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Title: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 21, 2016, 10:46:02 PM
What influence does your belief that the earth is flat have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: tappet on May 21, 2016, 11:37:19 PM
What influence does your belief that the earth is flat not round have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?
Positive, you learn not to argue with loonies.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 22, 2016, 02:29:30 AM
Positive for the most part. There will always be folks there to attack you, but that makes it a good enough litmus test for people you'd want to hang out with anyways.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 22, 2016, 06:36:17 AM
Positive for the most part. There will always be folks there to attack you, but that makes it a good enough litmus test for people you'd want to hang out with anyways.
I'm new to flat earth but not new to the deception forced on us. It's been almost 6 years since my husband and I cashed out our birth certificates and got rid of our ss numbers and it has made all the difference. We are now financially better (no debt, we get to keep all our money) but mostly it was a moral issue for me, I no longer wanted to participate in a system that I feel has caused devastation to everyone in our world because we are all victims. That process has changed my life, I treat all people better, I'm thankful for so much, we've changed our life to it being about people and peace, not what we have or don't have. Do you ever get a sense of that? I personally believe that the earth could be flat but learning about this theory has taught me to only make choices by what I can see, feel, and process. I've discovered that I'm very happy just being here and no longer care where we came from or where we go. I see many people relate fe to religion, is that something that's changed for you? Sorry for all the questions but I'm very curious to see the changes people went through because of this.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2016, 08:10:20 AM
It's good to know the truth, so that is a positive.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 22, 2016, 10:04:21 AM
I get a lot more putang.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 22, 2016, 10:49:47 AM
It's very sobering to see how delusional and irrational people can get.  TFES should not exist. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 22, 2016, 11:57:45 AM
It's good to know the truth, so that is a positive.
I agree. I think that having an open mind has only produced positive things in my life. I'm more tolerant, more respectful, less cynical, and generally much happier.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2016, 12:01:53 PM
It's good to know the truth, so that is a positive.
I agree. I think that having an open mind has only produced positive things in my life. I'm more tolerant, more respectful, less cynical, and generally much happier.

Happiness!

Have you noticed how angry the globularists are? I feel sad for them, sometimes.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 22, 2016, 12:23:06 PM
It's good to know the truth, so that is a positive.
I agree. I think that having an open mind has only produced positive things in my life. I'm more tolerant, more respectful, less cynical, and generally much happier.

Happiness!

Have you noticed how angry the globularists are? I feel sad for them, sometimes.

We have to deal with you people, thinking that you know something about how the earth does or doesn't work and thinking that gives you the right to make fun of thousands or millions of experts and professionals, while you stubbornly ignore all evidence to the contrary. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 22, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
We have to deal with you people, thinking that you know something about how the earth does or doesn't work and thinking that gives you the right to make fun of thousands or millions of experts and professionals, while you stubbornly ignore all evidence to the contrary.
I hope you appreciate the irony here. The fact of the matter is you don't have to deal with 'us people'. You chose to come here to talk to us. We aren't going into your schools, your homes, or your places of business shoving our views down your throat. You came to us, stubbornly ignoring all evidence contrary to a ball. And you think that gives you the right to make fun of us because you believe something different.

I fail to understand why you think your point of view and popularity of said view would take our right to a point of view away from us. Troubling indeed. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 22, 2016, 01:02:16 PM
We have to deal with you people, thinking that you know something about how the earth does or doesn't work and thinking that gives you the right to make fun of thousands or millions of experts and professionals, while you stubbornly ignore all evidence to the contrary.
I hope you appreciate the irony here. The fact of the matter is you don't have to deal with 'us people'. You chose to come here to talk to us. We aren't going into your schools, your homes, or your places of business shoving our views down your throat. You came to us, stubbornly ignoring all evidence contrary to a ball. And you think that gives you the right to make fun of us because you believe something different.

I fail to understand why you think your point of view and popularity of said view would take our right to a point of view away from us. Troubling indeed.

I chose to come here to try to talk some sense into you, hoping that you had at least a little bit of rationality left.  You have no valid evidence that the earth is not a ball; just unwarranted speculation and endless arguments about the horizon and other trivial things.  Don't you get it?  You have nothing!  You're wasting your life peddling a lie!  I'm trying to help you people, if you would just listen! 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2016, 01:02:24 PM
The only "rights" we have on this website are the ones allowed by our fearless leaders, which happens to include making fun of NASA and other space orgs... and as John Davis just said no one is making you post here if you hate it so much.  The "experts and professionals" won't notice you defending them, they don't even know you exist. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 22, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
It's good to know the truth, so that is a positive.
I agree. I think that having an open mind has only produced positive things in my life. I'm more tolerant, more respectful, less cynical, and generally much happier.

Happiness!

Have you noticed how angry the globularists are? I feel sad for them, sometimes.
People get angry when you question their beliefs so that is expected and I do see it on both sides. Whether or not you believe the earth is flat, it has no affect on the other parties life. I advocate for all people to stand by their beliefs because at least the subject is getting out there. I might see this situation differently because I no longer contribute to the funding of programs such as NASA so it changes nothing about my life. I think NASA should continue to explore whatever it is that they are but it should be with private funding, not taxpayers. I encourage everyone to go through the process if the feel like they've been deceived.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 22, 2016, 01:20:31 PM
The "experts and professionals" won't notice you defending them, they don't even know you exist.

I don't care.  They deserve appreciation for their jobs, and I want to see that they get it.  I don't need any thanks; I just want you people to start being rational and listen. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Tommi Atkins on May 22, 2016, 01:26:27 PM
I can no longer travel anywhere. I have no flat earth map.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: FlatEarthPeopleAreStupid on May 22, 2016, 02:10:41 PM
It made me realize that people can be stupid enough to believe in a flat earth.


Now ban me so I can't read the stupid bullshit on this website.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2016, 04:31:07 PM
It made me realize that people can be stupid enough to believe in a flat earth.


Now ban me so I can't read the stupid bullshit on this website.

BAM YOURSELF!
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 22, 2016, 04:47:52 PM
It made me realize that people can be stupid enough to believe in a flat earth.


Now ban me so I can't read the stupid bullshit on this website.

BAM YOURSELF!

Wow...
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2016, 04:56:16 PM
It made me realize that people can be stupid enough to believe in a flat earth.


Now ban me so I can't read the stupid bullshit on this website.

BAM YOURSELF!

Wow...

You see what we put up with  >:(
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 22, 2016, 05:01:30 PM
It made me realize that people can be stupid enough to believe in a flat earth.


Now ban me so I can't read the stupid bullshit on this website.

BAM YOURSELF!

Wow...

You see what we put up with  >:(

Not really.  You have it alright.  Ignorance is bliss, as they say. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
I don't even know what you're trying to say.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 22, 2016, 05:57:14 PM
I don't even know what you're trying to say.
I think they should find a well known flat earth person and train him to go to the iss, that would hopefully put an end to the debate. Probably never happen but it's an idea.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 22, 2016, 06:36:24 PM
I don't even know what you're trying to say.
I think they should find a well known flat earth person and train him to go to the iss, that would hopefully put an end to the debate. Probably never happen but it's an idea.

