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Title: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on July 31, 2015, 09:10:47 AM
Ah, good old Jeranism, thinking he is so much more intelligent than the little science shills...

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Seriously, somebody has to tell this guy that we don't see the same stars all year. And, while we're at it, let's also tell him that what he is pointing at is not the Big Dipper, but the Little Dipper. It's sad that people actually believe this guy.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on July 31, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
I know, he is flat out stupid. He doen't even quite know the difference between left and right.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on July 31, 2015, 09:35:54 AM
I know, he is flat out stupid. He doen't even quite know the difference between left and right.

"flat out stupid". I really hope this pun was indeed intended :)

The sad part is that people think he is intelligent because... I don't know, he sounds intelligent to them I guess? He just ponders over things and repeats them over and over and over again, then pauses, uses flawed logic, compares throwing chalks at a chalkboard to molecules combining, and continues some more saying how "science indoctrinates people" and it "is not open to criticism" because it rejects idiots like him, and for some reason uses the fact that nobody has ever bred a dog out of a cat as a point against evolution, which makes... no sense.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on July 31, 2015, 10:03:43 AM
I know, he is flat out stupid. He doen't even quite know the difference between left and right.

"flat out stupid". I really hope this pun was indeed intended :)

The sad part is that people think he is intelligent because... I don't know, he sounds intelligent to them I guess? He just ponders over things and repeats them over and over and over again, then pauses, uses flawed logic, compares throwing chalks at a chalkboard to molecules combining, and continues some more saying how "science indoctrinates people" and it "is not open to criticism" because it rejects idiots like him, and for some reason uses the fact that nobody has ever bred a dog out of a cat as a point against evolution, which makes... no sense.

He knows what his audience wants to hear, and he is not claiming to be super smart or superior. That's where he wins a lot of viewers.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on July 31, 2015, 12:01:50 PM
I know, he is flat out stupid. He doen't even quite know the difference between left and right.

"flat out stupid". I really hope this pun was indeed intended :)

The sad part is that people think he is intelligent because... I don't know, he sounds intelligent to them I guess? He just ponders over things and repeats them over and over and over again, then pauses, uses flawed logic, compares throwing chalks at a chalkboard to molecules combining, and continues some more saying how "science indoctrinates people" and it "is not open to criticism" because it rejects idiots like him, and for some reason uses the fact that nobody has ever bred a dog out of a cat as a point against evolution, which makes... no sense.

He knows what his audience wants to hear, and he is not claiming to be super smart or superior. That's where he wins a lot of viewers.

He definitely appears to pretend to be superior to me. Even the fact that he appears to think that seasonal stars is such a groundbreaking, unique discovery by him that has not been noticed by the thousands if not millions of scientists much more intelligent than him and then proceeding to call them dipshits shows a certain degree of arrogance. I think he makes his viewers feel "smart" and "critically thinking" because they know the "truth" that everybody else doesn't know, because they are "sleeping sheep".
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: markjo on July 31, 2015, 12:23:11 PM
I really wish that FE'ers would learn what RET actually predicts. 

Wow, I can't see Polaris during the day, so the earth must be flat.  ::)

Why is he looking at stars near the celestial poles when he should be looking stars near the celestial equator instead?  Does he think that no one will notice little details like that? 
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on July 31, 2015, 12:49:01 PM
I really wish that FE'ers would learn what RET actually predicts. 

Wow, I can't see Polaris during the day, so the earth must be flat.  ::)

Why is he looking at stars near the celestial poles when he should be looking stars near the celestial equator instead?  Does he think that no one will notice little details like that?

But why do you say that? The "Big Dipper" is a simple "star system" and easier to understand!

(sarcasm)

Anyway, I don't know if that stems from his massive idiocy or from his need to deceive people.

By the way, are you a FE or an RE? I am kinda confused lol
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on July 31, 2015, 12:57:48 PM
I know, he is flat out stupid. He doen't even quite know the difference between left and right.

"flat out stupid". I really hope this pun was indeed intended :)

The sad part is that people think he is intelligent because... I don't know, he sounds intelligent to them I guess? He just ponders over things and repeats them over and over and over again, then pauses, uses flawed logic, compares throwing chalks at a chalkboard to molecules combining, and continues some more saying how "science indoctrinates people" and it "is not open to criticism" because it rejects idiots like him, and for some reason uses the fact that nobody has ever bred a dog out of a cat as a point against evolution, which makes... no sense.

He knows what his audience wants to hear, and he is not claiming to be super smart or superior. That's where he wins a lot of viewers.

He definitely appears to pretend to be superior to me. Even the fact that he appears to think that seasonal stars is such a groundbreaking, unique discovery by him that has not been noticed by the thousands if not millions of scientists much more intelligent than him and then proceeding to call them dipshits shows a certain degree of arrogance. I think he makes his viewers feel "smart" and "critically thinking" because they know the "truth" that everybody else doesn't know, because they are "sleeping sheep".

Kinda. He acts like it, although he does say throughout most of his videos he is not an expert. He usually says that the round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them. But he also makes it clear that it is "simple once you open your mind", meaning that anyone can see through it regardless of intelligence or knowledge. In that way he marks himself as a person of generic expertise/knowledge. He also say straight out that he only just read up on stuff, admitting that he doesn't have proper education in the subjects. But yes, he is arrogant and thinks he is smarter than people who have doctorates in advanced physics and other scientific subjects that believes in spherical earth or works for Nasa or other space agencies.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on July 31, 2015, 01:51:54 PM
I know, he is flat out stupid. He doen't even quite know the difference between left and right.

"flat out stupid". I really hope this pun was indeed intended :)

The sad part is that people think he is intelligent because... I don't know, he sounds intelligent to them I guess? He just ponders over things and repeats them over and over and over again, then pauses, uses flawed logic, compares throwing chalks at a chalkboard to molecules combining, and continues some more saying how "science indoctrinates people" and it "is not open to criticism" because it rejects idiots like him, and for some reason uses the fact that nobody has ever bred a dog out of a cat as a point against evolution, which makes... no sense.

He knows what his audience wants to hear, and he is not claiming to be super smart or superior. That's where he wins a lot of viewers.

He definitely appears to pretend to be superior to me. Even the fact that he appears to think that seasonal stars is such a groundbreaking, unique discovery by him that has not been noticed by the thousands if not millions of scientists much more intelligent than him and then proceeding to call them dipshits shows a certain degree of arrogance. I think he makes his viewers feel "smart" and "critically thinking" because they know the "truth" that everybody else doesn't know, because they are "sleeping sheep".

Kinda. He acts like it, although he does say throughout most of his videos he is not an expert. He usually says that the round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them. But he also makes it clear that it is "simple once you open your mind", meaning that anyone can see through it regardless of intelligence or knowledge. In that way he marks himself as a person of generic expertise/knowledge. He also say straight out that he only just read up on stuff, admitting that he doesn't have proper education in the subjects. But yes, he is arrogant and thinks he is smarter than people who have doctorates in advanced physics and other scientific subjects that believes in spherical earth or works for Nasa or other space agencies.

OK, I see what you mean. But I just can't stand the way these guys just shit all over the hard work of scientists and NASA and insult them like that. And maybe Jeranism should open his mind as well and realize what the truth is. Besides, he KNOWS that his influence on some people is very great, and he might mislead them, so he should be careful of what he says. I mean, thanks to him, some people are now considered dipshits for repeating what he says. He should realize that he has thousands of viewers and he should check twice before saying whatever stupid thing he wants to say. Besides, if he does open his mind, the basis of science and the ways everything is derived is all out there. He can check it all out, and if he finds something that he thinks is wrong, he can simply ask a real scientist to clarify. That's why I can't stand people who think that special relativity is a lie. All you have to accept is that the speed of light is finite and appears the same to every observer. If you accept that, then it can derived relatively simply.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on July 31, 2015, 02:53:25 PM
I know, he is flat out stupid. He doen't even quite know the difference between left and right.

"flat out stupid". I really hope this pun was indeed intended :)

The sad part is that people think he is intelligent because... I don't know, he sounds intelligent to them I guess? He just ponders over things and repeats them over and over and over again, then pauses, uses flawed logic, compares throwing chalks at a chalkboard to molecules combining, and continues some more saying how "science indoctrinates people" and it "is not open to criticism" because it rejects idiots like him, and for some reason uses the fact that nobody has ever bred a dog out of a cat as a point against evolution, which makes... no sense.

He knows what his audience wants to hear, and he is not claiming to be super smart or superior. That's where he wins a lot of viewers.

He definitely appears to pretend to be superior to me. Even the fact that he appears to think that seasonal stars is such a groundbreaking, unique discovery by him that has not been noticed by the thousands if not millions of scientists much more intelligent than him and then proceeding to call them dipshits shows a certain degree of arrogance. I think he makes his viewers feel "smart" and "critically thinking" because they know the "truth" that everybody else doesn't know, because they are "sleeping sheep".

Kinda. He acts like it, although he does say throughout most of his videos he is not an expert. He usually says that the round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them. But he also makes it clear that it is "simple once you open your mind", meaning that anyone can see through it regardless of intelligence or knowledge. In that way he marks himself as a person of generic expertise/knowledge. He also say straight out that he only just read up on stuff, admitting that he doesn't have proper education in the subjects. But yes, he is arrogant and thinks he is smarter than people who have doctorates in advanced physics and other scientific subjects that believes in spherical earth or works for Nasa or other space agencies.

OK, I see what you mean. But I just can't stand the way these guys just shit all over the hard work of scientists and NASA and insult them like that. And maybe Jeranism should open his mind as well and realize what the truth is. Besides, he KNOWS that his influence on some people is very great, and he might mislead them, so he should be careful of what he says. I mean, thanks to him, some people are now considered dipshits for repeating what he says. He should realize that he has thousands of viewers and he should check twice before saying whatever stupid thing he wants to say. Besides, if he does open his mind, the basis of science and the ways everything is derived is all out there. He can check it all out, and if he finds something that he thinks is wrong, he can simply ask a real scientist to clarify. That's why I can't stand people who think that special relativity is a lie. All you have to accept is that the speed of light is finite and appears the same to every observer. If you accept that, then it can derived relatively simply.

Yeah, it's really painful to watch his videos sometimes.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: markjo on July 31, 2015, 03:21:30 PM
What I don't get is why he keeps claiming that modern science is full of dogma that must not ever be challenged when many of those concepts (big bang, expanding universe, evolution, etc.) challenged and overturned the previous dogma that must not ever be challenged (steady state universe, creation, etc.)
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Alpha2Omega on July 31, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
Honestly...  ::)

I made it a few minutes in, as far as the "funeral for the globe", and gave up. A 49-minute-long video? Seriously???

I sure hope he's being paid by someone to put these things together. If not, he needs to find a more useful hobby.

Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on July 31, 2015, 03:57:17 PM
Honestly...  ::)

I made it a few minutes in, as far as the "funeral for the globe", and gave up. A 49-minute-long video? Seriously???

I sure hope he's being paid by someone to put these things together. If not, he needs to find a more useful hobby.

I usually skip a few minutes ahead until the background changes, meaning hes going into a new subject. Impossible to listen straight through unless you believe in it or think that you are actually learning something.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on August 01, 2015, 01:12:49 AM
Honestly...  ::)

I made it a few minutes in, as far as the "funeral for the globe", and gave up. A 49-minute-long video? Seriously???

