This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.It's not something made up, it is a phenomenon that any can observe so it happens in reality. The orbits of the planets explain this in RET. Since you cannot say this event does not happen, and if RET is wrong, then how does FET explain this?
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.It's not something made up, it is a phenomenon that any can observe so it happens in reality. The orbits of the planets explain this in RET. Since you cannot say this event does not happen, and if RET is wrong, then how does FET explain this?
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun.
Why? It revolves around the Sun but suddenly it makes an odd loop? I'm not saying one cannot observe it (personally I've never seen though). Im saying that I don't agree that 'it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun'. See, I read the OP.
This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun.
Why? It revolves around the Sun but suddenly it makes an odd loop? I'm not saying one cannot observe it (personally I've never seen though). Im saying that I don't agree that 'it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun'. See, I read the OP.
How do you the planets exactly moving? Maybe their normally route is that. And how can you prove their movement like your drawn. Why sould we believe your draving?
This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun.
Why? It revolves around the Sun but suddenly it makes an odd loop? I'm not saying one cannot observe it (personally I've never seen though). Im saying that I don't agree that 'it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun'. See, I read the OP.
This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun.
Why? It revolves around the Sun but suddenly it makes an odd loop? I'm not saying one cannot observe it (personally I've never seen though). Im saying that I don't agree that 'it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun'. See, I read the OP.
You are failing to understand. It is what is expected to happen for the heliocentric model. Planets in retrograde was one of the things that led people many, many years ago to begin thinking the Earth was not flat and revolved around the sun with the other planets. Simply because it was hard to explain the observations of planets and everything revolving around the Earth. The reality is the movements and positions of planets can be reliably predicted using the RE and heliocentric models.
While not definitive proof it is evidence that the Earth revolves around the sun. You then add other stuff like eclipses, tides, the ISS and some satellites being observable, Foucault pendulums, plate tectonics, seismology, pictures, videos, celestial navigation, etc. It really begins to seem the Earth is round and revolves around the sun.
This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun.
Why? It revolves around the Sun but suddenly it makes an odd loop? I'm not saying one cannot observe it (personally I've never seen though). Im saying that I don't agree that 'it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun'. See, I read the OP.
Because you are ignorant of planetary motions, you really shouldn't be critiquing the original posters statement.
That is your arguement correct? You don't understand why something is happening so therefore you don't agree with the explanation?
I personally don't know much about retrograde planetary motions, so I don't go spouting my ignorance to the world.
That problem with that is that we can use the math to accurately predict when this will happen. If this was just some random thing happening then we wouldn't be able to use the model to predict it.This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun.
Why? It revolves around the Sun but suddenly it makes an odd loop? I'm not saying one cannot observe it (personally I've never seen though). Im saying that I don't agree that 'it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun'. See, I read the OP.
Because you are ignorant of planetary motions, you really shouldn't be critiquing the original posters statement.
That is your arguement correct? You don't understand why something is happening so therefore you don't agree with the explanation?
I personally don't know much about retrograde planetary motions, so I don't go spouting my ignorance to the world.
You don't need a PhD on planetary motion for this thread, I suppose.lol Just read the OP.
It describes an unusual loop within a loop and the explanation is more awkward than the event itself. My opinion is that the explanation of this movement is pure fiction. You observe a planet giving an extra short loop, then you search for the explanation and naively believe that "the planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun". lol
That problem with that is that we can use the math to accurately predict when this will happen. If this was just some random thing happening then we wouldn't be able to use the model to predict it.This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun.
Why? It revolves around the Sun but suddenly it makes an odd loop? I'm not saying one cannot observe it (personally I've never seen though). Im saying that I don't agree that 'it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun'. See, I read the OP.
Because you are ignorant of planetary motions, you really shouldn't be critiquing the original posters statement.
That is your arguement correct? You don't understand why something is happening so therefore you don't agree with the explanation?
I personally don't know much about retrograde planetary motions, so I don't go spouting my ignorance to the world.
You don't need a PhD on planetary motion for this thread, I suppose.lol Just read the OP.
It describes an unusual loop within a loop and the explanation is more awkward than the event itself. My opinion is that the explanation of this movement is pure fiction. You observe a planet giving an extra short loop, then you search for the explanation and naively believe that "the planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun". lol
You don't need a PhD on planetary motion for this thread, I suppose.lol Just read the OP.That problem with that is that we can use the math to accurately predict when this will happen. If this was just some random thing happening then we wouldn't be able to use the model to predict it.
It describes an unusual loop within a loop and the explanation is more awkward than the event itself. My opinion is that the explanation of this movement is pure fiction. You observe a planet giving an extra short loop, then you search for the explanation and naively believe that "the planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun". lol
Yes, very convincing indeed.