That won't happen, because
A.)  Flat earthers are too irrational to do anything but get in the way,
B.)  nobody takes you seriously enough to do anything of the sort, and
C.)  even that won't convince you people, for the reason outlined in A. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 22, 2016, 06:55:45 PM
I'm trying to help you people, if you would just listen!


Said every cult leader ever.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 22, 2016, 07:15:39 PM
I'm trying to help you people, if you would just listen!


Said every cult leader ever.

See?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 22, 2016, 07:23:46 PM
I'm trying to help you people, if you would just listen!


Said every cult leader ever.
HA!
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: disputeone on May 22, 2016, 08:09:27 PM
It's good to know the truth, so that is a positive.
I agree. I think that having an open mind has only produced positive things in my life. I'm more tolerant, more respectful, less cynical, and generally much happier.

Happiness!

Have you noticed how angry the globularists are? I feel sad for them, sometimes.

I'm not angry, I love this website.

Theres actually a decent collection of people and ideas here once you get past the angry trolls.

I can no longer travel anywhere. I have no flat earth map.

I'm laughing out loud at work 😂😂
Not up to admitting what website I'm on just yet tho.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 22, 2016, 08:38:37 PM
It's good to know the truth, so that is a positive.
I agree. I think that having an open mind has only produced positive things in my life. I'm more tolerant, more respectful, less cynical, and generally much happier.

Happiness!

Have you noticed how angry the globularists are? I feel sad for them, sometimes.

I'm not angry, I love this website.

Theres actually a decent collection of people and ideas here once you get past the angry trolls.

I can no longer travel anywhere. I have no flat earth map.

I'm laughing out loud at work 😂😂
Not up to admitting what website I'm on just yet tho.
What a nice thing to say. I appreciate the passion that many have for their beliefs on both sides, it shows that this is an important part of their lives. While at this time in my life I'm not able to say or deny the shape of earth, I do find the topic absolutely fascinating to say the least and I enjoy reading others opinions about it.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: hoppy on May 22, 2016, 08:40:16 PM
To the OP, you said it was good to leave the money system as much as you could. You felt the system is causing harm to people. Well the globe system is set up to cause harm to people also. It feels good to withdraw from the globe mindset, because it is bullshit. You also can begin to see some of the other bs that tptb set before you. It is not just money or the globe it is many things.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 22, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
To the OP, you said it was good to leave the money system as much as you could. You felt the system is causing harm to people. Well the globe system is set up to cause harm to people also. It feels good to withdraw from the globe mindset, because it is bullshit. You also can begin to see some of the other bs that tptb set before you. It is not just money or the globe it is many things.
It was by far the most empowering thing I've experienced, I felt like I was truly free. This topic has taught me to accept that there are infinite possibilities and instead of looking for answers, I'm content just knowing I exist and to celebrate my short time here. In the end it doesn't matter, when I get to watch a beautiful sunset, amazing landscapes, pretty much just the essence of nature, it's still the same on a globe or on a plane. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 23, 2016, 07:32:23 AM
To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 23, 2016, 07:37:28 AM
In the end it doesn't matter, when I get to watch a beautiful sunset
Which you wouldn't get on a flat earth.  Sunsets are a product of the planet's glorious roundness.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 23, 2016, 08:53:20 AM
To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.
That's a very lovely way to look at it. I first got into seeing things differently I was angry at myself for allowing my self to be fooled. When I decided to separate from the system I was scared at first. Now, 6 years later I have seen nothing but good things, I'm still afforded the same privileges as before, I still respect the laws, I just don't contribute to the nwo (or whatever you want to call it). It's an amazing feeling.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 23, 2016, 08:54:17 AM
It's good to know the truth, so that is a positive.
I agree. I think that having an open mind has only produced positive things in my life. I'm more tolerant, more respectful, less cynical, and generally much happier.

Happiness!

Have you noticed how angry the globularists are? I feel sad for them, sometimes.

I'm not angry, I love this website.

Theres actually a decent collection of people and ideas here once you get past the angry trolls.

I can no longer travel anywhere. I have no flat earth map.

I'm laughing out loud at work 😂😂
Not up to admitting what website I'm on just yet tho.

I have hope that one day you will wake up and realize the flat earth has changed your life.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: hoppy on May 23, 2016, 09:13:34 AM
In the end it doesn't matter, when I get to watch a beautiful sunset
Which you wouldn't get on a flat earth.  Sunsets are a product of the planet's glorious roundness.
Incorrect.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: sokarul on May 23, 2016, 09:24:21 AM
In the end it doesn't matter, when I get to watch a beautiful sunset
Which you wouldn't get on a flat earth.  Sunsets are a product of the planet's glorious roundness.
Incorrect.
Feel free to back up that claim in one of the sunset threads.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 23, 2016, 10:59:46 AM
In the end it doesn't matter, when I get to watch a beautiful sunset
Which you wouldn't get on a flat earth.  Sunsets are a product of the planet's glorious roundness.
Incorrect.
Thanks hoppy, it's good that you brought your usual intellectual heft to the thread.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 23, 2016, 12:35:42 PM
To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.
Where do you think the roots of this controversy start? Is it financial? Morality? Spiritualism? For the most part it appears both sides have good arguments and rationale. It's obviously very important to people, there's no doubting the passion each side has.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 23, 2016, 12:46:25 PM
Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

You see and hear only what you think supports your side.  Your belief in a flat earth has destroyed your ability to reason.  The saddest part is that you think you're better off for it. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 23, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.
Where do you think the roots of this controversy start? Is it financial? Morality? Spiritualism? For the most part it appears both sides have good arguments and rationale. It's obviously very important to people, there's no doubting the passion each side has.
I think the roots of the controversy is in the inability of some to see past their views and understand another's views, even if they disagree with them.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

You see and hear only what you think supports your side.  Your belief in a flat earth has destroyed your ability to reason.  The saddest part is that you think you're better off for it. 
Not all all. I understand the round earth argument more so than the average round earther, and I'd wager more so than the average college graduate. I just happen to find my view more suited to me. I have never turned a blind eye to evidence.


Blue moon here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He sees our existence as a threat to his worldview and an attack on those who built it. It couldn't be any less the case. He likely has no real idea about why people chose to believe the Flat Earth as to him it seems nonsensical. This is largely because he doesn't understand our language and reason for existence and has to care to.

This is a troubling recent turn on science that I think underlies much of the aggression towards us. The modern treatment of science is similar to the treatment of the Church in the dark ages. We are heresy to them, and as science is a social tyrant Science can't let us live. But its not just us - its any view that even slightly appears to be against science. The spread of the atheist movement is largely due to the tyranny of science. Science demands we judge everybody and every idea by its standards, despite them not being universal standards. This first found its foothold due to the now debunked Conflict Thesis of Draper and White (who were also shown to have pushed this agenda for personal reasons.) From there it grew. This is in spite of the fact that most notable scientists of the past have had religion at arms reach. Most notable thinkers as well.