I sure hope he's being paid by someone to put these things together. If not, he needs to find a more useful hobby.

Yeah, I just skip until the background changes as well. I'm like:
Jeranism: Evolution is a lie and you're being indoctrinated...
Me: Ok, got it, time to skip ahead.
Jeranism: ...but the educational system and your teachers keep...
Me: I thought he'd have changed subject by now... Oh well... let's skip ahead...
Jeranism: ...your teachers...
Me: FUCK! Skip ahead...
Jeranism: ...you can't breed a cat into being a dog.
Me:  ???
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on August 01, 2015, 01:16:44 AM
What I don't get is why he keeps claiming that modern science is full of dogma that must not ever be challenged when many of those concepts (big bang, expanding universe, evolution, etc.) challenged and overturned the previous dogma that must not ever be challenged (steady state universe, creation, etc.)

Because... I don't know...  ???
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on August 01, 2015, 01:34:38 AM
Honestly...  ::)

I made it a few minutes in, as far as the "funeral for the globe", and gave up. A 49-minute-long video? Seriously???

I sure hope he's being paid by someone to put these things together. If not, he needs to find a more useful hobby.

Yeah, I just skip until the background changes as well. I'm like:
Jeranism: Evolution is a lie and you're being indoctrinated...
Me: Ok, got it, time to skip ahead.
Jeranism: ...but the educational system and your teachers keep...
Me: I thought he'd have changed subject by now... Oh well... let's skip ahead...
Jeranism: ...your teachers...
Me: FUCK! Skip ahead...
Jeranism: ...you can't breed a cat into being a dog.
Me:  ???

Yeah. I usually watch his dedicated debunk/proof/hoax videos, more interesting subjects and they show how badly educated and how badly he understands science, as well as it shows his ignorance and lack of proof. It's mostly NASA since, y'know, NASA is all powerful and they control everything and without them the earth has to be flat.

In one video he tried to debunk the coriolis effect. He read from a text "in the northen hemisphere objects veer to the right in relation to the direction of travel and in the southern hemisphere objects veer to the left in relation to the direction of travel." He then brings up a map and draws 2 straight arrows going north and south from the equator. On the northen hemisphere he draws a new arrow that veers to the right in relation to the northen straight arrow to show the coriolis effect. He then draws on the southern hemisphere an arrow that veers to the right in relation to the southern straight line. He had just read that in the southern hemisphere objects veered to the left but he made it veer to the right instead. Unaware of his kindergarten mistake he then came to the conclusion that it is the same directioneverything veers to in either of the hemispheres. I facepalmed kinda hard there. In another or the same video he was watching live feed from the ISS when the sun disappeared behind a part of the ISS. He didn't understand anything apparently as he said "oh, so the sun just disappears in space. That's normal." When the sun appeared again from behind that part he one again had no idea, saying that that has to be proof that NASA is a hoax. Another facepalm.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on August 01, 2015, 10:25:34 AM
Honestly...  ::)

I made it a few minutes in, as far as the "funeral for the globe", and gave up. A 49-minute-long video? Seriously???

I sure hope he's being paid by someone to put these things together. If not, he needs to find a more useful hobby.

Yeah, I just skip until the background changes as well. I'm like:
Jeranism: Evolution is a lie and you're being indoctrinated...
Me: Ok, got it, time to skip ahead.
Jeranism: ...but the educational system and your teachers keep...
Me: I thought he'd have changed subject by now... Oh well... let's skip ahead...
Jeranism: ...your teachers...
Me: FUCK! Skip ahead...
Jeranism: ...you can't breed a cat into being a dog.
Me:  ???

Yeah. I usually watch his dedicated debunk/proof/hoax videos, more interesting subjects and they show how badly educated and how badly he understands science, as well as it shows his ignorance and lack of proof. It's mostly NASA since, y'know, NASA is all powerful and they control everything and without them the earth has to be flat.

In one video he tried to debunk the coriolis effect. He read from a text "in the northen hemisphere objects veer to the right in relation to the direction of travel and in the southern hemisphere objects veer to the left in relation to the direction of travel." He then brings up a map and draws 2 straight arrows going north and south from the equator. On the northen hemisphere he draws a new arrow that veers to the right in relation to the northen straight arrow to show the coriolis effect. He then draws on the southern hemisphere an arrow that veers to the right in relation to the southern straight line. He had just read that in the southern hemisphere objects veered to the left but he made it veer to the right instead. Unaware of his kindergarten mistake he then came to the conclusion that it is the same directioneverything veers to in either of the hemispheres. I facepalmed kinda hard there. In another or the same video he was watching live feed from the ISS when the sun disappeared behind a part of the ISS. He didn't understand anything apparently as he said "oh, so the sun just disappears in space. That's normal." When the sun appeared again from behind that part he one again had no idea, saying that that has to be proof that NASA is a hoax. Another facepalm.

How can his viewers not notice his immense blunders?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 04, 2015, 04:45:48 AM
Ah, good old Jeranism, thinking he is so much more intelligent than the little science shills...

(http://)

Seriously, somebody has to tell this guy that we don't see the same stars all year. And, while we're at it, let's also tell him that what he is pointing at is not the Big Dipper, but the Little Dipper. It's sad that people actually believe this guy.

jeranism is dumb just like the round earthers... he knows no truth...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on August 04, 2015, 02:36:03 PM
Ah, good old Jeranism, thinking he is so much more intelligent than the little science shills...

(http://)

Seriously, somebody has to tell this guy that we don't see the same stars all year. And, while we're at it, let's also tell him that what he is pointing at is not the Big Dipper, but the Little Dipper. It's sad that people actually believe this guy.

jeranism is dumb just like the round earthers... he knows no truth...

You and your concave earth are even more dumb.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 04, 2015, 02:51:19 PM
Ah, good old Jeranism, thinking he is so much more intelligent than the little science shills...

(http://)

Seriously, somebody has to tell this guy that we don't see the same stars all year. And, while we're at it, let's also tell him that what he is pointing at is not the Big Dipper, but the Little Dipper. It's sad that people actually believe this guy.

jeranism is dumb just like the round earthers... he knows no truth...

You and your concave earth are even more dumb.

the truth can not be dumb it can only be truth...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 04, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Jeranism was actually on this forum for a short time.  He is indeed a nut job who needs to attend a first grade science class.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on August 05, 2015, 02:37:44 AM
Ah, good old Jeranism, thinking he is so much more intelligent than the little science shills...

(http://)

Seriously, somebody has to tell this guy that we don't see the same stars all year. And, while we're at it, let's also tell him that what he is pointing at is not the Big Dipper, but the Little Dipper. It's sad that people actually believe this guy.

jeranism is dumb just like the round earthers... he knows no truth...

You and your concave earth are even more dumb.

the truth can not be dumb it can only be truth...

Except of when it's not the truth.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 05, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Ah, good old Jeranism, thinking he is so much more intelligent than the little science shills...

(http://)

Seriously, somebody has to tell this guy that we don't see the same stars all year. And, while we're at it, let's also tell him that what he is pointing at is not the Big Dipper, but the Little Dipper. It's sad that people actually believe this guy.

jeranism is dumb just like the round earthers... he knows no truth...

You and your concave earth are even more dumb.

the truth can not be dumb it can only be truth...

Except of when it's not the truth.

concave earth is truth...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 06, 2015, 12:03:15 AM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Poko on August 06, 2015, 03:29:27 AM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.
You can't ask for evidence of the concave earth. Facts are part of the conspiracy!
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 06, 2015, 07:51:38 AM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on August 06, 2015, 01:46:58 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS

The only thing that could possibly ever be considered something resembling a "proof" would be that stupid flawed experiment.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 06, 2015, 02:00:57 PM
maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS

What thread are you talking about?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: V on August 06, 2015, 02:22:17 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 06, 2015, 02:55:34 PM
maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS

What thread are you talking about?

this one... http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64218.0#.VcPUNvlVghE (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64218.0#.VcPUNvlVghE)
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 06, 2015, 02:57:27 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...








YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 06, 2015, 02:58:59 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS

The only thing that could possibly ever be considered something resembling a "proof" would be that stupid flawed experiment.

what experment tuff little kid??
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: V on August 06, 2015, 03:23:05 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 06, 2015, 03:45:48 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: V on August 06, 2015, 04:06:54 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Yes indeed, I was using an ad hominem attack against your grammar, because your competence in English is likely related to your competence in the sciences.

1. Please show me where you did so, or repeat the demonstration here. I need something that I can do myself to observe this phenomenon.
2. "The way of things" is insufficient. We require a scientific explanation.
3. Who is Lord Steven? What are his credentials?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 06, 2015, 04:35:46 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Yes indeed, I was using an ad hominem attack against your grammar, because your competence in English is likely related to your competence in the sciences.

1. Please show me where you did so, or repeat the demonstration here. I need something that I can do myself to observe this phenomenon.
2. "The way of things" is insufficient. We require a scientific explanation.
3. Who is Lord Steven? What are his credentials?

good admitting you use logical fallasees... idiot...

let cut this short... here is proof for evreything... (http://) i know you will avoid it like a cowerd cause it proves the earth is concave and you can and you will but the truth will always be the earth is concave if you accept the truth or not...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: V on August 06, 2015, 04:43:54 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Yes indeed, I was using an ad hominem attack against your grammar, because your competence in English is likely related to your competence in the sciences.

1. Please show me where you did so, or repeat the demonstration here. I need something that I can do myself to observe this phenomenon.
2. "The way of things" is insufficient. We require a scientific explanation.
3. Who is Lord Steven? What are his credentials?

good admitting you use logical fallasees... idiot...

let cut this short... here is proof for evreything... (http://) i know you will avoid it like a cowerd cause it proves the earth is concave and you can and you will but the truth will always be the earth is concave if you accept the truth or not...
First of all, the ad hominem that I used was against your grammar. Pointing out bad grammar is a valid point, not a logical fallacy.
Second of all, I'm not a coward and I clicked on your video. It's nearly eight hours long. I do not have that much free time available. The person in the video is not a scientist and he is not a professional. Why should I trust him?
He hasn't done any experiments, and his model of curved light is ridiculous. All known physics contradicts that.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 06, 2015, 04:52:00 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Yes indeed, I was using an ad hominem attack against your grammar, because your competence in English is likely related to your competence in the sciences.

1. Please show me where you did so, or repeat the demonstration here. I need something that I can do myself to observe this phenomenon.
2. "The way of things" is insufficient. We require a scientific explanation.
3. Who is Lord Steven? What are his credentials?

good admitting you use logical fallasees... idiot...

let cut this short... here is proof for evreything... (http://) i know you will avoid it like a cowerd cause it proves the earth is concave and you can and you will but the truth will always be the earth is concave if you accept the truth or not...
First of all, the ad hominem that I used was against your grammar. Pointing out bad grammar is a valid point, not a logical fallacy.
Second of all, I'm not a coward and I clicked on your video. It's nearly eight hours long. I do not have that much free time available. The person in the video is not a scientist and he is not a professional. Why should I trust him?
He hasn't done any experiments, and his model of curved light is ridiculous. All known physics contradicts that.

