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Title: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: palmerito0 on July 02, 2016, 10:22:35 AM
A gyroscope made of CD players...

How would this one work according to FE?

Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: sceptimatic on July 02, 2016, 10:25:49 AM
That video is so sickeningly pathetic that I fail to see how even naive people don't see through the absolute silliness of it all.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: palmerito0 on July 02, 2016, 01:16:16 PM
What is your problem with it?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Pezevenk on July 03, 2016, 12:40:16 AM
What is your problem with it?

That he doesn't agree. Seriously, that's it.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: rabinoz on July 03, 2016, 05:12:14 AM
What is your problem with it?
That he doesn't agree. Seriously, that's it.
He simply doesn't understand the significance of it!
Just like when some see a picture like this and simply cannot see the most significant features - the tiny stationary white dots!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)
You can see the most of the satellites lined up along the earth's equator, and the others are following analemmas, as geosynchronous satellites do.  Each of these satellites can be tied to a specific launch.  They can't be natural satellites, because they only started appearing when we started launching them, and they are in orbits that were carefully chosen for their intended purpose, as are all artificial satellites.  It's much easier to observe lower satellites, though.  Geostationary satellites are too far away to get anything but a faint image.
Some see the significance of those "little lights in the sky", and some are so close minded and blinkered that they mean nothing!
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Pezevenk on July 05, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
That video is so sickeningly pathetic that I fail to see how even naive people don't see through the absolute silliness of it all.

Scepti, do you disagree with gyroscopic stability?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 05, 2016, 07:33:31 PM
the tiny stationary white dots!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)

Those tiny white dots are hauling ass!   ;)
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 08, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
the tiny stationary white dots!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)

Those tiny white dots are hauling ass!   ;)

They are merely stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites for the globe deception.  ;D
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: rabinoz on July 08, 2016, 11:07:30 PM
the tiny stationary white dots!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)

Those tiny white dots are hauling ass!   ;)

They are merely stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites for the globe deception.  ;D
Triangulation from dish angles puts those " ;D stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites  ;D" at the right altitude to be in geosynchronous orbit.

Quote from: Wikipedia
A geostationary equatorial orbit (GEO) is a circular geosynchronous orbit in the plane of the Earth's equator with a radius of approximately 42,164 km (26,199 mi) (measured from the center of the Earth). A satellite in such an orbit is at an altitude of approximately 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above mean sea level.
;D So you are guessing that there are blimps at an altitude of 35,786 km!  ;D not much air there!
Still any old bit of guesswork to stop the flat earthers from thinking.

I have noticed a few of your other posts and you seem to be dragging out all the old ideas that have been answered dozens of times.
You must have just graduated from the "Flat Earther Indoctrination Course 101"!
Maybe you should wait till you get through the third level before making serious posts.

See if this post means anything to you
OK, here it is - your proof that satellite dishes are point at the same object. I am using towns at the 97 longitude to make this a 2D trigonometric problem:
You'll need to go and look at it.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 02:47:22 AM
the tiny stationary white dots!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)

Those tiny white dots are hauling ass!   ;)

They are merely stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites for the globe deception.  ;D
Triangulation from dish angles puts those " ;D stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites  ;D" at the right altitude to be in geosynchronous orbit.

Quote from: Wikipedia
A geostationary equatorial orbit (GEO) is a circular geosynchronous orbit in the plane of the Earth's equator with a radius of approximately 42,164 km (26,199 mi) (measured from the center of the Earth). A satellite in such an orbit is at an altitude of approximately 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above mean sea level.
;D So you are guessing that there are blimps at an altitude of 35,786 km!  ;D not much air there!
Still any old bit of guesswork to stop the flat earthers from thinking.

I have noticed a few of your other posts and you seem to be dragging out all the old ideas that have been answered dozens of times.
You must have just graduated from the "Flat Earther Indoctrination Course 101"!
Maybe you should wait till you get through the third level before making serious posts.

See if this post means anything to you
OK, here it is - your proof that satellite dishes are point at the same object. I am using towns at the 97 longitude to make this a 2D trigonometric problem:
You'll need to go and look at it.

Obviously you need to do more research into HAPS "High altitude platform station" blimps that reach 50Km. As someone that studied Aerospace Engineering nearly 10 years ago I will provide a little lesson of how things really work. ;D

HAPS offer all the same data transmission capabilites of "satellites," are routinely positioned 20-50Km, AND have outrageous benefits:
- They are orders of magnitude cheaper
- They can be landed for repairs and upgrades
-  rapidly deployable and replaceable without launch platforms 

Now think about those practical benefits for a moment...  You really think that Government agencies and corporations have been blowing $50-500 million a pop on 2,271 fragile, impractical, non-upgradable satellites? haha

Quite the opposite. For about $200K a HAPS blimp you can have 2,271 blimp "satelite" platforms deployed for only $454,200,000. Less then the price of a single staged $500 million shuttle launch! Think about the magnitude of that and the money laundry opportunities of such a scam.