Judging religion by a scientific basis has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. They are two parts of society that deal with vastly different things in vastly different domains.

Judging our views by the views of the scientific community is equally silly. Not only does it undermine what actually causes science to evolve (as Feynman put it assuming the experts are wrong), but it also demonstrates that the average person and scientist has no idea and no care to know about how science functions. Science wishes to say its the only path to true knowledge, yet it has yet to show us this logically. Instead we are to take it on faith.

I think also underlying it on a more person to person level is the fact we go against everything people have taught themselves or have been taught. They take it as a personal attack against their knowledge and worldview, rather than recognizing it as simple co-existance of two different ideas.

We have seen, additionally, that science functions very well with multiple worldviews. Take the success of science in early Greece and Rome from whom we still borrow many ideas. Looking at the realization that we are in a post-modern or even a modular age, we need science to catch up to the rest of humanity rather than attempting to cut off its left hand to spite its right.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 23, 2016, 01:21:22 PM
Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

You see and hear only what you think supports your side.  Your belief in a flat earth has destroyed your ability to reason.  The saddest part is that you think you're better off for it.
I think your reasoning for being here is very admirable, I know the people you want respect for appreciate it. I do find this topic amazingly interesting and I have enjoyed the different views people share. Plus, it's very clear most here love a good argument/debate.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 23, 2016, 01:25:49 PM
The saddest part is that you think you're better off for it.
I am objectively better off because of it. That's a fact. Whether it has to do with my appreciation of art, music, or ideas or whether it has to do with more tangible matters such as my income, my living standards, and my home life. There is no way I would have a great job, a great house, and a loving family if I had not found the flat earth. Aside from that, it gives me an underlying reason to live every day. In addition, I am a far more productive member of the community.

Even in software development it has lead to advances - for example, I built a decent little physics engine based off of UA that performed ridiculously better than if I had applied gravity to each object individually. I can see in new ways and hear in new ways, where as in my youth my eyes did not see - my ears did not hear. Somebody would argue religion to me, and I would dismiss them a fool. Somebody would argue a political point, and again it would be dismissed out of hand. Now I see all angles that are brought to me, or at least if I don't understand them I recognize how somebody might and how that is for a reason and then I search to see why. I now run towards truth, instead of being content that I have truth. I know I know nothing - where the round earther knows he knows everything.

The sickness of my soul, which was healed partly due to the flat earth, would have poisoned my entire life and all its fruits.

You can find these things in other ways. But to me, the earth is flat.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 23, 2016, 01:51:37 PM
Not all all. I understand the round earth argument more so than the average round earther, and I'd wager more so than the average college graduate. I just happen to find my view more suited to me. I have never turned a blind eye to evidence.


Blue moon here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He sees our existence as a threat to his worldview and an attack on those who built it. It couldn't be any less the case. He likely has no real idea about why people chose to believe the Flat Earth as to him it seems nonsensical. This is largely because he doesn't understand our language and reason for existence and has to care to.

So you aren't attacking the people working at NASA?  Explain this, then:

I'm not somewhere I can watch this now, but it's amazing how often NASA lies. I trust this is just yet another to throw on the pile. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 23, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
The saddest part is that you think you're better off for it.
I am objectively better off because of it. That's a fact. Whether it has to do with my appreciation of art, music, or ideas or whether it has to do with more tangible matters such as my income, my living standards, and my home life. There is no way I would have a great job, a great house, and a loving family if I had not found the flat earth. Aside from that, it gives me an underlying reason to live every day. In addition, I am a far more productive member of the community.

Even in software development it has lead to advances - for example, I built a decent little physics engine based off of UA that performed ridiculously better than if I had applied gravity to each object individually. I can see in new ways and hear in new ways, where as in my youth my eyes did not see - my ears did not hear. Somebody would argue religion to me, and I would dismiss them a fool. Somebody would argue a political point, and again it would be dismissed out of hand. Now I see all angles that are brought to me, or at least if I don't understand them I recognize how somebody might and how that is for a reason and then I search to see why. I now run towards truth, instead of being content that I have truth. I know I know nothing - where the round earther knows he knows everything.

The sickness of my soul, which was healed partly due to the flat earth, would have poisoned my entire life and all its fruits.

You can find these things in other ways. But to me, the earth is flat.
I truly enjoy you're view, I think it speaks of your character and is genuine. Even though my journey had nothing to do with the shape of earth I felt like going through it enlightened me, I didn't like something so I changed it. I agree that learning to be accepting of others even if you don't agree, beliefs are something that is very personal and I think this one is pretty large scale. I think everyone here is on the right track on both sides by standing by what they believe. Everyone appears pretty content with their choices so that all that matters.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on May 23, 2016, 04:12:30 PM
Up until I heard of a modern group still believing in a flat earth I didnt think people was this stupid. Sorry FEs. I've been opened minded but I can only have it open for so long before I realize who's right and who's wrong.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 23, 2016, 04:38:33 PM
Up until I heard of a modern group still believing in a flat earth I didnt think people was this stupid. Sorry FEs. I've been opened minded but I can only have it open for so long before I realize who's right and who's wrong.
It appears by your name that you are a religious or spiritual person (please correct me if this is not your situation, I have come to realize that people post bible versus to poke fun at others, not sure if this is your situation as well). I hear a lot of people relate fe strictly to proof of a god but that doesn't appear to be your opinion from your comment. Any insight as to why it's often related to religion?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Rayzor on May 23, 2016, 05:56:37 PM
I know I know nothing - where the round earther knows he knows everything.

While I disagree with you about the earth being flat.  ( It's a globe )   I agree with the above.

It's like the difference between being clever and being wise.   

"Daily, the clever man learns something. Daily, the wise man gives up some certainty"

Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 23, 2016, 06:16:40 PM
To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.

Despite the fact I haven't found solid evidence of the earth being flat, or converted to a flat earth believer. It is really cool to see an ideology has had such an effect on you for the positive.

Rather if I think you are right or wrong in some of your opinions, I do know you live by "I am wise for I know one thing, that I know nothing".. and that mentality will always get a hat tip from me. Though I don't wear hats even though I live in Texas, but if I wore a hat I would tip it in your direct ;D
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 23, 2016, 07:13:08 PM
To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.

Despite the fact I haven't found solid evidence of the earth being flat, or converted to a flat earth believer. It is really cool to see an ideology has had such an effect on you for the positive.