1... attacking my grammer and only my grammer IS logical fallesy... it is inadequte to disprove my points YOU NITWIT... AND YOU JUST SAID AD HOMINEM AND IF IT IS AD HOMINEM IT HAS TO BE A LOGICAL FALLESY THANK YOU FOR PROVING YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE WORD MEANS YOU COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOT
2... what he does is scientific... you dont need a degree or phd to be a scientist you idiot... and he is lord and therefor truth... and all logic is demonstrated and you say he has none yet you never wached the video how would you know?? lies...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: V on August 06, 2015, 05:11:46 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Yes indeed, I was using an ad hominem attack against your grammar, because your competence in English is likely related to your competence in the sciences.

1. Please show me where you did so, or repeat the demonstration here. I need something that I can do myself to observe this phenomenon.
2. "The way of things" is insufficient. We require a scientific explanation.
3. Who is Lord Steven? What are his credentials?

good admitting you use logical fallasees... idiot...

let cut this short... here is proof for evreything... (http://) i know you will avoid it like a cowerd cause it proves the earth is concave and you can and you will but the truth will always be the earth is concave if you accept the truth or not...
First of all, the ad hominem that I used was against your grammar. Pointing out bad grammar is a valid point, not a logical fallacy.
Second of all, I'm not a coward and I clicked on your video. It's nearly eight hours long. I do not have that much free time available. The person in the video is not a scientist and he is not a professional. Why should I trust him?
He hasn't done any experiments, and his model of curved light is ridiculous. All known physics contradicts that.

1... attacking my grammer and only my grammer IS logical fallesy... it is inadequte to disprove my points YOU NITWIT... AND YOU JUST SAID AD HOMINEM AND IF IT IS AD HOMINEM IT HAS TO BE A LOGICAL FALLESY THANK YOU FOR PROVING YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE WORD MEANS YOU COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOT
2... what he does is scientific... you dont need a degree or phd to be a scientist you idiot... and he is lord and therefor truth... and all logic is demonstrated and you say he has none yet you never wached the video how would you know?? lies...
1. I didn't attack only your grammar. Ad hominem can be a valid point in reference to one's grammar. Your command of the English language is often related to your command of other areas. Would you vote for a presidential candidate who spoke with horrible grammar, constantly making mistakes? Probably not.
2. So you're saying I can go out one day, declare that seven hours of simulations are relevant to our world, and demand to be accepted as scientific? That's absurd, and "he is lord and therefor truth" is an appeal to authority (A LOGICAL FALLACY.)
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 06, 2015, 06:06:44 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Yes indeed, I was using an ad hominem attack against your grammar, because your competence in English is likely related to your competence in the sciences.

1. Please show me where you did so, or repeat the demonstration here. I need something that I can do myself to observe this phenomenon.
2. "The way of things" is insufficient. We require a scientific explanation.
3. Who is Lord Steven? What are his credentials?

good admitting you use logical fallasees... idiot...

let cut this short... here is proof for evreything... (http://) i know you will avoid it like a cowerd cause it proves the earth is concave and you can and you will but the truth will always be the earth is concave if you accept the truth or not...
First of all, the ad hominem that I used was against your grammar. Pointing out bad grammar is a valid point, not a logical fallacy.
Second of all, I'm not a coward and I clicked on your video. It's nearly eight hours long. I do not have that much free time available. The person in the video is not a scientist and he is not a professional. Why should I trust him?
He hasn't done any experiments, and his model of curved light is ridiculous. All known physics contradicts that.

1... attacking my grammer and only my grammer IS logical fallesy... it is inadequte to disprove my points YOU NITWIT... AND YOU JUST SAID AD HOMINEM AND IF IT IS AD HOMINEM IT HAS TO BE A LOGICAL FALLESY THANK YOU FOR PROVING YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE WORD MEANS YOU COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOT
2... what he does is scientific... you dont need a degree or phd to be a scientist you idiot... and he is lord and therefor truth... and all logic is demonstrated and you say he has none yet you never wached the video how would you know?? lies...
1. I didn't attack only your grammar. Ad hominem can be a valid point in reference to one's grammar. Your command of the English language is often related to your command of other areas. Would you vote for a presidential candidate who spoke with horrible grammar, constantly making mistakes? Probably not.
2. So you're saying I can go out one day, declare that seven hours of simulations are relevant to our world, and demand to be accepted as scientific? That's absurd, and "he is lord and therefor truth" is an appeal to authority (A LOGICAL FALLACY.)

1... lies...
2... no it is truth... the lord is always right... simple logic... idiot...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 06, 2015, 07:10:25 PM
2... no it is truth... the lord is always right... simple logic... idiot...

The problem is that he is not the lord.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on August 07, 2015, 02:00:14 AM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Yes indeed, I was using an ad hominem attack against your grammar, because your competence in English is likely related to your competence in the sciences.

1. Please show me where you did so, or repeat the demonstration here. I need something that I can do myself to observe this phenomenon.
2. "The way of things" is insufficient. We require a scientific explanation.
3. Who is Lord Steven? What are his credentials?

good admitting you use logical fallasees... idiot...

let cut this short... here is proof for evreything... (http://) i know you will avoid it like a cowerd cause it proves the earth is concave and you can and you will but the truth will always be the earth is concave if you accept the truth or not...

OH MY GOD 8 FUCKING HOURS!!! WHAT KIND OF INSANE PERSON WOULD MAKE THAT AND WHAT KIND OF INSANE PERSON WOULD WATCH THAT??
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 07, 2015, 04:47:26 AM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

maybe check the thread WERE YOU AVOIDED MY PROOFS
First, obligatory ad hominem attack: "where", not "were". Poor grammar does not help you win a debate.
Second, let's disprove your idiocy right here and now:
1. When I look up, I see the sky, not the ocean or land. With a concave Earth we should be seeing other land when we look up.
2. What holds us to the ground? What prevents oceans over us from spilling out?
3. There is no horizon with concave earth.

no... i was refering him to a thread with proof you obviously dont know what ad hominem is and are trying to sound smart...
1... this has been addressed if you do basic research... there is a ball in the middle along with smog that stop you from seeing...
2... natural law...
3... yes there is it is made by horizen being smoged out... this has been proven...


YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED HAHA SUCK ON THIS LIZARD HUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
Yes, I do know what ad hominem is. Why would I use a term that I don't understand?
Anyways:
1. To which "basic research" are you referring? Can you show me any reasonable way to prove this?
2. This is ridiculously vague. What is the name of this natural law? What is its equation? How does it operate on bodies other than Earth?
3. Proven by whom?

you used it to sound smart and as an ad hominem itself irony...

1... yes i can and did...
2... it just the way of things no fancy math or fake suedo science needed...
3... by lord steven...
Yes indeed, I was using an ad hominem attack against your grammar, because your competence in English is likely related to your competence in the sciences.

1. Please show me where you did so, or repeat the demonstration here. I need something that I can do myself to observe this phenomenon.
2. "The way of things" is insufficient. We require a scientific explanation.
3. Who is Lord Steven? What are his credentials?

good admitting you use logical fallasees... idiot...

let cut this short... here is proof for evreything... (http://) i know you will avoid it like a cowerd cause it proves the earth is concave and you can and you will but the truth will always be the earth is concave if you accept the truth or not...

OH MY GOD 8 FUCKING HOURS!!! WHAT KIND OF INSANE PERSON WOULD MAKE THAT AND WHAT KIND OF INSANE PERSON WOULD WATCH THAT??

a truth seekr would do all to find truth...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 07, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
a truth seekr would do all to find truth...

In that case you are not a truth seeker because you blindly stick to your beliefs no matter how much evidence you get that they are wrong.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 07, 2015, 03:05:34 PM
a truth seekr would do all to find truth...

In that case you are not a truth seeker because you blindly stick to your beliefs no matter how much evidence you get that they are wrong.

POOPER SCOOPER AND THE POOP IS YOU AND IS BEING SCOOPED AWAY HAHA POOPER SCOOPER POOPER SCOOPER WERES A DIAPER AND SCOOPS HIS POOP POOPER SCOOPER
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: V on August 07, 2015, 04:31:33 PM
a truth seekr would do all to find truth...

In that case you are not a truth seeker because you blindly stick to your beliefs no matter how much evidence you get that they are wrong.

POOPER SCOOPER AND THE POOP IS YOU AND IS BEING SCOOPED AWAY HAHA POOPER SCOOPER POOPER SCOOPER WERES A DIAPER AND SCOOPS HIS POOP POOPER SCOOPER
How old are you? Five? This isn't debate, this is nonsense.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 07, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
a truth seekr would do all to find truth...

In that case you are not a truth seeker because you blindly stick to your beliefs no matter how much evidence you get that they are wrong.

POOPER SCOOPER AND THE POOP IS YOU AND IS BEING SCOOPED AWAY HAHA POOPER SCOOPER POOPER SCOOPER WERES A DIAPER AND SCOOPS HIS POOP POOPER SCOOPER
How old are you? Five? This isn't debate, this is nonsense.

it was response to an non debate were someone insulted me and i did it back... if they cant dish it they shouldnt take it...
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 07, 2015, 09:21:12 PM
it was response to an non debate were someone insulted me and i did it back... if they cant dish it they shouldnt take it...

That's so christian of you.

[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 08, 2015, 05:23:59 AM
it was response to an non debate were someone insulted me and i did it back... if they cant dish it they shouldnt take it...

That's so christian of you.

[/sarcasm]

FUCK OFF
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: V on August 08, 2015, 07:48:29 AM
I think Seeker's been banned for a week (thanks jroa, for once!)
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 08, 2015, 10:30:18 AM
FUCK OFF

Thanks for proving my point.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 23, 2015, 12:25:52 PM
FUCK OFF

Thanks for proving my point.

THANKS FOR BEING STUPID
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 23, 2015, 03:13:41 PM
THANKS FOR BEING STUPID

You just can't stop proving my point, can you?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: The Truth Seeker on August 23, 2015, 03:18:25 PM
THANKS FOR BEING STUPID

You just can't stop proving my point, can you?

AND YOU JUST CANT STOP BEING A FUCKING WEIRDO CAN YOU YOU FUCKING HOMO!!
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 23, 2015, 04:04:37 PM
AND YOU JUST CANT STOP BEING A FUCKING WEIRDO CAN YOU YOU FUCKING HOMO!!

And you have a nice day too.

And remember:
(http://quoteaddicts.com/media/q1/326678.png)
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 23, 2015, 04:59:11 PM
The Truth Seeker will now be enjoying a month off to think about what appropriate forum conduct is. 
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: jeranism on September 02, 2015, 05:23:49 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

Almost at 5000 huh Mikeman?  Impressive.  Keep bashing me, people see your lies and those of your little ball buddies and then know who to listen to. Pretentious clowns who get kicks calling everyone stupid while thinking because they back science that makes them smart.  Sure it does.... really impressive to drop wikipedia links everywhere.

I see Master is near 1000 Baal Earth Posts too.  Very cool.  With lies like, "He usually says that the round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them."  I love credibility destroyers.  So Master, please link us all to the video where I say, "round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them."  While you are at it... maybe show us a few links to show why you said, "he usually says."

I'll wait for the apology for your lie.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 03, 2015, 01:26:28 AM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

Almost at 5000 huh Mikeman?  Impressive.  Keep bashing me, people see your lies and those of your little ball buddies and then know who to listen to. Pretentious clowns who get kicks calling everyone stupid while thinking because they back science that makes them smart.  Sure it does.... really impressive to drop wikipedia links everywhere.

