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## Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: wise on April 06, 2017, 12:03:07 AM

Title: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on April 06, 2017, 12:03:07 AM
We don't know the ecaxt value of believers in the world. Actually there is no a valid method to detect it. But we can use some method of estimation.

In a work, we detected number of believers as 500.000 by using the method of "number of videos".

This time, we'll use the method of "comparing searchings".

It is meaning full There is a relevant between a belief and its number of searching. Also Education and welfare status affect to number of searchings. So We can not say it is exactly right. But may give approximate approximation to reality.

First We'll use the number of searching of main beliefs:

According to wiki, the populations of some beliefs:

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

(religion / in millions)

Christianity 2,200
Islam 1,703
Hinduism 1,100
Buddhism 488
Sikhism 23
Judaism 17
Flat earth ? (we are trying to calculate this)

Now we search on google by direct name of this religions:

Religions: search by term:

Jesus 890.000.000
Bible 458.000.000
christ 424.000.000

Islam 455.000.000
muhammed 60.000.000
محمد. 780.000.000  محمد.
quran 118.000.000

Hinduism 25.000.000
Hindu 168.000.000

Buddism 56.800.000
Buddha 167.000.000
Buda 55.100.000
Dharma 48.500.000

Sikhism 4.480.000

Judaism 36.400.000

Flat earth  9.330.000

As we see that some of religions Identified with someone. The searching of Jesus is more than Christ or bible. And name of the mohammad by arabic is more than islam, quran and others. So I'll get these names instead of a religion. And we'll calculate a rate by "Number of search / number of believer)

Term / Number of search / Number of Believer / Reverse ratio

1- jesus 890.000.000 / 2.200.000.000  (X 2,47)
2- Ar.Mohammad 780.000.000 / 1.703.000.000  (x 2,18)
3- Hindu 168.000.000 / 1.100.000.000 (x 6,54)
4- Buddha 167.000.000 / 488.000.000 (x 2,92)
5- Sikhism 4.480.000 / 23.000.000 (x 5,13)
6- Judaism 36.400.000 / 17.000.000 (x 0,46)

The possible reason of difference of judaism than others means other Abrahamic people interest with judaism. This is understandable.

We see that generally there is a relevant with number of believers and  number of terms. It is usually changing by 2 to 7 times.

Even if the number searching of judaism misleading, we use it too by to be unbiased.

Now we'll estimate number of flat earth believers by using the ratios of the religions/terms:

1- (x2,47) 9.330.000 = 23 045 000
2- (x2,18) 9.330.000 = 20 339 000
3- (x6,54) 9.330.000 = 61 018 000 (max)
4- (x 2,92) 9.330.000 = 27 243 000
5- (x 5,13) 9.330.000 = 47 863 000
6- (x 0,46) 9.330.000 = 4 291 800 (min)

So; number of believers should be between 4 millions to 61 millions.

As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30 633 000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.

STATISTICS SUMMERY CHART
Data -  Number of Believers (If there is two millions so the right one shows number of NASA believers)
April 2017 - 30m.
September 2017 - 43m.
October 2017 - 36m.
December 2017- 40m.
February 2018- 41m.
April 2018- 84m. (717m nasa)
May 2018- 75m. JUMPING POINT
September 2018- 763m.
October 2018- 633m. (521m. nasa)
November 2018- 865m.
December 2018- 935m.
February 2019- 652m.
March 2019- 803m.
May 2019- 744m. (658m. nasa)
July 2019 - 671m. (595m.)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Rayzor on April 06, 2017, 12:23:44 AM
I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.

It's well known that 85% of all statistics are false or misleading  http://scienceblogs.com/worldsciencefestival/2010/08/05/85-of-statistics-are-false-or/

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on April 06, 2017, 12:25:01 AM
We don't know the ecaxt value of believers in the world. Actually there is no a valid method to detect it. But we can use some method of estimation.

In a work, we detected number of believers as 500.000 by using the method of "number of videos".

This time, we'll use the method of "comparing searchings".

It is meaning full There is a relevant between a belief and its number of searching. Also Education and welfare status affect to number of searchings. So We can not say it is exactly right. But may give approximate approximation to reality.
. . . . . . . .
Now we'll estimate number of flat earth believers by using the ratios of the religions/terms:

1- (x2,47) 9.330.000 = 23 045 000
2- (x2,18) 9.330.000 = 20 339 000
3- (x6,54) 9.330.000 = 61 018 000 (max)
4- (x 2,92) 9.330.000 = 27 243 000
5- (x 5,13) 9.330.000 = 47 863 000
6- (x 0,46) 9.330.000 = 4 291 800 (min)

So; number of believers should be between 4 millions to 61 millions.

As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30 633 000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.
I can see that you have read and carefully studied this book:
But you are in good company!
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Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Evilwave Heddy on April 06, 2017, 12:35:51 AM
Someones having trouble admitting that they believe in a flat earth by their lonesome.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 12:49:49 AM
I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.

It's well known that 85% of all statistics are false or misleading  http://scienceblogs.com/worldsciencefestival/2010/08/05/85-of-statistics-are-false-or/

No one ever lies silly.

That's a conspiracy.

Conspiracies don't exist.

Memba?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on April 06, 2017, 01:21:52 AM
Someones having trouble admitting that they believe in a flat earth by their lonesome.

Perhaps Environmental forcing and fear to be Excommunication by Science environment.
Title: September 2017, 43millions
Post by: wise on September 21, 2017, 01:36:11 AM
Update of September 2017:

Religions: search by term at September 21, 2017

Jesus 886.000.000
Bible 510.000.000
christ 427.000.000

Islam 474.000.000
محمد. 655.000.000  محمد.

Hindu 169.000.000

Buddha 179.000.000

Judaism 46.300.000

Flat earth  13.000.000

Compare with 5 months earlier results:

Result April / September (millions) / Increase or decrease the interest rate (+-)

Jesus: 890 > 886  -0,44%
Arabic Mohammad: 780 > 655 -16%
Hindu: 168 > 169  +0,6%
Buddha: 167 > 179 +7%
Judaism: 36,4 > 46,3 +27%
Flat earth: 9,3 > 13,0 40%

Result of this statistics:

1- the total number of search results can be reduced. then some results are extracted from the statistical database over time. this is an effect that weakens the reliability of the statistic.

2- A significant decrease is the search about the Prophet of Islam. (-16%)

3- Two significant increase about the interest to judaism and flat earth. The search on judaism increased 27% in 5 month and the search of flat earth increased 40% in same period.

4- As an estimation, the believers of the flat earth increased to 42.800.000 from 30.633.000. (30.633.000x+%40)

Commentary

The international interest to flat eart still is increasing and this increase rate is still more than all other beliefs. (40% > 27%). However, the rate of increase, ie, the rate of acceleration is decreasing; this is a remarkable point.

With this acceleration, the time of whole world become flat earther changes to 5 years from 2.

Of course, these statistics are constantly changing and everything can accelerate or slow down. it is really hard to foresee it. but the statistical work here gives us an idea of the how things go.

as a result the believers of flat earth is still the fastest growing belief, and our census is increasing rapidly. This is the whole point.
Title: Re: September 2017, 43millions
Post by: rabinoz on September 21, 2017, 03:20:39 AM
With this acceleration, the time of whole world become flat earther changes to 5 years from 2.

What a joke! You expect to "take over the world" but
;D you still don't have an accurate map and you still can't agree among yourselves  on why things fall down. ;D
But just face the unpleasant fact (for the flat earth).
Quote from: İntikam
Jesus 886.000.000, Bible 510.000.000, christ 427.000.000
Islam 474.000.000, محمد. 655.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 169.000.000
Buddha 179.000.000
Judaism 46.300.000
Flat earth  13.000.000
Your figures are totally meaningless because, especially recently, many of those searching flat earth topics are now by people such as myself seeking to debunk your silly ideas.
Look at these sites that I found d with a simple search, all containing "flat earth", but aiming at  ;D debunking the flat earth.  ;D
So stop trying to fool us with your silly ideas.

PS I could not care less if I'm on your childisu ignore list!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: dutchy on September 21, 2017, 04:28:34 AM
I can see that you have read and carefully studied this book:
But you are in good company!
gatesnotes | 6 Books I Recommended for TED 2015! (https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/6-Books-I-Recommended-for-TED-2015)
Of course Statistics don't lie.
Every scientists on the globe would have argued against statistics by now.
There is overwhelming evidence that statistics work for at least 2300 years.
The 100.000 of workers in the national office for statistics in their respective countries would have revealed the fraudulent practices of statistics if something was really wrong with them
We cannot argue with a small group of ''illiterates'' that argue againts the well proven, measurable reliable results of statistics.
All the math, algorithms, interviews and knowledge is well known and archived.
And it does not only work in the USA and Australia, but numerous countries and their respective  sp uhh agencies have and will use statistics, because society benefits greatly of all the data gathered through statistics
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: MicroBeta on September 21, 2017, 08:40:15 AM
I don't personally know any flat earth believers. However, I do know at least five people who have googled it and read a few forums on the subject.

How would that figure into the analysis?

Mike
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on September 21, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
Considering at least 95% of membership here are not FE believers, I think your data is corrupt.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: markjo on September 21, 2017, 08:59:33 AM
I can see that you have read and carefully studied this book:
But you are in good company!
gatesnotes | 6 Books I Recommended for TED 2015! (https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/6-Books-I-Recommended-for-TED-2015)
Of course Statistics don't lie.

The title is How to Lie With Statistics.

It's quite common to present perfectly valid statistics in a misleading way.

Which sounds better to you: a 5% chance of winning or a 95% chance of losing?

Or, better yet, 50% chance of winning or a 50% chance of losing?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on September 21, 2017, 09:05:53 AM
I don't personally know any flat earth believers. However, I do know at least five people who have googled it and read a few forums on the subject.

How would that figure into the analysis?

Mike

Exactly .

Anyone with an average intelligence or above who looks into the Heliocentric Model will be able to see it is false .

Once you have seen flat there is no going back !

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: GRIZZ420 on September 21, 2017, 09:06:34 AM
There are so many factors omitted from this.

-What countries are used for the data?
We know not all countries are counted in search data do to restrictions from various governments.

-What percentage of those religions have branches that preach their bible as literal?
This is a much smaller number than the whole.

-How many of those searches are just people that are curious or looking for info on flat earth yet dont think its flat?
Without a doubt most searches are from curious people.

-How many of those searches are multiples from the same person searching?

-What are the percentage breakdowns of each religions different branches that believe different things?
We know that the Catholics alone make up almost 1.3 billion of the Christians and the majority of them dont preach or believe in flat earth and thats just one of the major religions. Most flat earth believers in the US tend to be Baptist and Lutheran creationists which are the ones that preach the bible as literal.

-It seems like most outspoken flat earth promoters on youtube and the net seem to be from three major countries. The US,Great Britain,Australia. Whats the breakdown of that based on the other factors?

This is just another guess that doesnt count many factors. To find out a world wide percentage of flat earth would have to based on more than this and include so many more factors.

Not to long ago a petition was started in the US by flat earthers demanding an apology from Neal Degrasse Tyson for all the alleged “lies he has told about NASA and the shape of the Earth.” After 90 days it only had about 1,000 people. Yet the petition to get Justin Bieber deported got 275,000 lol.

I would bet that most flat earthers are in the major westernized countries and the numbers would not add up to 30 million. Its more than likely in the several million range for true FE believers. Even if we double that its still only 15ish million.

Lets say that it is 30 million, That would only be 0.4% of the world population. So still a microscopic amount from 7.5 billion.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on September 21, 2017, 09:07:02 AM
I can see that you have read and carefully studied this book:
But you are in good company!
gatesnotes | 6 Books I Recommended for TED 2015! (https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/6-Books-I-Recommended-for-TED-2015)
Of course Statistics don't lie.

The title is How to Lie With Statistics.

It's quite common to present perfectly valid statistics in a misleading way.

Which sounds better to you: a 5% chance of winning or a 95% chance of losing?

Or, better yet, 50% chance of winning or a 50% chance of losing?
While everything you just said is true, it's important to note that nothing in the original post comes anywhere near "perfectly valid statistics".

This isn't a case of using real statistics in a misleading way.  This is an example of using flawed methodology, baseless assumptions, and laughable analysis to yield a "conclusion" that he was intending to get from the beginning.  And while I know you and the other rational people know this, the other people need to understand that just using numbers doesn't automatically make something statistical in nature.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Curious Squirrel on September 21, 2017, 09:08:16 AM
I can see that you have read and carefully studied this book:
But you are in good company!
gatesnotes | 6 Books I Recommended for TED 2015! (https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/6-Books-I-Recommended-for-TED-2015)
Of course Statistics don't lie.

The title is How to Lie With Statistics.

It's quite common to present perfectly valid statistics in a misleading way.

Which sounds better to you: a 5% chance of winning or a 95% chance of losing?

Or, better yet, 50% chance of winning or a 50% chance of losing?
While true, it's not even relevant here. Intikham is assuming FAR too much in terms of the relationship between those searching and those who believe in something. Instead of looking at Judaism and going "Hmm, there might be issues with using the data in this manner" he simply decides it's a lower bounds. Correlation/causation, etc.

I don't personally know any flat earth believers. However, I do know at least five people who have googled it and read a few forums on the subject.

How would that figure into the analysis?

Mike

Exactly .

Anyone with a below* average intelligence or less* who looks into the Heliocentric Model will be able to see it is false .

Once you have seen flat there is no going back !

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
ftfy
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: markjo on September 21, 2017, 10:38:19 AM
While everything you just said is true, it's important to note that nothing in the original post comes anywhere near "perfectly valid statistics".
I was responding only to dutchy's comment about statistics not lying, not the OP.

BTW, did you know that 73% of all statistics are just made up on the spot?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on September 21, 2017, 10:51:29 AM
While everything you just said is true, it's important to note that nothing in the original post comes anywhere near "perfectly valid statistics".
I was responding only to dutchy's comment about statistics not lying, not the OP.

BTW, did you know that 73% of all statistics are just made up on the spot?
Oh, I know you understand what's going on.  I just didn't want some of the other people around interpreting your post as somehow validating his "statistics".   :)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: markjo on September 21, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Also:
(http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-there-are-three-kinds-of-lies-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-mark-twain-321226.jpg)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 21, 2017, 11:16:25 AM
I don't personally know any flat earth believers. However, I do know at least five people who have googled it and read a few forums on the subject.

How would that figure into the analysis?

Mike

Exactly .

Anyone with an average intelligence or above who looks into the Heliocentric Model will be able to see it is false .

Once you have seen flat there is no going back !

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

i do other conclution:

as you are a FEIB and you than think you have in your mind an over average intelligence, the intelligence that you refer as average is on the level of a fungus.

thats the problem with unintelligent people, they do not know that they are unintelligent.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on September 21, 2017, 11:53:28 AM

thats the problem with unintelligent people, they do not know that they are unintelligent.
More on that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Drs. Dunning and Kruger should really visit this place.  It is a virtual treasure trove of research opportunity.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: RocketSauce on September 21, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
statistics... Do Lie...

You are saying that there are twice the number of flat earth believers than Jews in the world... hmmmm

Sikhism                    30 million    0.32%
Spiritism                    15 million    0.21%
Judaism                    14 million           0.20%
Bahá'í                    7.0 million   0.10%
Jainism                    4.2 million   0.06%
Shinto                    4.0 million   0.06%
Cao Dai                    4.0 million   0.06%
Zoroastrianism            2.6 million   0.04%
Tenrikyo                    2.0 million   0.02%
Neo-Paganism            1.0 million   0.01%
Unitarian Universalism    0.8 million   0.01%
Rastafari                    0.6 million   0.01%

you even have vegetarians and vegans beat... yet... I've never met a Flat Earther in my life... and I know a BUNCH of Jewish people and vegans... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 21, 2017, 01:18:31 PM
Intikam can't do statistics. He types search word in google and thinks that the number which google gives back is number of believers of corresponding faith/religion.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on September 21, 2017, 02:55:29 PM
Intikam can't do statistics. He types search word in google and thinks that the number which google gives back is number of believers of corresponding faith/religion.
Should we buy him a copy?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51zFExbOw9L._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
How to Lie with Statistics Reissue Edition, by Darrell Huff (Author), Irving Geis (Illustrator) (https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728) Paperback \$7.79 He might do a more convincing job then.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 21, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
Why not, I am ready do donate a dollar or couple.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on September 21, 2017, 05:11:29 PM
Intikam can't do statistics. He types search word in google and thinks that the number which google gives back is number of believers of corresponding faith/religion.

If only our elected leaders knew how to do this. It could save billions of dollars and a lot of time. Given statistics, no matter how carefully gathered, are mostly rubbish and can be interpreted in any way that suits whatever what one wants to say, I cant see Intikams method being any worse than the nonsense method we use now
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 22, 2017, 12:10:29 AM
It is worse. For statistics you get relevant data and then interpret it. Inticam gets irrelevant data and interprets it.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on September 22, 2017, 12:35:40 AM
The end result is much the same though

An inaccurate picture of what you were looking for

Intikams method is free and takes only a minute or 2

Governments spend millions to billions on this sort of crap and take months to give something that anyone can just twist to suit their argument anyway

For example, if a government party want to find out a pressing issue that concerns it citizens. You don't need to spend millions of tax payers money conducting research and polling etc. Almost everyone uses Google. They could just check what it is the public are asking Google - for FREE

Intikam is smart. Be like Intikam
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 22, 2017, 01:02:39 AM
What you said is so wrong that I can't even answer to that. Good job.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on September 22, 2017, 06:31:52 AM
I have explained the mentality of this working in another study before, but as far as I see it is also needed here. some understand, but some unable to understand. This is for somebody whoever don't understand why is the method has enough reliability.

many methods can be used in the research. each method has its advantages and disadvantages. even in the "face to face" method, which is one of the most expensive methods. a person can be withdrawn its real idea, misrepresented, or afraid of something. for example, a religion research was conducted in turkey. And then another research was done. According to the results of two researches, 60% of the atheists in turkey are believed in God. this is the most reliable method of research and a complete nonsence!

do a research now and ask them if they love Erdogan. 60-70 percent will say they like. Be sure 90% of them do not like him!

According to official records of the country 98% Islamic religion. I just opened a poll in the dictionary and asked for belief in 2 months ago.One of 3 was atheists. So what is the official survey, says 98 of people is islamic; is nonsence!  the whole of the world is in same situation.  Actually atheists in the world are more and more than estimated, but they say they are Muslim or Christian when you ask.

this method is based on the preferences people make with their free will. and more reliable than all others. If there is something to care about, there is a possibility of being attached to it.

I want to give you some little examples:

If you are affected by a girl, is there any chance you might like her? If you liked a girl, you might be in love with her. and this is a possibility. you can research a lot of people and get the result like this. how many people are starting to like a girl who is influenced. and how many people fall in love with a girl he likes. If you find it, then you are likely to find out how many people will be in love with someone who is affected by a girl.

There is a similar situation in religion.

If there is curiosity against a religion, then there is the possibility of binding to that religion. If a person is constantly searching for Jesus in the internet, he will probably start to love him after a while. Likewise, if a person is constantly searching for Islam, he is likely to be a Muslim. of course, and a possibility vice versa. but if you investigate such a million cases, you will have a statistically significant result.

I kept the error rate high because I did not trust the google site. If I find out the result of 40 million believers, that means it can  more than 10 millions  and less than 70 millions. but most likely there are 40 million believers.  When I do research with different methods, I found similar results. you can try it on different things too. for example, 2 out of every 3 people who believe in the flat earth, at the same time know the flat earth society.  If you look at the situation here, you can ask "where are these people" question.  They afraid! they come and go quietly because they fear being accused. this is real!

this method useful on the "free election based determination" and the "crypto" beliefs are also useful. for example, the "number of Jews", the only weak point in this research, is actually misplaced in the world. because the "crypto" in the Jews is too much. so the number of search on judaism seems like too high, incompatible with known numbers. because the Jews will say that they are a minority in many countries, and that they say Muslim or Christian when you ask. but when they enter the internet, they are searching for judaism more than everything. I regarded it as a research error before I was interested in the crypto part. in fact, this research is unique in revealing hidden beliefs.

simple and effective. but I did not spend as much time on this research as I did for senseless objections. See this discussion, not simple and not effective, even and even waste of time. But this research isin't.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 22, 2017, 07:52:00 AM

You just don't know how things work, do you. Just searching keyword on google gives you only count of words used on web pages and documents. It has no relation to how many people have interest in specific keyword or how often they search for this keyword. For example if you search for historical religions like Ebionites, Sadducees, Sicarii, Atenism and so on you can get results  reaching to hundreds of thousands but there are no practitioners or believers now. And its very doubtful that anyone has really any interest toward them. If you want to know what people are interested on and what they search use Google AdWords Keyword Planner or Google Trend.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on September 22, 2017, 08:56:39 AM
If a person is constantly searching for Jesus in the internet, he will probably start to love him after a while. Likewise, if a person is constantly searching for Islam, he is likely to be a Muslim.
So much for the Zetetic Method and basing conclusions on nothing but observable facts.  (Hint:  Observable facts don't include the word "probably")

The entire structure of your "research" is based on the premise that looking up something will "probably" cause the researcher to love it, and this premise is completely unsupported, and quite frankly, unsupportable.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: RocketSauce on September 22, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
59,700,000....

The number of people that Love Trump...
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on September 22, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
this is a method, you are free to like or dislike. Better than all of your useless methods. Actually you have no method. Did somebody make a working like that stay here? I don't remember, sorry. For make a critism, you should claim a better one firstly.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: RocketSauce on September 22, 2017, 11:29:35 AM
the lesser of two evils is still evil... the least bad of bad methods is still... a bad method
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: RocketSauce on September 22, 2017, 11:31:31 AM
Oh, and I don't know what that GIF is from... but the person in front looks like Melissa McCarthy dressed as Sean Spicer...
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 22, 2017, 12:05:14 PM
Oh, and I don't know what that GIF is from... but the person in front looks like Melissa McCarthy dressed as Sean Spicer...

no they look more like britains, most likely filmed as they said İntikam "good bye"
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: RocketSauce on September 22, 2017, 12:16:35 PM
Oh, and I don't know what that GIF is from... but the person in front looks like Melissa McCarthy dressed as Sean Spicer...

no they look more like britains, most likely filmed as they said İntikam "good bye"

No... It looks more like Melissa McCarthy Dressed up as Sean SPICER!!!!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on September 22, 2017, 12:20:38 PM
this is a method, you are free to like or dislike. Better than all of your useless methods. Actually you have no method. Did somebody make a working like that stay here? I don't remember, sorry. For make a critism, you should claim a better one firstly.
Your "method" is, objectively, not better than actual statistical models, scientific methodology, or even the Zetetic Method that you guys like so much around here.  Your "method" consists of forming a conclusion that you want, finding any hodge podge of "data" that support it, using assumptions and imagination to cobble them all together, and then proclaiming the result that you engineered (badly, I might add) to be the "truth".

My better suggestion would be to use observable facts to confirm or deny hypotheses, controlling for variables so you can correctly isolate the true causes of effects.  Limit assumptions whenever possible and claim them openly when they are unavoidable so everyone can see what your argument is hinged on, and most importantly...be open to the possibility that your idea is incorrect, no matter how badly you want it to be true.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: RocketSauce on September 22, 2017, 12:27:52 PM
sounds too logical to be true...
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 22, 2017, 01:14:54 PM
I wonder why Intikam won't go to some huge library and start counting his keywords from books. Its exactly same useless method as he uses with google.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Alpha2Omega on September 22, 2017, 07:26:13 PM
We don't know the [exact] value of believers in the world. Actually there is no a valid method to detect it. But we can use some method of estimation.

You can make estimates of anything. Whether those estimates mean anything or not is a different question.

The international interest to flat [earth] still is increasing and this increase rate is still more than all other beliefs. (40% > 27%). However, the rate of increase, [i.e.], the rate of acceleration is decreasing; this is a remarkable point.

With this acceleration, the time of whole world become flat earther changes to 5 years from 2.

Didn't you say that there was no valid way to measure the number of flat-earth believers, just guesses estimates?

I'll make a note to check back here in two years. If everyone (including me) is a flat-earther by then, I'll concede the point.

As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30 633 000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.

"Statistics do not lie." Lol! No wonder you're willing to believe the earth might be flat!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Gumwars on September 22, 2017, 08:39:13 PM
We don't know the ecaxt value of believers in the world. Actually there is no a valid method to detect it. But we can use some method of estimation.

In a work, we detected number of believers as 500.000 by using the method of "number of videos".

This time, we'll use the method of "comparing searchings".

It is meaning full There is a relevant between a belief and its number of searching. Also Education and welfare status affect to number of searchings. So We can not say it is exactly right. But may give approximate approximation to reality.

First We'll use the number of searching of main beliefs:

According to wiki, the populations of some beliefs:

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

(religion / in millions)

Christianity 2,200
Islam 1,703
Hinduism 1,100
Buddhism 488
Sikhism 23
Judaism 17
Flat earth ? (we are trying to calculate this)

Now we search on google by direct name of this religions:

Religions: search by term:

Jesus 890.000.000
Bible 458.000.000
christ 424.000.000

Islam 455.000.000
muhammed 60.000.000
محمد. 780.000.000  محمد.
quran 118.000.000

Hinduism 25.000.000
Hindu 168.000.000

Buddism 56.800.000
Buddha 167.000.000
Buda 55.100.000
Dharma 48.500.000

Sikhism 4.480.000

Judaism 36.400.000

Flat earth  9.330.000

As we see that some of religions Identified with someone. The searching of Jesus is more than Christ or bible. And name of the mohammad by arabic is more than islam, quran and others. So I'll get these names instead of a religion. And we'll calculate a rate by "Number of search / number of believer)

Term / Number of search / Number of Believer / Reverse ratio

1- jesus 890.000.000 / 2.200.000.000  (X 2,47)
2- Ar.Mohammad 780.000.000 / 1.703.000.000  (x 2,18)
3- Hindu 168.000.000 / 1.100.000.000 (x 6,54)
4- Buddha 167.000.000 / 488.000.000 (x 2,92)
5- Sikhism 4.480.000 / 23.000.000 (x 5,13)
6- Judaism 36.400.000 / 17.000.000 (x 0,46)

The possible reason of difference of judaism than others means other Abrahamic people interest with judaism. This is understandable.

We see that generally there is a relevant with number of believers and  number of terms. It is usually changing by 2 to 7 times.

Even if the number searching of judaism misleading, we use it too by to be unbiased.

Now we'll estimate number of flat earth believers by using the ratios of the religions/terms:

1- (x2,47) 9.330.000 = 23 045 000
2- (x2,18) 9.330.000 = 20 339 000
3- (x6,54) 9.330.000 = 61 018 000 (max)
4- (x 2,92) 9.330.000 = 27 243 000
5- (x 5,13) 9.330.000 = 47 863 000
6- (x 0,46) 9.330.000 = 4 291 800 (min)

So; number of believers should be between 4 millions to 61 millions.

As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30 633 000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.
I've never seen this methodology before.  If I didn't know any better, I'd say it was plucked from the air.  You do realize that you've made insane assumptions based on, at best, unrelated data.  Any survey that aims at determining something requires carefully selected questions aimed at not influencing the party you're trying to get information about (leading the witness, so to speak).  You're cherry picking information and then making it fit a model of your choosing.  This isn't anything other than wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 23, 2017, 01:01:14 PM
And comedy show goes on. Much more fun is to search for "i believe flat earth" - 1930 results. And "i believe round earth" - 7 results.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on September 24, 2017, 02:13:35 AM
And comedy show goes on. Much more fun is to search for "i believe flat earth" - 1930 results. And "i believe round earth" - 7 results.