Rather if I think you are right or wrong in some of your opinions, I do know you live by "I am wise for I know one thing, that I know nothing".. and that mentality will always get a hat tip from me. Though I don't wear hats even though I live in Texas, but if I wore a hat I would tip it in your direct ;D
Socrates, nice. I do feel that a sense of aloofness and superiority plays constantly with strong beliefs, it gives the sense of being wise and all knowing. I have really enjoyed people sharing their views and thoughts. I am by nature a calm person and I always have been. What I do know is that myself, personally has been deceived, I was told I didn't have authority over my bc, that's was deception. I was told I had to have a ssn in order to become an np and work in the usa, that was deception. And I was told that I was required by law to hand over roughly 1/3 of all the money I ever make in my life to a legal entity of the federal government, and that was the biggest deception of all. How do I know I (and I'm only speaking for myself) had been deceived? I was able to do all the things they said I couldn't. When I first started reading about the fet, it didn't really have any conflicting affects on me and I realized it was because I play no role in it, I know longer contribute to the federal budget program so if NASA wants to cover up a flat earth, that's cool, I'm not paying. If NASA is legit and they want to go to every planet, that's cool, I'm not paying. Once I took out the financial aspect, it really made no difference in my life. I think because I know the possibility of deception exists, I have been able to it remain partial to people's ideas. But mostly I do enjoy people's want for truths (whatever they may be). I've already stood for my beliefs and it was amazing and learning to not have that instant emotional reaction to every event or idea that has the possibility for deception has made that possible. Am I wise? Hell no! My toddler licks windows, wise people don't let their kids lick windows haha.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on May 23, 2016, 08:18:53 PM
Up until I heard of a modern group still believing in a flat earth I didnt think people was this stupid. Sorry FEs. I've been opened minded but I can only have it open for so long before I realize who's right and who's wrong.
It appears by your name that you are a religious or spiritual person (please correct me if this is not your situation, I have come to realize that people post bible versus to poke fun at others, not sure if this is your situation as well).

No you're right. I'm a Christian. I'm a unique breed called messianic Judaism. Basically I'm a Christian Jew.

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I hear a lot of people relate fe strictly to proof of a god but that doesn't appear to be your opinion from your comment. Any insight as to why it's often related to religion?

Contrary to popular belief their problem isn't that they take the Bible literally as I take it literally as a young earth creationist. Their problem is taking the Bible out of context. For example they'll take the passage of Joshua and the long day and say that proves that the earth is flat because he asked God to make the sun stand still. The problem with that is even with there own model the sun doesn't go up and down as the Bible says. It goes in a circular track above us (according to them). So even they would have to say that Joshua spoke out of his perspective instead of something that physically happens.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 24, 2016, 11:09:51 AM
Up until I heard of a modern group still believing in a flat earth I didnt think people was this stupid. Sorry FEs. I've been opened minded but I can only have it open for so long before I realize who's right and who's wrong.
It appears by your name that you are a religious or spiritual person (please correct me if this is not your situation, I have come to realize that people post bible versus to poke fun at others, not sure if this is your situation as well).

No you're right. I'm a Christian. I'm a unique breed called messianic Judaism. Basically I'm a Christian Jew.

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I hear a lot of people relate fe strictly to proof of a god but that doesn't appear to be your opinion from your comment. Any insight as to why it's often related to religion?

Contrary to popular belief their problem isn't that they take the Bible literally as I take it literally as a young earth creationist. Their problem is taking the Bible out of context. For example they'll take the passage of Joshua and the long day and say that proves that the earth is flat because he asked God to make the sun stand still. The problem with that is even with there own model the sun doesn't go up and down as the Bible says. It goes in a circular track above us (according to them). So even they would have to say that Joshua spoke out of his perspective instead of something that physically happens.
So I'm curious (and bare with me, I know very little about religious practices) I always thought that Christians followed the New Testament (correct me if I'm wrong) and Judaism was related to the Old Testament? Do the testaments have a difference in the way people interprete material related to the shape of the world? Or is it that people are interpreting it incorrectly? I won't lie, I'm not religious but I'm also not scientific. I am a np so people assume I would be scientific but I'm a pediatric hospice np so I provide care to children at the end of life. While I do prescribe medications, my job tends to focus on the emotions of all involved, including the family and that includes spiritualism and religion aspect that I would never disrespect in any situation. I don't have the same beliefs as the people I care for but I have learned that if someone's beliefs are important to them and they are passionate about it then that belief is justifiable because there is a reason they have it and this applies to everyone I've talked to here. Now, I would prefer if everyone had these conversations on here they would do it without degradation and hostility but I am 100% aware that won't happen.
Do you feel that some of the comments made by people (on either side or both) are an attack on your beliefs? Do you have an opinion on the possibility of religious influences in this subject (I'm talking about the vatican but again I do not know the ins and outs of what religions follow the vatican)? And while this question isn't related directly to religion, do you think that there is any influence on this topic related to what people call questionable events or representation in NASAs history (meaning the great moon landing debate or the composite pictures issue)?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on May 24, 2016, 11:37:07 AM
Up until I heard of a modern group still believing in a flat earth I didnt think people was this stupid. Sorry FEs. I've been opened minded but I can only have it open for so long before I realize who's right and who's wrong.
It appears by your name that you are a religious or spiritual person (please correct me if this is not your situation, I have come to realize that people post bible versus to poke fun at others, not sure if this is your situation as well).

No you're right. I'm a Christian. I'm a unique breed called messianic Judaism. Basically I'm a Christian Jew.

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I hear a lot of people relate fe strictly to proof of a god but that doesn't appear to be your opinion from your comment. Any insight as to why it's often related to religion?

Contrary to popular belief their problem isn't that they take the Bible literally as I take it literally as a young earth creationist. Their problem is taking the Bible out of context. For example they'll take the passage of Joshua and the long day and say that proves that the earth is flat because he asked God to make the sun stand still. The problem with that is even with there own model the sun doesn't go up and down as the Bible says. It goes in a circular track above us (according to them). So even they would have to say that Joshua spoke out of his perspective instead of something that physically happens.
So I'm curious (and bare with me, I know very little about religious practices) I always thought that Christians followed the New Testament (correct me if I'm wrong) and Judaism was related to the Old Testament?

Yep that's correct, sort of. Regular Christians follow some parts of the Old Testament like "thou shalt not kill".

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Do the testaments have a difference in the way people interprete material related to the shape of the world?

No not really. There's only one verse that indicates that the earth is round (my sig) and one other verse that says that the earth hangs upon nothing (forgot at this moment where). The rest of the verses don't really say much of anything about the shape of the earth.

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Or is it that people are interpreting it incorrectly?

People interpret the Bible incorrectly.

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I won't lie, I'm not religious but I'm also not scientific. I am a np so people assume I would be scientific but I'm a pediatric hospice np so I provide care to children at the end of life. While I do prescribe medications, my job tends to focus on the emotions of all involved, including the family and that includes spiritualism and religion aspect that I would never disrespect in any situation. I don't have the same beliefs as the people I care for but I have learned that if someone's beliefs are important to them and they are passionate about it then that belief is justifiable because there is a reason they have it and this applies to everyone I've talked to here. Now, I would prefer if everyone had these conversations on here they would do it without degradation and hostility but I am 100% aware that won't happen.
Do you feel that some of the comments made by people (on either side or both) are an attack on your beliefs?

Sometimes. Though I don't let it bother me. Some of the round earthers here would say that the Bible says the earth is flat and therefore wrong. I haven't seen that in a while so maybe they stopped. They do it in a kind, intellectual way (for the most part) so I'm not bothered by that. I will however address it. On the flat earth side they claim that the Bible says the earth and I address it when that happens.

