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Title: Shills or Sincere
Post by: JacobLaw on August 26, 2016, 05:38:26 AM
Sincerity can be faked making one just a shill or paid to form a lie.
Being willingly ignorant also may be worse than a shill.
Being ignorant person is acceptable if they are sincerely seeking truth and will be instructed.
Proverbs 6:23  For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?


Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: markjo on August 26, 2016, 06:13:06 AM
What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?
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Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 26, 2016, 06:16:51 AM
What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?
Roughly 42.345% are shills and 72.9888% are truth seekers.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Omega on August 26, 2016, 06:26:23 AM
I can only speak for myself. I am paid by Satan to propagate the misinformation we, the NWO have made up to fool te masses.

Satan is actually a pretty nice boss to work for. Good benefits, full healthcare and the joy of meeting Elvis and Carl Sagan last week was fantastic.

I don't consider myself a shill, though. I just help create a better world for my masters. We all benefit.

Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: origamiscienceguy on August 26, 2016, 06:43:19 AM
I am a shill intern. So I don't get paid, but I still shill for the valuable life experience.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: John Davis on August 26, 2016, 08:44:43 AM
I think most here have fun now and then, but the majority of flatists are looking for truth myself included.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Omega on August 26, 2016, 09:14:52 AM
I think most here have fun now and then, but the majority of flatists are looking for truth myself included.


Then why do you close your eyes when evidence is before you?

I know, I am a servant of Satan. And yes, I get big bucks from NASA. But even we, who run the conspiracy, are baffled by how you reasoning. If we would use your arguments to fool the world, we would *never* convince *anyone*!
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Crouton on August 26, 2016, 09:16:32 AM
It's kind of hard to say how many shills are on this forum.  There's several different organizations.  Myself, I'm employed by the American West Coast Society of Misinformation, which for some reason falls under the authority of the IBEW.  The safety regulations can be onerous but the benefits are good and it at least is a secular shill organization.

My previous employer, The Imperial Order of Information Management for His Satanic Majesty, was as the name implies an organization with some religious over tones.  Our meetings were opened with prayer which made me feel uncomfortable.  All of our holidays were different.  And, I know this is an odd complaint, the people were way too nice.  Like Mormon levels of politeness, it's kind of annoying.

A fascination with the sphere shape was pervasive throughout both employers.  We have direct deposit now but before that we used to get our paychecks were round.  About the size of a tennis ball.  Fun fact, breast implants are based on NASA technology.  A good test for determining of if someone claiming to believe in a flat earth is actually a shill is see if he responds to large breasted women.  99.9% if a man is ogling large breasts, he's a rounder.

I don't know the exactly number but I'd say in North America some 280 million people are paid shills.  That might change with our next president.  I'm not sure how yet.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: SpJunk on August 26, 2016, 12:33:55 PM
I don't care who they are, are they get paid by Eric Dubai and Rob Skiba or not.

Here on forum I see the main conflict comes between
emotions and Bible on one side,
and logic and observations on the other.

Shills can't do much here, where people question everything.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Omega on August 26, 2016, 01:49:50 PM


My previous employer, The Imperial Order of Information Management for His Satanic Majesty

Sh*t man! So you worked for Charley? Or were you in Mike's team?

You really saved us that one time with the ISS passing by the Sun, when our Holographic projectors fritzed out.

Do you still keep in touch with the old gang?
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: origamiscienceguy on August 26, 2016, 02:05:40 PM
Man. Only 6 more years of being an intern, then I can actually start getting paid to shill.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: rabinoz on August 26, 2016, 02:08:59 PM
I can only speak for myself. I am paid by Satan to propagate the misinformation we, the NWO have made up to fool te masses.

Satan is actually a pretty nice boss to work for. Good benefits, full healthcare and the joy of meeting Elvis and Carl Sagan last week was fantastic.

I don't consider myself a shill, though. I just help create a better world for my masters. We all benefit.
Ever checked out your retirement plan?

