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Title: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on March 31, 2017, 05:24:12 PM
Are they joking or is it the truth?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: MaxPen on March 31, 2017, 06:11:39 PM
Are you paid to post the garbage you do? It's the only rational explanation I can think of to explain the constant barrage of deluded bullshit.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on March 31, 2017, 06:28:06 PM
Garbage? Please share how what I post is garbage. Just because I am mean and raunchy doesnt make what I am saying any less true.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on March 31, 2017, 07:02:19 PM
Garbage? Please share how what I post is garbage. Just because I am mean and raunchy doesnt make what I am saying any less true.
And it doesn't make it any less garbage from a warped mind either!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on March 31, 2017, 07:07:10 PM
Are they joking or is it the truth?

You should be able to find your answer in this thread:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69685.0#.WN8LGVuAASJ
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on March 31, 2017, 07:08:51 PM
Are they joking or is it the truth?
If you really need to ask that question you are far more irrational than I thought possible!

But then
Quote from: Shakespeare
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

So maybe "you are far more irrational than I thought possible!"
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on March 31, 2017, 07:17:49 PM
I dont get it. If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on March 31, 2017, 08:46:29 PM
I dont get it.
Yes, that's painfully obvious.


If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
You're silly.  If you don't believe any of the stuff that we tell you about the earth being round and space flight being real, then why would you believe it when someone says that they're being paid to post here?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Twerp on March 31, 2017, 09:20:40 PM
If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
You're silly.  If you don't believe any of the stuff that we tell you about the earth being round and space flight being real, then why would you believe it when someone says that they're being paid to post here?
Zing!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Gumby on April 01, 2017, 10:23:29 AM
I get paid. Not much but it pays the heating bill.
They tried bots but got spotted.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Crouton on April 01, 2017, 01:15:51 PM
Well you have to be more specific. Do you mean the nasa shills or the cia shills?

I'm paid to post here by Carl's Jr.

Don't forget to try the delicious western bacon cheeseburger! Only at Carl's Jr!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 01, 2017, 01:27:13 PM

If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
You're silly.  If you don't believe any of the stuff that we tell you about the earth being round and space flight being real, then why would you believe it when someone says that they're being paid to post here?

Ok, but dont you WANT me to believe in space travel and the like? Thats why youre here right? Youre on some kind of righteous crusade to stamp out ignorance? But then you just decide to fuck around with people and tell them youre paid to be here? Do you WANT them to believe that too? Doesnt make sense...
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 01, 2017, 01:28:35 PM

I'm paid to post here by Carl's Jr.

Don't forget to try the delicious western bacon cheeseburger! Only at Carl's Jr!



Can you hook me up with one of those talented spokes-models?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 01, 2017, 01:33:28 PM

If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
You're silly.  If you don't believe any of the stuff that we tell you about the earth being round and space flight being real, then why would you believe it when someone says that they're being paid to post here?

Ok, but dont you WANT me to believe in space travel and the like? Thats why youre here right? Youre on some kind of righteous crusade to stamp out ignorance? But then you just decide to fuck around with people and tell them youre paid to be here? Do you WANT them to believe that too? Doesnt make sense...

The bit you need to get your head around is that being paid to post doesn't make what gets posted wrong.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: IonSpen on April 01, 2017, 02:29:44 PM
Using your reasoning, one might assume YOU are paid to be here, by the Nazis and the freemasons since you're always bringing them up.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on April 01, 2017, 02:35:11 PM

If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
You're silly.  If you don't believe any of the stuff that we tell you about the earth being round and space flight being real, then why would you believe it when someone says that they're being paid to post here?

Ok, but dont you WANT me to believe in space travel and the like? Thats why youre here right? Youre on some kind of righteous crusade to stamp out ignorance? But then you just decide to fuck around with people and tell them youre paid to be here? Do you WANT them to believe that too? Doesnt make sense...
Most people would say that arguing that the earth is flat and that space travel is all faked doesn't make sense either.   
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: hoppy on April 01, 2017, 04:03:48 PM

If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
You're silly.  If you don't believe any of the stuff that we tell you about the earth being round and space flight being real, then why would you believe it when someone says that they're being paid to post here?

Ok, but dont you WANT me to believe in space travel and the like? Thats why youre here right? Youre on some kind of righteous crusade to stamp out ignorance? But then you just decide to fuck around with people and tell them youre paid to be here? Do you WANT them to believe that too? Doesnt make sense...

The bit you need to get your head around is that being paid to post doesn't make what gets posted wrong.
This is exactly what a shill would say.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on April 01, 2017, 04:36:54 PM

If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
You're silly.  If you don't believe any of the stuff that we tell you about the earth being round and space flight being real, then why would you believe it when someone says that they're being paid to post here?

Ok, but dont you WANT me to believe in space travel and the like? Thats why youre here right? Youre on some kind of righteous crusade to stamp out ignorance? But then you just decide to fuck around with people and tell them youre paid to be here? Do you WANT them to believe that too? Doesnt make sense...

The bit you need to get your head around is that being paid to post doesn't make what gets posted wrong.
This is exactly what a shill would say.
Hmm..  It seems that it takes a shill to know a shill.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: kennykirklan on April 01, 2017, 04:50:31 PM
Can you get paid for banging on about perspective, 1000mph earth, no gravity, and associated claptrap? I could knock up some stupid memes to lure in the anti-authority "free thinkers". How do you sign up?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 01, 2017, 11:22:05 PM

If you dont want me to believe something, dont say it.
You're silly.  If you don't believe any of the stuff that we tell you about the earth being round and space flight being real, then why would you believe it when someone says that they're being paid to post here?

Ok, but dont you WANT me to believe in space travel and the like? Thats why youre here right? Youre on some kind of righteous crusade to stamp out ignorance? But then you just decide to fuck around with people and tell them youre paid to be here? Do you WANT them to believe that too? Doesnt make sense...

The bit you need to get your head around is that being paid to post doesn't make what gets posted wrong.
This is exactly what a shill would say.

And how come you know so much about what a shill would say - are you one of those people they hire to make flat earthers look retarded? It's working, btw.

Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 04, 2017, 05:28:04 PM
And how come you know so much about what a shill would say - are you one of those people they hire to make flat earthers look retarded? It's working, btw.

First off let me bat away the first accusation that I'm sure will come my way: I am not a 'shill'. Shill is an easy cop-out for people having trouble dealing with logical argument and discussion. It addresses the person, not the argument. It wouldn't matter if NASA were paying me a fortune to post this (I wish), what matters is whether the information is factually correct or not.

I rest my case.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: IonSpen on April 04, 2017, 05:30:12 PM
You have no case.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 04, 2017, 09:20:24 PM
And how come you know so much about what a shill would say - are you one of those people they hire to make flat earthers look retarded? It's working, btw.

First off let me bat away the first accusation that I'm sure will come my way: I am not a 'shill'. Shill is an easy cop-out for people having trouble dealing with logical argument and discussion. It addresses the person, not the argument. It wouldn't matter if NASA were paying me a fortune to post this (I wish), what matters is whether the information is factually correct or not.

I rest my case.

And where does it say there that I am being paid to post? I would also rest my case if it was that piss poor.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 04, 2017, 09:44:34 PM
Here, let me help you with a quote from my popular website in the discussion part of my analysis of Apollo images of Earth and satellite meteorology:

http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/CATM/ch5/discusq1.html

Quote
Listen very carefully, I will say this only once: I have no affiliation with NASA, or any of its subsidiaries or affiliates. I have never had any affiliation with NASA or any of its subsidiaries or affiliates. I am not even American. I have never been approached by anyone, ever, to post or write on their behalf. I have not been paid, ever, by anyone to post or write on their behalf. I have never been supplied with information to post by a third party unless I have asked for it as part of this research. I have not been paid, ever, to post on the internet, unless you count the time I updated Facebook at work when I should have been doing something else.

I have contacted various branches of NASA during this research, some of which has been useful, but for the most part they have either ignored my requests for information or were unable to help.

Occasionally information has been supplied and I have used it, but I have never taken instruction on how to use it. Any accusation that I am simply a mouthpiece for NASA is a lie, and besides that, anyone who dismisses cast iron evidence purely on the basis that it is from NASA is an idiot. The research either works or it doesn't. The source of the information is irrelevant.

As true today as it's always been. If you think the above is a lie, you're wrong. If you don't believe that, go ahead and prove it. You can have the keys to my house and all £12.53 of my life savings if you can demonstrate that I'm lying.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Twerp on April 04, 2017, 11:01:53 PM
I rest my case.

Smartest thing I've seen you post. I would too if I was in your position.

Cheers mate!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 06, 2017, 01:09:19 PM
But ARHB acts like a grumpy old man of about 65, yet claims he is only 15 and he's such and obnoxious so-and-so.

But, I have changed my mind. You don't even have the maturity of some of my grandsons around aged around 15.
You lack the maturity to even investigate what you don't understand. What is your real age? Under or over 10?

Look at this fool!

He doesnt know whether hes coming or going!

Am I 10 or 100!? He says I act like both!

All that matters is that he defaces my name.

All that he cares about is persuading people to ignore anyone who voices their opinion about the truth of flat Earth.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on April 06, 2017, 01:11:26 PM
Am I 10 or 100!? He says I act like both!
Maybe he thinks that you have a 10 year old brain and a 100 year old attitude.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: IonSpen on April 06, 2017, 05:34:05 PM
But ARHB acts like a grumpy old man of about 65, yet claims he is only 15 and he's such and obnoxious so-and-so.

But, I have changed my mind. You don't even have the maturity of some of my grandsons around aged around 15.
You lack the maturity to even investigate what you don't understand. What is your real age? Under or over 10?

Look at this fool!

He doesnt know whether hes coming or going!

Am I 10 or 100!? He says I act like both!

All that matters is that he defaces my name.

All that he cares about is persuading people to ignore anyone who voices their opinion about the truth of flat Earth.
And you don't do the same? Ha!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 07, 2017, 04:30:58 AM
But ARHB acts like a grumpy old man of about 65, yet claims he is only 15 and he's such and obnoxious so-and-so.

But, I have changed my mind. You don't even have the maturity of some of my grandsons around aged around 15.
You lack the maturity to even investigate what you don't understand. What is your real age? Under or over 10?

Look at this fool!

He doesnt know whether hes coming or going!

Am I 10 or 100!? He says I act like both!

All that matters is that he defaces my name.

All that he cares about is persuading people to ignore anyone who voices their opinion about the truth of flat Earth.
I said, "a grumpy old man of about 65, yet claims he is only 15".
Then I said "You don't even have the maturity of some of my grandsons around aged around 15." Any objections?

But there is a big difference between us.

I present evidence for what I believe, while you just claim "the truth of flat Earth" or "THE EARTH is FLAT" without any evidence.
I dont have any evidence of the Earth being flat? No?

Go launch a weather balloon up to 40,000 ft and tell me what you record.
You won't prove anything from 40,000 ft unless you have reasonably accurate instruments to measure depression angles.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 07, 2017, 11:54:17 PM
But there is a big difference between us.

I agree with that. You are a liar, and I am not.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: sceptimatic on April 08, 2017, 12:44:00 AM
But ARHB acts like a grumpy old man of about 65, yet claims he is only 15 and he's such and obnoxious so-and-so.

But, I have changed my mind. You don't even have the maturity of some of my grandsons around aged around 15.
You lack the maturity to even investigate what you don't understand. What is your real age? Under or over 10?