Its not a reliable type of search. Because, flat earth believers say it for show their face. But globists don't requere to do it. Because people are globist as a default style.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 24, 2017, 04:07:55 AM
And comedy show goes on. Much more fun is to search for "i believe flat earth" - 1930 results. And "i believe round earth" - 7 results.

Its not a reliable type of search. Because, flat earth believers say it for show their face. But globists don't requere to do it. Because people are globist as a default style.
It is as reliable as any other because you just count words and phrases not relations between these words/ phrases and people/religion. As I said, you get exactly same kind of "reliable" result when you go to the library and start counting your keywords inside books. You are just counting words and if there is 10 words "christ" inside the book that does not mean that there is 10 or even one people believeing in christ.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Apokalypt on September 24, 2017, 10:06:54 AM
That is about the number of US-Americans that believe vaccines are bad...probably the same stupid ones.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on September 24, 2017, 01:18:23 PM
Anyway. I think I should have to quit the public sections.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Cartog on September 24, 2017, 10:54:25 PM
Assuming that the number of views of Flat Earth messages/videos is anything close to an approximation of the number of true believers is very very wrong.

I think a very substantial portion - very probably a majority - of those viewers are solid Round Earth believers who look this FE stuff up to laugh at it.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 25, 2017, 12:10:15 AM
Anyway. I think I should have to quit the public sections.
Good choice. Because someone always points out here how wrong you are.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 06:14:40 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 06:38:46 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 06:53:46 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 07:06:00 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 07:21:51 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 07:24:17 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 07:33:40 AM
wow, you speak retarded very well.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 07:36:26 AM
wow, you speak retarded very well.

but you are way better
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 07:44:31 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I am very bad at German, and even worse when a Frenchy speaks it.  But, I can almost understand that.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 07:48:22 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I am very bad at German, and even worse when a Frenchy speaks it.  But, I can almost understand that.

at least on thing you understand, or lets say a little bit.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 07:54:33 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I am very bad at German, and even worse when a Frenchy speaks it.  But, I can almost understand that.

at least on thing you understand, or lets say a little bit.

What?  ???
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 08:02:25 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I am very bad at German, and even worse when a Frenchy speaks it.  But, I can almost understand that.

at least on thing you understand, or lets say a little bit.

What?  ???

for example you do not understand science :-D :-D
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 08:04:51 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I am very bad at German, and even worse when a Frenchy speaks it.  But, I can almost understand that.

at least on thing you understand, or lets say a little bit.

What?  ???

for example you do not understand science :-D :-D

In qua lingua?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 08:09:35 AM

In qua lingua?

Portuguese: in Wednesday  language
?????

(according to internet translator)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 08:12:51 AM

In qua lingua?

Portuguese: in Wednesday  language
?????

(according to internet translator)

I am very bad at all languages, but surely, you knew that was an attempt at Latin.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 08:28:06 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I just translated that.  Why do you hate me?  Is it because I am a Jew?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 08:30:45 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I just translated that.  Why do you hate me?  Is it because I am a Jew?

no does not madder for me, do do not hate anybody because of their believes, i leave that to the religious people.

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Curious Squirrel on September 25, 2017, 08:30:57 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(
I'm not sure if that it Englishes quite as well (depending what you are trying to say), but I personally like: "I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorality card." Just because it makes it look like someone just misspelled what you were supposed to have and you got 'robbed.'
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 08:39:56 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(
I'm not sure if that it Englishes quite as well (depending what you are trying to say), but I personally like: "I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorality card." Just because it makes it look like someone just misspelled what you were supposed to have and you got 'robbed.'

You are very retarded, so I will have to explain it to you.
intikam has an immortality card, because he is deranged.

I made light of it by mentioning an immorality card, and then you went full retard on us.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 08:45:17 AM
Would you hate me as much if I was in my PJ's?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Curious Squirrel on September 25, 2017, 08:56:42 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(
I'm not sure if that it Englishes quite as well (depending what you are trying to say), but I personally like: "I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorality card." Just because it makes it look like someone just misspelled what you were supposed to have and you got 'robbed.'

You are very retarded, so I will have to explain it to you.
intikam has an immortality card, because he is deranged.

I made light of it by mentioning an immorality card, and then you went full retard on us.
O.o Wow. Check, no attempting to joke with Jroa, as he has no sense of language humor whatsoever.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 09:00:47 AM
In qua lingua?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 25, 2017, 09:39:30 AM
Would you hate me as much if I was in my PJ's?

why should i hate you?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: robintex on September 25, 2017, 10:19:25 AM
Assuming that the number of views of Flat Earth messages/videos is anything close to an approximation of the number of true believers is very very wrong.

I think a very substantial portion - very probably a majority - of those viewers are solid Round Earth believers who look this FE stuff up to laugh at it.

I think that's it.
I think most of the visitors to this website are not Flat Earth believers but  those solid Round Earth  believers who just come to this website for the fun and entertainment of reading weird Flat Earth ideas and/or the fun and entertainment of debunking weird Flat Earth ideas.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 10:56:17 AM
Assuming that the number of views of Flat Earth messages/videos is anything close to an approximation of the number of true believers is very very wrong.

I think a very substantial portion - very probably a majority - of those viewers are solid Round Earth believers who look this FE stuff up to laugh at it.

I think that's it.
I think most of the visitors to this website are not Flat Earth believers but  those solid Round Earth  believers who just come to this website for the fun and entertainment of reading weird Flat Earth ideas and/or the fun and entertainment of debunking weird Flat Earth ideas.

You think?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on September 25, 2017, 11:45:34 AM
Assuming that the number of views of Flat Earth messages/videos is anything close to an approximation of the number of true believers is very very wrong.

I think a very substantial portion - very probably a majority - of those viewers are solid Round Earth believers who look this FE stuff up to laugh at it.

I think that's it.
I think most of the visitors to this website are not Flat Earth believers but  those solid Round Earth  believers who just come to this website for the fun and entertainment of reading weird Flat Earth ideas and/or the fun and entertainment of debunking weird Flat Earth ideas.

You think?

Do you not?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 11:47:38 AM
Assuming that the number of views of Flat Earth messages/videos is anything close to an approximation of the number of true believers is very very wrong.

I think a very substantial portion - very probably a majority - of those viewers are solid Round Earth believers who look this FE stuff up to laugh at it.

I think that's it.
I think most of the visitors to this website are not Flat Earth believers but  those solid Round Earth  believers who just come to this website for the fun and entertainment of reading weird Flat Earth ideas and/or the fun and entertainment of debunking weird Flat Earth ideas.

You think?

Do you not?

In qua lingua?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on September 25, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
Assuming that the number of views of Flat Earth messages/videos is anything close to an approximation of the number of true believers is very very wrong.

I think a very substantial portion - very probably a majority - of those viewers are solid Round Earth believers who look this FE stuff up to laugh at it.

I think that's it.
I think most of the visitors to this website are not Flat Earth believers but  those solid Round Earth  believers who just come to this website for the fun and entertainment of reading weird Flat Earth ideas and/or the fun and entertainment of debunking weird Flat Earth ideas.

You think?

Do you not?

In qua lingua?

Swahili
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 25, 2017, 12:14:26 PM
Assuming that the number of views of Flat Earth messages/videos is anything close to an approximation of the number of true believers is very very wrong.

I think a very substantial portion - very probably a majority - of those viewers are solid Round Earth believers who look this FE stuff up to laugh at it.

I think that's it.
I think most of the visitors to this website are not Flat Earth believers but  those solid Round Earth  believers who just come to this website for the fun and entertainment of reading weird Flat Earth ideas and/or the fun and entertainment of debunking weird Flat Earth ideas.

You think?

Do you not?

In qua lingua?

Swahili

Swahili it is, then...
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 25, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
Võib ka eesti keeles rääkida.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on September 25, 2017, 12:38:09 PM
Klingon? Or Estonion?

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: zork on September 25, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
Neither. But estonian would have been right.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on September 25, 2017, 01:39:05 PM

I hang my head in shame.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: markjo on September 25, 2017, 07:18:16 PM
Isn't this thread long past the point where it should have been moved to CN?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on September 26, 2017, 03:47:46 AM
Isn't this thread long past the point where it should have been moved to CN?

It could be said, that this entire collection of forums belongs in CN!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Jugemu no Chosuke on September 26, 2017, 08:10:49 AM
The hell is even happening here . . .
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 26, 2017, 08:14:55 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Canadabear on September 26, 2017, 08:26:29 AM
The hell is even happening here . . .

nothing is happening here.

hell does not exist.
hell is only to scare people to do good things.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 26, 2017, 08:31:42 AM
Yes, that is the only  reason I do good things.  ::)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Sentinel on September 26, 2017, 09:30:33 AM
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.

Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

Gar nicht mal schlecht, ein paar Fehler sind trotzdem dabei.
Title: Re: September 2017, 43millions
Post by: wise on October 24, 2017, 11:32:25 PM
Update of October 2017:

Religions: search by term at October 25, 2017

Jesus 868.000.000 ↓
Bible 506.000.000 ↓
christ 421.000.000 ↓

Islam 477.000.000  ↑
محمد. 648.000.000  محمد. ↓

Hindu 169.000.000  →

Buddha 172.000.000 ↓

Judaism 52.000.000 ↑↑

Flat earth  11.100.000 ↓↓

Compare with 1 month earlier results:

Result September / October (millions) / Increase or decrease the interest rate (+-)

Jesus: 886 > 868 -2%
Arabic Mohammad: 655 > 648 -1%
Hindu: 169 > 169  +-0%
Buddha: 179 >172 -4%
Judaism: 46,3 > 52 +12%
Flat earth: 13,0 > 11 -15%

Result of this statistics:

1- the total number of search results can be reduced. then some results are extracted from the statistical database over time. this is an effect that weakens the reliability of the statistic.

2- A significant decrease is the search about the word of "flat earth". (-15%) ( it was +40% in september)

3- A significant increase about the interest to judaism. Judaism continues to take interest in internet searches with (+12%). It was (+27%) in september.

4- As an estimation, the believers of the flat earth decreased to 36.380.000 from 42.800.000. (-%15)

Commentary

The international interest to flat eart  is started to decreasing, compared to the interest in september. Meanwhile this rate of decreasing is the most rate in whole beliefs.

This result is not compatibled with the interest in past 1 year. for this reason we can estimate that this reduction is temporary. this reduction may become permanent. the whole point here, the factors which causes the decreasing the interest to flat earth should be examined and solutions should be discussed and developed.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on October 24, 2017, 11:46:21 PM
Perhaps at the current time, flat earthers have hit a saturation point. There are still active searches for the term so there are still new people interested however. What we need is celebrity power like when Shaq admitted he was a flat earther. John Davis, with your profile are you able to have an interview with Shaq and get him on the news again? Could you seek out other celebrities? The flat earth society needs headline news again
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 25, 2017, 12:06:09 AM
Perhaps at the current time, flat earthers have hit a saturation point. There are still active searches for the term so there are still new people interested however. What we need is celebrity power like when Shaq admitted he was a flat earther. John Davis, with your profile are you able to have an interview with Shaq and get him on the news again? Could you seek out other celebrities? The flat earth society needs headline news again

I agree. Past months we had some famous men like Shaq in USA and in Tolgay Demir as a politician in Turkey, a rapper that I forgot his name, made FET popular. There are no such people right now. I'm trying to contact Tolgay Demir but still did not achieved. maybe we can bring up such a person in turkey. but such PR work must also be done in different countries such as Europe. France, for example, is very passive. In fact, we should start with the most passive countries. Because there is more potential there. here in the largest duty  the members of the population are living in which flat earth is unpopular countries.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JamesTheSearcherForTruth on October 25, 2017, 02:08:55 AM
From what i noticed  flat earth slowly is gaining more followers. But still its not huge yet.
I  am upset that there is millions and none is interested to go there they all find excuses.
Excuses: "Its cold we will die" ----  for people who say that i dont know do you live under rocks or  you just didnt follow up technology during recent years of developments... .. .. .there is some very good and fine heat technology ,,, just one of them being  HEAT-clothing that produce and keep heat near your body 10 to 12 times more then normal winter jacket.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: ausGeoff on October 25, 2017, 02:43:01 AM
We don't know the exact value of believers in the world. Actually there is no a valid method to detect it. But we can use some method of estimation.

Nope.  There is no way you or anyone else can make even a rough "estimation".

Quote
Flat earth  9,330,000

Citation required.

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So I'll get these names instead of a religion. And we'll calculate a rate by "Number of search / number of believers

This is an imaginary, non-existent "ratio" which you seem to have simply made up by reverse engineering.

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As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30,633,000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.

You haven't actually used any statistics at all to arrive at this figure.  Your "methodology" is embarrassingly absurd, and built around your initial mythical figure of 9,330,000 persons.  Where did you get that figure from?  Thin air?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 25, 2017, 02:55:20 AM
We don't know the exact value of believers in the world. Actually there is no a valid method to detect it. But we can use some method of estimation.

Nope.  There is no way you or anyone else can make even a rough "estimation".

Quote
Flat earth  9,330,000

Citation required.

Quote
So I'll get these names instead of a religion. And we'll calculate a rate by "Number of search / number of believers

This is an imaginary, non-existent "ratio" which you seem to have simply made up by reverse engineering.

Quote
As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30,633,000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.

You haven't actually used any statistics at all to arrive at this figure.  Your "methodology" is embarrassingly absurd, and built around your initial mythical figure of 9,330,000 persons.  Where did you get that figure from?  Thin air?

You should to stop to seperate my posts anymore if you want to discuss with me anymore. This is an unlikable discussing type. This is a type of rabinoz style and in my opinion he is the top of nause person in here.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JamesTheSearcherForTruth on October 25, 2017, 03:01:04 AM
Intikam performed similair calculation methods on statistic as religion most of the time perform. Religions that perform an include similair methods : Catholic Church ( CATHOLIC), Jewish Religion, and Islam Religion. All parts ,  that is three parts of abrahamic religion (catholic,jewish,islam) perform and include similair or SAME methods of calculating of  their believers and followers as did Intikam.
So long talk short... Intikam is right.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 25, 2017, 03:07:57 AM
From what i noticed  flat earth slowly is gaining more followers. But still its not huge yet.
I  am upset that there is millions and none is interested to go there they all find excuses.
Excuses: "Its cold we will die" ----  for people who say that i dont know do you live under rocks or  you just didnt follow up technology during recent years of developments... .. .. .there is some very good and fine heat technology ,,, just one of them being  HEAT-clothing that produce and keep heat near your body 10 to 12 times more then normal winter jacket.

I think you mean american tourists wearing short shorts in winter. they are wearing centrally heated shoes.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JamesTheSearcherForTruth on October 25, 2017, 03:12:19 AM
I agree with your statistics. And i agree with most of what you said.  And for that excuses i can only say , real excuse is for most people either no money or no balls to do it. Or in some cases both of those things.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on October 25, 2017, 03:13:31 AM
You should to stop to seperate my posts anymore if you want to discuss with me anymore. This is an unlikable discussing type. This is a type of rabinoz style and in my opinion he is the top of nause person in here.
What does that gobbledegook mean?
Why shouldn't ausGeoff split your posts, everyone else does the same sort of thing, so stop being a fusspot!
Just put up with the way someone chooses to reply, you spoilt childish brat!

But,  please don't change, you make the whole idea of a flat earth look so ridiculous that no rational person could believe in it.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 25, 2017, 03:16:38 AM
I agree with your statistics. And i agree with most of what you said.  And for that excuses i can only say , real excuse is for most people either no money or no balls to do it. Or in some cases both of those things.

Oh, thank you for support. They really don't know how we defend this theory by getting the risks for us. We are defending the truth with put our heads in the lion's mouth. On the other hand, despite of all risks which taken by us, ordinary people just doing pooh-pooh.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JamesTheSearcherForTruth on October 25, 2017, 03:23:49 AM
I dont wanna sound harsh... But there is so many  brainwashed people, that they cannot simply think for themselves, and  they cannot use logic and think out of box... For them it  is mission impossible  to do anything like that.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 25, 2017, 03:26:18 AM
I dont wanna sound harsh... But there is so many  brainwashed people, that they cannot simply think for themselves, and  they cannot use logic and think out of box... For them it  is mission impossible  to do anything like that.

The television is killing the brain. First everybody have to get rid of that stupid box.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JamesTheSearcherForTruth on October 25, 2017, 03:31:41 AM
True. I mean there is some true in shows. Like for example in game of thrones is showed ice wall. Some truth in plain sight. Normal (brainwashed people) wouldnt notice it but i notice signs and signals.
I know this is not subject of thread but i will ask anyways, what do you believe is outside of antartic wall ??
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 25, 2017, 03:38:59 AM
I dont wanna sound harsh... But there is so many  brainwashed people, that they cannot simply think for themselves, and  they cannot use logic and think out of box... For them it  is mission impossible  to do anything like that.
Yes, like Intikam (and other FEers), that makes numerous baseless claims and horribly flawed arguments; and then when people clearly and logically explain what is wrong with them, he decides to insult them and ignore them.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JamesTheSearcherForTruth on October 25, 2017, 03:44:02 AM
My last post . (Post where i say i quote " i dont wanna sound harsh" was meant for you and rest of brainwashed people like you Black. Hope you wake up from dreamland you live in.
I can only SAY one thing about you Black. And that is that you just know how to twist things and words from other people posts.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 25, 2017, 03:52:29 AM
True. I mean there is some true in shows. Like for example in game of thrones is showed ice wall. Some truth in plain sight. Normal (brainwashed people) wouldnt notice it but i notice signs and signals.
I know this is not subject of thread but i will ask anyways, what do you believe is outside of antartic wall ??

My belief is there is more lands outside. I have some philosophical evidences about it.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 25, 2017, 04:00:44 AM
My last post . (Post where i say i quote " i dont wanna sound harsh" was meant for you and rest of brainwashed people like you Black. Hope you wake up from dreamland you live in.
I can only SAY one thing about you Black. And that is that you just know how to twist things and words from other people posts.

He is in my ignore list. Their aims are confuse people and make perception study. they are the best in word games. I recommend you to ignore people like this.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 25, 2017, 04:22:09 AM
My last post . (Post where i say i quote " i dont wanna sound harsh" was meant for you and rest of brainwashed people like you Black. Hope you wake up from dreamland you live in.
I can only SAY one thing about you Black. And that is that you just know how to twist things and words from other people posts.
Except I'm not the brainwashed one. You are projecting your own inadequacies onto others.

All the evidence in the world is either inconclusive or shows Earth to be round.
We are the ones accepting this evidence and what it indicates. Meanwhile you reject it, doing whatever you can to pretend your delusional fantasies are real.

I don't twist things, I was merely pointing out your (implicit) hypocrisy.
You are describing the FEers, not the REers.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 25, 2017, 04:23:09 AM
He is in my ignore list. Their aims are confuse people and make perception study. they are the best in word games. I recommend you to ignore people like this.
No, that would be your aim.
My aim is to show the truth, as simply as possible.
The sole reason you ignored me is because I refuted you too many times.
Title: December Statistics: 36 millions
Post by: wise on December 04, 2017, 11:44:55 PM
Update of December, 2017

Religions: search by term at December 05, 2017

Jesus 883.000.000 ↑
Bible 520.000.000 ↑
christ 425.000.000 ↑

Islam 484.000.000  ↑
محمد. 654.000.000  محمد. ↑

Hindu 171.000.000  ↑

Buddha 169.000.000 ↓

Judaism 63.500.000 ↑↑

Flat earth  11.100.000 →

Compare with results in October:

Result october / December (millions) / Increase or decrease the interest rate (+-)

Jesus: 868 > 883 +2%
Arabic Mohammad: 648 > 654 +1%
Hindu: 169 > 171  +1%
Buddha: 172 >169 -2%
Judaism: 52 > 63,5 +22%
Flat earth: 11,1 > 11,1 0%

Result of this statistics:

It is seem that people in the world generally re-orient themselves back to religions.

Especially the interest on Judaism continue to highly increasing related to the other beliefs. This is the most noticeable point in this statistic.

As an estimation, the number of the Flat Earth Believers are holding on 36.380.000. This is a bit amazing because according to google trends the interest to flat earth arrived to the top level.
Title: Re: December Statistics: 36 millions
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 05, 2017, 05:02:36 AM

Result of this statistics numbers that aren't related in any meaningful way:

There is no result or conclusion that can be drawn from this collection of unrelated numbers.
I fixed this up for you a little bit.  You're welcome.
Title: Re: December Statistics: 36 millions
Post by: wise on December 05, 2017, 05:07:39 AM

Result of this statistics numbers that aren't related in any meaningful way:

There is no result or conclusion that can be drawn from this collection of unrelated numbers.
I fixed this up for you a little bit.  You're welcome.

Sounds like a clone.
Title: Re: December Statistics: 36 millions
Post by: JackBlack on December 05, 2017, 01:28:25 PM
As an estimation, the number of the Flat Earth Believers are holding on 36.380.000.
And what is this estimation based upon?

This is a bit amazing because according to google trends the interest to flat earth arrived to the top level.
Not really.
It shows there may still be hope for humanity, that this FE nonsense is just a fad that will die like Myspace, unlike creationism.
Title: Correction o Calculating the number of believers (December 2017 update 2)
Post by: wise on December 06, 2017, 05:06:50 AM
Second Update of  December 2017 (correction)

I made this working because as I said that the previous data was suspicious. Although the interest in "google trends" at the top level of the year, general interest seem as non changed. So I made this second research.

Update of  06 December 2017 (correction)

Jesus 888.000.000 ↑
Bible 524.000.000 ↑
Christ 428.000.000 ↑

Islam 483.000.000  ↓
محمد. 656.000.000  محمد. ↑

Hindu 171.000.000  →

Buddha 170.000.000  ↑

Judaism 63.600.000 ↑

Flat earth  12.200.000 ↑↑

Compare with results in 04 December:

Result December 4 / December 6 (millions) / Increase or decrease the interest rate (+-)

Jesus: 883 > 888  +1 %
Arabic Mohammad: 654 >  656 +0 %
Hindu: 171 >  171 +-0 %
Buddha: 169 > 170 +1 %
Judaism: 63,5 > 63,6 +0 %
Flat earth: 11,1 > 12,2 + 10 %

Result of the statistics:

It seems the increased interest after congress have yet impacted to the statistics in google search.

According to these (corrected) statistics, the number of flat earth believers started to increase again and arrived to 39.985.000 (about 40 millions)
Title: Re: Correction o Calculating the number of believers (December 2017 update 2)
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 06, 2017, 05:51:17 AM
Result of the statisticsnumbers that aren't related in any meaningful way:

There is no result or conclusion that can be drawn from this collection of unrelated numbers.
Oops, looks like you made the same typo from earlier.  I corrected it again for you, but you should be more careful with your proofreading.
Title: Re: Correction o Calculating the number of believers (December 2017 update 2)
Post by: wise on December 06, 2017, 05:56:32 AM
Result of the statisticsnumbers that aren't related in any meaningful way:

There is no result or conclusion that can be drawn from this collection of unrelated numbers.
Oops, looks like you made the same typo from earlier.  I corrected it again for you, but you should be more careful with your proofreading.

If it is a joke, not funny. If you are serious, you are funny.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on December 06, 2017, 12:11:02 PM
I googled flat Earth to find this place, and I don't believe for a second that the Earth is flat.

Title: Re: Correction o Calculating the number of believers (December 2017 update 2)
Post by: JackBlack on December 06, 2017, 01:00:15 PM
According to these (corrected) statistics, the number of flat earth believers started to increase again and arrived to 39.985.000 (about 40 millions)
No it doesn't, and you still have no basis for that number.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on December 11, 2017, 05:09:21 PM
I googled flat Earth to find this place, and I don't believe for a second that the Earth is flat.

You googled it because maybe even on a subconscious level, the concept peaked your interest in it. Maybe even to the point where you for a fleeting moment become 'woke' to the reality of a flat earth.

Millions of people every day are googling flat earth. It is clearly something that people are thinking about and pondering.
Title: Upgrade 12 December 2017: 46,5 millions
Post by: wise on December 12, 2017, 05:23:22 AM
Third Update of  December 2017

Update of  12 December 2017

(https://i.hizliresim.com/GyjAkr.png)

Jesus 902.000.000 ↑

(https://i.hizliresim.com/LOjzg0.png)

محمد. 652.000.000  محمد. ↓

(https://i.hizliresim.com/WGjv14.png)

Hindu 172.000.000  ↑

(https://i.hizliresim.com/qJzkMq.png)

Buddha 983.000.000  ↑↑↑

(https://i.hizliresim.com/o6JW3R.png)

Judaism 61.500.000 ↓

(https://i.hizliresim.com/0G36DL.png)

Flat earth  14.200.000 ↑↑

Compare with results in 06 December:

Result December 6 / December 12 (millions) / Increase or decrease the interest rate (+-)

Jesus: 902 > 888  +2 %
Arabic Mohammad: 652 <  656 -1 %
Hindu: 172 >  171 +0 %
Buddha: 983 > 170 +478 %
Judaism: 61,5 < 63,6 -3 %
Flat earth: 14,2 > 12,2 + 16 %

Result of the statistics:

It seems the increased interest after congress have continue to impacted to the statistics in google search.

According to these (corrected) statistics, the number of flat earth believers started to increase again and arrived to 46,5 millions. This is the highest number of the believers.

It seems a combined results shown on buddha. Such as problems may be occurred.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6anqximvg1r4ccyio6_250.gif)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on December 12, 2017, 12:07:26 PM
Right, you aren't even doing how often it is searched, you are merely seeing how many results there are.
That doesn't indicate if people believe it.

This includes results which point out it is a load of crap.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on December 13, 2017, 02:56:38 AM
I googled flat Earth to find this place, and I don't believe for a second that the Earth is flat.

You googled it because maybe even on a subconscious level, the concept peaked your interest in it. Maybe even to the point where you for a fleeting moment become 'woke' to the reality of a flat earth.

Millions of people every day are googling flat earth. It is clearly something that people are thinking about and pondering.

no
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Macarios on December 13, 2017, 03:39:05 AM
You see?
Flat Earth is belief system. Religion. Otherwise people wouldn't have to compare it with other religions.
On the other hand, Globe Earth is based on facts.

FE is not based on measurements.
GE is based on measurements.

FE map can't be made. No way to show accurate proportions of distances on flat surface.
GE map can be made with accurate proportions on globe surface. On flat surface you can't maintain proportions accurately. Ever tried to cut and stretch ball to flatten it on table?

If the Earth was flat, it would be easy just to divide all distances with same number, let's say 1000 000, and draw it on flat paper to get good map of the whole Earth.
That would accurately show every kilometer in every direction as one millimeter, and all continents and oceans would keep their correct shapes.
Dividing with 10 000 000 would show every 10 kilometers as one millimeter, and so on.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on December 13, 2017, 03:53:24 AM
Come on, this is just a statistics aim to determine the number of flat earth believers with compared to the beliefs as religions. We may put any other thing instead of beliefs. The result doesn't change. It doesn't make a sence that compared to the beliefs to be religions or anything else. If you'll get convinced, we may do it by compared to the search term by NASA, will it make the term scientific?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Macarios on December 13, 2017, 03:58:11 AM
Come on, this is just a statistics aim to determine the number of flat earth believers with compared to the beliefs as religions. We may put any other thing instead of beliefs. The result doesn't change. It doesn't make a sence that compared to the beliefs to be religions or anything else. If you'll get convinced, we may do it by compared to the search term by NASA, will it make the term scientific?