BTW take a good look at these two articles and the conflicting stories.  One claims that Google will use 180 satellites to provide free internet while the other claims they will use HAPS platforms. Very interesting isn't it?  ;D

"Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) supports the idea of the FCC authorizing resources for the study of broadband delivered from high-altitude platform stations (HAPS), which are 20 to 50 kilometers above ground." (hmm satellite dishs aimed at 35km objects would work with this right? lol)

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/google-pushes-fcc-study-high-altitude-platform-stations-broadband-services/2015-05-20
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2646039/Googles-plans-world-domination-Search-giant-launch-180-satellites-bring-internet-access-ENTIRE-planet.html
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2016, 03:33:29 AM
Now think about those practical benefits for a moment...  You really think that Government agencies and corporations have been blowing $50-500 million a pop on 2,271 fragile, impractical, non-upgradable satellites?
No, of course not.  Instead all the world's major governments and coporations are involved in a massive conspiracy involving millions of people across decades and involving hundreds of billions of dollars spent.  They are all in fact using 10s of thousands of invisible blimps whilst pretending to use satellites.  Why do they do this?  Well, reasons.

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Quite the opposite. For about $200K a HAPS blimp
Based on?

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BTW take a good look at these two articles and the conflicting stories.  One claims that Google will use 180 satellites to provide free internet while the other claims they will use HAPS platforms. Very interesting isn't it?  ;D

Yeah, it is.  And is completely against your claims.  The  first article is about how they don't even have regulatory clearance for blimps, but would like to.  The second article is about how they are launching 180 low earth satellites.

So, your own links confirm that they are not using blimps, but are using satellites.  Are you trolling?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Jadyyn on July 09, 2016, 05:56:03 AM
the tiny stationary white dots!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)

Those tiny white dots are hauling ass!   ;)

They are merely stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites for the globe deception.  ;D
Triangulation from dish angles puts those " ;D stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites  ;D" at the right altitude to be in geosynchronous orbit.

Quote from: Wikipedia
A geostationary equatorial orbit (GEO) is a circular geosynchronous orbit in the plane of the Earth's equator with a radius of approximately 42,164 km (26,199 mi) (measured from the center of the Earth). A satellite in such an orbit is at an altitude of approximately 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above mean sea level.
;D So you are guessing that there are blimps at an altitude of 35,786 km!  ;D not much air there!
Still any old bit of guesswork to stop the flat earthers from thinking.

I have noticed a few of your other posts and you seem to be dragging out all the old ideas that have been answered dozens of times.
You must have just graduated from the "Flat Earther Indoctrination Course 101"!
Maybe you should wait till you get through the third level before making serious posts.

See if this post means anything to you
OK, here it is - your proof that satellite dishes are point at the same object. I am using towns at the 97 longitude to make this a 2D trigonometric problem:
You'll need to go and look at it.

Obviously you need to do more research into HAPS "High altitude platform station" blimps that reach 50Km. As someone that studied Aerospace Engineering nearly 10 years ago I will provide a little lesson of how things really work. ;D

HAPS offer all the same data transmission capabilites of "satellites," are routinely positioned 20-50Km, AND have outrageous benefits:
- They are orders of magnitude cheaper
- They can be landed for repairs and upgrades
-  rapidly deployable and replaceable without launch platforms 

Now think about those practical benefits for a moment...  You really think that Government agencies and corporations have been blowing $50-500 million a pop on 2,271 fragile, impractical, non-upgradable satellites? haha

Quite the opposite. For about $200K a HAPS blimp you can have 2,271 blimp "satelite" platforms deployed for only $454,200,000. Less then the price of a single staged $500 million shuttle launch! Think about the magnitude of that and the money laundry opportunities of such a scam.

BTW take a good look at these two articles and the conflicting stories.  One claims that Google will use 180 satellites to provide free internet while the other claims they will use HAPS platforms. Very interesting isn't it?  ;D

"Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) supports the idea of the FCC authorizing resources for the study of broadband delivered from high-altitude platform stations (HAPS), which are 20 to 50 kilometers above ground." (hmm satellite dishs aimed at 35km objects would work with this right? lol)

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/google-pushes-fcc-study-high-altitude-platform-stations-broadband-services/2015-05-20
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2646039/Googles-plans-world-domination-Search-giant-launch-180-satellites-bring-internet-access-ENTIRE-planet.html
Many things are theoretically possible. So what? Theoretically, you can build a tower for every Dish TV. So what?

