TOGETHER TO COVER UP THE SHAPE OF THE EARTH. WHAT GOAL DO THEY HAVE? WHAT ARE THEY GAINING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT THEY ARE IGNORING THE MANY IDEOLGICAL AND ETHNIC DIVISIONS THAT PREVENT PEACE ON EARTH? WHAT POSSIBLE ADVANTAGE IS THERE?WHAT?????
If your are unable to do these things your theory is 100% invalid or a joke and you should shut up and stop washing A)your life and B)my time.
An enraged
Cinlef
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Cinlef on December 13, 2005, 08:39:02 AM
I cannot spell but I can think.
Cinlef
Title: Hear me out
Post by: mjb683 on December 16, 2005, 12:12:31 PM
Before I begin to propose my question to Bullhorn (or anyone who subscribes to the flat-earth theory) I would like
to state two facts that I would assume we could all agree upon:


1. Distances can be measured.

2. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.


Now if anyone can refute these two simple facts, then my argument can be proven false.  Otherwise, hear me out.

Bullhorn stated the following in a previous message "I will point to the official seal of the United Nations which lays
out the true map of the world www.un.int."

Here's an illustration of the United Nations map with three points indicating three major cities in the word and their
approximate locations on that map:

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8844/unmapfinal7cw.jpg)


As you can plainly see, according to this map the distance between points A (Buenos Aires) and C (Sydney)
should be more than twice (2x) the distance between points A (Buenos Aires) and B (New York).  This would mean
that the distance between A and C should be approximately 14,000 miles (according to the rough measurements
taken from this map).

However, the actual measured distance between A (Buenos Aires) and C (Sydney) is 7,336 miles; which is nearly
half of 14,000 miles it should be if the earth were indeed flat.  Clearly, the disparity between the actual measured
distances between these cities and their locations on this map do not add up.

Now, for those of you who subscribe to the flat-earth theory: how can this map, or a flat earth for that matter, be true?

I feel that people should have every right to believe what they want, but with such a great difference between actual
calculated measurements and the most basic version of the "UN map", I'm just not buying it.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: mjb683 on December 16, 2005, 12:30:19 PM
What I was trying to imply with my previous posting was that, using basic logic, a flat earth makes no sense.  You would not even have to physically measure any of the distances given.  One could just take a plane ride and compare the time it takes to fly from Beunos Aires to New York City to the time it takes to fly from Buenos Aires to Sydney.  If the earth were flat, it should take more than twice the time to get from BA to Sydney than it does to go from BA to NY.  Also, in order to take the quickest route, you would have to fly over the United States at some point while traveling from BA to Sydney, which just doesn't happen in the real world.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Talaananthes on December 16, 2005, 12:54:32 PM
Not to mention that you cannot make an accurate map of the earth's continents without putting it on a globe.
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: pspunit on December 16, 2005, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
When I was a child I was told by my teachers that If I dig down in the ground I would eventually come to China. Would that not make China upside down? Wouldent the people be falling off the face of the Earth in China?  The list goes on and on.


the reason China is not an upside-down country is because the concept of up varies, based on where the gravity is coming from. Where ever the strongest gravitational pull is coming from, that becomes down, and the opposite of that becomes up.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: F Kid on December 16, 2005, 01:58:21 PM
but in another post it says that gravity is causd by the earth flying upward so yes, chinese should fall but never will because THE WORLD IS ROND!!!
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: rat7878 on December 19, 2005, 06:07:11 PM
yay, intelligence
Title: ?
Post by: canadadry on December 30, 2005, 09:24:17 PM
When an airplane flies from Toronto to Paris, it doesnt fly in a straight line, it travels on a curve.  Because that is faster than flying straight according to a laid out map.

What generates the jet stream? How come we dont hear people falling off the earth? How come we dont see the big ice wall? How come we cant dig and fall through? Thermodynamics says that heat moves to a colder place, why does the north pole not melt?  How come the big ice wall doesnt melt?  

I say the earth is spherical because science says that earth tilts on an axis which gives the poles 6 months of darkness allowing it to stay cool.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Icono on December 30, 2005, 10:26:11 PM
Well if the security organization is fact, and thus has been proved to such an extent that to deny it's existance would be preverse, then please give us details about this security agency. A name, a story, a picture. It is easy to say that there is a wall of ice but you can't see it because it is protected. Like ancient maps..... "here be dragons." If you can't explain it, explain why you can't know it...... this philosophy has slowed the course of science. boooooooooooooo
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: stillybig on December 30, 2005, 10:53:51 PM
Quote
Once you'd past the centre of the Earth you'd seem to be digging upwards (due to the gravitational pull from the centre) so you'd come out the right way up.