Ok, ok, I apologize...
Go on.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on December 13, 2017, 04:22:22 AM
Ok, no problem. We may agree it as an irony. ;)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Curious Squirrel on December 13, 2017, 06:13:14 AM
Come on, this is just a statistics aim to determine the number of flat earth believers with compared to the beliefs as religions. We may put any other thing instead of beliefs. The result doesn't change. It doesn't make a sence that compared to the beliefs to be religions or anything else. If you'll get convinced, we may do it by compared to the search term by NASA, will it make the term scientific?
Nope, won't make it anymore scientific, because the method is flawed at it's core. You're not getting useful data here.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on December 13, 2017, 02:08:52 PM
Come on, this is just a statistics aim to determine the number of flat earth believers with compared to the beliefs as religions. We may put any other thing instead of beliefs. The result doesn't change. It doesn't make a sence that compared to the beliefs to be religions or anything else. If you'll get convinced, we may do it by compared to the search term by NASA, will it make the term scientific?
And it is a fundamentally flawed method which is unable to do that.
You are just looking at the number of search results.
That does not indicate how many people are interested in it or how many people believe it is true.

How about we do some more shall we:
Star Trek - 105,000,000
Star Wars - 438,000,000
Fairies - 172,000,000
limes - 674,000,000
pineapple - 200,000,000
pineapples - 41,500,000
Axolotl - 3,530,000
Congolese spotted lion - 401,000
Apple - 2,150,000,000
4-40 nut - 522,000

Does this mean more people believe in Star Trek than believe in pineapples?
And more people believe in pineapple, than pineapples?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on December 13, 2017, 02:58:16 PM
You are comparing 'things' to belief systems. Your argument is flawed and thus nullified
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on December 13, 2017, 10:55:45 PM
You are comparing 'things' to belief systems. Your argument is flawed and thus nullified
Yes, things like Jesus, Buddha, Hindu and Flat Earth.
Why group Judaism in?
Title: Number of believers 41 millions in February 2018
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 12:47:20 AM
Update 11 February 2018

Jesus 882.000.000
محمد. 600.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 179.000.000
Buddha 177.000.000
Judaism 48.000.000
flat earth 13.100.000

Comparing to the last statistics:
Jesus 882 < 902
Hindu 179 > 172
Buddha 177 > 170 (Last value od buddha doesn't get considered. Perhaps it is caused by a system problem in google)
Judaism 48 < 61,5
flat earth 13,1<14,2

Calculating the number of believers:

2,2b 31 %christ
1,6b muslim 23%
1,1b atheist
1 billions hindu
500 millions budist
14 millions jew
400 millions other religions

total: 6,8 billions.
today: 7,4billions.
increase rate since that statistics: 7,4/6,8= 1,118

Average interest/number of believer rate:

Total interest: 882+600+179+177+48=1.886
Number of believers of these religions= 5.300

Average number of believers / intereset rate: 2,81
Average increase rate: 1,118
Average interest to flat earth: 13.100.000

Real number of flat earth believers: 13.100.000*1,118*2,81=

41.154.698
Title: Re: Number of believers 41 millions in February 2018
Post by: Macarios on February 11, 2018, 01:20:50 AM
Update 11 February 2018

Jesus 882.000.000
محمد. 600.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 179.000.000
Buddha 177.000.000
Judaism 48.000.000
flat earth 13.100.000

Comparing to the last statistics:
Jesus 882 < 902
Hindu 179 > 172
Buddha 177 > 170 (Last value od buddha doesn't get considered. Perhaps it is caused by a system problem in google)
Judaism 48 < 61,5
flat earth 13,1<14,2

Calculating the number of believers:

2,2b 31 %christ
1,6b muslim 23%
1,1b atheist
1 billions hindu
500 millions budist
14 millions jew
400 millions other religions

total: 6,8 billions.
today: 7,4billions.
increase rate since that statistics: 7,4/6,8= 1,118

Average interest/number of believer rate:

Total interest: 882+600+179+177+48=1.886
Number of believers of these religions= 5.300

Average number of believers / intereset rate: 2,81
Average increase rate: 1,118
Average interest to flat earth: 13.100.000

Real number of flat earth believers: 13.100.000*1,118*2,81=

41.154.698

This confirms Flat Earth to be just a belief system.
If we combine this with list of all things that have to be denied for Flat Earth to be believed in, it gives us deeper insight.
Title: Re: Number of believers 41 millions in February 2018
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 09:54:24 PM
Update 11 February 2018

Jesus 882.000.000
محمد. 600.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 179.000.000
Buddha 177.000.000
Judaism 48.000.000
flat earth 13.100.000

Comparing to the last statistics:
Jesus 882 < 902
Hindu 179 > 172
Buddha 177 > 170 (Last value od buddha doesn't get considered. Perhaps it is caused by a system problem in google)
Judaism 48 < 61,5
flat earth 13,1<14,2

Calculating the number of believers:

2,2b 31 %christ
1,6b muslim 23%
1,1b atheist
1 billions hindu
500 millions budist
14 millions jew
400 millions other religions

total: 6,8 billions.
today: 7,4billions.
increase rate since that statistics: 7,4/6,8= 1,118

Average interest/number of believer rate:

Total interest: 882+600+179+177+48=1.886
Number of believers of these religions= 5.300

Average number of believers / intereset rate: 2,81
Average increase rate: 1,118
Average interest to flat earth: 13.100.000

Real number of flat earth believers: 13.100.000*1,118*2,81=

41.154.698

This confirms Flat Earth to be just a belief system.
If we combine this with list of all things that have to be denied for Flat Earth to be believed in, it gives us deeper insight.

I may add there NASA; so will it be the comfirmation of the NASA's to be a belief system in your childish mind?
Title: Re: Number of believers 41 millions in February 2018
Post by: Macarios on February 11, 2018, 11:41:35 PM
Update 11 February 2018

Jesus 882.000.000
محمد. 600.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 179.000.000
Buddha 177.000.000
Judaism 48.000.000
flat earth 13.100.000

Comparing to the last statistics:
Jesus 882 < 902
Hindu 179 > 172
Buddha 177 > 170 (Last value od buddha doesn't get considered. Perhaps it is caused by a system problem in google)
Judaism 48 < 61,5
flat earth 13,1<14,2

Calculating the number of believers:

2,2b 31 %christ
1,6b muslim 23%
1,1b atheist
1 billions hindu
500 millions budist
14 millions jew
400 millions other religions

total: 6,8 billions.
today: 7,4billions.
increase rate since that statistics: 7,4/6,8= 1,118

Average interest/number of believer rate:

Total interest: 882+600+179+177+48=1.886
Number of believers of these religions= 5.300

Average number of believers / intereset rate: 2,81
Average increase rate: 1,118
Average interest to flat earth: 13.100.000

Real number of flat earth believers: 13.100.000*1,118*2,81=

41.154.698

This confirms Flat Earth to be just a belief system.
If we combine this with list of all things that have to be denied for Flat Earth to be believed in, it gives us deeper insight.

I may add there NASA; so will it be the comfirmation of the NASA's to be a belief system in your childish mind?

Adding NASA to the list of denial just additionally emhasizes the point.
Title: Re: Number of believers 41 millions in February 2018
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 12:42:49 AM
Update 11 February 2018

Jesus 882.000.000
محمد. 600.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 179.000.000
Buddha 177.000.000
Judaism 48.000.000
flat earth 13.100.000

Comparing to the last statistics:
Jesus 882 < 902
Hindu 179 > 172
Buddha 177 > 170 (Last value od buddha doesn't get considered. Perhaps it is caused by a system problem in google)
Judaism 48 < 61,5
flat earth 13,1<14,2

Calculating the number of believers:

2,2b 31 %christ
1,6b muslim 23%
1,1b atheist
1 billions hindu
500 millions budist
14 millions jew
400 millions other religions

total: 6,8 billions.
today: 7,4billions.
increase rate since that statistics: 7,4/6,8= 1,118

Average interest/number of believer rate:

Total interest: 882+600+179+177+48=1.886
Number of believers of these religions= 5.300

Average number of believers / intereset rate: 2,81
Average increase rate: 1,118
Average interest to flat earth: 13.100.000

Real number of flat earth believers: 13.100.000*1,118*2,81=

41.154.698

This confirms Flat Earth to be just a belief system.
If we combine this with list of all things that have to be denied for Flat Earth to be believed in, it gives us deeper insight.

I may add there NASA; so will it be the comfirmation of the NASA's to be a belief system in your childish mind?

Adding NASA to the list of denial just additionally emhasizes the point.

If you agree NASA as a belief, so surely.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Cartog on February 17, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
It's a statistic allright but it's a long long stretch to imagine the number of viewings/visits bears any relationship to the total of FE believers.

I'd bet a lot of these viewings are (1) repeat visits by the same people, and (2) a very substantial proportion - probably a majority - of these visits are people who a merely curious, who want to see if there are literate people who seriously believe in a flat earth and why kind of arguments & evidence they have, or (3) also a very substantial proportion, visits from people who want a good laugh at Flat Earthers.

My own estimate is that the number of true believers in a Flat Earth who are also members of this forum number in the few hundreds, possibly less than 300 (the other members like to argue for a Round Earth).  Outside this forum the "believers" probably include people who are not literate enough to handle a computer or are otherwise so benighted that you'd be embarrassed to count them as teammates.
Title: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2018, 84 millions)
Post by: wise on April 03, 2018, 12:37:59 AM
Update April 3, 2018

Jesus 256.000.000
محمد. 159.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 179.000.000
buddha 45.700.000
Judaism 23.200.000
flat earth 8.280.000
NASA 74.900.000

It is caused by maybe an update, so that the general searching rates are decreased. So that, we need another calculations for define the number of search/number of belief relevance.

Total search: 746.080.000
Total population: 7.615.000.000

Populatin /search number: 7.615/746= 10.2 people per search.

Number of flat earth believers: 8.280.000 x 10,2 = 84.456.000

It seems about 2 times more than the number in February.

This is caused by, either really the number of believers are increased, and/or the calculation method is changed.

Round2: Comparing believers of NASA and FE.

We may compare nasa and the flat earth society for comparing the people's interest:

Search results of:

NASA: 74.900.000
Flat earth society: 8.810.000 (decreased only 10.000. it means, almost everyone search the flat earth society who has searched the flat earth)

Total number: 83.710.000

NASA: 74.900/83.710= 89%
Flat earth society: 8.810/83.710= 11%

NASA/Flat Earth Society= 74.900/8.810= 8,5

Total number of NASA and FE believers

Total number of FE believers: 84.456.000
Total number of NASA believers: 84.456.000 * 8,5 = 717.876.000

People interest either NASA or FE theory: 802.332.000
People do not interest neither NASA nor FE theory: 6.812.668.000

If we pre agree, every man "have to believe either NASA, or FE theory", we may find out the increased values.

INCREASED VALUES FOR NASA AND THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY

Real believers of:

NASA: 717.876.000
Flat earth Society: 84.456.000
Total believers of either NASA of FE society: 802.332.000

Total human population of the world: 7.615.000.000

NASA believers (irresolutes are divided): 6.813.421.000
The Flat Earth Society believers: (irresolutes are divided): 801.579.000
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on April 03, 2018, 07:01:56 AM
Success graph of the flat earth society against NASA, considering the numbers in the google trends

Google trends shows us the general tendency of the people.

It doesn't publish the tendency by years, but we may calculate it by estimate as follow:

Comparing the trends for "last 5 year", "last year", "last 3 months", "last month" and "last week".

NASA/FE interests in:

Last 5 years: 16/1=16

(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JOZ21.png)

Last 1 year: 18/2 = 9

(https://i.hizliresim.com/0EJp8W.png)

Last day: 36/6 = 6

(https://i.hizliresim.com/D7g5R6.png)

Now. We see the general tendency of the Flat earth is arrived at 1/6. It was about 1/7 in 3 months ago. In 3 months, the interest to the FE theory increased about 17%.

Now. Lets try to draw a graph of show us general increase rate of the flat earth belief.

For this, we must extract the recent values from old ones. We'll not examine it and use basic methods:

Today:6
Last year: 9
So>> 1 year ago: 12

1 year ago: 12
Last 5 years: 16
So>> 5 years ago: 20 (year 2013)

So>> 4 years ago: 18 (year 2014)
So>> 3 years ago: 16 (year 2015)
So>> 2 years ago: 14 (year 2016)
So>> 1 year ago : 12 (year 2017)

Now we may draw the graph as follow:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/Z9ozO3.png)

We may define the point of intersection as an estimate as follow (the 1 value of the graph)

This can be taken as a 2nd parabol by considering start, one of middle and the end points:

(2013; 0,05)
(2015; 0,0625)
(2018; 0,1818)

So;

( ?.. ; 1,00)

Y= aX²+ BX+c

2013= a(0,05)²+b(0,05)+C
2015=a(0,0625)²+b(0,0625)+C
2018=a(0,1818)²+b(0,1818)+C

(https://i.hizliresim.com/jybrPD.png)

In 2025, number of believers become equal to infidels of NASA. This is later from my estimation was about 2020-2021. Sad. We should do something to improve the process.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on April 03, 2018, 07:06:27 AM
Search does not equal belief.

Just look at your "believers" forum!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: dutchy on April 03, 2018, 07:27:28 AM
Search does not equal belief.

Just look at your "believers" forum!
We consider you as frequent member to be a flatearth sympathizer...those are also practical in spreading the message !
Keep up the good work Htlay <-- if you pronounce that a certain way it sounds like that guy from Germany  ;D
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on April 03, 2018, 02:38:07 PM
Search does not equal belief.

Just look at your "believers" forum!
We consider you as frequent member to be a flatearth sympathizer...those are also practical in spreading the message !
Yes, those are also practical in spreading the message that the flat earth is a recent quite ridiculous invention!

And, just look what you find in that believers section:
Quote from: sandokhan
The new radical chronology of history:
• each and every event assumed to have taken place prior to 1780 AD has been totally forged/invented/falsified.
• History is just some 365 years old (I started with a figure of 500 years, and slowly reduced the period to 364-365 years).
• Christ was crucified at Constantinople some 260 years ago, and
• the falsification of each and every known religious text begun soon after, in the period 1775-1790 AD.
• The Deluge occurred some 310 years ago; while the dinosaurs were created a few decades earlier,
• after Adam and Eve joined the one million pairs of humans which already were living beyond the Garden of Eden.
Read more ;) enlightening information ;) in: Sandokhan, Advanced Flat Earth Theory « on: July 14, 2009, 11:59:41 PM » (http://)
Even Lord Wilmore, Vice President makes this interesting comment:
Quote
Whilst I greatly admire your research and the wealth of information you have accumulated, I do perhaps think that calling this a 'new FAQ' is perhaps unnecessarily controversial. I would certainly support it as an alternative theory, but I do think that presenting it as the de facto new FAQ is perhaps as wise. The information is of great value (I am especially interested in the idea of the Antichone), but it is important that we respect the different viewpoints many FE'ers hold.
And the Antichone is ;D Complete Nonsense ;D and >:(  Angry Ranting >:(.

If you need some light entertainment try, Results of my study (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=4943.0)

And you sound so ridiculous with your claims that you must turn hordes away from the idea of a Pancake Planet.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 03, 2018, 05:03:53 PM

Keep up the good work Htlay <-- if you pronounce that a certain way it sounds like that guy from Germany  ;D

Well, you used  ;D , so  ::) ?    :)

Title: Calculating the number of believers (as of last April 2018, 78 millions)
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 03:13:58 AM
Update April 24, 2018
Jesus 273.000.000
محمد. 177.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 57.900.000
buddha 51.300.000
Judaism 23.800.000
flat earth 7.540.000

Number of believers:

Christian 2.300.000.000
islam 1.800.000.000
Hindu 900.000.000
flat earth ?

Comparing christianity:

7.540/273.000 *2.300.000.000= 63.523.000

Comparing islam:

7.540/177.000*1.800.000.000= 76.677.000

Comparing hinduism:

7.540/57.900 *900.000.000= 117.200.000

Considered 3 religion total number: 5.000.000.000

Calculating the average number of flat earth believers:

(2,3/5)*63.523.000 + (1,8/5)*76.667.000 + (0,9/5)*117.200.000 = 77.917.000

It was 84 millions in 3th April.

As a result;

Number of believers are decreased to 78 millions from 84 millions in 21 days. We should focus on the reasons of this event.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on April 24, 2018, 03:51:06 AM
Maybe they went out and did some experimenting on their own? Could that be it?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 07:17:03 AM
This drop is a big concern for me.  I think we need to get down to the facts immediately.  We won't know for sure why people are straying away from flat earth until we interview each person one by one.  Brotherhood of the dome, you're doing excellent work.  I need you to interview 1,000 people and compare the number of deceived round earth believers with those who know the truth.  Please return your findings to this forum immediately.  We will simply multiply your results by 7.6 million to get the total number of flat earth believers.

Thanks brotherhood.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 24, 2018, 08:57:14 AM
Keep up the good work Htlay <-- if you pronounce that a certain way it sounds like that guy from Germany  ;D
If you pronounce "dutchy" a certain way it sounds like that guy from Germany.  ::)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on April 24, 2018, 09:06:23 AM
To me it sounds more like the guy from Italy.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 01:18:48 PM
Maybe they went out and did some experimenting on their own? Could that be it?

So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on April 24, 2018, 01:39:12 PM
I don't know. Maybe?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 25, 2018, 01:25:53 PM
I've spent the last 17 hours straight trying to determine a more accurate measurement system to account for all of the flat earthers, but the "number of videos" seems to be standing up to all of my tests.

For those who are attempting to revolutionize our tracking metrics as well, I'm going to list my methods that were unsuccessful down below, so that you don't waste your time and can learn from my mistakes.

1) Number of comments on YouTube. This may prove to be accurate, but the data retrevial is the model's biggest flaw. I had to hand count each comment and 4 hours in, I realized I've only parsed through 7 videos.

2) Number of memes. Taking the standard correlation of 8.4, one can determine that every meme posted in regards to flat earth shows some type of belief, or desire to believe. I just can't account for the total number of memes.

3) Number of tacos sold in America in 1987. This number remains static and provides no relevance to flat earth believers.

I think it's safe to say "number of videos" is the gold standard for quantifying the number of flat earth believers.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 10, 2018, 02:51:24 PM

Jesus 242.000.000 ↓
محمد. 181.000.000  محمد. ↑
Hindu 56.000.000  ↓
buddha 52.800.000 ↑
Judaism 22.400.000 ↓
flat earth 6.920.000 ↓

Sounds like there is decreasing the belief on Jesus, Hindu, Judaism and flat earth. On the other hand, intereset to islam and buddha is increasing.

Sounds like American politics in middle east caused people direct to islam religion. On the other hand, the unjustice actions made by christian countries sound like caused people to move away from Jesus. Anyway. Lets calculate.

Number of believers:

Christian 2.300.000.000
islam 1.800.000.000
Hindu 900.000.000
flat earth ?

Comparing christianity:

6.920/242.000 *2.300.000.000= 65.767.000

Comparing islam:

6.920/181.000*1.800.000.000= 69.584.000

Comparing hinduism:

6.920/56.000 *900.000.000= 111.214.000

Considered 3 religion total number: 5.000.000.000

Calculating the average number of flat earth believers:

(2,3/5)*65.767.000 + (1,8/5)*69.584.000 + (0,9/5)*111.214.000 = 75.321.580

In April 24, it was 77.917.000.

So, number of believers are decreased about 2 million in 17 days.

As I last month said, we still have to focus on the affects of this decreasing.

At least, we are sure about 1% of the world's population is believe the flat earth. it is not a success. but they are as crowded as they can not destroy. there is no need to loose our morale. we can make up for that loss.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on May 10, 2018, 03:00:18 PM
Maybe they went out and did some experimenting on their own? Could that be it?

So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?

Source?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 10, 2018, 10:54:20 PM
Maybe they went out and did some experimenting on their own? Could that be it?

So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?

Source?

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on May 11, 2018, 03:16:18 AM
So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?

Source?

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 11, 2018, 03:59:01 AM
So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?

Source?

But the question is more related with rvlvr. He should ask to him. If you volunteer, you should answer.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on May 11, 2018, 04:34:33 AM
Sorry I missed this.

I just speculated as to the reason for the massive drop in FE believers based on brotherhood's numbers. I'd say the most probable reason would be they looked around, and saw FE theory holds no water. They might have been the ones who got on board because of the pro-FE NBA players, then, as they folded, so did they. These things can be a fad for some.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 11, 2018, 06:03:33 AM
my source:

Sorry I missed this.

I just speculated as to the reason for the massive drop in FE believers based on brotherhood's numbers. I'd say the most probable reason would be they looked around, and saw FE theory holds no water. They might have been the ones who got on board because of the pro-FE NBA players, then, as they folded, so did they. These things can be a fad for some.

:)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on May 11, 2018, 07:03:58 AM
Honestly, I didn't see that BotD had quoed anyone in the post I querried. So, my bad.

Still, I postulate that 90% of internet searches for "flat Earth" are people of the " no WAY is this really a thing" mindset.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: WestToEastEastToWest on May 11, 2018, 07:31:56 AM
I think following Flat Earth Theory to be part of a debating club and believing the earth to be flat are two different things. I imagine the latter is a much smaller group.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on May 11, 2018, 09:51:35 AM
Curiosity about a thing = belief in a thing?

Where do you get these ideas?

-- Believerer and believerer
Title: Calculating the number of believers (as of September 2018, 764 millions)
Post by: wise on September 12, 2018, 09:29:16 AM
September 2018 search details:

Jesus 1.060.000.000
محمد. 624.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 159.000.000
judaism 45.900.000
flat earth 368.000.000

Compare with October 2017

Jesus 868.000.000 to 1.060.000.000 ↑
محمد. 648.000.000 to 624.000.000  محمد. ↓
Hindu 169.000.000 t0 159.000.000 ↓
Judaism 52.000.000  to 45.900.000 ↓
flat earth 11.100.000 to 368.000.000 ↑↑↑↑↑

calculating number of believers:

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.060.000.000
Search to flat earth: 368.000.000
Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:

2.200.000.000 x 368.000.000 / 1.060.000.000 = 763.775.585

It was 40 million at October 2017

Number of flat earth believers have increased about 20 times in a year and arrived about 10% of world population, that we verified it by different sources and methods.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on September 12, 2018, 11:03:47 AM
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: dutchy on September 12, 2018, 11:30:29 AM
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.
You should correct your friend rabinoz, because he is certainly of the opinion that a Google search is the trump card that rules all debate. ::)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on September 12, 2018, 12:36:40 PM
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.

Not only google search, but google search, web search, youtube search, facebook and other so and so searches prove that 10% people are thinking the earth is flat; whatever you say can't change the reality. You only try to deceive me, what does it give you? Nothing. You are just closing your eyes to reality!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on September 12, 2018, 12:40:33 PM
No, it means 10% of the globe are incredulous to the very idea that there people who believe this crap!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on September 12, 2018, 02:14:25 PM
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.
You should correct your friend rabinoz, because he is certainly of the opinion that a Google search is the trump card that rules all debate. ::)
Don't be an idiot! I know that there is as much disinformation on the internet as useful information.
Just look at all the ridiculous Flat Earth YouTube videos by totally ignorant priests of this silly neo-Flat-Earthism religion.
See the pure drivel from Jeranism and Eric Dubay  with the rock bottom probably being :o D. Marble :o!

But when one knows where to look the internet is a good source of information and stops ignorant people making silly statements about ;D ;D ;D Eratosthenes and his sticks ;D ;D and the like.

So, dutchy, what you  imagine to be true "does not equate belief in a subject" either.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of September 2018, 764 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on September 12, 2018, 02:23:38 PM
We'll use same method that we always use.
You mean that fundamentally flawed method which will only produce complete garbage?
So your claim remains as complete garbage.
You have still failed to calculate the number of believers.

As has been told to you so many times already, YOU CAN'T USE SEARCH NUMBERS TO CALCULATE BELIEVERS!
All the search numbers indicate are the number of searches for the topic.
This could be from people that believe, people looking to learn more, people looking to ridicule, people looking for memes, people surprised that such garbage exists and so on.
The numbers can also go up by people searching more often.

So you have no indication of the number of believers.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Smoke Machine on September 12, 2018, 02:27:31 PM
There's no way of calculating the number of world-wide flat earth believers. People need a good laugh in the high stress world we live in.

What you are saying, wise, sounds like you're describing the zombie apocalypse.

How many people actually attended the last flat earth conference? About two hundred people - most of which weren't believers, but were either lost in life or curious? Not exactly seven and sixty million, was it?

If you want to gaze into the vacant eyes of a zombie, have a look at any video featuring flat earther extraordinaire - Mark Sargent.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of September 2018, 764 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on September 12, 2018, 03:33:50 PM
We'll use same method that we always use.
You mean that fundamentally flawed method which will only produce complete garbage?
So your claim remains as complete garbage.
You have still failed to calculate the number of believers.

As has been told to you so many times already, YOU CAN'T USE SEARCH NUMBERS TO CALCULATE BELIEVERS!
All the search numbers indicate are the number of searches for the topic.
This could be from people that believe, people looking to learn more, people looking to ridicule, people looking for memes, people surprised that such garbage exists and so on.
The numbers can also go up by people searching more often.

So you have no indication of the number of believers.

Oh yeah??? So where is your method then? You may not believe, that's your choice. But you must acknowledge there are those that do for whatever reason

So do tell us how many believers you think are in existence in a method that you believe is not rubbish then

Otherwise why are you here simply hanging shit on someone who is at least trying. That is all you are doing and it is a dick move. At least contribute with your own method and answer to rebut it
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of September 2018, 764 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on September 12, 2018, 11:27:24 PM
Oh yeah??? So where is your method then? You may not believe, that's your choice. But you must acknowledge there are those that do for whatever reason

So do tell us how many believers you think are in existence in a method that you believe is not rubbish then

Otherwise why are you here simply hanging shit on someone who is at least trying. That is all you are doing and it is a dick move. At least contribute with your own method and answer to rebut it
No, what I am doing is not a dick move at all.

The only reasonable method would be a poll where the answers are anonymous and that would only provide an estimate from the region covered by the poll.

Admitting you don't know is vastly better than spouting pure garbage.
What he is doing is no better than just pulling a number out of thin air.
I wouldn't call what he is doing "trying".
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Gumwars on September 12, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.

Not only google search, but google search, web search, youtube search, facebook and other so and so searches prove that 10% people are thinking the earth is flat; whatever you say can't change the reality. You only try to deceive me, what does it give you? Nothing. You are just closing your eyes to reality!

So, what I search for using the internet implies what I believe in?  Did I read that right?  You actually believe that what people search for using Google indicates they believe it to be true?

Then, using your methodology, it logically follows that whatever I search for on the internet must be true.  Therefore anything that is searched for on the internet must necessarily be true.

You do realize how flawed this methodology is, right?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: dutchy on September 13, 2018, 12:24:54 AM
If you want to gaze into the vacant eyes of a zombie, have a look at any video featuring flat earther extraordinaire - Mark Sargent.
Yeah,..... compare that to an eloquent speaker like Neil deGrasse Tyson .
Powerfull but simple enough to reach out to a much broader audience besides the scientific community.
He is also an important guest at the Joe Rogan podcast to shed some light in the dark of internet idiocy and conspiracies in general.
His relationship with Joe seems genuinely friendly and one must realise that Neil’s reputation is at risk here.....
But in order to reach out to tin foil hats is a testimony that the gospel of modern scientism should be heard in every corner of the internet.