Did you actually read and comprehend what the article says? "Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) supports the idea of the FCC authorizing resources for the study of broadband delivered from high-altitude platform stations (HAPS), which are 20 to 50 kilometers above ground." So they are LOOKING into STUDYING the HAPS. This does not say they actually used them. Considering you have 10 yrs of engineering, you should comprehend what you read a bit better.

We (REers) are interested in what really happens (reality - the real world, not the fantasy FE world). Companies are looking to save money all the time. If these were possible and practical, they would do it - especially if it would reduce their costs by billions of dollars. Even NASA started using reusable shuttles instead of plain rockets to reduce costs. They would not be doing this to "prove" a FE.

Regardless now-a-days, TV Dishes are using SATELLITES - specifically geostationary ones 35,000+ km above sea-level. Bye Bye FE FANTASY.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 09:16:10 AM
No, of course not.  Instead all the world's major governments and coporations are involved in a massive conspiracy involving millions of people across decades and involving hundreds of billions of dollars spent.  They are all in fact using 10s of thousands of invisible blimps whilst pretending to use satellites.  Why do they do this?  Well, reasons.

Politicians and world leaders from around the world have been conspiring at annual Bilderberg, Davos, and Bohemian Grove meetings for decades.  So your conspiracy dismal is without actual merit.  Also hundreds of billions shared among millions of people works out to spoils in the hundreds of thousands.  Many people would gladly make harmless PR lies about satellites for an extra hundreds of thousand in their bank account. 
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2016, 09:27:12 AM
Also hundreds of billions shared among millions of people works out to spoils in the hundreds of thousands.  Many people would gladly make harmless PR lies about satellites for an extra hundreds of thousand in their bank account.
Without a single whistleblower?  LOL.  The conspiracy idea is ludicrous....what the fuck is the point of it?   

Do you have a single shred of evidence to support your conspiracy speculation?


And where the fuck are these thousands of blimps?   Why can't anyone see them floating about?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 10:15:15 AM
the tiny stationary white dots!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)

Those tiny white dots are hauling ass!   ;)

They are merely stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites for the globe deception.  ;D
Triangulation from dish angles puts those " ;D stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites  ;D" at the right altitude to be in geosynchronous orbit.

Quote from: Wikipedia
A geostationary equatorial orbit (GEO) is a circular geosynchronous orbit in the plane of the Earth's equator with a radius of approximately 42,164 km (26,199 mi) (measured from the center of the Earth). A satellite in such an orbit is at an altitude of approximately 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above mean sea level.
;D So you are guessing that there are blimps at an altitude of 35,786 km!  ;D not much air there!
Still any old bit of guesswork to stop the flat earthers from thinking.

I have noticed a few of your other posts and you seem to be dragging out all the old ideas that have been answered dozens of times.
You must have just graduated from the "Flat Earther Indoctrination Course 101"!
Maybe you should wait till you get through the third level before making serious posts.

See if this post means anything to you
OK, here it is - your proof that satellite dishes are point at the same object. I am using towns at the 97 longitude to make this a 2D trigonometric problem:
You'll need to go and look at it.

Obviously you need to do more research into HAPS "High altitude platform station" blimps that reach 50Km. As someone that studied Aerospace Engineering nearly 10 years ago I will provide a little lesson of how things really work. ;D

HAPS offer all the same data transmission capabilites of "satellites," are routinely positioned 20-50Km, AND have outrageous benefits:
- They are orders of magnitude cheaper
- They can be landed for repairs and upgrades
-  rapidly deployable and replaceable without launch platforms 

Now think about those practical benefits for a moment...  You really think that Government agencies and corporations have been blowing $50-500 million a pop on 2,271 fragile, impractical, non-upgradable satellites? haha

Quite the opposite. For about $200K a HAPS blimp you can have 2,271 blimp "satelite" platforms deployed for only $454,200,000. Less then the price of a single staged $500 million shuttle launch! Think about the magnitude of that and the money laundry opportunities of such a scam.

BTW take a good look at these two articles and the conflicting stories.  One claims that Google will use 180 satellites to provide free internet while the other claims they will use HAPS platforms. Very interesting isn't it?  ;D

"Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) supports the idea of the FCC authorizing resources for the study of broadband delivered from high-altitude platform stations (HAPS), which are 20 to 50 kilometers above ground." (hmm satellite dishs aimed at 35km objects would work with this right? lol)

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/google-pushes-fcc-study-high-altitude-platform-stations-broadband-services/2015-05-20
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2646039/Googles-plans-world-domination-Search-giant-launch-180-satellites-bring-internet-access-ENTIRE-planet.html
Many things are theoretically possible. So what? Theoretically, you can build a tower for every Dish TV. So what?