And do you believe that such benefits are genuine considering what has been said of the trustee of your 401(K) plan!
Maybe you should check out his reputation:
            2 Corinthians 11:14
            2 Timothy 2:26
            Revelation 12:9
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Crouton on August 26, 2016, 03:13:23 PM


My previous employer, The Imperial Order of Information Management for His Satanic Majesty

Sh*t man! So you worked for Charley? Or were you in Mike's team?

You really saved us that one time with the ISS passing by the Sun, when our Holographic projectors fritzed out.

Do you still keep in touch with the old gang?

Those guys were a bit before my time.  I do remember the projector incident though.  Talk about panic mode.  I didn't have much involvement in that situation though.  At the time I was helping to setup flat earth forums, you know controlled opposition.  Oops forget I said that flat earthers(or should I say "flat earthers" you know who you are, wink wink).

I don't keep in close contact with them.  They would always try to convert me.  I would tell them, "no I don't believe in Satan".  They would say things like "I just don't see how you could look at this beautiful world around us and not believe".  Of course one day I met him at a company Solstice party.  Awkward.  He might be nice to everyone else.  He was kind of a jerk to me about the whole not believing thing.

These days I work with Google to write the software that automatically detects when any flat earther uploads a video proving the flat earth and modifies it to make it look like a round earth.  It's good work, I'm lucky in that regard.  I've met the goon squads that "disappear" the youtubers that upload the proofs of the flat earth and replace them with shapeshifting lizard men.  Those guys are... intense.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: zork on August 26, 2016, 03:58:50 PM
 Change rate between zorkmids and euros is fluctuating and it doesn't pay well always so I drop out from time to time to wait better times. Now the economy of GUE is marhing uphill and FrobozzCo International is making nice gadgets which I want (tube of viscous material is good thing). So I was activated again. The Implementators don't want any unnecessary attention from above ground so they implemented strategy to cooperate with The Conpiracy to advertise round earth and even supply them some rotgrub in case some very active flat earther truth seeker appears.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: origamiscienceguy on August 26, 2016, 09:53:57 PM
To all you experienced shills, do you think there will continue to be a market for shill jobs, because I do want to become a professional someday.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: disputeone on August 26, 2016, 10:17:08 PM
Quote
By Ex-Shill, Above Top Secret

I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. This site, ATS, was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me).

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.

The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.”

I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.

The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.

We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.”

Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.

“Perfect
After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”

“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.

“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.

The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.

My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”

She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings.

If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”

The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.

The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.”

Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”

At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.

The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”

The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).

I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.

After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.

This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.

Yours,

ExShill

http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle like always, thinking shills dont exist period is silly, but some of the posters here take it too far IMO.

I do wonder if a few members, no names (phys teach and fliggs) are paid to post here, only because fliggs calls anyone who disagrees with him mentally ill (great tactic btw) and phys teacher clearly cannot teach physics yet personally attacks anyone who disagrees with him.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: fliggs on August 26, 2016, 11:04:35 PM
Sincerity can be faked making one just a shill or paid to form a lie.
Being willingly ignorant also may be worse than a shill.
Being ignorant person is acceptable if they are sincerely seeking truth and will be instructed.
Proverbs 6:23  For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?

If you want evidence of your own foolishness look no further than your incessant belief in 'shills'. Who precisely is going to pay anyone to promote a round earth... ANYWHERE.  Answer is NO ONE.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: fliggs on August 26, 2016, 11:09:08 PM
Quote
By Ex-Shill, Above Top Secret

I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. This site, ATS, was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me).

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.

The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.”

I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.

The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.

We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.”

Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.

“Perfect
After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”

“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.

“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.

The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.

My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”

She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings.

If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”

The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.

The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.”

Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”

At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.

The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”

The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).

I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.

After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.

This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.

Yours,

ExShill

http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle like always, thinking shills dont exist period is silly, but some of the posters here take it too far IMO.

I do wonder if a few members, no names (phys teach and fliggs) are paid to post here, only because fliggs calls anyone who disagrees with him mentally ill (great tactic btw) and phys teacher clearly cannot teach physics yet personally attacks anyone who disagrees with him.