Look at this fool!

He doesnt know whether hes coming or going!

Am I 10 or 100!? He says I act like both!

All that matters is that he defaces my name.

All that he cares about is persuading people to ignore anyone who voices their opinion about the truth of flat Earth.
It's pretty clear what Rab is.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 08, 2017, 02:02:32 AM
It's pretty clear what Rab is.
Yes, someone who honestly believes the earth is really a rotating globe and has plenty of evidence
that, in his opinion and that of many others, is quite enough to prove that as fact.
While Arealhumanbeing and quite a few others, who might prefer to remain nameless, seem to have nothing!
Any objections, sceptimatic.

It is so telling that when you run out of evidence you always attack you opponents credibility, just proves that you know you've lost it.
You claim we are all brainwashed etc, etc, ad nauseum
When are you going to face up to these simple facts,
we can think for ourselves too, we have not been brainwashed by NASA or anyone else and are not in the employ of NASA or anyone else!

In fact I believed that the earth was a Globe before NASA showed up!
And belief in the Globe dates from about 2300 years ago and in the heliocentric Globe up to 400 years ago.

You "neo Flatists" are the new-kids-on-the-block, so you'd better prove your case a lot better than you have.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 08, 2017, 02:06:28 AM
Quote
flatus
fleɪtəs
noun technical
gas in or from the stomach or intestines, produced by swallowing air or by bacterial fermentation.

Flatist...
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: IonSpen on April 08, 2017, 01:56:38 PM
But there is a big difference between us.

I agree with that. You are a liar, and I am not.
You just explain your lies, correct?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 08, 2017, 08:34:58 PM
Are they joking or is it the truth?

It's about time your question
Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
was categorically answered!

Are you so naive and paranoid to believe that anyone posting here is paid!

Anyone joking about that is simply taking you, who claim to be a Arealhumanbeing, for a big ride.

Real human beings usually have some sense of humour. Some,  :D :D like myself  :D :D get accused of having little.

But, Arealhumanbeing, you are one of the few who could never, ever
:o be accused of having the slightest semblance of a sense of humour!  :o
You are quite innocent of that  :P fault  :P.

That could be a reason for your name being mashed up at time to "aPretendHumanBeing", you don't seem "real".

Mind you my name gets mashed up much worse than that! I'll refer to some posts as I, unlike you, prefer no to use those words.
Why is the size of the Antarctica growing day by day? « Reply #8 on: February 28, 2017, 11:33:04 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69516.msg1875741#msg1875741)
Re: 1 reason that should convince any round earther the earth is flat « Reply #8 on: April 06, 2017, 06:13:06 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70085.msg1892789#msg1892789)

Now İntikam get's away with this because we all know he's an apostate (haram) Muslim and headed for a very hot place,
but I hope that you have better aspirations than that.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 11, 2017, 12:29:51 PM
While Arealhumanbeing and quite a few others, who might prefer to remain nameless, seem to have nothing!
Any objections, sceptimatic.

Y'know, youre really helping the flat Earthers when you constantly claim they have nothing thread after thread on their own website...
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 11, 2017, 07:47:32 PM
While Arealhumanbeing and quite a few others, who might prefer to remain nameless, seem to have nothing!
Any objections, sceptimatic.

Y'know, youre really helping the flat Earthers when you constantly claim they have nothing thread after thread on their own website...
If you really had something, you would tell us, but you don't!

And in all those other threads we have Flat Earthers posting quite unrealistic claims and getting them thrashed.

So what are your reasons for insisting that "THE EARTH is FLAT", simply saying "Because it is" is a nothing statement!

I have given you many reasons why I believe that the earth is a rotating Globe, but you are strangely quite on your reasons.

And if you care to look, all most Flat Earthers try to do is to disprove some point about the Globe, but few will give any details of the Flat Earth that they purport to support.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 12, 2017, 05:45:21 AM
I get paid by Big Oil and Hillary Clinton to pretend the world is round.   Why, you ask?  Well, nobody knows, even Big Oil and Killary.   Apparently there used to be a reason, but it's long forgotten.

Still, the income is marginally better than producing idiotic videos on youtube, so I stick with it.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Cartog on April 13, 2017, 06:55:29 PM
Nobody's paying me to post here and if someone doesn't ante up soon I will stop altogether.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on April 13, 2017, 07:48:27 PM
Nobody's paying me to post here and if someone doesn't ante up soon I will stop altogether.
Promise?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Novarus on April 16, 2017, 12:17:51 PM
Hang on. HANG ON HOLD UP.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/1/1b/Hold-Da-Fuck-Up.gif/revision/latest?cb=20131204231613)

Where the hell do I sign up to get paid for this?!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 16, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
I get paid by Big Oil and Hillary Clinton to pretend the world is round.   Why, you ask?  Well, nobody knows, even Big Oil and Killary.   Apparently there used to be a reason, but it's long forgotten.

Still, the income is marginally better than producing idiotic videos on youtube, so I stick with it.

I laughed.

Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 16, 2017, 09:49:12 PM
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 17, 2017, 10:08:49 AM
Distraction distraction distraction, posts the shills....
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Gumby on April 17, 2017, 01:43:11 PM
All that money being paid and someone forgot to pay the hosting fee...
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 17, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
All that money being paid and someone forgot to pay the hosting fee...

(http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 17, 2017, 02:25:25 PM
Distraction distraction distraction, posts the shills....
I thought that was the only reason that you started this silly thread
"Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?"
Of course nobody is being paid to post here!

I doubt NASA, all the other space agencies, governments and even the CIA are any more than slightly aware os this site's existence!
Probably the NSA in monitoring what is going on, like they do everything else, but I'm only guessing.

Clearly the reason "Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?" is simply to get a rise out of
;D ;D the 15-year-old kid who pretends to be Leader of the Second American Revolution! ;D ;D
And, boy, are they succeeding! Keep it up.

There are four or five FE posters here are who a source of great amusement. You probably come second - you need to try harder!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 17, 2017, 02:33:57 PM
You probably come second - you need to try harder!

That's what SHE said.   ;)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: frankman777 on April 18, 2017, 01:48:12 PM
Signed up to post a question way back... and all I got was BS off-the-cuff remarks from a person who had thousands of posts under his/ her belt. Then today I discover that The Flat Earth Society is the controlled opposition. They are set up to explain the flat earth with ridiculous arguments that nobody can possible believe. They make it a complete mockery and in so doing achieve their objectives. Came back just to post the following:

Illuminati grey ball sucking fucks.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 19, 2017, 02:23:41 AM
Signed up to post a question way back... and all I got was BS off-the-cuff remarks from a person who had thousands of posts under his/ her belt. Then today I discover that The Flat Earth Society is the controlled opposition. They are set up to explain the flat earth with ridiculous arguments that nobody can possible believe. They make it a complete mockery and in so doing achieve their objectives. Came back just to post the following:

Illuminati grey ball sucking fucks.

I'm sorry for your loss.

 :'(
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: hoppy on April 19, 2017, 02:53:45 AM
Signed up to post a question way back... and all I got was BS off-the-cuff remarks from a person who had thousands of posts under his/ her belt. Then today I discover that The Flat Earth Society is the controlled opposition. They are set up to explain the flat earth with ridiculous arguments that nobody can possible believe. They make it a complete mockery and in so doing achieve their objectives. Came back just to post the following:

Illuminati grey ball sucking fucks.
Typical butt hurt n00b. Shill much?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 19, 2017, 08:09:16 AM
I get paid by Big Oil

I never have and never will say something like that.

But shills do.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 19, 2017, 08:12:46 AM
At least you agree that shills do as well, which also implies that you recognize their existence here.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on April 19, 2017, 08:13:45 AM
I get paid by Big Oil

I never have and never will say something like that.

But shills do.
No, shills wouldn't say something like that. 

But smartasses would.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: mysticalcreature on April 19, 2017, 08:23:29 AM
Quote
flatus
fleɪtəs
noun technical
gas in or from the stomach or intestines, produced by swallowing air or by bacterial fermentation.

Flatist...

flarthers
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: hoppy on April 19, 2017, 08:48:08 AM
I get paid by Big Oil

I never have and never will say something like that.

But shills do.
No, shills wouldn't say something like that. 

But smartasses would.
This is exactly what a shill would say.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on April 19, 2017, 08:50:06 AM
I get paid by Big Oil

I never have and never will say something like that.

But shills do.
No, shills wouldn't say something like that. 

But smartasses would.
This is exactly what a shill would say.
It takes one to know one, right?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 19, 2017, 09:34:02 AM
Does it take a rapist to know when rape is happening?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Twerp on April 19, 2017, 03:43:03 PM
Does it take a rapist to know when rape is happening?

That's actually a fairly valid point. Rare coming from you.

Good job!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Crouton on April 19, 2017, 08:44:47 PM
Is this thread still going on? Look, no one is getting paid to post here. It's just ridiculous paranoia. The only thing I can think of that's more insane is the tremendous value of a delicious biscuits and gravy meal at your local Carl's Jr.

This message is brought to you by Carl's Jr.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: hoppy on April 20, 2017, 04:05:23 AM
Is this thread still going on? Look, no one is getting paid to post here. It's just ridiculous paranoia. The only thing I can think of that's more insane is the tremendous value of a delicious biscuits and gravy meal at your local Carl's Jr.

This message is brought to you by Carl's Jr.
This is exactly what a shill would say.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 20, 2017, 05:57:39 AM
Is this thread still going on? Look, no one is getting paid to post here. It's just ridiculous paranoia. The only thing I can think of that's more insane is the tremendous value of a delicious biscuits and gravy meal at your local Carl's Jr.

This message is brought to you by Carl's Jr.
This is exactly what a shill would say.
" ;D ;D So many people confess to being paid to post here  ;D ;D" just to get a rise out of the fully indoctrinated sheepies like you, Arealhumanbeing, InFlatEarth and a few others!

This site is such a trivial place and all you flat earthers are no more than a few flies to NASA and the numerous other space agencies.
They know that the earth is a Globe and the know that their satellites and spacecraft do just what we are told they do.

::) ::) A few buzzy flies have not the slightest effect on the millions the depend directly and indirectly on this technology!  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 22, 2017, 07:08:44 AM
Is this thread still going on? Look, no one is getting paid to post here. It's just ridiculous paranoia. The only thing I can think of that's more insane is the tremendous value of a delicious biscuits and gravy meal at your local Carl's Jr.

This message is brought to you by Carl's Jr.
This is exactly what a shill would say.
" ;D ;D So many people confess to being paid to post here  ;D ;D" just to get a rise out of the fully indoctrinated sheepies like you, Arealhumanbeing, InFlatEarth and a few others!

Indocrinated eh?

You think there are people spending time and money to force people to think that the Earth is flat?

Are you crazy or something?

Who do you think eould pay for such an agenda?

Fuck you rabinoz. You are the most obvious paid shill here.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 26, 2017, 03:49:35 PM
Wow your answer really makes me understand your point of view.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on April 26, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
Feeling superiour is a better payment than money for most.
I think this forum is a prosperous environment for those who seek the former.

Question is when is it time to leave a place like this ?
Have people set a certain goal ?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 26, 2017, 05:34:09 PM
" ;D ;D So many people confess to being paid to post here  ;D ;D" just to get a rise out of the fully indoctrinated sheepies like you, Arealhumanbeing, InFlatEarth and a few others!
Indocrinated eh?
Yes, why else would people believe in something with so little evidence for and so much evidence against.