Before I say anything about this I'd like to say I think the earth is round and really couldn't give two shits if anyone said it wasn't, but I saw this little snippet and something caught my attention.  I'm no theorist, scientist, nor am I even very smart for that matter, but something about this struck me as odd.

Now, theoretically speaking, as you stated if one was to dig through the center of the Earth (which we know is impossible to do but just for you stupid fucks who will say I think its possible.. well, stop being such faggots), once you passed the center you would seem to be digging upwards.  At this point, which we'll reference to as the "gravitational flip" because I really don't know what the fuck else to call it, what would happen beneath one's feet?  Since gravity would flip and they would be digging upwards towards the "ceiling", theoretically the ground beneath them would be their anchor on which gravity is forcing them - but they have dug away that ground.  Would they freefall all the way back the the original surface, or would they just keep bouncing off the "gravitational flip" and just float right up fucked river?  Theoretic thought always bugs me, such as time travel, and this one gets me as well.  What would happen if you dug to and hit the gravitational flip with no ground beneath you?  When you hit that point, what's down becomes up, is that not correct?  Well, if you hit that point, down would be nothing but an empty void equaling the radius of the earth (which you have dug through).  Can anyone shed some light on this? My head hurts.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Icono on December 30, 2005, 11:01:49 PM
It is not too complicated. First of all, the exact center does not refer to an area the size of a pin point, but much larger. Besides being crushed by enormous pressure nad burning to a crispy crisp before you can say "dang," say you had a perfect sphere of indestructable metal in the exact center of the earth that excluded you from burning or being crushed,, and you were inside of it, you would most likely be floating.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: stillybig on December 30, 2005, 11:07:46 PM
Quote from: "Icono"
It is not too complicated. First of all, the exact center does not refer to an area the size of a pin point, but much larger. Besides being crushed by enormous pressure nad burning to a crispy crisp before you can say "dang," say you had a perfect sphere of indestructable metal in the exact center of the earth that excluded you from burning or being crushed,, and you were inside of it, you would most likely be floating.


Well of course I threw out all logic of being burned up or crushed, I was speaking in theoretics of gravity.  Why would you float? Would it be because of a point of zero gravity or a point at which gravity is pulling from both poles equally, such as suspending a paperclip between two equally strong magnets (in which case I assume the upper magnet would have to be stronger to compensate for the gravitational pull on the paperclip)? If you consider the second scenario, what if something "bumped" you towards the other side of the gravitational flip, across from the point of flotation?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Icono on December 30, 2005, 11:15:32 PM
You are mixing-up magnetic field and gravitational pull. Gravity is distributed in all directions NOT BY POLLS!!!!! you are being pulled towards the center of the earth no matter where you are. If you are in the exact center, then the force is the strongest (yes, strongest in the middle). So you would be crushed. provided you are not crushed because you are in the center and imune to the pressure, you would be floating..
Title: ......
Post by: oblivioN on December 31, 2005, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I will try to answer your questions. You asked me why there would be a government coverup. My answer to you would be I dont know why. One could assume It has to do with the Bible. In the past man did not have all the achievements that he does today. Computers, airplanes, ext... The government and the security orgaisation knows that if we through technology, find out the truth, this would disturb many peoples so they have come up with the so called round earth.  Through Academic institution, NASA Computers, they can doctor evidence and call this the truth when we all know if you look into the distance the earth looks flat.
 

what? ok here goes............

i am a private pilot and i can ASSURE you that the earth is round.
if you want proof go to a beach and watch a boat sail away from you if the earth were flat you would see the boat until it disapeered into the fog/end of your view. yes the whole boat and nothing but the boat.  since the earth is round the boat slips out of view from the bottom up.....

<3 entensity for making me laugh about this**
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: oblivioN on December 31, 2005, 01:39:40 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
The earth is flat proof lies in the fact that It seems flat if you look at it, I explaned how gravity works and you seemed to reject it for some reson, I assume its becuase you read books and think that they are correct when if you look at my example you will see why I am right. Go back to school and critically analize the facts and you will see that I am correct



when i look at my television the people look 3d but.. in reality they are flat. unless of course u are poor and cannot afford a flat screen tv. then they would be curved (but that is beside the point)  you cannot believe everything that you see. if the earth was flat you would be able to stand at one of its highest points.. and see the whole damn thing. and even at its low points you would be able to see a whole lot farther away than u damn well can now.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: pspunit on January 01, 2006, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: "Sacradotal"
:idea: Maybe if we were to build our own "satilite" (our Earth is not round therefore it will not orbit the plane of the Earth) it could finally prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the world is infact flat as a pancake!