Did you actually read and comprehend what the article says? "Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) supports the idea of the FCC authorizing resources for the study of broadband delivered from high-altitude platform stations (HAPS), which are 20 to 50 kilometers above ground." So they are LOOKING into STUDYING the HAPS. This does not say they actually used them. Considering you have 10 yrs of engineering, you should comprehend what you read a bit better.

We (REers) are interested in what really happens (reality - the real world, not the fantasy FE world). Companies are looking to save money all the time. If these were possible and practical, they would do it - especially if it would reduce their costs by billions of dollars. Even NASA started using reusable shuttles instead of plain rockets to reduce costs. They would not be doing this to "prove" a FE.

Regardless now-a-days, TV Dishes are using SATELLITES - specifically geostationary ones 35,000+ km above sea-level. Bye Bye FE FANTASY.

It shows that LEO satellites are completely unnecessary thanks to high altitude airship technology that has been around for decades before Arthur C. Clark introduced satellites as a Science Fiction concept.

Google knows HAPS work and are filing the paperwork with the FCC to use them. That certainly points to plans to use them.

So lets be clear you actually believe there is a Galaxy 19 satellite at a low earth orbit of 42 Km since 2008?  Do you realize the Karman space line and effects of gravity reach up to 100km?  Either Galaxy 19 magically has enough fuel for 8 years of constant thrust to fly with or it floats on hot air like a blimp. haha
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: frenat on July 09, 2016, 10:21:16 AM
Galaxy 19 is in geostationary orbit above 35,700 KM. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_19
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33376


do you have a reference for you claim that it is only at 42 km?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Jadyyn on July 09, 2016, 10:29:37 AM
the tiny stationary white dots!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)

Those tiny white dots are hauling ass!   ;)

They are merely stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites for the globe deception.  ;D
Triangulation from dish angles puts those " ;D stationary blimps that function as geosynchronous satellites  ;D" at the right altitude to be in geosynchronous orbit.

Quote from: Wikipedia
A geostationary equatorial orbit (GEO) is a circular geosynchronous orbit in the plane of the Earth's equator with a radius of approximately 42,164 km (26,199 mi) (measured from the center of the Earth). A satellite in such an orbit is at an altitude of approximately 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above mean sea level.
;D So you are guessing that there are blimps at an altitude of 35,786 km!  ;D not much air there!
Still any old bit of guesswork to stop the flat earthers from thinking.

I have noticed a few of your other posts and you seem to be dragging out all the old ideas that have been answered dozens of times.
You must have just graduated from the "Flat Earther Indoctrination Course 101"!
Maybe you should wait till you get through the third level before making serious posts.

See if this post means anything to you
OK, here it is - your proof that satellite dishes are point at the same object. I am using towns at the 97 longitude to make this a 2D trigonometric problem:
You'll need to go and look at it.

Obviously you need to do more research into HAPS "High altitude platform station" blimps that reach 50Km. As someone that studied Aerospace Engineering nearly 10 years ago I will provide a little lesson of how things really work. ;D

HAPS offer all the same data transmission capabilites of "satellites," are routinely positioned 20-50Km, AND have outrageous benefits:
- They are orders of magnitude cheaper
- They can be landed for repairs and upgrades
-  rapidly deployable and replaceable without launch platforms 

Now think about those practical benefits for a moment...  You really think that Government agencies and corporations have been blowing $50-500 million a pop on 2,271 fragile, impractical, non-upgradable satellites? haha

Quite the opposite. For about $200K a HAPS blimp you can have 2,271 blimp "satelite" platforms deployed for only $454,200,000. Less then the price of a single staged $500 million shuttle launch! Think about the magnitude of that and the money laundry opportunities of such a scam.

BTW take a good look at these two articles and the conflicting stories.  One claims that Google will use 180 satellites to provide free internet while the other claims they will use HAPS platforms. Very interesting isn't it?  ;D

"Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) supports the idea of the FCC authorizing resources for the study of broadband delivered from high-altitude platform stations (HAPS), which are 20 to 50 kilometers above ground." (hmm satellite dishs aimed at 35km objects would work with this right? lol)

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/google-pushes-fcc-study-high-altitude-platform-stations-broadband-services/2015-05-20
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2646039/Googles-plans-world-domination-Search-giant-launch-180-satellites-bring-internet-access-ENTIRE-planet.html
Many things are theoretically possible. So what? Theoretically, you can build a tower for every Dish TV. So what?

