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Title: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 22, 2016, 04:21:42 PM
Thought we could dicuss a different conspiracy theory here for a change.

What are your opinions on 9/11, what evidence led you to that opinion?

Also what are your thoughts on FET as a psyop to discredit all conspiracy theories? Such as 9/11 and Diana's death

I'll post more this afternoon when I have more time.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Blue_Moon on June 22, 2016, 04:30:56 PM
If 9/11 was an inside job, why the Twin Towers, and why both of them?  Why also fly into the Pentagon?  Surely they didn't need to cause quite that much death and destruction to achieve the same result?  I can understand terrorists doing it, because they would want to cause as much death and destruction as possible, but I can't see it being conceived by Americans to kill their own. 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 22, 2016, 04:33:17 PM
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers. 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 22, 2016, 04:34:59 PM
If 9/11 was an inside job, why the Twin Towers, and why both of them?  Why also fly into the Pentagon?  Surely they didn't need to cause quite that much death and destruction to achieve the same result?  I can understand terrorists doing it, because they would want to cause as much death and destruction as possible, but I can't see it being conceived by Americans to kill their own.

Agreed, I don't like to believe it either. It's like that scene from V for Vendetta "what if it was our government."

Fair point on the unnecessary death.

Have you seen the video of the Pentagon explosion? Or the third tower falling at free fall speed?

Just curious as to peoples beliefs there are a lot of intelligent free thinkers here.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 22, 2016, 04:36:00 PM
I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.

Exactly.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 22, 2016, 05:23:06 PM
I could name rediculous amounts of inconsistencies in this story. However that is the last thing the internet needs is another 9/11 thread.

Also judging from another country is difficult to truly understand what was accomplished with these actions.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 22, 2016, 05:27:23 PM
Agreed, what's your opinion on it tho?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: John Davis on June 22, 2016, 05:42:34 PM
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.
I have to agree, we don't have anywhere near enough notability for this to be the case, even with two celebrities pushing our cause very very often.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: John Davis on June 22, 2016, 05:43:05 PM
I've been called Illuminati several times in fact. I find it quite funny.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 22, 2016, 05:46:46 PM
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.
I have to agree, we don't have anywhere near enough notability for this to be the case, even with two celebrities pushing our cause very very often.

What's your opinion on the 9/11 event John?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 22, 2016, 06:08:20 PM
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.
I have to agree, we don't have anywhere near enough notability for this to be the case, even with two celebrities pushing our cause very very often.

John check out Dr Karl on triple J (Australian national radio) they do a science hour every week on thursdays.

The last month FET has been mentioned in that science hour. That's a lot of exposure all over Australia.

The podcasts are available online.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on June 22, 2016, 07:16:12 PM
"9/11 in plane sight" is a good place to start. What convinced me about 9/11 was the first responders' comments about bombs going off in the towers.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Pangea on June 22, 2016, 07:31:33 PM
I saw a youtube video, and was convinced it never actually happened.

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 22, 2016, 07:44:52 PM
I saw a youtube video, and was convinced it never actually happened.

Please elaborate.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Pangea on June 22, 2016, 07:52:36 PM
I saw a youtube video, and was convinced it never actually happened.

Please elaborate.

Sarcasm font here? I just use Italics if I can't figure out the protocol on a new forum.

I was making the assumption that most of the FE ers saw some youtube video and also at the same time, didn't do very well in math/science class, and that's why they are so confused.

Kind of like the 9/11 theorists.

9/11 HAPPENED.
WAS a terrorist attack.

Earth is STILL a sphere.


But, that's none of my business

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 22, 2016, 07:56:37 PM
Thanks for your opinion.

Please dont spam my thread with your assertions without evidence.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 22, 2016, 10:54:42 PM
Agreed, what's your opinion on it tho?

I think we watched 3 controlled demolitions. No building in history has ever fallen like that rather it's a failed demolition, severe building fire or structural failure. So let's say a miracle happens and one building some how falls as such....I would still have a problem with it. However 3 ..the exact same way?? Especially building 7?? Come on you don't need a doctorate to see this.

I was on a panel of specialist until 2010 when I realized most people's opinions were made no matter what they heard and stopped wasting my time. I was part of a group attempting to buy pieces of the remaining steel with no avail. Though I have performed numerous metallurgical surveys, studies and reports on exact quoted specifications of the steel. This was a huge part of my life years ago, I have never in my life came across more PhD 's and amazingly intelligent people in a non mainstream sect ever. I was just one of a plethora all working together in their different fields of specialities, and the last year I went to emi I was told the group is even bigger now. If there is anything that should be given a chance that isn't mainstream , this would be it. If you only want facts and science instead of opinions.

Just the facts of the figures on the steel and fuel best given was bogus. Finally "official" people started to agree plausible temps were not high enough to melt the steel but weaken it. Ok cool, steel starts to get weaker on a technical level every degree raised. However the said 60 percent?? More like 9 percent , especially when you take in account beam length , thickness, and heat distribution which is always just "glanced" over.

The flash point of said fuel is way too high. This is the point of 120+ fuel to reduce premature detonation. Spray alcohol on your hand and light it to understand the point.

Fact the buildings were a loss being 70 percent un occupied until directly before Silverstein bought them. Went to almost compacity , and insured for full market value not even a year before the incident, and major changes was made to the lease so Silverstein could maintain control of the land in case an incident happened 6 weeks prior. All this on buildings that were a loss for a decade before this, and needed major renovations including health related issues (example asbestos). Sure there was heavy foot traffic at the doors, but that was for the major subway entrance below. These "mysterious" companies that conveniently appeared to occupy the buildings were hollow skeleton companies, two of which had roles in the tower inspection and future clean up. Yet some how these skeleton companies managed to employ 1000s of people with no proof as such. It highly points to the possibility the majority of the true loss of life is the first responders at the scene which angers me further as they were attempting to save lives for no purpose.

Mass of interior items...actually stopping here I could literally rattle on for 200 pages without stating a single opinion. That is what is so damning about this, you need not opinions to see there is something seriously a mis.

Too many coincidences, too many things to gain from the entire 9 11 incident. Too many future laws passed, freedoms lost (always warned safety is the number one disguise to remove freedom), war crimes committed in the name of safety, too many trillions of dollars missing that the evidence was "blown up", money made ect ect.

To much to account for, I don't believe in coincidences, and I certainly don't believe in 100s working together in perfect harmony.

However as I said you need not opinions, just the facts. Some of these facts i was able to confirm personally without having to rely on others. Or you can even just use your eyes, watch 3 buildings fall perfectly and tell me it's right. Isn't this what this site is about using visual observations and nothing else?

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: GlaringEye on June 22, 2016, 11:25:07 PM
As an outsider (I don't live anywhere near the United States) what I saw, and I saw it live, was completely believable. The fall of the towers didn't seem suspicious at all. The shock from the collision could remove the thermal protection of the steel frame and weaken it; the plane's aluminium, heated to a really high temperature by the fire, could have reacted with the water. Then when the floors where the impact happened collapsed, the increased weight proved too much and crushed the floors under them.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 23, 2016, 12:06:27 AM
As an outsider (I don't live anywhere near the United States) what I saw, and I saw it live, was completely believable. The fall of the towers didn't seem suspicious at all. The shock from the collision could remove the thermal protection of the steel frame and weaken it; the plane's aluminium, heated to a really high temperature by the fire, could have reacted with the water. Then when the floors where the impact happened collapsed, the increased weight proved too much and crushed the floors under them.

That is completely your opinion and you surely are entitled to it. Just explaining from stuff I can say 100 percent to from my profession, as well as test I specifically performed when working with said group.

Aluminum with portions of magnesium is also a "flash" material for attempting to simplify explanations. Not to mention the amount of fuel present. The more liquid fuel present the less chance of continued fire, or a fire at all in the class of fuel. Especially when confined to a small cubic area.

Fire fighters confirmed at one point the fires were almost contained horrifically before they lost their lives up there

Aluminum/mag cracks and breaks, it's brittle rigid but light. The steel in the towers structure was destined to flex, much less rigid, plus far more mass per cubic inch. Take a piece of aluminum framing and hit a piece of tempered steel with it, you will see the aluminum's reaction (crude simple test). Doesn't matter if you shot it at 500mph (which they were not going that fast anyways) still the same outcome with minimal damage to the steel.

Floor by floor compression is not possible with the design parameters, it's one of those things that make sense until you understand the structure engineering of the building. Assuming you just completely removed a couple floors and dropped the top down  intertia would have never been able to complete such a task with the inside design . It would have been an ugly collapse and 90 percent possibility the lower half would have remain upright (absolutely unstable but upright). Though structural engineering was not my specialty in the group, we all worked together to form the complete report in harmony.

Even ignoring all this, that still does not explain building 7.

I could rattle on for 50 pages about this part of it alone, probably closer to 100. So I have to control myself
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 12:09:22 AM
Agreed, what's your opinion on it tho?

I think we watched 3 controlled demolitions. No building in history has ever fallen like that rather it's a failed demolition, severe building fire or structural failure. So let's say a miracle happens and one building some how falls as such....I would still have a problem with it. However 3 ..the exact same way?? Especially building 7?? Come on you don't need a doctorate to see this.

I was on a panel of specialist until 2010 when I realized most people's opinions were made no matter what they heard and stopped wasting my time. I was part of a group attempting to buy pieces of the remaining steel with no avail. Though I have performed numerous metallurgical surveys, studies and reports on exact quoted specifications of the steel. This was a huge part of my life years ago, I have never in my life came across more PhD 's and amazingly intelligent people in a non mainstream sect ever. I was just one of a plethora all working together in their different fields of specialities, and the last year I went to emi I was told the group is even bigger now. If there is anything that should be given a chance that isn't mainstream , this would be it. If you only want facts and science instead of opinions.

Just the facts of the figures on the steel and fuel best given was bogus. Finally "official" people started to agree plausible temps were not high enough to melt the steel but weaken it. Ok cool, steel starts to get weaker on a technical level every degree raised. However the said 60 percent?? More like 9 percent , especially when you take in account beam length , thickness, and heat distribution which is always just "glanced" over.

The flash point of said fuel is way too high. This is the point of 120+ fuel to reduce premature detonation. Spray alcohol on your hand and light it to understand the point.

Fact the buildings were a loss being 70 percent un occupied until directly before Silverstein bought them. Went to almost compacity , and insured for full market value not even a year before the incident, and major changes was made to the lease so Silverstein could maintain control of the land in case an incident happened 6 weeks prior. All this on buildings that were a loss for a decade before this, and needed major renovations including health related issues (example asbestos). Sure there was heavy foot traffic at the doors, but that was for the major subway entrance below. These "mysterious" companies that conveniently appeared to occupy the buildings were hollow skeleton companies, two of which had roles in the tower inspection and future clean up. Yet some how these skeleton companies managed to employ 1000s of people with no proof as such. It highly points to the possibility the majority of the true loss of life is the first responders at the scene which angers me further as they were attempting to save lives for no purpose.

Mass of interior items...actually stopping here I could literally rattle on for 200 pages without stating a single opinion. That is what is so damning about this, you need not opinions to see there is something seriously a mis.

Too many coincidences, too many things to gain from the entire 9 11 incident. Too many future laws passed, freedoms lost (always warned safety is the number one disguise to remove freedom), war crimes committed in the name of safety, too many trillions of dollars missing that the evidence was "blown up", money made ect ect.

To much to account for, I don't believe in coincidences, and I certainly don't believe in 100s working together in perfect harmony.

However as I said you need not opinions, just the facts. Some of these facts i was able to confirm personally without having to rely on others. Or you can even just use your eyes, watch 3 buildings fall perfectly and tell me it's right. Isn't this what this site is about using visual observations and nothing else?

You're one of the brightest guys I've ever met (no homo lol).

Thanks mate I totally agree with you, we watched three controlled demolitions.

The rights we lost afterwards and Americas wars for geopolitical control only makes it more suspicious.

I appreciate your honesty and opinion, building 7 collapsing was an absolute bad joke imho.

It's really quite scary, My heart goes out to all the victims and I mean no disrespect by starting this thread.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 12:23:43 AM
Building 7



Controlled demolition



Seems legit.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Kami on June 23, 2016, 12:36:03 AM
Well, I do believe that planes flew into the towers and that the towers collapsed.
I am not familiar with the conspiracy theory, but I do not want to believe that someone would deliberately do this to people he swore to protect, not even bush.
So in my case, I tend to believe the official story but I am not able to discuss it due to lack of information and understanding.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 12:37:54 AM
Well, I do believe that planes flew into the towers and that the towers collapsed.

I believe that also.

Quote
I do not want to believe that someone would deliberately do this to people he swore to protect

Neither do I mate, neither do I.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 23, 2016, 12:39:22 AM
Don't forget the accidental report from BBC that building 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it did.

The fact a year later they "lost" all tapes of that though they never have lost footage before (at least no records of such). They always release there sources yet they refused to here. Their official story is they heard it from an American news source (though this source is mysterious since they don't release it), they then recanted their report.

Tell me out of all the towers to "accidentally" choose or be fed bad information from a "magic" news source, even though by that time 100s of cameras were viewing the scene in live time...you happen to pick a building out of the way, that just happened to actually collapse out of no where 20 minutes later. Then the footage is "lost" a year later.

I imagine people that believe that will also send Benny hinn their money to be healed and become rich. Or go see him in person and be pushed over.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 12:44:11 AM
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 23, 2016, 12:49:34 AM
And yes I take this very seriously dispute... it effected my country and the world heavily. Equaled the deaths of people during and millions afterwards. This even was a monster catalyst and justification for so many atrocities, way more than buildings falling or lies.

I dedicated years of my life, countless hours, 150k dollars of resources and all my heart to this group and project when it was happening. I truly believe if the reality sunk in to the American people. Even with how much brain washing has been going on, I really think it would equal a pearl harbor, yet would be a civil revolt against the government.

The impact this had on the world from our actions after the fact, was just as profound as the impact it had to the people of America. I truly despise the leaders of this nation for it.

Kami yes I know.... I would much rather the official story be true as well..believe me. Its much easier... terrorists hate us, they do bad, we do good so they did bad to us because they are mad... that thought process is so much more simple..I didn't want to discover all I did, it truly broke my heart. I knew the government didn't give a rat's ass about its people or the world. But I had no idea it was that bad.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Kami on June 23, 2016, 01:14:31 AM
Babyhighspeed:
I am not naive, terrorists do have their reasons. What they do is unforgivable, but so are many things america (and other countries) have done in the middle east.

But to commit mass murder to your own people just to have a justification to attack others is a whole new level of horrible.

This BBC story does sound confusing, do you have a source of that?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 23, 2016, 01:35:30 AM
Babyhighspeed:
I am not naive, terrorists do have their reasons. What they do is unforgivable, but so are many things america (and other countries) have done in the middle east.

But to commit mass murder to your own people just to have a justification to attack others is a whole new level of horrible.

This BBC story does sound confusing, do you have a source of that?

The official footage is "lost"...there is some remaining footage on youtube with the actual broadcast and the time stamps ect. Also BBC has it directly from them their "official story" of why it happened. I can assure anything with this subject , is one thing that anything I state is a fact unless I specifically present the disclaimer "this is my opinion. "

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html    (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html)

Here is directly from their website where they say alot but say absolutely nothing at the same time. They really just say nuh uh.

 (http://)

Here is the report, thankful to people like my grandparents who would record every major event saying "you never know when you might need yet lol"

I surely did not call you naive, I was attempting to tell you I understand why you don't want to attempt to believe it. I despise it myself.

Also you have to keep in mind it was not war they were after. It was just raw materials and assets..oil... they just had to cause war to get it. I mean, not like a country is going to give us trillions upon trillions of crude oil for free.

Not to mention all at the same time able to pass bills that can turn us into a socialist nation at a drop of a hat. Turn Americans into putty, also destroy the evidence of couple trillion missing dollars the government did whatever with. Not to mention about 20 other things they were able to do with just one event.

In that regards it was a pretty genius plan.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 01:41:02 AM

Also you have to keep in mind it was not war they were after. It was just raw materials and assets..oil... they just had to cause war to get it. I mean, not like a country is going to give us trillions upon trillions of crude oil for free.

Not to mention all at the same time able to pass bills that can turn us into a socialist nation at a drop of a hat. Turn Americans into putty, also destroy the evidence of couple trillion missing dollars the government did whatever with. Not to mention about 20 other things they were able to do with just one event.

In that regards it was a pretty genius plan.

This.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: totallackey on June 23, 2016, 02:27:23 AM
If 9/11 was an inside job, why the Twin Towers, and why both of them?  Why also fly into the Pentagon?  Surely they didn't need to cause quite that much death and destruction to achieve the same result?  I can understand terrorists doing it, because they would want to cause as much death and destruction as possible, but I can't see it being conceived by Americans to kill their own.

Gotta a pic of a plane flying into the Pentagon Copernicus?

"Americans killing their own..." I suggest you go to Chicago this weekend...Or read a book about the Civil War, you stupid fuck...
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: FalseProphet on June 23, 2016, 02:39:57 AM
I don't understand anything about the technical issues. I just don't believe such a conspiracy being possible in the real world. It sounds more like a plot of a hollywood film than something happening in reality.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 04:13:36 AM

Kind of like the 9/11 theorists.

9/11 HAPPENED.
WAS a terrorist attack.

Earth is STILL a sphere.


But, that's none of my business

This is exactly what I mean by the FET psyop.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 23, 2016, 08:35:32 AM

Kind of like the 9/11 theorists.

9/11 HAPPENED.
WAS a terrorist attack.

Earth is STILL a sphere.


But, that's none of my business

This is exactly what I mean by the FET psyop.

Right, except there are many more conspiracy theories with more followers than FET. Who shot JFK? New World Order. Every bombing or mass shooting. The Illuminati. The Freemasons. The Jews control the world/media. It just goes on and on.

Humans are drawn to conspiracy theories. It just seems so obvious that things aren't as they seem!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on June 23, 2016, 09:26:00 AM
If 9/11 was an inside job, why the Twin Towers, and why both of them?  Why also fly into the Pentagon?  Surely they didn't need to cause quite that much death and destruction to achieve the same result?  I can understand terrorists doing it, because they would want to cause as much death and destruction as possible, but I can't see it being conceived by Americans to kill their own.

Gotta a pic of a plane flying into the Pentagon Copernicus?

"Americans killing their own..." I suggest you go to Chicago this weekend...Or read a book about the Civil War, you stupid...

This is why people don't like you. I agree that 9/11 was an inside job but you don't have to name call you dummy. ;)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on June 23, 2016, 09:29:39 AM
Agreed, what's your opinion on it tho?

I think we watched 3 controlled demolitions. No building in history has ever fallen like that rather it's a failed demolition, severe building fire or structural failure. So let's say a miracle happens and one building some how falls as such....I would still have a problem with it. However 3 ..the exact same way?? Especially building 7?? Come on you don't need a doctorate to see this.

I was on a panel of specialist until 2010 when I realized most people's opinions were made no matter what they heard and stopped wasting my time. I was part of a group attempting to buy pieces of the remaining steel with no avail. Though I have performed numerous metallurgical surveys, studies and reports on exact quoted specifications of the steel. This was a huge part of my life years ago, I have never in my life came across more PhD 's and amazingly intelligent people in a non mainstream sect ever. I was just one of a plethora all working together in their different fields of specialities, and the last year I went to emi I was told the group is even bigger now. If there is anything that should be given a chance that isn't mainstream , this would be it. If you only want facts and science instead of opinions.

