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Title: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 26, 2015, 12:36:06 AM
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This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Son of Orospu on June 26, 2015, 12:46:44 AM
This is considered low content.  At least make a statement when posting a video, otherwise, it will be deleted and you will be looking at some jail time. 
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 26, 2015, 12:53:42 AM
This is considered low content.  At least make a statement when posting a video, otherwise, it will be deleted and you will be looking at some jail time.

My apologies. It has been edited.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Son of Orospu on June 26, 2015, 01:02:36 AM
That man looks like he has smoked one or two Eric Doobies before making his video.  Maybe he is also an expert on Twinkies?  How in the check is some hippies photographer supposed to be an expert on space travel, let alone moon landings?  The clerk at the gas station down the street told me that the moon landings were faked, so that makes him right, I suppose.  ::)
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 26, 2015, 01:04:55 AM
That man looks like he has smoked one or two Eric Doobies before making his video.  Maybe he is also an expert on Twinkies?  How in the check is some hippies photographer supposed to be an expert on space travel, let alone moon landings?  The clerk at the gas station down the street told me that the moon landings were faked, so that makes him right, I suppose.  ::)

Ad hominem doesn't make the Earth flat, and it doesn't disprove the missions to the moon either. He's heavy, sure, but he's definitely spot-on, as far as photographic and videographic technology goes.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Son of Orospu on June 26, 2015, 01:13:49 AM
That man looks like he has smoked one or two Eric Doobies before making his video.  Maybe he is also an expert on Twinkies?  How in the check is some hippies photographer supposed to be an expert on space travel, let alone moon landings?  The clerk at the gas station down the street told me that the moon landings were faked, so that makes him right, I suppose.  ::)

Ad hominem doesn't make the Earth flat, and it doesn't disprove the missions to the moon either. He's heavy, sure, but he's definitely spot-on, as far as photographic and videographic technology goes.

He claims that NASA did not have this or that technology back in the stupid age, yet, some how, we went to the moon using the processing power of a modern day wrist watch.  Do you people ever actually think?
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 26, 2015, 01:17:15 AM
That man looks like he has smoked one or two Eric Doobies before making his video.  Maybe he is also an expert on Twinkies?  How in the check is some hippies photographer supposed to be an expert on space travel, let alone moon landings?  The clerk at the gas station down the street told me that the moon landings were faked, so that makes him right, I suppose.  ::)

Ad hominem doesn't make the Earth flat, and it doesn't disprove the missions to the moon either. He's heavy, sure, but he's definitely spot-on, as far as photographic and videographic technology goes.

He claims that NASA did not have this or that technology back in the stupid age, yet, some how, we went to the moon using the processing power of a modern day wrist watch.  Do you people ever actually think?

Even if you were correct in that statement, I don't see how low processing power prevents a liquid-fuel rocket from reaching the moon.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Son of Orospu on June 26, 2015, 01:29:14 AM
That man looks like he has smoked one or two Eric Doobies before making his video.  Maybe he is also an expert on Twinkies?  How in the check is some hippies photographer supposed to be an expert on space travel, let alone moon landings?  The clerk at the gas station down the street told me that the moon landings were faked, so that makes him right, I suppose.  ::)

Ad hominem doesn't make the Earth flat, and it doesn't disprove the missions to the moon either. He's heavy, sure, but he's definitely spot-on, as far as photographic and videographic technology goes.

He claims that NASA did not have this or that technology back in the stupid age, yet, some how, we went to the moon using the processing power of a modern day wrist watch.  Do you people ever actually think?

Even if you were correct in that statement, I don't see how low processing power prevents a liquid-fuel rocket from reaching the moon.

Do you ever think before you post?  We are not talking about hitting the moon with a rocket.  We are talking about getting the payload into orbit, then taking it to the moon's orbit, then landing in a controlled crash, getting the people back into the previous orbits, and bringing the people back home safely.  All this back in the times when computers required an entire building and a staff of trained operators just to do a few calculations.  Please, come back when you actually have something.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: sceptimatic on June 26, 2015, 01:41:02 AM
I'll tell you what makes me laugh about these videos and it also goes for conspiracy videos as well, just so people don't think I'm singling one set out.

Why in the hell would people put out a video of a bloke in a silly hat who looks about as dull as night time and yet is put there to supposedly pass off info that the moon landings were not faked; and people are expected to say " oh well, that's that - this man in a silly hat said it's not faked by giving his reasons, so that's the end of that."
It's as if NASA or affiliates have placed some bozo in front of a camera to tell us all the landings were real, for giggles, just like they do at these pathetic post mission press conferences, whether it's the moon or mars or some other pile of dog crap.

It's equally annoying when I see a conspiracy theorist put some clearly good info forward and yet goes and ruins it by acting like some crank of speed or some dizzy college type student who just wants an audience to listen to the good info then look at the person giving it, to give the impression that the info is bat shit crazy because the person delivering it is acting like a right weirdo.

This is why people have to be careful about how they interpret all this stuff, because it's far too easy to fall into a category and end up with segmented theories about the same thing, told by various people in various guises.