Did you actually read and comprehend what the article says? "Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) supports the idea of the FCC authorizing resources for the study of broadband delivered from high-altitude platform stations (HAPS), which are 20 to 50 kilometers above ground." So they are LOOKING into STUDYING the HAPS. This does not say they actually used them. Considering you have 10 yrs of engineering, you should comprehend what you read a bit better.

We (REers) are interested in what really happens (reality - the real world, not the fantasy FE world). Companies are looking to save money all the time. If these were possible and practical, they would do it - especially if it would reduce their costs by billions of dollars. Even NASA started using reusable shuttles instead of plain rockets to reduce costs. They would not be doing this to "prove" a FE.

Regardless now-a-days, TV Dishes are using SATELLITES - specifically geostationary ones 35,000+ km above sea-level. Bye Bye FE FANTASY.

It shows that LEO satellites are completely unnecessary thanks to high altitude airship technology that has been around for decades before Arthur C. Clark introduced satellites as a Science Fiction concept.

Google knows HAPS work and are filing the paperwork with the FCC to use them. That certainly points to plans to use them.

So lets be clear you actually believe there is a Galaxy 19 satellite at a low earth orbit of 42 Km since 2008?  Do you realize the Karman space line and effects of gravity reach up to 100km?  Either Galaxy 19 magically has enough fuel for 8 years of constant thrust to fly with or it floats on hot air like a blimp. haha
Yes, many THEORETICAL concepts have been around. Right...

As you say, if Google is only now filing for this, what have we been using for Dish TV for many years and are using TODAY?

Concerning the Galaxy 19 satellite, yes. It only needs to make minor corrections because it is in a near vacuum in orbit. It does not need thrust. There is no air 42,000 km up.

So you just studied engineering 10 years ago. Did you understand it? Considering your lack of grasp of simple subjects like this, it doesn't sound like it went anywhere.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Jadyyn on July 09, 2016, 10:41:32 AM
Galaxy 19 is in geostationary orbit above 35,700 KM. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_19
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33376

do you have a reference for you claim that it is only at 42 km?
No, I used software that Dish TV installers use for the angles and derived the 42,000+ km (from the Earth's center) using high school trigonometry.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: frenat on July 09, 2016, 10:51:05 AM
Galaxy 19 is in geostationary orbit above 35,700 KM. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_19
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33376

do you have a reference for you claim that it is only at 42 km?
No, I used software that Dish TV installers use for the angles and derived the 42,000+ km (from the Earth's center) using high school trigonometry.
My post was directed at Thanos who claimed only 42 km and not 42,000 km
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 11:00:32 AM
Also hundreds of billions shared among millions of people works out to spoils in the hundreds of thousands.  Many people would gladly make harmless PR lies about satellites for an extra hundreds of thousand in their bank account.
Without a single whistleblower?  LOL.  The conspiracy idea is ludicrous....what the fuck is the point of it?   

Do you have a single shred of evidence to support your conspiracy speculation?


And where the fuck are these thousands of blimps?   Why can't anyone see them floating about?

Whistle-blowers lose their jobs, retirement pension funds, and even prison time for revealing classified information.  So why would a whistleblower give up everything they have just to expose a simple lie that LEO satellites are actually HAPS blimps?

Do you have a single shred of evidence of LEO satellites in orbits below the space boundry line at 100km well under the constant pull of gravity for 10-15 years of operation?  Or do you just take the science fiction fantasy at face value? My Lighter-then air HAPS blimps can float indefinitely against gravity without fuel consumption, but your satellites need constant thrust to "fly" in a geosynchronous orbit for years.  Therefore my theory of HAPS blimps is actually physically possible while your satellites fantasy is totally impossible. It really is that simple. ;D

People do see the HAPS blimps floating about as the little dots 35+km away from them in the sky.  Your imaginary satellites were never there flying at 35km within the Stratosphere to begin with.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 11:07:20 AM
Galaxy 19 is in geostationary orbit above 35,700 KM. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_19
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33376


do you have a reference for you claim that it is only at 42 km?

35.7 or 42km it makes no difference.  You miss the actual point. Under 100km orbits are well within the pull of GRAVITY.  A satellite system would instantly "glide" like a rock unless it was a lighter then air airship platform. It is that simple.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2016, 11:32:03 AM
Whistle-blowers lose their jobs, retirement pension funds, and even prison time for revealing classified information.
Classified?  What the fuck are you on about?

Quote
Do you have a single shred of evidence of LEO satellites in orbits below the space boundry line at 100km well under the constant pull of gravity for 10-15 years of operation?
No. Why would I?  Who has made a claim that such a thing has happened?