Just the facts of the figures on the steel and fuel best given was bogus. Finally "official" people started to agree plausible temps were not high enough to melt the steel but weaken it. Ok cool, steel starts to get weaker on a technical level every degree raised. However the said 60 percent?? More like 9 percent , especially when you take in account beam length , thickness, and heat distribution which is always just "glanced" over.

The flash point of said fuel is way too high. This is the point of 120+ fuel to reduce premature detonation. Spray alcohol on your hand and light it to understand the point.

Fact the buildings were a loss being 70 percent un occupied until directly before Silverstein bought them. Went to almost compacity , and insured for full market value not even a year before the incident, and major changes was made to the lease so Silverstein could maintain control of the land in case an incident happened 6 weeks prior. All this on buildings that were a loss for a decade before this, and needed major renovations including health related issues (example asbestos). Sure there was heavy foot traffic at the doors, but that was for the major subway entrance below. These "mysterious" companies that conveniently appeared to occupy the buildings were hollow skeleton companies, two of which had roles in the tower inspection and future clean up. Yet some how these skeleton companies managed to employ 1000s of people with no proof as such. It highly points to the possibility the majority of the true loss of life is the first responders at the scene which angers me further as they were attempting to save lives for no purpose.

Mass of interior items...actually stopping here I could literally rattle on for 200 pages without stating a single opinion. That is what is so damning about this, you need not opinions to see there is something seriously a mis.

Too many coincidences, too many things to gain from the entire 9 11 incident. Too many future laws passed, freedoms lost (always warned safety is the number one disguise to remove freedom), war crimes committed in the name of safety, too many trillions of dollars missing that the evidence was "blown up", money made ect ect.

To much to account for, I don't believe in coincidences, and I certainly don't believe in 100s working together in perfect harmony.

However as I said you need not opinions, just the facts. Some of these facts i was able to confirm personally without having to rely on others. Or you can even just use your eyes, watch 3 buildings fall perfectly and tell me it's right. Isn't this what this site is about using visual observations and nothing else?

You're one of the brightest guys I've ever met (no homo lol).

Thanks mate I totally agree with you, we watched three controlled demolitions.

The rights we lost afterwards and Americas wars for geopolitical control only makes it more suspicious.

I appreciate your honesty and opinion, building 7 collapsing was an absolute bad joke imho.

It's really quite scary, My heart goes out to all the victims and I mean no disrespect by starting this thread.

I never thought of you as one to question 9/11. Learn something new everyday.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 23, 2016, 10:45:25 AM
I didn't vote in the poll, because I don't think it was a false flag, but maybe the official story isn't the whole story.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 23, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
I never thought of you as one to question 9/11. Learn something new everyday.

Neither did I..I was surely surprised he had those views.

I didn't vote in the poll, because I don't think it was a false flag, but maybe the official story isn't the whole story.

That is how I started. I have already spoke about how I ended up and what I put into it. It was like a thread that you kept pulling with no end. Saddened the entire way
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 23, 2016, 11:14:28 AM
I could name rediculous amounts of inconsistencies in this story.

Just ran your mis-spelling of the word 'ridiculous' through the search function...

Got 8 pages of different characters all making the same mistake.

VERY educational...

LOL!!!

See, shills; this is what I'm referring to when I say your sloppy fieldcraft would get you killed IRL.

But meh...

Carry on with your bullshit fake dialectic snore-fest.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 23, 2016, 11:19:12 AM
Scroll on by.... YOU HAVE THE POWER.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 23, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
Yep since I don't proof read my stuff, and that is your only argument EVER. I say good for you. My brain has always sucked at spelling, sorry, you can't have everything. Numbers, logic, problem solving skills ect is my strong suit. I knew when I was a kid I was going to have problems there. Parts of my brain is over develped other parts are a bit lacking (people skills sometimes, over thinking the smallest task, and a few other issues) Also being dyslexic has never helped matters.

So there, now that is out of the way, we should be done with that subject. I am horrible at spelling, and grammar is also not my best friend at times. Quite frankly, if there is only one misspelling in a long post that I did not proof read, I consider good for me.

So now that is out of the way...

Got anything else?

Of course not...anything else from any other alt?

I will wait
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: getrealzommb on June 23, 2016, 11:43:57 AM
Yep since I don't proof read my stuff, and that is your only argument EVER. I say good for you. My brain has always sucked at spelling, sorry, you can't have everything. Numbers, logic, problem solving skills ect is my strong suit. I knew when I was a kid I was going to have problems there. Parts of my brain is over develped other parts are a bit lacking (people skills sometimes, over thinking the smallest task, and a few other issues) Also being dyslexic has never helped matters.

So there, now that is out of the way, we should be done with that subject. I am horrible at spelling, and grammar is also not my best friend at times. Quite frankly, if there is only one misspelling in a long post that I did not proof read, I consider good for me.

So now that is out of the way...

Got anything else?

Of course not...anything else from any other alt?

I will wait

Pardon me but....

Good at everything, especially logical/cognitive things.
Not so good at communication (witch isn't that bad BTW)
Parts of my brain is over developed.
over thinking the smallest task!!!!!!

Please don't take offence....

Were you ever tested for Asperger's? I was shocked to discover I was on the spectrum. The problem is that my childhood predated the discovery so I was almost 30 before I found out.  (I was actually being tested for dyslexia, and the tester noticed a few traits so switched tests)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: frenat on June 23, 2016, 11:56:17 AM
I could name rediculous amounts of inconsistencies in this story.

Just ran your mis-spelling of the word 'ridiculous' through the search function...

Got 8 pages of different characters all making the same mistake.

VERY educational...

LOL!!!

See, shills; this is what I'm referring to when I say your sloppy fieldcraft would get you killed IRL.

But meh...

Carry on with your bullshit fake dialectic snore-fest.
OMG!!  You mean you found that a common misspelling is common!  Stop the presses!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 23, 2016, 12:00:01 PM
Yep since I don't proof read my stuff, and that is your only argument EVER. I say good for you. My brain has always sucked at spelling, sorry, you can't have everything. Numbers, logic, problem solving skills ect is my strong suit. I knew when I was a kid I was going to have problems there. Parts of my brain is over develped other parts are a bit lacking (people skills sometimes, over thinking the smallest task, and a few other issues) Also being dyslexic has never helped matters.

So there, now that is out of the way, we should be done with that subject. I am horrible at spelling, and grammar is also not my best friend at times. Quite frankly, if there is only one misspelling in a long post that I did not proof read, I consider good for me.

So now that is out of the way...

Got anything else?

Of course not...anything else from any other alt?

I will wait

Pardon me but....

Good at everything, especially logical/cognitive things.
Not so good at communication (witch isn't that bad BTW)
Parts of my brain is over developed.
over thinking the smallest task!!!!!!

Please don't take offence....

Were you ever tested for Asperger's? I was shocked to discover I was on the spectrum. The problem is that my childhood predated the discovery so I was almost 30 before I found out.  (I was actually being tested for dyslexia, and the tester noticed a few traits so switched tests)

I actually do not take offense and I find that quite interesting that you suggest this from such a brief description. I have been suggested this as well from a few people whom know me in person. I have considered getting tested and perhaps I should consider it further if someone reading a post of mine suggests it lol. I am only 32 but even in my childhood Asperger's was not super well known by many. They swore up and down of my dyslexia (along with A.D.D. and a type of bio polar manic nonsense) though..perhaps misdiagnosis ?

Also I never said I was good at everything, I am just aware of WHAT I am good at. Tried to keep my life around that, and put myself in situations, career ect that I can use it to full advantage.


Scroll on by.... YOU HAVE THE POWER.

I am listing to you Space Cowgirl, I left him one last message on another thread and I am done feeding the group ;D
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 23, 2016, 12:06:36 PM
What a rediculous person you all are...
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on June 23, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
Scroll on by.... YOU HAVE THE POWER.

But.....so......tempting.....to.....respond.....to.....stupid.....must......resist......AAAARGH!!!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: frenat on June 23, 2016, 12:34:34 PM
What a rediculous person you all are...
Because EVERYONE on the internet who misspells it that way is the same person, right?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: getrealzommb on June 23, 2016, 01:27:15 PM
Yep since I don't proof read my stuff, and that is your only argument EVER. I say good for you. My brain has always sucked at spelling, sorry, you can't have everything. Numbers, logic, problem solving skills ect is my strong suit. I knew when I was a kid I was going to have problems there. Parts of my brain is over develped other parts are a bit lacking (people skills sometimes, over thinking the smallest task, and a few other issues) Also being dyslexic has never helped matters.

So there, now that is out of the way, we should be done with that subject. I am horrible at spelling, and grammar is also not my best friend at times. Quite frankly, if there is only one misspelling in a long post that I did not proof read, I consider good for me.

So now that is out of the way...

Got anything else?

Of course not...anything else from any other alt?

I will wait

Pardon me but....

Good at everything, especially logical/cognitive things.
Not so good at communication (witch isn't that bad BTW)
Parts of my brain is over developed.
over thinking the smallest task!!!!!!

Please don't take offence....

Were you ever tested for Asperger's? I was shocked to discover I was on the spectrum. The problem is that my childhood predated the discovery so I was almost 30 before I found out.  (I was actually being tested for dyslexia, and the tester noticed a few traits so switched tests)

I actually do not take offense and I find that quite interesting that you suggest this from such a brief description. I have been suggested this as well from a few people whom know me in person. I have considered getting tested and perhaps I should consider it further if someone reading a post of mine suggests it lol. I am only 32 but even in my childhood Asperger's was not super well known by many. They swore up and down of my dyslexia (along with A.D.D. and a type of bio polar manic nonsense) though..perhaps misdiagnosis ?

Also I never said I was good at everything, I am just aware of WHAT I am good at. Tried to keep my life around that, and put myself in situations, career ect that I can use it to full advantage.


Scroll on by.... YOU HAVE THE POWER.

I am listing to you Space Cowgirl, I left him one last message on another thread and I am done feeding the group ;D

Im no doctor, bit its certainly interesting. PM'd
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: hoppy on June 23, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
If 9/11 was an inside job, why the Twin Towers, and why both of them?  Why also fly into the Pentagon?  Surely they didn't need to cause quite that much death and destruction to achieve the same result?  I can understand terrorists doing it, because they would want to cause as much death and destruction as possible, but I can't see it being conceived by Americans to kill their own.

Gotta a pic of a plane flying into the Pentagon Copernicus?

"Americans killing their own..." I suggest you go to Chicago this weekend...Or read a book about the Civil War, you stupid...

This is why people don't like you. I agree that 9/11 was an inside job but you don't have to name call you dummy. ;)
Nanny nanny boo boo.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 05:46:37 PM
I never thought of you as one to question 9/11. Learn something new everyday.

Neither did I..I was surely surprised he had those views.

I'll take that as a compliment :-).

So for the guys that voted for the official story, what do you believe happened to building #7?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: hoppy on June 23, 2016, 05:55:41 PM
I never thought of you as one to question 9/11. Learn something new everyday.

Neither did I..I was surely surprised he had those views.

I'll take that as a compliment :-).

So for the guys that voted for the official story, what do you believe happened to building #7?
A couple of sofas and a filing cabinet caught on fire. This obviously weakened the steel beams causing a structural collapse. It's simple. My I.Q. is 132 and I'm a Mensa. 8)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 06:49:28 PM
I never thought of you as one to question 9/11. Learn something new everyday.

Neither did I..I was surely surprised he had those views.

I'll take that as a compliment :-).

So for the guys that voted for the official story, what do you believe happened to building #7?
A couple of sofas and a filing cabinet caught on fire. This obviously weakened the steel beams causing a structural collapse. It's simple. My I.Q. is 132 and I'm a Mensa. 8)

146 at last count.

Agreed it doesn't make sense, try to keep the sarcasm to a minimum tho please.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 23, 2016, 10:42:44 PM
Hey dumb fucks, checking comms for common grammatical/spelling quirks is an ancient counter-intelligence practice for catching out & identifying spies...

So the fact that there are EIGHT whole pages of different characters here who all mis-spell 'ridiculous' as 'rediculous' is an extremely telling fact.

As is the fact that you all rush to claim this extremely telling fact is just a 'coincidence'.

You are shit at your shit jobs & every intelligent neutral knows it.

As usual.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 23, 2016, 11:17:16 PM
Hey dumb fucks, checking comms for common grammatical/spelling quirks is an ancient counter-intelligence practice for catching out & identifying spies...

So the fact that there are EIGHT whole pages of different characters here who all mis-spell 'ridiculous' as 'rediculous' is an extremely telling fact.

As is the fact that you all rush to claim this extremely telling fact is just a 'coincidence'.

You are shit at your shit jobs & every intelligent neutral knows it.

As usual.

So, I'm getting paid to state my opinion that 9/11 was a false flag?

Seems legit.

Read the thread Papa.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: rabinoz on June 24, 2016, 12:03:50 AM

So the fact that there are EIGHT whole pages of different characters here who all mis-spell 'ridiculous' as 'rediculous' is an extremely telling fact.

Very instructive! But did you bother seeing how many different names came up?

I only looked over one year and found these terrible Globularist sock puppets, and I came up with this list:
"Soulblood,  Babyhighspeed,  dylandude,  Papa Legba, hoppy and TylerJRB."
Yes hoppy and Papa you should be ashamed of yourselves, closet Globularist sock puppets all along.
And "hoppy" a "Flat Earth Believer"!

You call yourself "unbiased"! Yes, sitting in the middle of the road chucking rocks at the traffic going both ways!

Papa you are an idiot and that is being complimentary!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 24, 2016, 12:42:11 AM
I never thought of you as one to question 9/11. Learn something new everyday.

Neither did I..I was surely surprised he had those views.

I'll take that as a compliment :-).

So for the guys that voted for the official story, what do you believe happened to building #7?
A couple of sofas and a filing cabinet caught on fire. This obviously weakened the steel beams causing a structural collapse. It's simple. My I.Q. is 132 and I'm a Mensa. 8)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I went into a fit of laughter at this. This place lacks a lot of funny stuff, so this is welcome.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 24, 2016, 12:50:22 AM
Hey dumb fucks, checking comms for common grammatical/spelling quirks is an ancient counter-intelligence practice for catching out & identifying spies...

So the fact that there are EIGHT whole pages of different characters here who all mis-spell 'ridiculous' as 'rediculous' is an extremely telling fact.

As is the fact that you all rush to claim this extremely telling fact is just a 'coincidence'.

You are shit at your shit jobs & every intelligent neutral knows it.

As usual.

So, I'm getting paid to state my opinion that 9/11 was a false flag?

Seems legit.

Read the thread Papa.
He's correct though. He picked out a bad spelling that is made by a good few on here. Now normally you can say it's a coincidence if one other person does it but not a larger number on the same forum.
What makes it worse is the fact that (as Papa said) you all immediately jump in to defend it.

This topic almost seems like it's a fishing trip to reel in flat Earther's or alternate Earther's, eventually.
Start it off by using known globalists to actually make it appear like there's a conspiracy. A flat Earther pops in and then another and another, all claiming that it is a conspiracy, then, crash bang wallop, the stance is changed to attack mode by the very same people who now (over a small period of time) change reasoning and then start to attack the alternate theorists.

Now if this is not the case and you people are legitimately arguing for a definite conspiracy, then it "should" give you a massive shake up about how you can be manipulated in to believing anything - including an Earth model that can be fed in exactly the same type of fashion.


And so on.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 01:57:50 AM
Scepti, just because I believe the earth is an oblate spheroid, spinning on its axis, orbiting the sun in the suburbs of the milky way galaxy, doesn't mean I believe everything I'm told.

In case you haven't noticed I like to do my own research and make my own opinions on things, why do you think I joined? You don't honestly believe I get paid to post do you?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 02:41:00 AM
Babyhighspeed:
I am not naive, terrorists do have their reasons. What they do is unforgivable, but so are many things america (and other countries) have done in the middle east.

But to commit mass murder to your own people just to have a justification to attack others is a whole new level of horrible.

This BBC story does sound confusing, do you have a source of that?

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: hoppy on June 24, 2016, 03:26:01 AM
It was the WTC 7 collapse that I heard about a few years after 2001 that really helped me see 911 bs story for what it is.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: rabinoz on June 24, 2016, 03:56:58 AM
Hey dumb fucks, checking comms for common grammatical/spelling quirks is an ancient counter-intelligence practice for catching out & identifying spies...

So the fact that there are EIGHT whole pages of different characters here who all mis-spell 'ridiculous' as 'rediculous' is an extremely telling fact.

As is the fact that you all rush to claim this extremely telling fact is just a 'coincidence'.

You are shit at your shit jobs & every intelligent neutral knows it.

As usual.

So, I'm getting paid to state my opinion that 9/11 was a false flag?

Seems legit.

Read the thread Papa.
He's correct though. He picked out a bad spelling that is made by a good few on here. Now normally you can say it's a coincidence if one other person does it but not a larger number on the same forum.
What makes it worse is the fact that (as Papa said) you all immediately jump in to defend it.

This topic almost seems like it's a fishing trip to reel in flat Earther's or alternate Earther's, eventually.
Start it off by using known globalists to actually make it appear like there's a conspiracy. A flat Earther pops in and then another and another, all claiming that it is a conspiracy, then, crash bang wallop, the stance is changed to attack mode by the very same people who now (over a small period of time) change reasoning and then start to attack the alternate theorists.

Now if this is not the case and you people are legitimately arguing for a definite conspiracy, then it "should" give you a massive shake up about how you can be manipulated in to believing anything - including an Earth model that can be fed in exactly the same type of fashion.


And so on.

If you bothered to look at those 9 (yes now 9) pages you will find numerous names repeated and numerous flat earthers, including of course poor innocent hoppy.
"Rediculous"  is a very common mispelling of "ridiculous" and since there are probably many more Globe supporters posting than Flat Earthers it would be expected that our local sleuth might find more Globe supporters in that list.

Of course our local undercover detective wouldn't be smart enough to work that out. Let him carry on with his delusion, at least it keeps him off the streets.

Now you are proving yourself as having as much common sense as Papa!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: GlaringEye on June 24, 2016, 05:48:25 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html

I know just posting a link is a bit rude, but this article explains what happened with WTC7.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 24, 2016, 08:33:00 AM
Scepti, just because I believe the earth is an oblate spheroid, spinning on its axis, orbiting the sun in the suburbs of the milky way galaxy, doesn't mean I believe everything I'm told.

In case you haven't noticed I like to do my own research and make my own opinions on things, why do you think I joined? You don't honestly believe I get paid to post do you?
I'm not really interested whether you get paid to post or do it for coupons. The mere fact that you adhere to a globe and all the trimmings, makes you a person not to be trusted, no matter what you come out with.

If you do your own research without peer pressure then you would not be sticking rigidly to the official lines of all things global.
As for 9/11. It doesn't matter what Earth shape a person takes as a potential, anyone can question stuff like this and most "globalists" actually do - those who believe there's more to it than meets the eye, or senses.

It's hard to trust your motives when you put something like this up. It stinks of dishonestly in terms of dragging in people who are flat Earth or alternate to your chosen one, where you and your cronies are just waiting to turn the tables.