I see Master is near 1000 Baal Earth Posts too.  Very cool.  With lies like, "He usually says that the round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them."  I love credibility destroyers.  So Master, please link us all to the video where I say, "round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them."  While you are at it... maybe show us a few links to show why you said, "he usually says."

I'll wait for the apology for your lie.

Oh look! Jeranism! I'm sure he's here to address some points that have been made against him!

Oh. Oh wait. No he isn't. He's here to comment about how many posts each person has made.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 03, 2015, 01:50:33 AM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.

Almost at 5000 huh Mikeman?  Impressive.  Keep bashing me, people see your lies and those of your little ball buddies and then know who to listen to. Pretentious clowns who get kicks calling everyone stupid while thinking because they back science that makes them smart.  Sure it does.... really impressive to drop wikipedia links everywhere.

I see Master is near 1000 Baal Earth Posts too.  Very cool.  With lies like, "He usually says that the round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them."  I love credibility destroyers.  So Master, please link us all to the video where I say, "round earth scientists and Nasa are stupid, and that he is smarter than them."  While you are at it... maybe show us a few links to show why you said, "he usually says."

I'll wait for the apology for your lie.

So for anyone here who doesn't know who Jeranism is, Jeranism is a dude who thinks telescopes don't work. Really. Not even joking. He read a couple things on Wikipedia, misinterpreted them, and he thinks that telescopes construct spherical images for some reason. Just check out this video from 5:30: (http://)

Dude, just get a telescope. It's not hard. Look, here's one: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/994422-REG/celestron_21023_cometron_firstscope_3_f_3_95.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/994422-REG/celestron_21023_cometron_firstscope_3_f_3_95.html) It only costs 60 bucks. It's not that expensive. You can use it to watch Saturn, which is clearly spherical and clearly has rings going around it, or Jupiter, or Venus, etc. or even the galaxy of Andromeda if you're under a dark enough sky (in fact, if the sky is dark enough, you can even see it with the naked eye). Then you can point it anywhere on the ground far away, and see that it doesn't randomly "construct" things. OR you can buy a refractive telescope, like this one: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/370181-REG/Celestron_21048_Powerseeker_80_EQ_3_1_80mm_Refractor.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/370181-REG/Celestron_21048_Powerseeker_80_EQ_3_1_80mm_Refractor.html) Chromatic aberration isn't what you think it is. It's just objects sometimes appearing fringing red and green.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on September 03, 2015, 08:22:58 AM
I've used my telescope for terrestrial viewing and it never distorts anything.  Are telescopes intelligent being that photoshop images of planets to make them look round?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: jeranism on September 03, 2015, 09:53:09 AM

I've used my telescope for terrestrial viewing and it never distorts anything.  Are telescopes intelligent being that photoshop images of planets to make them look round?


Until right now, I actually used to think Mike was at least somewhat intelligent.  My thoughts have changed.  Are telescopes intelligent beings derp derp derp?  Nope, they are made with concave mirrors. (Refer to your holy book, the wikipedia for details)


(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2j28d1c.jpg)


Yeah you are right - what was I thinking. Those mirrors don't make anything look spherical.  For the record, I don't think I will be back to waste more time on people who scream globe for a living. You should be ashamed of yourself. 




To anyone who is actually truly interested in exposing this hoax... ending the run of the God hating science backers who can do nothing but repeat nonsense they were taught by men they think are so smart... LEAVE THIS FORUM. Look at this clown Mike, 4900 posts!  Haha, about the globe?  I think he loves balls a bit too much and they can't stop us now. It is flat and no one is laying down anymore. So, come over to chat at jeranism.com or do what you gotta do to not feed these know nothing trolls.








Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on September 03, 2015, 10:04:38 AM
Have you learnt the difference between left and right yet Jeranism?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Charming Anarchist on September 03, 2015, 10:07:49 AM
If Jeranism is dumb, what does that make you shills????   You guys must feel dumber and dumberer if not the dumbest. 

I bet if you shills told whatever friends you may have in real life "Hey!  Guess what?  I spend xxxHours each day trolling Flat Earth online forums trying to convince people the earth is NOT flat. Come join me!  It is fun!" they would look at you like the complete dumbasses you genuinely are. 

Seriously, you guys must feel incredibly dumb arguing with flat earthers ---- even your fake-President has better things to do with his waste of time.  You guys????  Ha! Ha!! Ha! Ha!!
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on September 03, 2015, 10:27:59 AM

I've used my telescope for terrestrial viewing and it never distorts anything.  Are telescopes intelligent being that photoshop images of planets to make them look round?


Until right now, I actually used to think Mike was at least somewhat intelligent.  My thoughts have changed.  Are telescopes intelligent beings derp derp derp?  Nope, they are made with concave mirrors. (Refer to your holy book, the wikipedia for details)


(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2j28d1c.jpg)


Yeah you are right - what was I thinking. Those mirrors don't make anything look spherical.  For the record, I don't think I will be back to waste more time on people who scream globe for a living. You should be ashamed of yourself. 




To anyone who is actually truly interested in exposing this hoax... ending the run of the God hating science backers who can do nothing but repeat nonsense they were taught by men they think are so smart... LEAVE THIS FORUM. Look at this clown Mike, 4900 posts!  Haha, about the globe?  I think he loves balls a bit too much and they can't stop us now. It is flat and no one is laying down anymore. So, come over to chat at jeranism.com or do what you gotta do to not feed these know nothing trolls.


Telescopes are more then just mirrors, and only one variety of telescope uses them.  Telescopes also use lenses which removes distortion.

Just buy a telescope and look at a terrestrial object.  I assure you that it works.  In fact: binoculars are a type of telescope designed specifically for viewing things on the ground and if you use them to look at planets the planets still look very round.  You don't even need a telescope to view the Moon and that always looks round.

Scientists are not God haters.  I am a Christian and I believe that science is valid.  If you don't believe me then refer to the Apollo 8 genesis reading (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8_Genesis_reading) where the crew of Apollo 8 read from Gesisis while orbiting the Moon.  NASA almost got sewed for it.  Why would NASA do this if they are fighting against God?  Every piece of Anerican currency has "In God we trust" engraved or printed on it and that is also the national motto and "One nation under God" is in the pledge of allegiance.  Even Stephen Hawking is undecided on the issue.  The government is indifferent about your religion, your right to worship as you choose is in the constitution and the government respects it.  If there were a conspiracy they could easily take away that right but they don't.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: jeranism on September 03, 2015, 10:28:17 AM
Have you learnt the difference between left and right yet Jeranism?

Wow, you got me. I had no idea.  You're right though. We are on a magical spinning ball accidentally. Spinning 1000 mph and flying 66,000 mph through space... good point. I totally feel the 584 million miles we travel in one year as we orbit the sun (that is one of billions) 93 million miles away. While that sun orbits some other bullshit and our attached atmosphere just goes along with us but allows flies and butterflies to buck the gravity system whenever they want. I guess the oceans want to stay in their basins.... that's how gravity holds the billions of pounds of water to the earth while also doing the same to a newborn baby without crushing it.  How could I be so stupid to trust my eyes when all I need to do is trust in the sound science of evolution and radio carbon dating.  Jeeeezus you fools are classic.  Dating rocks. 4.54 billion years old.  Buhahaha   my white ass!
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: JerkFace on September 03, 2015, 10:35:48 AM
Have you learnt the difference between left and right yet Jeranism?

Wow, you got me. I had no idea.  You're right though. We are on a magical spinning ball accidentally. Spinning 1000 mph and flying 66,000 mph through space... good point. I totally feel the 584 million miles we travel in one year as we orbit the sun (that is one of billions) 93 million miles away. While that sun orbits some other bullshit and our attached atmosphere just goes along with us but allows flies and butterflies to buck the gravity system whenever they want. I guess the oceans want to stay in their basins.... that's how gravity holds the billions of pounds of water to the earth while also doing the same to a newborn baby without crushing it.  How could I be so stupid to trust my eyes when all I need to do is trust in the sound science of evolution and radio carbon dating.  Jeeeezus you fools are classic.  Dating rocks. 4.54 billion years old.  Buhahaha   my white ass!

Now I know why your videos are so lacking in content,  you don't actually have any.   What about stopping with the "argument from incredibility"  nonsense and present something logical that supports your point of view.

Just because you can't comprehend something,  or that you personally find it incredible,  doesn't make it false.

Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: jeranism on September 03, 2015, 10:47:13 AM

I've used my telescope for terrestrial viewing and it never distorts anything.  Are telescopes intelligent being that photoshop images of planets to make them look round?


Until right now, I actually used to think Mike was at least somewhat intelligent.  My thoughts have changed.  Are telescopes intelligent beings derp derp derp?  Nope, they are made with concave mirrors. (Refer to your holy book, the wikipedia for details)


(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2j28d1c.jpg)


Yeah you are right - what was I thinking. Those mirrors don't make anything look spherical.  For the record, I don't think I will be back to waste more time on people who scream globe for a living. You should be ashamed of yourself. 




To anyone who is actually truly interested in exposing this hoax... ending the run of the God hating science backers who can do nothing but repeat nonsense they were taught by men they think are so smart... LEAVE THIS FORUM. Look at this clown Mike, 4900 posts!  Haha, about the globe?  I think he loves balls a bit too much and they can't stop us now. It is flat and no one is laying down anymore. So, come over to chat at jeranism.com or do what you gotta do to not feed these know nothing trolls.


Telescopes are more then just mirrors, and only one variety of telescope uses them.  Telescopes also use lenses which removes distortion.

Just buy a telescope and look at a terrestrial object.  I assure you that it works.  In fact: binoculars are a type of telescope designed specifically for viewing things on the ground and if you use them to look at planets the planets still look very round.  You don't even need a telescope to view the Moon and that always looks round.

Scientists are not God haters.  I am a Christian and I believe that science is valid.  If you don't believe me then refer to the Apollo 8 genesis reading (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8_Genesis_reading) where the crew of Apollo 8 read from Gesisis while orbiting the Moon.  NASA almost got sewed for it.  Why would NASA do this if they are fighting against God?  Every piece of Anerican currency has "In God we trust" engraved or printed on it and that is also the national motto and "One nation under God" is in the pledge of allegiance.  Even Stephen Hawking is undecided on the issue.  The government is indifferent about your religion, your right to worship as you choose is in the constitution and the government respects it.  If there were a conspiracy they could easily take away that right but they don't.

Wow Mike... you got a lot of learning to do.  In God we trust... wasn't this country started by Freemasons?  Who do you think they call God?  One nation, under God.  The conspiracy is being both my friend.  Have you not looked into anything?  That is the big hoax.  Same as as above so below....  How do you think the Banks make money off every war?  They are on both sides.  The God haters, the devil worshippers are on both sides.  They are science and they are religion.  Want to be sick to your stomach?  I basically grew up in a Catholic church and one day as a 8 or 9 year old I was kind of under the altar and saw a little sliding trap door thing. Afraid to touch it, I asked the priest who told me that every Catholic altar in every church has a bone of a martyr inside. Gross right.... well, wait for it.  When the two whistleblower girls came out saying that they had been apart of seances and sacrifices under the Vatican, she said that they sacrificed babies and then they were cut up and the bones were sent to all the new churches across the world....  Yeah, imagine that. Every Catholic church has an altar with the bone of a dead baby that was sacrificed to Lucifer in it.  Competition is sick in the head
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on September 03, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
Have you learnt the difference between left and right yet Jeranism?