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  Or do you just take the science fiction fantasy at face value? My Lighter-then air HAPS blimps can float indefinitely against gravity without fuel consumption,
Wow, magic invisible blimps.

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People do see the HAPS blimps floating about as the little dots 35+km away from them in the sky. 
Evidence?  I decent telephoto lens will get you a very clear picture of it.

The International Space Station is 400km up, and people take excellent photos of it every day:

(http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/kk09/o090429a4.jpg)
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: frenat on July 09, 2016, 11:32:31 AM
Galaxy 19 is in geostationary orbit above 35,700 KM. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_19
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33376


do you have a reference for you claim that it is only at 42 km?

35.7 or 42km it makes no difference.  You miss the actual point. Under 100km orbits are well within the pull of GRAVITY.  A satellite system would instantly "glide" like a rock unless it was a lighter then air airship platform. It is that simple.
that is 35 THOUSAND 700 km.  Are you unable to read?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 09, 2016, 11:34:23 AM
I suspect he's trolling.  He's putting some small amount of effort in though, so I'll play along.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Woody on July 09, 2016, 11:43:02 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJZREDwfAZR02s/giphy.gif)

I posted this again, because FE's seem to not understand the significance of it.

Those are lights in the sky that appear to remain stationary.

Those lights are there all year long day after day.

Those lights have never been documented to exist until when we are told rockets put a satellite in orbit.

Those lights are where satellite dishes are pointed.

Those lights transmit radio signals.

Here is a list of satellites FE's can track if they want:

http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?page_id=29535

With the proper equipment and math things like velocity and distance can be determined.  Getting the equipment needed should be with-in the means of most people with the desire and will to do so.  People do it for fun and learning. Certainly at least one or two people would do it who are trying to prove a massive lie like the shape of the Earth.

Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
Galaxy 19 is in geostationary orbit above 35,700 KM. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_19
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33376


do you have a reference for you claim that it is only at 42 km?

35.7 or 42km it makes no difference.  You miss the actual point. Under 100km orbits are well within the pull of GRAVITY.  A satellite system would instantly "glide" like a rock unless it was a lighter then air airship platform. It is that simple.
that is 35 THOUSAND 700 km.  Are you unable to read?

Nothing gets above the 100Km ceiling not even rockets.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: frenat on July 09, 2016, 12:18:37 PM
Galaxy 19 is in geostationary orbit above 35,700 KM. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_19
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=33376


do you have a reference for you claim that it is only at 42 km?

35.7 or 42km it makes no difference.  You miss the actual point. Under 100km orbits are well within the pull of GRAVITY.  A satellite system would instantly "glide" like a rock unless it was a lighter then air airship platform. It is that simple.
that is 35 THOUSAND 700 km.  Are you unable to read?

Nothing gets above the 100Km ceiling not even rockets.
The fact that you can see the ISS and other satellites and calculate their altitudes well above that says otherwise.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Papa Legba on July 09, 2016, 12:35:52 PM
Nobody believes you 'frenat'.

Because this:

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=269.0

Yup; you & Heiwa been doing the same circular disinfo-waltz for three and a half fucking years...

lol busted.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 12:43:17 PM
virtual azimuth and elevation numbers are assigned to mask the land based towers

As for the ISS it is a simple hologram projection. Darpa has had the high altitude hologram technology since the 70s.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: frenat on July 09, 2016, 12:48:06 PM
Nobody believes you 'frenat'.

Because this:

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=269.0

Yup; you & Heiwa been doing the same circular disinfo-waltz for three and a half fucking years...

lol busted.
Yeah, you busted me.   ::)  I was a regular on a forum that heiwa trolled his fraud on.  How is that a crime again?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Papa Legba on July 09, 2016, 12:53:35 PM
It's evidence of collusion, dickhead.

Just like you following each other here to do the same shit is.

And just like you being a member of JREF is evidence of you being a homosexual paedophile.

Which we knew already.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: frenat on July 09, 2016, 01:00:27 PM
It's evidence of collusion, dickhead.
Nope.  Just evidence that he trolled the same shit then that he does now. 
Just like you following each other here to do the same shit is.

And just like you being a member of JREF is evidence of you being a homosexual paedophile.

Which we knew already.
How does being a member of a discussion board to read and post about astronomy and related topics make one a homosexual pedophile exactly?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Jadyyn on July 09, 2016, 05:51:45 PM
virtual azimuth and elevation numbers are assigned to mask the land based towers

As for the ISS it is a simple hologram projection. Darpa has had the high altitude hologram technology since the 70s.
See, this is why the FE debate tactic of letting arguments just "roll off" is so bad. Many of these types of arguments have already been covered but here we go again...