If I'm wrong then time will show that. Let's see.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 24, 2016, 08:34:32 AM
Hey dumb fucks, checking comms for common grammatical/spelling quirks is an ancient counter-intelligence practice for catching out & identifying spies...

So the fact that there are EIGHT whole pages of different characters here who all mis-spell 'ridiculous' as 'rediculous' is an extremely telling fact.

As is the fact that you all rush to claim this extremely telling fact is just a 'coincidence'.

You are shit at your shit jobs & every intelligent neutral knows it.

As usual.

So, I'm getting paid to state my opinion that 9/11 was a false flag?

Seems legit.

Read the thread Papa.
He's correct though. He picked out a bad spelling that is made by a good few on here. Now normally you can say it's a coincidence if one other person does it but not a larger number on the same forum.
What makes it worse is the fact that (as Papa said) you all immediately jump in to defend it.

This topic almost seems like it's a fishing trip to reel in flat Earther's or alternate Earther's, eventually.
Start it off by using known globalists to actually make it appear like there's a conspiracy. A flat Earther pops in and then another and another, all claiming that it is a conspiracy, then, crash bang wallop, the stance is changed to attack mode by the very same people who now (over a small period of time) change reasoning and then start to attack the alternate theorists.

Now if this is not the case and you people are legitimately arguing for a definite conspiracy, then it "should" give you a massive shake up about how you can be manipulated in to believing anything - including an Earth model that can be fed in exactly the same type of fashion.


And so on.

If you bothered to look at those 9 (yes now 9) pages you will find numerous names repeated and numerous flat earthers, including of course poor innocent hoppy.
"Rediculous"  is a very common mispelling of "ridiculous" and since there are probably many more Globe supporters posting than Flat Earthers it would be expected that our local sleuth might find more Globe supporters in that list.

Of course our local undercover detective wouldn't be smart enough to work that out. Let him carry on with his delusion, at least it keeps him off the streets.

Now you are proving yourself as having as much common sense as Papa!
Guilty by merely protesting.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
"Rediculous"  is a very common mispelling of "ridiculous"

When in hole, stop digging.

If you weren't permanently drunk, as well as shit at your shit job, you'd also know that is another important aspect of IRL fieldcraft, Geoff...

But you are both, so you don't.

Similarly, if you had any experience of either building or demolishing large steel & reinforced concrete structures you'd also know the official story of 9-11 is laughable bullshit...

But you have neither, so you don't.

Now STFU & GTFO Geoff.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: inquisitive on June 24, 2016, 09:29:54 AM
"Rediculous"  is a very common mispelling of "ridiculous"

When in hole, stop digging.

If you weren't permanently drunk, as well as shit at your shit job, you'd also know that is another important aspect of IRL fieldcraft, Geoff...

But you are both, so you don't.

Similarly, if you had any experience of either building or demolishing large steel & reinforced concrete structures you'd also know the official story of 9-11 is laughable bullshit...

But you have neither, so you don't.

Now STFU & GTFO Geoff.
When you lose the argument resort to personal abuse and bad language.  All unnecessary.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 24, 2016, 09:41:47 AM
"Rediculous"  is a very common mispelling of "ridiculous"

When in hole, stop digging.

If you weren't permanently drunk, as well as shit at your shit job, you'd also know that is another important aspect of IRL fieldcraft, Geoff...

But you are both, so you don't.

Similarly, if you had any experience of either building or demolishing large steel & reinforced concrete structures you'd also know the official story of 9-11 is laughable bullshit...

But you have neither, so you don't.

Now STFU & GTFO Geoff.
When you lose the argument resort to personal abuse and bad language.  All unnecessary.
Papa Legba hasn't lost any argument. The reason he hasn't is because he's telling the truth and at worst he's extremely close to many truth's.
You play the one sentence game.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sokarul on June 24, 2016, 09:42:46 AM
The troof.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 10:15:04 AM
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html

I know just posting a link is a bit rude, but this article explains what happened with WTC7.

You realize yall are arguing about the misspelling of a word and that it equals we are all the same. Talk about an "lol-cow"...

In response to this quote, the top pic of that was right after the fall. The other pics are standard pics of small fires right after the towers were struck. Ignoring the fact of "how" those fires got there since building 6 took a HUGE amount of damage and brunt from the strikes and fall (though never fell, however the building was used as no significance like building 7). A standard fire burning off the known materials in 7 would barely push a temp above a 1000. Not to mention density (of the flame itself not coverage which was also not sufficient) of the fire itself, was not sufficient to destroy the heat treating much less have much of an effect at all on the steel skeleton. Then when you add beam length, density, and distribution, it would have MAYBE a 2 percent effect. We have some serious issues with this "explanation".

The average person has no idea the design of such structures or knowledge of the materials, so this explanations are easy to pass by the mainstream. Some of the 600 permits these buildings had to pass was fire control, prevention, structure rigidity in such an even ect ect. People have no idea how much design these building where through, they were built for massive fire, hell even tower 1 and 2 was built to be struck by an air plane. They were built not to fall simple as that, especially not free fall.

Let's also ignore the fact some rookies that barely could handle a Cessna could pull a maneuver, at low altitude , supposedly holding at 500+, that some of the best trained pilots in the planet said "um no, I couldn't do that, those planes wouldn't take that . People don't realize how small the towers target really was when you add all the other factors. Yet both strike just perfectly dead center (side to side not up and down). I digress as I literally get way too carried away with this. There is just TOO much that doesn't work.

Just these last things....

This is what attempted free fall of a steel structure looks like in reality when the framing is in tact.

 (http://)

Want more examples just look up failed demolitions, there are 50 I an think of just off the top of my head.


Just remember not just a few or not just one...none...as in no steel structure building has ever fell from a fire. Then poof like literal magic, 3 in one day.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/24np5ps.jpg)

Wanna guess how long this burned and didn't fall??

(http://i64.tinypic.com/11vpj6o.jpg)

Or maybe this one??

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2zs2ycl.jpg)

One more just for fun!!!

I could keep going....as I am saying, falling is the absolute LAST thing these buildings are built to do. Much less a FREE fall, not to mention, with the distribution of mass that is used in building them in the first place, they are not allowed to free fall straight down if a miracle happened.

If I can find one video, there was a tower that the demo failed and it toppled over then started to roll lol. The official story takes advantage of people not understanding things and that really pisses me off.

I respect peoples opinions of things and if you want to believe something then I truly will support that. I am just letting you know, if you believe the official story, you are wrong. I don't need opinions to prove such a thing, though if you want to believe I understand why and I still love you :-*
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
Haven't you got a $1,000,000 vacuum chamber you should be building?

You know, rather than trolling a flat earth forum with tl;dr bullshit?

Which is a thing the CEO's of aerospace engineering companies normally do, of course...

In mad shill-world, that is.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 24, 2016, 10:34:29 AM
Only you can prevent poop fires!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 10:36:59 AM
Only you can prevent poop fires!

Are you bored cowgirl ha ha??
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 24, 2016, 10:38:28 AM
Only you can prevent poop fires!

Are you bored cowgirl ha ha??

Kinda!

I need a meme to post whenever the poo starts flying.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 10:43:23 AM
Only you can prevent poop fires!

Are you bored cowgirl ha ha??

Kinda!

I need a meme to post whenever the poo starts flying.

Would there be a penguin on the meme??

Also, can you tell Legba everything he said in his last post is a lie, even the company I own? Since I am not allowed to talk to him anymore.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 24, 2016, 10:50:05 AM
Only you can prevent poop fires!

Are you bored cowgirl ha ha??

Kinda!

I need a meme to post whenever the poo starts flying.

Would there be a penguin on the meme??

Also, can you tell Legba everything he said in his last post is a lie, even the company I own? Since I am not allowed to talk to him anymore.

GAH! He knows it's all a lie. That is why he posted it.  >:(

Everyone knows what he posts is bullshit, even the people agreeing with him. They get a kick out seeing you defend yourself! Roundies trolling roundies.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 24, 2016, 10:53:14 AM
Only you can prevent poop fires!

Are you bored cowgirl ha ha??

Kinda!

I need a meme to post whenever the poo starts flying.

Would there be a penguin on the meme??

Also, can you tell Legba everything he said in his last post is a lie, even the company I own? Since I am not allowed to talk to him anymore.
It's surprising who the people are that say , "rediculous."
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 24, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rediculous
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 11:01:40 AM
It's surprising who the people are that say , "rediculous."

I already admitted to bring a horrible speller along with other flaws. I thought we got that out of the way. Or do you want to embarrass me further. If so, no biggie, if it gets rocks off go for it.

I have already been made fun of quite a bit for it from grade school on. Or my own confidence in private times such as writing a doctoral thesis and having to run spell check on each page before moving on. Ect ect...

Do you ever have anything to add of substance, or are you just another Legba?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 11:03:04 AM
It's surprising who the people are that say , "rediculous."

GCHQ, Lublyanka & Langley used to be full of people analysing this kinda shit...

They were often very good at crosswords & suchlike.

I guess that now, in the text/email age, they mostly been replaced by computer programmes...

But it's still as important a part of counter-intelligence as it always was.

The simple fact that all the sock-shills here are trying to shitpost it down the memory-hole asap shows they know how badly they've fucked up...

Shit at their shit jobs 24/7/365; all they really have is dumb persistence...

They're a lot like Richard Nixon that way.



Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 24, 2016, 12:09:11 PM

I dedicated years of my life, countless hours, 150k dollars of resources and all my heart to this group and project when it was happening.

I have heard about you people who send Richard Gage on holiday.
How many years now and how much of your time and your money has Mr Gage spent?
Would you like to buy a bridge? I've got one in London for sale.
It's called the Tower Bridge.
US $1000 000.95c and it's yours.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
Oh what a lovely False Dialectic!

JREF really is a disgusting place...

It's where apprentice shills learn the shit tricks of their shit trade, you know?

Isn't it Geoff?

This thread is doomed btw; I'm gonna put the hammer on you but good!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 12:18:38 PM

I dedicated years of my life, countless hours, 150k dollars of resources and all my heart to this group and project when it was happening.

I have heard about you people who send Richard Gage on holiday.
How many years now and how much of your time and your money has Mr Gage spent?
Would you like to buy a bridge? I've got one in London for sale.
It's called the Tower Bridge.
US $1000 000.95c and it's yours.


Well first of all, if you read my post on this thread you would see I am no longer active in that scene as people will always believe what they want no matter what.

Also, assumptions....well we both know the saying that goes with that. I have never sent a penny to him. The only place my money went was to the group I have already spoke about. We all pooled our resources and moved it where it needed to go at the time. The other place is of my own man power on tests ect. Many at the time I did as my own funded project during business hours which required some of my staff. Or if I at doing multiple at a time, so I could complete quicker.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 24, 2016, 12:41:31 PM

I dedicated years of my life, countless hours, 150k dollars of resources and all my heart to this group and project when it was happening.

I have heard about you people who send Richard Gage on holiday.
How many years now and how much of your time and your money has Mr Gage spent?
Would you like to buy a bridge? I've got one in London for sale.
It's called the Tower Bridge.
US $1000 000.95c and it's yours.


Well first of all, if you read my post on this thread you would see I am no longer active in that scene as people will always believe what they want no matter what.

Also, assumptions....well we both know the saying that goes with that. I have never sent a penny to him. The only place my money went was to the group I have already spoke about. We all looked our resources and moved it where it needed to go at the time. The other place is of my own man power on tests ect. Many at the time I did as my own funded project during business hours which required some of my staff. Or if I at doing multiple at a time, so I could complete quicker.

Well you are bloody useless 'cos after so many years you still have not come up with any evidence to prove that the official reason is wrong.
Just think, if you had any real evidence you would be famous overnight and not spending time arguing with Papa Legba.
-----
Imagine the scenario:

"So BabyonSpeed you had all this evidence to prove the 911 was an inside job but you didn't report it to anyone?"

"Well your Honour, I was busy having a conversation with a friend of mine by the name of Papa Legba on The Flat Earth Society Forum and it just happened to slip my mind."

"So BabyHighOnSpeed, why did you go public now?"

"You Drunkeness - you do not understand at the time I did as my own funded project during business hours which required some of my staff. Or if I at doing multiple at a time, so I could complete quicker."

"Huh?"

"Okey dokey, As my family and friends told me, I'll go to the Daily Record tomorrow, produce my 50 pages of evidence and await my Pulitzer Prize."

"You are a good person Baby (said in an Elvis voice)  - I will organise arrest warrants for the whole population of the USA as THEY were all in on it. Mmm -  I hope there are no Americans on the Space Station as they would be out of my jurisdiction. Oh hang on. just looked back at my old and ancient law records and my mentor Papa Legba explains that the Space Station does not in fact exist. Silly me."

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 12:46:20 PM
Continued False Dialectic Bullshit from confirmed JREF paedos?

Just stop it.

And let Andy Williams explain:

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 24, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
Continued False Dialectic Bullshit from confirmed JREF paedos?

Just stop it.

And let Andy Williams explain:



Found a vid of your Dad:

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 01:04:50 PM
Lonnie Donegan vs. Andy Williams, eh?

False dialectics are in your shill-blood aren't they?

You just can't help your shit JREF shill-self, can you?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 24, 2016, 01:07:34 PM
Lonnie Donegan vs. Andy Williams, eh?

False dialectics are in your shill-blood aren't they?

You just can't help your shit JREF shill-self, can you?

Enjoy:

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 01:07:53 PM
Plus, of course, this:

I could name rediculous amounts of inconsistencies in this story.

Just ran your mis-spelling of the word 'ridiculous' through the search function...

Got 8 pages of different characters all making the same mistake.

VERY educational...

LOL!!!

See, shills; this is what I'm referring to when I say your sloppy fieldcraft would get you killed IRL.

But meh...

Carry on with your bullshit fake dialectic snore-fest.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 02:38:55 PM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.

Damn yun I thought you might have been one of the intelligent ones.

Of course we reported every single piece of everything. We were not the only group to, and there have been groups that have done it afterwards, and there is groups who still do to this day.  Why the fuck do you think they did the 9 11 commission report.. Yet was entirely self-referential not ONE source listed in the 100 pages in the back would be released, nor has been. Not to mention every person involved in the underfunded rushed "report" said they were obstructed in every way. They didn't even believe the government. Outside information was not allowed, only government recorded interviews evidence ect. Which as I said before, NONE of the sources will be released. Once again self-referential...if you want to believe that go ahead. Not to mention defies science in every way, and includes magic. I could not begin to list the problems involved with that.

9 11 is taboo here now if you disagree with the official report, it brings as much anger from mainstream as sexism and racism. The government will not accept not review any evidence further. I could continue on but not like it wouldnt make a damn bit of difference.

Simple fact I along with 300 plus people I know personally can prove the story is shit. Can we prove what really happened?? No only educated speculation. But can damn sure prove those towers were not brought down as they claimed. You wanna believe magic to ahead, just don't talk to me like a fucking idiot because of it.

Slight of hand is an illusion...not witch craft
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
Everyone knows this is how teh 9s-11 happened:



Or some similar shit I dunno...
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 03:02:51 PM
Legba....your shit is usually harmless shit that shows your ignorance and how much of a pathetic loser you really are.

Though on this subject, show some fucking respect. There was an extreme loss of life from the event as well as an EXTREME loss of life resulting from it afterwards. Not to mention all the other horrible things that spawned from this.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 03:10:08 PM
There was an extreme loss of life from the event

Gotcha you JREF dickhead.

Fucking false dichotomy bullshit confirmed.

Now go build your fake vacuum chamber & set off a bomb in it or some mad shit...

Don't forget to shout 'ALLAHU AKBAR!' when you do so, BabyShoebomber.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Blue_Moon on June 24, 2016, 03:23:21 PM
You did it, Legba!  You got the first post on the page!  Congratulations! 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 03:31:36 PM
There was an extreme loss of life from the event

Gotcha you JREF dickhead.

Fucking false dichotomy bullshit confirmed.

Now go build your fake vacuum chamber & set off a bomb in it or some mad shit...

Don't forget to shout 'ALLAHU AKBAR!' when you do so, BabyShoebomber.

You are fucking pathetic. No shame. You exist in your sad little made up reality to mentally hide from yourself the lonely, unwanted, ignorant, unsuccessful useless pile of shit you are. Filled with rage and bitterness from being nothing in reality, from the world not caring what you think or respecting you.I tried to be nice and tell you how to fix that.

This is far enough for me. I am done with you. You don't even deserve to be quoted. Ignored and bye now loser.

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 04:26:07 PM
Papa, why are you derailing a thead you agree with?

I think we broke the Papa bot...
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: hoppy on June 24, 2016, 04:30:11 PM
Bhs, don't your panties in a knot. Nobody lost their life at the Twin Towers. Geez, there you go believing the government again.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 24, 2016, 04:43:10 PM
Bhs, don't your panties in a knot. Nobody lost their life at the Twin Towers. Geez, there you go believing the government again.

No plenty of people did, just not as many as the number we were told. Sadly the ones who were attempting to save the fake people. However way more have lost their lives than we were told afterwards, from the justification of it.

I already spoke very briefly about that on the first page, the skeleton companies, or just plain fake ones. Insurance fraud ect ect.

As for papa...fuck him. That was my last straw with that pile of garbage. He went from cheeky to a no shame loser.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: boydster on June 24, 2016, 04:50:21 PM
1/10 hoppy. Really, just a poor showing. The effort your post lacked is a disrespect to conspiracy theorists the world over.

My vote is for official story rather than false flag. But really, I think asking people to take a side and not leaving any room for gray area is unfair. Just saying. Things aren't always black and white, and when uninformed people try to reduce it down to that, the penguins win.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 05:00:38 PM
My vote is for official story rather than false flag. But really, I think asking people to take a side and not leaving any room for gray area is unfair. Just saying. Things aren't always black and white, and when uninformed people try to reduce it down to that, the penguins win.

I thought of putting a third option, but like it has been said many times on this thread, people just "don't want to believe it."

If I put the third option as "other" then we wouldn't have had an accurate depiction of peoples beliefs imo.

Do you believe building 7 collapsed due to fire causing a "total progressive collapse?"

What about the passports that were found in the wreckage?

Do you believe the bbc made "a mistake" when they reported building 7 collapsing prior to when it actually fell?

Not even mentioning who gained (and lost) the most from the attacks.

I've read the official story and it just doesnt make sense, like BHS said, the more you dig the uglier it gets.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: rabinoz on June 24, 2016, 05:07:51 PM
There was an extreme loss of life from the event
Gotcha you JREF dickhead.
Fucking false dichotomy bullshit confirmed.
Now go build your fake vacuum chamber & set off a bomb in it or some mad shit...
Don't forget to shout 'ALLAHU AKBAR!' when you do so, BabyShoebomber.

I think the Papa Lima Mark IV Android has had a complete meltdown in its positronic circuits.