Wow, you got me. I had no idea.  You're right though. We are on a magical spinning ball accidentally. Spinning 1000 mph and flying 66,000 mph through space... good point. I totally feel the 584 million miles we travel in one year as we orbit the sun (that is one of billions) 93 million miles away. While that sun orbits some other bullshit and our attached atmosphere just goes along with us but allows flies and butterflies to buck the gravity system whenever they want. I guess the oceans want to stay in their basins.... that's how gravity holds the billions of pounds of water to the earth while also doing the same to a newborn baby without crushing it.  How could I be so stupid to trust my eyes when all I need to do is trust in the sound science of evolution and radio carbon dating.  Jeeeezus you fools are classic.  Dating rocks. 4.54 billion years old.  Buhahaha   my white ass!
So that's a no then.

Come back when you've learnt the difference.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 03, 2015, 11:42:40 AM

I've used my telescope for terrestrial viewing and it never distorts anything.  Are telescopes intelligent being that photoshop images of planets to make them look round?


Until right now, I actually used to think Mike was at least somewhat intelligent.  My thoughts have changed.  Are telescopes intelligent beings derp derp derp?  Nope, they are made with concave mirrors. (Refer to your holy book, the wikipedia for details)


(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2j28d1c.jpg)


Yeah you are right - what was I thinking. Those mirrors don't make anything look spherical.  For the record, I don't think I will be back to waste more time on people who scream globe for a living. You should be ashamed of yourself. 




To anyone who is actually truly interested in exposing this hoax... ending the run of the God hating science backers who can do nothing but repeat nonsense they were taught by men they think are so smart... LEAVE THIS FORUM. Look at this clown Mike, 4900 posts!  Haha, about the globe?  I think he loves balls a bit too much and they can't stop us now. It is flat and no one is laying down anymore. So, come over to chat at jeranism.com or do what you gotta do to not feed these know nothing trolls.









Instead of posting your bullshit here, why don't you actually try to use a telescope and see for yourself? Are you trying to tell me that NASA photoshops the hill that is 2 miles away from my home into my telescope without any distortion, so that it will trick me into thinking there is no distortion in telescopes? Just find a friend who owns a reflective telescope and try it. Or buy a telescope. The distortion is there, but nowhere NEAR what you think.

You also don't seem to realize that newtonian telescopes aren't the only type of telescope. Refracting telescopes have almost no distortion, because they use lenses. Essentially, what they are is really really long telephotos. Since when do telephotos display distortion? Schmidt Cassegrains use a corrective lens in front of the telescope to minimize distortion and chromatic aberration. Ritchey Chretien telescopes use hyperbolic mirrors in a special setup to eliminate the effects of distortion. All those telescopes are preferred by astrophotographers, because they exhibit less distortion in the edges of the image. However, the planets still look the same, because 1) the distortion isn't as prominent as you think it is, and 2) objects in the center of the frame don't appear distorted.

I have nothing else to tell you. Your illiteracy when it comes to telescopes and optics is evident. Just get a newtonian telescope and use it to observe distant terrestrial objects. You will see that there is almost no distortion. In fact, here is a photo taken with a newtonian reflector: https://www.astronomics.com/images/imgs10_26_2009/at8inF33.jpg (https://www.astronomics.com/images/imgs10_26_2009/at8inF33.jpg)

As you can see, there is some distortion in the edges of the picture, but it's barely noticeable. If there was as much distortion as you say, the stars would appear to form a "ball".
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 03, 2015, 11:50:31 AM

I've used my telescope for terrestrial viewing and it never distorts anything.  Are telescopes intelligent being that photoshop images of planets to make them look round?


Until right now, I actually used to think Mike was at least somewhat intelligent.  My thoughts have changed.  Are telescopes intelligent beings derp derp derp?  Nope, they are made with concave mirrors. (Refer to your holy book, the wikipedia for details)


(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2j28d1c.jpg)


Yeah you are right - what was I thinking. Those mirrors don't make anything look spherical.  For the record, I don't think I will be back to waste more time on people who scream globe for a living. You should be ashamed of yourself. 




To anyone who is actually truly interested in exposing this hoax... ending the run of the God hating science backers who can do nothing but repeat nonsense they were taught by men they think are so smart... LEAVE THIS FORUM. Look at this clown Mike, 4900 posts!  Haha, about the globe?  I think he loves balls a bit too much and they can't stop us now. It is flat and no one is laying down anymore. So, come over to chat at jeranism.com or do what you gotta do to not feed these know nothing trolls.









Actually, I just realized I have a great way to show you why you're wrong about the distortion: just search for images of the moon using newtonian reflectors. Gee, I wonder why it looks like we see it with the naked eye, only larger, but with no obvious distortion!

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm going to take a photo of a distant object using my reflector tomorrow, and give you the picture. Then you'll have no choice but to admit you are an idiot.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 03, 2015, 12:32:34 PM
By the way, Jeranism, since you are a "truth seeker", you wouldn't want to spread misinformation to your viewers, would you? Well, do you remember your point where you said that during different seasons, in a heliocentric round earth model, we would see completely different stars, and the ones that we used to see 6 months ago would be obstructed by the sun, so, since according to you, this is clearly not what we observe, the earth can't be a globe? Well, I've said it before and I will say it again, we DO see different stars during different seasons. You used that same point in TWO DIFFERENT VIDEOS, and it is clearly wrong. So, I challenge you to publicly acknowledge that mistake in a video. I'm 90% certain that you won't do it. You're too selfish. But if you don't, it will show that your aim isn't to promote the truth, but to distort the facts to support your opinion.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: jeranism on September 03, 2015, 03:35:30 PM
 :D

By the way, Jeranism, since you are a "truth seeker", you wouldn't want to spread misinformation to your viewers, would you? Well, do you remember your point where you said that during different seasons, in a heliocentric round earth model, we would see completely different stars, and the ones that we used to see 6 months ago would be obstructed by the sun, so, since according to you, this is clearly not what we observe, the earth can't be a globe? Well, I've said it before and I will say it again, we DO see different stars during different seasons. You used that same point in TWO DIFFERENT VIDEOS, and it is clearly wrong. So, I challenge you to publicly acknowledge that mistake in a video. I'm 90% certain that you won't do it. You're too selfish. But if you don't, it will show that your aim isn't to promote the truth, but to distort the facts to support your opinion.
Okay, can you try and pay close attention?  And just for you I will bring it up in the next video even though most people understood what I was saying, especially the second time.   Please look at this image... not to scale and not correct constellations, I just know of a few that are grouped.


(http://s12.postimg.org/9yy1b2mfh/1aqs8458.jpg)


-Okay, point 1, the circumpolar stars are in the North and are always visible.
-Yes, as we go around the sun, we see different seasonal constellations for longer or shorter time periods. Possibly rising later or earlier.
-This already is a problem because when we get back to our starting point... we start over again as stars return their spots from a year prior.


How can that be possible?  In the years time, where we have traveled 584 million miles... the sun has traveled 4.4 billion (count em Sr. Knows Nothing) miles. TRAVELED 4.4 BILLION MILES AND the stars return to their starting spots? That means in 5000 years, Earth has traveled the distance of the closest star in total travel, yet by returning to start the year, the star returns as well. Impossible. Bullshit science babble that you suck up and surely swallow.


Now, back to the drawing. As I stated the second time in my video, look at the night side and yellow arrows.  I can go outside, and every night stand in my driveway and see the North Star, Polaris. So how is that?  I am faced in a different direction and have the sun to contend with.  The point of the story if you actually listened instead of just going there and praying for a mistake is that this makes no sense to anyone and astronomy gets to say, "they are so far away that you don't notice any of the movement.  But that isn't true because as you just pointed out, they can be seen at different times in the year.


Do you see the problem here?  It is bullshit and obvious. They explain somethings way with nonsense that they then need to use for another theory. So, explain that.  My 66,000 mph speed each day causes 1 degree of change a day for a total of 360 degrees in a year. But the sun moving at 500,000 mph for 4 billion miles causes no change at all by the end of the year.  You believe a lie. Will you ever face it or keep bowing to your high priest Neil NoClasse Tyson? 





Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 03, 2015, 04:41:29 PM
Why do you have to contend with the sun? Is there sunlight coming directly into your eyes or illuminating the atmosphere to have to contend with it? You don't have to contend with anything. I don't know why you thought that makes sense.I think you are forgetting that light that doesn't directly hit you in the eyes in a natural, it is invisible. It's no less a mistake than what I told you before.

Now you seem to think that saying that stars are so far away is just an excuse. No it isn't. Tons of measurements of their distance exist. But you can just ignore them, those satanic scientists just want to manipulate you. But now a question has to be posed: what are stars in a flat earth model? Because in a heliocentric round Earth model, it's easy to explain: it's just very distant suns. The explanation is simple and elegant, and it passes the "test" of the Occam 's razor. In fact, it's such a good explanation, that it goes perfectly in line with the results that spectroscopy gives us, and the "inner workings" of stars are also perfectly explained. This doesn't necessarily mean an explanation is right, but if it collectively explains so much, it's a good indicator that there's actually truth in it.

You also seem to miss that even though we are moving at an immense speed relative to the galaxy center, most visible stars move WITH us, because they're on the same spiral. Think of our galaxy as a giant merry go round. Although you are moving at a considerable speed, do you see any "change" in the merry go round? When looking towards the center, you see the same thing you saw ten seconds ago. You look to your right, same thing. You look to your left, same thing once again. You look at the outer edge of the merry go round, same. It's pretty much the same for our galaxy, we're spinning around it. Now objects like other galaxies are also visible in the night sky, and they're not moving with us. However, these objects are extremely far away, so it's not visible. Their red and blue shifts have been measured though, and they ALSO go perfectly in line with current cosmology, not to mention the novae that have been discovered INSIDE those galaxies.. And before you jump in and say "but who measured the red and blue shifts? TEH LYING SATANIC SCIENTISTS DID!!!", well, no. Many amateurs do it as well. With the right equipment and sufficient knowledge, anyone can do it, and I personally know a person who has. Amateur spectroscopy is a major thing in the amateur astronomy community. And, contrary to what you believe, telescopes do work.

By the way, here's another coincidence for you: have you seen the patterns of dust and gasses visible on long exposure photos of our milky way? Guess what, similar ones exist in other galaxies as well... Hmm...

You also seem to be fixated on the idea that the night sky never changes. How do you know how the stars were 10000 years ago (well, probably not too different, as I explained to you, but you get the point). There clearly is progression. Just look up the supernovae that have been observed and documented over the history.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 06, 2015, 09:57:58 AM
Hey, Jeranism! I just found out that Halley was the first to study and compare ancient observations of the night sky, compare them with contemporary observations, and find that the positions of the stars do indeed change. What's more, I found that Barnard's star is the star whose position appears to change the most in the night sky. How much does it change? 10.3 arc seconds, which is about 1/350th of a degree. Here's a GIF that showcases exactly that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard%27s_Star#/media/File:Barnard2005.gif

So I guess you were wrong once again when you thought stars don't change positions. I'm not expecting you to address that, since you've already ran away from the argument.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on September 06, 2015, 10:13:11 AM
Jeranism, you know that seasonal constellations is a thing that happens in reality right?  Your prediction that it should happen on a round Earth actually supports round Earth.