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
You think there are people spending time and money to force people to think that the Earth is flat?
No where did I claim that, other than in a post today jokingly suggesting that YOU might be paid.
Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
Are you crazy or something?
Who do you think would pay for such an agenda?
Please show where I claimed that.

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
Fuck you rabinoz. You are the most obvious paid shill here.
I have never been paid a cent to post here or anywhere and you are a liar if you ever claim otherwise.
No "authority" even knows I post here - unless they are  ;D ;D spying on me ;D ;D!

I post here, not for the edification of people like you, but for the hundreds of lookers in.
There is a hope that some might be turned from a damaging doctrine that implies millions must be knowing deceiving the rest of the population.
I listed some of these in:Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Number of people that would know « Message by rabinoz on March 08, 2017, 08:42:00 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69630.msg1878938;topicseen#msg1878938)

But the very language you use proves that you are a hypocrite Arealhumanbeing is a Hypocrite « on: January 17, 2017, 10:45:55 AM ». (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69000.msg1859728#msg1859728)
I am not the only one who has commented on your vile language for a professed Christian!

Really Mr Arealhumanbeing, I don't care what you think of me - I don't matter!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 06:15:27 PM
I'm getting paid a rather decent hourly wage right now.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 26, 2017, 06:33:27 PM
I'm getting paid a rather decent hourly wage right now.
Specifically to post here?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 06:38:26 PM
I'm getting paid a rather decent hourly wage right now.
Specifically to post here?

Naw, you got me ;D.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: fliggs on April 26, 2017, 06:47:17 PM
It's a funny thread because it is far from original. I've heard this same nonsense from a heap of other posters on multiple other forums (fora) and they share one thing in common: they are poor debaters whose arguments are weak or nonsense. When they have had their arguments destroyed for the 100th time they revert to the 'paid poster' garbage, conveniently forgetting that even if it were true, (and it isnt) their arguments were still destroyed easily and repeatedly.

The exact same thing is true here.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 07:04:38 PM
Do you honestly believe in the entire internet, no one is paid to push a product, opinion or narrative, honestly?

Like, seriously?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: fliggs on April 26, 2017, 07:27:12 PM
Do you honestly believe in the entire internet, no one is paid to push a product, opinion or narrative, honestly?

Like, seriously?

Your hatred of me is deeply damaging to your own psyche, but is also deeply revealing of your own problems. Of course a handful have been paid, but they are exceedingly small and they dont post on dung-heaps like this place where if there is one thing Flatearthers have in common is that they are all poor so paid posters have nothing to sell.

Now see if you can vent your spleen another time?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 07:28:56 PM
I think there is at least one person monitoring this site, just my opinion.

I just hate gaslighting and online pseudopsychology.

That's all.

You just come here gaslight and larp about psychology. I'd tell anyone like that to gtfo.

Keep larping, fliggs.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: fliggs on April 26, 2017, 07:31:11 PM
I think there is at least one person monitoring this site, just my opinion.

I just hate gaslighting and online pseudopsychology.

That's all.

Dont think you are being so altruistic. You just dont like people who put you on the spot and challenge your own assessments.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 07:32:35 PM
You've never put me on the spot. You lack the prerequisites.

I agree this site draws little attention from shills, 4chan is a different story.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: fliggs on April 26, 2017, 07:36:03 PM
You've never put me on the spot. You lack the prerequisites.

I agree this site draws little attention from shills, 4chan is a different story.

And you didn't spot the motive of the OP?  He is clearly having his argument thrashed and torn to shreds and so he opts for the 'easy target' method of claiming that people here are paid by some mysterious group to support the round earth 'lie'.

You dont seem to be particularly insightful and instead, make up for it in vindictiveness. You use your own experience or history to colour your thinking far more than you should. And just in case you didnt know... it is very obvious.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 07:37:53 PM
L.A.R.P.

(https://s16.postimg.org/d9kuquyh1/latest.jpg)

Edit. ARHB is an idiot too but he's just a kid so I expect slightly less of him.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: fliggs on April 26, 2017, 07:48:07 PM
L.A.R.P.

(https://s16.postimg.org/d9kuquyh1/latest.jpg)

Edit. ARHB is an idiot too but he's just a kid so I expect slightly less of him.

Sounds like you are having a 'weepy day' on your period.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 26, 2017, 07:55:01 PM
Do you honestly believe in the entire internet, no one is paid to push a product, opinion or narrative, honestly?

Like, seriously?
The topic is "Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?"
Your question was "Do you honestly believe in the entire internet, no one is paid to push a product, opinion or narrative, honestly?"

That is quite a different question!

"Paid to push a product, opinion or narrative" yes!, paid to push the Globe on this site? I doubt that!

I think that the Globe has been accepted for millennia and the Heliocentric Globe for hundreds of years.

The nearest thing relevant to the OP might be some flat earthers paying to push their own ideas, and why not?

But who would want to pay someone else to push the idea of the Globe?

That is already unquestioned and undoubtedly "works" in so many ways that never get much mention here.
All the findings of astronomy, both the professional and the probably more numerous amateur astronomers, are consistent with the Globe earth.

Some might bring up questions of cosmology and hypothetical dark matter and energy, but that has nothing to do with the Heliocentric Globe - does not depend on either for any explanation.

The findings and measurements of astronomy simply do not work on a flat earth.
And I could list numerous other things that simply don't fit.

As far as the "rest of the world" is concerned "Flat Earthers" are regarded as simply odd-balls and given little thought.

So much comes up about as the reality of even space flight, yet "Over 70 countries currently own at least 1 payload out in space. Only 10 of them make their own rockets, the rest have bought rocket launches."
(From Quora, How many countries have a satellite of their own in space? (https://www.quora.com/How-many-countries-have-a-satellite-of-their-own-in-space))

No, the Globe is so justifiably "entrenched" in everyday life that I can't see anyone being paid to post in a place like this.
Some quite possibly spend their own money running fora and making videos debunking the Flat Earth, no problem with that and
some even  :P spend their "bosses money" posting here  :P and that's OK if the boss approves!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 26, 2017, 07:59:16 PM
L.A.R.P.
Edit. ARHB is an idiot too but he's just a kid so I expect slightly less of him.
Sounds like you are having a 'weepy day' on your period.
Nah! Poor old disputeone isn't happy unless he can find a dispute and if he can't he creates one!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: fliggs on April 26, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
L.A.R.P.
Edit. ARHB is an idiot too but he's just a kid so I expect slightly less of him.
Sounds like you are having a 'weepy day' on your period.
Nah! Poor old disputeone isn't happy unless he can find a dispute and if he can't he creates one!

I had noticed that!  There have been paid posters in the past, specifically Israeli posters to defend Jewish interests in various locales. More recently, the Russians have employed similar techniques but mostly thru the posting of fake news articles. But all of these paid posters did share a common style in that they were articulate and usually, intelligent.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 08:13:36 PM
Yes.

When I can no longer say "free Palestine" I believe we have crossed a line.

Don't mind Rab he will give wristies to anyone who believes the earth is a sphere in 2017. ::)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: fliggs on April 26, 2017, 08:54:31 PM
Yes.

When I can no longer say "free Palestine" I believe we have crossed a line.

Don't mind Rab he will give wristies to anyone who believes the earth is a sphere in 2017. ::)

Rab usually makes a lot of sense. You however, sound like a drunk homeless guy having a male period.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
Is that so?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: fliggs on April 26, 2017, 09:14:42 PM
Is that so?

and such an extraordinarily perceptive and evocative response.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 09:18:12 PM
Wasn't it.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 27, 2017, 02:59:41 AM

When I can no longer say "free Palestine" I believe we have crossed a line.

Who's going to stop you saying that? Unless you get "Trumped" or ARHB (or is it AFHB?) hears you!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 27, 2017, 03:07:26 AM
That's a fair comment Rab, sorry for having a go, you're a good bloke.

On topic, Rab isn't a shill, wake up dude.

He's clearly got a lot of time on his hands, enjoys debating and surely loves his globe earth, but he's not a shill, don't be naive.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 27, 2017, 07:10:01 AM
Rabinoz is indeed a shill. He is the most obvious shill as his profile pic is a globe...
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 27, 2017, 07:24:51 AM
Rabinoz is indeed a shill. He is the most obvious shill as his profile pic is a globe...
Looks pretty flat to me.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Badxtoss on April 27, 2017, 02:53:32 PM
Rabinoz is indeed a shill. He is the most obvious shill as his profile pic is a globe...
Define shill.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 27, 2017, 07:05:42 PM
Rabinoz is indeed a shill. He is the most obvious shill as his profile pic is a globe...
Incorrect!
Quote
Internet shill
An Internet shill is someone who promotes something or someone online for pay without divulging that they are associated with the entity they shill for.

I most certainly am not paid to post here, nor am I associated with any other entity!

And why shouldn't my "profile pic be a globe".
I honestly believe that the earth is a Globe and I believe that
So what is wrong with my using a picture of the Globe as my profile picture? That is being quite open and honest.
(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/avr/avatar_1251699_1451953758.png)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 27, 2017, 07:28:30 PM
Rabinoz is indeed a shill. He is the most obvious shill as his profile pic is a globe...
Incorrect!
Quote
Internet shill
An Internet shill is someone who promotes something or someone online for pay without divulging that they are associated with the entity they shill for.

I most certainly am not paid to post here, nor am I associated with any other entity!

You are here religously, like a work schedule. You format every post like a teacher formats a slideshow. You promote the mainstream agenda. You constantly lie. And you ignore when you have been proven wrong.

Rabinoz=SHILL.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: hoppy on April 27, 2017, 07:36:46 PM
Confirmed shillinoz.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: IonSpen on April 27, 2017, 09:13:28 PM
Rabinoz is indeed a shill. He is the most obvious shill as his profile pic is a globe...
Incorrect!
Quote
Internet shill
An Internet shill is someone who promotes something or someone online for pay without divulging that they are associated with the entity they shill for.

I most certainly am not paid to post here, nor am I associated with any other entity!

You are here religously, like a work schedule. You format every post like a teacher formats a slideshow. You promote the mainstream agenda. You constantly lie. And you ignore when you have been proven wrong.

Rabinoz=SHILL.
If you can quote where he has lied, I'd like to see it.
If you can quote where he was proven wrong, again, I'd like to see it.
If you can do neither of these, then it is YOU who has been proven wrong, and a liar.
I'll wait...
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 27, 2017, 09:20:04 PM

You are here religously, like a work schedule.

and yet here you are...
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: IonSpen on April 27, 2017, 09:26:02 PM

You are here religously, like a work schedule.

and yet here you are...
Exactly. How would he know? This dude's getting stupider by the day. Keeps contradicting himself. Probably hasn't been feeling well due to lack of sun gazing lately..
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Twerp on April 28, 2017, 12:00:32 AM
He's paid by the FES to keep us focused on his rants so we have less time to take on the more substantial FEers and their arguments.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 28, 2017, 05:47:36 AM

You are here religously, like a work schedule.

and yet here you are...
Exactly. How would he know? This dude's getting stupider by the day. Keeps contradicting himself. Probably hasn't been feeling well due to lack of sun gazing lately..
Give the 15-year-old retired 65-tear-old scientist still living with his mother a chance.
He won't confirm these things, so we can only go by the rumours that we hear on the local gossip line.