I strongly it be returned to base for a complete refit before its fusion reactor power core detonates and splatters the Globe with Papa Lima Mark IV Android's entrails. A gruesome thought!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 05:13:33 PM
Quote
Wikipedia

Safety concerns regarding aircraft impacts
The structural engineers working on the World Trade Center considered the possibility that an aircraft could crash into the building. In July 1945, a B-25 bomber that was lost in the fog had crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building. A year later, a C-45F Expeditor[8] crashed into the 40 Wall Street building,[9] and there was a near-hit at the Empire State Building.[10] Leslie Robertson, one of the chief engineers working on the design of the World Trade Center, has since said he personally considered the scenario of the impact of a Boeing 707 or another jet airliner, which might be lost in the fog and flying at relatively low speeds while seeking to land at JFK Airport or Newark Airport. However, in an interview with the BBC, Robertson states, "with the 707, the fuel load was not considered in the design, I don't know how it could have been considered."[10][11]

NIST found a three-page white paper that mentioned another aircraft-impact analysis, involving impact of a Boeing 707 at 600 miles per hour (970 km/h), but the original documentation of the study, which was part of the building's 1,200-page structural analysis, was lost when the Port Authority offices were destroyed in the collapse of the 1 WTC; the copy was lost in 7 WTC.[12] In 1993, John Skilling, lead structural engineer for the WTC, recalled doing the analysis, and remarked, "Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed," he said. "The building structure would still be there."[13] In its report, NIST stated that the technical ability to perform a rigorous simulation of aircraft impact and ensuing fires is a recent development, and that the technical capability for such analysis would have been quite limited in the 1960s.[14][note 1]

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Fireproofing
In April 1970, the New York City Department of Air Resources ordered contractors building the World Trade Center to stop the spraying of asbestos as an insulating material.[15] Fireproofing was incorporated in the original construction and more was added after a fire in 1975 that spread to six floors before being extinguished. After the 1993 bombing, inspections found fireproofing to be deficient. The Port Authority was in the process of replacing it, but replacement had been completed on only 18 floors in 1 WTC, including all the floors affected by the aircraft impact and fires,[16] and on 13 floors in 2 WTC, although only three of these floors (77, 78, and 85) were directly affected by the aircraft impact.[17][note 2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
Quote from: hoppy
A couple of sofas and a filing cabinet caught on fire. This obviously weakened the steel beams causing a structural collapse. It's simple. My I.Q. is 132 and I'm a Mensa. 8)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/k5GMWF/1920px_World_Trade_Center_9_11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Vertical_Impact_Locations_svg.png) (https://ibb.co/k5GMWF)


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Immediately following the collapses, there was some confusion about who had the authority to carry out an official investigation. While there are clear procedures for the investigation of aircraft accidents, no agency had been appointed in advance to investigate building collapses.[65] A team was quickly assembled by the Structural Engineers Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers, led by W. Gene Corley, Senior Vice President of CTLGroup. It also involved the American Institute of Steel Construction, the American Concrete Institute, the National Fire Protection Association, and the Society of Fire Protection Engineers.[66] ASCE ultimately invited FEMA to join the investigation, which was completed under the auspices of the latter.[66]

The investigation was criticized by some engineers and lawmakers in the U.S. It had little funding, no authority to demand evidence, and limited access to the WTC site. One major point of contention at the time was that the cleanup of the WTC site was resulting in the destruction of the majority of the buildings' steel components.[67] Indeed, when NIST published its final report, it noted "the scarcity of physical evidence" that it had had at its disposal to investigate the collapses. Only a fraction of a percent of the buildings remained for analysis after the cleanup was completed: some 236 individual pieces of steel, although 95% of structural beams and plates and 50% of the reinforcement bars were recovered.[68]

FEMA published its report in May 2002. While NIST had already announced its intention to investigate the collapses in August of the same year, by September 11, 2002 (a year after the disaster), there was growing public pressure for a more thorough investigation.[69] Congress passed the National Construction Safety Team bill in October 2002, giving NIST the authority to conduct an investigation of the World Trade Center collapses.[70]

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The large quantity of jet fuel carried by each aircraft ignited upon impact into each building. A significant portion of this fuel was consumed immediately in the ensuing fireballs. The remaining fuel is believed either to have flowed down through the buildings or to have burned off within a few minutes of the aircraft impact. The heat produced by this burning jet fuel does not by itself appear to have been sufficient to initiate the structural collapses. However, as the burning jet fuel spread across several floors of the buildings, it ignited much of the buildings’ contents, ((Hoppy was right)) causing simultaneous fires across several floors of both buildings. The heat output from these fires is estimated to have been comparable to the power produced by a large commercial power generating station. Over a period of many minutes, this heat induced additional stresses into the damaged structural frames while simultaneously softening and weakening these frames. This additional loading and the resulting damage were sufficient to induce the collapse of both structures.[75]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center

Yes I know my enemy, they're the people who taught me to fight me, compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite.

RATM.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: boydster on June 24, 2016, 05:50:02 PM
My vote is for official story rather than false flag. But really, I think asking people to take a side and not leaving any room for gray area is unfair. Just saying. Things aren't always black and white, and when uninformed people try to reduce it down to that, the penguins win.

I thought of putting a third option, but like it has been said many times on this thread, people just "don't want to believe it."

If I put the third option as "other" then we wouldn't have had an accurate depiction of peoples beliefs imo.

Do you believe building 7 collapsed due to fire causing a "total progressive collapse?"

What about the passports that were found in the wreckage?

Do you believe the bbc made "a mistake" when they reported building 7 collapsing prior to when it actually fell?

Not even mentioning who gained (and lost) the most from the attacks.

I've read the official story and it just doesnt make sense, like BHS said, the more you dig the uglier it gets.

Consider me among the uninformed. I watched the television broadcast, just like anyone else that was able to that day. I saw the second plane hit, and I don't think it was CGI. I know people who lost family members that were there. I'm not handing a victory over to the penguins by saying I think there is some sort of dichotomy (damn it, stupid PL has made that word seem dirty to even type now).

The buildings really fell. Lots of innocent people really died. The world is a different place because of it. It was a terrorist attack. Who were the terrorists? Well, I happen to think it wasn't Gee Dubya. But you don't know any better than I do what any of the classified, redacted, destroyed, or <other> documents have for information yet to be disclosed. And there are a lot of people that like to chant "Death to America" and that's not new. And the asshole that took credit for orchestrating the whole thing wasn't exactly a newcomer to the whole hating on Americans thing. So there's that. I don't claim to know any more than what I just said. I don't believe it was a false flag operation with wild conspiratorial undertones perpetrated by the US government. And I don't believe that the BBC was in on it. Beliefs don't exactly matter though. Facts matter.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 06:23:18 PM
Fair call that's fine, I also believe the towers fell and planes crashed into them.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/fPiqQa/911worldopinionpoll_Sep2008_pie.png) (https://ibb.co/fPiqQa)

This is why I didn't give an option 3, 25% of people said they "don't know"
That's massive imho.

Over half of the people think it wasnt Al Qaeda, but they write "other" and "dont know" it's much easier and less scary to stay uninformed.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: boydster on June 24, 2016, 06:37:47 PM
But forcing that 25% to make a choice other than "Don't know" is asking for a dishonest answer. And you're not anymore informed just because you say you are. Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

Belief doesn't matter in this case. What you or I believe happened doesn't have any effect on what actually happened. And if we aren't to believe the official story, then none of us are playing with the advantage of having all of the knowledge.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 07:26:02 PM
I'm not forcing anyone to make a choice, no one has to vote.

I also know I am not completely informed, I've merely made my opinion on the evidence that is available.

The official story is, however, just as uninformed thinking that three buildings can fall like that after being hit with an commercial air plane. Any mechanical or structural engineer can tell you they shouldn't have fallen like that.

Most people I know thought terrorists had managed to plant explosives in the buildings footings to demolish it entirely, we were shocked and surprised when the "official story" mentioned nothing about explosions in the base.

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/services-buildings.

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two thousand ton skyscraper collapses like a house of cards, crumbling in on itself  - a waterfall of well-fractured steel and concrete debris. It lasts only seconds, and buildings within a few meters stand untouched. The very essence of Controlled Demolition, Inc. is in our name: CONTROL.

CDI demolishes structures with the kind of precision and planning usually associated with their creation.

Each project is handled by a world-renowned team of experts drawing on backgrounds in environmental remediation, engineering, dismantling, traditional demolition, explosives, material handling and the latest technology to guarantee complete predictability.

Controlled Demolition, Inc.  has the technical expertise and track record to take on projects of any magnitude.

This experience is used to select precisely the best equipment, materials, and methods for every project, and the best strategic communication plan to ensure acceptance by community groups and regulatory agencies. In an industry where experience is everything, CDI stands alone in its pioneering vision, innovative spirit, and decades of leadership.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 07:27:31 PM
Building 7



Controlled demolition



Seems legit.

Doesn't it seem even a little off to you?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 24, 2016, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Babyhighspeed
A standard fire burning off the known materials in 7 would barely push a temp above a 1000. Not to mention density (of the flame itself not coverage which was also not sufficient) of the fire itself, was not sufficient to destroy the heat treating much less have much of an effect at all on the steel skeleton. Then when you add beam length, density, and distribution, it would have MAYBE a 2 percent effect. We have some serious issues with this "explanation".

Just these last things....

This is what attempted free fall of a steel structure looks like in reality when the framing is in tact.

 (http://)

Want more examples just look up failed demolitions, there are 50 I an think of just off the top of my head.

Just remember not just a few or not just one...none...as in no steel structure building has ever fell from a fire. Then poof like literal magic, 3 in one day.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/24np5ps.jpg)

Wanna guess how long this burned and didn't fall??

(http://i64.tinypic.com/11vpj6o.jpg)

Or maybe this one??

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2zs2ycl.jpg)

One more just for fun!!!

I could keep going....as I am saying, falling is the absolute LAST thing these buildings are built to do. Much less a FREE fall, not to mention, with the distribution of mass that is used in building them in the first place, they are not allowed to free fall straight down if a miracle happened.

The official story takes advantage of people not understanding things and that really pisses me off.

I really couldn't explain it better.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 24, 2016, 10:55:22 PM
You JREF-ers still banging on?

Not noticed nobody's interested in your shit b8-thread yet?

Anyhoo; here's what really happened on teh 9s-1!!!1!!!1!!!!!!:



All Hail Otto!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 25, 2016, 12:36:34 AM
You JREF-ers still banging on?

Not noticed nobody's interested in your shit b8-thread yet?

Anyhoo; here's what really happened on teh 9s-1!!!1!!!1!!!!!!:



All Hail Otto!

Although otto does seem like a hero, I fail to see how this adds anything to the discussion.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 01:22:35 AM
Stop sending me PM's you crank.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 25, 2016, 01:26:41 AM
Contents of said PM;
Quote
You know I agree with you about 9/11 being a false flag and inside job right?

Because you seem confused.
Well, you did read the thread right?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 01:33:35 AM
You know I agree with you about 9/11 being a false flag and inside job right?

Because you seem confused.

DO.

Quote
author=disputeone link=topic=67149.msg1793488#msg1793488 date=1466843201]You know I agree with you about 9/11 being a false flag and inside job right?

Because you seem confused.

NOT.


Quote
author=disputeone link=topic=67149.msg1793488#msg1793488 date=1466843201]You know I agree with you about 9/11 being a false flag and inside job right?

Because you seem confused.

WANT!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 01:45:55 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.

Damn yun I thought you might have been one of the intelligent ones.

Of course we reported every single piece of everything.

So was that when you gave up? When they laughed at you as I am doing now?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 25, 2016, 02:01:00 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.

Damn yun I thought you might have been one of the intelligent ones.

Of course we reported every single piece of everything.

So was that when you gave up? When they laughed at you as I am doing now?

What are your thoughts on the 9/11 event Yun?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 02:01:50 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.


Simple fact I along with 300 plus people I know personally can prove the story is shit. Can we prove what really happened?? No only educated speculation. But can damn sure prove those towers were not brought down as they claimed. You wanna believe magic to ahead, just don't talk to me like a fucking idiot because of it.

Slight of hand is an illusion...not witch craft

So you cannot prove anything - you can only guess?
Am I correct in MY assumption?
--------
No I do not believe in magic - you do.
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And I will talk to you like you are an idiot because you are an idiot.
I would loved to have be a fly on the wall when "Your Report" was opened and read.
I have it on good authority that it was used to wallpaper a toilet floor.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 02:04:14 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.

Damn yun I thought you might have been one of the intelligent ones.

Of course we reported every single piece of everything.

So was that when you gave up? When they laughed at you as I am doing now?

What are your thoughts on the 9/11 event Yun?

Arabs, Hijackers, planes crash into buildings, big fires, buildings fall down.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 25, 2016, 02:04:52 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.


Simple fact I along with 300 plus people I know personally can prove the story is shit. Can we prove what really happened?? No only educated speculation. But can damn sure prove those towers were not brought down as they claimed. You wanna believe magic to ahead, just don't talk to me like a fucking idiot because of it.

Slight of hand is an illusion...not witch craft

So you cannot prove anything - you can only guess?
Am I correct in MY assumption?
--------
No I do not believe in magic - you do.
--------
And I will talk to you like you are an idiot because you are an idiot.
I would loved to have be a fly on the wall when "Your Report" was opened and read.
I have it on good authority that it was used to wallpaper a toilet floor.

Do you have an engineering degree? Do you think the way tower 7 fell was explainable by heat and "total progressive collapse"?

Bring something to the conversation or don't post at all.

Also, Aren't you a flat earther?

Edit for typo
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 02:10:43 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.


Simple fact I along with 300 plus people I know personally can prove the story is shit. Can we prove what really happened?? No only educated speculation. But can damn sure prove those towers were not brought down as they claimed. You wanna believe magic to ahead, just don't talk to me like a fucking idiot because of it.

Slight of hand is an illusion...not witch craft

So you cannot prove anything - you can only guess?
Am I correct in MY assumption?
--------
No I do not believe in magic - you do.
--------
And I will talk to you like you are an idiot because you are an idiot.
I would loved to have be a fly on the wall when "Your Report" was opened and read.
I have it on good authority that it was used to wallpaper a toilet floor.

Do you have an engineering degree?

Do you?
And I know you don't so you also bring nothing to this conversation and should not be posting.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 02:17:38 AM
Numa Numa guys did 9-11:

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 25, 2016, 02:39:10 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.


Simple fact I along with 300 plus people I know personally can prove the story is shit. Can we prove what really happened?? No only educated speculation. But can damn sure prove those towers were not brought down as they claimed. You wanna believe magic to ahead, just don't talk to me like a fucking idiot because of it.

Slight of hand is an illusion...not witch craft

So you cannot prove anything - you can only guess?
Am I correct in MY assumption?
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No I do not believe in magic - you do.
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And I will talk to you like you are an idiot because you are an idiot.
I would loved to have be a fly on the wall when "Your Report" was opened and read.
I have it on good authority that it was used to wallpaper a toilet floor.

Do you have an engineering degree?

Do you?
And I know you don't so you also bring nothing to this conversation and should not be posting.

How do you know the extent of my education?

Edit, I think you're assuming, and you know what happens when you assume?

Double edit.

Don't you think the earth is flat? please answer before posting on my thread again.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 03:54:50 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.


Simple fact I along with 300 plus people I know personally can prove the story is shit. Can we prove what really happened?? No only educated speculation. But can damn sure prove those towers were not brought down as they claimed. You wanna believe magic to ahead, just don't talk to me like a fucking idiot because of it.

Slight of hand is an illusion...not witch craft

So you cannot prove anything - you can only guess?
Am I correct in MY assumption?
--------
No I do not believe in magic - you do.
--------
And I will talk to you like you are an idiot because you are an idiot.
I would loved to have be a fly on the wall when "Your Report" was opened and read.
I have it on good authority that it was used to wallpaper a toilet floor.

Do you have an engineering degree?

Do you?
And I know you don't so you also bring nothing to this conversation and should not be posting.

Please answer before posting on my thread again.

Who are you to tell me when and where I can post?
It's a crap thread, as this 911 Conspiceracy shit has been gone over a zillion times by better tin foil artists than you.
Give it a rest, you are embarrassing yourself.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 03:59:01 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.


Simple fact I along with 300 plus people I know personally can prove the story is shit. Can we prove what really happened?? No only educated speculation. But can damn sure prove those towers were not brought down as they claimed. You wanna believe magic to ahead, just don't talk to me like a fucking idiot because of it.

Slight of hand is an illusion...not witch craft

So you cannot prove anything - you can only guess?
Am I correct in MY assumption?
--------
No I do not believe in magic - you do.
--------
And I will talk to you like you are an idiot because you are an idiot.
I would loved to have be a fly on the wall when "Your Report" was opened and read.
I have it on good authority that it was used to wallpaper a toilet floor.

Do you have an engineering degree?

Do you?
And I know you don't so you also bring nothing to this conversation and should not be posting.

How do you know the extent of my education?


"How do you know the extent of my education?"
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By reading your posts. You are an idiot, have a low level of education and probably have a police record linked to a drug problem.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 04:08:42 AM
Assumptions and just sad non sense.


Simple fact I along with 300 plus people I know personally can prove the story is shit. Can we prove what really happened?? No only educated speculation. But can damn sure prove those towers were not brought down as they claimed. You wanna believe magic to ahead, just don't talk to me like a fucking idiot because of it.

Slight of hand is an illusion...not witch craft

So you cannot prove anything - you can only guess?
Am I correct in MY assumption?
--------
No I do not believe in magic - you do.
--------
And I will talk to you like you are an idiot because you are an idiot.
I would loved to have be a fly on the wall when "Your Report" was opened and read.
I have it on good authority that it was used to wallpaper a toilet floor.

Do you have an engineering degree?

Do you?
And I know you don't so you also bring nothing to this conversation and should not be posting.

Don't you think the earth is flat? please answer before posting on my thread again.

To answer your question which was this: "Don't you think the earth is flat? please answer before posting on my thread again."

When I look outside of my back door the world looks flat.
When I fly my plane I can see that the world has a curvature.
When my buddy goes to the space station he tells me the world is round
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So the answer to you question is "Yes, the world is flat when I look outside my back door."
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Now we come to the second part of your question : "please answer before posting on my thread again."
Are you trying to censor people on this forum?
You do know that that is frowned upon and not allowed in normal society.
I expect a formal apology from you for daring to impose censorship on this forum.
Come on, I'm waiting.....

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 25, 2016, 04:12:15 AM
Well I clearly upset you, not sorry however.

Why don't you tell us how the buildings collapsed then?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 04:18:59 AM
Well I clearly upset you, not sorry however.

Why don't you tell us how the buildings collapsed then?

"Well I clearly upset you, not sorry however."
Not sorry for trying to censor me?
And don't try and go the route of that "I'm upset."
I eat idiots like you alive for breakfast and never, ever get an upset stomach.
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How did the building collapse?
Big planes crash into them, big fires, gravity.
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Grow up little boy and get an education, then do some proper research before opening your mouth again.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 25, 2016, 04:23:24 AM
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How did the building collapse?
Big planes crash into them, big fires, gravity.
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Please elaborate.

Edit, learn how to use the quote function, it will make your post's much more legible.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: rabinoz on June 25, 2016, 04:29:14 AM
Well I clearly upset you, not sorry however.

Why don't you tell us how the buildings collapsed then?

"Well I clearly upset you, not sorry however."
Not sorry for trying to censor me?
And don't try and go the route of that "I'm upset."
I eat idiots like you alive for breakfast and never, ever get an upset stomach.
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How did the building collapse?
Big planes crash into them, big fires, gravity.
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Grow up little boy and get an education, then do some proper research before opening your mouth again.
I guess that upward up 50,000 gals of jet fuel spread around, with a lot down the lift well making a "nice" blowtorch helped weaken the structure.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: totallackey on June 25, 2016, 05:10:42 AM
Why don't you tell us how the buildings collapsed then?
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I guess that upward up 50,000 gals of jet fuel spread around, with a lot down the lift well making a "nice" blowtorch helped weaken the structure.
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And I am sure that 50,000 gallons was a nice spherical shaped also, you stupid fuck!!!

