The Flat Earth Society

Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: origamiscienceguy on October 24, 2016, 06:08:43 PM

Title: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 24, 2016, 06:08:43 PM
In light of recent events, I wanted to make an example of a good, honest chalenge. So here it is:

I challenge anybody willing to participate to create a flat Earth model that features a sun that sets and rises in a way that matches what is observed in reality.

You may ignore any other constrains pertaining to a flat Earth such as distances, constellations, etc. The only constrains are that the earth must be flat, and the sun must rise and set in a way correctly in all locations.

Anybody who does not wish to participate in the challenge may choose to help me judge entries. I will take input and feedback from all participating sub-judges and decide if the entry completes the challenge.

The first successful completer of my challenge may request anything for me to draw in Microsoft paint. I will make the image to the best of my ability, and they may then use the image for their signature.

If you have questions or concerns, please ask.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: TotesReptilian on October 24, 2016, 07:40:36 PM
The only constrains are that the earth must be flat, and the sun must rise and set in a way correctly in all locations.

This is still rather vague. First of all, there is no way for us to test "all locations". You may want to specify a number of preselected or random locations. Then compare sunset times/locations with timeanddate.com. Of course, some flat earthers argue that timeanddate.com is wrong, so you may want to limit the test locations to places that flat earthers can verify. Good luck getting volunteers for that though...

The key is to eliminate loopholes, while providing an objective way to judge the entries. Saying that the sun "must rise and set in a way correctly" isn't very objective. Or grammatically correct, for that matter.

Also, you do realize you just invited Intikam to help judge, right? You may want to be slightly more selective with your judges.

Edit: that being said, I would value your reward ten times more than that other dude's monopoly money.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: Crouton on October 24, 2016, 07:54:22 PM
Can we use a crazy/magical map for the earth to make it work?

Like DET with it's aether equator?
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: Chicken Fried Clucker on October 24, 2016, 08:07:16 PM
Can we use a crazy/magical map for the earth to make it work?

Like DET with it's aether equator?

Can aether be considered an "equation"?

I would call it abracadabra....in the DET model.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 24, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
This was made as a joke. It is meant to be full of loopholes. Go create whatever landmass you want, as long as the sun rises and sets.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: disputeone on October 24, 2016, 10:50:05 PM
This was made as a joke. It is meant to be full of loopholes. Go create whatever landmass you want, as long as the sun rises and sets.

How good are your MS Paint skills?
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 24, 2016, 10:58:04 PM
If you browse the forum, you'd probably be able to see some of my art.

It's not good, but If I call it art, then nobody can question it.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: JerkFace on October 24, 2016, 11:47:12 PM
In light of recent events, I wanted to make an example of a good, honest chalenge. So here it is:

I challenge anybody willing to participate to create a flat Earth model that features a sun that sets and rises in a way that matches what is observed in reality.

You may ignore any other constrains pertaining to a flat Earth such as distances, constellations, etc. The only constrains are that the earth must be flat, and the sun must rise and set in a way correctly in all locations.

Anybody who does not wish to participate in the challenge may choose to help me judge entries. I will take input and feedback from all participating sub-judges and decide if the entry completes the challenge.

The first successful completer of my challenge may request anything for me to draw in Microsoft paint. I will make the image to the best of my ability, and they may then use the image for their signature.

If you have questions or concerns, please ask.

Easy...  the flat earth model that consists of a  finite non-euclidean plane without edges.    A sphere to be precise.   Flat surface in curved space.    What prize do I get?   

Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 24, 2016, 11:51:43 PM
I don't quite understand. One of the requirements was that the earth be flat, but you claim its a sphere. Please elaborate.

Also, the Prize is you tell me any image, and I do my best to make it in MS paint, for you to place in your sig.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: disputeone on October 25, 2016, 12:57:39 AM
I was gonna say that Rayzor haha thought it was cheating.

It's one of Johns new models, I am fond of it, it does match observation.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: JerkFace on October 25, 2016, 04:04:38 AM
I was gonna say that Rayzor haha thought it was cheating.

It's one of Johns new models, I am fond of it, it does match observation.

That's where I got it from,  and yes it matches observations perfectly.   
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: JerkFace on October 25, 2016, 04:16:18 AM
I don't quite understand. One of the requirements was that the earth be flat, but you claim its a sphere. Please elaborate.

Also, the Prize is you tell me any image, and I do my best to make it in MS paint, for you to place in your sig.

Perhaps John Davis can explain it better,  but  his model maintains that satellites travel in straight lines,  and that space is curved,   this directly implies that the surface they travel over  ( the earth ) must be flat, since the altitude remains constant and they are travelling in straight lines.   So the earth is flat in curved space.   Or, unless you can derive a simpler non-euclidean surface that is finite and has no edges,  the shape of the flat earth is actually the surface of a sphere.   



Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: aisantaros on October 25, 2016, 04:59:28 AM
In light of recent events, I wanted to make an example of a good, honest chalenge. So here it is:

I challenge anybody willing to participate to create a flat Earth model that features a sun that sets and rises in a way that matches what is observed in reality.

You may ignore any other constrains pertaining to a flat Earth such as distances, constellations, etc. The only constrains are that the earth must be flat, and the sun must rise and set in a way correctly in all locations.

Anybody who does not wish to participate in the challenge may choose to help me judge entries. I will take input and feedback from all participating sub-judges and decide if the entry completes the challenge.

The first successful completer of my challenge may request anything for me to draw in Microsoft paint. I will make the image to the best of my ability, and they may then use the image for their signature.

If you have questions or concerns, please ask.


I call bullshit on this, this will take away right at the start the ONLY charm of flat earth the sheer simplicity and "common sense approach"

And we dont want our fun spoiled by killing FE this quickly don't we ? 
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: rabinoz on October 25, 2016, 05:15:03 AM
I don't quite understand. One of the requirements was that the earth be flat, but you claim its a sphere. Please elaborate.

Also, the Prize is you tell me any image, and I do my best to make it in MS paint, for you to place in your sig.

Perhaps John Davis can explain it better,  but  his model maintains that satellites travel in straight lines,  and that space is curved,   this directly implies that the surface they travel over  ( the earth ) must be flat, since the altitude remains constant and they are travelling in straight lines.   So the earth is flat in curved space.   Or, unless you can derive a simpler non-euclidean surface that is finite and has no edges,  the shape of the flat earth is actually the surface of a sphere.
I have tried to convince him that satellites travel in the equivalent of "geodesics" in space-time and not in space.
He insists on calling these  "geodesics" "straight lines", but "geodesics" are "straight lines" only in Euclidean Space, just as geodesics on the surface of the earth are actually circles.

In Einstein's General Relativity space-time is curved by massive objects (and energy since they are equivalent), but in the vicinity of earth the curvature of the "space-like" component is minute. Even near the sun it is extremely small. I prefer to call the John Davis form of relativity the "Ferrari Effect" after Leo Ferrari of the Andrea Barns "spoof" video by Leo Ferraru, et al.
Take a look at In Search of the Edge - searchguide.pdf, An Enquiry into the Shape of the Earth and the Disappearance of Andrea Barns. (http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/guides/searchguide.pdf)
Sometimes a "bootleg" copy of the full video "In Search of the Edge" can be seen on Youtube, but it is copyrighted by Bullfrog Films.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: disputeone on October 25, 2016, 05:38:21 AM
I was gonna say that Rayzor haha thought it was cheating.

It's one of Johns new models, I am fond of it, it does match observation.

That's where I got it from,  and yes it matches observations perfectly.

Yeah sorry the second bit was at OSG, I should've clarified.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 25, 2016, 07:48:41 AM
Could you go into more detail about the sun? Does it travel around the earth, does the earth rotate etc.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: JerkFace on October 25, 2016, 08:17:15 AM
Could you go into more detail about the sun? Does it travel around the earth, does the earth rotate etc.

The origin of the co-ordinate system can be wherever you like.   Geocentric and heliocentric are equivalent,  although heliocentric is simpler.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 25, 2016, 09:44:20 AM
So it is just the round earth model, but with some space-time bending to make the earth look flat? Is that correct?
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: Jane on October 25, 2016, 02:58:38 PM
You may ignore any other constrains pertaining to a flat Earth such as distances, constellations, etc. The only constrains are that the earth must be flat, and the sun must rise and set in a way correctly in all locations.
Ooh, let's have fun with this.

There is more than one Earth. In fact, there are dozens: all of the individual parts exist in the same basic plane in space, meaning the Earth is certainly flat, but they are spread apart. They aren't touching, and at many points in between there are huge walls. Each individual part of the Earth has its own Sun, and these Suns move in perfect synchronisation. When the Sun appears to set at one part of the Earth, it descends beneath the disc, and so would certainly be cut off bottom-up and rendered invisible. Meanwhile, elsewhere, another part of the Earth with another Sun will have its own Sun rising.

Given that you loosed all constraints, I need only match the two requests you made. I don't need to worry about issues like travel, or distances, or stars, or gravity, etc.
I simply need the Earth to be flat (which it certainly is, being composed of discs all along the same plane), and that the Sun rises and sets correctly in all locations (which can happen, should the discs and their respective Suns be set up correctly).
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 25, 2016, 03:14:21 PM
Well, after some careful deliberation (with myself, since nobody wanted to be a judge) I do believe that Jane has won the challenge. It meets all the criteria, at least.

However, razor may have gotten it first if I am understanding him correctly, but because of your creative solution, you can have a reward as well.