His demonstration of gravity in front of an eager audience comes to mind as another highlight.
One of his fine performances where science, humor and simple facts were combined in a stunning and verifiable LIVE performance.
Loosely demonstrating the combined active forces at work on globe earth that left flathearthers in tatters.....when Neil dropped a mic on the floor (while he had barely finished eating a juicy fat burger)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on September 13, 2018, 12:30:37 AM
Here’s where ‘Merica stands as of February, 2018:

(https://i.imgur.com/zPfLmKk.png)

https://today.yougov.com/topics/philosophy/articles-reports/2018/04/02/most-flat-earthers-consider-themselves-religious
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on September 13, 2018, 12:36:53 AM
Okay so if there are 325 million people in America (2017) and 5% of them are believers (some having doubts but still believing somewhat) That means in America alone there are

325,000,000 x 0.05 = 16,250,000 flat earthers in America right now. This result is just for America. There remains to be the rest of the world

Is this sort of study more appropriate to you Jack? Are you happy to believe there could be over 16 million flat earth believers in America?

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on September 13, 2018, 12:51:26 AM
325,000,000 x 0.05 = 16,250,000 flat earthers in America right now. This result is just for America. There remains to be the rest of the world

I'm not sure how to go about extrapolating to the rest of the world. But easily up into the 100m+ range I suspect.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on September 13, 2018, 12:58:46 AM
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.

Not only google search, but google search, web search, youtube search, facebook and other so and so searches prove that 10% people are thinking the earth is flat; whatever you say can't change the reality. You only try to deceive me, what does it give you? Nothing. You are just closing your eyes to reality!
I note that your OP contains:
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So; number of believers should be between 4 millions to 61 millions.

As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30 633 000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.
Sorry, but statistics can easily be made to lie or in this case be unintentionally quite misleading.

Even if your method was valid, you end with a spread of 4 million to 61 million so there is no way anyone can have confidence in your average of about 31 million.

I don't think that you have any idea about confidence limits, etc. Either that or you've been studying:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/517lvSTXy4L._SX373_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
How to Lie with Statistics Reissue Edition, by Darrell Huff (Author), Irving Geis (Illustrator) (https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728) Hardcover \$14.24
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on September 13, 2018, 01:38:42 AM
This from a Gallup poll in 1999 (scary):

As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun, or does the sun revolve around the earth?

Earth revolves around the sun   79%
Sun revolves around the earth   18%
No opinion                                   3%

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-general-knowledge-levels.aspx
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on September 13, 2018, 01:57:12 AM
From Google Trends, keywords: 'flat earth’
2013 - 2018

Of course, as others have pointed out, certainly no indication of ‘belief’, just interest, which obviously includes lots and lots of REr's like me possessed with morbid curiosity.

And I bet you can map each one of those spikes to rappers, b-ball players talking about FE, the dude with the steam powered rocket, what's his name parachuting from way on high, tesla in space, google maps switching to a globe view, etc.

(https://i.imgur.com/aytCNDB.png)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on September 13, 2018, 02:07:24 AM
Is this sort of study more appropriate to you Jack? Are you happy to believe there could be over 16 million flat earth believers in America?
Yes, this study is vastly more appropriate, but is limited to the US and you would have significant difficulty extrapolating to other locations.
With all the nonsense from the US while I wouldn't say it makes me happy, I am quite willing to accept that loads of them believe lots of nonsense.
Plenty even think such delusional nonsense as Earth being created in 6 days by a magic sky fairy.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: dutchy on September 13, 2018, 12:24:00 PM
Is this sort of study more appropriate to you Jack? Are you happy to believe there could be over 16 million flat earth believers in America?
Yes, this study is vastly more appropriate, but is limited to the US and you would have significant difficulty extrapolating to other locations.
With all the nonsense from the US while I wouldn't say it makes me happy, I am quite willing to accept that loads of them believe lots of nonsense.
Plenty even think such delusional nonsense as Earth being created in 6 days by a magic sky fairy.
I think you should minimise your efforts at the reddit atheist's (magic sky fairy) forums Jacky...obviously it's not emotionally healthy for you.
But then again this place seems to charge you with negativity also.....
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 14, 2018, 05:26:19 AM
October 2018 search results

Jesus 1.410.000.000
محمد. 777.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 256.000.000
judaism 53.900.000
flat earth 406.000.000
nasa 334.000.000

calculating number of believers in October 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.410.000.000
Search to flat earth: 406.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 406.000.000 / 1.410.000.000 = 633.475.177
Number of nasa believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 334.000.000 / 1.410.000.000= 521.134.751

Number of believers was 763.775.585 in September 2018.

In other say, number of believers have 17% decreased in one month.

We did not examine the NASA believers in past month, so that we can not compare changing the number of NASA believers.

A short look to interest in google trends

Google trends can not give us a number of believer. But it, like its name, gives us an idea about the "trend" in the world.

According to "web search":
(https://image.ibb.co/nq7dTp/1.png)
Flat earth:17
NASA: 77

(https://image.ibb.co/daEWg9/2.png)
Flat Earth: 76
NASA: 53

In short;

Number of believers of the flat earth in October 2018 is 633.475.177, by decreasing 17% compared to September 2018.

We have to focus on this decreasing reality, what has caused it. Perhaps we have to focus more research instead of playing game.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on October 14, 2018, 05:45:14 AM
October 2018 search results

Jesus 1.410.000.000
محمد. 777.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 256.000.000
judaism 53.900.000
flat earth 406.000.000
nasa 334.000.000

calculating number of believers in October 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.
Sure and it was wrong then and will still be wrong.

Quote from: wise
Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.410.000.000
Search to flat earth: 406.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 406.000.000 / 1.410.000.000 = 633.475.177
Number of nasa believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 334.000.000 / 1.410.000.000= 521.134.751

Number of believers was 763.775.585 in September 2018.

In other say, number of believers have 17% decreased in one month.

We did not examine the NASA believers in past month, so that we can not compare changing the number of NASA believers.

A short look to interest in google trends

Google trends can not give us a number of believer. But it, like its name, gives us an idea about the "trend" in the world.

No, it doesn't! Searches on Google could just as easily be people like myself who are researching flat earth rubbish to assist in debunking it.

Your method is total ribbish and it might show "interest" but that might bear no relation to the number of flat earth believers.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 14, 2018, 12:51:42 PM
You know you'll not get a reply to your post since you have seperated my upper post, don't you?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 14, 2018, 01:23:27 PM
October 2018 search results
Are still not indicative of how many believe.

In short;
Your methodology is fundamentally flawed and does not allow you to determine the conclusions you are trying to.

You might be able to determine interest, but not belief. Someone searching for X does not mean they believe in X. Someone not searching for X doesn't mean they don't believe in X.

You know you'll not get a reply to your post since you have seperated my upper post, don't you?
And even if we don't you still wont rationally respond to what has been said. You ignore anyone who you can't refute.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on October 14, 2018, 04:03:06 PM
You know you'll not get a reply to your post since you have seperated my upper post, don't you?
Tough cheese, who cares? But you always ignore the truth!

But on this topic, I searched for "Nibiru will collide with earth" and there were "About 189,000 results".
Is this the slightest clue that anything like 189,000 people believe that "Nibiru will collide with earth"?

Many of the matches are explaining how the belief in Nibiru colliding with the earth is complete nonsense.
It is, however, not really such complete nonsense as believing "that the earth is flat" because there could easily be another planet but
the earth has been believed to be a Globe for over 2 millennia and there is now such overwhelming evidence that the Globe can be considered an undeniable fact!.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on October 14, 2018, 04:44:54 PM
Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 406.000.000 / 1.410.000.000 = 633.475.177
Number of nasa believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 334.000.000 / 1.410.000.000= 521.134.751

Wise, I started to go back through the 7 pages of this, sorry, got distracted/bored.

How did you derive the ratio of 1.410.000.000 again? To Jesus versus NASA search queries, etc.?

Maybe if you could repost a concise methodology with your reasoning for derivation as your preamble to the bottom-line statistical analysis, we could track appropriately. Right now, it's kind of a garbled mess of inference and religious belief benchmarks. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 14, 2018, 04:53:00 PM
You know you'll not get a reply to your post since you have seperated my upper post, don't you?
Tough cheese, who cares? But you always ignore the truth!

But on this topic, I searched for "Nibiru will collide with earth" and there were "About 189,000 results".
Is this the slightest clue that anything like 189,000 people believe that "Nibiru will collide with earth"?

Many of the matches are explaining how the belief in Nibiru colliding with the earth is complete nonsense.
It is, however, not really such complete nonsense as believing "that the earth is flat" because there could easily be another planet but
the earth has been believed to be a Globe for over 2 millennia and there is now such overwhelming evidence that the Globe can be considered an undeniable fact!.

You guys do realize that those result numbers are estimates of number results and do no equate to number of queries.  Google admits they aren't accurate.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on October 14, 2018, 11:12:35 PM
You guys do realize that those result numbers are estimates of number results and do no equate to number of queries.  Google admits they aren't accurate.

Utterly and completely. Just trying to level set the madness.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 15, 2018, 12:09:03 AM
Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 406.000.000 / 1.410.000.000 = 633.475.177
Number of nasa believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 334.000.000 / 1.410.000.000= 521.134.751

Wise, I started to go back through the 7 pages of this, sorry, got distracted/bored.

How did you derive the ratio of 1.410.000.000 again? To Jesus versus NASA search queries, etc.?

Maybe if you could repost a concise methodology with your reasoning for derivation as your preamble to the bottom-line statistical analysis, we could track appropriately. Right now, it's kind of a garbled mess of inference and religious belief benchmarks. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I have explained it as ratio between number of believer and number of search.

This is what @rab denies:

If you search something, so you have an interest about it. There is 1.400.000.000 search for Jesus. Are all these 1.400.000.000 believing jesus? No.some of them believe, some of them curious, and some of them try to "disprove jesus" and search opposite material. Flat earth is so too.

In this working, I am taking same ratio of belief-search relationship. Until today, my results are compatibled with the reality. Public polls support this result. When I was saying believers 2% of rest, it was so according to polls. If you create a poll today, so be sure you'll find 9% some today. It was 10% in september. It has not to be definitely 9%. It may be 8 or 10 too. But it gives us a good estimation.

All have a logical logic.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on October 15, 2018, 12:17:38 AM
All have a logical logic.

What does Jesus have to do with all this?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 15, 2018, 12:21:33 AM
All have a logical logic.

What does Jesus have to do with all this?

Statistics.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 15, 2018, 02:58:59 AM
In this working, I am taking same ratio of belief-search relationship.
And that relationship is far from static. It will vary between topics and even over time.
As such, there is no logic.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 15, 2018, 03:24:29 AM
In this working, I am taking same ratio of belief-search relationship.
And that relationship is far from static. It will vary between topics and even over time.
As such, there is no logic.

Statistic. You are far to the science. There is a relationship between search numbers and believer number, and this is a logic. But you have not logic to get this.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 15, 2018, 07:02:40 AM
In this working, I am taking same ratio of belief-search relationship.
And that relationship is far from static. It will vary between topics and even over time.
As such, there is no logic.

Statistic. You are far to the science. There is a relationship between search numbers and believer number, and this is a logic. But you have not logic to get this.

No there isn't.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on October 15, 2018, 12:04:15 PM
All have a logical logic.

What does Jesus have to do with all this?

Statistics.

Great. Statistics. So if there are 2.2 billion Christians, you derived some percentage of those who are Flat Earth believers? If so, what is that percentage and how did you derive that? And why pick on Christians?

According to that Forbes poll, 2% of Americans are flat earth believers (6m). Wouldn't it just be simpler to extrapolate that to the entire world regardless of faith? You know, like 2% of 7 billion is 140m.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 15, 2018, 01:38:06 PM
Statistic. You are far to the science. There is a relationship between search numbers and believer number, and this is a logic.
No, I understand the science quite well.

If that logic of yours was correct, you would be able to search for things like "Earth" and "air" and "water" and come up with 7 billion people believing.
So let's try that shall we? (including your "control" groups):
Jesus: 717,000,000
Muhammed: 285,000,000
Hindu: 210,000,000
Judaism: 46,400,000
Flat Earth: 509,000,000
Round Earth: 572,000,000
NASA: 308,000,000
Earth: 1,530,000,000
Water: 5,030,000,000

Notice that these numbers are different than yours due to a different location the search takes place in, so that already shows significant issues.

Now, you want to use the number of "Jesus believers" as the standard so let's use that.
That means each search result amounts to 2,200,000,000/717,000,000=~3 believers.
So that means we need to multiply each count by 3 to get the "number of believers" (I'll also divide by 1 million to stop dealing with so many 0s):
Jesus: 2,151
Muhammed: 855
Hindu: 630
Judaism: 139.2
Flat Earth: 1,527
Round Earth: 1,716
NASA: 924
Earth: 4,590
Water: 15,090

So this means that according to your "logic" roughly twice as many people as exist believe in water. Where are these extra 7 billion people hiding?
Meanwhile, not everyone believes in Earth, the planet they are living on. Do you not think there might be issues?
There is no direct correlation between number of people who believe in X and search results for X. You are baselessly assuming a correlation. That is not science. That is pure nonsense.
Even if there was such a correlation, there would be no reason to assume the correlation is linear, or that other factors do not have any influence.

Science for this would not be making such grand claims as you, asserting that there is a simple linear correlation and that can be used to determine the number of people who believe in X.
Instead, they would investigate, looking at a wide variety of topics/beliefs, including some which are true and some which are false and analysing it to determine what correlation, if any, exists between the number of people who believe and the number of search results. They would also compare other factors such as location and popularity.

Only once they have done that would they then proceed to make predictions, and they would test those predictions to see how accurate they are.
Then if it has been tested enough they might proceed to make more predictions, giving error bounds.

So no, there is no science and no logic behind your nonsense.

A better method would be similar to that suggested by stash, but adjusting for other factors where people believe nonsense. Perhaps link it to how religious the country is, as FEism sure seems to be religious.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 17, 2018, 03:33:03 AM
Tltr;
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 17, 2018, 04:01:54 AM
Tltr;
If it is too long here is short version:
If your method was valid it would require more people than exist to believe in water.
This shows your method is pure garbage and not scientific in any way.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 17, 2018, 04:52:20 AM
Tltr;
If it is too long here is short version:
If your method was valid it would require more people than exist to believe in water.
This shows your method is pure garbage and not scientific in any way.

Not my method by your claim is garbage.

Water is not a belief but a reality. You can compare belief vs belief, liquid vs liquid. You are comparing two thing have no relevance, with you invalid claim you start a baseless insults. Insults do not in your benefit just show you ugly.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 17, 2018, 01:23:36 PM
Not my method by your claim is garbage.

Water is not a belief but a reality. You can compare belief vs belief, liquid vs liquid. You are comparing two thing have no relevance, with you invalid claim you start a baseless insults. Insults do not in your benefit just show you ugly.
How do you have more than the population of Earth believing in water?
That is what your method claims, so that is what you need to address.

As for belief vs reality, good job insulting every Muslim and FEer and Christian and Hindu, as you have just declared that none of that is reality as it is merely a belief.

Back in reality, it doesn't matter if something is reality or not. Just because something is reality does not mean everyone will believe it. RE is a reality, yet plenty of people reject that for no valid reason at all.
So no, people are free to believe or not believe in water.
But your method requires more people than exist to believe in it. How is this possible?

There are only 2 options:
1 - There are these extra 8 billion people hiding somewhere that believe.
2 - Your method is garbage as there is no simple linear correlation between belief and search results.

I sure know which one I think is more likely.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Smoke Machine on October 17, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
Of the flat earth believers in your poll, Wise, how many occupy mental health institutions, how many are in drug rehab, and how many are school children?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 18, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Not my method by your claim is garbage.

Water is not a belief but a reality. You can compare belief vs belief, liquid vs liquid. You are comparing two thing have no relevance, with you invalid claim you start a baseless insults. Insults do not in your benefit just show you ugly.
How do you have more than the population of Earth believing in water?
That is what your method claims, so that is what you need to address.

As for belief vs reality, good job insulting every Muslim and FEer and Christian and Hindu, as you have just declared that none of that is reality as it is merely a belief.

Back in reality, it doesn't matter if something is reality or not. Just because something is reality does not mean everyone will believe it. RE is a reality, yet plenty of people reject that for no valid reason at all.
So no, people are free to believe or not believe in water.
But your method requires more people than exist to believe in it. How is this possible?

There are only 2 options:
1 - There are these extra 8 billion people hiding somewhere that believe.
2 - Your method is garbage as there is no simple linear correlation between belief and search results.

I sure know which one I think is more likely.

No, you are completely wrong. Your thoughts are garbage. Water is an concrete, but beliefs are abstract. Their calculate method is different.

For example you use x3 method but it is only valid for beliefs.

You can compare water with something in its category. There is only one thing we can compare water; well known and liquid: oil.

I type water: 5.400.000.000

Oil: 1.600.000.000

about 3 times more. It means, people interest water 3 times more than oil.

We can calculate how many people interest with oil:

7,5 x 1,6 / 5,4 = 2.200.000.000

In other say, 30% of world population interest the oil and rest people do not interest.

You can not the statistic of water to comparing any belief.

But you can compare beliefs around themselves.

You can compare countries by themselves. Look. I type some countries.

France: 4,3 billions.
Spain: 1, billion
USA: 3,91 billions
China: 2,79 billions
italy: 1,64 billions
Turkey: 825 million

Sounds like there is a coreleation, true? Only spain seems on wrong place. This is the list of "touristy  countries". France is the world leader and most searched. Turkey is 6th place and 6th in searching list inside this 6 countries.

For example Russia: 855 million. Why it is so? Because Russia is a big country but have less tourists. You can compare non touristy countries between themselves.

For example:

egypt: 582m
kenya: 501m
Tanzania: 355m
gabon: 237m
botswana: 264m

Lets type their population:
egypt: 582m 99m
kenya: 501m 51m
Tanzania: 355m 59m

small countries:
gabon: 237m 2m
botswana: 264m 2m

There may be some exceptionals but generally works.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 18, 2018, 12:56:08 PM
Not my method by your claim is garbage.

Water is not a belief but a reality. You can compare belief vs belief, liquid vs liquid. You are comparing two thing have no relevance, with you invalid claim you start a baseless insults. Insults do not in your benefit just show you ugly.
How do you have more than the population of Earth believing in water?
That is what your method claims, so that is what you need to address.

As for belief vs reality, good job insulting every Muslim and FEer and Christian and Hindu, as you have just declared that none of that is reality as it is merely a belief.

Back in reality, it doesn't matter if something is reality or not. Just because something is reality does not mean everyone will believe it. RE is a reality, yet plenty of people reject that for no valid reason at all.
So no, people are free to believe or not believe in water.
But your method requires more people than exist to believe in it. How is this possible?

There are only 2 options:
1 - There are these extra 8 billion people hiding somewhere that believe.
2 - Your method is garbage as there is no simple linear correlation between belief and search results.

I sure know which one I think is more likely.

No, you are completely wrong. Your thoughts are garbage. Water is an concrete, but beliefs are abstract. Their calculate method is different.

For example you use x3 method but it is only valid for beliefs.

You can compare water with something in its category. There is only one thing we can compare water; well known and liquid: oil.

I type water: 5.400.000.000

Oil: 1.600.000.000

about 3 times more. It means, people interest water 3 times more than oil.

We can calculate how many people interest with oil:

7,5 x 1,6 / 5,4 = 2.200.000.000

In other say, 30% of world population interest the oil and rest people do not interest.

You can not the statistic of water to comparing any belief.

But you can compare beliefs around themselves.

You can compare countries by themselves. Look. I type some countries.

France: 4,3 billions.
Spain: 1, billion
USA: 3,91 billions
China: 2,79 billions
italy: 1,64 billions
Turkey: 825 million

Sounds like there is a coreleation, true? Only spain seems on wrong place. This is the list of "touristy  countries". France is the world leader and most searched. Turkey is 6th place and 6th in searching list inside this 6 countries.

For example Russia: 855 million. Why it is so? Because Russia is a big country but have less tourists. You can compare non touristy countries between themselves.

For example:

egypt: 582m
kenya: 501m
Tanzania: 355m
gabon: 237m
botswana: 264m

Lets type their population:
egypt: 582m 99m
kenya: 501m 51m
Tanzania: 355m 59m

small countries:
gabon: 237m 2m
botswana: 264m 2m

There may be some exceptionals but generally works.

Wise you are wrong.  I can create a forum invoking some outlandish belief that no else believes and worded in a way that has a unique search.  Every day I can post 3 topics on my forum and each day the search results will increase, yet the number of believes will still only be 1.

Search results mean nothing.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 18, 2018, 01:30:25 PM
No, you are completely wrong. Your thoughts are garbage. Water is an concrete, but beliefs are abstract. Their calculate method is different.

For example you use x3 method but it is only valid for beliefs.

You can compare water with something in its category. There is only one thing we can compare water; well known and liquid: oil.

I type water: 5.400.000.000

Oil: 1.600.000.000

about 3 times more. It means, people interest water 3 times more than oil.

We can calculate how many people interest with oil:

7,5 x 1,6 / 5,4 = 2.200.000.000

In other say, 30% of world population interest the oil and rest people do not interest.

You can not the statistic of water to comparing any belief.

But you can compare beliefs around themselves.

You can compare countries by themselves. Look. I type some countries.

France: 4,3 billions.
Spain: 1, billion
USA: 3,91 billions
China: 2,79 billions
italy: 1,64 billions
Turkey: 825 million

Sounds like there is a coreleation, true? Only spain seems on wrong place. This is the list of "touristy  countries". France is the world leader and most searched. Turkey is 6th place and 6th in searching list inside this 6 countries.

For example Russia: 855 million. Why it is so? Because Russia is a big country but have less tourists. You can compare non touristy countries between themselves.

For example:

egypt: 582m
kenya: 501m
Tanzania: 355m
gabon: 237m
botswana: 264m

Lets type their population:
egypt: 582m 99m
kenya: 501m 51m
Tanzania: 355m 59m

small countries:
gabon: 237m 2m
botswana: 264m 2m

There may be some exceptionals but generally works.
First, quit with the insults. This is the last chance you get with me being nice. Insult me again, and I will go back to splitting your posts up to make it clear to everyone else what I am responding to.

No. I'm not wrong in the slightest.
Yes, water is real. But you claim a flat Earth is real. So they would be directly comparable. The Christian claims Jesus is real. The Muslims claim Muhammed is real. And so on.

Your method relies upon their being a direct linear correlation between belief in something and the search results for it.
Water is something people can believe in so it should work as well.

It shows that it is not a simple linear correlation.

You are admitting that there are other factors and at best you can only compare like things. If that is the case, only compare like things.
This would give you a list of things like religions, where you can compare Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and Judaism, a list of religious figures, a list of various conspiracy nutter garbage. Note this would mean that FE is not in the same group as religions and religious figures, unless you wanted to claim FEism is just a religion. Also note that it would put NASA in a completely different category. NASA would be in the same group as water, a real thing that no one can rationally deny exists.

Yet you have had no objection to mixing completely different things before. It is only now that it shows your method to be pure garbage that you do; but you don't make any correction by providing things you can compare FE to.

Speaking of religions lets try that.
Christianity: 221 000 000
Islam: 742 000 000
Judaism: 43 900 000
Hinduism: 52 600 000.

Notice how that doesn't even work? Not only does it get the numbers completely wrong it gets the order wrong as well.

This shows there are a multitude of factors, like interest and what type of subject it is.
Do you know why that is? Because there are many reasons people will make pages.
Some will do it because they want to criticise it, some will do it because they believe and want to convince others, some will do it to report on news.
Also note that none of these will imply a linear correlation.

One which is very unlikely to be linear is people trying to convince others to believe.
You don't find articles trying to show that water is real, because everyone accepts it is.
If there is only a small portion of people beleiving in something, it will have vastly more results than you would expect from a simple linear correlation.

What this all shows is that you cannot simply say search results correlates to the number of believers.
i.e. YOUR METHOD IS GARBAGE AND NOT SCIENTIFIC IN ANY WAY!

Again, for your method to work (and be scientific in any way) you need to have the number of believers in X being a direct linear correlation to the number of search results, with no complicating factors. This means you need to have twice as many people as exist on Earth beleiving in water.

In order to avoid that massive failure you need to perform a multidimensional analysis (i.e. lots of variables), with lots of different things to show what the true relationship is between search results and these factors. i.e. you need to be able to predict what the number of search results will be for a given thing based upon what it has for these variables. Until you do that, you have nothing except garbage.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 18, 2018, 10:47:04 PM
Tltr;  ::)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on October 18, 2018, 11:37:18 PM
Tltr;  ::)

I'll paraphrase:

Your methodology is garbage and your statistical analysis, if we can call it that, serves only you.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 19, 2018, 12:11:44 AM
Tltr;  ::)
Then basically the same as what I said before applies:
You have now admitted it isn't a simple case of number of results=k*number of people who believe in X.

If you want to make it is scientific you need to account for all the variables so you don't predict that more people than exist believe in water.
If you want to say it only works in specific groups to avoid that, you need to show that you are appropriately grouping FE and NASA. "Beliefs" isn't enough.

It is completely unscientific to just assert that it should be a direct linear correlation, and even less scientific to then admit it isn't without correcting your mistakes.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 19, 2018, 01:00:48 AM
Tltr;  ::)
Then basically the same as what I said before applies:
You have now admitted it isn't a simple case of number of results=k*number of people who believe in X.

If you want to make it is scientific you need to account for all the variables so you don't predict that more people than exist believe in water.
If you want to say it only works in specific groups to avoid that, you need to show that you are appropriately grouping FE and NASA. "Beliefs" isn't enough.

It is completely unscientific to just assert that it should be a direct linear correlation, and even less scientific to then admit it isn't without correcting your mistakes.

I did not say it works in elements which are in same group have similar properties, because I have already did it so and not required an extra explanation with considering everybody here have a mentality and get it.

I do not need a prove methods reliablity with make a coreleation between different examples. Because I have claimed a relationship between number of searches and number of beliefs. And proved it by writing their number of believers. There is a coreleation and this is a proof.

You agree it or deny it with your childish appeals and insults, can not change this fact.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on October 19, 2018, 01:46:18 AM
I do not need a prove methods reliablity with make a coreleation between different examples. Because I have claimed a relationship between number of searches and number of beliefs. And proved it by writing their number of believers. There is a coreleation and this is a proof.

You've manufactured a correlation as far as I can tell.

So let me get this straight once and for all (using Christianity as the example)

A) Christianity = 2,200 people on the planet
B) 890.000.000 searches occurred for the keyword: ‘Jesus'
C) Therefore, searching for the keyword ‘Jesus’ means that you get a ratio of ‘Jesus’ google searches to total number of Christians:
1- jesus 890.000.000 / 2.200.000.000  (X 2,47)

D) Number of keyword 'Flat earth’ searches =  9.330.000
E) Therefore, you multiply the ratio you derived in step C by the number of searches for 'Flat earth’ =
F) 23 045 000 Flat Earth believers

Questions:

1) Step C: Why does searching on the keyword ‘Jesus’ automatically create a relationship (correlation) to the number of Christians in the world?
2) Step C: I may search ‘Jesus’ and I’m not a Christian - How am I factored in?
3) Step C: More specifically, I presume many Non-Christians have used the keyword search of “Jesus”. How are they discerned and accounted for?
4) Step E: Why are you multiplying the ratio with the number of keyword searches for ‘Flat earth’? What's the reason for multiplying?
5) Lastly, what does religion have to do with this?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 19, 2018, 01:48:53 AM
I did not say it works in elements which are in same group have similar properties, because I have already did it so and not required an extra explanation with considering everybody here have a mentality and get it.