Did the magic "G" suddenly allow the planes to carry over 2 times their design maximum capacity as you claim? Or was the spherically shaped puddle of jet fuel leaping from building to building!?!?

Plane flies, and even if loaded to max on fuel (most planes ARE NOT by the way), it was consuming the fuel in FLIGHT (unless of course the "magical "G" was not in action that day), plus the resulting fireballs (YOU DID SEE THEM, RIGHT!?!?) consumed a majority, if NOT ALL, the fuel.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 06:02:43 AM
Not one single person has come up with real evidence to prove that 911 was the way the official investigation concluded.
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If you have further information and proof, I'm sure that any major or even minor newspaper in the world would be happy to present your case.
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I'm also sure that there are many lawyers that would be happy to represent you whilst you make your presentation - that is, if you could persuade them that you have any evidence.
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I'm quite open to any argument that says the official report was wrong. (By the way, there was not one report.)
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Question :

If anyone here on this forum has real evidence that 911 was an "Inside Job," why are you not taking your "proof" to your local police station/radio station/newspaper.
I'm sure they would welcome you with open arms as they could potentially make billions out of you expertice and expose all of the bad guys.
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In other words, I'm saying to the original OP of this thread - "Put Up Or Shut UP."
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 06:53:26 AM
Aren't they missing you & your creepy appeal-to-authority bullshit on JREF yet?

Anyhoo; squirrels did 9-11:

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 07:17:27 AM
Aren't they missing you & your creepy appeal-to-authority bullshit on JREF yet?

Anyhoo; squirrels did 9-11:





You'll be hmm hmm hmm, magnet for money
You'll be mm mm mm mm, magnet for love
You'll feel hmm, light in your body
Now I'm gonna say, gonna say these words

Rompiendo la monotonia del tiempo
Rompiendo la monotonia del tiempo

It might hmm mmm mm mm, might rain money
It might hi hi hi hi, might rain fire
Now I'm gonna call, gonna call on Legba
Get yourself a sign, get your love and desire

Rompiendo la monotonia del tiempo
Rompiendo la monotonia del tiempou

Singin' Papa Legba, come and open the gate
Papa Legba to the city of camps
Now we're your children, come and ride your horse
In the night, in the night, come and ride your horse

There is a queen of six and sevens and nines
Dust in your garden, poison in your mind
There is a king that will steal your soul
Don't let him catch you don't let him get control

Rompiendo la monotonia del tiempo
Rompiendo la monotonia del tiempo

Papa Legba come and open the gate
Papa Legba to the city of camps
Now we're your children, come and ride your horse
In the night, in the night, come and ride your horse

In the night in the night come and ride your horse
In the night in the night come and ride your horse
In the night in the night come and ride your horse
In the night in the night come and ride your horse

Read more: Talking Heads - Papa Legba Lyrics | MetroLyrics
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 07:23:51 AM
So are we all ready now for a group hug and sing "TheBigYun" is my Champion.
The original OP must be hugging himself in his basement hoping his Mum doesn't find out that he really is an idiot.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
Do you?
And I know you don't so you also bring nothing to this conversation and should not be posting.

Jumping on dispute when all he has done is ask an opinion...well...I do...PhD in mechancial engineering masters in music theory (this one doesn't help much here)

Have been in business for 6 months shy of a decade.

A few things I can comment on in an expert manner...metallurgy research and fuels. I could continue but don't feel like drawing on too long with people such as yourself.

Explain to me how a metal with a density much less, and a rigidity much higher than another metal can cause the failure of the denser metal. If your answer is velocity you are incorrect, as even with the addition of velocity, you get to the point of diminished returns. I am also speaking of direct contact which did not happen here as the air craft would have had to make it past the exoskeleton first before entering the inner skeleton. This is another issue, but ignoring this at the moment.

Explain to me how the FLASH POINT of the fuel, which was not hot enough to destroy the heat coating of the skeleton managed to cause complete failure. This is the flash point, which his how it is used in combustion, maximum amount of oxygen, minimum amount of fuel. As lean as possible without premature detonation. This is not how the fuel reacts in an open environment. This point MIGHT have been briefly achieved during the moment of impact, though I doubt it going by the color of the flame. The burning temp of liquid jet a test fuel is relatively cool comparatively. Also the evap rate is so high, continuous burning of the fuel in an open environment is unlikely. While some liquid will burn while most will be evaporating in a expedited manner. It is also hard to keep the liquid fuel burning in an open environment from the auto ig point of over 400 degrees. This fuel is made NOT to create premature detonation. ALSO, fuel with that high of an evap rate will typically create a HUGE flash fire ball from all the vapor, then settle down, burn off a little of the remaining liquid, then the temp will drop below 400 and it will go out all together. Which is exactly what was witnessed.

The volume of the elevator shafts with the amount of available fuel would have only heated the area up by 275 degrees, the actual impact area by 515 degrees. This would have only been for a time of 10 minutes give or take. This can also be attested to by witnesses a floor or two below that spoke of intense heat, they thought they were gonna get cooked. Then it just went away. Which is exactly why high octane kerosene rich fuel must be enclosed, otherwise it will evaporate. Just go check on a gallon of this fuel in an open environment see how much is left.

Explain to me how a 5 foot long piece of the I beam, we heated to 1500 degrees while applying 2000 tons of pressure (highly exceeding the 400 tons of pressure this one piece would have endured, even a generous doubling of 800 tons). Explain to me why this piece did not fail?? Its rigidity decreased by a factor of two, and strength decreased by 50 percent, still did not fail.

I am done for the moment
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Do you?
And I know you don't so you also bring nothing to this conversation and should not be posting.

Jumping on dispute when all he has done is ask an opinion...well...I do...PhD in mechancial engineering masters in music theory (this one doesn't help much here)

Have been in business for 6 months shy of a decade.

A few things I can comment on in an expert manner...metallurgy research and fuels. I could continue but don't feel like drawing on too long with people such as yourself.

Explain to me how a metal with a density much less, and a rigidity much higher than another metal can cause the failure of the denser metal. If your answer is velocity you are incorrect, as even with the addition of velocity, you get to the point of diminished returns. I am also speaking of direct contact which did not happen here as the air craft would have had to make it past the exoskeleton first before entering the inner skeleton. This is another issue, but ignoring this at the moment.

Explain to me how the FLASH POINT of the fuel, which was not hot enough to destroy the heat coating of the skeleton managed to cause complete failure. This is the flash point, which his how it is used in combustion, maximum amount of oxygen, minimum amount of fuel. As lean as possible without premature detonation. This is not how the fuel reacts in an open environment. This point MIGHT have been briefly achieved during the moment of impact, though I doubt it going by the color of the flame. The burning temp of liquid jet a test fuel is relatively cool comparatively. Also the evap rate is so high, continuous burning of the fuel in an open environment is unlikely. While some liquid will burn while most will be evaporating in a expedited manner. It is also hard to keep the liquid fuel burning in an open environment from the auto ig point of over 400 degrees. This fuel is made NOT to create premature detonation. ALSO, fuel with that high of an evap rate will typically create a HUGE flash fire ball from all the vapor, then settle down, burn off a little of the remaining liquid, then the temp will drop below 400 and it will go out all together. Which is exactly what was witnessed.

The volume of the elevator shafts with the amount of available fuel would have only heated the area up by 275 degrees, the actual impact area by 515 degrees. This would have only been for a time of 10 minutes give or take. This can also be attested to by witnesses a floor or two below that spoke of intense heat, they thought they were gonna get cooked. Then it just went away. Which is exactly why high octane kerosene rich fuel must be enclosed, otherwise it will evaporate. Just go check on a gallon of this fuel in an open environment see how much is left.

Explain to me how a 5 foot long piece of the I beam, we heated to 1500 degrees while applying 2000 tons of pressure (highly exceeding the 400 tons of pressure this one piece would have endured, even a generous doubling of 800 tons). Explain to me why this piece did not fail?? Its rigidity decreased by a factor of two, and strength decreased by 50 percent, still did not fail.

I am done for the moment

No you have done nothing but sprout out rabbit shit.
Again, if you are so clever why have you not written a paper, sent it for peer review and become famous?
I call your bluff Sir and will henceforth refer to you as a cad.
In other words, you are a liar and a wanker.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 11:10:48 AM
Thomas the Tank Engine did 9-11:

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 11:19:57 AM
Do you?
And I know you don't so you also bring nothing to this conversation and should not be posting.

Jumping on dispute when all he has done is ask an opinion...well...I do...PhD in mechancial engineering masters in music theory (this one doesn't help much here)

Have been in business for 6 months shy of a decade.

A few things I can comment on in an expert manner...metallurgy research and fuels. I could continue but don't feel like drawing on too long with people such as yourself.

Explain to me how a metal with a density much less, and a rigidity much higher than another metal can cause the failure of the denser metal. If your answer is velocity you are incorrect, as even with the addition of velocity, you get to the point of diminished returns. I am also speaking of direct contact which did not happen here as the air craft would have had to make it past the exoskeleton first before entering the inner skeleton. This is another issue, but ignoring this at the moment.

Explain to me how the FLASH POINT of the fuel, which was not hot enough to destroy the heat coating of the skeleton managed to cause complete failure. This is the flash point, which his how it is used in combustion, maximum amount of oxygen, minimum amount of fuel. As lean as possible without premature detonation. This is not how the fuel reacts in an open environment. This point MIGHT have been briefly achieved during the moment of impact, though I doubt it going by the color of the flame. The burning temp of liquid jet a test fuel is relatively cool comparatively. Also the evap rate is so high, continuous burning of the fuel in an open environment is unlikely. While some liquid will burn while most will be evaporating in a expedited manner. It is also hard to keep the liquid fuel burning in an open environment from the auto ig point of over 400 degrees. This fuel is made NOT to create premature detonation. ALSO, fuel with that high of an evap rate will typically create a HUGE flash fire ball from all the vapor, then settle down, burn off a little of the remaining liquid, then the temp will drop below 400 and it will go out all together. Which is exactly what was witnessed.

The volume of the elevator shafts with the amount of available fuel would have only heated the area up by 275 degrees, the actual impact area by 515 degrees. This would have only been for a time of 10 minutes give or take. This can also be attested to by witnesses a floor or two below that spoke of intense heat, they thought they were gonna get cooked. Then it just went away. Which is exactly why high octane kerosene rich fuel must be enclosed, otherwise it will evaporate. Just go check on a gallon of this fuel in an open environment see how much is left.

Explain to me how a 5 foot long piece of the I beam, we heated to 1500 degrees while applying 2000 tons of pressure (highly exceeding the 400 tons of pressure this one piece would have endured, even a generous doubling of 800 tons). Explain to me why this piece did not fail?? Its rigidity decreased by a factor of two, and strength decreased by 50 percent, still did not fail.

I am done for the moment

Even your explanation of what happened with metals are copied and pasted and the most damning accusation towards yourself is that you cherry pick.
Now Sir, you call yourself an Engineer do you not? If so you know what is right and wrong and which lines you should never cross.
I AGAIN ask YOU to present your credentials on this forum.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 11:28:11 AM
Thomas the Tank Engine did 9-11:



Ta......
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 11:36:06 AM
No you have done nothing but sprout out rabbit shit.
Again, if you are so clever why have you not written a paper, sent it for peer review and become famous?
I call your bluff Sir and will henceforth refer to you as a cad.
In other words, you are a liar and a wanker.

I have proven a lot here. Why don't you prove you aren't another sad person just posting random things on an internet forum. Anything you have accomplished in life or education or anything to prove your opinion is above others and you can call other people idiots. I can back what I say, have before here many times. I keep offering more things but the nay sayers after a while just go la la la la, I can't hear you. So what's the point?

We submitted everything, many other groups have done the same. There has been public votes, signatures ect ect ect. After the commission report which its own writers said it was bull shit, the government shut everything down. Turning questioning 9 11 into a hate crime equal to racism. They burn you at the stake for it with PR. You are not in the states so you have no room to comment. A recent poll made it on the news a couple years ago saying 40 percent of people polled said they either did not believe the official story, or wanted a new private investigation. It was announced once and never heard a thing about it since. Now its taboo.

Plus my previous post, most of it was barely even college level info. Its not complex whatsoever. The 2 test I mentioned, sure required some specialty equipment, other than that not complex.

As I said I cannot 100 prove who or the why, though I can use educated speculation when viewing all available evidence. Though the circumstantial evidence is so strong, I could not imagine a single court not convicting a person of the same guilt. However, I can 100 percent prove the 3 towers did not come down as the official story told. Magic is not real.

I don't care what people believe and I understand why they don't want to believe some things, I am supportive of that, and I surely do not call them an idiot.

So if you are going to call me an idiot, you better be ready to prove why you are so much more intelligent than I, or so much more successful than I to sit on your judgmental high horse condemning me. So what do you have there genius?


Edit...show me exactly where I copy and pasted any of that from. Show the link dumbass...I know you wont because those are all my own words and calculations.

Edit again.. I have posted up enough so far, look for it. No one ever reciprocates so I am done for the moment 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 11:55:42 AM
I have proven a lot here.

You've proven nothing except that you & Teh Big Yun are a pair of JREF nonces involved in a shitty fake dialectic snore-fest.

I'm the only person on this forum with experience in both building & demolishing large reinforced concrete & steel structures & I already told you the official story, including all footage, is total bullshit.

Everybody in the business knows this; but who you gonna complain to?

The same fuckers that did it?

You know; the ones that are handing out all the biggest contracts?

How do you think that'll work out for your company?

Grow the fuck up & fuck off back to JREF the pair of you.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 12:15:49 PM
THEN DAMN IT PAPA FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE CAN YOU PLEASE ASSIST IN REAL INFORMATION FOR ONCE!!!

If that is something you have a specialty in please say something of use.

The only thing I can say about the footage is I know it is impossible for that grade aluminum to enter the building like a cartoon like that. I don't care how much velocity you have. This is something I can comment on from a 100 percent point of view.

However, I am not a structural engineer, I know quite a bit about it, and the theory, but it is not my profession.


Can I ask just once, please give some information besides just random non sense. If you truly have real experience with these type structures, I really want to hear what you have to say. Please don't reply with a papa response.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: hoppy on June 25, 2016, 12:22:29 PM
You JREF-ers still banging on?

Not noticed nobody's interested in your shit b8-thread yet?

Anyhoo; here's what really happened on teh 9s-1!!!1!!!1!!!!!!:



All Hail Otto!

Although otto does seem like a hero, I fail to see how this adds anything to the discussion.
It's the same thing they showed on TV in 2001. Except it scared the fuck out of you then. Now you think it is a dumb cartoon. The only difference is in the context in which you are viewing it.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 12:31:26 PM
Thank you Papa Legba - this thread should die 'cos it was started by idiots and supported by bigger idiots.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 12:41:39 PM
Thanks Legbot...just another fucking waste from you. I was honestly asking you a question, especially on a subject it seems we both agree on.

As for you Yun....prove something about your fucking self. I have proven enough on here till I get something from someone. I have gotten somethings privately from a few that I will not post out and have reciprocated.

However, until I get something I am done publically, unless you got something you want to share yun to prove you aren't the usual full of shit complete waste of space troll. Then I will surely reconsider and go tit for tat with you. I am even at my shop at this very moment. Perfect place for this possible tit for tat.

So if you are going to call me an idiot, you better be ready to prove why you are so much more intelligent than I, or so much more successful than I to sit on your judgmental high horse condemning me. So what do you have there genius? 

So what do you have?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: hoppy on June 25, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
You sound like you're trying to trade nudy pics, perv. There are probably better websites for that, perv.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 12:53:38 PM
Thanks Legbot...just another fucking waste from you. I was honestly asking you a question, especially on a subject it seems we both agree on.

As for you Yun....prove something about your fucking self. I have proven enough on here till I get something from someone. I have gotten somethings privately from a few that I will not post out and have reciprocated.

However, until I get something I am done publically, unless you got something you want to share yun to prove you aren't the usual full of shit complete waste of space troll. Then I will surely reconsider and go tit for tat with you. I am even at my shop at this very moment. Perfect place for this possible tit for tat.

So if you are going to call me an idiot, you better be ready to prove why you are so much more intelligent than I, or so much more successful than I to sit on your judgmental high horse condemning me. So what do you have there genius? 

So what do you have?

Stop spluttering! That's why people think and know that you are an idiot.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: totallackey on June 25, 2016, 12:57:51 PM
Not one single person has come up with real evidence to prove that 911 was the way the official investigation concluded.
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If you have further information and proof, I'm sure that any major or even minor newspaper in the world would be happy to present your case.
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I'm also sure that there are many lawyers that would be happy to represent you whilst you make your presentation - that is, if you could persuade them that you have any evidence.
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I'm quite open to any argument that says the official report was wrong. (By the way, there was not one report.)
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Question :

If anyone here on this forum has real evidence that 911 was an "Inside Job," why are you not taking your "proof" to your local police station/radio station/newspaper.
I'm sure they would welcome you with open arms as they could potentially make billions out of you expertice and expose all of the bad guys.
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In other words, I'm saying to the original OP of this thread - "Put Up Or Shut UP."

The NIST report for building 7 is bogus, as the methods and equations used for modeling the collapse are unavailable and will not be made available for verification of results by any independent researcher.

I hope all the Bush butt buddies break their fascist cocks off in your ass on top of the sticky gauges...
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 01:23:15 PM
Hijackers - fly big planes into buildings - big fires - buildings fall down.
What the f*ck is not to understand?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 01:31:03 PM
Hijackers - fly big planes into buildings - big fires - buildings fall down.
What the f*ck is not to understand?

Said the prisoner as he was being dragged to the nearest shell-hole for execution...

Shoulda stuck to JREF, nonce.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 01:44:26 PM
Hijackers - fly big planes into buildings - big fires - buildings fall down.
What the f*ck is not to understand?

Said the prisoner as he was being dragged to the nearest shell-hole for execution...

Shoulda stuck to JREF, nonce.

Someone asked me at some time in my life "Where did you come from?"
My reply?
"My Mothers c*nt."
Can you admit the same?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 03:29:42 PM
Stop spluttering! That's why people think and know that you are an idiot.

Just another pathetic internet blow hard whom has done NOTHING in reality. Just a strong wrist, and the lingering smell of smoke, grease and shame.

I have proved enough so far about myself, during my stay here. You have proven nothing about yourself besides your sad disillusions of grandeur. Tit for tat and I will play big guy, if not then fuck off with your non sense, or direct it elsewhere. 

Its only Legba that calls me a shill which is what Legba does and scepti which has his moments depending on his mood. Though I don't think he has ever used the word idiot towards me yet, a few other descriptive non pleasant phrases, mainly along the lines of shill like legbot.

So who is this EVERYBODY??? I have had some very pleasant conversations and exchanging of information and even proofs of things via PM with quite a few members. This sounds like yet another secretion of sad gibberish you cannot prove.

Hijackers - fly big planes into buildings - big fires - buildings fall down.
What the f*ck is not to understand?

Its because it is a lie....physically impossible...magic...I could continue on but no point..