You are a weird one. You definitely seem intimidated by those with the ability to debunk or diagnose our opponents.  As if it were that hard...
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: fliggs on August 26, 2016, 11:11:43 PM
Quote
By Ex-Shill, Above Top Secret

I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. This site, ATS, was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me).

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.

The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.”

I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.

The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.

We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.”

Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.

“Perfect
After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”

“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.

“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.

The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.

My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”

She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings.

If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”

The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.

The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.”

Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”

At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.

The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”

The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).

I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.

After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.

This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.

Yours,

ExShill

http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle like always, thinking shills dont exist period is silly, but some of the posters here take it too far IMO.

I do wonder if a few members, no names (phys teach and fliggs) are paid to post here, only because fliggs calls anyone who disagrees with him mentally ill (great tactic btw) and phys teacher clearly cannot teach physics yet personally attacks anyone who disagrees with him.

I just read your silly link...  Please tell me you dont swallow that nonsense?
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Crouton on August 26, 2016, 11:14:42 PM
To all you experienced shills, do you think there will continue to be a market for shill jobs, because I do want to become a professional someday.

Well it depends on what happens in November.  The thing is neither candidate from either major party is willing to publicly discuss the issue of the flat earth and the massive amount of funding it takes to conceal it.

That's why this November I'm voting for this man:

While he doesn't specifically mention our line of work he is the only candidate who has committed to funding time travel research to kill baby Hitler.  So I think there's a good chance he would be receptive to the imminent threat of people discovering that the world is flat.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: disputeone on August 26, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
I just read your silly link...  Please tell me you dont swallow that nonsense?

I read it and thought about it.

Just like when you said you were a medical professional, I read it then thought about it and made my opinion based on the available information.

Sorry if you feel I'm targetting you but mental illness is not a joke, it's not funny, at all. Your posts have become more and more disgusting.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: disputeone on August 26, 2016, 11:42:50 PM
Also about being intimidated, I haven't seen you debunk anything, just gaslight free thinkers because they disagree with you.

As for teach he is being systematically destroyed (by ski, embarrassing right) as we speak in his UA thread.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: fliggs on August 27, 2016, 01:15:53 AM
I just read your silly link...  Please tell me you dont swallow that nonsense?

I read it and thought about it.

Just like when you said you were a medical professional, I read it then thought about it and made my opinion based on the available information.

Sorry if you feel I'm targetting you but mental illness is not a joke, it's not funny, at all. Your posts have become more and more disgusting.

Why disgusting? It is clear you agree with me in general if not in specifics.  These people need HELP, not enabling - as some do on here. There is a small possibility that one or more of them may thru some confronting commentary recognise that all is not well. But there is no possibility of that happening by enabling or agreeing with them. The absolute essential ingredient to any effective and successful therapy is to acknowlege that a problem exists - even if not the extent of it. While they stay in this haze of misfiring neurons, life is passing them by and they are becoming harder to treat.

I am confrontational in matters like this. I have a paranoid schizophrenic sister who has destroyed her own family and those around her because no one ever countered her behaviour and she remains untreated still to this day, destroying relationships and causing people harm. And it is treatable.

My research in the field of abnormal psychology (paraphilias) has brought clarity to many. My works are on the shelves of some psychotherapists and form the basis of at least two PhD theses. This not to big note myself, but rather to state that I do know what is going on here. But my approach is - and will always be - to call a spade a spade and not a bloody shovel. truth heals. Lies harm. and so confronting a problem will always be my approach. It will fail as often as it succeeds, but ignoring it will fail EVERY time.

end of sermon...
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: fliggs on August 27, 2016, 01:17:51 AM
Also about being intimidated, I haven't seen you debunk anything, just gaslight free thinkers because they disagree with you.

As for teach he is being systematically destroyed (by ski, embarrassing right) as we speak in his UA thread.

You might want to look up a dictionary about 'destroyed'. Einstein made mistakes. He was hardly destroyed. He was also called wrong by some really smart people who in time were made to look like fools.

Physics teacher has been an impressive and accurate poster while ski... well... refer to my previous post for my opinions on him.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2016, 01:30:34 AM
Quote
destroy
dɪˈstrɔɪ/Submit
verb
past tense: destroyed; past participle: destroyed
end the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it.
"the room had been destroyed by fire"

So there you have it.