Having to be all those things at once he would have a little trouble working out if were Arthur or Martha, so to speak!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 28, 2017, 06:07:26 AM

Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 28, 2017, 07:31:15 AM
Why dont you fuckin pussies let the master shill defend himself.

Because his only rebuttle is another personal attack on me.

My excuse is this website is FOR flat earthers, and I'm sick of this idiot lying and calling people retards for thinking Earth is flat on a website JUST FOR THAT.

Yes, he has lied. He constantly says, theres no proof for this theres no explanation for that, when there are explanations and proofs, he just claims they arent good eniugh for them, so they dont exist, and doesnt mention them when "debunking" things Well guess what, that's fuckin lying.

Where has he lied? ALL OVER THE PLACE. Just read his posts. Want one in this thread? Well, I dont live with my mother, hes lying right there.

So fuck off you shills.

Earth is flat.

Nasa are NAZIS.

God is real.

Wake up.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 28, 2017, 08:10:42 AM
If I'm a shill then you are controlled opposition sunshine.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: mysticalcreature on April 28, 2017, 08:43:30 AM
Why dont you fuckin pussies let the master shill defend himself.

Because his only rebuttle is another personal attack on me.

My excuse is this website is FOR flat earthers, and I'm sick of this idiot lying and calling people retards for thinking Earth is flat on a website JUST FOR THAT.

Yes, he has lied. He constantly says, theres no proof for this theres no explanation for that, when there are explanations and proofs, he just claims they arent good eniugh for them, so they dont exist, and doesnt mention them when "debunking" things Well guess what, that's fuckin lying.

Where has he lied? ALL OVER THE PLACE. Just read his posts. Want one in this thread? Well, I dont live with my mother, hes lying right there.

So fuck off you shills.

Earth is flat.

Nasa are NAZIS.

God is real.

Wake up.

Then you live with your grandma... Relax............ The earth is round!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 28, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
I'm getting paid a rather decent hourly wage right now.

I have never, nor will I ever say anything like that here.

On the other hand you sad globe earthers who have nothing better to do than waste your time here for the "betterment" of society SAY THINGS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Badxtoss on April 28, 2017, 11:24:41 AM
Rabinoz is indeed a shill. He is the most obvious shill as his profile pic is a globe...
Incorrect!
Quote
Internet shill
An Internet shill is someone who promotes something or someone online for pay without divulging that they are associated with the entity they shill for.

I most certainly am not paid to post here, nor am I associated with any other entity!

You are here religously, like a work schedule. You format every post like a teacher formats a slideshow. You promote the mainstream agenda. You constantly lie. And you ignore when you have been proven wrong.

Rabinoz=SHILL.
I'm pretty sure you've never proven Rab wrong.
He gives detailed, scientific answers to scientific questions.  I don't think I've seen any lies either.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 28, 2017, 01:19:23 PM
Why dont you fuckin pussies let the master shill defend himself.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Badxtoss on April 28, 2017, 01:56:36 PM
Why dont you fuckin pussies let the master shill defend himself.
You kiss your mother with that mouth?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 28, 2017, 02:25:04 PM
Why dont you fuckin pussies let the master shill defend himself.

Because his only rebuttle is another personal attack on me.

My excuse is this website is FOR flat earthers, and I'm sick of this idiot lying and calling people retards for thinking Earth is flat on a website JUST FOR THAT.
No, this website is FOR debating flat earth theory and promoting the Flat Earth "cause" - big difference!
Go and play with the "Flat Earth Believers, A board for debate and discussion among Flat Earth Believers" if you can't actually debate or discuss things!

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
Yes, he has lied. He constantly says, theres no proof for this theres no explanation for that, when there are explanations and proofs, he just claims they arent good eniugh for them, so they dont exist, and doesnt mention them when "debunking" things Well guess what, that's fuckin lying.
I keep saying that you have not presented and refuse to present evidence or proof - big difference!
Yes, I claim that "they aren't good enough" and they aren't.

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
Where has he lied? ALL OVER THE PLACE. Just read his posts. Want one in this thread? Well, I dont live with my mother, hes lying right there.
Poor old Arealhumanbeing
;D can't recognise a joke! This whole thread is a joke on YOU and you haven't woken up yet! ;D

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
So fuck off you shills.

Earth is flat.
Incorrect!
Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
Nasa are NAZIS.
Incorrect!
Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
God is real.
Correct!
Quote from: Arealhumanbeing
Wake up.
But what sickens my most about you Mr Arealhumanbeing is that you proclaim that God is real and that you are a Christian and that we all should "go and sin no more" (yes all that is laudible),
then use language that is worse than I hear on the CB channels where every second word seems starts with "F".

Yes, Mr Arealhumanbeing, I am sorry to say that your whole attitude sickens me!

And that is a big part of why I keep onto your, your complete and utter hypocrisy!

Yes, I've said this before and I'll keep saying it.

If you actually have material relevant to the shape of the earth, present it, but remember that NASA had nothing to do with "the shape of the earth" and to claim otherwise is being simply deceptive!

The shape of the earth was "sorted out" millennia ago, and all findings, especially by astronomers have been consistent with that, so go ang argue with their findings and refute them.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on April 28, 2017, 02:41:50 PM


 but remember that NASA had nothing to do with "the shape of the earth" and to claim otherwise is being simply deceptive!
Granted, the claim of a globe earth was established before NASA got into business.
But that's not the whole story is it ?

NASA has ''proven'' a spinning earth, correct distance to the moon, the relative comfort of the Van Allen Belts, the moon as a rock floating in orbit, the possibilties for manned space travel and more......
And by doing so the ungodly ''big bang'' could gain momentum.
If all the hypothetical math worked out flawlessly during the Gemini and Apollo missions the overall atheistic cosmological hypothesis gained an incredible boast.

But if the Van Allen Belts are still the final border, the moon still an optical secret then all we can do from earth is use triangulation and parallax to measure certain hypothetical distances in the supposed vastness of space.

Hopefully you notice the dilemma ?
By dismissing NASA's accomplishments in the space race we would have to begin from almost scratch.
 
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 28, 2017, 04:16:23 PM

but remember that NASA had nothing to do with "the shape of the earth" and to claim otherwise is being simply deceptive!
Granted, the claim of a globe earth was established before NASA got into business.
But that's not the whole story is it ?

NASA has ''proven'' a spinning earth, correct distance to the moon, the relative comfort of the Van Allen Belts, the moon as a rock floating in orbit, the possibilties for manned space travel and more......
Actually, I believe that the early astromomers and philosophers did pretty much end the story!

These quotes from InFlatEarth pretty well map out the history of the Globe and heliocentrism hypotheses (as I guess they were then) till the time before Copernicus.
I suppose you have noted that all of these believed that the earth was a Globe and many found evidence that clearly points that way.

What I have found amazing is the amount of detail they managed to find, even without any modern instruments.
The measured the circumference of the earth, the distance to the moon, the size of the moon, estimated the distance to the sun (very rough, but a huge distance away), the tilt of the earth's axis and knew about the precession of the equinoxes.

By 1000 AD, the radius of the Globe was measured to within 1% of the current value.

Some even proposed the heliocentric globe well before the Indian mathematician Aryabhata (AD 476–550) and Copernicus (1473 AD-1543 AD).

Quote from: dutchy
And by doing so the ungodly ''big bang'' could gain momentum.
If all the hypothetical math worked out flawlessly during the Gemini and Apollo missions the overall atheistic cosmological hypothesis gained an incredible boast.

But if the Van Allen Belts are still the final border, the moon still an optical secret then all we can do from earth is use triangulation and parallax to measure certain hypothetical distances in the supposed vastness of space.
No, the claim that "the Van Allen Belts are still the final border" is a pure fabrication by anti NASA folk.
There is plenty of evidence that the Van Allen Belts can be traversed.

Quote from: dutchy
Hopefully, you notice the dilemma?
By dismissing NASA's accomplishments in the space race we would have to begin from almost scratch.
No dilemma, just your failure to face up to the actual evidence available.

Maybe, but first you have to honestly "dismiss NASA's accomplishments", then deny the thousands of other other satellite launches by many countries, including Israel, India and China.

All in your vain attempt to cover up what was well known for hundreds of years and millennia in some cases.

And to top it if the last "Flat Earth Cosmology" that went close to explaining actual observations was that of the ancient Babylonians.

If your faith needs to hide things like this, it is pretty weak. You don't need to believe in a flat earth to deny evolution! Look at:
The flat earth myth. (http://creation.com/flat-earth-myth)
Creation Ministries, The flat-earth myth and creationism (http://creation.com/the-flat-earth-myth-and-creationism)
A flat earth, and other nonsense, Dealing with ideas that would not exist were it not for the Internet (http://creation.com/refuting-flat-earth)
Creation Ministries, Flat earth leader is an evolutionist! (http://creation.com/flat-earth-leader-is-an-evolutionist)

Creation Ministries is as anti-evolution as you can get, but is almost as strongly anti-flat earth!

Take your NASAphobic glasses off and you might see much more clearly!

Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on April 28, 2017, 05:00:29 PM
Take your NASAphobic glasses off and you might see much more clearly!
I seem to notice a pattern in your posts. Bamboozle your opponents with as much info you can ''copy paiste'' and avoid answering simple questions and remarks.
So are you willing to try again ?

''How did Greek scholars know the Earth was a sphere? They observed that ships disappeared over the horizon while their masts were still visible''. WOW !!
You better not quote the ancient Greeks, because their observational conclusions are invalid as the Nikon P900 has proven in 2017 !!

I am willing to discuss each and every dilemma you encounter, but one at the time.....
P.S the earth has four corners and God removed our sins as far from us as the east is from the west...on a spinning globe earth it is invetable that you will always be reunited with your sins because there is no east and west from God looking down up on a spinning globe.
His promises are false because from above east and west change position during earth's spin.
Maybe therefor christianity has fallen so deep........and their biblical guidelines cannot mean anything than mere symbolism...spoken to ancient goatherders who God addresses in their invalid world view.

But ain't that strange ? God's chosen people are adressed from a flatearth perspective (East and West), but the foolish Greeks receive the scientific wisdom of the true shape of our earth which you so oftenly bring into the discussion....the foolish Greeks who seek for wisdom ?

Why has your flavour of christianity fallen so far from the tree ?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 28, 2017, 05:59:07 PM
At one point he wrote that himself, I think he keeps files of ready made arguments against popular flat earth arguments, which is admittedly kinda lame.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Twerp on April 28, 2017, 06:43:08 PM
So fuck off you shills.

I used to be a shill. My bosses only wanted me to engage with high value opponents. But it's so fun to rev your little engine that I engaged with you one too many times. My bosses noticed, unfortunately. So now I am not a shill anymore.  :'( :'( :'(

Ps. Now that they are not paying me I would gladly switch sides for the right price. Make me an offer.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: disputeone on April 28, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
I'm getting paid a rather decent hourly wage right now.

I have never, nor will I ever say anything like that here.

I know, you'd be lucky to be on minimum wage whatever you do if you keep your current frame of mind.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 28, 2017, 08:10:21 PM
Take your NASAphobic glasses off and you might see much more clearly!
I seem to notice a pattern in your posts. Bamboozle your opponents with as much info you can ''copy paiste'' and avoid answering simple questions and remarks.
So are you willing to try again ?
So sorry if facts bamboozle you, but that's not really a problem that I can do much about.