Bye now
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 03:43:33 PM
blowhard

blow hard

The last shill who shamelessly copied my phraseology within one post was the 'luckyfred' sock-ID.

It's natural language was Italian, which tallies with my observations of your grammatical ticks...

You are certainly not a Texan anyway.

I must repeat: your fieldcraft is shockingly sloppy; you are shit at your shit job; you would be shot IRL.

Any chance of fucking off back to JREF now?

Or do we have to keep this farce up a bit longer?

You're the one getting paid for it, so I guess the Lies will continue...
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 04:03:24 PM
blowhard

blow hard

The last shill who shamelessly copied my phraseology within one post was the 'luckyfred' sock-ID.

It's natural language was Italian, which tallies with my observations of your grammatical ticks...

You are certainly not a Texan anyway.

I must repeat: your fieldcraft is shockingly sloppy; you are shit at your shit job; you would be shot IRL.

Any chance of fucking off back to JREF now?

Or do we have to keep this farce up a bit longer?

You're the one getting paid for it, so I guess the Lies will continue...

Since I am the only person who proves shit here I will one more time. Just for you papa...i walked right out side my shop just for you!! If you wait a couple hours I can drive by att stadium on the way home. One less thing for you to be paranoid about.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/o3bth.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on June 25, 2016, 04:07:37 PM
blowhard

blow hard

The last shill who shamelessly copied my phraseology within one post was the 'luckyfred' sock-ID.

It's natural language was Italian, which tallies with my observations of your grammatical ticks...

You are certainly not a Texan anyway.

I must repeat: your fieldcraft is shockingly sloppy; you are shit at your shit job; you would be shot IRL.

Any chance of fucking off back to JREF now?

Or do we have to keep this farce up a bit longer?

You're the one getting paid for it, so I guess the Lies will continue...

Since I am the only person who proves shit here I will one more time. Just for you papa...i walked right out side my shop just for you!! If you wait a couple hours I can drive by att stadium on the way home. One less thing for you to be paranoid about.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/o3bth.jpg)

Are you wearing gloves to hide your identity or you just so happened to be wearing them when you took the picture because of your work or something?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 04:13:05 PM
shill-spoo & such...

Proves nothing & we all know it, BabyAngelcolon.

Oh, & STFU cannon-fodder kid.

Please watch & observe correct procedure concerning respectful dancing for Papa:

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
Are you wearing gloves to hide your identity or you just so happened to be wearing them when you took the picture because of your work or something?

Lol I didn't even think about that, I am so used to wearing them. Yes, I wear gloves almost entirely when I work. Was testing a pump on a pressure cycle that uses jet a1 fuel, and that crap destroys your hands for days without protection. Takes 30 minutes so was entertaining myself I suppose.   
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 04:19:25 PM
Proves nothing & we all know it, BabyAngelcolon.

HA HA HA!!! That right there proves you are a troll. I walked the fuck out side my shop, wrote my freaking screen name on a piece of paper, took a picture of the screen name AND a city sign right in front of my first building that even has the CITY in Texas my business is at, and that is not enough.

You have officially blown my mind. Literally....
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 25, 2016, 04:39:45 PM
I walked the fuck out side my shop, wrote my freaking screen name on a piece of paper, took a picture of the screen name AND a city sign right in front of my first building that even has the CITY in Texas my business is at, and that is not enough.

Shilly bastard.

You have not even told us the name of your business, let alone its address or your own name.

So at best you have a friend that can email you a photo of a random street corner.

Big fucking whoopee.

You are so shit at your shit job.

You sick freak who is also frenat & Conker...

No doubt about that.

Do you not realise that everyone who is not one of your own shill-socks knows you are a mad Liar & a shill?

So who are you talking to & why?

Just fuck off back to JREF okay?

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 25, 2016, 04:55:09 PM
Not one single person has come up with real evidence to prove that 911 was the way the official investigation concluded.

Agreed, did you forget which side you're on? Perhaps we should leave you alone to debate yourself.

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I'm quite open to any argument that says the official report was wrong. (By the way, there was not one report.)

Quote from: hoppy
A couple of sofas and a filing cabinet caught on fire. This obviously weakened the steel beams causing a structural collapse. It's simple. My I.Q. is 132 and I'm a Mensa. 8)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/k5GMWF/1920px_World_Trade_Center_9_11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Vertical_Impact_Locations_svg.png) (https://ibb.co/k5GMWF)


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Immediately following the collapses, there was some confusion about who had the authority to carry out an official investigation. While there are clear procedures for the investigation of aircraft accidents, no agency had been appointed in advance to investigate building collapses.[65] A team was quickly assembled by the Structural Engineers Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers, led by W. Gene Corley, Senior Vice President of CTLGroup. It also involved the American Institute of Steel Construction, the American Concrete Institute, the National Fire Protection Association, and the Society of Fire Protection Engineers.[66] ASCE ultimately invited FEMA to join the investigation, which was completed under the auspices of the latter.[66]

The investigation was criticized by some engineers and lawmakers in the U.S. It had little funding, no authority to demand evidence, and limited access to the WTC site. One major point of contention at the time was that the cleanup of the WTC site was resulting in the destruction of the majority of the buildings' steel components.[67] Indeed, when NIST published its final report, it noted "the scarcity of physical evidence" that it had had at its disposal to investigate the collapses. Only a fraction of a percent of the buildings remained for analysis after the cleanup was completed: some 236 individual pieces of steel, although 95% of structural beams and plates and 50% of the reinforcement bars were recovered.[68]

FEMA published its report in May 2002. While NIST had already announced its intention to investigate the collapses in August of the same year, by September 11, 2002 (a year after the disaster), there was growing public pressure for a more thorough investigation.[69] Congress passed the National Construction Safety Team bill in October 2002, giving NIST the authority to conduct an investigation of the World Trade Center collapses.[70]

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The large quantity of jet fuel carried by each aircraft ignited upon impact into each building. A significant portion of this fuel was consumed immediately in the ensuing fireballs. The remaining fuel is believed either to have flowed down through the buildings or to have burned off within a few minutes of the aircraft impact. The heat produced by this burning jet fuel does not by itself appear to have been sufficient to initiate the structural collapses. However, as the burning jet fuel spread across several floors of the buildings, it ignited much of the buildings’ contents, ((Hoppy was right)) causing simultaneous fires across several floors of both buildings. The heat output from these fires is estimated to have been comparable to the power produced by a large commercial power generating station. Over a period of many minutes, this heat induced additional stresses into the damaged structural frames while simultaneously softening and weakening these frames. This additional loading and the resulting damage were sufficient to induce the collapse of both structures.[75]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center

From the official story. Says the jets wouldn't have caused the buildings to collapse.

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In other words, I'm saying to the original OP of this thread - "Put Up Or Shut UP."

This is the OP, please learn to read.
Or do you find asking questions scary and offensive?

Thought we could dicuss a different conspiracy theory here for a change.

What are your opinions on 9/11, what evidence led you to that opinion?

Also what are your thoughts on FET as a psyop to discredit all conspiracy theories? Such as 9/11 and Diana's death

I'll post more this afternoon when I have more time.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: hoppy on June 25, 2016, 06:07:06 PM
If bhs wasn't in Italy, he would know people in Texas don't wear gloves in the summer. Dummy.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 25, 2016, 06:28:40 PM
I am worried about yall. This isn't healthy. I already explained about the nic gloves ,and it is hot as fuck here. Usually my gloves are full of water completely in a 10 minutes. Just drips down my arms .

I sent a picture to show i was in Texas because papa keeps saying I am not Texan. I figured that would do it....guess not.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 25, 2016, 11:54:36 PM
Are you lot of penguins still arguing about 911?
What a waste of time - give up.
You are all to stupid to understand what happened that day.
Idiots, especially  "BabyIdiot" who wears gloves so he doesn't leave finger prints or DNA when he abuses himself.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Kami on June 26, 2016, 01:17:15 AM
Are you lot of penguins still arguing about 911?
What a waste of time - give up.
You are all to stupid to understand what happened that day.
Idiots, especially  "BabyIdiot" who wears gloves so he doesn't leave finger prints or DNA when he abuses himself.
To be honest, 9/11 is the most reasonable conspiracy that I have seen on this site.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 26, 2016, 01:21:14 AM
Are you wearing gloves to hide your identity or you just so happened to be wearing them when you took the picture because of your work or something?

Lol I didn't even think about that, I am so used to wearing them. Yes, I wear gloves almost entirely when I work. Was testing a pump on a pressure cycle that uses jet a1 fuel, and that crap destroys your hands for days without protection. Takes 30 minutes so was entertaining myself I suppose.
And you decided to write Baby High speed on paper with your gloves on?  :P
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 26, 2016, 02:28:38 AM
Are you lot of penguins still arguing about 911?
What a waste of time - give up.
You are all to stupid to understand what happened that day.
Idiots, especially  "BabyIdiot" who wears gloves so he doesn't leave finger prints or DNA when he abuses himself.

Fuck you Big Yun, hit me up if your in Aus, I'm done with this site, have fun debating whether the earth is flat or not, lol.

82 molloy circuit Atwell 6164

Edit Australia WA.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: disputeone on June 26, 2016, 02:35:06 AM
Come visit me tough guy, or pm your address.

You eat guys like me for breakfast.

I'll gladly meet you for breakfast you tool of the state.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 26, 2016, 02:43:21 AM
Come visit me tough guy, or pm your address.

You eat guys like me for breakfast.

I'll gladly meet you for breakfast you tool of the state.
Looks like you lost the plot.
Your problem is in arguing in favour of a conspiracy in terms of 9/11. If that's the case then you also must have many other conspiracies within you that you do not accept officially.
This "should" open your eyes to the distinct "probability" that you are also being lied to about where you live, in terms of your existence on whatever Earth actually is.

Maybe start a new chapter in your life and start actually using your own head to look at alternatives instead of following the masses which you did when you first joined up.
Maybe you're a shill or whatever. It's hard to tell on here with many because the place is saturated with round Earth playing flat and vice versa.

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 26, 2016, 03:58:55 AM
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.

I know late to the party, been busy of late. Space Cowgirl, your sarcastic the fuel cannot melt steel sadly the major straw man argument, posed by parrots and those that failed high school chemistry.

They gab that little fact, but ignore that more than fuel was burning.

The aircrafts were made of magnesium and aluminum, both metals will burn, and the fuel was more than enough to catch either metal on fire. Magnesium burns at 5,610 degrees, aluminum burns even hotter at 6,920 degrees. But that is not the end of it. The building's Fire Suppression system made it worse, by dumping water on the burning metals. Two parts hydrogen, a fuel, and one part oxygen, an oxidizer.  One of the metals burning was hot enough to melt the steel, but the fuel, two burning metals and extra fuel and oxidizer, made sure the steel trusses would fail.

And all it took was one truss to give way. There is a huge amount of energy in just a single floor. And something like 24 floors were above the one that failed. All that energy went straight down, and nothing below it was going stop all that energy. Like attempting to stop a anti-tank round with a wave of your hand.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 26, 2016, 05:49:50 AM
How did this burning fuel melt the concrete?

You know; the quite extraordinarily durable substance that all the steel beams were encased in?

Cos I've never seen concrete melt...

And it takes a hell of a lot of energy to smash it off too; it really is strong stuff.

You'd know this if you'd ever had to demolish a reinforced concrete structure...

But you haven't, so here you are shilling witless sci-fi garbage about shit you know fuck-all about all over the forum.

As usual.

Anyhoo; Shrek did 9-11, in order to save Adolf Hitler from terrorists so that he could go on to be the world's #1 Pokemon Master...

Here are the details:


Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 26, 2016, 08:06:06 AM
All the idiots are still self abusing themselves over 911.
Not one of you has any shred of evidence to prove that the official report is wrong.
Come on dickheads - the world is awaiting - with bated breath I must say - for you to come out of your Mothers basement. take off the tin foil hat, and show us how YOU have cracked open what really happened on 911.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 26, 2016, 09:02:26 AM

You have not even told us the name of your business, let alone its address or your own name.

I can do this, but what would it do? You would just say that is not me, or my company ect. What constitutes as quality evidence so it can be done right?



Lol I didn't even think about that, I am so used to wearing them. Yes, I wear gloves almost entirely when I work. Was testing a pump on a pressure cycle that uses jet a1 fuel, and that crap destroys your hands for days without protection. Takes 30 minutes so was entertaining myself I suppose.
And you decided to write Baby High speed on paper with your gloves on?  :P
Well I am sorry, I did not know this was going on become the great glove conspiracy. I didn't even think about it. If need to use the phone ect I pull my right glove off usually. Either just throw it away, or put it by one of the fans or porta cool to let it dry off inside ( since it reverses when I pull it off) depends on what I am working with. This is why I as using my phone with my right hand as well as wrote on the paper.....sigh..

All the idiots are still self abusing themselves over 911.
Not one of you has any shred of evidence to prove that the official report is wrong.
Come on dickheads - the world is awaiting - with bated breath I must say - for you to come out of your Mothers basement. take off the tin foil hat, and show us how YOU have cracked open what really happened on 911.

Just another pathetic internet no body, casting judgement on other when he has no room to even choose his own clothing much less cast judgement on another over something he has no understanding of.

As I said prove something about your self, if not then piss off and get back to your brainless job if you could even find employment.

I am not saying I know it all and can promise the who and why, though strong circumstantial evidence points to the answer. However, I can say 100 percent those buildings did not come down as they said.

You have a doctorate mechanical engineer who has had his own business for close to a decade doing such a thing. Was also on a team a while back that worked on the exact subject for many years. You just heard from someone who used to demolish these structures, and this is the first time I have actually seen info like that come from Legba, so I think he is serious.

Either case both of these highly exceed the profession of French fry toss. So until you can prove something that shows you are anything but a pathetic internet loser, then piss off. I don't care about other opinions, but if someone calls me an idiot for it they better be prepared to show me who they are and why they can judge me.

All you have shown so far is to be a pathetic worthless no body.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 26, 2016, 09:12:02 AM
How did this burning fuel melt the concrete?

You know; the quite extraordinarily durable substance that all the steel beams were encased in?

Cos I've never seen concrete melt...

And it takes a hell of a lot of energy to smash it off too; it really is strong stuff.

You'd know this if you'd ever had to demolish a reinforced concrete structure...

But you haven't, so here you are shilling witless sci-fi garbage about shit you know fuck-all about all over the forum.

As usual.

Anyhoo; Shrek did 9-11, in order to save Adolf Hitler from terrorists so that he could go on to be the world's #1 Pokemon Master...

Here are the details:



Good morning Papa Sh!t for Brains.

The floor were indeed re-enforect concrete, SITTING on sheet steel attached to steel trusses sprayed with foam insulation.

The 92 steel trusses per floor were bolted to the inner and outer columns with TWO 5/8 inch steel bolts on each, 184 bolts for each floor. And each floor, sans ANY furnishing and other office equipment, weigh approximately 4,500 TONS.

Yes there where welds to help each truss, and we know steel melts at just 1/3 of the  known temperature of the burning planes. So the welds were as helpful as cooked pasta.

So S!@t for brains, just how long can 184 5/8 inch steel bolts, last while holding approximately 4,500 tons, without failing in more than 6,900 degree fire?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 26, 2016, 09:35:21 AM
It was all reinforced concrete you dick.

And concrete does not melt, is very durable & is also an excellent insulator.

So all the steel in the building was protected from direct contact with your imaginary jet-fuel, aluminium & magnesium fires.

Try learning how these buildings are constructed before spouting your sci-fi bullshit in future, Arthur C Clarke.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 26, 2016, 09:52:33 AM
I hate it when people who read something or dream something make comments who don't actually work in the field.

Al/mag if ignited can reach a brief temp of little over 5000 degrees f I have no idea where you get your numbers at. When I say brief I say brief, typically it's a brief flash. It is very hard to keep that metal burning in an open environment just like the jet fuel. It did not even reach a high enough temp to ignite the metal. As I have said before liquid jet a burning is relative cool. It's the lean flash of the vapor that can create heat (which is how it's burned in combustion), it it's flash is not dense enough nor transfer heat fast enough to heat something up to that temp. Not to mention the cubic size of the area the plane was in. The area it was able to get into like a a cartoon, even though it's structure was many times weaker, many times rigid and brittle, many times less mass. Oh that's right add velocity that fixes everything....but then if you add velocity you add dispersement under impact when it reaches a certain threshold. Actually, I don't care my heart is not in this one. This site is very depressing.

Believe what you want....want to keep your eyes and ears closed go ahead. Want to believe in magic go ahead. Want to believe a desk on fire can bring down 7 go ahead. Not to mention when building 6 half of the damn thing was destroyed yet it stood. Oh wait it must not have had that damn desk in it like the other ones.

Or let's believe an entire self-referential report that even it's authors call bull shit, that will not release ONE of its 100 pages of "sources". Relies on magic and violated almost every law of physics and chemistry. Or ignore the fucking designer himself of the building who PLANNED for such a possible event. Who himself said there would be alot of death, alot of fire for a little bit, but the buildings would stand.

This is just too easy to keep going on and on with. It feels almost infinite. As I said believe whatever the hell you want
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 26, 2016, 10:04:39 AM
I hate it when people who read something or dream something make comments who don't actually work in the field.

Al/mag if ignited can reach a brief temp of little over 5000 degrees f I have no idea where you get your numbers at. When I say brief I say brief, typically it's a brief flash. It is very hard to keep that metal burning in an open environment just like the jet fuel. It did not even reach a high enough temp to ignite the metal. As I have said before liquid jet a burning is relative cool. It's the lean flash of the vapor that can create heat (which is how it's burned in combustion), it it's flash is not dense enough nor transfer heat fast enough to heat something up to that temp. Not to mention the cubic size of the area the plane was in. The area it was able to get into like a a cartoon, even though it's structure was many times weaker, many times rigid and brittle, many times less mass. Oh that's right add velocity that fixes everything....but then if you add velocity you add dispersement under impact when it reaches a certain threshold. Actually, I don't care my heart is not in this one. This site is very depressing.

Believe what you want....want to keep your eyes and ears closed go ahead. Want to believe in magic go ahead. Want to believe a desk on fire can bring down 7 go ahead. Not to mention when building 6 half of the damn thing was destroyed yet it stood. Oh wait it must not have had that damn desk in it like the other ones.

Or let's believe an entire self-referential report that even it's authors call bull shit, that will not release ONE of its 100 pages of "sources". Relies on magic and violated almost every law of physics and chemistry. Or ignore the fucking designer himself of the building who PLANNED for such a possible event. Who himself said there would be alot of death, alot of fire for a little bit, but the buildings would stand.

This is just too easy to keep going on and on with. It feels almost infinite. As I said believe whatever the hell you want

Hey Baby, put your money where your mouth is and submit your evidence.
What are you afraid of?
Being called an idiot?
Come on idiot, put up or shut up?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on June 26, 2016, 10:37:23 AM
I feel responsible for starting the glove conspiracy. Sorry Babyhighspeed, but boy do people get worked up over nothing.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: TheBigYun on June 26, 2016, 11:14:08 AM
I feel responsible for starting the glove conspiracy. Sorry Babyhighspeed, but boy do people get worked up over nothing.

So you where hand in glove together?
Who used the hand and who wore the glove?
Kinky hey....
Rather piss off from this forum and get a room together.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Rama Set on June 26, 2016, 11:32:14 AM
@babyhighspeed-have you ever debated with a mechanical engineer who believes the official story?  I would be interested in reading such a thread.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on June 26, 2016, 11:57:14 AM
I feel responsible for starting the glove conspiracy. Sorry Babyhighspeed, but boy do people get worked up over nothing.

