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Title: self awarness
Post by: david bolis on April 15, 2016, 11:00:09 PM
how do we really know that humans, us are self aware? please give me an answer. As i remember one day i was walking at a shopping center, as i was walking i see a guy wearing the exact same shirt and same pants and looked exactly like me, it took me a second or so to figure it out that i was looking at a mirror opposite to me, and that's when i remembered an article i read on Facebook that talks about self awareness and  the person who wrote the article mentioned that cats and dogs sometimes do not recognize themselves in the mirror and that's proof that they are not self aware. but then i also remembered that babies until the age of 18 months do not actually see their reflection at the mirror as themselves, but someone else, some babies even laugh and act as if it was a real person. does that mean that a young human is not actually self aware? consciousness, i believe that consciousness is something that does develop over time, i am also aware that science has not yet detected a physical place of where the human consciousness is located in someone's body. What makes you, you. What makes me who i am is it my arms, legs or heart? because as far as i know scientists and doctors can in fact replace my kidney with someone's else they can also replace my heart and pretty much all my organs, but for some reason i remain to be me. there is an operation where doctors remove one half of the brain, and the person still remains the same person. how  does that work? how is it that we can remove anything in the human body but yet remain the same people with the same characteristics? 
Title: Re: self awarness
Post by: Ecthelion on April 17, 2016, 08:55:11 AM
how do we really know that humans, us are self aware? please give me an answer.

Who is writing this? Are you aware that it is you, thinking your thoughts and writing your posts? Then you are self aware. It's not difficult to tell for oneself. It's impossible to tell for everyone else.

As i remember one day i was walking at a shopping center, as i was walking i see a guy wearing the exact same shirt and same pants and looked exactly like me, it took me a second or so to figure it out that i was looking at a mirror opposite to me, and that's when i remembered an article i read on Facebook that talks about self awareness and  the person who wrote the article mentioned that cats and dogs sometimes do not recognize themselves in the mirror and that's proof that they are not self aware. but then i also remembered that babies until the age of 18 months do not actually see their reflection at the mirror as themselves, but someone else, some babies even laugh and act as if it was a real person. does that mean that a young human is not actually self aware?

That is the assumption, yes. The thing is we only guess based on how much others behave like ourselves, we don't really have direct access to their self awareness.

consciousness, i believe that consciousness is something that does develop over time, i am also aware that science has not yet detected a physical place of where the human consciousness is located in someone's body.

Insofar as that is possible, science has located it: The brain. The thing is science cannot ever look at consciousness directly. We can look at brainscans and infer from those that whatever we are looking at is similar to us, and we are conscious, so the other person is too. But really that's a guess. In reality, all you truely know is yourself.

What makes you, you.

Just the most barest awareness of self, abstracted from anything else. You are simply that which accompanies all you thoughts. Without you, your thoughts are not, but without your thoughts, you are nothing.

What makes me who i am is it my arms, legs or heart? because as far as i know scientists and doctors can in fact replace my kidney with someone's else they can also replace my heart and pretty much all my organs, but for some reason i remain to be me.

All your body is already outside "you". You feel it, but your are not it.

there is an operation where doctors remove one half of the brain, and the person still remains the same person.

Highly unlikely. Do you have a source?

how  does that work? how is it that we can remove anything in the human body but yet remain the same people with the same characteristics?

Brain damage is a thing. You can change a person by changing their brain. Without a brain you are not, though you aren't your brain in the sense that "you" isn't any physical substance.