Quote from: dutchy
''How did Greek scholars know the Earth was a sphere? They observed that ships disappeared over the horizon while their masts were still visible''. WOW !!
You better not quote the ancient Greeks, because their observational conclusions are invalid as the Nikon P900 has proven in 2017 !!
So now we need modern scientific instruments like the Nikon P900, but I have never seen that prove that the earth was flat.
It's so funny that you'll accept the Nikon P900, but most flat-earthers, including Rowbotham, seem to have this huge problem with telescopes - especially these ::) terrible astronomical ones  ::)!

Quote from: dutchy
I am willing to discuss each and every dilemma you encounter, but one at the time.....
P.S the earth has four corners and God removed our sins as far from us as the east is from the west.
Excuse me! But I have never seen any "serious" flat earth with "four corners", have you?
So, just possibly it really was figurative language for the whole earth?

Quote from: dutchy
..on a spinning globe earth it is invetable that you will always be reunited with your sins because there is no east and west from God looking down up on a spinning globe.
His promises are false because from above east and west change position during earth's spin.
You seem to have a very limited and physical picture of God. I cannot see how you can reconcile that with the concept that He can be in all places any all times at the same time - I think that is some deeper meaning that you are missing here, but I'm not prepared to go into a debate over it!
I've had my fill of the many sects with their own interpretations and your ideas are effectively just another one.

Quote from: dutchy
Maybe therefor christianity has fallen so deep........and their biblical guidelines cannot mean anything than mere symbolism...spoken to ancient goatherders who God addresses in their invalid world view.
I don't have any dilemmas to discuss with you, sorry.

Quote from: dutchy
But ain't that strange ? God's chosen people are adressed from a flatearth perspective (East and West),
It may be only part of the story, but I do believe that He to address the early people in language that they would understand.

Quote from: dutchy
but the foolish Greeks receive the scientific wisdom of the true shape of our earth which you so oftenly bring into the discussion....the foolish Greeks who seek for wisdom?

Why has your flavour of christianity fallen so far from the tree?

And so you condemn the many millions of Christians who do not follow your interpretation.
That is my definition of just another sect, they all tack on an "AND".
It seems to be "Whosoever believeth in Him and that the Earth is Flat shall be saved".

But what your claim is "THE TRUTH" is far removed from what I have seen from history.
If you want to discuss religious belief, go to the appropriate forum.
If you want to discuss actual evidence from past history or of what we actually observe here and now fine.

So, bye bye - respond only if you are prepared to look at actual evidence, including the findings of astronomers.
Many of the old astronomers were as far as we can tell certainly believers.
I mean people like the Venerable Bede, Copernicus and Galileo plus many more.
There never was much dispute over the shape of the earth, though there certainly was over whether the earth was the centre of the Universe.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on April 29, 2017, 04:13:42 AM
So now we need modern scientific instruments like the Nikon P900, but I have never seen that prove that the earth was flat.
It's so funny that you'll accept the Nikon P900, but most flat-earthers, including Rowbotham, seem to have this huge problem with telescopes - especially these ::) terrible astronomical ones  ::)!
Firstly, i respect your request to abbondon a religious discussion, althaugh i think it is extremely relevant. But since you don't wanna go there, i can only respect your choice !
Therefor i will not bother with the rest of your comments.

I am not ''most flat earthers'' and only interrested in Rowbotham (Eric Dubay) in recognising him as a thriving force behind the awakening of the flatearth.
As a counter arguement about generalisations......
''you flatearthers hate technology,...why post on a forum with your computer ?'' are the predictable comments from many globers who are afraid of the truth.

The truth is that what we observe from the shores over the curvature that cannot possibly work on a globe with a circomference of 25.000 miles and the correct math for curvature drop and refraction.
you have stated on numerous occasions that there is not one single video that cannot be debunked with ease.......how typicall,...but let's start with a modest distance captured by the flatearther's beloved Nikon coolpix P900. (it is almost a religious item for us  ;D)

(http://)

Please make any correction and support your corrections with correct math !
Thanks in advance rabbi !
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 29, 2017, 07:20:36 PM
Thanks in advance rabbi !
Maybe there's a rabbi among Arealhumanbeing or a few others here, but I'm no rabbi.

Besides, the topic is "Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?"

Bye bye.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on April 30, 2017, 01:14:32 AM
Thanks in advance rabbi !
Maybe there's a rabbi among Arealhumanbeing or a few others here, but I'm no rabbi.

Besides, the topic is "Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?"

Bye bye.
Ah, all of a sudden you want to stay on topic, because you still have to figure out the amount of quadruple refraction, distortion and lensing that is needed to make the video i presented from the Toronto skyline fit your globe model.

If this is proof for anything, it is that you do not watch videos' that would open the discussion, because there is indeed a far greater visuality than we assumed before.
Run for the hills rabbi, while pretending you have never seen anything presented that couldn't be explained with ease.......

Yes you are a globe earth rabbi, ready to throw the heliocentric  dogmatic textbook at 'you' at any given time, but wants to stay on topic while he himself is participating on the wrong forum.
Sure,.....  attend this forum for a while, notice that the retards over here seem to cherish their fantasies at all costs and move along to a heliocentric forum , because that is where you belong, not here.Your longstay over here is off topic. ;D

But maybe you are a shill, because posting 7000 posts while no flatearther really cares  or listens to you is something i consider extremely dubious.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 30, 2017, 03:32:43 AM
Thanks in advance rabbi !
Maybe there's a rabbi among Arealhumanbeing or a few others here, but I'm no rabbi.

Besides, the topic is "Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?"

Bye bye.
Ah, all of a sudden you want to stay on topic, because you still have to figure out the amount of quadruple refraction, distortion and lensing that is needed to make the video i presented from the Toronto skyline fit your globe model.

If this is proof for anything, it is that you do not watch videos' that would open the discussion, because there is indeed a far greater visuality than we assumed before.
Run for the hills rabbi, while pretending you have never seen anything presented that couldn't be explained with ease.......

Yes you are a globe earth rabbi, ready to throw the heliocentric  dogmatic textbook at 'you' at any given time, but wants to stay on topic while he himself is participating on the wrong forum.
Sure,.....  attend this forum for a while, notice that the retards over here seem to cherish their fantasies at all costs and move along to a heliocentric forum , because that is where you belong, not here.Your longstay over here is off topic. ;D
But you claim nothing hidden from water level,yet in the photo below, from about the same distance much of Toronto is hidden.
!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Toronto_seen_across_lake_Ontario_from_Olcott_2.JPG)
Toronto as seen across lake Ontario from Olcott Beach, NY; evening 18th July EST, by Ad Meskens
Now those buildings are 64.5 km away and large part's are hidden.

So, which photo is genuine? I would say both are probably quite genuine and you need photos taken under various conditions to gain much evidence.

And for Chicago see
Quote from: totallackey
I have seen Chicago across Lake Michigan from a distance of 45 miles away.
You have? Big deal, so what. That does seem to be very variable!
(http://wbnd.images.worldnow.com/images/7602503_G.jpg)
Mirage of the Chicago Skyline from Grand Mere State Park
   
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VuqBe8otbL2RHP18oWj5poK1MToC0Zq8Xp3AxSpLrBQ=w600-h392-no)
Most of Chicago hidden - behind what?
   
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6dno0h26s7b0j79/Chicago%20Part%20Hidden.png?dl=1)
Oops, where has Chicago gone?

But, as for your video. I'm no expert on that sort of thing, but I would be very suspicious of any video or photograph that had a solid band (here a dark one) right along the apparent horizon. To me it looks like a sure sign of a mirage, but don't take my word for it, go ask some expert.

As I said before that is why I do not like to rely on one video like that as evidence. Make of that what you will!

And yes, I have noticed "that the retards over here seem to cherish their fantasies at all costs" and take no notice of all the failings in their flat earth model. They totally ignore all the things that simply do not work with any flat earth I have seen.

Quote from: dutchy
But maybe you are a shill, because posting 7000 posts while no flatearther really cares  or listens to you is something i consider extremely dubious.
A "shill" is someone paid by some undisclosed source. I certainly have never been paid a cent, so that accusation is totally false.

But I  find these personal attacks so encouraging!
If you can't dispute a message, you can at least attack the messenger.
Keep it up!

But, I do not really care that "no flatearther really cares  or listens to" me. If you look, at present there 236 Guests and 8 Users.
Many of these "guests" are ptobably uncommitted from YouTube, etc. I am more concerned that these people see both sides fairly.

Don't worry I have no illusions that fully indoctrinated flat earthers will believe any evidence against the flat earth.
I've seen numerous times where any evidence is simply deemed as fake, you do it yourself. I lot of other evidence is simply ignored.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on April 30, 2017, 07:21:53 AM
Don't worry I have no illusions that fully indoctrinated flat earthers will believe any evidence against the flat earth.
I've seen numerous times where any evidence is simply deemed as fake, you do it yourself. I lot of other evidence is simply ignored.

What are you even trying to say? Is the stress getting to you mr.shill?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on April 30, 2017, 11:24:28 AM
But you claim nothing hidden from water level,yet in the photo below, from about the same distance much of Toronto is hidden.
!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Toronto_seen_across_lake_Ontario_from_Olcott_2.JPG)
Toronto as seen across lake Ontario from Olcott Beach, NY; evening 18th July EST, by Ad Meskens
Now those buildings are 64.5 km away and large part's are hidden.
So a photo taken from eyeheight + refraction..... how much according to which curvature calculator should be hidden ?
On many photo's taken over a lake we see (much) more than the curvature calculator + refraction allows for on a globe with a circomference of 25.000 miles.
Quote
So, which photo is genuine? I would say both are probably quite genuine and you need photos taken under various conditions to gain much evidence.
You mean ''looming'', ''lensing'', ''refraction'', ''mirages'' and ''superior mirages'' ?
(http://i.imgur.com/GfB4Ag9.jpg)
look it is just a ''fata morgana''.... :o from 5200 feet from the abyss uhhhh the deep.

If you think that is a superior mirage than something is very wrong with the gullibility within our modern society.
The Chigaco skyline has done a perfect double backflip just to arise at the horizon as we would expect when viewing into the distance.
But i don't blame you, because this looks very real to you :
From 1000.000 miles a perfect shot  ;D :'(
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png)
Reality as shown in the picture's of Chicago is a ''fata morgana'' and CGI is reality for you. ???
O boy.......
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Lonegranger on April 30, 2017, 01:09:18 PM
I'm still thinking about a response for you but your last one does you no credit.
You know as well as I do that the whole notion of a flat earth rests on lies, ignorance and a intertwined conspiracy of such complexity, that most flat earthers fail to follow its intimate conclusion.
The number of things they claim to be lies and a hoax would suggest that we would all be living in caves rubbing sticks together.....to read some of the posts on this site they may be well doing that. Forget trying to debunk small side issues think of the big picture. Why would millions of people conspire to hide the truth from you? That is the only question you need to ponder.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on April 30, 2017, 03:53:49 PM
But you claim nothing hidden from water level, yet in the photo below, from about the same distance much of Toronto is hidden.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Toronto_seen_across_lake_Ontario_from_Olcott_2.JPG)
Toronto as seen across lake Ontario from Olcott Beach, NY; evening 18th July EST, by Ad Meskens
Now those buildings are 64.5 km away and large part's are hidden.
So a photo taken from eyeheight + refraction..... how much according to which curvature calculator should be hidden ?
On many photo's taken over a lake we see (much) more than the curvature calculator + refraction allows for on a globe with a circomference of 25.000 miles.
In that "Toronto as seen across lake Ontario from Olcott Beach, NY" photo as near as I can gather it is was taken from "Olcott Beach Carousel Park" about 9 m above water level.
This would make the "hidden" amount 227 m with no refraction or 188 m with "typical refraction".