So you where hand in glove together?
Who used the hand and who wore the glove?
Kinky hey....
Rather piss off from this forum and get a room together.

No, we are not together. We aren't even in the same state. When he posted the pic of his name I asked him why does he has a glove on and the ball rolled from there.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 26, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
You just heard from someone who used to demolish these structures

What do you mean 'used to'?

I was on a refurb job only last week where we had to open up some reinforced concrete walls & it was the usual fucking nightmare.

And they were only 6" thick, reinforced with 1/2" rebar spaced at 4" intervals...

Most people have no idea how strong that stuff is or the sheer amount of energy it's capable of absorbing without significant damage.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 26, 2016, 02:35:49 PM
It was all reinforced concrete you dick.

And concrete does not melt, is very durable & is also an excellent insulator.

So all the steel in the building was protected from direct contact with your imaginary jet-fuel, aluminium & magnesium fires.

Try learning how these buildings are constructed before spouting your sci-fi bullshit in future, Arthur C Clarke.

First off King of all the Morons, I never said the concrete melted. I didn't even dress the the heat damage ANY fire would cause. Have your mommy read to you what I DID say, and get back to me.

Next Google or Bing the construction used on WTC Towers. The steel trusses were NOT encased in concrete.

From  a simple easy (well not for you it seems) Google search;

The large, column-free space between the perimeter and core was bridged by prefabricated floor trusses. The floors supported their own weight, as well as live loads, provided lateral stability to the exterior walls, and distributed wind loads among the exterior walls. The floors consisted of 4-inch (10 cm) thick lightweight concrete slabs laid on a fluted steel deck with shear connections for composite action A grid of lightweight bridging trusses and main trusses supported the floors. The trusses had a span of 60 feet (18 m) in the long-span areas and 35 feet (11 m) in the short span area. The trusses connected to the perimeter at alternate columns, and were on 6-foot-8-inch (2.03 m) centers. The top chords of the trusses were bolted to seats welded to the spandrels on the exterior side and a channel welded to the core columns on the interior side.

As for the fire. Are you seriously going to say there was no fire? Put down the crack pipe son, and get some help. Then go to any machine shop, hell go to the local school and ask the shop teacher about a magnesium or aluminum fire.My dad was a machinist, as were 2 neighbors. A metal fire is NO joke.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 26, 2016, 02:48:48 PM
I hate it when people who read something or dream something make comments who don't actually work in the field.

Al/mag if ignited can reach a brief temp of little over 5000 degrees f I have no idea where you get your numbers at. When I say brief I say brief, typically it's a brief flash. It is very hard to keep that metal burning in an open environment just like the jet fuel. It did not even reach a high enough temp to ignite the metal. As I have said before liquid jet a burning is relative cool. It's the lean flash of the vapor that can create heat (which is how it's burned in combustion), it it's flash is not dense enough nor transfer heat fast enough to heat something up to that temp. Not to mention the cubic size of the area the plane was in. The area it was able to get into like a a cartoon, even though it's structure was many times weaker, many times rigid and brittle, many times less mass. Oh that's right add velocity that fixes everything....but then if you add velocity you add dispersement under impact when it reaches a certain threshold. Actually, I don't care my heart is not in this one. This site is very depressing.

Believe what you want....want to keep your eyes and ears closed go ahead. Want to believe in magic go ahead. Want to believe a desk on fire can bring down 7 go ahead. Not to mention when building 6 half of the damn thing was destroyed yet it stood. Oh wait it must not have had that damn desk in it like the other ones.

Or let's believe an entire self-referential report that even it's authors call bull shit, that will not release ONE of its 100 pages of "sources". Relies on magic and violated almost every law of physics and chemistry. Or ignore the fucking designer himself of the building who PLANNED for such a possible event. Who himself said there would be alot of death, alot of fire for a little bit, but the buildings would stand.

This is just too easy to keep going on and on with. It feels almost infinite. As I said believe whatever the hell you want

I remember the temps from listening to my dad and two neighbors, all three machinist, working for North American Rockwell. but as that was some 40+ years ago, I availed myself the use of the internet and did some checking on the temps. And YEP I remembered them correctly.

Brief peaks? Long enough to completely destroy a lathe or drill press and other machines.

One thing about me, when I post something, bet the farm I have done some research on it, even if I KNOW I have the facts right, I am still going to look it up to make sure.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 26, 2016, 03:55:34 PM


I remember the temps from listening to my dad and two neighbors, all three machinist, working for North American Rockwell. but as that was some 40+ years ago, I availed myself the use of the internet and did some checking on the temps. And YEP I remembered them correctly.

Brief peaks? Long enough to completely destroy a lathe or drill press and other machines.

One thing about me, when I post something, bet the farm I have done some research on it, even if I KNOW I have the facts right, I am still going to look it up to make sure.

Eves dropping and actually being a part of the industry is two different things. You are not going to reach 6000+ degrees I am sorry. Tops MAYBE 5600. Even our fire suppression system which is checked by the city every month would not pass code for that temp. This is what happens when you know enough to not know anything.

The open burn temps for liquid jet a fuel which I keep saying is very low (550 or so f) is not near enough to ignite the Al/mag the 747 was made from. Which is around 1200/1400 degrees, this has to be core temp. A brief flash will not transfer enough heat. This is also close to the melting temp of the metal. I am also assuming you have never seen this material on fire. It is bright, so bright, the few we had, if we didn't have auto fire suppression we would be in trouble, you can't see well at all inside a closed building. If this reaction was occurring in the building then everyone would have saw. Also the fire fighters that made it up there would not have said the fire was under control just a few small fires. They would have said "holy shit we have a metal fire and there is water pouring on it!!!" They are fire fighters, I think they would know a metal fire. Plus have you ever been around 5000 degree fire?? It is intolerable. It burns more so without "burning" if that makes since.

This is also assuming the plane just magically made its way through the structure intact. Watch the slow motion video, the place disappears in the structure without even making a hole. Do you know how that britel rigid material response when hitting a much more dense, less rigid material ?? It shatters, that was just a few of the test we preformed even though unnecessary, as any second year student could tell you that with out such an experiment.

The majority of the mass of the plane would have been seen being shed outside the structure as it tried to penetrate the concrete and beams facing it's trajectory. Then whatever shards of material did make it through would have been deflected by the structures center I beams. Yet on slow motion video you see the nose just pop out the other side completely un touched. Magic

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 26, 2016, 04:11:05 PM
@babyhighspeed-have you ever debated with a mechanical engineer who believes the official story?  I would be interested in reading such a thread.

Occasionally..when I was part of the group I refer to, usually the debate would be as a group, and I would just cover my areas of expertise. More of the one on one debates I would witness would be between structural engineers. Or between pilots on the impossible maneuvers (especially for people who flunked at a Cessna) at the world trade centers or especially the Pentagon, or the magic wreck of the other airlines.

Typically my arguments with REAL mechanical engineers, not just internet readers would end like this. "You have a point, though I don't know the entire details so I am not commenting further" sometimes they would want to join to learn further as well. My direct debates with people in my field, we attempt to stay within our realm and leave speculation out.

As I could tell you the entire blue prints of the building and how it supported it self regularly and the fail-safes it had in case of failure in parts of the structure. Or I could tell you about the fake business, the insurance fraud, the impossibility of the building going from 70 percent empty to 10 percent in 9 months. Or how the buildings went to a private entity couple months before this, how paper work was approved that covered this direct situation and kept the owner in control of the land even with an insurance pay out. However, all of this was research done by one of the structural engineers or probate lawyers in the group.

However, I can tell you every damn material in the building, as well as on the air craft as well as the fuel ect. That was my wheel house.

I can also tell you, I had never been audited before in my life, yet after we released the findings and presented to the government and public. I have been audited every single year afterwards, despite 3 of the years it was found I over paid and they owed me. I also have a few other peculiar targeting as a business entity and on the personal level as well. Coincidences?? Possibility, it surely is plausible, however, I have never been a big fan of coincidences.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 26, 2016, 10:48:14 PM
The large, column-free space between the perimeter and core was bridged by prefabricated floor trusses.

So you admit the floors had 4" of concrete protecting them.

Good.

Now tell us more about the perimeter & core...

Was there concrete in them too, perhaps?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 27, 2016, 12:23:05 AM
Does the core really matter at the moment? I mean there are so many issues wrong with the story it's hard to stay focused. Let's just look at the video evidence in slow motion. Apparently aluminum can penetrate 200+ feet of multiple floors, of horizontal multiple inches of reinforced concrete, steel trusses, then monster steel I beams made to flex and pop it's head out the other side unscathed like a jack in the box. Actually slow motion shows it entering the building completely without so much of a mark to the building or anything for a brief second.

Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to break through reinforced concrete when attempting long wise?? 200+feet of it?? Ignoring the core and exo skeleton completely ...just explain that to me, multiple floors at that. I am attempting to remain complete non science here, so making the terms as simple as possible.

By this logic, the world's biggest wrecking ball, swung by the world's largest crane should be able to break through a similar building from one side all the way through to the other with one fatal swing. However, I can promise you it wouldn't even get a 10th towards the center, much less the other side.

Not to mention "everything has vaporized" including all the equipment and materials in the buildings, the planes, the Pentagon plane, the wreck in the field ect ect.

Ugh I am sorry there literally is too much material wrong I cannot stay on topic.

I could use math, experiments, my expert opinion on my field, others expert opinions in their fields, eye witnesses, science ,evidence ect ect ect.

However, let's just use logic of the mind.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 27, 2016, 12:52:30 AM
Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to break through reinforced concrete when attempting long wise??

Erm, yes; I'm the person who first mentioned it in fact...

And how is the core unimportant?

I've never seen anything like it outside of bomb-proof military structures.

The perimeter was ridiculously over-engineered too; the whole building was like a bunker.

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 27, 2016, 01:20:45 AM
Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to break through reinforced concrete when attempting long wise??

Erm, yes; I'm the person who first mentioned it in fact...

And how is the core unimportant?

I've never seen anything like it outside of bomb-proof military structures.

The perimeter was ridiculously over-engineered too; the whole building was like a bunker.

I was more so talking to round with that comment.  The reason I was leaving the core alone at the moment, to try and focus on one item at hand as I get very ADD with this. There is just too many problems. I would actually like to do the math on how much energy and density it would take for a blunt un heated object of that size to literally go through that many floors, exo skeleton, the core and out the other end.

I have personally got to do experiments with a group working with a 60,000 ton press, and have yet to make anything vaporize. Even though there would not be near that pressure per square inch in the falling towers. The free falling ones by the way.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 27, 2016, 01:50:27 AM
I would actually like to do the math on how much energy and density it would take for a blunt un heated object of that size to literally go through that many floors, exo skeleton, the core and out the other end.

For a start the blunt object would have to be made of solid tungsten/depleted uranium or suchlike to be capable of piercing such a structure.

Looking at muzzle velocities of anti-tank guns which fire similar projectiles of similar performance I'd say it would need to be travelling at least 800m/s, or 1800 mph.

So basically shitloads more energy & density than your average airliner could possibly have.

You want to do any more math than that you're welcome...

I know for a fact that the whole official story of 9-11 is total bullshit.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 27, 2016, 02:09:02 AM
An airliner could not achieve 500 mph at 1000 feet without disintegrating. It's pointless anyway because no planes went into any buildings.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 27, 2016, 02:16:28 AM
This is for round and proud. I am digging around just bit to old communications. Here is a little from someone in the group I worked in. HE is actually a structural engineer, masters, 27 years experience. A little dialogue of inner communications.

This also explains a little what I as trying to explain on how steel flexes as well as disperses temperature.

Quote
Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the flames—just as the handle on a frying pan doesn’t get hot at the same rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and stiffness.

Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, “if” the structure in the vicinity … started to weaken, the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless, the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper floors to one side, not a concentric, vertical collapse.

This was in a conversation if the building were to collapse from a localized fire.


As for what you said Legba, I agree. I have tried to explain to people that velocity only means so much to a brittle and rigid metal against an extremely more dense and less rigid metal. This is from simple math and physics, as well as test I did for the simple wow factor to attempt to explain to those that didn't understand. This was firing at direct carbon steel, not at reinforced thick concrete with trusses in it.

I just wish I knew for a fact how they were brought down. I can prove 100 percent they were not brought down as said, I just can't prove how they really were. I really don't think thermite, as it is unpredictable especially when using magnesium or zinc as fuel. Not to mention it is hard to get that stuff to hold temp long enough to cut such thick steel, especially evenly at the same time as the other beams. I have very little experience with it, though I made some of my own at one point to understand on a first hand. I don't find it feasible, however as said, I am no expert with the reaction.

All I know is something hot as fuck was involved to burn a month after the actual collapse .
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 27, 2016, 02:23:24 AM
An airliner could not achieve 500 mph at 1000 feet without disintegrating. It's pointless anyway because no planes went into any buildings.

Absolutely, especially with pilots that could not even handle a Cessna. So what was it then??? Something hit them, many many people said they saw something, though it varied from a black big air plane, to military fighter, to missle ect ect.

The thing that pisses me off is I can prove without a doubt they did not fall as said. This is only using my expertise, add the others and the case gets easier. However , I can't prove what really happened. And with my experience with metals, I can think of no known technology or reactions that could keep carbon steel in its liquid or close to liquid form after a month.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 27, 2016, 02:54:23 AM
I just wish I knew for a fact how they were brought down. I can prove 100 percent they were not brought down as said, I just can't prove how they really were. I really don't think thermite, as it is unpredictable especially when using magnesium or zinc as fuel.

Standard shaped charges. Just a lot of them, detonated very precisely.

Don't see why thermite would be used so think tales of heat lingering for weeks are bullshit.

But it was an enormous, very complex, demolition job which would have taken months to prepare & required a lot of materials & expertise.

The only people who could possibly be responsible are the US military, with the full knowledge of the Pentagon.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sceptimatic on June 27, 2016, 05:48:41 AM
An airliner could not achieve 500 mph at 1000 feet without disintegrating. It's pointless anyway because no planes went into any buildings.

Absolutely, especially with pilots that could not even handle a Cessna. So what was it then??? Something hit them, many many people said they saw something, though it varied from a black big air plane, to military fighter, to missle ect ect.

The thing that pisses me off is I can prove without a doubt they did not fall as said. This is only using my expertise, add the others and the case gets easier. However , I can't prove what really happened. And with my experience with metals, I can think of no known technology or reactions that could keep carbon steel in its liquid or close to liquid form after a month.
The towers came down. We know planes did not do it and we know pockets of fires did not do it; so what's left?
Simple answer and most probable is controlled demolition.
Questions asked about this.

If it was controlled demolition then how did they manage to achieve this in such a short time without anyone noticing.
Answer in all probability: Because those buildings were white Elephants. They were scarcely populated and many floors were cleared out. Basically derelict.

To the outsider walking past, or people like us; we are none the wiser for what's going on inside, or even how many businesses actually run inside.
Absolutely piss easy to rig these buildings for demo, over time, because nobody would have access to the floors being primed. And certainly wouldn't have access to internal space of the central steel core columns that would have had cutter charges on the beams diagonally placed to make the building shear in a zig zag fashion as the rest of the controlled demo coincided with those charges.

It's all about best guesswork and that's all of us can do for the actual reality of what happened.
We don't need to guess about planes because planes are not made of butter and they are not solid steel missiles, so they're not going to melt into huge steel framed buildings. Anyone with even a small amount of common sense will know this.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 27, 2016, 07:44:45 AM


I remember the temps from listening to my dad and two neighbors, all three machinist, working for North American Rockwell. but as that was some 40+ years ago, I availed myself the use of the internet and did some checking on the temps. And YEP I remembered them correctly.

Brief peaks? Long enough to completely destroy a lathe or drill press and other machines.

One thing about me, when I post something, bet the farm I have done some research on it, even if I KNOW I have the facts right, I am still going to look it up to make sure.

Eves dropping and actually being a part of the industry is two different things. You are not going to reach 6000+ degrees I am sorry. Tops MAYBE 5600. Even our fire suppression system which is checked by the city every month would not pass code for that temp. This is what happens when you know enough to not know anything.

The open burn temps for liquid jet a fuel which I keep saying is very low (550 or so f) is not near enough to ignite the Al/mag the 747 was made from. Which is around 1200/1400 degrees, this has to be core temp. A brief flash will not transfer enough heat. This is also close to the melting temp of the metal. I am also assuming you have never seen this material on fire. It is bright, so bright, the few we had, if we didn't have auto fire suppression we would be in trouble, you can't see well at all inside a closed building. If this reaction was occurring in the building then everyone would have saw. Also the fire fighters that made it up there would not have said the fire was under control just a few small fires. They would have said "holy shit we have a metal fire and there is water pouring on it!!!" They are fire fighters, I think they would know a metal fire. Plus have you ever been around 5000 degree fire?? It is intolerable. It burns more so without "burning" if that makes since.

This is also assuming the plane just magically made its way through the structure intact. Watch the slow motion video, the place disappears in the structure without even making a hole. Do you know how that britel rigid material response when hitting a much more dense, less rigid material ?? It shatters, that was just a few of the test we preformed even though unnecessary, as any second year student could tell you that with out such an experiment.

The majority of the mass of the plane would have been seen being shed outside the structure as it tried to penetrate the concrete and beams facing it's trajectory. Then whatever shards of material did make it through would have been deflected by the structures center I beams. Yet on slow motion video you see the nose just pop out the other side completely un touched. Magic

United State Air Force AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code) 43251C 1973 through 1976. I'll save you Google time, Jet Aircraft Mech, 1 and 2 Engine Aircraft.

As for the plane penetrating the building;


Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 27, 2016, 07:59:28 AM
The large, column-free space between the perimeter and core was bridged by prefabricated floor trusses.

So you admit the floors had 4" of concrete protecting them.

Good.

Now tell us more about the perimeter & core...

Was there concrete in them too, perhaps?

Papa Sh!t For Brains, please read the ENITRE paragraph. It said, and I said no such thing. I know reading is hard for you, but TRY. The concrete was SITTING on steel sheeting SITTING on steel trusses. The actual concrete floor was just 4 inches of LIGHT WEIGHT concrete poured on TOP of the sheeting. The floor trusses were not in, or on the poured concrete floor.

I know you like to carefully choose what to ignore to make your point, but it is now coming off as thought your IQ is just a tad lower than dysfunctional moron.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 27, 2016, 08:18:14 AM
An airliner could not achieve 500 mph at 1000 feet without disintegrating. It's pointless anyway because no planes went into any buildings.

Absolutely, especially with pilots that could not even handle a Cessna. So what was it then??? Something hit them, many many people said they saw something, though it varied from a black big air plane, to military fighter, to missle ect ect.

The thing that pisses me off is I can prove without a doubt they did not fall as said. This is only using my expertise, add the others and the case gets easier. However , I can't prove what really happened. And with my experience with metals, I can think of no known technology or reactions that could keep carbon steel in its liquid or close to liquid form after a month.
The towers came down. We know planes did not do it and we know pockets of fires did not do it; so what's left?
Simple answer and most probable is controlled demolition.
Questions asked about this.