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Do you have an opinion on the possibility of religious influences in this subject (I'm talking about the vatican but again I do not know the ins and outs of what religions follow the vatican)? And while this question isn't related directly to religion, do you think that there is any influence on this topic related to what people call questionable events or representation in NASAs history (meaning the great moon landing debate or the composite pictures issue)?

There are two theories out there that may explain the sudden interest in flat earth.

1. It's the Catholic Church trying to get Protestant back under their rule by propagating the flat earth movement since they were the ones who first said that the earth is flat.

2. It's a bunch of athiests making fun of Christians.

I don't know for sure and I haven't researched it but I think its possible.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 24, 2016, 12:54:57 PM
Another theory is that we are having our agenda given attention to de-legitimize the TRUTH movement. If you look at some of our recent mentions in pop culture like on Modern Family you see they are tying us up with homophobic literalists. Likewise, with Dubay with holohoaxers.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 24, 2016, 01:37:53 PM

1. It's the Catholic Church trying to get Protestant back under their rule by propagating the flat earth movement since they were the ones who first said that the earth is flat.

2. It's a bunch of athiests making fun of Christians.

Eh?  Maybe you are a trollin.

It's just the latest trending conspiracy theory, that's all.  It means conspiracy theorist can trumpet THE ULTIMATE CONSPIRACY and get one up on their peers.  It will die down eventually.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on May 24, 2016, 02:55:33 PM

1. It's the Catholic Church trying to get Protestant back under their rule by propagating the flat earth movement since they were the ones who first said that the earth is flat.

2. It's a bunch of athiests making fun of Christians.

Eh?  Maybe you are a trollin.

It's just the latest trending conspiracy theory, that's all.  It means conspiracy theorist can trumpet THE ULTIMATE CONSPIRACY and get one up on their peers.  It will die down eventually.

Sure hope so, but then my source of fun ends.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Lowezar on May 24, 2016, 03:27:32 PM
To the OP: I don't believe in anything (yes, neither in the spheroid, though I accept it as the most precise model at this time), but I can say it's a very positive thing I found this place. I haven't had a genuine laugh in a long time until I stumbled upon a couple flat earthers. :) And who knows, maybe we will discover it's flat in some X-dimentional space.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 24, 2016, 05:22:56 PM

1. It's the Catholic Church trying to get Protestant back under their rule by propagating the flat earth movement since they were the ones who first said that the earth is flat.

2. It's a bunch of athiests making fun of Christians.

Eh?  Maybe you are a trollin.

It's just the latest trending conspiracy theory, that's all.  It means conspiracy theorist can trumpet THE ULTIMATE CONSPIRACY and get one up on their peers.  It will die down eventually.
Do you think it's a trend period or a trend that has come back around? We're told that at 1 time people believed the earth to be flat so did the trend go away after a certain event or period? Or is the trend still there but we now have forms of instant information and communication from the internet and what not? Do you think there's an increase in people talking about it or references in news, tv, movies etc. or are you just more aware? Kind of like after you get a new car you notice that more people seem to have the same one? Now, I will say that since becoming aware of this I have felt like I hear more about it or I pick up more of it even in shows and movies I have seen. So this is the biggest question I keep wondering about is if you believe the world is round and you found out it was flat, what impact would that have on your life? And this is a question for everyone so on the other side, if you believe the world is flat and found out it was round, what impact would that have on your life? Yes I am aware that most people will say "well that won't happen because the world is... (insert shape here) but I'm very insterested to see what people's true thought process is on this topic respectfully.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 24, 2016, 05:25:58 PM
Another theory is that we are having our agenda given attention to de-legitimize the TRUTH movement. If you look at some of our recent mentions in pop culture like on Modern Family you see they are tying us up with homophobic literalists. Likewise, with Dubay with holohoaxers.
So basically propagating the subject?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 24, 2016, 06:26:32 PM
To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.

Despite the fact I haven't found solid evidence of the earth being flat, or converted to a flat earth believer. It is really cool to see an ideology has had such an effect on you for the positive.

Rather if I think you are right or wrong in some of your opinions, I do know you live by "I am wise for I know one thing, that I know nothing".. and that mentality will always get a hat tip from me. Though I don't wear hats even though I live in Texas, but if I wore a hat I would tip it in your direct ;D
Socrates, nice. I do feel that a sense of aloofness and superiority plays constantly with strong beliefs, it gives the sense of being wise and all knowing. I have really enjoyed people sharing their views and thoughts. I am by nature a calm person and I always have been. What I do know is that myself, personally has been deceived, I was told I didn't have authority over my bc, that's was deception. I was told I had to have a ssn in order to become an np and work in the usa, that was deception. And I was told that I was required by law to hand over roughly 1/3 of all the money I ever make in my life to a legal entity of the federal government, and that was the biggest deception of all. How do I know I (and I'm only speaking for myself) had been deceived? I was able to do all the things they said I couldn't. When I first started reading about the fet, it didn't really have any conflicting affects on me and I realized it was because I play no role in it, I know longer contribute to the federal budget program so if NASA wants to cover up a flat earth, that's cool, I'm not paying. If NASA is legit and they want to go to every planet, that's cool, I'm not paying. Once I took out the financial aspect, it really made no difference in my life. I think because I know the possibility of deception exists, I have been able to it remain partial to people's ideas. But mostly I do enjoy people's want for truths (whatever they may be). I've already stood for my beliefs and it was amazing and learning to not have that instant emotional reaction to every event or idea that has the possibility for deception has made that possible. Am I wise? Hell no! My toddler licks windows, wise people don't let their kids lick windows haha.

Why do you think I started my own business straight out of college? ;D Sure it wasnt the only reason but surely one of them. Business income tax is Constitutional and goes towards legitimate causes. Personal income tax is not constitutional, most of the proceeds go towards interest to the federal Reserve which is bogus in itself. Who has a Fiat money system but pays someone interest to make said worthless money. Fiat is fine, otherwise 3 quarters of Americans job would be digging gold lol, but the government needs control to print. Such a quality scam.

Not to mention income tax is a form of control and wealth disbursement.

Sorry...i shall discontinue my rant
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 25, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.

Despite the fact I haven't found solid evidence of the earth being flat, or converted to a flat earth believer. It is really cool to see an ideology has had such an effect on you for the positive.

Rather if I think you are right or wrong in some of your opinions, I do know you live by "I am wise for I know one thing, that I know nothing".. and that mentality will always get a hat tip from me. Though I don't wear hats even though I live in Texas, but if I wore a hat I would tip it in your direct ;D
Socrates, nice. I do feel that a sense of aloofness and superiority plays constantly with strong beliefs, it gives the sense of being wise and all knowing. I have really enjoyed people sharing their views and thoughts. I am by nature a calm person and I always have been. What I do know is that myself, personally has been deceived, I was told I didn't have authority over my bc, that's was deception. I was told I had to have a ssn in order to become an np and work in the usa, that was deception. And I was told that I was required by law to hand over roughly 1/3 of all the money I ever make in my life to a legal entity of the federal government, and that was the biggest deception of all. How do I know I (and I'm only speaking for myself) had been deceived? I was able to do all the things they said I couldn't. When I first started reading about the fet, it didn't really have any conflicting affects on me and I realized it was because I play no role in it, I know longer contribute to the federal budget program so if NASA wants to cover up a flat earth, that's cool, I'm not paying. If NASA is legit and they want to go to every planet, that's cool, I'm not paying. Once I took out the financial aspect, it really made no difference in my life. I think because I know the possibility of deception exists, I have been able to it remain partial to people's ideas. But mostly I do enjoy people's want for truths (whatever they may be). I've already stood for my beliefs and it was amazing and learning to not have that instant emotional reaction to every event or idea that has the possibility for deception has made that possible. Am I wise? Hell no! My toddler licks windows, wise people don't let their kids lick windows haha.