Basic physics shows a ball thrown 4m in the air will take 0.9s to rise, and 0.55s to fall.

So, like I said, it falls faster than it rises.

Thanks and goodnight ☺

(https://s10.postimg.org/wehcq3nf9/1472253762482_1634301203.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/wehcq3nf9/)

(https://s13.postimg.org/5fgiusdwj/14722538908421167970083.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5fgiusdwj/)

Hope it makes more sense now teach.

Edit, remember that we are in an inertial frame of reference, that everything is moving with us.

As ski pointed out, the acceleration of the ball is not important, just the height it reaches.

Apt.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Omega on August 27, 2016, 01:38:31 AM
Let's just get something straight, by the way. My colleagues and I have been working for litterally centuries to create evidence of the round earth. We have perfected every fake image, doctored every instrument to show our false world view. We have made sure that every kid on the "globe" learns what we want them to learn. We have perfected out scam to the point that highly trained "experts" (they don't know we fool them) can't see any mistakes.

But a couple of guys here think they can see the flaws? Really? It is kind of emberassing. I am paid to go to this forum once in a while to see if someone has found some actual evidence of our conspiracy. But no. The reasoning here is embarassing.

Sorry, I am getting a bit frustrated. Nobody here even comes close to provide a good challenge.

Can't you recruit some folks who can actually do some actual observation and math?
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2016, 02:57:00 AM
Omega I'm a round earther for the record the argument was whether a ball would fall at the same rate in gravity or the UA model.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: fliggs on August 27, 2016, 02:57:41 AM
Let's just get something straight, by the way. My colleagues and I have been working for litterally centuries to create evidence of the round earth. We have perfected every fake image, doctored every instrument to show our false world view. We have made sure that every kid on the "globe" learns what we want them to learn. We have perfected out scam to the point that highly trained "experts" (they don't know we fool them) can't see any mistakes.

But a couple of guys here think they can see the flaws? Really? It is kind of emberassing. I am paid to go to this forum once in a while to see if someone has found some actual evidence of our conspiracy. But no. The reasoning here is embarassing.

Sorry, I am getting a bit frustrated. Nobody here even comes close to provide a good challenge.

Can't you recruit some folks who can actually do some actual observation and math?

Short answer... NO

Long answer... NO, the prerequisite for being an FEer is either (1) extreme ignorance (2) very low intelligence or (3) mental illness. Some have the perfect storm of all 3.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on August 27, 2016, 03:00:29 AM
I personally get paid from my government. I do not even have to work, just visiting the flat earth forum and posting some "evidence" and I get paid like if I had a 8 to 5 job.
Additionally I get some bonus directly from NASA if I post more than 3 times a week. At the end of every quartal, I get myself some extras from satan himself.

If you want to join the system, write an email at
satan.government@nasa.com
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Omega on August 27, 2016, 03:16:22 AM
Omega I'm a round earther for the record the argument was whether a ball would fall at the same rate in gravity or the UA model.

My response was not directed at you, sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: JacobLaw on September 03, 2016, 12:02:16 AM
What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?
Roughly 42.345% are shills and 72.9888% are truth seekers.

Thanks; that probably is accurate, but it was fun to throw a piece of bread on the water and watch all the little shills nibble on it, but it does get a little boring after awhile if you aren't studying their types.
However it; reminds me of these verses about the kingdom of heaven:
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48
Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: fliggs on September 03, 2016, 12:04:09 AM
What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?
Roughly 42.345% are shills and 72.9888% are truth seekers.

Thanks; that probably is accurate, but it was fun to throw a piece of bread on the water and watch all the little shills nibble on it, but it does get a little boring after awhile if you aren't studying their types.
However it; reminds me of these verses about the kingdom of heaven:
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48
Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

you picked 4 verses you knew and just threw them down on the screen. No logic, connection or thought.  Typical FEer.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: John Davis on September 03, 2016, 12:27:28 AM
And what of you?

No thought at all. Those are four consecutive verses. All related to his previous statement.