So do it.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: hahahahahahahahaha on January 01, 2006, 07:36:58 PM
ah THE BIBLE. the same scripture used by the Ku Klux Klan to justify their actions. isn't that nice. too bad bullhorn stopped responding. i would have loved to read his response to the guy who said "have you ever looked at the ocean? you can see a slight curve..." or something like that.

By the way, in about 20 or so years, you will be able to book a hotel room...IN SPACE. Isnt technology great? It will be VERY EXPENSIVE of course, but yeah. I hear NASA or some organization will let you do that. Then you flat-earthers an see for yourself that the earth is indeed not flat...if you're not a bunch of "trolls" too lazy to raise money to prove your fantastic arguments.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: pspunit on January 01, 2006, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
The primary goal of the institutions is to further the goal of a round earth.


Dare I ask what this goal is?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: pspunit on January 01, 2006, 10:49:06 PM
hey, "ankh if you love Isis," that's clever. Did you make it up?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Horus on January 01, 2006, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: "pspunit"
hey, "ankh if you love Isis," that's clever. Did you make it up?


Unfortunately, no I didn't make it up, though another good one is "Hail to the Sun god, he is a Fun God, RA RA RA!"
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: pspunit on January 01, 2006, 11:14:41 PM
i prefer the isis one, but both are good
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Snowman on January 01, 2006, 11:30:49 PM
THESE GUYS ARE FUCKING TROLLS...













Read this, none of these asshats actually believe this shit. They are probably laughing their asses off at the amount of time you take to prove the stupidest shit ever. They waste time.


They are TROLLS. Stop responding to them...
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Mundi on January 01, 2006, 11:34:30 PM
But we know that already . . . it's just funny watching them, that's all.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Mundi on January 01, 2006, 11:39:07 PM
Quote from: "Sacradotal"
REPENT YAWAY WILL FORGIVE IF YOU ASK HIM

I don't think he's going to forgive you if you can't spell his name correctly. In fact, I don't think English is going to work at all: it's Hebrew or nothing at all, pal, if you're going to go about it this way.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Mundi on January 01, 2006, 11:59:21 PM
Sadly, history has not been kind to the ancient Egyptian pantheon. In terms of world religions, it would appear that Darwinism is at work among them also: the weak ones don't survive . . .

If a god dies in heaven and no-one is there to pray to it, does it really die?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Mundi on January 02, 2006, 12:04:05 AM
Gosh: a public crisis of conscience. Whatever next. Your bluffing skills could do with a little bit of work, though. It was kind of cute, but it got a little obvious towards the end.

Isn't the fiction that is this site a joy to behold?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on January 03, 2006, 11:05:31 PM
5700 have read the page wow
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Rain King on January 04, 2006, 12:39:42 PM
(http://www-atdp.berkeley.edu/1522/students/angel/kokocrater.hike/koko4.jpg)
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: pspunit on January 04, 2006, 03:37:02 PM
I see a curve, not much but it is there.

How do you explain it flat-earthers? (other than ignoring it)
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: TofuGlove on January 04, 2006, 10:05:40 PM
well they'll write it off as "atmospheric distortion" or something to that effect. otherwise, its a beautiful picture. and yes, round FTW
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on January 05, 2006, 01:49:48 AM
It is a nice picture and I assume what we are looking at is atmospheric distortion.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Dill on January 05, 2006, 12:00:34 PM
It's really not, it' the truth. You can't say that the government, all the companies that own satellites, and even the earth itself are showing lies just so you can be right
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: pspunit on January 05, 2006, 04:46:58 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
It is a nice picture and I assume what we are looking at is atmospheric distortion.


You can't just assume that it is atmospheric distortion. You must prove it. Since we (round-earthers) are the majority, the burden of proof is on you.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2006, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: "pspunit"
Quote from: "bullhorn"
It is a nice picture and I assume what we are looking at is atmospheric distortion.


Cameras don't show refractal illusions, ever taken a picture of a huge harvest moons that fill up the sky?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: TofuGlove on January 05, 2006, 05:15:30 PM
next he's going to say that the camera manufacturers are producing lenses that make the atmospheric distortion so that we BELIEVE the earth is round. I propose the purchase of a dunce cap for bullhorn.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2006, 05:53:45 PM
Maybe this a website that just baits people who like to argue.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: t609 on January 06, 2006, 04:13:49 PM
Bullhorn, you simply explained the theory of gravity on a 'flat' earth as 'travelling upwards really fast'. This does not mean anything, gravity is not created by doing this. In a space where nothing exists, no gravity 'travelling upwards really fast' would do nothing atall, if you where to jump then you would continue travelling upwards at the speed of your jump and the speed of the so called 'travelling really fast upward flat earth' meaning you would not come back down and eventually leave the earths atmosphere and travel forever really fast upwards

The reason when you make something move upwards really fast on earth and stuff appears to stick to it is beacuase earth has its own gravity, there is gravity allready there and travelling upwards simply increases the gravity. This increases in the gravitational pull and is called 'G Force'.