Nobody denies that on some photo's taken over a lake we see more than the curvature calculator + typical refraction allows for on a globe with a circumference of 24,900 miles - not exactly your words.

Whether you like it or not does not change the facts. The visibility of distant objects varies very considerably.
There's nothing I can do about it and nothing you can do about it.

You might read an earlier post Throwing a Curveball of Refraction « Message by rabinoz on April 15, 2017, 06:39:19 AM ». (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70142.msg1896766;topicseen#msg1896766)
Refraction has around long before you neo-Flatists turned up around 1800 AD.
It was of great concern to
      navigators using the horizon for "horizontal" in celestial navigation and to
      astronomers taking star and planet observations near the horizon, hence that graph in the post.
But
In the above photo above, a great deal of Toronto is hidden - that is a FACT!
You might even read The day that Toronto floated above Lake Ontario in Buffalo (https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/01/24/the-day-that-toronto-floated-above-lake-ontario-in-buffalo.html)
Quote from: dutchy
You mean ''looming'', ''lensing'', ''refraction'', ''mirages'' and ''superior mirages'' ?
Mirage of Chicago Skyline from Grand Mere State Park (http://i.imgur.com/GfB4Ag9.jpg)
look it is just a ''fata morgana''.... :o from 5200 feet from the abyss uhhhh the deep.
I don't believe that I mentioned "fata morgana", but I haven't a clue what you mean by "from 5200 feet from the abyss uhhhh the deep"?
Quote from: dutchy
If you think that is a superior mirage than something is very wrong with the gullibility within our modern society.
The Chicago skyline has done a perfect double backflip just to arise at the horizon as we would expect when viewing into the distance.
So you toss out all photos of the "Chigago Skyline" with much hidden and keep the one that suits you.
Ever heard of "Confirmation Bias"?
I accept them all as genuine photos taken under different conditions.
(http://wbnd.images.worldnow.com/images/7602503_G.jpg)
Mirage of the Chicago Skyline from Grand Mere State Park
   
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VuqBe8otbL2RHP18oWj5poK1MToC0Zq8Xp3AxSpLrBQ=w600-h392-no)
Most of Chicago hidden - behind what?
   
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6dno0h26s7b0j79/Chicago%20Part%20Hidden.png?dl=1)
Oops, where has Chicago gone?
Quote from: dutchy
But i don't blame you, because this looks very real to you :
From 1.000.000 miles a perfect shot  ;D :'(
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png)
Reality as shown in the picture's of Chicago is a ''fata morgana'' and CGI is reality for you. ??? O boy.......
No, I accept all these photos as real, you pick those that fit your pre-conceived ideas.
You must believe that the earth is flat so you declare anything that is evidence against that as fake.
I have heard the same old story over and over:
Quote
Place of the Conspiracy in FET
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.

Essentially the reasoning boils down to -

P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET

C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From THE FLAT EARTH Wiki, Place of the Conspiracy in FET. (http://theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Place+of+the+Conspiracy+in+FET)

Just note "There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET" and "The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence".
Anything that you come up with that you cannot (or will not) personally verify can be deemed "fabricated evidence".
Looks pretty convincing to me.
"The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth" so any evidence, not personally verifiable is fake!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on May 01, 2017, 09:59:08 AM
I'm still thinking about a response for you but your last one does you no credit.
You know as well as I do that the whole notion of a flat earth rests on lies, ignorance and a intertwined conspiracy of such complexity, that most flat earthers fail to follow its intimate conclusion.
The number of things they claim to be lies and a hoax would suggest that we would all be living in caves rubbing sticks together.....to read some of the posts on this site they may be well doing that. Forget trying to debunk small side issues think of the big picture. Why would millions of people conspire to hide the truth from you? That is the only question you need to ponder.
I think that the notion about a ''flatearth'' has started as a reflex towards the modern society that has many induviduals in a stranglehold....one way or the other.
Such ''reflexes'' have made Trump the president of the United States, while he is in my opinion one of the last persons in the USA that would do anything for the benefits of all. But the same can be said about the Clintons en Co and their ongoing hungre for influence and power.
Trump is about himself, himself and more about him.
That having said,...i am a father of three, my eldest son is a major historian, my second son almost a graduated IT professional on a higher educational level and my youngest daughter is still in highschool, doing national top sports (trampoline) and doing extremely well.
I am a religious person (christian), but decided to give my children a less influential religious education than i initially was aiming for.
The less indoctrination the better,...... to give them their own choices in live without ''daddies deepest convictions'' clouding their observation.

Our communication at home is good, pleasant and sometimes on the edge, because my wife and i allow for it and support it !
What i did notice is, that contrary to my own childhood, they hardly question anything they were told at school.
Evolution, cosmology, politics, history...all are accepted and barely challenced. To busy, to ''lazy'', to ''unimportant'' , but foremost because ''they'' (professionals in the field) would ''surely know'' etc.
I think that is very unhealthy, because i have noticed more than once how indoctrinated they are about varying subjects they learned without ever needing to question such propositions.
Society agrees that they are ''succesfull'' induviduals (diploma's), while it is my deepest conviction that a lot is left wanting in their further developement as induvidual persons capable of critical thought..
When talking about the moonlandings or space discoveries, they simply accept what is presented, because ''those'' involved would know better than me...for sure ?!...
But changing my tactics by asking questions instaed of proclaiming whatever insight, it became obvious that they do have questions, but don't realise it very often.
I blame the way ''we'' teach our children in schools, it is more and more about learning, implementing, collecting settled info instead of stimulating a deep process of intellectual thought.

I personally would never ever believed that i would doubt the moonlandings and be swayed towards a flatearth....
Why did it happen ?
Not because i live in a basement !, (therefor some background info about the status of my family life ....and btw happily married for over 27 years with my first girlfriend i felt madly in love with)
Not because it gives me some special feeling to know some secret knowledge the rest doesn't.
Not because i failed in modern society and need some special meaning in my insignificant life.
Not because i am to stupid to even understand basic science.
Not because i am to lazy to get myself informed properly.

Only because i became more and more interrested in modern society my wife, children and i participated in on a daily basis.
It became obvious that wherever humans organise, they also left the door wide open for some form of corruption.
Organised religion / church (don't go there ever !), politics and the industry lobby, financial clubs, sport organisations, scientific research and more.....
The higher organisations climb on the social ladder the more corruption....so it seems.
The pressure to be the best, more successfull, ''worth your government investments'', top the competition doesn't promote a healthy organisation either.
We have witinessed quite some ''revelations'' in the last decade where human nature (greed, powerlust and other forms of wickedness) hit the surface more than once..

When it comes to space exploration, we hardly have independent gatekeepers that are capable of checking the actual status apart from financial input.
Compartimentalisation is extremely effective and even ''errased NASA tapes'' seem to difficult to overtake. Something any other organisation would get into a lot of trouble and questioning. In Holland a single tape was lost/errased that COULD contain info about the genocide in Srebrenica and the whole country was in shock.
But NASA doesn't know how the tapes were lost and many pretend those things occur in any organisation once in a while.....which is simply untrue, a lie and a fabrication in favour of a cover up, as clear as you would ever see one.

I began to read more and more about NASA and i could hardly believe in what unique position they had maneuvered themselves through the decades.
Like the churh in ancient times they seemed above (literarely) other organisations and questioning NASA's accomplishments is like questioning the validity of the church as a gatekeeper of christianity.
Because the general public fancies ''discoveries in space'' more than ''research about the climat''(positive vs negative),there is little suspicion about NASA's achievements, because most see a future in which space travel and moontrips can be possible as a great prospect. Of course NASA (who will provide that) has a clear advantage based on positive ''wishfull thinking''. That is why positive promises by politicians ''work'' during the campaign, while everyone with half a brain knows those promises are made out of thin air, or even based on mantra's like ''hope'', ''together'', ''yes we can'', ''make America great again'', ''fantastic''. I have heard, seen many intellectuals fall for the Obama rhetoric....the same persons who accuse me of being an ''imbecile'' when doubting the moonlandings.....just a matter of perspective and critical thinking,...in my opinion.


Fast forward,........after three years reading all i could find, i came to the conclusion that i could no longer believe the manned moonlandings happened.
To many astronauts that rarely gave interviews and when they did something was not right in a way that lying politicians can hardly match.
I knew a lot about cosmology as a puber so the default paradigm of cosmology wasn't totally new for me.
I read about the string theory, the M theory and more.....

When i went outside a totally different experience of walking on earth ''happened''. Viewing the moon i could no longer believe that men went there influenced by all that i read.
I could no longer believe the sun was 150.000.000 km away and a lightyear 950.000.000.000 km.
Some stars i viewed where supposedly trillions of km away.
It didn't make sense whatsoever anymore.....
Of course i can still explain to myself about what i am seeing should be validated according to current cosmology, i understand it perfectly well !!

I stumbled upon some crazy flatearth articles and wondered how certain wacko's could still be around in 2013.
Then i gave it a few years and the whole idea began to make more and more sense.....
Am i a diehard ''flatearther'' ?,.... most certainly not, but the way many good videos about visuality beyond the curvature, gyroscopes, the invalid coriolis effect on drains, gunmen and the coriolis effect, the sun moving at the ''North pole'' made me a disbeliever of the total cosmological big bang and expanding universe theory with distances beyond rationality.
Since CGI is presented more, my suspicion is growing and on tv a scientist explained (couple of years ago) how the ''far away universes'' captured by Hubble really looked on the initial Hubble ''footage'' before presenting it to the general public after some extreme window dressing. I was in total shock, because that was what this person said when he saw the raw data at first and the window dressing afterwards.

So i am in a sort of ''no man's land'', but it would take some real testing and modern set ups to re-install my believes in the current cosmological model.

I hope i have informed you a bit more about my own personal journey in all of this....thanks for listening ;D


Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
Compartimentalisation is extremely effective and even ''errased NASA tapes'' seem to difficult to overtake.
What about the telemetry tapes from all of the Apollo missions that weren't erased?  Don't they count for anything?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on May 01, 2017, 11:25:54 AM
What about the telemetry tapes from all of the Apollo missions that weren't erased?  Don't they count for anything?
Sure !
But that doesn't take away from any rational explaination about HOW most of it got lost.
It is like claiming i have a huge collection of extremely rare comic books, that got lost during a move to another place and then claiming these things do happen once in a while. ::)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 01, 2017, 12:22:36 PM
What about the telemetry tapes from all of the Apollo missions that weren't erased?  Don't they count for anything?
Sure !
But that doesn't take away from any rational explaination about HOW most of it got lost.

"Most" of the Apollo telemetry got lost? Nope.

The type of tape they were using to record mission telemetry became unavailable, so some of the original tapes from earlier missions were reused for later missions after the data on them was archived. This became a "thing" when interest in improving the quality of the scan conversion of the Apollo 11 moonwalk video was investigated, and the original tapes containing the unconverted analog video were found to have been reused. It's unfortunate that only the best-available (at the time) scan converted standard video was archived instead of the slow-scan original, but preserving the former was much more straightforward since equipment to do so was readily available, unlike the custom format, and, since we were going back soon anyway, that video was treated as kind of an afterthought.