Here is a challenge for you: tell me one thing that we expect to see on a round Earth that we don't see in reality.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 06, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
Jeranism, you know that seasonal constellations is a thing that happens in reality right?  Your prediction that it should happen on a round Earth actually supports round Earth.

Here is a challenge for you: tell me one thing that we expect to see on a round Earth that we don't see in reality.

As it turns out, it wasn't about seasonal constellations. I think. You know what? I have no idea what it was actually about.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: sircool on September 06, 2015, 10:41:22 AM
Tried to watch it, about 14minutes in and he states that science is a religion. This is a joke.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 06, 2015, 10:53:05 AM
Tried to watch it, about 14minutes in and he states that science is a religion. This is a joke.

The joke stops being funny when so many people take him seriously.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on September 06, 2015, 10:58:03 AM
Oh, I see.  He was talking about stars moving.

Jeranism, all the stars around us move more or less with the Sun.  It's not perfect but the stars don't change enough to notice in a human life time.

My challenge still stands, in fact: I made a thread challenging flat earthers to find flaws in round Earth and I haven't gotten any good responses.  Maybe you can change that, but I doubt it.  Here is the thread. (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64224.0#.Vex5NGZOLCQ)
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 06, 2015, 11:15:01 AM
Oh, I see.  He was talking about stars moving.

Jeranism, all the stars around us move more or less with the Sun.  It's not perfect but the stars don't change enough to notice in a human life time.

My challenge still stands, in fact: I made a thread challenging flat earthers to find flaws in round Earth and I haven't gotten any good responses.  Maybe you can change that, but I doubt it.  Here is the thread. (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64224.0#.Vex5NGZOLCQ)

As it turns out, there are some (very few and not visible with the naked eye) stars that do move fast enough to be noticeable in a human life, like Barnard's star. Well... So much for the "firmament" some FErs believe in.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: jeranism on September 06, 2015, 02:05:12 PM
Jeranism, you know that seasonal constellations is a thing that happens in reality right?  Your prediction that it should happen on a round Earth actually supports round Earth.

Here is a challenge for you: tell me one thing that we expect to see on a round Earth that we don't see in reality.
 

Very easy.  If the Earth was a ball...  We would see the following situation, but first we need a thought experiment and I wanted to answer your question from earlier where you asked me about telescopes.  I absolutely never said that they totally distort every image. What I have said time and time again is that stars and planets and even the moon and sun have always appeared as discs or circles. Now, before you and your buddies jump at that one, please understand that you were raised with telescopes and NASA so we cannot look at our lives to see if that is true. I study history and the ancients worshipped the sun disc and the moon disc. Look in the sky and I know your mind will say sphere because you think you know.  Now, it is very true that telescopes do make planets and stars appear to be balls, but we also know they use a convex mirror.

Now to the challenge. Think of this. Imagine you and I and 1 million others hold hands starting at the N. Pole and go down the globe till we hit the south pole. Now imagine we are facing the soon to rise sun. Now still holding hands we have another group of 1 million holding hands heading back up the opposite side and facing the soon to set sun, meeting back up at the starting point at the N. Pole.  Are you with me so far?

Lets # the people so person 1 is at the N. Pole and person 1,000,000 is at the south pole.  I'm sure you are with me so far. So person to the left of the North Pole would be # 2,000,000. 

Okay, person #5 and person #999, 995 are damn near antipode each other correct?  They are both about to see the sun rise....  from their feet up.  On a globe, you would see the sun come around the corner from your left or right at times and it isn't seen. 

What do I win Mikey?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 06, 2015, 03:17:24 PM
Jeranism, you know that seasonal constellations is a thing that happens in reality right?  Your prediction that it should happen on a round Earth actually supports round Earth.

Here is a challenge for you: tell me one thing that we expect to see on a round Earth that we don't see in reality.
 

Very easy.  If the Earth was a ball...  We would see the following situation, but first we need a thought experiment and I wanted to answer your question from earlier where you asked me about telescopes.  I absolutely never said that they totally distort every image. What I have said time and time again is that stars and planets and even the moon and sun have always appeared as discs or circles. Now, before you and your buddies jump at that one, please understand that you were raised with telescopes and NASA so we cannot look at our lives to see if that is true. I study history and the ancients worshipped the sun disc and the moon disc. Look in the sky and I know your mind will say sphere because you think you know.  Now, it is very true that telescopes do make planets and stars appear to be balls, but we also know they use a convex mirror.

Now to the challenge. Think of this. Imagine you and I and 1 million others hold hands starting at the N. Pole and go down the globe till we hit the south pole. Now imagine we are facing the soon to rise sun. Now still holding hands we have another group of 1 million holding hands heading back up the opposite side and facing the soon to set sun, meeting back up at the starting point at the N. Pole.  Are you with me so far?

Lets # the people so person 1 is at the N. Pole and person 1,000,000 is at the south pole.  I'm sure you are with me so far. So person to the left of the North Pole would be # 2,000,000. 

Okay, person #5 and person #999, 995 are damn near antipode each other correct?  They are both about to see the sun rise....  from their feet up.  On a globe, you would see the sun come around the corner from your left or right at times and it isn't seen. 

What do I win Mikey?

What a joke...

Why don't you use a telescope? So now telescopes select which objects to distort and which not to? Because it really sounds to me like that's what you're trying to say. Are you also trying to say that the distortion makes Venus appear like it has phases? Or the moons of Jupiter transiting, orbiting around and going behind the planet? Or that they make the rings of Saturn clearly appear going behind the obviously spherical planet (if you look at it, you can even see the divisions of the rings, lines on the atmosphere of Saturn, and, depending on when you look at it, hints of the round shadow that it casts on the rings, if you have a powerful enough telescope, like I do)? And even though both when looking at a star field and a terrestrial object, the distortion is minimal, but when you look at a planet, it suddenly becomes extreme? Also, do you really believe the moon is a disk? Other than the fact that it looks perfectly spherical to me and to any honest person on earth, if you use binoculars or a telescope and study it's surface, you can easily see craters and mountains angling away from you the closer you get to the edge, just like you would on a spherical surface! Face it, your position on this subject is untenable.

Now for your thought experiment. I really really really don't know what you mean and I really really really don't know what is confusing you so much with sunsets and sunrises. You can try illuminating a ball with a flashlight in a dark room if it confuses you so much. The situation that you presented (if it is what I think you mean) happens during an equinox in the north and south pole. During that time, the sun for person 5 and 999995 would appear to very slowly make a circle going from juuust above to juuust below from the horizon. I think you can try using Stellarium to see what would happen. You really have to explain what is confusing you better.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: sceptimatic on September 06, 2015, 03:33:30 PM
I have no trust in this Jeranism creation. Definitely controlled opposition. I had to find out for myself, so went to his site and signed into their chat. It's a bias carry on and a cosy little clique that discourages free thinking but pretends it's open to it.
I'm wondering if there's any to really trust out there. If there is, someone let me know because these places put up a good pretence but fail very quickly.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 06, 2015, 06:32:15 PM
Are you sure you are not referencing Eric Dooby's forum?  Nobody is allowed to ask questions there lest the be permanently banned. 
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: sceptimatic on September 07, 2015, 12:34:04 AM
Are you sure you are not referencing Eric Dooby's forum?  Nobody is allowed to ask questions there lest the be permanently banned.
I was banned immediately on Dubay's forum after one post. I lost faith in any of the forums after that.
I tried Jeranism's chat and for the 10? chat members they have, most are moderators and the rest as vip members. I asked if they all knew each other and was told that they were all random. I gave up there and then. Not to be trusted for me.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 07, 2015, 09:54:15 AM
I can't believe this. Now flat earthers suspect other flat earthers. This is actually getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on September 07, 2015, 11:38:37 AM
I can't believe this. Now flat earthers suspect other flat earthers. This is actually getting ridiculous.
Conspiracy theorists always turn on each other.  It's hilarious.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 07, 2015, 01:38:01 PM
I can't believe this. Now flat earthers suspect other flat earthers. This is actually getting ridiculous.
Conspiracy theorists always turn on each other.  It's hilarious.
Using the old conspiracy theorist card again, troll?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: mikeman7918 on September 08, 2015, 08:14:53 AM
Very easy.  If the Earth was a ball...  We would see the following situation, but first we need a thought experiment and I wanted to answer your question from earlier where you asked me about telescopes.  I absolutely never said that they totally distort every image. What I have said time and time again is that stars and planets and even the moon and sun have always appeared as discs or circles. Now, before you and your buddies jump at that one, please understand that you were raised with telescopes and NASA so we cannot look at our lives to see if that is true. I study history and the ancients worshipped the sun disc and the moon disc. Look in the sky and I know your mind will say sphere because you think you know.  Now, it is very true that telescopes do make planets and stars appear to be balls, but we also know they use a convex mirror.

Now to the challenge. Think of this. Imagine you and I and 1 million others hold hands starting at the N. Pole and go down the globe till we hit the south pole. Now imagine we are facing the soon to rise sun. Now still holding hands we have another group of 1 million holding hands heading back up the opposite side and facing the soon to set sun, meeting back up at the starting point at the N. Pole.  Are you with me so far?

Lets # the people so person 1 is at the N. Pole and person 1,000,000 is at the south pole.  I'm sure you are with me so far. So person to the left of the North Pole would be # 2,000,000. 

Okay, person #5 and person #999, 995 are damn near antipode each other correct?  They are both about to see the sun rise....  from their feet up.  On a globe, you would see the sun come around the corner from your left or right at times and it isn't seen. 

What do I win Mikey?

Telescopes are not sentient beings who give a crap about what they are pointed at.  If they distort things in the sky then they would distort things on the ground too.  In any case, the Sun and Moon still look round without the use of a telescope.

Now about your thought experiment: you are right, that would happen.  The probelem is that a requirement of the challenge is that it's something that we don't observe in reality.  Very high north the Sun's azimuth gets lower in the sky, where I live the Sun gets very close to directly overhead in the summer but it doesn't quite get there, just south of me though it sometimes is directly overhead.  Just ask anyone living really far north: the Sun's azimuth never gets very high in the sky and this means that the Sun rises at an angle like you predicted.  In the Arctic and Antarctic there is something known as the midnight sun where the Dun never sets and just moves around in circles.  According to your thought experiment this is exactally what we expect on a round Earth.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Poko on September 08, 2015, 09:22:22 AM
I love it. jeranism once again proves that he has no idea how the round earth model actually works. I suspect that many flat earthers don't believe the round earth simply because they don't understand it. jeranism also does not believe in evolution, but it is clear from his video about it that he does not understand how evolution works.

It's normal not to accept something you don't understand, but you aren't even making an effort to understand.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 08, 2015, 12:54:52 PM
I love it. jeranism once again proves that he has no idea how the round earth model actually works. I suspect that many flat earthers don't believe the round earth simply because they don't understand it. jeranism also does not believe in evolution, but it is clear from his video about it that he does not understand how evolution works.

It's normal not to accept something you don't understand, but you aren't even making an effort to understand.