By the way, I am only 14 years old and I think you are an idiot, you can not simply assume the earth is flat. Even if you lived alone, away from all civilisation and so where not affected by this 'world wide coverup', if you where intelligent enough you would figure out that the earth is round, simply from star gazing and experimenting.

I think that you know the earth is round, you are just an attention seeker and are bored.

Or maybe you have been living in the year 1500 up untill now.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: t609 on January 06, 2006, 04:25:47 PM
And if we where travelling upwards really fast, surley we would see the stars racing past us, or atleast changed slightly since the greeks first mapped them.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Frank on January 06, 2006, 04:45:33 PM
So... The earth is flat, all the planets in our solar system are going up with us, either their flat too or there sperhical.

So either all those other planets have all there shit falling off them.
Or flat earthers believe in two seperate forms of physics.
Lil farfetched
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Cinlef on January 07, 2006, 08:05:09 AM
Also if the Earth is moving upwards really fast would this not be noticeable to helicopters. If a helicopter was hovering a few feet of the ground surely the Earth would hit it if the Earth was really rising. This has never happened could it be THE EARTH IS ROUND???
An enraged
Cinlef
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: t609 on January 07, 2006, 08:51:10 AM
exactly, hmmm.. kinda odd that no 'flat-earthers' have replied for a while  :roll: ... dnt ya think
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Cinlef on January 07, 2006, 10:25:51 AM
Maybe they all realized that computers as they are built using modern science cant possibly exist and are now telling themselves all computers in their houses arent really there but are government hoaxes and are therefore ignoring them as hard as possible.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: t609 on January 08, 2006, 07:28:23 AM
:lol:
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on January 08, 2006, 09:53:48 PM
For 14 you are really smart T609 :)
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: TofuGlove on January 09, 2006, 06:18:56 AM
:lol: that being the only flat earth reply in days, can i say pwned?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on January 09, 2006, 08:51:59 AM
I believe they are formulating an answer
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Dill on January 09, 2006, 10:30:59 AM
if THEY are formulating an answer, what are you doing?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on January 09, 2006, 12:25:21 PM
The same thing.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: t609 on January 11, 2006, 10:00:20 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
For 14 you are really smart T609 :)


Thanks  :D... for once, I agree with a flat earther.

Can we get back to some arguing??? Can the flat earthers formulate an answer allready!!   :shock:
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: alex2539 on January 11, 2006, 03:24:07 PM
See, that's why I prefer my model of flat-earth gravity. This one has been torn to shreds. Also, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but if the Earth is accelerating at a rate of 9.8 m/s≤, then it's velocity is obviously increasing at a constant rate. If the speed of sound is as documented - 340.3 m/s - then after a mere 35 seconds in existance, the earth would have broken the sound barrier. Then if the speed of light is 299 792 458 m/s, let's do some rough calculations to see when we'll reach that

299 792 458 m/s
divided by 9.8 m/s≤
=30 591 067 seconds

30 591 067 seconds
divided by 60 seconds/minute
=509 851 minutes 7 seconds

509 851 minutes
divided by 60 minutes/hour
=8 497 hours 31 minutes 7 seconds

8 497 hours
divided by 24 hours/day
=354 days 1 hour 31 minutes 7 seconds

354 days
divided by 30 days/month
=11 months 24 days 1 hour 31 minutes 7 seconds

Put it all together and you've got 11 months 24 days 1 hour 31 minutes 7 seconds.

Now, I realize that I used numbers that were quite rounded so my answer is a bit off, but that's a general idea. Basically, just before 1 year of existance the Earth would have reached light speed. Now as far as I know (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), in theory nothing can travel at that speed without a mass of 0. Also, if something were to travel faster than light, it would actually travel back in time. That's why it is said that time travel is impossible, is it not?

So... is the Earth traveling back in time?

[EDIT] Alright, it's come to my attention that this HAS already been said. Whatever, I still said it.

[EDIT2] Slight miscalculation, I left out a division by 60. The correct numbers hae been substituted
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: t609 on January 12, 2006, 09:02:38 AM
ok, so bullhorns thingy has been proven wrong. Alex, you say that you have a model for a possible flat earth, can you explain it to us?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: putthepinback on January 12, 2006, 02:33:05 PM
how do the flat-earthers explain ocean tides?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: alex2539 on January 12, 2006, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: "t609"
ok, so bullhorns thingy has been proven wrong. Alex, you say that you have a model for a possible flat earth, can you explain it to us?