If it was controlled demolition then how did they manage to achieve this in such a short time without anyone noticing.
Answer in all probability: Because those buildings were white Elephants. They were scarcely populated and many floors were cleared out. Basically derelict.

To the outsider walking past, or people like us; we are none the wiser for what's going on inside, or even how many businesses actually run inside.
Absolutely piss easy to rig these buildings for demo, over time, because nobody would have access to the floors being primed. And certainly wouldn't have access to internal space of the central steel core columns that would have had cutter charges on the beams diagonally placed to make the building shear in a zig zag fashion as the rest of the controlled demo coincided with those charges.

It's all about best guesswork and that's all of us can do for the actual reality of what happened.
We don't need to guess about planes because planes are not made of butter and they are not solid steel missiles, so they're not going to melt into huge steel framed buildings. Anyone with even a small amount of common sense will know this.

So where are the planes? Where are the crew? Where are passengers? Who made the cell calls so convincing,that even family members were completely fooled?

for the record, my youngest daughter worked HR at American Airlines. She was supposed to be flying to a big meeting out of NYC that morning, and it wasn't until after 6pm that she called saying she was safe. She KNEW everyone of the American Crew members that were murdered that day. She had to help put together what took place.

My employment at the time was with DoD, we lost friends in DC that day. You can play games with what happened, but that is all they are, games. Games that dishonor those that died. Games that make fun of the terror of not knowing where your loved one was, and  being scared shitless each time the phone rang that day.

Then the relief, and joy, all of you are incapable of understanding, when in answering the phone, you hear, "Daddy?" 

I am not taking a shot at you, because you can't grasp that relief and joy. It is just a simple fact. And I pray you will NEVER be in a situation where you might have that understanding. The price is too high.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 27, 2016, 09:10:01 AM
tl;dr bullshit from a propaganda-spamming ex-military bean-counter sci-fi hack shill.

Don't tell me how my own profession works, dickhead.

I've explained all you need to know.

Now STFU & GTFO.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 27, 2016, 11:39:24 AM
tl;dr bullshit from a propaganda-spamming ex-military bean-counter sci-fi hack shill.

Don't tell me how my own profession works, dickhead.

I've explained all you need to know.

Now STFU & GTFO.

Well who didn't see that response coming.

Why should I believe that is your job? You don't believe anyone here, so why should I believe you?

I think you just googles a bunch of BS to cut and paste
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 27, 2016, 11:42:20 AM
The US military obviously did 9-11.

You were in the US military.

Now you are here telling us the US military did not do 9-11.

Cool.

Fucking.

Story...

Bro.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 27, 2016, 12:23:59 PM
The US military obviously did 9-11.

You were in the US military.

Now you are here telling us the US military did not do 9-11.

Cool.

Fucking.

Story...

Bro.

Show of hands, who didn't see that coming from Papa Legba? I'll admit it took longer than I expected, but I as God as my witness, I KNEW it was coming, and from whom.

Papa, I still pray you NEVER have to live through a day scared of the phone each time it rings. I know you don't believe it, and I don't care, your belief, or not, doesn't change the prayer for you and everyone else.  Those 9 hours were decades long. I would not wish that on anyone. EVER!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 27, 2016, 01:34:31 PM
United State Air Force AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code) 43251C 1973 through 1976. I'll save you Google time, Jet Aircraft Mech, 1 and 2 Engine Aircraft.

As for the plane penetrating the building;




First off I do not know what you are trying to say with your link, as it comes up with an error.

So, since you have worked on jet engines as a profession, are you telling me that the engines can be "vaporized" with 4-800 tons of pressure? I don't specialize in jet/fan jet engines, but I do make some parts in them. When I do contract work at Lockheed fort worth, I have seen the machinery they use in forging the turbines alone. The strength and hardness is amazing, yet they are not brittle what so ever. I know for a fact material that is not nearly as strong can survive under a 65,000 ton press with out "vaporizing"

Yet the passports magically survived perfectly in tact, yet some of the hardest material on earth was vaporized.

I suppose before we go any farther are you telling me this? ^

Or that the plane considering its material mass and speed against the object it struck would be able to cut through like butter all the way through the building un harmed?

Without shedding a single piece outside of the building?

Are you telling me that watching the footage slow motion, when the plane just vanished inside the building without a trace at all, no plane, no material, no hole in the building nothing. Then about 150 frames later finally an explosion. In the middle of that explosion the front part of the plane pops out like a jack in the box completely un harmed, them wait, explosion. Can you watch this and tell me all is correct.

Screw me having a doctorate in mechanical engineering, screw my business and experience for the last almost decade. Screw your experience on air craft mechanics , forget it all.

With a fully functioning brain, looking at things logically, just what I wrote up there, can you tell me all is correct and everything feasible?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 27, 2016, 01:41:07 PM
United State Air Force AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code) 43251C 1973 through 1976. I'll save you Google time, Jet Aircraft Mech, 1 and 2 Engine Aircraft.

As for the plane penetrating the building;




First off I do not know what you are trying to say with your link, as it comes up with an error.

So, since you have worked on jet engines as a profession, are you telling me that the engines can be "vaporized" with 4-800 tons of pressure? I don't specialize in jet/fan jet engines, but I do make some parts in them. When I do contract work at Lockheed fort worth, I have seen the machinery they use in forging the turbines alone. The strength and hardness is amazing, yet they are not brittle what so ever. I know for a fact material that is not nearly as strong can survive under a 65,000 ton press with out "vaporizing"

Yet the passports magically survived perfectly in tact, it some of the hardest material on earth was vaporized.

I suppose before we go any farther are you telling me this? ^

Or that the plane considering its material mass and speed against the object it struck would be able to cut through like butter all the way through the building un harmed?

Without shedding a single piece outside of the building?

Are you telling me that watching the footage slow motion, when the plane just vanished inside the building without a trace at all, no plane, no material, no hole in the building nothing. Then about 150 frames later finally an explosion. In the middle of that explosion the front part of the plane pops out like a jack in the box completely un harmed, them wait, explosion. Can you watch this and tell me all is correct.

Screw me having a doctorate in mechanical engineering, screw my business and experience for the last almost decade. Screw your experience on air craft mechanics , forget it all.

With a fully functioning brain, looking at things logically, just what I wrote up there, can you tell me all is correct and everything feasible?

Never mind, you can't read. Or maybe, you just need to twist what I actually said, so you can feel better about yourself. Either way, I won't waist my time debating someone who can't or won't read.

Oh the link. It shows a paper straw going completely through a potato. So don't worry about it, its over your head anyway.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 27, 2016, 01:48:19 PM
Papa, I still pray you NEVER have to live through a day scared of the phone each time it rings. I know you don't believe it, and I don't care, your belief, or not, doesn't change the prayer for you and everyone else.  Those 9 hours were decades long. I would not wish that on anyone. EVER!

Cool.

Story.

Bro.

Semper.

Fucking.

Fi.

Oh the link. It shows a paper straw going completely through a potato.

have fun.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 27, 2016, 01:52:52 PM

Never mind, you can't read. Or maybe, you just need to twist what I actually said, so you can feel better about yourself. Either way, I won't waist my time debating someone who can't or won't read.

Oh the link. It shows a paper straw going completely through a potato. So don't worry about it, its over your head anyway.
It was a simple honest question, I was not rude or anything. However if you have to argue with ad hominem retorts after just some simple respectful questions then apparently you really have no argument. It's the usual here..

And you yell at papa when you are just the exact same.

And the straw through a potatoe is a very horrible analogy. There is absolutely nothing comparable to it, it's just a fun little trick by adding compression to make the straw a little more rigid so it doesn't flex as much. Nothing comparable to surface contact area, tensions, rigidity ect ect ect.

Guess we are done here then sense you are out. Did you really say anything besides nuh uh...
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 28, 2016, 12:02:23 AM
And he is gone...as I said no argument. Same with the big dumb, just a bunch of nuh uhs...

I never put much weight in cognitive dissonance or actual people purposely spreading disinformation. I have no doubt both are real and happen. I am honest and can accept whatever the reality of something is no matter what it is, I just want the truth that is all. So my mind does not typically jump to these conclusions.

However, for cognitive dissonance I would put this as a very strong case study just right here.

First off I do not know what you are trying to say with your link, as it comes up with an error.

So, since you have worked on jet engines as a profession, are you telling me that the engines can be "vaporized" with 4-800 tons of pressure? I don't specialize in jet/fan jet engines, but I do make some parts in them. When I do contract work at Lockheed fort worth, I have seen the machinery they use in forging the turbines alone. The strength and hardness is amazing, yet they are not brittle what so ever. I know for a fact material that is not nearly as strong can survive under a 65,000 ton press with out "vaporizing"

Yet the passports magically survived perfectly in tact, yet some of the hardest material on earth was vaporized.

I suppose before we go any farther are you telling me this? ^

Or that the plane considering its material mass and speed against the object it struck would be able to cut through like butter all the way through the building un harmed?

Without shedding a single piece outside of the building?

Are you telling me that watching the footage slow motion, when the plane just vanished inside the building without a trace at all, no plane, no material, no hole in the building nothing. Then about 150 frames later finally an explosion. In the middle of that explosion the front part of the plane pops out like a jack in the box completely un harmed, them wait, explosion. Can you watch this and tell me all is correct.

Screw me having a doctorate in mechanical engineering, screw my business and experience for the last almost decade. Screw your experience on air craft mechanics , forget it all.

With a fully functioning brain, looking at things logically, just what I wrote up there, can you tell me all is correct and everything feasible?

^^^honest questions , asked with respect assuming no judgement or degradation for ones opinion.

Reply is a complete ad hominem response with no substance or purpose.
Never mind, you can't read. Or maybe, you just need to twist what I actually said, so you can feel better about yourself. Either way, I won't waist my time debating someone who can't or won't read.

Oh the link. It shows a paper straw going completely through a potato. So don't worry about it, its over your head anyway.


Or if you add this reply to other responses by the same user, you could almost make a case for the attempt at spreading misinformation. Yet becoming angered for the attempt not being accepted. However, I consider this a bit presumptive, though a plausibility.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 28, 2016, 02:00:28 AM
potatoe

Are you Dan Quayle in disguise?

As for 9-11, at the time it happened my first thought was that the architects, contractors & suppliers for the Twin Towers would be going to jail.

Because no way a correctly-designed & constructed building should collapse like that.

Then I learned a bit more about the design & construction & realised they were actually built like bunkers, so controlled demo was the only way it could have come down.

It doesn't matter whether the footage is fake or not, or what the witnesses say, they were there one minute & gone the next.

And the only group I can think of who could pull that big an op off on American soil are the US military...

Who also went on to undergo a huge budget expansion as a result, as well as get their hands on all the oil they'll need for decades.

Cui Bono, eh?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 28, 2016, 04:48:39 AM
potatoe

Are you Dan Quayle in disguise?

As for 9-11, at the time it happened my first thought was that the architects, contractors & suppliers for the Twin Towers would be going to jail.

Because no way a correctly-designed & constructed building should collapse like that.

Then I learned a bit more about the design & construction & realised they were actually built like bunkers, so controlled demo was the only way it could have come down.

It doesn't matter whether the footage is fake or not, or what the witnesses say, they were there one minute & gone the next.

And the only group I can think of who could pull that big an op off on American soil are the US military...

Who also went on to undergo a huge budget expansion as a result, as well as get their hands on all the oil they'll need for decades.

Cui Bono, eh?

Why, after more that 6,500 posts of complete nonsense by you, would anyone take seriously anything you say?

I understand the occasional use of sarcasm and trolling posts, but more than 6,000 leaves you open to the charge of the call of BS on anything, and everything you post. Dude, you dug the hole you're standing in, and you're still digging, yet your are complaining about being in the hole.

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 28, 2016, 08:46:48 AM
you dug the hole you're standing in, and you're still digging, yet your are complaining about being in the hole.

I'm not in a hole, nor am I complaining about anything.

In fact I'm very happy to see you mirroring a phrase I used myself only recently, thus providing yet more evidence you are just another psychotic sock-shill.

Really, shills; you all started to do this shit at once, back in January...

Even though I pointed it out at the time & the members Legion & feuk both also noticed you were doing it, you have stuck to the strategy.

No plainer evidence could be given that you are an organised gang of sock-shills working to a plan...

Now; carry on being shit at your shit job.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 28, 2016, 09:45:45 AM
you dug the hole you're standing in, and you're still digging, yet your are complaining about being in the hole.

I'm not in a hole, nor am I complaining about anything.

In fact I'm very happy to see you mirroring a phrase I used myself only recently, thus providing yet more evidence you are just another psychotic sock-shill.

Really, shills; you all started to do this shit at once, back in January...

Even though I pointed it out at the time & the members Legion & feuk both also noticed you were doing it, you have stuck to the strategy.

No plainer evidence could be given that you are an organised gang of sock-shills working to a plan...

Now; carry on being shit at your shit job.

Do you EVER get tired of going nowhere?

You post more 6,500 trolling posts then wonder that no one believes you. Worse, when called on it, you deny it all.

Are you really Hilary Clinton? You have her style down pat. Lie about everything, then lie about being exposed, about lying.

Yep, you're Hilda the Liar, trolling FET.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 28, 2016, 10:38:25 AM
potatoe

Are you Dan Quayle in disguise?

Sigh..just another embarrassing moment with my spelling. It's a very annoying deficiency
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 28, 2016, 02:49:44 PM
potatoe

Are you Dan Quayle in disguise?

Sigh..just another embarrassing moment with my spelling. It's a very annoying deficiency
 

Microsoft Word says Potato. As does Bing and Google. So, once again Papa is proving he cannot post anything of substance, nor can he be believed on any subject for any reason.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 28, 2016, 05:27:26 PM
I did mis spell it....

My spell check sucks on my phone and my spelling is atrocious to begin with, not a good combo. My mind is always spinning non stop 1000 miles an hour, building something or mentally working out a problem, design ect. So many times during a long winded reply or something as the such, I will get distracted or completely space out working on another problem while still typing. Usually finish it on auto pilot, half the time I would have to re read it to remember what I posted. Some times I don't and let it be a mystery post ha ha. As I have said before, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, I should really stick to my strengths lol.

Oh while on the subject the great "Lockhead" scandal that followed me around from a certain someone. Since I am on my phone right now instead of computer, here is my proof of my phones crappy spell check and stupid suggestions, not to mention it will auto change things to the center suggestion automatically unless I intervene. Not a good thing for someone whom writes on auto pilot lol.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/bhejp1.png)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 28, 2016, 10:51:19 PM
Oh well.....I tried Legba. Any points if I play that and make a recording on my sphazeship piano??
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 29, 2016, 03:28:26 AM
I did mis spell it....

My spell check sucks on my phone and my spelling is atrocious to begin with, not a good combo. My mind is always spinning non stop 1000 miles an hour, building something or mentally working out a problem, design ect. So many times during a long winded reply or something as the such, I will get distracted or completely space out working on another problem while still typing. Usually finish it on auto pilot, half the time I would have to re read it to remember what I posted. Some times I don't and let it be a mystery post ha ha. As I have said before, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, I should really stick to my strengths lol.

Oh while on the subject the great "Lockhead" scandal that followed me around from a certain someone. Since I am on my phone right now instead of computer, here is my proof of my phones crappy spell check and stupid suggestions, not to mention it will auto change things to the center suggestion automatically unless I intervene. Not a good thing for someone whom writes on auto pilot lol.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/bhejp1.png)

My Mac BookAir auto corrects when you use the space bar. Most of time, I am a sentence or two ahead in my mind, and not paying attention to what my fingers are doing. Later, in editing, I must take care, to read what the space bar corrected instead of my brain said.

What I need to do is turn off the damn auto correct. It creates more editing problems for me. I HATE editing. Never had that problem with a Windows based computer. 

I love my Mac, but after using DOS/Windows based computers for 30 years, it was nasty learning curve for a while. My wife said I was cursing the Mac three languages, and in all three dialects, for the first two weeks
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Excelsior John on June 29, 2016, 12:24:51 PM
Thought we could dicuss a different conspiracy theory here for a change.

What are your opinions on 9/11, what evidence led you to that opinion?

Also what are your thoughts on FET as a psyop to discredit all conspiracy theories? Such as 9/11 and Diana's death

I'll post more this afternoon when I have more time.
9/11 nevar flippin hapened. The twin towurs dident evan exist to begin with
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 29, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
Aaand look what just happened:

As for 9-11, at the time it happened my first thought was that the architects, contractors & suppliers for the Twin Towers would be going to jail.

Because no way a correctly-designed & constructed building should collapse like that.

Then I learned a bit more about the design & construction & realised they were actually built like bunkers, so controlled demo was the only way it could have come down.

It doesn't matter whether the footage is fake or not, or what the witnesses say, they were there one minute & gone the next.

And the only group I can think of who could pull that big an op off on American soil are the US military...

Who also went on to undergo a huge budget expansion as a result, as well as get their hands on all the oil they'll need for decades.

Cui Bono, eh?

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Bom Tishop on June 29, 2016, 11:01:39 PM
I wouldn't even remotely worry about John boy there Legba....i read through the first page of what he posted as a link. Seeing he is preaching the towers didn't even exist that they were an illusion.

First thoughts are not shill or dis information, more along the lines of mental deficiency.

However, according to him I am no different than the slave owners whom enslaved his ancestors many generations ago. So who am I to say anything I guess.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 30, 2016, 12:03:25 AM
I wouldn't even remotely worry about John boy there Legba.

I'm not.

He is rediculous...

So I'm laughing at him.

Here; have some propaganda bullshit:

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 30, 2016, 04:28:11 AM
I wouldn't even remotely worry about John boy there Legba....i read through the first page of what he posted as a link. Seeing he is preaching the towers didn't even exist that they were an illusion.

First thoughts are not shill or dis information, more along the lines of mental deficiency.

However, according to him I am no different than the slave owners whom enslaved his ancestors many generations ago. So who am I to say anything I guess.

Have to agree. That boy is so far out in left field, he can't even see the edge of the universe. He's definition 1 to 100,00 of RBSC
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Round and Proud on June 30, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
Thought we could dicuss a different conspiracy theory here for a change.

What are your opinions on 9/11, what evidence led you to that opinion?

Also what are your thoughts on FET as a psyop to discredit all conspiracy theories? Such as 9/11 and Diana's death

I'll post more this afternoon when I have more time.
9/11 nevar flippin hapened. The twin towurs dident evan exist to begin with


At first, I thought you had gotten off your meds. Then I saw where you are from, and that explained it all.

It is nice to know that all the people that crewed those American Airlines flights are not actually dead. My youngest, who worked for the airline in HR and KNEW them all, will be so relived the know, and over joyed to tell the families of the crews that a Basement Dweller in San Stupid CA assures everyone that it was fake.

The head floor nurse should remove your internet access. 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Papa Legba on June 30, 2016, 11:21:40 AM
This again:

As for 9-11, at the time it happened my first thought was that the architects, contractors & suppliers for the Twin Towers would be going to jail.

Because no way a correctly-designed & constructed building should collapse like that.

Then I learned a bit more about the design & construction & realised they were actually built like bunkers, so controlled demo was the only way it could have come down.

It doesn't matter whether the footage is fake or not, or what the witnesses say, they were there one minute & gone the next.

And the only group I can think of who could pull that big an op off on American soil are the US military...

Who also went on to undergo a huge budget expansion as a result, as well as get their hands on all the oil they'll need for decades.

Cui Bono, eh?