I do not need a prove methods reliablity with make a coreleation between different examples. Because I have claimed a relationship between number of searches and number of beliefs. And proved it by writing their number of believers. There is a coreleation and this is a proof.

You agree it or deny it with your childish appeals and insults, can not change this fact.
I am not the one using childish appeals and insults. That would be you.
You have completely failed to refute what I have said.

It is nice and simple: Either there is more to it than a simple linear correlation and thus you need to do more work to be able to calculate the number of believers; or it is a simple linear correlation and thus more people than exist believe in water.

You are yet to prove there is any correlation at all. Instead I have shown repeatedly that there is no simple correlation like that and you have been completely unable to show any problem with my arguments.

So which is it going to be?
Is your method pure garbage or do more people than exist believe in water? They are your only 2 options.
It doesn't matter how hard you try and deny it; or what pathetic, childish crap you pull to try and pretend it isn't so, they are the only options.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 19, 2018, 02:09:50 AM
Questions:
1) Step C: Why does searching on the keyword ‘Jesus’ automatically create a relationship (correlation) to the number of Christians in the world?
2) Step C: I may search ‘Jesus’ and I’m not a Christian - How am I factored in?
3) Step C: More specifically, I presume many Non-Christians have used the keyword search of “Jesus”. How are they discerned and accounted for?
4) Step E: Why are you multiplying the ratio with the number of keyword searches for ‘Flat earth’? What's the reason for multiplying?
5) Lastly, what does religion have to do with this?
Ignoring the compounding factors the idea is quite simple (also it is results not searches):
For any given idea/belief there will be some number of people that believe and some number that don't.
These people will make pages discussing the belief.
The number of results will magically be proportional to the number of people that believe, either because the number of people that don't believe do not significantly contribute to the search results, or the more people that believe, the more people will post things promoting it and opposing it.
As such, there should (in this fantasy world) be some factor k which when multiplied by the number of believers gives the number of search results.
i.e. R=k*B

You can also rearrange that to get B=R/k, or k=R/B.

He then uses a single point to calibrate this (e.g. Jebus).
So 2.2 billion believers 0.89 billion results, so k=0.89/2.2=~0.405.

He then uses this for FE to calculate the number of believers:
B=R/k=9.33 million/0.405=~23 million believers.

So that can address questions 2 to 4, assuming 1 has a sufficient answer.
As for 5, that is just a simple thing to find out how many people believe (at least to a very rough approximation).

The big issue is question 1 - Why is there a correlation in the first place?
There are things which no one believes, like Harry Potter, with loads of results. There are things which basically everyone believes, with very few results.
And the other big issue is why would belief be the only correlation?

Unfortunately for Inky, he has no rational responses to these questions. He just asserts the correlation is as he claims, that he has magically proven it, and moves on.

As some more examples, assuming this nonsense actually worked, lets try something simple:
To calculate the number of Christians:
Jesus - 793 million results so ~1.96 billion believers.
Or the number of Christians:
Christian - 2,210 million results so ~ 5.5 billion believers.
Or the number of Christians:
Christ - 830 million results so ~2.05 billion believers.
Or the number of Christians:
Christianity - 197 million results so ~487 million believers.

I think I'm noticing a problem.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 19, 2018, 03:54:49 AM
I have noticed your childish appeals. You are still far to get the method. You are still comparing wrong terms. Your angry globularist team is nothing but just waste a time. If you have a better method, I have ready to listen it. If you have not a better one, so shut the shit up then get the shit out of here. I do not listen you anymore.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crouton on October 19, 2018, 05:29:04 AM
Wow! Great energy in this discussion everyone. But let's take the anger down a little before things get out of hand.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 19, 2018, 06:33:06 AM
Tltr;  ::)
Then basically the same as what I said before applies:
You have now admitted it isn't a simple case of number of results=k*number of people who believe in X.

If you want to make it is scientific you need to account for all the variables so you don't predict that more people than exist believe in water.
If you want to say it only works in specific groups to avoid that, you need to show that you are appropriately grouping FE and NASA. "Beliefs" isn't enough.

It is completely unscientific to just assert that it should be a direct linear correlation, and even less scientific to then admit it isn't without correcting your mistakes.

I did not say it works in elements which are in same group have similar properties, because I have already did it so and not required an extra explanation with considering everybody here have a mentality and get it.

I do not need a prove methods reliablity with make a coreleation between different examples. Because I have claimed a relationship between number of searches and number of beliefs. And proved it by writing their number of believers. There is a coreleation and this is a proof.

You agree it or deny it with your childish appeals and insults, can not change this fact.

You writing down something and saying their is correlation doesn't make it so.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 19, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
Wow! Great energy in this discussion everyone. But let's take the anger down a little before things get out of hand.

If the angry globularist team has used half of their effort to prove the earth is flat, we would proved the earths being flat.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on October 19, 2018, 01:03:03 PM
Wow! Great energy in this discussion everyone. But let's take the anger down a little before things get out of hand.

If the angry globularist team has used half of their effort to prove the earth is flat, we would proved the earths being flat.

More data:

From wikipedia: (1999) Opinion polls taken in various locations have shown that between 6% and 20% of Americans, 25% of Britons, and 28% of Russians surveyed believe that the manned landings were faked.

2018: 57 percent of Russians currently think that the US claims of successful manned Moon missions are lies and that the documented proof of these missions was forged.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 19, 2018, 02:33:28 PM
I have noticed your childish appeals. You are still far to get the method.
Again, stop with the insults. I am not the one being childish here.
No. I get the method. It is quite simple.
You claim that the number of believers is linearly proportional to the number of search results. Even sticking to a single belief, this doesn't work.

You are not ready to listen.
Instead, just like always, you refuse to defend your claims and instead just insult and dismiss anyone that shows you to be wrong.

If the angry globularist team has used half of their effort to prove the earth is flat, we would proved the earths being flat.
No we wouldn't have.
It doesn't matter how much you want to believe Earth is flat, all the evidence shows otherwise (or is unable to tell).
No amount of effort can prove a falsehood to be true.
If all the angry flatties tried an honest, rational approach to the shape of Earth, they would have realised Earth is round.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: RocketSauce on October 25, 2018, 06:53:19 AM
Then how do you explain the existence of penguins? Huh?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Themightykabool on October 25, 2018, 11:02:49 AM
How did you reach pg8 for this topic?!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of November 2018; 2,791 billions)
Post by: wise on November 07, 2018, 12:28:57 AM
November 2018 search results

Jesus 985.000.000
محمد. 711.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 191.000.000
judaism 54.000.000
flat earth 1.250.000.000
nasa 296.000.000

calculating number of believers in November 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 985.000.000
Search to flat earth: 1.250.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 1.250.000.000 / 985.000.000 = 2.791.878.173
Number of nasa believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 296.000.000 / 985.000.000= 661.116.751

Number of believers was 633.475.177 in October 2018

In other say, number of believers increased about 340% in one month.

If we examine the reason of this increase so we can see we did not make same mistakes we did in October.

You can detect that interest by looking the number of visitors how increasing rapidly.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of November 2018; 2,791 billions)
Post by: JackBlack on November 07, 2018, 12:42:01 AM
calculating number of believers in November 2018
We'll use same method that we always use.
Then you aren't calculating the number of believers, unless you want to claim more people than exist believe in water.
So which is it?
Going to admit your method is garbage, or going to claim more people than exist believe in water?

If we examine the reason of this increase so we can see we did not make same mistakes we did in October.
No, you are still making the same mistake of assuming this garbage actually works.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on November 07, 2018, 11:43:41 AM
Flat earth revolution is in the line.
(http://image.ibb.co/ghiLdV/1.png)
Do you know why so many people say those routes are real? Because all the evidence supports them being real.

God orders: "do not say lie. It turns against you".
Then why do you keep lying so much?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on November 07, 2018, 04:21:32 PM
Flat earth revolution is in the line.

(http://image.ibb.co/ghiLdV/1.png)

God orders: "do not say lie. It turns against you".

What can we say to globist liars while they claim existance of some pathes actually not exist without this?
You are so great calling everybody else liars when you flat earthers don't have any flat-earth map that shows accurate distances and
we do have Globe maps that give accurate distances.

You ask, "What can we say to globist liars while they claim existance of some pathes actually not exist without this"?
What you could do, for a change, is admit that you are the one with no basis for your false claims.

But God orders: "do not say lie. It turns against you" so "do not say lie" by falsely claiming that the air routes air routes are fake:
• Here is an advertised direct flight from Johannesburg (JNB) to Sao Paulo (GRU) with the expected time of 11 hours 10 minutes:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/jis6ukirbrxgwxg/Johannesburgo%20a%20Sao%20Paulo.png?dl=1)
Latam Airways, Johannesburgo a Sao Paulo
If you don't think it is a real flight it is up to YOU to prove it!

• This flight flew direct from Sydney (SYD), Australia, to Santiago (SCL), Chile in 11 hours 50 minutes:
FlightRadar24 - Flight QFA27 Sydney to Santiago
Your unsupported words claiming "fake" are not sufficient.
I doubt that you have ever been to Argentina, South Africa, Australia or Chile or spoken to anyone unable to fly these routes.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of November 2018; 2,791 billions)
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 07, 2018, 09:18:35 PM

We'll use same method that we always use.

the Anal Extraction method?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of November 2018; 2,791 billions)
Post by: Stash on November 07, 2018, 11:19:52 PM

We'll use same method that we always use.

the Anal Extraction method?

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on November 08, 2018, 11:43:38 AM
Sorry. There is a mistake statistics about November 2018. As all we see that 340% increase was a bit exaggeration. I have controlled it at home and found a different result. perhaps it has caused by the property of browser. Anyways.

November 2018 search results (corrected)

Jesus 977.000.000
محمد. 648.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 177.000.000
judaism 51.700.000
flat earth 384.000.000

calculating number of believers in November 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 977.000.000
Search to flat earth: 384.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 384.000.000 / 977.000.000 = 864.687.820

Number of flat earth believers was 633.475.177 in October 2018

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers increased  30% in one month.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on November 08, 2018, 11:44:11 AM
Sorry. There is a mistake statistics about November 2018. As all we see that 340% increase was a bit exaggeration. I have controlled it at home and found a different result. perhaps it has caused by the property of browser. Anyways.

November 2018 search results (corrected)

Jesus 977.000.000
محمد. 648.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 177.000.000
judaism 51.700.000
flat earth 384.000.000
nasa 294.000.000

calculating number of believers in November 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 977.000.000
Search to flat earth: 384.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 384.000.000 / 977.000.000 = 864.687.820

Number of nasa believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 294.000.000 / 977.000.000= 662.026.612

Number of flat earth believers was 633.475.177 in October 2018
Number of NASA believers was 521.134.751 in October 2018

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers increased  30% in one month.
Number of NASA believers increased 27% in one month.

Interesting...

There is no correlation between search results and number of believers.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on November 08, 2018, 02:14:10 PM
Sorry. There is a mistake statistics about November 2018.
Just like there has been in every month prior, as it is based upon a faulty methodology.

Again, just like before, using your horribly flawed method:
Jesus - 776,000,000
Water - 4,930,000,000
So number of water believers = 4930*2.2/776 billion=14 billion people.
So we still have roughly twice as many people than exist beleiving in water.

Where are these extra 7 billion people hiding?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on November 09, 2018, 02:28:30 AM
Again, as I countless time said but anybody still unable to get it;

You can compare things only those are is same category.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on November 09, 2018, 02:59:34 AM
Again, as I countless time said but anybody still unable to get it;
You can compare things only those are is same category.
No, we get it, you simply don't understand.
This is an admission that you can't simply say there are x searches so there are x*k believers. There is far more too it.

Flat Earth and Jesus, while both being taken on blind faith, are not in the same category.
Flat Earth is a claim about the shape of Earth which is quite easy to test.
Jesus is a claim about someone who allegedly lived 2000 years ago.
These are quite different.
NASA is different yet again.

So why do you group FE, Jesus and NASA all together in the same category but not water?

More importantly, what are the other factors which influences search results?
Until you address this and explain what all the variables are, your analysis remains garbage.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on November 09, 2018, 07:12:42 PM
Again, as I countless time said but anybody still unable to get it;
You can compare things only those are is same category.
No, we get it, you simply don't understand.
This is an admission that you can't simply say there are x searches so there are x*k believers. There is far more too it.

Flat Earth and Jesus, while both being taken on blind faith, are not in the same category.
Flat Earth is a claim about the shape of Earth which is quite easy to test.
Jesus is a claim about someone who allegedly lived 2000 years ago.
These are quite different.
NASA is different yet again.

So why do you group FE, Jesus and NASA all together in the same category but not water?

More importantly, what are the other factors which influences search results?
Until you address this and explain what all the variables are, your analysis remains garbage.

Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on November 09, 2018, 09:07:45 PM
Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Stop being an a total ninnie .
His method might yield the expected number of "enquirers" which includes all those debunking Flat Earth Garbage.

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on November 09, 2018, 09:41:33 PM
Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Stop being an a total ninnie .
His method might yield the expected number of "enquirers" which includes all those debunking Flat Earth Garbage.

I thought you weren't going to reply to me as per your hero Mark Twains advice? Proving you are nonsense again
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on November 09, 2018, 09:58:27 PM
Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Prove it.
So far his method is a baseless pile of garbage. If you have the expected number, then feel free to provide the better methodology.
Until you do so, or he corrects himself I will continue to point his garbage.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Masalang the Torpedo on November 09, 2018, 10:03:29 PM
Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Prove it.
So far his method is a baseless pile of garbage. If you have the expected number, then feel free to provide the better methodology.
Until you do so, or he corrects himself I will continue to point his garbage.

Are you the garbage man? Could you not find a profession more suited to your 'know it all' brain?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on November 09, 2018, 11:04:31 PM
You can compare similar things between themselves. For example you can compare water to only oil in this small world.

water: 5.050.000.000
oil: 1.700.000.000

Logical? I think they are so.

This does not mean "number of people who believe water and oil". Most of people are searching water or oil company for buy, perhaps. This is relevant with needs. Everybody in the earth needs water. So we can make a coreleation between water and oil than find how many people interest the oil:

number of people search water:  5.050.000.000
real number of people needs water: 7,530.000.000
number of people search oil: 1.700.000.000

So; number of people "needs (search for buy) oil": 2.535.000.000
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on November 09, 2018, 11:13:47 PM
His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you

I really have no interest in whether it's 1 or 1billion 'believers'. But do you honestly think a simple number of searches equates to the number of FE believers somehow by correlating the keywords, 'flat earth', 'jesus' and 'nasa'? Seriously?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on November 09, 2018, 11:52:39 PM
I thought you weren't going to reply to me as per your hero Mark Twains advice? Proving you are nonsense again
He said nothing about replying to an idiot, just "Never argue with an idiot" and I was not arguing with an idiot just stating that the idiot was talking crap!

Now run off back to your Werenazis or whatever unWise has got going now - it's about your limit.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on November 10, 2018, 01:18:17 AM
You can compare similar things between themselves.
Why?
Why can you compare anything? Why only some things?
What are these other factors which influence what we can and can't compare?
Why don't you take that into consideration at all?
Why do you pretend Christianity/Jesus is similar to FE? Is it because you know FE is religious nonsense?

This does not mean "number of people who believe water and oil".
That's right, just like it doesn't for Jesus or FE or NASA.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on November 10, 2018, 05:10:04 AM
You can compare similar things between themselves. For example you can compare water to only oil in this small world.

water: 5.050.000.000
oil: 1.700.000.000

Logical? I think they are so.

This does not mean "number of people who believe water and oil". Most of people are searching water or oil company for buy, perhaps. This is relevant with needs. Everybody in the earth needs water. So we can make a coreleation between water and oil than find how many people interest the oil:

number of people search water:  5.050.000.000
real number of people needs water: 7,530.000.000
number of people search oil: 1.700.000.000

So; number of people "needs (search for buy) oil": 2.535.000.000

Search results are not number of people searching.  It is the estimated number of links to webpages that relate to the search item.  Notice I said estimated number, as Search Engines such as Google, admit that the number is not an accurate representation of actual results due in part to how the number is calculated.

The estimated nor the actual number of webpages related to a search do not equate to number of believers.  I can start a new belief system about X that has a very unique search result.  I can create a website (forum) dedicated to that belief system and post a new topic in relation to this belief system every hour.  After a week, I can search and find numerous results on this belief system that only has 1 believer.

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on November 10, 2018, 07:08:33 AM
What a great statistics!

Interest to flat earth and nasa in past 7 days.

(https://image.ibb.co/jmsgaA/1.png)

As we see that, they are almost compatibled. This is a trend. In past, who research flat earth was randomly action; but now who search for NASA meanwhile search for flat earth. Because almost everybody have learned the conspiracy of flat earth about NASA theories. So that, who search NASA, meanwhile search flat earth. But everybody search flat earth does not search NASA.

You angry globularists agree or not! You can not change the facts!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on November 10, 2018, 10:30:57 AM
What a great statistics!

Interest to flat earth and nasa in past 7 days.

(https://image.ibb.co/jmsgaA/1.png)

As we see that, they are almost compatibled. This is a trend. In past, who research flat earth was randomly action; but now who search for NASA meanwhile search for flat earth. Because almost everybody have learned the conspiracy of flat earth about NASA theories. So that, who search NASA, meanwhile search flat earth. But everybody search flat earth does not search NASA.

You angry globularists agree or not! You can not change the facts!

That is not what the chart shows.  Stop misrepresenting data.

Interest over time
Numbers represent search interest relative to the highest point on the chart for the given region and time. A value of 100 is the peak popularity for the term. A value of 50 means that the term is half as popular. A score of 0 means there was not enough data for this term.

That's a chart representing level of interest over time.  Putting flat earth and nasa on the same chart is not a comparison to each other.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on November 10, 2018, 11:27:18 AM
In paralel universe, there is no room for flat earth.  ;D

(https://image.ibb.co/fzhy5A/1.png)

We can not compare water and flat earth because they are in different category. But this is for understanding google trends using for compare. A wee see that there is no 100 for flat earth this time. Even there is no 10; even 5.  ::)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on November 10, 2018, 12:08:31 PM
As we see that, they are almost compatibled. This is a trend. In past, who research flat earth was randomly action; but now who search for NASA meanwhile search for flat earth.
There is no evidence of that. This doesn't show the same people are searching, just that the interest follows a similar pattern. The geographic breakdown shows that, with some locations searching NASA more and some searching FE more.

Because almost everybody have learned the conspiracy of flat earth about NASA theories.
No, they haven't, as people are yet to show it is a conspiracy.

You angry globularists agree or not! You can not change the facts!
We don't need to change the facts, your methods remain pure garbage with no rational defense.

We can not compare water and flat earth because they are in different category.
So why should we be able to compare FE and Jesus?
Surely they would be in different categories as well:
(https://i.imgur.com/WpxjjZx.png)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on November 10, 2018, 12:20:48 PM
TURD, you are misrepresenting data.

First you are looking at just Oklahoma, a single state.

Second the numbers on the chart are only comparable for interest over time and are relative to the highest interest during that period.  That means they don't reflect actual numbers, but a scaled value.  Interest (ie number of searches) does not mean believers.

Here, let's look at what your numbers look like worldwide when you apply it over a year.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2yod9cj.png)

In case you are wondering, flat earth averages around 5 on the interest scale, while Nasa hovers at 50 outside of a few bumps and the obvious peak of 100 which is what the data is scaled to.

So on average, that's a 10:1 ratio of interest, but there aren't 10x the number of Nasa believers per your calculations.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on November 10, 2018, 12:36:03 PM
In paralel universe, there is no room for flat earth.  ;D

(https://image.ibb.co/fzhy5A/1.png)

We can not compare water and flat earth because they are in different category. But this is for understanding google trends using for compare. A wee see that there is no 100 for flat earth this time. Even there is no 10; even 5.  ::)

Here you go wise.  The world still cares about Jesus, Nasa, and Porn more than the flat earth.  Registers as <1 the entire chart.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/28akr5w.png)

If you remove Porn, flat earth averages between 1 and 2 over the year.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/6t0pe8.png)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Smoke Machine on November 10, 2018, 11:05:53 PM
1. The number of actual flat earth believers on the planet, you could squeeze into a small room in a mental institution - the toilet.

2. The rest of the flat earth believers don't actually believe, and are just debaters (I would say "mass debaters") who for want of a better word, are trolls, driving pleasure from watching people waste enormous amounts of time countering their arguments.

3. Then you have trolls trolling the trolls, who think they are trolling flat earth believers for their displayed absolute stupidity, and don't realise they are being trolled themselves.

4. Then you have people trying to work out who's who in the zoo and have a fleeting interest in the motives behind people engaged in such a mass debate, but who quickly move on.

5. Then you have people like Rab, who engage the flat earth troll arguments only to better their own scientific understanding of the world, and don't care about the motives of other debaters.

6. Then you have mass debating trolls who try to recruit gullible people and those with lower IQ into their debating team, and derive pleasure from watching the follower size grow, but then quickly decline as even those people lose interest.

So, Wise, imagine the number of actual flat earth believers standing beside you, the next time you go to the bathroom.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on November 11, 2018, 12:38:20 AM
1. The number of actual flat earth believers on the planet, you could squeeze into a small room in a mental institution - the toilet.

2. The rest of the flat earth believers don't actually believe, and are just debaters (I would say "mass debaters") who for want of a better word, are trolls, driving pleasure from watching people waste enormous amounts of time countering their arguments.

3. Then you have trolls trolling the trolls, who think they are trolling flat earth believers for their displayed absolute stupidity, and don't realise they are being trolled themselves.

4. Then you have people trying to work out who's who in the zoo and have a fleeting interest in the motives behind people engaged in such a mass debate, but who quickly move on.

5. Then you have people like Rab, who engage the flat earth troll arguments only to better their own scientific understanding of the world, and don't care about the motives of other debaters.

6. Then you have mass debating trolls who try to recruit gullible people and those with lower IQ into their debating team, and derive pleasure from watching the follower size grow, but then quickly decline as even those people lose interest.

So, Wise, imagine the number of actual flat earth believers standing beside you, the next time you go to the bathroom.
7. And then the "flat earth" YouTubers whose main aim is to rake in "pocket money" money from gullible adoring "worshipers".
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Smoke Machine on November 11, 2018, 12:50:30 AM
Yep, thanks Rab, I forgot about them.

There are certain undisputed beliefs held by the masses. Believing, knowing, and understanding we live on a globe in space is a belief held by the masses. It helps the world go round, much like the mass belief and fact, man landed on and walked on the moon in 1969 and after, in those Apollo missions.

To debate beliefs like these, held by the masses, makes you a mass belief debater. Or, because you're debating the masses, it makes you a mass debater.

This is why these topics get so many hits on YouTube, because they target the ingrained beliefs held by the masses.

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on November 11, 2018, 07:14:45 AM
Alt of barinoz detected. Alt of barinoz ignored.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on November 11, 2018, 10:02:06 AM
Alt of barinoz detected. Alt of barinoz ignored.

Turd detected.  Turd detected.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Lonegranger on November 11, 2018, 09:33:14 PM
Yep, thanks Rab, I forgot about them.

There are certain undisputed beliefs held by the masses. Believing, knowing, and understanding we live on a globe in space is a belief held by the masses. It helps the world go round, much like the mass belief and fact, man landed on and walked on the moon in 1969 and after, in those Apollo missions.

To debate beliefs like these, held by the masses, makes you a mass belief debater. Or, because you're debating the masses, it makes you a mass debater.

This is why these topics get so many hits on YouTube, because they target the ingrained beliefs held by the masses.

Firstly the majority of the beliefs and knowledge we have pre-date the 20th century. Many people on this forum appear to ignore all the discoveries made during the renaissance and the enlightenment imagining it was all done by some nefarious committee in some 1950s darkroom to hoodwink the people. I know where all my views and beliefs come from, but how about yours? Other that stuff you’ve gleaned from fiddling around on your computer, where are your views from, and how do you suddenly imagine they are superior to current human knowledge?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Smoke Machine on November 12, 2018, 07:03:32 AM
Lonegranger, you appear to have misread my posts. At no time have I suggested any views inconsistent with the accumulated human knowledge held dear by the masses. So, where do your views and beliefs come from, then?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on December 23, 2018, 02:51:48 AM
23 December 2018 search results

Jesus 1.350.000.000
محمد. 776.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 253.000.000
judaism 55.800.000
flat earth 573.000.000

calculating number of believers in December 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.350.000.000
Search to flat earth: 573.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 573.000.000 / 1.350.000.000 = 934.777.777

Number of flat earth believers was 864.687.820 in November 2018

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers increased  8% in one month.

PS: There is a Turkish preverb as: "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.". Thats all I can say for the following comments.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on December 23, 2018, 04:02:55 AM
We'll use same method that we always use.
So still using a completely useless method which requires more people than exist to believe in water, meaning your results are useless.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Gumwars on December 28, 2018, 10:13:26 PM
Wise, using your methodology will eventually result in a number of "believers" that exceed the population of the planet.  You do realize this, right?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on December 29, 2018, 12:35:34 AM
Wow, almost a billion 'believers' and not a working flat earth model or map in sight. Makes one question the whole notion around the advantages of crowd-sourcing.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on December 29, 2018, 04:33:21 AM
Wise, using your methodology will eventually result in a number of "believers" that exceed the population of the planet.  You do realize this, right?

It has been asked by angry globularists earlier. You can compare terms in same category. However, exceptions may be exist.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on December 29, 2018, 11:51:25 AM
Wise, using your methodology will eventually result in a number of "believers" that exceed the population of the planet.  You do realize this, right?

It has been asked by angry globularists earlier. You can compare terms in same category. However, exceptions may be exist.

And that 'category' being religion. Interestingly, not 'science'.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on December 29, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
It has been asked by angry globularists earlier. You can compare terms in same category. However, exceptions may be exist.
You are yet to establish that and instead have just baselessly asserted it.

You haven't even established that they are in the same category, yet you rely upon it.
Previously you also included things like NASA as in the same category.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on December 29, 2018, 08:06:27 PM
Wise, using your methodology will eventually result in a number of "believers" that exceed the population of the planet.  You do realize this, right?

It has been asked by angry globularists earlier. You can compare terms in same category. However, exceptions may be exist.

And that 'category' being religion. Interestingly, not 'science'.

Nasa is in same category. I have listed it too as a belief for a while.

Because belief on the shape of the earth for majority depends on their belief, not scientific examinations. For us, it is a science, but for majority it is not.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on December 30, 2018, 03:17:02 AM
Nasa is in same category. I have listed it too as a belief for a while.
Like a belief in water?
Which requires more people than exist.
Again, you need to show that your method works even for things in the same category, and then show that FE is in that category.
Otherwise you are just pulling numbers from garbage.

Because belief on the shape of the earth for majority depends on their belief, not scientific examinations. For us, it is a science, but for majority it is not.
No, for most people it is science.
For FEers, it isn't. They reject the science and use nonsense instead.
All the available science which has anything to say regarding the shape of Earth says it is round, not flat.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: New Earth on December 31, 2018, 11:37:08 AM
With all due respect guys, why you such nerds? Statistic or not, who gives a fuck how many believers? Sometimes one believer  is enough and sometimes billions could be wrong. Remember just short time ago we all believed that Pluto was a planet LOL
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on December 31, 2018, 12:47:31 PM
With all due respect guys, why you such nerds? Statistic or not, who gives a fuck how many believers? Sometimes one believer  is enough and sometimes billions could be wrong. Remember just short time ago we all believed that Pluto was a planet LOL
Technically based upon the actual definitions, Pluto was never a planet1, and not many people considered it to be a planet1. However Pluto was considered a planet2 and actually is a planet2.