Go to this topic http://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=996
Replace everything I say about evolution with adaptation though, because Cinlef pointed out that evolution is not a valid proof since it itself is not proved and could be refuted in different ways (not that he menioned any). Adaptation however is easily demonstrated in human beings.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Maddoc on March 06, 2006, 03:55:23 PM
Have not heard much from the FE's for a while now. Something wrong?

And yes, people belived that the earth was flat for many years. Then let me allow myself to say this.

Thunder is caused by Thor!
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: BlackJack on March 08, 2006, 10:38:19 AM
Hee hee, they believe in satellites on giant poles, how retarded is that?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Erasmus on March 08, 2006, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: "BlackJack"
Hee hee, they believe in satellites on giant poles, how retarded is that?


Hee hee, I don't know, o harbourer of all true knowledge and wisdom.... why don't you tell us how retarded it is, or get your baseles, infantile commentary to the Angry Rants forum?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: youre_all_retarded on March 08, 2006, 02:25:09 PM
Do you know how big the earth is? The curve is very gradual, and cannot be noticed from any one point on earth. And seriously, why would the government doctor photos; there is nothing to gain from it.
Title: This is how I see it.
Post by: I are a believer on March 08, 2006, 05:05:26 PM
I know alot of you people have been putting down the intelect of flat earthers. Well obvioulsy you haveas little or less intelect then them. I mean let me put it this way. Say you are a christian because you were raised by a christian family that made you go to church, while your little these thoughts get imbeded in  your mind as pure truth, they cann ot be lies because grown-ups have said them. Now if you parents brought you up thinking the world is flat and making you believe that, your pretty much going to believe that no matter how much proof disprooves is. I could say god isnt real because if god has no faults why did he put mary through so much pain of giving birth to jesus? Also many other arguments but I'm not here to argue about God.


So please, PLEASE!, do not start flaming because you feel the need to put down some ones beliefs that they grew up thinking. Would you like me to tell you your parents have been lieing to you and they're stupid and wrong? You most likely wouldnt believe me.

Oh and yes power to the 14 year olds. I'm also 14...w00t  :)
Title: Re: This is how I see it.
Post by: Erasmus on March 08, 2006, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: "I are a believer"
I know alot of you people have been putting down the intelect of flat earthers.


What's the point of this post?  You just want us to be nice to each other, is that it?
Title: Re: This is how I see it.
Post by: I are a believer on March 08, 2006, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "I are a believer"
I know alot of you people have been putting down the intelect of flat earthers.


What's the point of this post?  You just want us to be nice to each other, is that it?


No Erasmus, just less flaming, you can disporove them, but stop the explicit remarks and the comments that consist of nothing but insults, and really get nothing acomplished but angering someone.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: The_vilest_worm on March 09, 2006, 07:43:10 PM
The earth is far to large for you to see the actual curvature from the ground. If you were to go up in a air plane and look out the front window, you might see it a *little* bit, but it's very subtitle.

What you CAN see from the ground is the horizon. This occurs not because of a limitation of the eyes, but because of the ground dropping away from you.

If you've ever spent time at a dock watching the ships leave, particularly a tall masted ship (a bit of a rarity now days..) you will notice that, as it approaches the horizon, the bottom part drops out of your vision. No, it's not sinking.

The reverse is true of a ship approaching you from the horizon. At first, only the top is visible. As it comes closer to you, the ship "rises" until you can see the whole hull.

On "flat-earth", this would not happen. Ships would simply keep on going and going until you can no longer see them do to poor eyesight.

How's that for real world evidence?

And yeah, it would be nice if we could be more friendly. This is only the internet after all.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Knight on March 09, 2006, 09:08:38 PM
Quote
Now if you parents brought you up thinking the world is flat and making you believe that, your pretty much going to believe that no matter how much proof disprooves is


Uhhh... only if you don't have the ability to think for yourself.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: 6strings on March 09, 2006, 11:14:29 PM
Quote
So please, PLEASE!, do not start flaming because you feel the need to put down some ones beliefs that they grew up thinking. Would you like me to tell you your parents have been lieing to you and they're stupid and wrong? You most likely wouldnt believe me.

I have to agree with Knight on this one.  Say I grew up believing that a soda can I keep on my table is an all-powerful God.  Let's say I do this because my parents told me so.  I worship this soda can.  Seeing as this can easily be proven false and a stupid belief as a whole, beyond question, (say you destroy the can) I am stupid for believing such a thing.