I have even brought up this topic months ago here: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65080.msg1736930#msg1736930

Please, by all means, explain how:

1) The position of the ISS, that is calculated beforehand so people with telescopes can travel to where it will transit the Sun, is fake. They actually set up equipment and do take pictures. BTW, (1) the image actually has the shuttle docking with the ISS, just like it was supposed to and (2) there are also pictures of it against the Moon as well (calculated beforehand).
2) Exactly how does a hologram work against the Sun? Please provide some evidence of this ludicrous claim. This is why I started that thread in the first place.
3) Using basic high school mathematics, we can (and I did) demonstrate the altitude of the ISS based on the telescope picture (and there are several more you can find). If you know some math, you can calculate it as well.

So, FEers are just making up stuff - as usual. REers have photographic, repeatable, measurable, verifiable proof/evidence. FEers only have "maybe", "if", invisible objects, theoretically possible (?) hopes/beliefs (i.e. religion) with no demonstrable, verifiable evidence something is ACTUALLY being done. The FE concept is just a fantasy/religion for believers, and an underdog debate topic for non-believers.

As I keep saying, amateur astronomy (visual/photographic) supports/proves or falsifies/disproves/destroys/annihilates all Earth models.

Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 10:46:44 PM
It's evidence of collusion, dickhead.

Just like you following each other here to do the same shit is.

And just like you being a member of JREF is evidence of you being a homosexual paedophile.

Which we knew already.

Dude that language is very much uncalled for.

Also explain how James Randy, and all his JREF followers, qualify as "pedophiles" which is quite a serious personal accusation.  James Randy has a consensual relationship with a full grown adult.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 09, 2016, 11:09:21 PM
virtual azimuth and elevation numbers are assigned to mask the land based towers

As for the ISS it is a simple hologram projection. Darpa has had the high altitude hologram technology since the 70s.
See, this is why the FE debate tactic of letting arguments just "roll off" is so bad. Many of these types of arguments have already been covered but here we go again...

I have even brought up this topic months ago here: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65080.msg1736930#msg1736930

Please, by all means, explain how:

1) The position of the ISS, that is calculated beforehand so people with telescopes can travel to where it will transit the Sun, is fake. They actually set up equipment and do take pictures. BTW, (1) the image actually has the shuttle docking with the ISS, just like it was supposed to and (2) there are also pictures of it against the Moon as well (calculated beforehand).
2) Exactly how does a hologram work against the Sun? Please provide some evidence of this ludicrous claim. This is why I started that thread in the first place.
3) Using basic high school mathematics, we can (and I did) demonstrate the altitude of the ISS based on the telescope picture (and there are several more you can find). If you know some math, you can calculate it as well.

So, FEers are just making up stuff - as usual. REers have photographic, repeatable, measurable, verifiable proof/evidence. FEers only have "maybe", "if", invisible objects, theoretically possible (?) hopes/beliefs (i.e. religion) with no demonstrable, verifiable evidence something is ACTUALLY being done. The FE concept is just a fantasy/religion for believers, and an underdog debate topic for non-believers.

As I keep saying, amateur astronomy (visual/photographic) supports/proves or falsifies/disproves/destroys/annihilates all Earth models.

For starters the image of the ISIS over the sun and moon look very CG.  The "docking shuttle" that you mention is merely an indiscernible mass of black 7x10 pixels.  So no its not solid photographic evidence at all.

If the ISS is just a holographic projection system then obviously they can steer the holographic ISS where ever they want and provide the viewer calculations.  The whole point of having a holographic projection would be for it to be seen.



 
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 10, 2016, 02:38:31 AM
If the ISS is just a holographic projection system then obviously they can steer the holographic ISS where ever they want and provide the viewer calculations. 
Have you any evidence of this wild claim?  Any evidence that such technology is even possible?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: rabinoz on July 10, 2016, 05:36:16 AM
virtual azimuth and elevation numbers are assigned to mask the land based towers

As for the ISS it is a simple hologram projection. Darpa has had the high altitude hologram technology since the 70s.
Provide some evidence other than your guesswork for "As for the ISS it is a simple hologram projection."!

I find it strange how these "land based towers" know
to hide any navigation satellites in the western sky when I am on the east side of my house and vice versa,
to hide all but the few in the sky out the small plane window when I am flying in a commercial passenger plane,
to hide those behind and to the left of the Cessna when I am in the right-hand front seat.
;D They must be real smart little towers to know exactly what is shielding my GPS for THE SKY!  ;D
I also wonder where all these thousands of "land based towers" were so that I was able to receive GPS signals all over inland Australia and over the Pacific hundreds of kilometres from even small islands!