1 - Current definition of planet requiring it to have cleared its neighbourhood.
2 - Old definition of planet which means the solar system has loads of planets.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Themightykabool on December 31, 2018, 02:57:59 PM
With all due respect guys, why you such nerds? Statistic or not, who gives a fuck how many believers? Sometimes one believer  is enough and sometimes billions could be wrong. Remember just short time ago we all believed that Pluto was a planet LOL

As long as your mom thinks youre the best who cares what anyone else says right?

Side note.
You do realize by participating, youre at the same nerd party as the rest of us.
Thanks for coming out.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: New Earth on January 01, 2019, 10:23:06 AM
Yeah may be I'm also a nerd but your mom still likes me.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on February 05, 2019, 01:59:36 AM
With all due respect guys, why you such nerds? Statistic or not, who gives a fuck how many believers? Sometimes one believer  is enough and sometimes billions could be wrong. Remember just short time ago we all believed that Pluto was a planet LOL

And almost all of people still think Venus being a planet.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on February 05, 2019, 02:00:59 AM
5 February 2019, the year of revolution search results,

Jesus 1.330.000.000
محمد. 714.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 214.000.000
judaism 41.800.000
flat earth 394.000.000
nasa: 357.000.000

calculating number of believers in February 2019

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.330.000.000
Search to flat earth: 394.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 394.000.000 / 1.330.000.000 = 651.729.323

Number of flat earth believers was 934.777.777 in December 2018

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers decreased  30% in two months. We have to focus on the reasons of people are leaving the flat earth theory.

On the other hand, nasa believers have decreased too. And belief on flat earth is still more than nasa belief. This is our only one solace.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on February 05, 2019, 02:34:38 AM
And almost all of people still think Venus being a planet.
Because it still is one?

Number of Jesus believers: 2,200,000,000
Search to jesus: 1,140,000,000
Search to water: 8,450,000,000

Number of water believers by using ratio:
2,200,000,000 x 8,450,000,000 / 1,140,000,000 = 16,307,017,544

So twice as many people than exist believe in water.
Looks like your method is still horribly broken.

We have to focus on the reasons of people are leaving the flat earth theory.
Or you have to focus on why your methodology is so fundamentally flawed that it isn't actually calculating the number of believers.

On the other hand, nasa believers have decreased too. And belief on flat earth is still more than nasa belief.
Even if you want to use your excuse, NASA and Flat Earth are not in the same category and thus your method cannot determine the number of believers. As you have made clear, FEism is a religion, comparable to other religions like Christianity. It is not an organisation like NASA is and thus you cannot compare the 2.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on February 05, 2019, 03:57:05 AM
When you say "believers", I think you mean people who believe there are those who think the Earth to be flat. Not those who actually believe the Earth is flat.

Like your NASA reference. Does your number denote those who believe IN NASA, or simply those INTERESTED in NASA?

Because, whatever YOU believe, NASA actually exists.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 05, 2019, 10:42:16 AM
Of course wise knows he's falsely interpreting the data to give the outcome he wants.

Does anyone doubt it?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on February 05, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
And almost all of people still think Venus being a planet.
Because it still is one?

Number of Jesus believers: 2,200,000,000
Search to jesus: 1,140,000,000
Search to water: 8,450,000,000

Number of water believers by using ratio:
2,200,000,000 x 8,450,000,000 / 1,140,000,000 = 16,307,017,544

So twice as many people than exist believe in water.
Looks like your method is still horribly broken.

We have to focus on the reasons of people are leaving the flat earth theory.
Or you have to focus on why your methodology is so fundamentally flawed that it isn't actually calculating the number of believers.

On the other hand, nasa believers have decreased too. And belief on flat earth is still more than nasa belief.
Even if you want to use your excuse, NASA and Flat Earth are not in the same category and thus your method cannot determine the number of believers. As you have made clear, FEism is a religion, comparable to other religions like Christianity. It is not an organisation like NASA is and thus you cannot compare the 2.

Though belief in FE is down 30%, fortunately, belief in water is up almost 13%. Seems that the Water Believers Revolution (Thanks to the The Water Alliance Trust, aka T.W.A.T) is really starting to gain momentum. Finally.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on February 05, 2019, 10:13:29 PM
And almost all of people still think Venus being a planet.
Because it still is one?

This is an amateur astronomer, not a flat earther:

As we see that, Venus seems like a star (in meaning of flat earthers get it), but not a planet. After more obversations will be made by amateur astronomers and flat earthers, NASA will be forced to agree its not being a planet. No way out.

Compare it with an ordinary star, here:

And more, over there:

Same thing.

Venus is a star, not a planet.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 05, 2019, 10:26:07 PM

This is an amateur astronomer, not a flat earther:

FOCUS!

Just because someone has a P900 does not make them an amateur astronomer.

One of the things you learn in astronomy is NOT TO VIEW THROUGH A WINDOW. IN A HEATED HOUSE. IN WINTER. No wonder the seeing is terrible.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on February 05, 2019, 10:37:43 PM

This is an amateur astronomer, not a flat earther:

FOCUS!

Just because someone has a P900 does not make them an amateur astronomer.

One of the things you learn in astronomy is NOT TO VIEW THROUGH A WINDOW. IN A HEATED HOUSE. IN WINTER. No wonder the seeing is terrible.

Sorry but there is nothing changed in your side. I know what I have to focus, okay? You can focus everything you want. In my opinion she is an amateur astronomer. When I will get a P900, it will be make me an amateur astronomer too. Because the astronomy is a fake science, who observes the sky with a good camera becomes a good astronomer, whether an angry globularists (according to scg you are almost fe'r) agree or deny it. I don't need your suggestions. Thanks, but keep yous suggests to yourself, you need them more.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on February 05, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
And almost all of people still think Venus being a planet.
Because it still is one?

This is an amateur astronomer, not a flat earther:

As we see that, Venus seems like a star (in meaning of flat earthers get it), but not a planet. After more obversations will be made by amateur astronomers and flat earthers, NASA will be forced to agree its not being a planet. No way out.

Compare it with an ordinary star, here:

And more, over there:

Same thing.

Venus is a star, not a planet.

Not sure what all this has to do with the number of "believers". But here's a guy who actually knows how to use his p900 when viewing Venus. As pointed out by C&C, Focus is crucial. Go figure. As well as exposure.

So no, incorrect, Venus is not a star, it's a good old fashioned planet. Maybe notions like Venus/Star/p900 nonsense are the reason for FE believers dropping by 30% in a month.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 05, 2019, 11:20:50 PM

When I will get a P900, it will be make me an amateur astronomer too.

Just like you are a scientist. And a professor. And have an IQ of 180.

And remember, you are not allowed to reply to me. You are on my list.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on February 06, 2019, 12:08:59 AM
This is an amateur astronomer, not a flat earther:
Who clearly doesn't know how to focus a camera, and is using a camera instead of a telescope, and is inside.
Most amateur astronomers go outside.
Conspiracy nuts might stay inside.

If you like I can also go further and question what they used to determine it was Venus (as it sure doesn't seem like Venus, at all).

Here is some other amateur footage:

There is no reason to think that what you have shown is what you claim.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on March 11, 2019, 01:21:42 AM
Update 13 March, 2019 the year of revolution

Jesus 1.450.000.000
محمد. 855.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 262.000.000
judaism 48.900.000
flat earth 529.000.000
nasa: 529.000.000

For the first time, number of search about both nasa and flat earth is equal. It means everybody who has searched NASA meanwhile searched flat earth, and vice wersa.

Calculating number of believers in March 2019

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.450.000.000
Search to flat earth: 529.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 529.000.000 / 1.450.000.000 = 802.620.689

Number of flat earth believers was 651.729.323 in February 2019.

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers increased 23% in one month. On the other hand, nasa believers have increased too and reached same number.

Rate of flat earth believers in all population in entire world: 802/7700 = 10% of the world is believing the earth is flat.

So;

10% of people believe the earth is flat
10% of people believe the earth is how NASA says,
80% of people are indecisive.

Throw the first stone who of you are geting more salary from NASA.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on March 11, 2019, 01:38:03 AM
So;

10% of people believe the earth is flat
10% of people believe the earth is how NASA says,
80% of people are indecisive.

Throw the first stone who of you are geting more salary from NASA.

At the risk of kicking myself for even asking, how is it that 80% of the worlds population is indecisive as to the shape of their planet? (Your answer greatly influences the amount in my NASA salary, tread lightly)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on March 11, 2019, 01:45:21 AM
So;

10% of people believe the earth is flat
10% of people believe the earth is how NASA says,
80% of people are indecisive.

Throw the first stone who of you are geting more salary from NASA.

At the risk of kicking myself for even asking, how is it that 80% of the worlds population is indecisive as to the shape of their planet? (Your answer greatly influences the amount in my NASA salary, tread lightly)

If people do not search it, so we can agree them indecisive. For example,

When there is a solar eclipse, lunar eclipse, super moon or someting like these, those who believe in the flat earth are wondering what the flat earth community is saying about it. Then these people searches the flat earth.

Similarly, under same conditions those who believe in NASA are wondering what the NASA is saying about it. Then these people searches the NASA.

If a person does not wonder what NASA says or what the flat earthers say when there is an important event in the sky, then this person either does not trust any of them either, or is confused. I've defined them as indecisive but it includes all people stay middle position between NASA and Flat Earth Societies.

Nice to see you throwing the first stone, because it is clear that you are more quality than all NASA defenders here. Most of them has an empty head. Sorry, if you are their manager, but they are really so.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 11, 2019, 01:48:06 AM
When I will get a P900, it will be make me an amateur astronomer too.

When I get a copy of Microsoft Word I will be a novelist.   ::)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on March 11, 2019, 01:50:24 AM
::) An example of remained globularists.  ::)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 11, 2019, 03:44:55 AM
Libre Office.  No billionaires needed.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on March 11, 2019, 01:13:48 PM
For the first time, number of search about both nasa and flat earth is equal. It means everybody who has searched NASA meanwhile searched flat earth, and vice wersa.
No it doesn't.
They aren't the number of searches, they are the number of search results.
Even if it was searches, them being equal doesn't mean everyone who searched for one searched for the other.

Calculating number of believers in March 2019
We'll use same method that we always use.
So still using the same flawed method giving you completely useless results.
So again, the same disproof:

Number of Jesus believers: 2.2 billion.
Search results for Jesus: 1.22 billion.
Search results for water: 16.61 billion.
Number of water believers: 2.2 billion * 16.61 billion / 1.22 billion = 29.95 billion.

So the number of water believers has risen dramatically up to 29.95 billion people. That is roughly 4 times the population of Earth.
So now we have 4 times as many people as exist believing in water.

So where are all these people hiding?

Nice to see you throwing the first stone, because it is clear that you are more quality than all NASA defenders here. Most of them has an empty head.
The "NASA defenders" aren't the ones confusing search results with searches, nor are they effectively claiming 4 times as many people as exist believe in water.

I think it is quite clear who has the empty head.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on March 11, 2019, 01:42:59 PM
There is only one thing to say.  Wise clearly doesn't know how Google analytics and how search results work.  It is all laid out by Google on their page of what the numbers means, what the charts tell you.  Wise ignores it and comes up with his own conclusions.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on March 11, 2019, 10:53:40 PM
I think it is quite clear who has the empty head.

We have discussed the eample of water earlier. I havd put forward that you can compare only comperative things in same category. You can compare water with oil only. You can compare vegetables with themselves, fruids with themselves. Jesus, nasa, flat earth and such things are in same category as "belief", I do not mean religion but belief.

I know most of deniers of this issue have empty head. If you would not, so you would remember this discussing. I don't want to discuss the same things over and over again. man understands at a time. my job is only with human.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on March 12, 2019, 01:54:49 PM
We have discussed the eample of water earlier.
Yes we have. You have been completely unable to justify why it should be treated separately to FE, Jesus and NASA, nor any reason why FE, Jesus and NASA should be treated as one. These three are clearly in vastly different categories.
One is a real organisation which exists in reality. Another is a religion which is falsified on a daily basis by plenty of evidence, yet still has a society trying to claim it is real. The other is a religion which tries to be unfalsifiable.

If you want to try equating them to belief, then the same can be said about anything, such as belief in water, or belief in a particular fruit or vegetable or animal or mineral. Why should these beliefs be put in a different category?

You have failed to provide any reason why the number of search results should equate to the number of believers, even when you restrict it to the same category.

I know most of deniers of this issue have empty head.
Yes, it does seem that deniers like you have an empty head.

We have been over it before, yet you deny these problems and just continue using the same fundamentally flawed methodology.

If you don't want to discuss the same things over and over either provide a justification for your methodology, which involves stating all the variables which impact search results so you can show that your comparisons are valid, or stop using the same fundamentally flawed methodology.
Until you do that, I will continue bringing up the water example to expose your flawed methodology.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on March 12, 2019, 03:57:38 PM
We have discussed the eample of water earlier.
Yes we have. You have been completely unable to justify why it should be treated separately to FE, Jesus and NASA, nor any reason why FE, Jesus and NASA should be treated as one. These three are clearly in vastly different categories.
One is a real organisation which exists in reality. Another is a religion which is falsified on a daily basis by plenty of evidence, yet still has a society trying to claim it is real. The other is a religion which tries to be unfalsifiable.

If you want to try equating them to belief, then the same can be said about anything, such as belief in water, or belief in a particular fruit or vegetable or animal or mineral. Why should these beliefs be put in a different category?

You have failed to provide any reason why the number of search results should equate to the number of believers, even when you restrict it to the same category.

I know most of deniers of this issue have empty head.
Yes, it does seem that deniers like you have an empty head.

We have been over it before, yet you deny these problems and just continue using the same fundamentally flawed methodology.

If you don't want to discuss the same things over and over either provide a justification for your methodology, which involves stating all the variables which impact search results so you can show that your comparisons are valid, or stop using the same fundamentally flawed methodology.
Until you do that, I will continue bringing up the water example to expose your flawed methodology.

FE, Jesus and NASA ,n same cetegory, ie belief. You have not to agree NASA's being a belief but represants a belief. You are free to agree them as a real scientific instutation, but they are not. NASA is not different other than our great society. Just they are more rich. If we could have same budget, so I'm sure we could been more convincing than them.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on March 12, 2019, 04:14:50 PM
FE, Jesus and NASA ,n same cetegory, ie belief.
Again, this is no better than just asserting FE, Jesus, NASA and water are in the same category, i.e. belief. You have not to agree water being a belief, but represents a belief.

You need far more than a baseless assertion. You need to justify why they should all be in the same category but water shouldn't. You need to justify why no other factors should influence it. You haven't.
As such, my inclusion of water is just as valid as your inclusion of FE and NASA.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on March 12, 2019, 09:39:54 PM
I havd put forward that you can compare only comperative things in same category. You can compare water with oil only. You can compare vegetables with themselves, fruids with themselves.

How do legumes factor in?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on March 12, 2019, 11:36:15 PM
FE, Jesus and NASA ,n same cetegory, ie belief.
Again, this is no better than just asserting FE, Jesus, NASA and water are in the same category, i.e. belief. You have not to agree water being a belief, but represents a belief.

You need far more than a baseless assertion. You need to justify why they should all be in the same category but water shouldn't. You need to justify why no other factors should influence it. You haven't.
As such, my inclusion of water is just as valid as your inclusion of FE and NASA.

Again and again, they are not in same category. You can drink water but you can not drink neither FE, nor Jesus, nor NASA. But you can drink oil. So that water and oil in same category. I know you are unable to get this because it is relevant with emptiness of your head.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on March 12, 2019, 11:37:54 PM
I havd put forward that you can compare only comperative things in same category. You can compare water with oil only. You can compare vegetables with themselves, fruids with themselves.

How do legumes factor in?

I think you can compare pods and chickpeas. The result of the search will result in close to consumption rates. So we may try it, if you will agree the results.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on March 12, 2019, 11:57:03 PM
FE, Jesus and NASA ,n same cetegory, ie belief.
Again, this is no better than just asserting FE, Jesus, NASA and water are in the same category, i.e. belief. You have not to agree water being a belief, but represents a belief.

You need far more than a baseless assertion. You need to justify why they should all be in the same category but water shouldn't. You need to justify why no other factors should influence it. You haven't.
As such, my inclusion of water is just as valid as your inclusion of FE and NASA.

Again and again, they are not in same category. You can drink water but you can not drink neither FE, nor Jesus, nor NASA. But you can drink oil. So that water and oil in same category. I know you are unable to get this because it is relevant with emptiness of your head.

Incorrect, I can drink the blood of Christ at communion just as easily as I can drink water & oil. Therefore, you should be comparing the drinking of water, oil and Jesus = Same category.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on March 13, 2019, 12:08:27 AM
FE, Jesus and NASA ,n same cetegory, ie belief.
Again, this is no better than just asserting FE, Jesus, NASA and water are in the same category, i.e. belief. You have not to agree water being a belief, but represents a belief.

You need far more than a baseless assertion. You need to justify why they should all be in the same category but water shouldn't. You need to justify why no other factors should influence it. You haven't.
As such, my inclusion of water is just as valid as your inclusion of FE and NASA.

Again and again, they are not in same category. You can drink water but you can not drink neither FE, nor Jesus, nor NASA. But you can drink oil. So that water and oil in same category. I know you are unable to get this because it is relevant with emptiness of your head.

Incorrect, I can drink the blood of Christ at communion just as easily as I can drink water & oil. Therefore, you should be comparing the drinking of water, oil and Jesus = Same category.

You can drink everything according to your theory. you can liquefy all solid objects and liquefy all gases by some means. but you still can't drink the flat earth,, just like the NASA. but you can believe them. And you do not see the Jesus and still can not drink him. Sad to see your head is going to be smaller and seemingly going to be empty like Jack's.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on March 13, 2019, 02:45:16 AM
Again and again, they are not in same category.
Again, ON WHAT BASIS?
You can easily claim that any of those are in separate categories.
For example, NASA is the only government agency there.
Jesus is allegedly the sun of God, or otherwise a fictionalised historical figure or a fictionalised and unified collection of historical figures, or a purely mythical/fictional character.
FE is just a conspiracy cult., or if you would like, a claim about the shape of Earth.

These are vastly different things, yet you are happy to group them together, but then you complain when I group water into it.
But the only real reason you are complaining is because it shows your analysis is garbage.

You have absolutely no reason to group these three into the same category at the exclusion of water to try and pretend that only these 3, and not water, match up with search results and number of believers.

Again, justify the connection between the three which does not work equally for water, or stop using the methodology.

Me realising your methodology is fundamentally flawed and pointing that out doesn't make me empty headed.
You not being able to defend your methodology and continuing to use it sure seems to indicate you are empty headed.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 13, 2019, 01:51:12 PM
This working is delayed because of elections in Istanbul, I was busy. I've forgot to update this statistics page. Now it is on.

Update 05 May, 2019 the year of revolution

Jesus 1.540.000.000
محمد. 892.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 231.000.000
flat earth 521.000.000
nasa: 461.000.000

For the first time, number of flat earth believers is more than number of NASA believers.

Calculating number of believers in May 2019

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.540.000.000
Search to flat earth: 521.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 521.000.000 / 1.540.000.000 = 744.285.714

Number of NASA believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 461.000.000 / 1.540.000.000 = 658.571.429

Number of flat earth believers was 802.620.689 in March 2019.

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers decreased 7% in two months.

In same period,

Number of NASA believers decreased 13% in two months.

Rate of flat earth believers in all population in entire world: 744/7700 = 10% of the world is believing the earth is flat.

Rate of NASA believers in all population in entire world: 658/7700 = 9% of the world is believing to the NASA.

So;

10% of people believe the earth is flat
9% of people believe the earth is how NASA says,
81% of people are indecisive.

Throw the first stone who of you are geting more salary from NASA.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on May 13, 2019, 02:25:48 PM
I've forgot to update this statistics page.
There is no need. It is still pure garbage.

Update 05 May, 2019 the year of revolution

Jesus 1,080,000,000

water 11,610,000,000

We'll use same broken nonsense that you always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1,080,000,000
Search to water: 11,610,000,000

Number of water believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 11,610,000,000 / 1,080,000,000 = 23650000000

In other say,

We still have more people believing in water than exist.
As such, your method remains pure garbage.

Grow up.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 13, 2019, 11:30:32 PM
<parasite deleted>
You're not here to critise anything but insulting. This issue has explained you countless time, water and Jesus isn't in same category. You can compare water with only "oil". But you deny the fact and I've decided you're hopeless case. Your posts are absent in my opinion. Your posts are full of garbage, your statements are unfair, and you are not here to share or learn anything but prevent people share ideas themselves. You are an internet parasite / virus has to be get deleted.

You've said same objection earlier many times, and I told that this onjection isn't valid and I'll not care it. Even so you're repeating same shit, although you know I'll not take it in account. Inother say, you are writing something that you know it will not take in the account at all. You are a full waste of time, You are a full waste of time even for your parents.

I am not here to share anything with you. People isn't here to share you anything. People isn'T here to ask anything to you. Why are you here other than harass people?

Stop to use words as secret keys. Writing "grow up" doesn't make you grown, just shows you ugly and childish.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on May 13, 2019, 11:56:00 PM
<parasite deleted>
You're not here to critise anything but insulting. This issue has explained you countless time, water and Jesus isn't in same category. You can compare water with only "oil". But you deny the fact and I've decided you're hopeless case. Your posts are absent in my opinion. Your posts are full of garbage, your statements are unfair, and you are not here to share or learn anything but prevent people share ideas themselves. You are an internet parasite / virus has to be get deleted.

You've said same appeal earlier many times, and I told that this appeal isn't valid and I'll not care it. Even so you're repeating same shit, although you know I'll not take it in account. Inother say, you are writing something that you know it will not take in the account at all. You are a full waste of time, You are a full waste of time even for your parents.

Writing "grow up" doesn't make you grown, just show you ugly and childish.

For the billionth time here's why your methodology belongs in the waste bin:

A) You're simply using the estimated number of results for a given search term as described by Google:

"When you perform a search, the results are often displayed with the information: About XXXX results (X seconds).
Google's calculation of the total number of search results is an estimate. We understand that a ballpark figure is valuable, and by providing an estimate rather than an exact account, we can return quality search results faster."

B) The results numbers returned have nothing to do with being a "believer" or not. It's just the estimated number sites (mentions) that are relevant based upon that keyword.
If I type in 'Jesus' and get "About 1,080,000,000 results (0.55 seconds)", by your logic, all 1,080,000,000 results should start off, "You are a Believer in Jesus..." regardless of which one of the billion I click on. That is absurd.

C) You're better off just using google trends from an "interest", not "believer", point of view. And just compare over time apples to apples. For instance, in google trends, 'flat earth' trends like this over the past 5 years:

(https://i.imgur.com/JNilaA1.png?1)

And like this over the last 90 days:

(https://i.imgur.com/gs2ZjrD.png?1)

And if you want to get ridiculous and compare apple to oranges to kumquats, here's a 'flat earth', 'nasa', 'jesus' 5 year "interest" view.:

(https://i.imgur.com/a20NAYE.png?1)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on May 14, 2019, 12:16:01 AM

Solid work Stash.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 14, 2019, 02:05:13 AM
Parasites in the forum are trying to prevent people see this solid working:

This working is delayed because of elections in Istanbul, I was busy. I've forgot to update this statistics page. Now it is on.

Update 05 May, 2019 the year of revolution

Jesus 1.540.000.000
محمد. 892.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 231.000.000
flat earth 521.000.000
nasa: 461.000.000

For the first time, number of flat earth believers is more than number of NASA believers.

Calculating number of believers in May 2019

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.540.000.000
Search to flat earth: 521.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 521.000.000 / 1.540.000.000 = 744.285.714

Number of NASA believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 461.000.000 / 1.540.000.000 = 658.571.429

Number of flat earth believers was 802.620.689 in March 2019.

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers decreased 7% in two months.

In same period,

Number of NASA believers decreased 13% in two months.

Rate of flat earth believers in all population in entire world: 744/7700 = 10% of the world is believing the earth is flat.

Rate of NASA believers in all population in entire world: 658/7700 = 9% of the world is believing to the NASA.

So;

10% of people believe the earth is flat
9% of people believe the earth is how NASA says,
81% of people are indecisive.

Throw the first stone who of you are geting more salary from NASA.

As a result, number of FE believers are more than NASA believers in May 2019, year of revolution.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on May 14, 2019, 03:03:46 AM
You're not here to critise anything but insulting.
No. I am here to criticise your method. You are using an approach which does not work.
You cannot simply equate the number of results to the number of believers. It is far more complex than that.
Even if you wish to assert you can do it for a subset, you still have massive issues as you are yet to demonstrate that you can (and you can't, the simplest example of this is just putting in different terms for the same belief and different results, but you also have the example of Jesus, Mo and Hindu where Hinduism is massively underrepresented, even though that is a religion), nor have you demonstrated that FE, NASA and Jesus all belong in the same category.
Jesus is a mythical figure from the religion of Christianity.
FE is a false, refuted idea about the shape of Earth.
NASA is an organisation.
These are vastly different things and there is no reason to think grouping them together is any more valid than including water.

So cut the crap. Your excuses do not work to justify your method.
You are yet to show your method is valid or that my objections are unsound. Until you do, I will continue to bring up these objections whenever you use this horrible method.

Pointing out these massive issues is not harassing you.
However, you ignoring these issues and just repeating your same nonsense shows your lack of honesty and integrity.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 14, 2019, 03:05:47 AM
(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/58zQBa.png)

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 14, 2019, 03:11:46 AM
No. I am here to criticise your method. You are using an approach which does not work.

You are saying lie. Your are aiming to prevent people arrive and discuss with me or other FE scientists. You are clearly like a billet on the way has to be removed from the path.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on May 14, 2019, 04:18:33 AM
You are saying lie. Your are aiming to prevent people arrive and discuss with me or other FE scientists. You are clearly like a billet on the way has to be removed from the path.
Are you going to try and defend your method? If not, why bother continuing to use it?

You aren't a scientist. Stop pretending to be one.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 14, 2019, 06:15:48 AM
You aren't a scientist.
Nope, I am. You are not deciding anything here. You are not a right of critize my methods because you are not a scientist.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: sokarul on May 14, 2019, 07:57:36 AM
I am a scientist and I think you are wrong. As they stated, your method sucks.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on May 14, 2019, 10:02:27 AM
(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/58zQBa.png)

Here's an interesting one. Google 'interests' over the past 30 days:
- Worldwide
- 'Flat Earth', 'NASA', & 'Elon Musk'

(https://i.imgur.com/RoLyGSH.png?1)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on May 14, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
Nope, I am. You are not deciding anything here. You are not a right of critize my methods because you are not a scientist.
If you were a scientist you would accept criticism of your work and either defend your method or admit your method doesn't work and stop using it.

The fact that you continue to use your invalid method even when the problems with it have been pointed out repeatedly and you simply ignore these problems show that you are not a scientist.

Now like I said, either defend your method or stop using it. Until you do so, I will continue to expose it.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Themightykabool on May 14, 2019, 03:26:28 PM
This is thesame guy who is making a map based on flight times???
Key word time.

Time
....

Anyone surpised his other method of calculations is wacko?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on May 14, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
Again and again and again. TYPING "FLAT EARTH" IN A SEARCH BAR DOES NOT EQUAL BELIEVING THE EARTH IS FLAT!