Your point of view (the "people aren't responsible for their thoughts" point of view) is simply an overly-liberal by-product of a society that refuses to take resposibility for it's own actions.  If you're 8 years old, fine, you're not necessarily stupid for believing what an adult tells you, but once you've reached an age at which you can logically reason, you become resposible for your beliefs, an if you believe something stupid, that's your problem.  And I reserve the right to point out your illogic with any amount of demeaning, satirical wit I deem necessary.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: I are a believer on March 10, 2006, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: "6strings"
Quote
So please, PLEASE!, do not start flaming because you feel the need to put down some ones beliefs that they grew up thinking. Would you like me to tell you your parents have been lieing to you and they're stupid and wrong? You most likely wouldnt believe me.

I have to agree with Knight on this one.  Say I grew up believing that a soda can I keep on my table is an all-powerful God.  Let's say I do this because my parents told me so.  I worship this soda can.  Seeing as this can easily be proven false and a stupid belief as a whole, beyond question, (say you destroy the can) I am stupid for believing such a thing.

Your point of view (the "people aren't responsible for their thoughts" point of view) is simply an overly-liberal by-product of a society that refuses to take resposibility for it's own actions.  If you're 8 years old, fine, you're not necessarily stupid for believing what an adult tells you, but once you've reached an age at which you can logically reason, you become resposible for your beliefs, an if you believe something stupid, that's your problem.  And I reserve the right to point out your illogic with any amount of demeaning, satirical wit I deem necessary.


I take it your not a christian, I'm not, and I can easily see where your coming from, I think it's a bit peurile to believe in something you can't see and really shows no evidence of being true, but then again I was raised a christian with thoughts implemented into my mind that god was real, and how are you going to disprove god or the flat earth so that it was undesputable, The real only posible way it to bring all flat earthers on a trip to the moon and around the world.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Erasmus on March 10, 2006, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: "I are a believer"
how are you going to disprove god or the flat earth so that it was undesputable, The real only posible way it to bring all flat earthers on a trip to the moon and around the world.


Just because you can't think of a way to indisputably refute god's existence or the flatness of the Earth, doesn't mean there isn't a way.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Cinlef on March 10, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
Okay for about the 300th time Belief in God and or Christianity does not equal beleif in Flat Earth. One could almost say that's a prejudiced and anti-clerical assumtion since for all we know some FEs could be atheist and just paranoid loon as oppsosed to fundamentalist paranoid loons. Just because some fundamentalist Christians believe the Earth is flat does not mean all Christians belief the Earth is flat or that all people who belief the Earth is flat are fundamentalist Christians.
YOur comparison of faith in God to FE model is fundamentally flawed. MAny theists and religions acknowledge that the existence of God is ultimatly unprovable (some point out free will nessecitates this as otherwise you'd be FORCED to believe in God but thats a topic for a different thread). The FE model howver is something that in a basic physical sense is provable, we could sail to the ice wall and climb it in theory.The comparison is flawed because to disprove the existence or non-existence of God is impossible (althought as Erasmus said at least fo rthe moment) wheras a simple boat trip or flight should prove one model over the other. As could pointing out phenomenons one model cannot explain.

As for the flaming. I can say the Fe's are blithering idiots. Because up till now they cannot come up with proof for there theory that isn't torn to shreds by RE in about 5 minutes. They are quite welcome to insult me in turn, ad hominem if they wish or with actual arguments that prove I'm wrong. I don't give quarter in debates but I don't expect any either.
An enraged
Cinlef
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: I are a believer on March 11, 2006, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "I are a believer"
how are you going to disprove god or the flat earth so that it was undesputable, The real only posible way it to bring all flat earthers on a trip to the moon and around the world.


Just because you can't think of a way to indisputably refute god's existence or the flatness of the Earth, doesn't mean there isn't a way.


Err...But in the quote I'm quite possitive I stated the way they could; hence your informing the already informed.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: DaAlCh on March 22, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Since the FE'ers have not come up with anything for 10 days, would you say that Bullhorn lost his little topic?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: 6strings on March 22, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
He lost it so very long ago....
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Paranoid_Android on March 23, 2006, 08:42:27 PM
The Round Earth is extremely dense......in fact, the only things denser than this planet are the people who believe the Earth is flat.......

Get a freakin' clue.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Pesto on March 24, 2006, 11:53:04 AM
Um, neutron stars.
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Hawg on March 24, 2006, 12:45:50 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I ask any of you to look out into the distance and tell me that you see a ball. When I look into the horison I see flat. It is all flat. Have you ever seen the evidence that the earth is a sphere or are you looking at the doctored evidence.


With a really good telescope, on really clear day, I should be able to see the Tibetan mountains. I cannot. Round earth.