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It is like claiming i have a huge collection of extremely rare comic books, that got lost during a move to another place and then claiming these things do happen once in a while. ::)

Zillions of comic books were routinely discarded and destroyed soon after they were published because they weren't valuable at the time. Some are kept for a while, but fewer (or, in some cases, none) are preserved until they become rare and valuable. "I had that whole collection when I was a kid, but mom tossed it after I moved off to college. Now, 40 years later, those would have been worth thousands."  It happens. A lot. Which is why a few become rare and those, when recognized, are treated accordingly.

Actually, I have no problem believing that troves of rare comic books are sometimes discarded because their value at the time isn't recognized. That's the sort of thing people comb estate sales for.

In the case of the Apollo telemetry tapes, there wasn't a single working deck that could read them at the time that the search for the original tapes was being made earlier this century, and hadn't been for some time. One that could potentially be restored had been located in a museum, so there was hope. If there's nothing to read the tapes on, the tapes are of little to no value, even presuming the tape itself hadn't deteriorated too much to be read. This was especially true since almost all the data on them had already been adequately transcribed. Unfortunately, the transcription quality for the Apollo-11 live surface video, deemed adequate at the time, was not as good as it could have been done 40 years later.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2017, 01:19:23 PM
What about the telemetry tapes from all of the Apollo missions that weren't erased?  Don't they count for anything?
Sure !
But that doesn't take away from any rational explaination about HOW most of it got lost.
Who said that "most of it got lost"?  I though that it was just the Apollo 11 tapes that were lost, not the other 16 Apollo mission tapes.

It is like claiming i have a huge collection of extremely rare comic books, that got lost during a move to another place and then claiming these things do happen once in a while. ::)
Are you saying that no one's mother ever threw out a fortune in old comic books?  I know that mine did a bunch of years ago.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: dutchy on May 01, 2017, 01:43:26 PM
What about the telemetry tapes from all of the Apollo missions that weren't erased?  Don't they count for anything?
Sure !
But that doesn't take away from any rational explaination about HOW most of it got lost.

"Most" of the Apollo telemetry got lost? Nope.

The type of tape they were using to record mission telemetry became unavailable, so some of the original tapes from earlier missions were reused for later missions after the data on them was archived. This became a "thing" when interest in improving the quality of the scan conversion of the Apollo 11 moonwalk video was investigated, and the original tapes containing the unconverted analog video were found to have been reused. It's unfortunate that only the best-available (at the time) scan converted standard video was archived instead of the slow-scan original, but preserving the former was much more straightforward since equipment to do so was readily available, unlike the custom format, and, since we were going back soon anyway, that video was treated as kind of an afterthought.

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It is like claiming i have a huge collection of extremely rare comic books, that got lost during a move to another place and then claiming these things do happen once in a while. ::)

Zillions of comic books were routinely discarded and destroyed soon after they were published because they weren't valuable at the time. Some are kept for a while, but fewer (or, in some cases, none) are preserved until they become rare and valuable. "I had that whole collection when I was a kid, but mom tossed it after I moved off to college. Now, 40 years later, those would have been worth thousands."  It happens. A lot. Which is why a few become rare and those, when recognized, are treated accordingly.

Actually, I have no problem believing that troves of rare comic books are sometimes discarded because their value at the time isn't recognized. That's the sort of thing people comb estate sales for.

In the case of the Apollo telemetry tapes, there wasn't a single working deck that could read them at the time that the search for the original tapes was being made earlier this century, and hadn't been for some time. One that could potentially be restored had been located in a museum, so there was hope. If there's nothing to read the tapes on, the tapes are of little to no value, even presuming the tape itself hadn't deteriorated too much to be read. This was especially true since almost all the data on them had already been adequately transcribed. Unfortunately, the transcription quality for the Apollo-11 live surface video, deemed adequate at the time, was not as good as it could have been done 40 years later.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720)
''NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing.''

''The good news is he found where they went. The bad news is they were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed -- magnetically erased -- and re-used to save money.''

Knowing the moonhoax debate was out there from the very start, the original high quality video of the first moonlandings could contain the most obvious clues for a staged Apollo moonlanding.
The original Apollo 11 recordings were unique with that in mind.
Almost all moonhoax' critcis about a staged moonlanding is focussed on the pre recorded Apollo 11 footage that was shown on a big screen during ''live tv'' worldwide.
Everything should be in a vault preserved for future generations.
The comments about how the ''moonhoax clan'' would react upon such loss, indicates that NASA was very aware about the flaws that hoaxers' claimed to have found in the original Apollo 11 recordings.
With that in mind they should have preserved their Exhibit A in a better place.

My point stands. NASA knew the ''hoaxers'' were especcially dismissing the recordings of the Apollo 11 attempts to ''fake'' the first landing and lost it, knowing it would fuel the debate.

And did you loose some large collection of great value know as such? Do you know someone who did ? (my remarks about loosing a large amount of rare comicbooks with a KNOWN value)
The first moonlanding is, so they say, the greatest achievement of mankind,.......not those missions that followed soon after.
To fail to preserve those original recordings is without explaination.
And yes i can read all ''explainations'' available to explain away how and why it did happen.....but none of them make sense whatsoever, only from a cover up perspective.
''To safe money'' ?
If you compare the total budget of NASA in the lean times of NASA,  recording over the greatest achievement of mankind is insane.
What amount of money was saved by doing so ?
I can think of hundreds of far more irrelevant cuts to save way more money.....or are you implying they did cut each and every corner untill even ''free space'' and ''storage'' became to expensive at one point in NASA's budgetary history ?

Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 01, 2017, 04:18:51 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720)
''NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing.''

''The good news is he found where they went. The bad news is they were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed -- magnetically erased -- and re-used to save money.''

Knowing the moonhoax debate was out there from the very start, the original high quality video of the first moonlandings could contain the most obvious clues for a staged Apollo moonlanding.
The original Apollo 11 recordings were unique with that in mind.

The slow-scan (SS) video wasn't high quality to start with. 320 scan lines, 200-line resolution, 10 fps progressive, monochrome. It was better than the scan-converted video but still poor even by the day's NTSC TV standard.

Given the ridiculous conclusions some people have jumped to from the truly high quality Hasselblad images, anyone that wanted to make a fuss about what the video showed would not have been deterred.

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Almost all moonhoax' critcis about a staged moonlanding is focussed on the pre recorded Apollo 11 footage that was shown on a big screen during ''live tv'' worldwide.

Nothing would have changed. All of the later Apollo missions had far better-quality video[nb]Apollo 12's video camera failed early in the EVA.[/nb] than the best that could be hoped for from the Apollo 11 SS video. Has that fazed the "hoaxers"? No.

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Everything should be in a vault preserved for future generations.

Agreed. Fortunately, almost all of the data is preserved. Unfortunately, even NASA at the time had constraints and they made a decision that was poor in hindsight. Shit happens.

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The comments about how the ''moonhoax clan'' would react upon such loss, indicates that NASA was very aware about the flaws that hoaxers' claimed to have found in the original Apollo 11 recordings.
With that in mind they should have preserved their Exhibit A in a better place.

My point stands. NASA knew the ''hoaxers'' were especcially dismissing the recordings of the Apollo 11 attempts to ''fake'' the first landing and lost it, knowing it would fuel the debate.

You overstate the influence of "hoaxers". There were a few at the time of Apollo; they were generally regarded as the nutcases they obviously were. By the time Internet access got cheap enough for them to find it and make enough noise to break squelch, the tapes were already long gone.

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And did you loose some large collection of great value know as such? Do you know someone who did ? (my remarks about loosing a large amount of rare comicbooks with a KNOWN value)

I've known some comic and baseball-card collections that were tossed, yes (they weren't mine; I usually would give away, lose, or discard comics soon after reading them, so no collection). The value wasn't known at the time they were discarded, though. Also... (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70000.msg1904744#msg1904744)

As already mentioned, the Apollo 11 data (including the EVA video) was archived and is still available today. The value of the raw SS video was underappreciated at the time. Obviously, this was a mistake. They needed the tapes. Shit happens.

It's 'lose', not 'loose', BTW. [nb]That blunder especially bugs me in sports discussions and carries elsewhere. How could an English speaking (sorta) sports fan not know how to spell the two most basic terms in sports: 'win' and 'lose'?[/nb]

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The first moonlanding is, so they say, the greatest achievement of mankind,.......not those missions that followed soon after.
To fail to preserve those original recordings is without explaination.

It's already been explained. Many times.

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And yes i can read all ''explainations'' available to explain away how and why it did happen.....but none of them make sense whatsoever, only from a cover up perspective.

You see... there are explanations. You don't like them, but that's your problem.

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''To safe money'' ?
If you compare the total budget of NASA in the lean times of NASA, recording over the greatest achievement of mankind is insane.

Not insane. They had rational reasons. It was a poor choice. Shit happens.

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What amount of money was saved by doing so ?

No real idea; since - as I understand it - production of that kind of tape was discontinued, if they had to commission a limited run to make more it could have been an enormous amount.

A bigger problem may have been schedule. They still had missions to fly and needed media to record their data.

You could ask NASA how much money they were talking about.

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I can think of hundreds of far more irrelevant cuts to save way more money.....

Good on you! Are you working from actual data, or are you just speculating and expressing uninformed opinion? I'm betting on the latter and you being what's called a Monday-morning quarterback (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/monday-morning-quarterback).

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or are you implying they did cut each and every corner untill even ''free space'' and ''storage'' became to expensive at one point in NASA's budgetary history ?

That seems unlikely in an organization as large and complex as NASA during the Apollo days. Too bad you weren't there to tell them where to save pennies. For all we know, not knowing then what you know (and think you know) now, you may have recommended re-using the tapes to save a big ol' pot o' money, and screw all those penny-ante "savings" (which, of course, may have had their own repercussions).
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on May 03, 2017, 11:59:16 AM
Don't worry I have no illusions that fully indoctrinated flat earthers will believe any evidence against the flat earth.
I've seen numerous times where any evidence is simply deemed as fake, you do it yourself. I lot of other evidence is simply ignored.

What are you even trying to say? Is the stress getting to you mr.shill?

I see theres no response here!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Shifter on May 03, 2017, 06:14:15 PM

I see theres no response here!

There's often no response from you on almost everything asked to you so whats your point? On another thread I asked have you have removed your camera from your smart phone (if you have one) because otherwise, like so many other things in your life you take for granted, they were invented or inspired by NASA. You are a hypocrite of the tallest order.

Remove ye smart phone camera lest ye be a NASA shill!!!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on May 03, 2017, 07:04:47 PM
Don't worry I have no illusions that fully indoctrinated flat earthers will believe any evidence against the flat earth.
I've seen numerous times where any evidence is simply deemed as fake, you do it yourself. I lot of other evidence is simply ignored.

What are you even trying to say? Is the stress getting to you mr.shill?

I see theres no response here!
You said nothing worth responding to! And you still post that same untruth.
I did get one letter wrong "I A lot of other evidence is simply ignored.", but you often do a lot worse.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on May 03, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
Don't worry I have no illusions that fully indoctrinated flat earthers will believe any evidence against the flat earth.
I've seen numerous times where any evidence is simply deemed as fake, you do it yourself. I lot of other evidence is simply ignored.