Why do you think I started my own business straight out of college? ;D Sure it wasnt the only reason but surely one of them. Business income tax is Constitutional and goes towards legitimate causes. Personal income tax is not constitutional, most of the proceeds go towards interest to the federal Reserve which is bogus in itself. Who has a Fiat money system but pays someone interest to make said worthless money. Fiat is fine, otherwise 3 quarters of Americans job would be digging gold lol, but the government needs control to print. Such a quality scam.

Not to mention income tax is a form of control and wealth disbursement.

Sorry...i shall discontinue my rant
I don't think it was a rant, you spoke truth, we tend to take the George Carlin approach to the federal government. I'm very happy I went through the process before my son was born, if he wants to be property of the government when he's older then he can be.... but I doubt he will be. So, I know you're on the round side of this (I think), in your opinion is there a solution to this argument? Do you think opting out funding NASA would decrease controversy? Do you think an increase in awareness of the limits of personal income tax would help calm the flat side because their no longer responsible financially? Or would increase in awareness cause too many people to leave the system and severely decrease funding to the program? Or is this literally the "turtles all the way down" argument?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: rabinoz on May 25, 2016, 09:01:18 PM
What influence does your belief that the earth is flat have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?
I'll go right back to the OP. I am not a "Flat Earther", but since seeing the arguments on this site and doing more research on the topic than ever before, I am now much more sure of my conviction that the Earth is a Globe orbiting the Sun.

All the arguments that it's philosophical, or a xxxxx plot[1] are just a distraction. The earth is a physical object capable of inspection and the properties can be determined.

But, as soon as we claim the findings of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Cavendish and even Einstein we get told that they were Papist, Alchemists, Sunworshippers, Autistic, Freemasons or something else.

No, whether the earth is a Globe or not is simply a physical present day fact to be determined by the available evidence. Once we start excluding evidence simply because it goes against our cherished beliefs is simply being dishonest.

So many drag in distractions about Cosmology, Evolution and understanding the cause of Gravitation that distract from the simple determination of the "shape of the earth". Over the centuries it has been measured in every way you can think, so we can determine the shape it we just look at the evidence.

From what I have seen the idea of a NASA conspiracy did not come till well into the "space age". Back when Sputnik I was launched (yes, I remember it well, it was on my birthday) I was with radio HAMS. Your would have been laughed at if you denied that satellite's existence! The "Sputnik Beep" coming through on 20.007 MHz was pretty distinctive - try to figure out how the Russians could fake that in 1957!

I've said enough, so I'll close by simply saying that The Flat Earth Society does a wonderful service in gathering all the evidence for a Globe!


[1] In place of "xxxxx" insert one or more of NASA, Rosicrucian, Illuminati, FreeMasons, Jesuit, Zionist, Papist, the Brotherhood and a few others. I have not yet heard of Mormon, but maybe someone will come out with it.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 25, 2016, 10:38:46 PM
I don't think it was a rant, you spoke truth, we tend to take the George Carlin approach to the federal government. I'm very happy I went through the process before my son was born, if he wants to be property of the government when he's older then he can be.... but I doubt he will be. So, I know you're on the round side of this (I think), in your opinion is there a solution to this argument? Do you think opting out funding NASA would decrease controversy? Do you think an increase in awareness of the limits of personal income tax would help calm the flat side because their no longer responsible financially? Or would increase in awareness cause too many people to leave the system and severely decrease funding to the program? Or is this literally the "turtles all the way down" argument?

My honest opinion, I think we are "fucked" in every way in america at least. The dumbing down and brain washing that has been in the process for about 70 years is in full swing. It is effecting people from birth now, and that is the deadly thing. It didn't have much effect on my grandfathers generation (who raised me), they were too proud, strong and they just got shit done..no excuses. What we have now is just the very end of their coat tail we are still riding on. Just look at the generation now and even my generation, I really have my grandfather to thank, as I was able to see through the fog with his guidance . Though he also pushed the crap out of me too, I was in college at 15 and doctorates with a separate masters by 22. Immediately started a business afterwards, and now about to turn 32 and have the freedom to do what I want.  I hated him for it honestly, which I feel horrible now for since he is no longer here and I know what he was doing and why.

The whole point to that is, this spirit is all but dead. I could have been turned into your average american myself. Critical thought, raw determination, concern for your fellow man, ect ect ect has all but been destroyed. Replaced by an undeserved self entitlement, raw narcissism, laziness, no concern for the fellow man ect ect. Nothing but failure can come from this. Why do you think our debt is so high??? The people running the country doesnt care, just sweep it under the rug for the next guy. America is a joke now...I love the land but the majority of the people and anyone in the government I cant stand.

So could I come up with some creative solutions to reach people....Maybe... but the magic trick the ones running the show have designed is solid and works. The mainstream looks at Kim Ks ass, instead of how the middle class is all but fleeced. Or they are worried a guy who wants a vagina cant use the womens bathroom, yet the 3 new laws that just passed that puts us one foot forward into socialism no one cares about. Its the strobe light while the magician hits the trap door, it works and people are amazed.

I am worried for my country, and am embarrassed of my people. Putin called it right when he lashed out towards us. I hate it and wish I could do something....I have had no real quality ideas of what.


FYI, I am on the side of truth, I wouldn't consider myself a roundy or a flat head. That is why I am prone to lash out to either side. Though I will say as of now, I have really seen no evidence that can convert me to the flat side, the globe fits nicely. I would be more prone to a hybrid geocentric than anything, however, if I see truth then that is my side...the earth could be a rumbas.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 26, 2016, 02:08:11 PM
What influence does your belief that the earth is flat have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?
I'll go right back to the OP. I am not a "Flat Earther", but since seeing the arguments on this site and doing more research on the topic than ever before, I am now much more sure of my conviction that the Earth is a Globe orbiting the Sun.

All the arguments that it's philosophical, or a xxxxx plot[1] are just a distraction. The earth is a physical object capable of inspection and the properties can be determined.

But, as soon as we claim the findings of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Cavendish and even Einstein we get told that they were Papist, Alchemists, Sunworshippers, Autistic, Freemasons or something else.

No, whether the earth is a Globe or not is simply a physical present day fact to be determined by the available evidence. Once we start excluding evidence simply because it goes against our cherished beliefs is simply being dishonest.