Hello? Are you putting us all on?
Title: Re: This is how I see it.
Post by: Hawg on March 24, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: "I are a believer"
I know alot of you people have been putting down the intelect of flat earthers. Well obvioulsy you haveas little or less intelect then them. I mean let me put it this way. Say you are a christian because you were raised by a christian family that made you go to church, while your little these thoughts get imbeded in  your mind as pure truth, they cann ot be lies because grown-ups have said them. Now if you parents brought you up thinking the world is flat and making you believe that, your pretty much going to believe that no matter how much proof disprooves is.


Sorry, can't relate. My parent's raised me Religiosly. But I was also raised to be a free thinker.

My Dad is a member of one political party, I am a meber of another. He still goes to Church, I do not.

Eventually, as you get older, you'll start to think critically for yourself.

Cheers.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Believer on March 24, 2006, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
I understand that all your knowledge comes from an acidemic institution and I know that the facts from the institution are jaded and wrong.  The primary goal of the institutions is to further the goal of a round earth. I am telling you to look out into the distance and you will see a flat earth, for millions of years this has een the way it has been.  There is no doubt that all your knowlege comes from there.  And I hope you stop drinking the Acedemic Ale and look at the real world my friend.


ROFL, this place is tops when your having a bad day  :P
Title: Re: Thank you sir, here is some more
Post by: Hawg on March 24, 2006, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Thank you for your support, although my arguments dont seem to have the backing of most of the room, I can understand it. All their information comes from textbooks and lectures, those come from academic institutions.  Someone here said it would cost 3 trillion dollers to push the round earth theroy, and that everyone is invloved. I will tell you that only a select few people are involved the coverup.  The select few would be NASA (the astronauts) [Government Run] and governmet run manufacturing companies that produce the doctered products and products to doctor evidence, and whomever else is deemed nessisary  The educators are caught in a web of deceit, that has continued over time. They are teaching a lie and do not know it. The Government and security organisation have done such a good job at doing this that the lie is now self taught.  You dont need 3 trillion dollers when people pay for the lie to be taught.  I can understand your point of view.  You try to explane it with your knowlege but in all reality you have never seen the evidence of a round earth.  And the government does lie. Abu Grabe, war in iraq, watergate. These are all things that the government has tried to get away with but have been caught. It takes people like me to do the work for the many. I know the truth and so do you.  Deep down you want to believe me but you have been held back by your deceved logic.  Academia can only take you so far. Sometimes you have to trust you gut.
www.un.int


So, you're saying that goverments who hate each other, are at war with each other...they've all agreed to cover up the fact that the earth is flat?
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Hawg on March 24, 2006, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
You do understand when water is put under awsome pressure it solidifies and then creates a solid that is called Ice.


Bahaha!! Now I know you are just putting us all on.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Cinlef on March 25, 2006, 07:48:38 AM
He really isn't he's knowledge is just appalingly limited
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: 6strings on March 25, 2006, 06:16:21 PM
Quote
So, you're saying that goverments who hate each other, are at war with each other...they've all agreed to cover up the fact that the earth is flat?

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: boyoben on August 29, 2006, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Well, I do infact believe the earth is flat. My background is that of Biology I would like to say that I do understand your argument that you believe the Earth is round.  You have absolutely no way to know 100 precent becuse you have not seen it. You have only seen pictures and video, which clearly have been doctored. Go outside on a clear day and look into the distance and you will see a flat earth, why you ask? becuase it is so. You have been conditioned since you were born to believe the Earth is round and been taught the self perpetuating lie since you were a child. Why, I dont know. For many many thousand years the earth was thought to be flat and as soon as modern technology comes into play the earth is suddenly round. Very convenient.  Please try to understand the argument for a flat earth. I know you think we are all stupid, but Im the one who needs to see with my own eyes to believe.


Yeahhhhhh Umm to say that "you don't know because you've never been to space" is like saying Evolution doesn't exist because we weren't alive back then.  Thats like saying even tho we have found thousands maybe even millions of dinosaur bones, that dinosaurs don't exist.  That is like saying Every murder trial that has ever taken place in history must be thrown out because there is absolutely no way to prove something unless you were there.  Do yourself a favor and start examining evidence, moron.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: P.O.S.O.B. on August 29, 2006, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: "boyoben"
Do yourself a favor and start examining evidence, moron.