.what would you like me to draw?
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: Jane on October 25, 2016, 03:30:06 PM
Well, after some careful deliberation (with myself, since nobody wanted to be a judge) I do believe that Jane has won the challenge. It meets all the criteria, at least.

However, razor may have gotten it first if I am understanding him correctly, but because of your creative solution, you can have a reward as well.

.what would you like me to draw?
A turtle eating a flat Earth.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 25, 2016, 03:55:58 PM
I'll try and get it done by tonight.

Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: JerkFace on October 25, 2016, 04:50:57 PM
Well, after some careful deliberation (with myself, since nobody wanted to be a judge) I do believe that Jane has won the challenge. It meets all the criteria, at least.

However, razor may have gotten it first if I am understanding him correctly, but because of your creative solution, you can have a reward as well.

.what would you like me to draw?

To save you some angst,  I'll also  vote for the great a'tuin turtle eating a flat earth,   like a pizza,   but the turtle has to have Donald Trump's hair.

Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: disputeone on October 25, 2016, 05:30:34 PM
Well, after some careful deliberation (with myself, since nobody wanted to be a judge) I do believe that Jane has won the challenge. It meets all the criteria, at least.

However, razor may have gotten it first if I am understanding him correctly, but because of your creative solution, you can have a reward as well.

.what would you like me to draw?

To save you some angst,  I'll also  vote for the great a'tuin turtle eating a flat earth,   like a pizza,   but the turtle has to have Donald Trump's hair.



+1
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 25, 2016, 06:49:04 PM
Alright, Rayzor and Jane now have my permission to place this prestigious image in their sig. Or not. It's their choice either way.

(https://44159919-198113350668198683.preview.editmysite.com/uploads/4/4/1/5/44159919/contest-winner_orig.png)
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: disputeone on October 25, 2016, 07:19:50 PM
That's dope.

In b4 OP wont deliver.

He did.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: Jane on October 26, 2016, 04:45:59 AM
Alright, Rayzor and Jane now have my permission to place this prestigious image in their sig. Or not. It's their choice either way.

(https://44159919-198113350668198683.preview.editmysite.com/uploads/4/4/1/5/44159919/contest-winner_orig.png)
Thank you. I will treasure it forever.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: deadsirius on October 26, 2016, 05:01:07 AM
I like it but I think the turtle got ripped off--someone already ate off the sweet ice-wall crust!
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: Chicken Fried Clucker on October 26, 2016, 07:36:03 AM
I like it but I think the turtle got ripped off--someone already ate off the sweet ice-wall crust!

The turtle might have licked it off before hand...kinda like an Oreo?

I would put this on my refrigerator if someone gave it to me.

What is the black thing on its back?? Probably some form of remote control from the penguins. They finally got what they wanted...the destruction of flat earth. Since they evolved for space flight they will migrate to the next Celestial body with their giant mutant turtle.

Next is the moon.....then here we come mars.


I vote this to be the new FES logo.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 26, 2016, 08:02:21 AM
It Is a mine turtle, symbolizing trumps current self-destruction.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: Chicken Fried Clucker on October 26, 2016, 09:03:57 AM
It Is a mine turtle, symbolizing trumps current self-destruction.

Don't let the media and "target polls" presented by the media fool you. There really is a possibility this will be a brexit situation for Trump. There are very striking almost mirror image like situations between the two.

Plus the fact he has drawn close to 800k people total to his rallies compared to Clintons 40k total. Her average is around 2-300 per event, and that includes party leaders, chairmen etc which accounts for about a 3rd. Compare that to trumps average of around 8k per event. I think he had one recently in Florida that almost topped 25k...that is freaking ridiculous.

Between mirror images of press bias, biased targeted "polls", the ridiculous turn outs to a cause and many other things....it really is a mirror image of the brexit shock.

He has shot himself in both legs and one hand with his stupidity, has 97 percent of the biased media after him, and many other factors. But don't feel bad for him....he isn't sinking like the media is trying so hard to show him doing. Gotta look under the biased bull shit.


For the record I am not a trump lover whatsoever, but I am a never Hillary person. So the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

My real vote has always been for Ron Paul ;D Which would never happen as he always made WAY too much sense.
Title: Re: my flat earth challenge!
Post by: JerkFace on October 26, 2016, 05:54:10 PM
Alright, Rayzor and Jane now have my permission to place this prestigious image in their sig. Or not. It's their choice either way.

Thank you,  that goes straight to the pool room.  :)   ( obscure Australian film reference )

I know there are going to be people who claim the competition was rigged,  and you are going to be being sued by that batshit crazy Trump for biased pictorial depictions, however I can offer some protection in the form of the official Donald Trump  conspiracy tinfoil hat. 

Plans are available from here.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/tin-foil-hat/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=tw&utm_campaign=20161024hat