So many drag in distractions about Cosmology, Evolution and understanding the cause of Gravitation that distract from the simple determination of the "shape of the earth". Over the centuries it has been measured in every way you can think, so we can determine the shape it we just look at the evidence.

From what I have seen the idea of a NASA conspiracy did not come till well into the "space age". Back when Sputnik I was launched (yes, I remember it well, it was on my birthday) I was with radio HAMS. Your would have been laughed at if you denied that satellite's existence! The "Sputnik Beep" coming through on 20.007 MHz was pretty distinctive - try to figure out how the Russians could fake that in 1957!

I've said enough, so I'll close by simply saying that The Flat Earth Society does a wonderful service in gathering all the evidence for a Globe!


[1] In place of "xxxxx" insert one or more of NASA, Rosicrucian, Illuminati, FreeMasons, Jesuit, Zionist, Papist, the Brotherhood and a few others. I have not yet heard of Mormon, but maybe someone will come out with it.
Thank you for your input. So your belief of flat earth  (or nonbeliefe in your case haha) has affected your life by showing you the earth is for sure round. I just want make sure that's what I was getting from that. Please let me know if that's not correct. Has that had an affect on your beliefs, career, relationships with others?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: rabinoz on May 27, 2016, 03:09:20 AM
What influence does your belief that the earth is flat have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?
I'll go right back to the OP. I am not a "Flat Earther", but since seeing the arguments on this site and doing more research on the topic than ever before, I am now much more sure of my conviction that the Earth is a Globe orbiting the Sun.

All the arguments that it's philosophical, or a xxxxx plot[1] are just a distraction. The earth is a physical object capable of inspection and the properties can be determined.

But, as soon as we claim the findings of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Cavendish and even Einstein we get told that they were Papist, Alchemists, Sunworshippers, Autistic, Freemasons or something else.

No, whether the earth is a Globe or not is simply a physical present day fact to be determined by the available evidence. Once we start excluding evidence simply because it goes against our cherished beliefs is simply being dishonest.

So many drag in distractions about Cosmology, Evolution and understanding the cause of Gravitation that distract from the simple determination of the "shape of the earth". Over the centuries it has been measured in every way you can think, so we can determine the shape it we just look at the evidence.

From what I have seen the idea of a NASA conspiracy did not come till well into the "space age". Back when Sputnik I was launched (yes, I remember it well, it was on my birthday) I was with radio HAMS. Your would have been laughed at if you denied that satellite's existence! The "Sputnik Beep" coming through on 20.007 MHz was pretty distinctive - try to figure out how the Russians could fake that in 1957!

I've said enough, so I'll close by simply saying that The Flat Earth Society does a wonderful service in gathering all the evidence for a Globe!


[1] In place of "xxxxx" insert one or more of NASA, Rosicrucian, Illuminati, FreeMasons, Jesuit, Zionist, Papist, the Brotherhood and a few others. I have not yet heard of Mormon, but maybe someone will come out with it.
Thank you for your input. So your belief of flat earth  (or nonbeliefe in your case haha) has affected your life by showing you the earth is for sure round. I just want make sure that's what I was getting from that. Please let me know if that's not correct. Has that had an affect on your beliefs, career, relationships with others?
Not my "belief of flat earth", but my time on this site has confirmed my views.
No, but since my belief has not changed, just become more certain, that's not surprising.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Tommi Atkins on May 27, 2016, 03:49:58 PM
Its made me much more comfortable knowing Gods word is true. Unfortunately I cant leave my house now because my maps don't work.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 27, 2016, 03:56:23 PM
Actually, flat earthers are not against travel in general. Lots of folks think we'd be paranoid about it - I've been asked this a few times. In reality, I've traveled the world, and our President has as well.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 27, 2016, 03:57:48 PM
Actually, flat earthers are not against travel in general. Lots of folks think we'd be paranoid about it - I've been asked this a few times. In reality, I've traveled the world, and our President has as well.

Did your travels include the southern hemisphere?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Tommi Atkins on May 27, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
Actually, flat earthers are not against travel in general. Lots of folks think we'd be paranoid about it - I've been asked this a few times. In reality, I've traveled the world, and our President has as well.

I'm not going out until I can rip up the ballheads maps.

I am however really pleased that you travel the world. You can demonstrate the lie.
If you travel using a Globetards map or a flat earth one? I am really keen to see the working Flat earth map.
Can you post the one you use in your reply?
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 27, 2016, 04:05:00 PM
Indeed. Notably I traveled to Punta Arenas and was denied access to the Antarctic due to "weather" last minute.  I have also been to Australia so can verify it does indeed exist. (inb4 Neil.) While at the peak of civilization on the rim, I noted that the sun rise and set times did not match up with the predicted times which was especially interesting due to it being during the period where one could expect much longer times than usual. To verify to our members that I actually went there, I sent a postcard to a former administrator here and posted from an ip that could be verified (at least at the time.)

The working flat earth map is actually a non-euclidean one. This explains the ability to use projections to a fair amount of accuracy, much like the success of Portolan maps. The modern evolution of the globe is directly due to the evolutionary expansion of techniques similar to those used in portolan maps.

Its no wonder they have to stitch together a flat map to make the famous 'blue marble.'

Edit: that reminds me, I need to send Gayer some four leaf clovers!
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 27, 2016, 04:10:50 PM
Indeed. Notably I traveled to Punta Arenas and was denied access to the Antarctic due to "weather" last minute. 

And I suppose anyone who ever wanted to go to Antarctica was denied due to weather?  That totally is the first thing I would assume. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 27, 2016, 04:13:58 PM
No, as I've said many times in the past, I'm sure it was just weather. I've never been much for the conspiracy. I'd rather think folks are in err rather than in malice.  People travel there often, or so I'm told. It is however, notable enough to mention. The nature of the plane is so obvious, there is no reason for us to rest our weight on conspiracy.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 27, 2016, 04:20:25 PM
No, as I've said many times in the past, I'm sure it was just weather. I've never been much for the conspiracy. I'd rather think folks are in err rather than in malice.  People travel there often, or so I'm told. It is however, notable enough to mention. The nature of the plane is so obvious, there is no reason for us to rest our weight on conspiracy.

So why did you put "weather" in quotation marks? 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 27, 2016, 04:23:14 PM
It seemed like a rather calm day to me, as memory serves. But there are a thousand other explanations. "Cancelled due to weather" is a fairly common way to cancel something, even if it had little to do with weather.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 27, 2016, 04:54:14 PM
"Cancelled due to weather" is a fairly common way to cancel something, even if it had little to do with weather.

Maybe for commoners/peasants/plebeians, but not for professional companies, including tourism agencies.  Weather in Antarctica is pretty touchy, especially around the coast, and Antarctica is no place to be stranded during an arctic storm.  Plus, liability and all that would make them pretty strict about stuff like that. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Username on May 27, 2016, 05:41:14 PM
I agree, I'm perfectly sure in this case there is no reason to yell "conspiracy!"  I felt it odd enough to mention.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 27, 2016, 05:55:01 PM
"Cancelled due to weather" is a fairly common way to cancel something, even if it had little to do with weather.