"Guys, if I throw a chalk at a board, what are the chances of it writing "God"? NONE! Thus, evolution is wrong!". Only there is a chance, if you throw many chalkboards. Evolution isn't about the one chalkboard but the combinations of many.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Poko on September 08, 2015, 07:40:55 PM
I love it. jeranism once again proves that he has no idea how the round earth model actually works. I suspect that many flat earthers don't believe the round earth simply because they don't understand it. jeranism also does not believe in evolution, but it is clear from his video about it that he does not understand how evolution works.

It's normal not to accept something you don't understand, but you aren't even making an effort to understand.

"Guys, if I throw a chalk at a board, what are the chances of it writing "God"? NONE! Thus, evolution is wrong!". Only there is a chance, if you throw many chalkboards. Evolution isn't about the one chalkboard but the combinations of many.

I was referring more to the fact that in his video he says "If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?". This question is obviously malformed and shows that the person asking it has no idea how evolution works. The wrongness of the question is manyfold. First of all, humans did not evolve from apes. Humans are apes. Second, our ancestors are not modern-day apes. Humans and other apes share a common ancestor. It is this common ancestor which should no longer exist, and in fact does not.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 09, 2015, 01:11:57 AM
I love it. jeranism once again proves that he has no idea how the round earth model actually works. I suspect that many flat earthers don't believe the round earth simply because they don't understand it. jeranism also does not believe in evolution, but it is clear from his video about it that he does not understand how evolution works.

It's normal not to accept something you don't understand, but you aren't even making an effort to understand.

"Guys, if I throw a chalk at a board, what are the chances of it writing "God"? NONE! Thus, evolution is wrong!". Only there is a chance, if you throw many chalkboards. Evolution isn't about the one chalkboard but the combinations of many.

I was referring more to the fact that in his video he says "If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?". This question is obviously malformed and shows that the person asking it has no idea how evolution works. The wrongness of the question is manyfold. First of all, humans did not evolve from apes. Humans are apes. Second, our ancestors are not modern-day apes. Humans and other apes share a common ancestor. It is this common ancestor which should no longer exist, and in fact does not.

I just remembered about that! Boy was it facepalm worthy!
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 09, 2015, 01:24:42 AM
Humans are apes.
You certainly are!!
Human= bi peddled primate.
I am and will always be a man.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 09, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
Humans are apes.
You certainly are!!
Human= bi peddled primate.
I am and will always be a man.

"Bi-peddled" lol

Sorry to burst your bubble, you're a smart ape.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 09, 2015, 01:38:06 AM
Humans are apes.
You certainly are!!
Human= bi peddled primate.
I am and will always be a man.

"Bi-peddled" lol

Sorry to burst your bubble, you're a smart ape.
It is fascinating to see people that have been convinced they are apes. Betcha love banana's dontcha?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 09, 2015, 01:45:52 AM
Humans are apes.
You certainly are!!
Human= bi peddled primate.
I am and will always be a man.

"Bi-peddled" lol

Sorry to burst your bubble, you're a smart ape.
It is fascinating to see people that have been convinced they are apes. Betcha love banana's dontcha?

I actually like bananas a lot, but that's irrelevant.

It's fascinating that there are people who don't see the fact that we are apes. Not only do they look really similar, not only does their social structure have many similarities with ours, not only does their psychology have similarities, but we also have completely useless anatomical features, like a cocyx, that are a throwback to the period when we looked pretty much like a chimpanzee.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 09, 2015, 02:05:30 AM
Humans are apes.
You certainly are!!
Human= bi peddled primate.
I am and will always be a man.

"Bi-peddled" lol

Sorry to burst your bubble, you're a smart ape.
It is fascinating to see people that have been convinced they are apes. Betcha love banana's dontcha?

I actually like bananas a lot, but that's irrelevant.

It's fascinating that there are people who don't see the fact that we are apes. Not only do they look really similar, not only does their social structure have many similarities with ours, not only does their psychology have similarities, but we also have completely useless anatomical features, like a cocyx, that are a throwback to the period when we looked pretty much like a chimpanzee.
So many religions, its hard to keep up.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 09, 2015, 06:15:29 AM
Humans are apes.
You certainly are!!
Human= bi peddled primate.
I am and will always be a man.

"Bi-peddled" lol

Sorry to burst your bubble, you're a smart ape.
It is fascinating to see people that have been convinced they are apes. Betcha love banana's dontcha?

I actually like bananas a lot, but that's irrelevant.

It's fascinating that there are people who don't see the fact that we are apes. Not only do they look really similar, not only does their social structure have many similarities with ours, not only does their psychology have similarities, but we also have completely useless anatomical features, like a cocyx, that are a throwback to the period when we looked pretty much like a chimpanzee.
So many religions, its hard to keep up.

"Religions"?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 10, 2015, 05:39:10 PM
I am.  I'm me. 
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Poko on September 11, 2015, 02:31:53 AM
tappet I hope you realize that the statement "humans are apes" does not from from baseless conjecture. It is very well grounded in biology and genetics.

Humans are a type of ape in the same way that lions are a type of cat. That is to say, they indisputably are. Our bodies are extremely similar to other apes, with only a few minor differences compared with other non-primate animals. Our DNA is almost identical, again with only a few minor differences. The fact that humans are intelligent enough to be self-aware does not mean we are not still animals.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 11, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
tappet I hope you realize that the statement "humans are apes" does not from from baseless conjecture. It is very well grounded in biology and genetics.

Humans are a type of ape in the same way that lions are a type of cat. That is to say, they indisputably are. Our bodies are extremely similar to other apes, with only a few minor differences compared with other non-primate animals. Our DNA is almost identical, again with only a few minor differences. The fact that humans are intelligent enough to be self-aware does not mean we are not still animals.
I have no doubt you are nothing but a monkey, no argument here.
But I am, and will always be a man.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: XaeXae on September 11, 2015, 03:44:02 AM
tappet I hope you realize that the statement "humans are apes" does not from from baseless conjecture. It is very well grounded in biology and genetics.

Humans are a type of ape in the same way that lions are a type of cat. That is to say, they indisputably are. Our bodies are extremely similar to other apes, with only a few minor differences compared with other non-primate animals. Our DNA is almost identical, again with only a few minor differences. The fact that humans are intelligent enough to be self-aware does not mean we are not still animals.
I have no doubt you are nothing but a monkey, no argument here.
But I am, and will always be a man.

Ad hominem ?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 11, 2015, 09:07:51 AM
tappet I hope you realize that the statement "humans are apes" does not from from baseless conjecture. It is very well grounded in biology and genetics.

Humans are a type of ape in the same way that lions are a type of cat. That is to say, they indisputably are. Our bodies are extremely similar to other apes, with only a few minor differences compared with other non-primate animals. Our DNA is almost identical, again with only a few minor differences. The fact that humans are intelligent enough to be self-aware does not mean we are not still animals.
I have no doubt you are nothing but a monkey, no argument here.
But I am, and will always be a man.

Ad hominem ?

Ad apinem?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: markjo on September 11, 2015, 01:13:02 PM
But I am, and will always be a man.
But what makes you a man; your body or your soul?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 11, 2015, 02:53:15 PM
I am.  I'm me.

Jroa, first Bloomington, now you? Why are all of you having so many nervous breakdowns lately?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 13, 2015, 09:26:15 PM
concave earth is truth...

Citation needed.
You can't ask for evidence of the concave earth. Facts are part of the conspiracy!

That's because our reality is "manipulated", and so we can't trust *anything* we see.

Except when it can be twisted and misunderstood to make the Earth seem flat, then you can trust it.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Poko on September 15, 2015, 10:12:03 PM
tappet I hope you realize that the statement "humans are apes" does not from from baseless conjecture. It is very well grounded in biology and genetics.

Humans are a type of ape in the same way that lions are a type of cat. That is to say, they indisputably are. Our bodies are extremely similar to other apes, with only a few minor differences compared with other non-primate animals. Our DNA is almost identical, again with only a few minor differences. The fact that humans are intelligent enough to be self-aware does not mean we are not still animals.
I have no doubt you are nothing but a monkey, no argument here.
But I am, and will always be a man.

Ad hominem ?

It's not an argument ad hominem. If tappet had said "You are a monkey, therefore I am right", that would have been ad hominem. This is just name-calling. It's even lower than ad hominem.

By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 15, 2015, 10:57:31 PM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Master_Evar on September 16, 2015, 01:04:52 AM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.

So I guess we can conclude that animals are smarter than man are then  ::)
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 16, 2015, 01:44:53 AM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.

So I guess we can conclude that animals are smarter than man are then  ::)
Not we, you.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on September 16, 2015, 01:47:17 AM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.

Are you suggesting you are not an animal?  What are you then?  A plant?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Poko on September 16, 2015, 01:50:50 AM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.

I know you're just toying with me at this point, but I'd like to clarify for the sake of others who may be confused. Yes, you and I are both humans. We are also both apes and we are both animals. These terms are not mutually exclusive. Humans are a subset of apes and apes are a subset of animals. To say that you are not an animal is to say you are not human.

Now here comes the part where you can redeem yourself. Point out where the flaw is in my logic. Explain to me why humans should not be considered apes. Explain why humans should not be considered animals. Show me some trait humans have that separates them from the rest of the animal kingdom, and try not to use any non sequiturs.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 16, 2015, 01:53:05 AM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.

Are you suggesting you are not an animal?  What are you then?  A plant?
I have said many times I am a man.
If you want to be an animal, go for your life, you can try and prove to me you are an animal if you like and I will look at you like you are a dumb animal if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 16, 2015, 01:55:57 AM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.

 Yes, you and I are both humans.
No I am not a human, human is a bi peddled primate. You are a human, I am mankind.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on September 16, 2015, 01:58:23 AM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.

 Yes, you and I are both humans.
No I am not a human, human is a bi peddled primate. You are a human, I am mankind.
You're an idiot.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Poko on September 16, 2015, 02:00:47 AM
No I am not a human, human is a bi peddled primate.

Ok, I think we're done here. Incidentally, the word is bipedal as in two feet.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 16, 2015, 02:03:30 AM
Quote
No I am not a human, human is a bi peddled primate.

Ok, I think we're done here. Incidentally, the word is bipedal as in two feet.
How many feet do apes have?
Is an ape a bi pedaled primate?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 16, 2015, 02:13:02 AM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.

 Yes, you and I are both humans.
No I am not a human, human is a bi peddled primate. You are a human, I am mankind.
You're an idiot.
That's priceless, coming from a crab that thinks it is an ape.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Mainframes on September 16, 2015, 04:18:05 AM
Humans are a type of animal. They are not mutually exclusive.

It is interesting that the only people with a problem with this are those that want to place humanity on a pedestal and are very insecure about not being 'special'. 
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 16, 2015, 11:34:32 AM


Humans are, according to taxonomy, a member of the Animal Kingdom.

Humans are Mammals.

Humans are also a member of the Great Ape Family (which also includes Chimpanzees, Bonobos (aka "Pygmy Chimpanzees), Orangutans, and Gorillas.

Some anthropologists, like Desmond Morris, have referred to humans as "The Naked Ape." (Though we have the same amount of body hair, and in the exact same pattern, as an Orangutan, our is just finer. BTW, male Orangutans suffer from male pattern baldness, just like humans.)

Our DNA is ~ 98.8% the same as a Chimpanzee or Bonobo.