What are you even trying to say? Is the stress getting to you mr.shill?

I see theres no response here!
You said nothing worth responding to! And you still post that same untruth.
I did get one letter wrong "I A lot of other evidence is simply ignored.", but you often do a lot worse.


Ohh now Rab the shill cant read!

I mean he clearly said that indocrinated flat earthers believe anything AGAINST flat earth...

That doesnt make much sense...

But when asked about it, Rab the shill says I am a liar, posting "untruths".

Shill harder Rab...
Shill harder...
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on May 03, 2017, 07:49:47 PM
Ohh now Rab the shill cant read!

I mean he clearly said that indocrinated flat earthers believe anything AGAINST flat earth...

That doesnt make much sense...
Perhaps because that isn't what he said.  Try reading it again.

Don't worry I have no illusions that fully indoctrinated flat earthers will believe any evidence against the flat earth.

I think that you missed the bold part.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on May 03, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Don't worry I have no illusions that fully indoctrinated flat earthers will believe any evidence against the flat earth.
Ohh now Rab the shill cant read!
I mean he clearly said that indocrinated flat earthers believe anything AGAINST flat earth...
That doesnt make much sense...
But when asked about it, Rab the shill says I am a liar, posting "untruths".
Are you sure that I am the one that can't read? Read what I wrote again!
I did not say "indocrinated flat earthers believe anything AGAINST flat earth".
What I said was
"I have no illusions that fully indoctrinated flat earthers will believe any evidence against the flat earth.".
That vital omission, "I have no illusions that . . . . . . . . wil",
that you so dishonestly carelessly left out makes all the difference in the world to the meaning.
So, you certainly are posting "untruths" - if only by careless omission.
And I did no say that you were "a liar". You are a liar only if you are knowingly posting "untruths

PS I'm still waiting for all this undeniable evidence that proves that the earth is flat.
     and I have no idea what "indocrinated" even means!
     The meaning of "indocrinated" seems to be that it's how "ignerants" spell "indoctrinated".

     Now, what about actually present evidence and arguments rather than perpetual "Argumentum ad Hominem".

 
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on May 18, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
Double entendre.

You should be more precise with your word usage.

But I know you wont because youre a misleading, paid shill.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on May 19, 2017, 05:01:04 AM
Double entendre.

You should be more precise with your word usage.

But I know you wont because youre a misleading, paid shill.
You should learn some reading comprehension, but I am never intentionally misleading.
If, however, you insist that I am paid to post here,
then you are a proven liar because I have never been paid.
And you have no evidence that I have lied, but then you don't seem to bother about evidence.

Still, I guess that it's your childish style: always attack the messenger, never the message.

Bye bye, kiddo!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: jtlondon83 on May 20, 2017, 12:31:10 AM
What about the telemetry tapes from all of the Apollo missions that weren't erased?  Don't they count for anything?
Sure !
But that doesn't take away from any rational explaination about HOW most of it got lost.

"Most" of the Apollo telemetry got lost? Nope.

The type of tape they were using to record mission telemetry became unavailable, so some of the original tapes from earlier missions were reused for later missions after the data on them was archived. This became a "thing" when interest in improving the quality of the scan conversion of the Apollo 11 moonwalk video was investigated, and the original tapes containing the unconverted analog video were found to have been reused. It's unfortunate that only the best-available (at the time) scan converted standard video was archived instead of the slow-scan original, but preserving the former was much more straightforward since equipment to do so was readily available, unlike the custom format, and, since we were going back soon anyway, that video was treated as kind of an afterthought.

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It is like claiming i have a huge collection of extremely rare comic books, that got lost during a move to another place and then claiming these things do happen once in a while. ::)

Zillions of comic books were routinely discarded and destroyed soon after they were published because they weren't valuable at the time. Some are kept for a while, but fewer (or, in some cases, none) are preserved until they become rare and valuable. "I had that whole collection when I was a kid, but mom tossed it after I moved off to college. Now, 40 years later, those would have been worth thousands."  It happens. A lot. Which is why a few become rare and those, when recognized, are treated accordingly.

Actually, I have no problem believing that troves of rare comic books are sometimes discarded because their value at the time isn't recognized. That's the sort of thing people comb estate sales for.

In the case of the Apollo telemetry tapes, there wasn't a single working deck that could read them at the time that the search for the original tapes was being made earlier this century, and hadn't been for some time. One that could potentially be restored had been located in a museum, so there was hope. If there's nothing to read the tapes on, the tapes are of little to no value, even presuming the tape itself hadn't deteriorated too much to be read. This was especially true since almost all the data on them had already been adequately transcribed. Unfortunately, the transcription quality for the Apollo-11 live surface video, deemed adequate at the time, was not as good as it could have been done 40 years later.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720)
''NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing.''

''The good news is he found where they went. The bad news is they were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed -- magnetically erased -- and re-used to save money.''

Knowing the moonhoax debate was out there from the very start, the original high quality video of the first moonlandings could contain the most obvious clues for a staged Apollo moonlanding.
The original Apollo 11 recordings were unique with that in mind.
Almost all moonhoax' critcis about a staged moonlanding is focussed on the pre recorded Apollo 11 footage that was shown on a big screen during ''live tv'' worldwide.
Everything should be in a vault preserved for future generations.
The comments about how the ''moonhoax clan'' would react upon such loss, indicates that NASA was very aware about the flaws that hoaxers' claimed to have found in the original Apollo 11 recordings.
With that in mind they should have preserved their Exhibit A in a better place.

My point stands. NASA knew the ''hoaxers'' were especcially dismissing the recordings of the Apollo 11 attempts to ''fake'' the first landing and lost it, knowing it would fuel the debate.

And did you loose some large collection of great value know as such? Do you know someone who did ? (my remarks about loosing a large amount of rare comicbooks with a KNOWN value)
The first moonlanding is, so they say, the greatest achievement of mankind,.......not those missions that followed soon after.
To fail to preserve those original recordings is without explaination.
And yes i can read all ''explainations'' available to explain away how and why it did happen.....but none of them make sense whatsoever, only from a cover up perspective.
''To safe money'' ?
If you compare the total budget of NASA in the lean times of NASA,  recording over the greatest achievement of mankind is insane.
What amount of money was saved by doing so ?
I can think of hundreds of far more irrelevant cuts to save way more money.....or are you implying they did cut each and every corner untill even ''free space'' and ''storage'' became to expensive at one point in NASA's budgetary history ?

Do you also deny the existence of Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles then? It's basically the same technology. And if you do, how do you explain the peace that's prevailed over Western Europe since World War 2? If both the US and the Russians knew that they were lying about their missile technology it wouldn't serve as an effective deterrent... and yet...

Also for all the 'deep thinking' you did, that appeared to lead from the truth into ignorance for some reason, you seem to have forgotten that IT WASN'T FREAKING NASA WHO PROVED THE EARTH WAS A SPHERE.

Why does everyone keep forgetting that?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Lonegranger on May 20, 2017, 02:11:29 AM
Are they joking or is it the truth?

Still waiting for some proof, oh empty headed one.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Shifter on May 21, 2017, 03:34:39 PM
Some stars i viewed where supposedly trillions of km away.

You are not actually viewing 'the star'. You are viewing the light it has emitted and because in a vacuum there is nothing to absorb or scatter the light, it travels those trillions of km unimpeded. To be clear, you are not actually viewing the physical object that is the star. Just the light.

In fact, very few stars are actually visible looking at the night sky unaided

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-06-12-MilkyWay1023x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: BrightNextStep on May 22, 2017, 06:24:45 AM
dutchy, why waste energy on clearly paid trolls? :-\ :-[
What about the telemetry tapes from all of the Apollo missions that weren't erased?  Don't they count for anything?
Sure !
But that doesn't take away from any rational explaination about HOW most of it got lost.
It is like claiming i have a huge collection of extremely rare comic books, that got lost during a move to another place and then claiming these things do happen once in a while. ::)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Shifter on May 22, 2017, 02:32:34 PM
dutchy, why waste energy on clearly paid trolls? :-\ :-[

If we are clearly paid please provide the evidence. I'm writing this stuff for free so I'm obviously missing out! You seem to know, so please enlighten us so that I can get in on this too!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on May 22, 2017, 05:26:36 PM
dutchy, why waste energy on clearly paid trolls? :-\ :-[
Like most flat earth "proofs", simply a statement with no evidence.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Fist of Nee on May 22, 2017, 07:27:42 PM
The company i work for does contract work for NASA. 
I was never paid for the posts i made earlier this year. 
I was encouraged to make posts on this and a few other sights by my manager.
I just assumed she had  weird sense of humor, now i am not so sure.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: hoppy on May 22, 2017, 07:33:16 PM
dutchy, why waste energy on clearly paid trolls? :-\ :-[

If we are clearly paid please provide the evidence. I'm writing this stuff for free so I'm obviously missing out! You seem to know, so please enlighten us so that I can get in on this too!
This is exactly what a shill would say.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Shifter on May 22, 2017, 07:43:18 PM
Maybe a shill would say that. You made the accusation I am a shill. Where is your evidence Because what I said can also be said by non shills.

So you must based on your accusations

Know where I work
What I do
Who pays me

Otherwise, like most of what you say, it is nothing but a baseless accusation on something you don't know anything about!

I only wish I got paid for my posts! I could do with some extra coin!
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Twerp on May 22, 2017, 10:13:29 PM
Hoppy's post is exactly the same as all his other posts regarding shillery. It's just something he does, probably out of habit. Asking him to provide evidence is futile.
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on May 23, 2017, 12:26:04 AM
dutchy, why waste energy on clearly paid trolls? :-\ :-[

If we are clearly paid please provide the evidence. I'm writing this stuff for free so I'm obviously missing out! You seem to know, so please enlighten us so that I can get in on this too!
This is exactly what a shill would say.
That's is exactly what an indoctrinated sheepie would say.

But I'm gradually learning this New Flat Earth Dictionary:
Shill: n Anyone who disagrees with :-[ the obvious Truth of the Flat Earth  :P.
  Lie: n Any piece evidence that seems contrary to :-[ the obvious Truth of the Flat Earth  :P.

I guess one lives and learns these  ::) truths  ::)
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on May 23, 2017, 04:54:47 AM
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: frenat on May 23, 2017, 05:06:53 AM
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1
Got anything to add besides spamming an ignorant link across multiple threads?
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: markjo on May 23, 2017, 05:21:08 AM
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1
Now who's being a shill?  ;D
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: Cartog on May 24, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
Nobody's paid me, nor even offered to pay me, to post on this website.  I feel very left out. 
Title: Re: Why do so many people confess to being paid to post here!?
Post by: rabinoz on May 24, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1
I suppose you mean in his beautifully presented

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3ZtXj8OUHic/Vb9-37NWv6I/AAAAAAAAP6o/ubKGbV7s-g0/s400/200-Proofs-cover.jpg)
"200 Proofs that Eric Dubay does not understand the Globe or basic physics." (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1)

While studying that document you might like to refer to this explanatory on-line " :P study-guide  :P":

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ncvdgyyvxqpc8gn/Rebuttals%20and%20Refutations%20-%20200%20Proofs%20.%20.%20.%20.%20.%20..png?dl=1)
:P :P Study Guide for: “200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball” :P :P (http://the-uncredibles.tumblr.com/200proofs)

All that Atlantean Conspiracy proves is that
Eric Dubay has no understanding of the Globe nor of Physics.