Maybe for commoners/peasants/plebeians, but not for professional companies, including tourism agencies.  Weather in Antarctica is pretty touchy, especially around the coast, and Antarctica is no place to be stranded during an arctic storm.  Plus, liability and all that would make them pretty strict about stuff like that.

You are steadily increasing in anger blue moon......YOU OK? Need an ego or a hot pocket? A snickers? Are you turning into Rosanne?

Maybe a cat to play with? (A real one, not a metaphorical one, get your mind out of the gutter)
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Blue_Moon on May 27, 2016, 06:32:17 PM

You are steadily increasing in anger blue moon......YOU OK? Need an ego or a hot pocket? A snickers? Are you turning into Rosanne?

Maybe a cat to play with? (A real one, not a metaphorical one, get your mind out of the gutter)

I'm fine, but my patience is wearing thin.  I do have a very fluffy cat sleeping next to me, so that helps a little. 
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 27, 2016, 06:44:34 PM

You are steadily increasing in anger blue moon......YOU OK? Need an ego or a hot pocket? A snickers? Are you turning into Rosanne?

Maybe a cat to play with? (A real one, not a metaphorical one, get your mind out of the gutter)

I'm fine, but my patience is wearing thin.  I do have a very fluffy cat sleeping next to me, so that helps a little.

Just smile my friend!! My 14 year old cat passed very recently, be happy to be with the fluffy one. Only person that really grinds my gears here is Heiwa. If I could only be a mod for 5 minutes.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: amoracanoe on May 28, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
I don't think it was a rant, you spoke truth, we tend to take the George Carlin approach to the federal government. I'm very happy I went through the process before my son was born, if he wants to be property of the government when he's older then he can be.... but I doubt he will be. So, I know you're on the round side of this (I think), in your opinion is there a solution to this argument? Do you think opting out funding NASA would decrease controversy? Do you think an increase in awareness of the limits of personal income tax would help calm the flat side because their no longer responsible financially? Or would increase in awareness cause too many people to leave the system and severely decrease funding to the program? Or is this literally the "turtles all the way down" argument?

My honest opinion, I think we are "fucked" in every way in america at least. The dumbing down and brain washing that has been in the process for about 70 years is in full swing. It is effecting people from birth now, and that is the deadly thing. It didn't have much effect on my grandfathers generation (who raised me), they were too proud, strong and they just got shit done..no excuses. What we have now is just the very end of their coat tail we are still riding on. Just look at the generation now and even my generation, I really have my grandfather to thank, as I was able to see through the fog with his guidance . Though he also pushed the crap out of me too, I was in college at 15 and doctorates with a separate masters by 22. Immediately started a business afterwards, and now about to turn 32 and have the freedom to do what I want.  I hated him for it honestly, which I feel horrible now for since he is no longer here and I know what he was doing and why.

The whole point to that is, this spirit is all but dead. I could have been turned into your average american myself. Critical thought, raw determination, concern for your fellow man, ect ect ect has all but been destroyed. Replaced by an undeserved self entitlement, raw narcissism, laziness, no concern for the fellow man ect ect. Nothing but failure can come from this. Why do you think our debt is so high??? The people running the country doesnt care, just sweep it under the rug for the next guy. America is a joke now...I love the land but the majority of the people and anyone in the government I cant stand.

So could I come up with some creative solutions to reach people....Maybe... but the magic trick the ones running the show have designed is solid and works. The mainstream looks at Kim Ks ass, instead of how the middle class is all but fleeced. Or they are worried a guy who wants a vagina cant use the womens bathroom, yet the 3 new laws that just passed that puts us one foot forward into socialism no one cares about. Its the strobe light while the magician hits the trap door, it works and people are amazed.

I am worried for my country, and am embarrassed of my people. Putin called it right when he lashed out towards us. I hate it and wish I could do something....I have had no real quality ideas of what.


FYI, I am on the side of truth, I wouldn't consider myself a roundy or a flat head. That is why I am prone to lash out to either side. Though I will say as of now, I have really seen no evidence that can convert me to the flat side, the globe fits nicely. I would be more prone to a hybrid geocentric than anything, however, if I see truth then that is my side...the earth could be a rumbas.
Ah good ol' rhombus earth haha, just messing. I hear you and for the most part agree. We've created a system that keeps most people dependent on their government, have low income, low education, etc. and now many feel they're entitled to anything they want. People always say "that wasn't me, I didn't create these problems" but we didn't stop them either. I wasn't born when the bc and tax systems were made and remained just as much in the dark as others for many years, when I finally figured it out, I had to act against it. To me it seems that support of fet is similar. I don't think it's just about the shape, I think it's mostly about the deception because I'd be lying if I said I didn't have concerns about actions of deception by NASA. The funny thing is it doesn't make me feel disrespect for some of the people involved like the astronauts. Best example and the one people talk most about is Neil Armstrong. I would have to assume that most people know about his actions after Apollo, they know he was very depressed for years and stepped away from public eye. I feel that the speech he made on the Anniversary was made with a lot of sadness and remorse (for whatever reason). If the moon landings were faked we don't know the threats or force that was flexed on these individuals or what they endured the years after. I don't consider all people involved to be liars but I do recognize that I have a right to respectfully have different views as we all are. I see this argument more as a wake up call to what's really going on and I think that's great, because even if you don't agree with fet, at least you become aware of the reasons for it. I do feel that if enough people get with the program changes can be made, I'm sure it won't happen in my lifetime tho. I see changes with the sovereign citizen movement (at least the ones that don't act like d bags), people are becoming educated of their rights and doing something about it. Yes I've had interactions with law enforcement and government agencies since I stopped participating in the system and they've all been respectful and courteous. My cousin, a police officer, said he's seen a marked change in citizens being educated on their rights and that he feels like it helps protect truly innocent people from being unlawfully charged. It's things like that that keep me hopeful. I also love my country but I see everyday that a little more of our civil liberties are being hacked away and people say "what's the big deal? We have it so good here". I hate that, it doesn't matter how good people think it is, that's what we are told we are supposed to have, you can't say "you have the right to free speech but...." it doesn't work that way but instead of standing up, we back down. I support everyone here as long as they ALL KEEP TALKING! People here are incredible intelligent and reasonable and they are aware of the realities encompassed in this situation. So on both round and flat side, I encourage you to seek answers but truth is a touchy subject because in truth someone will be right and someone will be wrong but we as rational people must learn to recognize that anger and violence may come, it is our responsibility to make sure that doesn't occur, to offer amnesty and forgiveness. I personally seek peace but the burden of that possibility falls on our shoulders.
Title: Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 29, 2016, 02:12:37 AM
Post above ^, shortened for ease of reading

What? I meant the world was in the shape of a Cuban dance lol. I deserved that, I have been lazy in not proof reading anything or checking for auto corrections ect. 

The question is, how do you defeat a mentality that is instilled on people at birth now. A system that is designed to start with children at their peak age of impression.

When the parents AND children are infected with a virus, what course of action do you take for survival?