In fact, anthropologists and evolutionary biologists like Jared Diamond ,think that humans should be called "Pan Sapiens" ("Thinking Chimpanzee") rather than Homo Sapiens Sapiens (as we are know as in the binomial nomenclature.) Basically, we are, as Jared Diamond called us, "The Third Chimpanzee". 

Genetics, Phylogeny (Phylogenetics), Evolutionary Taxonomy, Cladistics, Phenetics, etc, all agree - Humans are Animals, Humans are Apes. Names and definitions and classifications may change a tiny little bit over times are scientists disagree, and as they discover new things, and as they try to make more precise definitions, but at this point all that is is hair-splitting and basically, we Humans are Primates.

You can disagree with that, but you would be wrong. Just as wrong as you are that the Earth is flat and that Space doesn't exist. 

Our evolutionary history is written not only *literally* in stone - and bone - but in our bones, and in our very DNA. The eyes that you use to read this with are Primate eyes, who's form was shaped by millions of year in trees and on the Savannah in Africa...the hands you use to type on a keyboard to respond to this were formed by millions of years of evolution so that some primitive monkey-like ancestor could better climb trees....and the language you use to take about these ideas, and the voice you use, is a system designed over millions of years so that one primate in a tree could shout to another primate in another nearby tree.

The mind we all share (well, most of us who actually *have* minds) is a primate mind built upon a mammal brain built upon a reptilian brain build upon a fish brain.

And the atoms that make up those hands and eyes and brains were forged in now long-dead stars billions of year ago...and in the fires of the Big Bang, at the very beginning of Time itself.

That is who and what you are, that is who and what I am, that is who and what we all are.

You can dislike it, you can deny it, but it's the truth.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Pezevenk on September 16, 2015, 12:31:11 PM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.

 Yes, you and I are both humans.
No I am not a human, human is a bi peddled primate. You are a human, I am mankind.

What is this even supposed to mean?
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: tappet on September 16, 2015, 01:36:02 PM


By the way, tappet, humans are not monkeys. Humans are apes. Yes, there is a difference. No, I don't expect you to understand.
Whatever? You are an ape then. You people are on such a mission to prove you are nothing but animals so be it.
But I am not like you, I am a man and you are an animal.
Congratulations.

 Yes, you and I are both humans.
No I am not a human, human is a bi peddled primate. You are a human, I am mankind.

What is this even supposed to mean?
It means you have been reduced to the level of an animal. Human means bi pedalled primate. And you are so dumb you will search for any  shred of evidence to prove you are nothing but an animal. People like you make shit up wanting to be animals.
Scientists are so dumb they want to prove we are animals, why don't they make an effort to prove we are not animals?
Sounds like bestiality is on its way, wouldn't it be weird if they legalized it in some countries, oh that's right they did.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 16, 2015, 04:00:23 PM

Scientists are so dumb

Says somebody typing on the *internet* in the 21st century who probably has cell phone and a car (or rides in cars or buses) has benefited from vaccines, modern medicine, agriculture, clean water, and probably has a microwave oven and a TV, and can regulate the temperature in his parent's basement.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Serulian on September 16, 2015, 04:09:58 PM


Humans are, according to taxonomy, a member of the Animal Kingdom.

Humans are Mammals.

Humans are also a member of the Great Ape Family (which also includes Chimpanzees, Bonobos (aka "Pygmy Chimpanzees), Orangutans, and Gorillas.

Some anthropologists, like Desmond Morris, have referred to humans as "The Naked Ape." (Though we have the same amount of body hair, and in the exact same pattern, as an Orangutan, our is just finer. BTW, male Orangutans suffer from male pattern baldness, just like humans.)

Our DNA is ~ 98.8% the same as a Chimpanzee or Bonobo.

In fact, anthropologists and evolutionary biologists like Jared Diamond ,think that humans should be called "Pan Sapiens" ("Thinking Chimpanzee") rather than Homo Sapiens Sapiens (as we are know as in the binomial nomenclature.) Basically, we are, as Jared Diamond called us, "The Third Chimpanzee". 

Genetics, Phylogeny (Phylogenetics), Evolutionary Taxonomy, Cladistics, Phenetics, etc, all agree - Humans are Animals, Humans are Apes. Names and definitions and classifications may change a tiny little bit over times are scientists disagree, and as they discover new things, and as they try to make more precise definitions, but at this point all that is is hair-splitting and basically, we Humans are Primates.

You can disagree with that, but you would be wrong. Just as wrong as you are that the Earth is flat and that Space doesn't exist. 

Our evolutionary history is written not only *literally* in stone - and bone - but in our bones, and in our very DNA. The eyes that you use to read this with are Primate eyes, who's form was shaped by millions of year in trees and on the Savannah in Africa...the hands you use to type on a keyboard to respond to this were formed by millions of years of evolution so that some primitive monkey-like ancestor could better climb trees....and the language you use to take about these ideas, and the voice you use, is a system designed over millions of years so that one primate in a tree could shout to another primate in another nearby tree.

The mind we all share (well, most of us who actually *have* minds) is a primate mind built upon a mammal brain built upon a reptilian brain build upon a fish brain.

And the atoms that make up those hands and eyes and brains were forged in now long-dead stars billions of year ago...and in the fires of the Big Bang, at the very beginning of Time itself.

That is who and what you are, that is who and what I am, that is who and what we all are.

You can dislike it, you can deny it, but it's the truth.

You speak like you are dealing with facts.

Everything you just said is based on theories. You can try and deny it, but it's the truth.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Serulian on September 16, 2015, 04:26:41 PM

Scientists are so dumb

Says somebody typing on the *internet* in the 21st century who probably has cell phone and a car (or rides in cars or buses) has benefited from vaccines, modern medicine, agriculture, clean water, and probably has a microwave oven and a TV, and can regulate the temperature in his parent's basement.

Nobody has ever benefited from vaccines, except the pharmaceutical companies, vaccines kill innocent people each year and are probably the most successful scam in history.

Agriculture is not science. When science mixes with agriculture you get chemical pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, fertilizers , and GMOs and more death and disease. 

Clean water????   Where do you live? My tap water is pumped full of chlorine and fluoride, both very potent toxins.

Microwaves cause cancer, so I don't own one.

And I don't live in my parents basement I own my own home
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Swiftly Tilting Planet on September 16, 2015, 04:28:33 PM


Humans are, according to taxonomy, a member of the Animal Kingdom.

Humans are Mammals.

Humans are also a member of the Great Ape Family (which also includes Chimpanzees, Bonobos (aka "Pygmy Chimpanzees), Orangutans, and Gorillas.

Some anthropologists, like Desmond Morris, have referred to humans as "The Naked Ape." (Though we have the same amount of body hair, and in the exact same pattern, as an Orangutan, our is just finer. BTW, male Orangutans suffer from male pattern baldness, just like humans.)

Our DNA is ~ 98.8% the same as a Chimpanzee or Bonobo.

In fact, anthropologists and evolutionary biologists like Jared Diamond ,think that humans should be called "Pan Sapiens" ("Thinking Chimpanzee") rather than Homo Sapiens Sapiens (as we are know as in the binomial nomenclature.) Basically, we are, as Jared Diamond called us, "The Third Chimpanzee". 

Genetics, Phylogeny (Phylogenetics), Evolutionary Taxonomy, Cladistics, Phenetics, etc, all agree - Humans are Animals, Humans are Apes. Names and definitions and classifications may change a tiny little bit over times are scientists disagree, and as they discover new things, and as they try to make more precise definitions, but at this point all that is is hair-splitting and basically, we Humans are Primates.

You can disagree with that, but you would be wrong. Just as wrong as you are that the Earth is flat and that Space doesn't exist. 

Our evolutionary history is written not only *literally* in stone - and bone - but in our bones, and in our very DNA. The eyes that you use to read this with are Primate eyes, who's form was shaped by millions of year in trees and on the Savannah in Africa...the hands you use to type on a keyboard to respond to this were formed by millions of years of evolution so that some primitive monkey-like ancestor could better climb trees....and the language you use to take about these ideas, and the voice you use, is a system designed over millions of years so that one primate in a tree could shout to another primate in another nearby tree.

The mind we all share (well, most of us who actually *have* minds) is a primate mind built upon a mammal brain built upon a reptilian brain build upon a fish brain.

And the atoms that make up those hands and eyes and brains were forged in now long-dead stars billions of year ago...and in the fires of the Big Bang, at the very beginning of Time itself.

That is who and what you are, that is who and what I am, that is who and what we all are.

You can dislike it, you can deny it, but it's the truth.

You speak like you are dealing with facts.

Everything you just said is based on theories. You can try and deny it, but it's the truth.

Fossils aren't a theory. DNA it's a theory. The Human Genome isn't a theory (in fact, we've mapped it.)  And the Earth's age isn't just a theory, we can measure it - multiple ways. Same as the shape and size of the Earth, because 100's of people have seen it from space, and we have pictures and have had them for decades.

And all of our science - even the theories - fit together like pieces in a gigantic puzzle. We can argue and debate about the details (and scientists do just that all the time) but the broad strokes of the picture we are very well aware of.

Some people don't like the philosophical implications of that picture, so the reject it, either in bots, or whole cloth. But it's a very self-consistent picture, where as most "alternatives" are internally self-inconsistent.

Plus all those philosophical implications, *those* aren't necessarily even true, they are just speculation. I'm an atheist, and I *believe* that science has shown that a God is not needed for things to run, but I do not *know* that God doesn't exist. I don't believe in Free Will, but I could be very, very wrong (and I would LOVE to be proven wrong.)  I am pretty confident that science shows that humans are insignificant and unimportant in the grand scheme of things - but I could be wrong about that. We could be the most significant thing in all the universe (and would be, if we are the only intelligent life in the universe.)
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Serulian on September 16, 2015, 04:35:51 PM
There is no way to know the age of the Earth. Science can take a best guess, but that is all. No one can ever know for certain.
Title: Re: ...yet another dumb video by Jeranism...
Post by: Poko on September 16, 2015, 06:10:06 PM
There is no way to know the age of the Earth. Science can take a best guess, but that is all. No one can ever know for certain.

Just so you know, nothing can be known for certain, even things we can observe. This is because direct observation of anything is impossible. Any observation of an object is really just an observation of how that object interacts with other objects and your 5 senses. Even when you look at an object, you aren't observing it directly. Your retinas are receiving light and that light seems to have been reflected off the object.

However, this is perfectly fine. In science, certainty is not the goal. The goal is to create theories that predict future data. In science we make predictions and then we test those predictions. Then we build a theory that we can use to help make more predictions. The more accurate our predictions, the better our theory.

In chemistry, we use atomic theory to make predictions about which elements will react with which other elements. For example, we predict that Hydrogen will react with Fluorine to create Hydrogen Fluoride. To test this prediction, we mix Hydrogen with Fluoride, and we find that they do indeed react. Does this mean our atomic theory has been proven? Not by a long shot. However, it does mean that our atomic theory has predictive capabilities, and that's all we can really hope for.

When scientists say the world is billions of years old, that isn't just a random number they pulled out of nowhere. They used what they know about geography, geology, radioactivity, and other fields to make a prediction. They basically said "If the world were billions of years old, we would expect to see X". Just as importantly, they make predictions that say "If the world were not billions of years old, we would not expect to see X". Then they went out, make their measurements, and found X. This does not mean that we are certain the world is billions of years old. It means that the model of the old Earth has predictive capabilities, and that is the goal of science.