No thought from you. Just the usual -  just regurgitating your hate against flat earthers. You should look into joining the Westboro Baptist Church. They seem like your type of folks.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: SpJunk on September 03, 2016, 06:33:48 AM
Speaking of "heavenly beings", Erich von Daniken few decades ago asked
about similarities between "vimanas" in hindi mythology, "angels"
in christianity, and cargo cults of primitive tribes in Melanesian Islands.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Omega on September 03, 2016, 06:54:07 AM
And what of you?

No thought at all. Those are four consecutive verses. All related to his previous statement.

No thought from you. Just the usual -  just regurgitating your hate against flat earthers. You should look into joining the Westboro Baptist Church. They seem like your type of folks.

Rather than sling mud, how about you help out in a constructive way and help answer these questions:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67904.0

and

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67914.0
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Crouton on September 03, 2016, 08:17:00 AM
What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?
Roughly 42.345% are shills and 72.9888% are truth seekers.

Thanks; that probably is accurate, but it was fun to throw a piece of bread on the water and watch all the little shills nibble on it, but it does get a little boring after awhile if you aren't studying their types.
However it; reminds me of these verses about the kingdom of heaven:
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48
Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

You asked, we answered.  We're actually authorized to be honest in situations like this.  I can only speculate why.

Also, FYI, the Bible is very out of date.  Here, you should read this https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng instead.

It clears up all of the inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible.  You can keep reading the Bible if you want just know that the perfect restored gospel of Jesus Christ is now contained in the Book of Mormon.

thanks
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: JacobLaw on September 03, 2016, 05:34:55 PM
What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?
Roughly 42.345% are shills and 72.9888% are truth seekers.

Thanks; that probably is accurate, but it was fun to throw a piece of bread on the water and watch all the little shills nibble on it, but it does get a little boring after awhile if you aren't studying their types.
However it; reminds me of these verses about the kingdom of heaven:
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48
Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

You asked, we answered.  We're actually authorized to be honest in situations like this.  I can only speculate why.

Also, FYI, the Bible is very out of date.  Here, you should read this https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng instead.

It clears up all of the inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible.  You can keep reading the Bible if you want just know that the perfect restored gospel of Jesus Christ is now contained in the Book of Mormon.

thanks

I can understand your resistance to flat earth, is does destroy all of the Mormon doctrine; anyway if you want to hang on to Mormonism over the truth you get too, just know that the consequence will be more than anyone can bear.

Personally being raised in the LDS religion I know all the facts about it and there is many many books and videos that show the error of Mormonism and flat earth is just one more think on the pile.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Crouton on September 03, 2016, 07:26:50 PM
What I am wondering what percentage of people on the forum are shills and what percentage really what the truth?
Roughly 42.345% are shills and 72.9888% are truth seekers.

Thanks; that probably is accurate, but it was fun to throw a piece of bread on the water and watch all the little shills nibble on it, but it does get a little boring after awhile if you aren't studying their types.
However it; reminds me of these verses about the kingdom of heaven:
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48
Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

You asked, we answered.  We're actually authorized to be honest in situations like this.  I can only speculate why.

Also, FYI, the Bible is very out of date.  Here, you should read this https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng instead.

It clears up all of the inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible.  You can keep reading the Bible if you want just know that the perfect restored gospel of Jesus Christ is now contained in the Book of Mormon.

thanks

I can understand your resistance to flat earth, is does destroy all of the Mormon doctrine; anyway if you want to hang on to Mormonism over the truth you get too, just know that the consequence will be more than anyone can bear.

Personally being raised in the LDS religion I know all the facts about it and there is many many books and videos that show the error of Mormonism and flat earth is just one more think on the pile.

That's very interesting. Because if you were raised lds then surely you're aware that the restored gospel of Jesus christ is the most perfect book ever written.

If you doubt this now then I can only assume that you're either angry at God or you've broken the covenants and that the voice of the holy spirit is now weaker in your mind as a consequence.