I'm going to make this real simple for you, Uninvited Guest. Earth and Mars both orbit the sun in the same direction. If we view the north pole as the "top" they are orbiting counter-clockwise. Earth orbits faster than Mars (This fact can be shown using observation or derived mathematically). Most of the time we see Mars going across the sky towards the East. However, when our motion is close to parallel with Mars' motion, it appears to be moving West. This is because we are moving faster than Mars, so relative to us, Mars looks like it's going backwards in its orbit. It's like when you're driving on the freeway, any cars that are moving slower than you appear to be moving backwards, even though you are both moving in the same direction.Well, here's a post that will set you mind back a few millenia! Even Ptolemy would have been horrified! Geocentric Model of the Universe (! Think) (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66484.msg1773513#msg1773513).
That problem with that is that we can use the math to accurately predict when this will happen. If this was just some random thing happening then we wouldn't be able to use the model to predict it.This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun.
Why? It revolves around the Sun but suddenly it makes an odd loop? I'm not saying one cannot observe it (personally I've never seen though). Im saying that I don't agree that 'it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun'. See, I read the OP.
Because you are ignorant of planetary motions, you really shouldn't be critiquing the original posters statement.
That is your arguement correct? You don't understand why something is happening so therefore you don't agree with the explanation?
I personally don't know much about retrograde planetary motions, so I don't go spouting my ignorance to the world.
You don't need a PhD on planetary motion for this thread, I suppose.lol Just read the OP.
It describes an unusual loop within a loop and the explanation is more awkward than the event itself. My opinion is that the explanation of this movement is pure fiction. You observe a planet giving an extra short loop, then you search for the explanation and naively believe that "the planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun". lol
Yes, very convincing indeed.
Geocentric retrograde motion, from Galileo Was Wrong:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040413183325/http://catholicintl.com/epologetics/geo18.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20040413183325/http://catholicintl.com/epologetics/geo18.html)
Someone mentioned Copernicus here.
HOW COPERNICUS' BIOGRAPHY WAS FORGED/FALSIFIED:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1643860#msg1643860 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1643860#msg1643860)
Geocentric model = Flat Earth model
The shape of the Earth CANNOT be a sphere, and at the same time be stationary (not rotating around its own axis).
This is something that most noted researchers into this field (geocentricity) must understand.
They cannot explain how four trillion billion liters of water stay glued next to the surface of the Earth: terrestrial gravity is not attractive.
Gravity is a force of pressure, but this can only happen on a flat surface of the Earth.
Geocentric model = Flat Earth model
The shape of the Earth CANNOT be a sphere, and at the same time be stationary (not rotating around its own axis).
This is something that most noted researchers into this field (geocentricity) must understand.
They cannot explain how four trillion billion liters of water stay glued next to the surface of the Earth: terrestrial gravity is not attractive.
Gravity is a force of pressure, but this can only happen on a flat surface of the Earth.
Geocentrism is not the same as the FE model; the link you referred explicitly said that planets, stars and the Sun orbit the Earth, and presumably accepts the existence of gravity. This is not the case on the FE, where in most models, celestial objects are rotating above a flat plain.
Also, I don't really see what you mean by "terrestrial gravity is not attractive." There's no such thing as "terrestrial gravity". Gravity is a single force that causes mass to attract mass. You say that gravity is a force of pressure - even though you haven't demonstrated or proven this - and then say that this can only happen on the Flat Earth. You are committing to a logical fallacy to argue; you say "I assume Earth is flat, therefore gravity must work this way." This will not do. You have to demonstrate that this is how gravity works.
I wouldn't hold my breath. Here is part of a post about the south celestial pole.This is exactly what the Round Earth model predicts.
I see.
The planets aren't actually moving like this, of course; it's simply an illusion caused by the movement of the planets around the Sun:
I saw it coming...
This behavior is not possible to explain using the FE model.
Of course not. This is pure fiction.
It goes like: "Round Earth model predicts this phenomenon beautifully. But wait, it is not what it seems. You have to imagine it as we did. See how it works perfectly according to our theory?". lol
Sounds like you either didn't read or didn't understand the OP. Retrograde motion is exactly what we would expect to see if the planets revolved around the sun. If we didn't see retrograde motion, that would be a strike against the current model.
Once again, no real objection to the point brought up, just a meaningless argument from incredulity. I'm going to be remarkably generous and assume that was a joke, so now is your chance to present your actual rebuttal.
It was Jane, I think that said maybe they aren't all like that, but I wonder!. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I mean after all, they're just lights in the sky. How much can we expect to ever know about them?
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