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on May 14, 2019, 11:34:44 PM
It's really interesting to delve into the google trend data. Here's another slice. Again, just YouTube search interest on flat earth going back to 2008 worldwide. I find the YouTube interest trends most interesting because that's really where the focus has been for the past few years. As well, I think starting earlier this year Google announced they would would be staving the recommendations of vids on YT that promoted  borderline content (https://youtube.googleblog.com/2019/01/continuing-our-work-to-improve.html) (Google's words, not mine; flat earth was mentioned in the same breath as 'miracle cures' and 9/11 Truthers...). So it will be interesting to see what impact that has on the flat earth interest trends.

For instance, what happened on YT around December 2014 to cause YT FE interest to hockey stick up to 100? What kicked that off? What caused the severe downward trend in October 2017? All cool stuff I'd like to figure out. Input, anecdotal or otherwise appreciated.

(https://i.imgur.com/pYp3iA5.png?1)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 15, 2019, 12:05:04 AM
Again and again and again. TYPING "FLAT EARTH" IN A SEARCH BAR DOES NOT EQUAL BELIEVING THE EARTH IS FLAT!

Again, again and again. We can get the ratio of believers in people typing flat earth as close as number of Jesus believers people type "JESUS" in search bar.

Get it Here to laugh at you??
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on May 15, 2019, 12:08:22 AM
Nope, I am. You are not deciding anything here. You are not a right of critize my methods because you are not a scientist.
If you were a scientist you would accept criticism of your work and either defend your method or admit your method doesn't work and stop using it.

The fact that you continue to use your invalid method even when the problems with it have been pointed out repeatedly and you simply ignore these problems show that you are not a scientist.

Now like I said, either defend your method or stop using it. Until you do so, I will continue to expose it.

There is nothing around debunk my workings. You and your other alt membership rabinoz are constantly repeating same baseless BS are not critism. You're just parasite of this forum. You are a contradiction of this life that God has created you unnecessiraly. Because you are not working for anything positive or negative in this world, just air pollution.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on May 15, 2019, 12:53:22 AM
Again and again and again. TYPING "FLAT EARTH" IN A SEARCH BAR DOES NOT EQUAL BELIEVING THE EARTH IS FLAT!

Again, again and again. We can get the ratio of believers in people typing flat earth as close as number of Jesus believers people type "JESUS" in search bar.

Actually, no you can't. Not at all in fact. Just because someone types, "flat earth" in google does not make one a 'believer'. I type that all the time. Capiche?

As well, you are just looking at the search "returns", not what people are searching on.
Capiche?

Your methodology makes no sense. Sorry, it's been debunked.

Let's work together to find a better way to display metrics. I think I have one that I will give to you.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on May 15, 2019, 03:49:25 AM
Again, again and again. We can get the ratio of believers in people typing flat earth as close as number of Jesus believers people type "JESUS" in search bar.
You are yet to substantiate that in any way.
Stop just asserting nonsense.

Also, that isn't what you are doing.
You are looking at the number of results, not the number of people searching for it.

There is nothing around debunk my workings.
Again, you just ignoring it doesn't magically mean it doesn't exist.
The debunk of your nonsense remains.
You are yet to provide any justification for why it should work. So far all it is is your baseless claim.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on May 15, 2019, 08:47:49 AM
Again and again and again. TYPING "FLAT EARTH" IN A SEARCH BAR DOES NOT EQUAL BELIEVING THE EARTH IS FLAT!

Again, again and again. We can get the ratio of believers in people typing flat earth as close as number of Jesus believers people type "JESUS" in search bar.

Get it Here to laugh at you??

No sir, you can not. I would argue that most searches are performed in incredulity. "Are there really people that believe this nonsense" kind of incredulity.

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Macarios on May 20, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
How many people search for "round earth" ?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Themightykabool on May 21, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
Or unicorns
Or bigfoot
Or extension cords with two male ends.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on May 21, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Or extension cords with two male ends.
They are great for powering isolated networks temporarily.
Or for screwing up houses with multi-phase wiring.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Themightykabool on May 23, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
Are you serious thats a thing?!!
Or am i mistaking some sort of rare ol' man jackb sarcasm?
Hahah
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on May 23, 2019, 01:46:06 PM
Are you serious thats a thing?!!
Or am i mistaking some sort of rare ol' man jackb sarcasm?
Hahah
It was more the piggy back ones (i.e. male plug with female socket in the plug, that way you don't lose a socket)
Some people would wire up sheds or the like on an isolated power network, and then have a lead with 2 male ends to connect it to their house/some place with power.

It resulted in the piggy back power plugs getting far harder to buy because of the whole live metal prongs being exposed thing.

I'm not sure if it is just a legend/myth, but I have heard stories of it happening and wouldn't be surprised if people did it.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Themightykabool on May 23, 2019, 02:04:48 PM
haha

"widow maker".
haha
well so looks like if you can't buy one doesn't prevent dumbasses from making one.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on June 03, 2019, 10:14:47 PM
May Google Trends for 'Flat Earth' Search (Go New Zealand!):

(https://i.imgur.com/Coi6R0s.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 08, 2019, 05:42:26 PM
Since I've started tracking Google Trends (March 4th, 2019 to Current):

'flat earth' web searches, worldwide:

(https://i.imgur.com/Tt9V3h4.png?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/g65GUOV.png?1)

Baseline impressive if you go back 5 years to date:

'flat earth' web searches, worldwide (Past 5 Years):

(https://i.imgur.com/RwG8oMy.png?1)

'flat earth' YouTube searches, worldwide (Past 5 Years):

(https://i.imgur.com/lhIhBnD.png?1)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 08, 2019, 11:58:23 PM
Update 9 July 2019

Jesus 1.740.000.000
محمد. 923.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 262.000.000
flat earth 531.000.000
nasa: 471.000.000

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.740.000.000
Search to flat earth: 531.000.000
Search to nasa: 471.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 531.000.000 / 1.740.000.000 = 671.379.310

Number of NASA believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 471.000.000 / 1.740.000.000 = 595.517.241

Summery chart of statistics has been added to the OP.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 12:21:44 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/QomasZw.png?1)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Smoke Machine on July 09, 2019, 01:53:20 AM
Stash, thanks for an accurate graph. Jesus, muslim, hindu, and NASA, are all doing well, but, umm, interest in flat earth looks to be, should I say, "flat"lining. Yet, wise says belief of flat earth exceeds NASA believers?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 02:12:31 AM
Stash, thanks for an accurate graph. Jesus, muslim, hindu, and NASA, are all doing well, but, umm, interest in flat earth looks to be, should I say, "flat"lining. Yet, wise says belief of flat earth exceeds NASA believers?

In my market experience I would say FE is trending ok. Not great and not horrible. Definitely room for improvement. With a steady decline there needs to be another kick, like whatever that was, back around 2014, to keep it level+. Otherwise, it will probably flatline and just stay steady down low. Which is fine depending upon who you ask.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 03:30:12 AM
And you are still using the same broken method.

Let's see if it has magically fixed itself.

Update 9 July 2019

Jesus 1.310.000.000
Water 10.970.000.000

We'll use same complete garbage method that we always use, were we foolishly pretend that the number of search results is magically proportional to the number of believers, with no other contributing factors at all.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.310.000.000
Search to water: 10.970.000.000

Number of water believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 10.970.000.000 / 1.310.000.000 = 18.422.900.63

And still more than the population of Earth.

So still a completely useless method that cannot be used to determine the number of believers.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 03:40:45 AM
And you are still using the same broken method.

Let's see if it has magically fixed itself.

Update 9 July 2019

Jesus 1.310.000.000
Water 10.970.000.000

We'll use same complete garbage method that we always use, were we foolishly pretend that the number of search results is magically proportional to the number of believers, with no other contributing factors at all.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.310.000.000
Search to water: 10.970.000.000

Number of water believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 10.970.000.000 / 1.310.000.000 = 18.422.900.63

And still more than the population of Earth.

So still a completely useless method that cannot be used to determine the number of believers.

Again, again and again you are doing same mistake. You can not compare things in different categories. Is it really hard to get this simple logic? You can compare water only with oil as a fair comparing as I said many times. I think you are not human bot a robot, otherwise you would remember it. Same mistake which you constantly do, same mistake does not magically make your example true. You are still, again and again a vaste of time.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 04:41:05 AM
Again, again and again you are doing same mistake.
Yes, that is right, I am following the exact same mistake you are.
You are pretending that you can treat the number of search results as a scaled version of the number of believers.
This is a massive mistake which I am doing to show the ridiculous number you get.

You can not compare things in different categories. Is it really hard to get this simple logic?
No, but it sure seems to be for you.
You compare religious figures to FE and NASA. Three very different categories.
Yet you pretend you can.

You have provided no justification for your methodology.
I have pointed it out many times, yet you keep doing it.

Same mistake which you constantly do, same mistake does not magically make your example true. You are still, again and again a vaste of time.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 04:46:15 AM
Again, again and again you are doing same mistake.
Yes, that is right, I am following the exact same mistake you are.
Nope. You are comparing water is an element and a man, Jesus represents a belief. Water isn't a belief. You can compare beliefs with themselves and I did it, results are consistent. You can compare water with only oil. You are following your same mistake and dind same wrong result. You can't get rid of your cave of globularism because of you are blind. Everybody has enough intelligence can get how you are in pathetic globularist anger is targeting an issue with wrong way that you have not a hope in your case. repeating same BS does not magically makes it true.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 04:51:30 AM
Water isn't a belief.
Yes, just like Jesus isn't, Flat Earth isn't, and NASA isn't.
Yet you pretend they are all the same and can be compared.
Why do you make this same mistake again and again?

You can have belief in any of them.
People can believe in water.
People can believe in Jesus.
People can believe in NASA.
People can believe in FE.

What magically makes your comparisons just fine, but mine not?
It clearly isn't them being beliefs or lack thereof.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 05:22:14 AM
Water isn't a belief.
Yes, just like Jesus isn't, Flat Earth isn't, and NASA isn't.
Yet you pretend they are all the same and can be compared.
Why do you make this same mistake again and again?

You can have belief in any of them.
People can believe in water.
People can believe in Jesus.
People can believe in NASA.
People can believe in FE.

What magically makes your comparisons just fine, but mine not?
It clearly isn't them being beliefs or lack thereof.

You can not touch Jesus, it is imaginary.
You can not touch flat earth, it is theory.
You can not touch NASA, it is an instutite.

But they can have a common point, you can believe them and your belief is the main source of your search.

But you don't need to believe water, you can drink it. Drinking the water is the main source of your searching it. So you can compare it with other drinks. these methods have been used for years and healthy results are obtained. but as a blind globalist you cannot get out of your cave of ignorance.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: jimster on July 09, 2019, 11:50:11 AM
There have been 12 posts on the Believer's board by a total of 6 people so far this year.

No FE movement in schools. No textbook. No map. No usefulness. No evidence. No astronomer, ship captain (or sailor, actually), or geographer, or ham radio operator, or gps engineer, or pilot, or anyone whose daily life involves the shape of the earth has come out. If some know and are under physical threat from all powerful secret organisations, why don't they come after FES? AnyFEs here ever get threatened by NASA? If not, that is really pathetic, FES is not a threat to them.

Although my advice may not be appreciated, if you had a flat map with constant scale and accurate distances everywhere, FE would take off like a rocket. Yet no FE ever seems to present one. I say that is the key, and FE should focus on that. Without a map, you are not legit, not real, not credible, not believable.

Why worry about the number of believers, why not first produce scientifically accurate, well proven, and well presented videos, a map, a ring laser gyroscope that does not precess 15 degrees/hr, and a map. Then FE will go viral among the general population instead of just the conspiracy addicts.

If you want FE to take off, you need a map. Have you considered devoting all your FE efforts to a map and not posting until you have it?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 11:53:32 AM
Water isn't a belief.
Yes, just like Jesus isn't, Flat Earth isn't, and NASA isn't.
Yet you pretend they are all the same and can be compared.
Why do you make this same mistake again and again?

You can have belief in any of them.
People can believe in water.
People can believe in Jesus.
People can believe in NASA.
People can believe in FE.

What magically makes your comparisons just fine, but mine not?
It clearly isn't them being beliefs or lack thereof.

You can not touch Jesus, it is imaginary.

Sure you can, on Sundays at communion. You can drink his blood and eat his body.

You can not touch flat earth, it is theory.

Sure you can, I just touched the ground.

You can not touch NASA, it is an instutite.

Well, you got me there. Though I suppose I could hug an astronaut.

But they can have a common point, you can believe them and your belief is the main source of your search.

But you don't need to believe water, you can drink it. Drinking the water is the main source of your searching it. So you can compare it with other drinks. these methods have been used for years and healthy results are obtained. but as a blind globalist you cannot get out of your cave of ignorance.

How would you know that the drinking of water is the main source of searching for it? There's water in the bath and in the toilet, both of which I will not be drinking.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Smoke Machine on July 09, 2019, 12:25:59 PM
I'm sure I searched fe in the last month, and that search didn't transform me into a flat earth believer. Your formula for calculating believers, is flawed oh wise one. I would argue most of those searches into flat earth are in utter "disbelief".

Perhaps the new book, "The Homoeccentric" universe" book, will kink, er I mean kick, it back up to level.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 12:36:27 PM
...
If you want FE to take off, you need a map. Have you considered devoting all your FE efforts to a map and not posting until you have it?
How funny. Did you ever read the topic our martyries (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=75588.0)? on average, our 6 members disappear mysteriously every year. Our computer is under 24 hours control by secret service agens work for NASA. we are constantly under threat and pressure. and you say that no one is bothering us. how funny.

I completed a map study completely. and I lost serious time for it.  I had needed help of Someone who knows graphic mapping for finalizing the map. but no such person was ever found. the management under control did not help me at all. Even John Davis, who had promised to help at the beginning, did not keep his promise, perhaps somebody forbade him to keep his promise. I'm not hiding behind excuses, but those are all we can do in impossibilities.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: jimster on July 09, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
Other than that some handle does not post any more, do you have any other reason to believe they were murdered?

I volunteer to help you with your map. Show me your map and I will check it for consistency with known facts. As to finalizing it, if the map does not conform to the reality of the shape of the earth, it can never be finalized. That is the impossibility.

John Davis, are you under NASA control to not help Wise with his map? Oh, silly me, of course NASA will make him deny it.

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 01:07:56 PM
...
If you want FE to take off, you need a map. Have you considered devoting all your FE efforts to a map and not posting until you have it?
How funny. Did you ever read the topic our martyries (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=75588.0)? on average, our 6 members disappear mysteriously every year. Our computer is under 24 hours control by secret service agens work for NASA. we are constantly under threat and pressure. and you say that no one is bothering us. how funny.

You ever stop to consider how many Globe Earth members disappear mysteriously every year? Did NASA agents dispatch them as well? How funny indeed.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 02:38:38 PM
You can not touch flat earth, it is theory.
No, it isn't a theory. It is a bunch of contradictory models.
But thanks for admitting Earth isn't flat, because if it was, every time you touch Earth you would be touching Flat Earth.

But they can have a common point, you can believe them and your belief is the main source of your search.
And they have massive differences.
If you wish to assert belief is the main source of search results you will need to back that up.
Especially as plenty will be pointing out that the belief is false.

I also highly doubt most people search NASA for belief.
NASA is a very real institution. It is far more comparable to water than the fiction you try to compare it to.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: dutchy on July 09, 2019, 02:45:43 PM
I also highly doubt most people search NASA for belief.
NASA is a very real institution. It is far more comparable to water than the fiction you try to compare it to.
But NASA was founded as the ''National Aeronautics and Space Administration''. ::)
While in reality it was a tentacle from the military to try to gain the upperhand in space.
"If I could get one message to you it would be this: the future of this country and the welfare of the free world depends upon our success in space. There is no room in this country for any but a fully cooperative, urgently motivated all-out effort toward space leadership. No one person, no one company, no one government agency, has a monopoly on the competence, the missions, or the requirements for the space program." President Lyndon B. Johnson

Maybe NASA is an institute, but it was very deceptive about what it really was...there you go !!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
I also highly doubt most people search NASA for belief.
NASA is a very real institution. It is far more comparable to water than the fiction you try to compare it to.
But NASA was founded as the ''National Aeronautics and Space Administration''. ::)
While in reality it was a tentacle from the military to try to gain the upperhand in space.
"If I could get one message to you it would be this: the future of this country and the welfare of the free world depends upon our success in space. There is no room in this country for any but a fully cooperative, urgently motivated all-out effort toward space leadership. No one person, no one company, no one government agency, has a monopoly on the competence, the missions, or the requirements for the space program." President Lyndon B. Johnson

Maybe NASA is an institute, but it was very deceptive about what it really was...there you go !!

Ummm, everyone knew that. Remember, it was called the "Space Race" for a reason. What's your point?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: dutchy on July 09, 2019, 03:11:55 PM
I also highly doubt most people search NASA for belief.
NASA is a very real institution. It is far more comparable to water than the fiction you try to compare it to.
But NASA was founded as the ''National Aeronautics and Space Administration''. ::)
While in reality it was a tentacle from the military to try to gain the upperhand in space.
"If I could get one message to you it would be this: the future of this country and the welfare of the free world depends upon our success in space. There is no room in this country for any but a fully cooperative, urgently motivated all-out effort toward space leadership. No one person, no one company, no one government agency, has a monopoly on the competence, the missions, or the requirements for the space program." President Lyndon B. Johnson

Maybe NASA is an institute, but it was very deceptive about what it really was...there you go !!

Ummm, everyone knew that. Remember, it was called the "Space Race" for a reason. What's your point?
It should have been named ..National Aeronautics and Armament of Space
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 03:21:54 PM
You can not touch flat earth, it is theory.
No, it isn't a theory. It is a bunch of contradictory models.
But thanks for admitting Earth isn't flat, because if it was, every time you touch Earth you would be touching Flat Earth.

But they can have a common point, you can believe them and your belief is the main source of your search.
And they have massive differences.
If you wish to assert belief is the main source of search results you will need to back that up.
Especially as plenty will be pointing out that the belief is false.

I also highly doubt most people search NASA for belief.
NASA is a very real institution. It is far more comparable to water than the fiction you try to compare it to.

Stop to do word salad. I know how I can categorise things. I am that with an exact way that everybody can get it, water definitely isn't in the category of nasa, flat earth and jesus. If you aware of it, you are telling same thing but I don't care your childish objections. Does not it mean anything to you? You're wrong so I don't care your suggestion. Even you would right I would not listen what you say. Because you are unable to do anything true, even mistakenly.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 03:24:01 PM
I also highly doubt most people search NASA for belief.
NASA is a very real institution. It is far more comparable to water than the fiction you try to compare it to.
But NASA was founded as the ''National Aeronautics and Space Administration''. ::)
While in reality it was a tentacle from the military to try to gain the upperhand in space.
"If I could get one message to you it would be this: the future of this country and the welfare of the free world depends upon our success in space. There is no room in this country for any but a fully cooperative, urgently motivated all-out effort toward space leadership. No one person, no one company, no one government agency, has a monopoly on the competence, the missions, or the requirements for the space program." President Lyndon B. Johnson

Maybe NASA is an institute, but it was very deceptive about what it really was...there you go !!

Ummm, everyone knew that. Remember, it was called the "Space Race" for a reason. What's your point?
It should have been named ..National Aeronautics and Armament of Space

Maybe more appropriate. But so what? Again, no mystery or deception there. I could be wrong, but I think it was Truman who said something like, "The nation that controls space, controls the world..." something like that. Anyway, NASA has a better ring to it than NAAS  ;)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
You can not touch flat earth, it is theory.
No, it isn't a theory. It is a bunch of contradictory models.
But thanks for admitting Earth isn't flat, because if it was, every time you touch Earth you would be touching Flat Earth.

But they can have a common point, you can believe them and your belief is the main source of your search.
And they have massive differences.
If you wish to assert belief is the main source of search results you will need to back that up.
Especially as plenty will be pointing out that the belief is false.

I also highly doubt most people search NASA for belief.
NASA is a very real institution. It is far more comparable to water than the fiction you try to compare it to.

Stop to do word salad. I know how I can categorise things.

Apparently you don't as everyone has been pointing out for months. You may know how you can categorize things but you certainly don't know how to categorize things.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: dutchy on July 09, 2019, 03:41:24 PM
Maybe more appropriate. But so what? Again, no mystery or deception there. I could be wrong, but I think it was Truman who said something like, "The nation that controls space, controls the world..." something like that. Anyway, NASA has a better ring to it than NAAS  ;)
Exactly...we agree for once  ;D

Most ordinary people think NASA was founded to simply explore space...not to gain the upperhand military in those days....
The name NASA let's a casual observer believe it was founded as an institute solely for space exploration, ...they were making sure their real intentions were partly blurred out by the name.
So NASA is indeed a real institute, but why and with what purpose it was founded was hidden underneath ''innocent'' space exploration on purpose.
So that the ordinary person believed it was about exciting space rockets and all....

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 03:58:43 PM
I know how I can categorise things.
Yes, and there are many ways to do.
You are yet to substantiate that your categorisation is valid and mine is not.
You have provided no real justification for why these vastly different topics should be treated as the same category, but water shouldn't be.

water definitely isn't in the category of nasa, flat earth and jesus.
And I would say that NASA is definitely not in the same category as FE and Jesus, and FE isn't in the same category as Jesus.
I would say they are all in completely different categories.

They are vastly different things and there is no reason to link them together at the exclusion of water.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 04:09:52 PM
Maybe more appropriate. But so what? Again, no mystery or deception there. I could be wrong, but I think it was Truman who said something like, "The nation that controls space, controls the world..." something like that. Anyway, NASA has a better ring to it than NAAS  ;)
Exactly...we agree for once  ;D

Most ordinary people think NASA was founded to simply explore space...not to gain the upperhand military in those days....
The name NASA let's a casual observer believe it was founded as an institute solely for space exploration, ...they were making sure their real intentions were partly blurred out by the name.
So NASA is indeed a real institute, but why and with what purpose it was founded was hidden underneath ''innocent'' space exploration on purpose.
So that the ordinary person believed it was about exciting space rockets and all....

Apparently ordinary people are not very bright.

Now, back to the topic at hand, giving Wise a hard time about his bizarre statistics gathering techniques...
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Themightykabool on July 09, 2019, 05:08:53 PM
https://images.app.goo.gl/3ciKk2mq54TA4TSd9

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on July 09, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
I realize wise is a fun target for you guys, but pls knock it off.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 09, 2019, 11:59:58 PM
Fair point. Wise has his way of calculating 'believers' and there's space for everyone to have a voice on the subject.

I did start diving into the numbers and came up with some entirely anecdotal, hardly scientific results. I picked 'New Posts' here and at TFES just to do a compare to see if I could target a trend. Again, super anecdotal, but what I found was interesting at least on a surface level.

Taking New Posts numbers from June of 2018 and comparing them to June of 2019, I found a 15% drop-off here at TheFlatEarthSociey.com. However, at TFES.org, I found a whopping 142% drop-off. Probably means nothing as I simply picked 'New Posts' as a metric and maybe it's the wrong one. But the numbers are interesting nonetheless.

(https://i.imgur.com/vjiR3Id.png?1)

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 12:44:12 AM
Proving our method how works:

This is the trends comparing İmamoğlu and Yıldırım:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/0HBV5x.png)

Imamoğlu leads the statistics has won the elections.

Elections in Greece comparison New Democracy and Radical left parties.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yfABR7.png)

New democracy party leads the Radical left in statistics. New democracy won the elections.

Italian elections. Matteo Salvini vs Berlusconi comparison.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/T7zxcy.png)

Salvini leads Berlusconi in statistics seem four times more. Salvini's party took votes four times more than Berlusconi's party.

Putin vs Grudinin.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/Bdbc34.png)

Putin was five times popular when election made in Russia and took 6 times more votings. Maybe a bit cheating happened in benefit of Putin.  :)

NASA vs Flat Earth.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/6HLVGT.png)

Flat Earth topic in science sub topic leads NASA in youtube search, ratio is 30 NASA to 34 Flat Earth. I've used youtube because flat earthers use youtube search but not web search generally.

We've calculated it as 595 nasa believers to 671m flat earth believers. If we convert it same type, it turns to 30 NASA to 33,8 Flat Earth. it is seen that the statistical method is appropriate.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Lonegranger on July 10, 2019, 12:48:26 AM
Fair point. Wise has his way of calculating 'believers' and there's space for everyone to have a voice on the subject.

I did start diving into the numbers and came up with some entirely anecdotal, hardly scientific results. I picked 'New Posts' here and at TFES just to do a compare to see if I could target a trend. Again, super anecdotal, but what I found was interesting at least on a surface level.

Taking New Posts numbers from June of 2018 and comparing them to June of 2019, I found a 15% drop-off here at TheFlatEarthSociey.com. However, at TFES.org, I found a whopping 142% drop-off. Probably means nothing as I simply picked 'New Posts' as a metric and maybe it's the wrong one. But the numbers are interesting nonetheless.

(https://i.imgur.com/vjiR3Id.png?1)

I think Wise is using the Mormon model. Just as they retrospectively baptise people who are long dead, Wise grants flat earth belief to random people. Though to be honest I really think Wise is on huge leg pulling chain yanking exercise and is much smarter than people imagine....;-)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on July 10, 2019, 12:57:00 AM
Flat Earth topic in science sub topic leads NASA in youtube search, ratio is 30 NASA to 34 Flat Earth. I've used youtube because flat earthers use youtube search but not web search generally.

We've calculated it as 595 nasa believers to 671m flat earth believers. If we convert it same type, it turns to 30 NASA to 33,8 Flat Earth. it is seen that the statistical method is appropriate.

Can you maybe restate what you mean by all of the above? It makes no sense. You're trying to convey something but it's not translating. I can help rephrase if need be.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 10, 2019, 01:14:18 AM
Proving our method how works:
This is the trends comparing İmamoğlu and Yıldırım:
Imamoğlu leads the statistics has won the elections.
Which does nothing to equate it to the number of believers, nor that your method is in any way correct.
You are using search results, not trends. They are quite different.

But even that doesn't work.
Look at Labour and Liberal for Australia.
Labour trends higher, but Liberal won.

I've used youtube because flat earthers use youtube search but not web search generally.
And what about those that accept NASA is real?
What do they normally use?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 02:25:20 AM
And what about those that accept NASA is real?
What do they normally use?
flat earthers directly search for source so that they directly look at youtube. but nasaers are looking youtube after they saw a news in web. so that web search is unproportional but youtube search is so.

Because you've ignored the parties Liberal Nationals, The Nationals and Country liberals which supported the coalition.   Inother say, your comparing liberals and labour isn't a valid example, because liberals have won it by support of their coalition members.

Liberals have won 44 chairs, their coalition has won 33 chairs so that 77 in total.
Labor party takes 68 chair isn't enough. But in fact the labor party still was more popular than liberals; 68 to 44.

Statistics say true one more time. Labors was leading the statistics and was leaded the elections too. Your cheatings don't tell the coalition and liberal party won because of coalition can not change the facts. It proves how you are pathetic trying to manipulate your own election results.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 10, 2019, 02:36:50 AM
but nasaers are looking youtube after they saw a news in web.
Which means youtube isn't the valid trend to use.
And even still, you are yet to show that trends correlate to belief.
Not everyone that searches for it believes.

Because you've ignored the parties Liberal Nationals, The Nationals and Country liberals which supported the coalition.
They are commonly know as Liberals.
But if you like, we can put it as the coalition instead. That puts Labour way out in front.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 03:05:09 AM
They are commonly know as Liberals.

You're lying again.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/C5efU0.png)

There are four party appearently different each other. Stop to saying lie to support your baseless claims. It is vast in vain because you are lying and only doing it becaue of anger about my workings. There is clearly a relationship and they are clearly different parties have their own voters.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 10, 2019, 04:03:27 AM
You're lying again.
No, I'm not.
I'm showing just how problematic your broken methodology is.