I'm afraid that's asking a bit too much.
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: bullhorn on September 15, 2006, 11:11:15 PM
For I still read and listen to comments
Title: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: EarthisFlat? on September 16, 2006, 09:14:24 AM
-delete-
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: PSingh on October 26, 2010, 08:10:47 PM
There is no amount of education needed in this world to convince even a moron that the world is indeed round... sorry but the so called "genius" that was Christopher Columbus discovered this so who are you to discredit it?
Title: Re: Thank you sir, here is some more
Post by: credible on October 28, 2010, 06:27:15 PM
Quote from: bullhorn
Thank you for your support, although my arguments dont seem to have the backing of most of the room, I can understand it. All their information comes from textbooks and lectures, those come from academic institutions.  Someone here said it would cost 3 trillion dollers to push the round earth theroy, and that everyone is invloved. I will tell you that only a select few people are involved the coverup.  The select few would be NASA (the astronauts) [Government Run] and governmet run manufacturing companies that produce the doctered products and products to doctor evidence, and whomever else is deemed nessisary  The educators are caught in a web of deceit, that has continued over time. They are teaching a lie and do not know it. The Government and security organisation have done such a good job at doing this that the lie is now self taught.  You dont need 3 trillion dollers when people pay for the lie to be taught.  I can understand your point of view.  You try to explane it with your knowlege but in all reality you have never seen the evidence of a round earth.  And the government does lie. Abu Grabe, war in iraq, watergate. These are all things that the government has tried to get away with but have been caught. It takes people like me to do the work for the many. I know the truth and so do you.  Deep down you want to believe me but you have been held back by your deceved logic.  Academia can only take you so far. Sometimes you have to trust you gut.
www.un.int

So, you're saying that goverments who hate each other, are at war with each other...they've all agreed to cover up the fact that the earth is flat?

Obviously if they didn't, there wouldn't be a conspiracy, now would there?
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Vindictus on October 28, 2010, 11:16:31 PM
Holy necro, Batman
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: ratooo on November 03, 2010, 03:35:15 AM
I ask any of you to look out into the distance and tell me that you see a ball. When I look into the horison I see flat. It is all flat. Have you ever seen the evidence that the earth is a sphere or are you looking at the doctored evidence. How many of you have been to space to see the earth? When you look at the Earth you are looking at a picture or a video that has been doctored and changed. Why for thousands of years did people believe the earth was flat.  They have traveled on horses, we travel in cars and planes. When you are in a plane and look at the ground it looks flat. When you drive your car along a highyway in Saskatchewan you dont use your breaks. You arnt going in a curve, you are driving on a flat earth.  When I was a child I was told by my teachers that If I dig down in the ground I would eventually come to China. Would that not make China upside down? Wouldent the people be falling off the face of the Earth in China?  The list goes on and on.

You do know that the Earth is not absolutely round at every single degree. The Earth is round but not a sphere. If the Earth was completely round it would be tiny.   
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Hessy on November 04, 2010, 09:49:34 AM
Why did this get brought back to life?  Clearly it was dead for a reason.
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: danielthemaniel on November 04, 2010, 04:51:49 PM
I can prove the earth is flat, disprove this bitch

        { \partial^2 u \over \partial t^2 } = c(u)^2 \nabla^2 u
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: danielthemaniel on November 04, 2010, 04:53:12 PM
The earth is round because womens breasts are round. heads are round, eyes are round
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: vhu9644 on November 04, 2010, 06:29:56 PM
well, off an airplane, if you fly under the clouds, you would see that the edges of the horizon actually look like they curve downwards.  it is a window, so i dont think they could doctor that image
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: danielthemaniel on November 04, 2010, 06:58:54 PM
http://www.spaceimages.com/bluemarblewest.html

the most detailed image of earth from outer space,  MODIS. Flying over 700 km above the Earth took this image, which is a NASA space craft.

To a first-order approximation the Earth is round.  This
is due to gravity.  Gravity pulls with equal strength in all
directions; therefore any variations from a spherical
shape will lead to gravitational forces that
bring the shape back into that of a sphere.
 
This is without considering the rotation of the earth,
however.  The rotation of the earth adds centrifugal
effects, which cause the earth to bulge slightly at
its equator and flatten slightly at its poles.
(This is like twirling a rock on the end of a string
and then letting go--the rock flies away from the
twirler.)  Because of these centrifugal effects, the
distance from the center of the earth to the surface
of the earth is about 0.33% shorter at the poles
compared to the equator.



p.s The earth looks remarkly flat in this image. well at least to someone who is completely retarded.
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 04, 2010, 06:59:49 PM
There is no amount of education needed in this world to convince even a moron that the world is indeed round... sorry but the so called "genius" that was Christopher Columbus discovered this so who are you to discredit it?

lol
Title: Re: Proof that the Earth is indeed flat
Post by: Hessy on November 05, 2010, 09:57:42 AM
http://www.spaceimages.com/bluemarblewest.html

You didn't even pick the correct picture of Earth from space :(