In other words, your guesswork is just plain rubbish.

But, what I would like to know is why you insist on rehashing stuff that has been presented many times before.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Jadyyn on July 10, 2016, 08:51:26 AM
Thanos, let me take you through this one step at a time...

1) There is software that you can see where and when the ISS is near your location (latitude and longitude). Google it.
2) The ISS is in orbit at an inclination of 51.6 (https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-ISS-at-51-6-degrees-orbital-inclination)
3) The Sun's inclination is 23.5.
4) The Moon's inclination is 28.58.
5) Therefore, every now and then the ISS will transit the Sun and Moon.
6) We have cameras and telescopes (with solar filters).
7) We can and do take pictures of the Sun and Moon.
8 ) We can and do travel to places on Earth where the ISS will transit the Sun and Moon.
9) Are you suggesting we can't take a picture of it transiting the Sun or Moon?

Why not?
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Thanos on July 10, 2016, 02:48:48 PM
Thanos, let me take you through this one step at a time...

1) There is software that you can see where and when the ISS is near your location (latitude and longitude). Google it.
2) The ISS is in orbit at an inclination of 51.6 (https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-ISS-at-51-6-degrees-orbital-inclination)
3) The Sun's inclination is 23.5.
4) The Moon's inclination is 28.58.
5) Therefore, every now and then the ISS will transit the Sun and Moon.
6) We have cameras and telescopes (with solar filters).
7) We can and do take pictures of the Sun and Moon.
8 ) We can and do travel to places on Earth where the ISS will transit the Sun and Moon.
9) Are you suggesting we can't take a picture of it transiting the Sun or Moon?

Why not?

Your ISS sun and moon photos are fake CG. It's no different then how they broadcast fake videos inside the ISS from a studio.  I get it though you will believe any of the Hollywood star magic that comes from the high priests of NASA.
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: rabinoz on July 10, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
Thanos, let me take you through this one step at a time...

1) There is software that you can see where and when the ISS is near your location (latitude and longitude). Google it.
2) The ISS is in orbit at an inclination of 51.6 (https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-ISS-at-51-6-degrees-orbital-inclination)
3) The Sun's inclination is 23.5.
4) The Moon's inclination is 28.58.
5) Therefore, every now and then the ISS will transit the Sun and Moon.
6) We have cameras and telescopes (with solar filters).
7) We can and do take pictures of the Sun and Moon.
8 ) We can and do travel to places on Earth where the ISS will transit the Sun and Moon.
9) Are you suggesting we can't take a picture of it transiting the Sun or Moon?

Why not?

Your ISS sun and moon photos are fake CG. It's no different then how they broadcast fake videos inside the ISS from a studio.  I get it though you will believe any of the Hollywood star magic that comes from the high priests of NASA.
(http://)

YOU claim all this and THAT proves it?

That's about as convincing as Space Cowgirl's "I looked out the window".
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Jadyyn on July 11, 2016, 06:48:02 AM
Thanos, let me take you through this one step at a time...

1) There is software that you can see where and when the ISS is near your location (latitude and longitude). Google it.
2) The ISS is in orbit at an inclination of 51.6 (https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-ISS-at-51-6-degrees-orbital-inclination)
3) The Sun's inclination is 23.5.
4) The Moon's inclination is 28.58.
5) Therefore, every now and then the ISS will transit the Sun and Moon.
6) We have cameras and telescopes (with solar filters).
7) We can and do take pictures of the Sun and Moon.
8 ) We can and do travel to places on Earth where the ISS will transit the Sun and Moon.
9) Are you suggesting we can't take a picture of it transiting the Sun or Moon?

Why not?
Your ISS sun and moon photos are fake CG. It's no different then how they broadcast fake videos inside the ISS from a studio.  I get it though you will believe any of the Hollywood star magic that comes from the high priests of NASA.

As I asked before, if you think they are fake, what do real ones look like? Is taking pictures of the Sun and Moon impossible on a FE? I guess so...

So I took you step by step but no go... Obviously you have no logic and never have seen or used cameras or telescopes. "lalala" leave me alone in my FE fantasy world... I don't believe in the real world... "lalala"... Got it...
Title: Re: Interesting vid on angular momentum in space
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 31, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
I used software that Dish TV installers use for the angles and derived the 42,000+ km (from the Earth's center) using high school trigonometry.


When I installed my bootleg DIRECTV system, (years ago, before they made it unhackable), all I had to do was jostle the dish around until the TV whistled the loudest.

No math involved.

How do you derive the 42,000+ km (from the Earth's center) using high school trigonometry from one observation point?

I think you are full of shit.