It is highly dependent upon exactly what words you pick.
You can easily manipulate the search to get whatever you want.

Look at the massively different results just from 4 different ways of searching for the labor party:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ykavsyd.png)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 04:37:38 AM
You're lying again.
No, I'm not.

yes you are.

imgur does not work in our office.

I've showed the statistics clearly shows these parties are clearly different. Stop lying anymore.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 10, 2019, 03:11:09 PM
imgur does not work in our office.
Then maybe you should focus on work?
Or are you being paid to shill for the failed Earth society, I mean flat Earth society?

I have shown clearly that depending on what words you pick you can get widely different results.

This shows your methodology is fundamentally flawed.

But all of this is a tangent, as it in no way links back to your prior claims about search results, rather than trends.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 03:13:51 AM
imgur does not work in our office.
Then maybe you should focus on work?
Or are you being paid to shill for the failed Earth society, I mean flat Earth society?

I have shown clearly that depending on what words you pick you can get widely different results.

This shows your methodology is fundamentally flawed.

But all of this is a tangent, as it in no way links back to your prior claims about search results, rather than trends.

Nope. You have showed how my method works perfectly.

Because you said;

Quote
Look at Labour and Liberal for Australia.
Labour trends higher, but Liberal won.

But there is nothing as labours and liberals in election; but Labour party and liberal party. And, labour party have got more voting than liberal party. You have counted even national party as liberals because of being its coalition. It is another simple trick of you. You have cornered so made up sush a cheating but it does not wash at all. Your manipulating the statistics neither change the reliablity of statistics, nor change the fact that you're a shameless liar.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 03:30:39 AM
Nope. You have showed how my method works perfectly.
No, I provided an example where it doesn't work.
You then provided another example where it produces different results for the same problem.
That shows just how unreliable it is.
It is highly selective to just what words you use.
It is even selective to if you put it in as a search term or a topic.

And again, it is a completely different method to what you were using before.
One is search trends, the other is search results.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 03:43:27 AM
Nope. You have showed how my method works perfectly.
No, I provided an example where it doesn't work.
You then provided another example where it produces different results for the same problem.

No, you have not provided example. You have just claimed something lie. Because you said Labour trends higher, but Liberal won; but liberal not won because there is nothing liberal in the elections, but liberal party. They are quite different things. If you want to compare liberal party and labour party then you write it as "liberal party" and "labour party", but not "liberals" and "labours". you cannot search for similar words to manipulate a statistic and compare it to the outcome of other things. You have to search same thing.

Now. Get stop to act like a child, grow up and stop to manipulate the events. Grow up, just growing up all you need to accept the truth. Give up lying, give up manipulating.

Your lying and manipulating are proving that my method is comletely fair, completly justify and completely reliable, although you deny however you want. Even Your denying  proves its being true because it is true whenever you say its being wrong. Because you are an incorrigible  liar and still deny the truth.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 04:53:28 AM
No, you have not provided example. You have just claimed something lie.
You not liking the example doesn't mean I didn't provide it.
You providing a different one doesn't mean I didn't provide it.
You not liking what words Australians use doesn't mean I didn't provide it.

I even demonstrated quite well that lots of people don't use the term you want.
Here is another example, this time making sure that I use search term:
(https://i.imgur.com/JRW1oeI.png)
And as you say you can't use imgur, I'll even be nice and give the key details.
The search terms used are:
Australian labor party, labor party, labour party, labor, labour

The relative values at the peak (on the day of election:
5, 21, 30, 85, 100.

So I don't really care if the party is officially called the Australian labor party.
That wont stop people searching for it as labor, or even the correct spelling of labour.
The same applies for liberals vs the liberal-national coalition.

The simple fact is it is highly dependent upon what terms you use.
This shows it is not a reliable method.

And again, this is completely different to using search results.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 05:37:08 AM
No, you have not provided example. You have just claimed something lie.
You not liking the example doesn't mean I didn't provide it.
It is not because I didn't like it because it is a wrong example. It isn't the example. I have proved your being a liar and manipulated the issue. I have proved your being a liar and announced it here:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=75636.msg2186154#msg2186154

Now all my readers will learn how you are manipulating the issues in benefit of only object to me. You are objecting only people think you object me. Your issue is not fair at all but a lie. Stop lying. People search labours isn't meaning of people search labour party. They are quite different.

(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/CxTOWy.png)

If you still can not get the difference of labour, liberal, labour party and liberal party so you have to see a doctor.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 11, 2019, 05:43:56 AM
I realize wise is a fun target for you guys, but pls knock it off.

It's really hard when he fails to understand statistics and presents data from a source in a manner that is contrary to what the source states the data means.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 02:36:53 PM
It is not because I didn't like it because it is a wrong example.
Why is it a wrong example though?
They are search terms people will use to find out about these groups.

It shows just how problematic your method is.
It is highly dependent upon exactly what terms you use.

But enough about trends as you weren't using them.
The same thing applies to using search results.
For example, searching for Jesus gives me 1.38 billion results.
Jesus Christ only gives 529 million results.
Christ gives 606 million.
The Messiah gives 51.1 million.
Son of God gives 1.08 billion.
God gives 3.15 billion.
Yeshua (Jesus' alleged actual name) gives 9.64 million.
Yahweh gives 11.9 million.
Jehovah gives 42.6 million.
Christian gives 4.27 billion.
Christianity gives 245 million.
Saviour gives 42 million.
Lord gives 1.36 billion (with lots of actual lords and lord of the rings stuff).
Lord and saviour gives 24.3 million.
Jesus Christ Lord and Saviour gives 19.8 million.

Just which of these terms should be used to see if someone is a Christian? To see if they believe in Jesus Christ as their lord and Savour?

And don't worry, this issue applies for loads of terms.
Flat Earth gives 524 million results.
Earth is flat gives 890 million.
Is Earth flat gives 349 million results with an answer "No, the Earth is roughly a sphere."
Planar Earth gives 25.1 million.
Earth is not a globe gives 238 million.

Again, it is going to be highly dependent upon which term you use.
And there is still no justification for why any of it should equate to number of believers.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Plat Terra on July 11, 2019, 02:42:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bhvqZ9a.jpg)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 02:49:39 PM
It is not because I didn't like it because it is a wrong example.
Why is it a wrong example though?
They are search terms people will use to find out about these groups.
<blabbing>
Because statistics work like this. Your denying the science is your own problem. Grow up and face the science!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
Because statistics work like this. Your denying the science is your own problem. Grow up and face the science!
I have clearly shown that statistics do not work like this, that it is highly dependent upon exactly what word or phrase you choose.
Dismissing that as blabbing just shows that you have absolutely no regard for the truth and are happy to lie to everyone.

Provide the evidence that your methodology works.
Note: that requires you to actually find out how many people believe in various things and show that the number of results correlates to that and that the
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 09:48:57 PM
Because statistics work like this. Your denying the science is your own problem. Grow up and face the science!
I have clearly shown that statistics do not work like this, that it is highly dependent upon exactly what word or phrase you choose.

Nope. You have just childishly objected even after everybody saw that my method perfectly works and completely scientific. On the one hand, you claim you represent something related science, on the other hand you are completely denying the science. If there would be a really a science, it would shame on you. Because, in the name of denying everything about me, you are clearly denying all the science. If I would claim your father's being your father you would even deny it because I said.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 12, 2019, 12:29:10 AM
You have just childishly objected even after everybody saw that my method perfectly works and completely scientific.
No, I rationally objected by showing it doesn't work.
Then further emphasised the problem with it.

Your methodology is highly sensitive to just what search term is used.
Using different terms can yield completely different results.
A rigorous scientific process would not have that issue.

Accepting this massive issue with your methodology is not me rejecting science.
Rejecting/ignoring this massive issue would be rejecting science.

You are yet to show your method works at all.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:40:30 AM
No, I rationally objected by showing it doesn't work.
Then further emphasised the problem with it.

Nope. You've objected only for being accepted as you have objected. I think this is how your program works: "Whatever wise says, object it". Because I have proved your arguments being null but you are continueing to do it. There is nothing accepting your mistake in your program.

Your methodology is highly sensitive to just what search term is used.
Using different terms can yield completely different results.
A rigorous scientific process would not have that issue.

Wouldn't it be better to explain the methods that will be applied to make the method better instead of saying that this method is wrong, rather than the aggressive attack you've ever done? you say that now. because you understand that irreconcilable attacks have no effect. It's a little late, but, anyway.

Accepting this massive issue with your methodology is not me rejecting science.
Rejecting/ignoring this massive issue would be rejecting science.

what you have said so far was about to reject this method altogether. now you soften it a little but you continue your insistent fights. what a shame. you really need a doctor.

You are yet to show your method works at all.

I've gave examples about how it works. But you are as blind as can't escape your globularist cave.

google search results are directly related to election results. I have given many examples like this. but you ignore them because they do not obey the order you got: "object to everything about wise." otherwise you should have apologized. but apology requires humanity. How much humanity can be expected from a mobile phone? I wish you would be thrown away after crashed.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 12, 2019, 02:05:02 AM
Nope. You've objected only for being accepted as you have objected.
No, I objected because I care about the truth, something you clearly don't.
If you did you wouldn't be using a method that indicates more people than exit believe in water.

If you go and read through all the messages I have made in the past you will notice I have agreed with some of the things you have said.

Wouldn't it be better to explain the methods that will be applied to make the method better instead of saying that this method is wrong, rather than the aggressive attack you've ever done?
That would be the case, if your method was redeemable.
If instead flawed method you were just using a random number generator to decide how many believers there were, how you would suggest fixing it to make it work?

I can suggest replacements, such as actually surveying people to find out what they believe, but your method is so fundamentally flawed it is extremely difficult to redeem.
The best thing to do with an irredeemable methodology is to expose it as fundamentally flawed and try to convince people to stop using it.

Search results and trends only have a very loose connection to what people believe.
There are spikes in search trends due to various activities.
If someone famous says Earth is flat or even discusses a flat Earth, that can cause a spike in search trends.
The reporting of it and people discussing it can cause a spike in search results.
But that doesn't mean more people believe.

I've gave examples about how it works.
google search results are directly related to election results.
You gave examples of search trends which have basically nothing to do with the topic as you were using search results. You do understand they are different right?
It was a little distraction so you could pretend it works.
I then provided examples showing even that is highly dependent upon exactly what terms you use.

Even if it wasn't dependent upon terms, you would need to show a multitude of examples, from a wide variety of areas.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Crutchwater on July 12, 2019, 03:26:51 AM
Again, you can not directly correlate typing a phrase into a search bar with actual belief in a subject.

I myself searched flat Earth incredulously!

Also, wise... Your English is exceptional this morning! Did you find a better translator? ;D
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on July 12, 2019, 12:15:12 PM
No, I objected because I care about the truth, something you clearly don't.
No, you objected because it does not fit with your belief. When you object you clearly know you lie.
If you did you wouldn't be using a method that indicates more people than exit believe in water.
Again, you can't compare water with any belief. Because water literally isn't a belief. You are doing it just for manipulation. As an angry glober you have no chance but need to manipulate like everytime you do.
If you go and read through all the messages I have made in the past you will notice I have agreed with some of the things you have said.
During you mistakenly think I support something I do not have to support. When you get it does not support your imaginary heros then you immediately turn to opposite corner.
That would be the case, if your method was redeemable.
My method is redeemable, but you are not enough adult to admit it.
If instead flawed method you were just using a random number generator to decide how many believers there were, how you would suggest fixing it to make it work?
They are quite different things. google statistics are used as a scientific statistics method like I do, and it works since years for many different comparings. Your denying the facts can't change the truth. Your accusations are disgrace of the scientific thoughts.
I can suggest replacements, such as actually surveying people to find out what they believe, but your method is so fundamentally flawed it is extremely difficult to redeem.
Inother say, you don't interest suggest anything and like to attacking like everytime you do. Because there isn't anything in your book as good faith. Your only motivation is destroying or attacking. This is what make you stay alive, ie hate. You have nothing but only hate as emotion.
The best thing to do with an irredeemable methodology is to expose it as fundamentally flawed and try to convince people to stop using it.
a malicious advice would also be bad. this is one of the worst and hateful suggestions ever made. You are doing it because I use it.
Search results and trends only have a very loose connection to what people believe.
It directly relevant. Your denying the fact does not magically makes a fact to the mistake. You are only deceiving yourself.
blabbing
answering your baseless and childish claims is nothing but a waste of time. I'm sure the readers understand how pathetic angry globulards are.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on July 12, 2019, 05:14:24 PM
Again, you can't compare water with any belief. Because water literally isn't a belief.
I am comparing belief in water with belief in Jesus, just like you want to compare belief in Jesus, with belief in FE and belief in NASA.
FE and NASA are not beliefs.
FE is a baseless, refuted claim about the shape of Earth.
If earth was flat, then FE would be a real physical thing, just like water, not a belief.
The only way for you to claim that comparing FE is fine but comparing water is not is if you admit FE is a pile of garbage with no connection to reality.
It also requires you to claim that Jesus is an entirely fictional character.

They are quite different things. google statistics are used as a scientific statistics method like I do
Your method is not scientific at all.
Your method is taking data about one thing (i.e. search results) and pretending they are data about something completely different (i.e. an indication of the number of people who believe in it).
There is nothing scientific about it.
You may as well just be generating random numbers, using some stats on that and pretending that somehow equates to belief.

Misapplication of statistics isn't scientific. It is garbage.

If you want to show that it is a proper scientific approach, you need to look at a wide variety of different topics and show that search results equates to number of believers.
But you didn't.
You just pretended it does and then went with Jesus as your baseline.

You didn't even bothering comparing the three religions.
Jesus - 1.74 B
Mr squiggles, the man from the moon - 923 M
Hindu (why the sudden change? Why not Vishnu or Shiva?, but you chose this, so oh well) - 262 M

Now the number of "believers" (Note, these numbers may be inaccurate, especially due to some countries declaring all their people to belong to a religion even if they do not believe at all, and having the death penalty if they object)
Christianity - 2.04 B
Islam - 1.8 B
Hinduism - 1.2 B

Now lets see what the ratios are, i.e. number of believers per search result:
Christianity - 1.17
Islam - 1.95
Hinduism - 4.58

I think I know why you chose Hindu, Vishnu and Shiva produce far fewer results.

But what does this show?
Even across this range of religious beliefs, your method doesn't work.
So why assume it should work with other topics as well?

And before you decide to say that you picked Jesus because it is the lowest, that is only true of the ones you selected. There could be plenty of others with even worse results.
For example, Mormonism with Joseph Smith.
Joseph Smith produces 635 million results, but there are only 14.8 million Mormons.
That is a ratio of 0.023.
Applying that much lower ratio to your FEers gives a mere 12.3 million.

It would also mean you can't say if FE or NASA has more, as they could have different ratios.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 22, 2019, 03:35:57 AM
Update October 22, 2019

Flat Earth: 301m
NASA: 637m
Jesus: 1.650m

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.650.000.000
Search to flat earth: 301.000.000
Search to nasa: 637.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 301.000.000 / 1.650.000.000 = 401.333.333

Number of NASA believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 637.000.000 / 1.650.000.000 = 849.333.333

Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 22, 2019, 04:00:01 AM
We'll use same method that we always use.
Then you will get pure nonsense, just like you always do.

Using the same method you still get between 2x and 3x the population of Earth believing in water.

As such all you are doing is combining a bunch of numbers to get a completely meaningless result.

You are yet to substantiate your claim that this method works.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on October 22, 2019, 04:28:55 AM
Using google search as a measure to see how many people believe in certain things is silly.
But lets play that game.
If your method of calculating Flat Earth Believers is a good measure then according to google trends

There are more than 2.5 times more people who believe Hogwarts than the Flat Earth
12 times more people believe in unicorns
and 23 times more people believe in Star Wars than the Flat Earth

Never mind NASA, The Flat Earth is being crushed by the force.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on October 22, 2019, 04:55:31 AM
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

And you might not know, but when the two Societies were in talks of joining Forces®, one of the pain points was username wise. If I remember correctly the other Society did not want him on board, but as this Society considers him a stalwart defender of FE, he is still here.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 22, 2019, 05:11:51 AM
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

And you might not know, but when the two Societies were in talks of joining Forces®, one of the pain points was username wise. If I remember correctly the other Society did not want him on board, but as this Society considers him a stalwart defender of FE, he is still here.

Horses don't die just because dogs want it.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on October 22, 2019, 05:32:21 AM
Exactly! You keep on rocking, man!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on October 22, 2019, 05:43:34 AM
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

And you might not know, but when the two Societies were in talks of joining Forces®, one of the pain points was username wise. If I remember correctly the other Society did not want him on board, but as this Society considers him a stalwart defender of FE, he is still here.
It makes sense that they wanna keep him around. There are very few vocal flat earth proponents around that still have something to say. Also, makes sense why the other site does not want him, have you seen what he says?!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 22, 2019, 06:30:35 AM
Sure sure. It is a part of conspiracy only Americans play and get.

ISIS which has been created by Americans to kill people where I live around; which has threatened me, killed five of my friends, precisely is enemy of me and vicinity of me, but can harm parsifal in a way because I want it. Ahaha. What a kiddy delusion. What can I do to correct it other than wait them to grow up?

It was Junker's behave, Junker has corrected it after about a year, we have corrected something, I think. But I can't change parsifal. We really has not a real relationship with Parsifal enough to correct something among us.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on October 22, 2019, 06:31:17 AM
It makes sense that they wanna keep him around. There are very few vocal flat earth proponents around that still have something to say. Also, makes sense why the other site does not want him, have you seen what he says?!
I am fully aware of the awesomeness that is wise!

I have been here a while, and have had the honour of witnessing his previous avatar, too. Brotherhood of the dome never forget! And fuck the Gülenists! Wise has taught me well!

Of the FE here Danang and wise are cool in their weird way.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on October 22, 2019, 06:38:12 AM
What are you two fking doing? If you want to continue ignore my responses and talk yourselves each other only so why do not you use PM instead?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on October 22, 2019, 01:24:44 PM
ISIS which has been created by Americans to kill people where I live around
No, ISIS was created by and for Muslims.
Yes, the US did have a part when they forced Saudi Barbaria to play nice, so a splinter group formed, then another and another.
But if they didn't then you would just have Saudi Barbaria instead of ISIS doing what ISIS is doing.

Don't blame the US, blame Islam, blame Mohammed, blame Allah.

Now, have you thought of a way to back up your method yet? Have you found a way to show that search results for some random term should relate linearly with number of believers and no other factors?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on June 29, 2020, 04:09:14 AM
Hello fellow my followers;

We are together with another scientific calculation of number of us. Many similar methods in internet prove that trend comparison is successful in questioning beliefs of this type. We will continue to use this proven scientific method.

We will make trend comparisons of the same names in order not to get away from being scientific.

Updata June, 2020

Flat Earth: 651m
NASA: 496m
Jesus: 1.780m

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200m
Search to jesus: 1.780m
Search to flat earth: 651m
Search to nasa: 496m

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200m x 651m / 1.780m = 804m

Number of NASA believers by using ratio:
2.200m x 496m / 1.780m = 613m

Summery

FE Knowers: 804m.
NASA Missbelievers: 613m.

While NASA pays hundreds of millions of dollars to its trolls in oz each month to prevent this community, which means little in the flat world community, a much larger movement spontaneously accelerates outside. Well done NASA!
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on June 29, 2020, 05:12:27 AM
Hello fellow my followers;
We are together with another scientific calculation of number of us. Many similar methods in internet prove that trend comparison is successful in questioning beliefs of this type. We will continue to use this proven scientific method.
You mean another completely unscientific calculation, no better than just pulling numbers from thin air.

Again, using the same broken method you always use:

Number of "Jesus believers" : 2.2 billion.
Search results for Jesus: 1.22 billion.
Search results for Water: 9.27 billion.
So number of water believers is:
(9.27*2.2/1.22) billion  = 16.7 billion, or over 2 times the population of Earth.

So just like always, your method is still completely broken and your numbers are pure nonsense.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on June 29, 2020, 06:13:48 AM
As far as I can see, there are no more replies other than than jabblack. I don't see his answer actually, however, considering his general genocidal character, my guess is that he perhaps suggested to make a genocide to the flat earthers and lower their numbers below the number of Nasa hoaxers.

However, God will not allow evil believers like him to do it. Because God is God, not rabblackinoz. You see, I and others are still here, despide zibilions of dollars money NASA spent to stop us.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on June 29, 2020, 06:14:20 AM
I don't see his answer actually, however, considering his general genocidal character, my guess is that he perhaps suggested to make a genocide to the flat earthers and lower their numbers below the number of Nasa hoaxers.
Funny. I can see it. There are no such suggestions there.

Is there something wrong with your browser, or connection?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: wise on June 29, 2020, 06:30:45 AM
I don't see his answer actually, however, considering his general genocidal character, my guess is that he perhaps suggested to make a genocide to the flat earthers and lower their numbers below the number of Nasa hoaxers.
Funny. I can see it. There are no such suggestions there.

Is there something wrong with your browser, or connection?
It is because he has been ignored after he has suggested all muslims have to be murdered. If you change the settings of your forum view, make it to see the signature so you can see it is ignored.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Macarios on June 29, 2020, 06:39:18 AM
USING THE SAME METHOD, how many believers there is in
- Santa Claus?
- Tooth Fairy?
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: JackBlack on June 29, 2020, 02:47:33 PM
As far as I can see, there are no more replies other than than jabblack. I don't see his answer actually, however, considering his general genocidal character, my guess is that he perhaps suggested to make a genocide to the flat earthers and lower their numbers below the number of Nasa hoaxers.

However, God will not allow evil believers like him to do it. Because God is God, not rabblackinoz. You see, I and others are still here, despide zibilions of dollars money NASA spent to stop us.
You really shouldn't be complaining about hate speech when you spout so much of it against REers.
But we all know why you really bring up all that crap, because you have no rational refutation to what I have said, so you need to look for whatever excuse you can to dismiss it.

The simple fact there is no basis at all to pretend the number of search results can be used, by itself, to determine the number of believers.
The simple fact that such a method produces more believers than the number of people on Earth for a simple thing like water, shows it cannot be used.
Instead many factors would contribute to how many search results there are.

It is because he has been ignored after he has suggested all muslims have to be murdered.
And there you go lying yet again.
Where did I say anything like that?
Yet again you blatantly vilify me because you cannot rationally defend your claims.

USING THE SAME METHOD, how many believers there is in
- Santa Claus?
- Tooth Fairy?
Good idea.

Santa: 2.2 billion search results, giving roughly 4.0 billion people believing in Santa.

Then just to further show how flawed his method is:
Santa Claus: 0.25 billion search results, giving roughly 0.45 billion people believing in Santa Claus.

So 4 billion people, over half the population of the world believe in Santa, but only 0.45 billion, less than one tenth of the population of the world believe in Santa Claus.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rabinoz on June 29, 2020, 04:39:42 PM
As far as I can see, there are no more replies other than than jabblack. I don't see his answer actually, however, considering his general genocidal character, my guess is that he perhaps suggested to make a genocide to the flat earthers and lower their numbers below the number of Nasa hoaxers.

However, God will not allow evil believers like him to do it. Because God is God, not rabblackinoz. You see, I and others are still here, despide zibilions of dollars money NASA spent to stop us.
Who on Earth is "jabblack"? There is nobody here of that name.

And who suggested "make a genocide to the flat earthers and lower their numbers"? Have you lost your mind?

Of course, there is no "rabblackinoz" here!
There is RABinOZ (me!) and JackBlack - two quite separate people who live in quite different places - get used to it!

Then you say stupid stuff like "You see, I and others are still here, despide zibilions of dollars money NASA spent to stop us".

NASA couldn't care less about YOU and would not even know you exist!

Have you totally lost your mind, Mr Wise?

Here, do you like this nice photo of the Earth and it had nothing to do with NASA!
(https://i.postimg.cc/xTQc5Wyb/20160727-Russian-Satellite-Photo-around-midday-December-2015.jpg)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on June 29, 2020, 10:53:31 PM
Hello fellow my followers;

We are together with another scientific calculation of number of us. Many similar methods in internet prove that trend comparison is successful in questioning beliefs of this type. We will continue to use this proven scientific method.

We will make trend comparisons of the same names in order not to get away from being scientific.

Updata June, 2020

Flat Earth: 651m
NASA: 496m
Jesus: 1.780m

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200m
Search to jesus: 1.780m
Search to flat earth: 651m
Search to nasa: 496m

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200m x 651m / 1.780m = 804m

Number of NASA believers by using ratio:
2.200m x 496m / 1.780m = 613m

Summery

FE Knowers: 804m.
NASA Missbelievers: 613m.

While NASA pays hundreds of millions of dollars to its trolls in oz each month to prevent this community, which means little in the flat world community, a much larger movement spontaneously accelerates outside. Well done NASA!

Google Trends is probably a more accurate representation of interest. There’s no way to tease out ‘believers’ with any available metric on the fly.

Past 12 Months
Blue = ‘Flat earth’ search term
Red = ‘NASA’ search term

(https://i.imgur.com/cdGHDpD.png)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 29, 2020, 11:10:23 PM
Stats on Anal Lube . . .

(https://i.imgur.com/YMF4j4Q.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Themightykabool on June 29, 2020, 11:17:38 PM
Hello fellow my followers;

We are together with another scientific calculation of number of us. Many similar methods in internet prove that trend comparison is successful in questioning beliefs of this type. We will continue to use this proven scientific method.

We will make trend comparisons of the same names in order not to get away from being scientific.

Updata June, 2020

Flat Earth: 651m
NASA: 496m
Jesus: 1.780m

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200m
Search to jesus: 1.780m
Search to flat earth: 651m
Search to nasa: 496m

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200m x 651m / 1.780m = 804m

Number of NASA believers by using ratio:
2.200m x 496m / 1.780m = 613m

Summery

FE Knowers: 804m.
NASA Missbelievers: 613m.

While NASA pays hundreds of millions of dollars to its trolls in oz each month to prevent this community, which means little in the flat world community, a much larger movement spontaneously accelerates outside. Well done NASA!

Google Trends is probably a more accurate representation of interest. There’s no way to tease out ‘believers’ with any available metric on the fly.

Past 12 Months
Blue = ‘Flat earth’ search term
Red = ‘NASA’ search term

(https://i.imgur.com/cdGHDpD.png)

Maybe wise isnt aware of Lackless's experience with what happened to online registered attendees to Trumps Tulsa as any indicator of "true believers"
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on June 29, 2020, 11:26:51 PM
Stats on Anal Lube . . .

(https://i.imgur.com/YMF4j4Q.jpg?1)

Wow, anal lube is bigger than flat earth, NASA, and Jesus combined. Maybe a forum dedicated to these ‘believers’ is needed.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on June 29, 2020, 11:34:43 PM
Well, the numbers don't lie.

Wise might need to switch his attention to a different thing.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Stash on June 29, 2020, 11:44:00 PM
Well, the numbers don't lie.

Wise might need to switch his attention to a different thing.

At a minimum he should be including anal lube believers in his calculations.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on June 29, 2020, 11:57:25 PM
I am believer in lubes. Not sure that makes me religious, but I have faith.
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 30, 2020, 12:11:02 AM
West Virginia

Blue Ridge Mountains

Shenandoah River

SQUEEEEEEEL like a Pig
Title: Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
Post by: rvlvr on June 30, 2020, 12:21:45 AM
Man, that is a good film.

I wonder if the mountain men were FE? Pretty sure they do not trust NASA. Or the federal government.