My advice to you would be think about how you might have transgressed against our heavenly father and pray for forgiveness.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: JacobLaw on September 04, 2016, 03:16:37 PM
Quite a bit of assumptions to make there; but anyway if that is what you need to think to justify yourself, that's your choice.
In the end there will be no escape in final judgment of if you receive the love of the truth or not.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Omega on September 04, 2016, 03:41:23 PM
Quite a bit of assumptions to make there; but anyway if that is what you need to think to justify yourself, that's your choice.
In the end there will be no escape in final judgment of if you receive the love of the truth or not.

Any human who thinks he knows what the Gods will judge us by is diluting himself.

Trying to guess what the Gods want of us is like trying to guess what purple smells like. It can't be done.

Wars are fought between people who claim to know what the other should believe.

That alone seems to dismiss the possibility that the Gods judge us by what we believe. For if they did, they would have made it clear what to believe in and not leave it open to wild interpretation.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: JacobLaw on September 05, 2016, 04:22:16 AM
Quite a bit of assumptions to make there; but anyway if that is what you need to think to justify yourself, that's your choice.
In the end there will be no escape in final judgment of if you receive the love of the truth or not.

Any human who thinks he knows what the Gods will judge us by is diluting himself.

Trying to guess what the Gods want of us is like trying to guess what purple smells like. It can't be done.

Wars are fought between people who claim to know what the other should believe.

That alone seems to dismiss the possibility that the Gods judge us by what we believe. For if they did, they would have made it clear what to believe in and not leave it open to wild interpretation.

Keep thinking and try to be logical, pretty soon if you love the truth you will find what you are looking for......... thing are not as we think they are God's ways are not ours or are his thoughts.









Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on September 05, 2016, 04:37:02 AM
What if I'm a sincere shill? Mind=Blown.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Omega on September 05, 2016, 09:55:30 AM
thing are not as we think they are God's ways are not ours or are his thoughts.

WHICH IS THE BLOODY POINT I MADE.

Anyone who thinks he or she knows what God wants, is mistaken.

Anyone who is sure he or she knows what God wants, is insane.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: JacobLaw on September 09, 2016, 07:54:30 PM
thing are not as we think they are God's ways are not ours or are his thoughts.

WHICH IS THE BLOODY POINT I MADE.

Anyone who thinks he or she knows what God wants, is mistaken.

Anyone who is sure he or she knows what God wants, is insane.

You are getting closer and closer;
Romans 4:17  (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


And

1 Corinthians 8:2  And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Globetrotter on September 11, 2016, 12:13:18 AM
thing are not as we think they are God's ways are not ours or are his thoughts.

WHICH IS THE BLOODY POINT I MADE.

Anyone who thinks he or she knows what God wants, is mistaken.

Anyone who is sure he or she knows what God wants, is insane.

You are getting closer and closer;
Romans 4:17  (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


And

1 Corinthians 8:2  And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

How do you knoweth that the whole Bible is not just a lie written by an Evil for the purpose of subordination of other people, creating the notion of God (and Devil) onlly for the same purpose?
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: SpJunk on September 11, 2016, 07:08:57 PM
thing are not as we think they are God's ways are not ours or are his thoughts.

WHICH IS THE BLOODY POINT I MADE.

Anyone who thinks he or she knows what God wants, is mistaken.

Anyone who is sure he or she knows what God wants, is insane.

You are getting closer and closer;
Romans 4:17  (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


And

1 Corinthians 8:2  And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

How do you knoweth that the whole Bible is not just a lie written by an Evil for the purpose of subordination of other people, creating the notion of God (and Devil) onlly for the same purpose?

We know it isn't.

It was composed on First Nicaea Council, 325 AD.

The First Nicaea Council was called by roman emperor Constantine I.
He also took part in discussions.
They selected several Christian religious texts, dismissed others.
Other texts were also forbidden, and some people were excommunicated
and even killed for bringing them to public.

Bible was not written by Evil.
It was written by Roman Empire when attempts
to exterminate early Christians failed.

"If you can't beat them, join them" (and take over from inside).
Title: Re: Shills or Sincere
Post by: Globetrotter on September 11, 2016, 08:38:35 PM
"If you can't beat them, join them" (and take over from inside).

I agree. Especially to the last sentence.