Take a look at many videos that supposedly show a globe model being correct or certain missions and what not being legit. They usually employ people to front the show to sell it to us at speed.
For instance: let's say they try to sell us the globe model. 10 reasons why Earth is a globe.
They then start off by going into super fast talk mode with a hint of sarcasm/patronising and a small amount of all other digs to make the inquisitive person who questions it sit back and question themselves.

They then use people like that bloke in the video. I mean come on, would you buy double glazing from this bloke if he came to your door?....of course you wouldn't.
NASA knows this and they're laughing at us by placing this clown in front of us to spew his bullshit.

A little tip for anyone who believes there's conspiracies. There is but there can be 20 takes on what the conspiracy was and how it really panned out. By sticking rigidly to one whilst totally discarding other's means that you are now arguing against 20 sets of conspiracy theorists, all who think they know the truth.

The major problem with this is, you are all in between the majority of people who will argue that there is no conspiracy and call you a tin foil hat or worse. The problem is, they don't have to make conspiracy theorists look silly - most do it themselves by arguing with each other. It gives the rest the impression that we are all loop the loop and can't even make out minds up.

You must always leave some scope open in all things; especially when its with people who are like-minded and who see issues with everyday stuff, or historical supposed facts.


Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Mainframes on June 26, 2015, 03:43:25 AM
That man looks like he has smoked one or two Eric Doobies before making his video.  Maybe he is also an expert on Twinkies?  How in the check is some hippies photographer supposed to be an expert on space travel, let alone moon landings?  The clerk at the gas station down the street told me that the moon landings were faked, so that makes him right, I suppose.  ::)

Ad hominem doesn't make the Earth flat, and it doesn't disprove the missions to the moon either. He's heavy, sure, but he's definitely spot-on, as far as photographic and videographic technology goes.

He claims that NASA did not have this or that technology back in the stupid age, yet, some how, we went to the moon using the processing power of a modern day wrist watch.  Do you people ever actually think?

Even if you were correct in that statement, I don't see how low processing power prevents a liquid-fuel rocket from reaching the moon.

Do you ever think before you post?  We are not talking about hitting the moon with a rocket.  We are talking about getting the payload into orbit, then taking it to the moon's orbit, then landing in a controlled crash, getting the people back into the previous orbits, and bringing the people back home safely.  All this back in the times when computers required an entire building and a staff of trained operators just to do a few calculations.  Please, come back when you actually have something.

Do YOU ever think before you post?

The computer on board the Lunar Module did not need to do very much processing at all. The only things it needed to be able to do was calculate height, vertical and horizontal velocity compared to the ground and display the numbers. All the big number crunching for orbits, lunar and earth injections and course corrections were done at NASA using (as you say) a huge computer. The results were then sent to the astronauts as a series of numbers to punch in and times and lengths of burns.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on June 26, 2015, 05:38:54 AM
That man looks like he has smoked one or two Eric Doobies before making his video.  Maybe he is also an expert on Twinkies?  How in the check is some hippies photographer supposed to be an expert on space travel, let alone moon landings?  The clerk at the gas station down the street told me that the moon landings were faked, so that makes him right, I suppose.  ::)

Ad hominem doesn't make the Earth flat, and it doesn't disprove the missions to the moon either. He's heavy, sure, but he's definitely spot-on, as far as photographic and videographic technology goes.

He claims that NASA did not have this or that technology back in the stupid age, yet, some how, we went to the moon using the processing power of a modern day wrist watch.  Do you people ever actually think?
Why do you think you need a lot of "processing power" to reach the moon?  You do realise that there was a period of human history before the iPhone were people still did really clever things, don't you?  Are you claiming there were no engineers or mathematicians in the 1960s?


Also, why are you conspiracy theorists so ANGRY all the time?
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: charles bloomington on June 26, 2015, 06:23:43 AM
That man looks like he has smoked one or two Eric Doobies before making his video.  Maybe he is also an expert on Twinkies?  How in the check is some hippies photographer supposed to be an expert on space travel, let alone moon landings?  The clerk at the gas station down the street told me that the moon landings were faked, so that makes him right, I suppose.  ::)

Ad hominem doesn't make the Earth flat, and it doesn't disprove the missions to the moon either. He's heavy, sure, but he's definitely spot-on, as far as photographic and videographic technology goes.

He claims that NASA did not have this or that technology back in the stupid age, yet, some how, we went to the moon using the processing power of a modern day wrist watch.  Do you people ever actually think?
Why do you think you need a lot of "processing power" to reach the moon?  You do realise that there was a period of human history before the iPhone were people still did really clever things, don't you?  Are you claiming there were no engineers or mathematicians in the 1960s?


Also, why are you conspiracy theorists so ANGRY all the time?
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.   
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 26, 2015, 06:34:35 AM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.   

Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: charles bloomington on June 26, 2015, 07:06:14 AM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise. 
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 26, 2015, 07:12:00 AM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Ok,  just go with what you think is your best evidence that it was faked.

Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Mainframes on June 26, 2015, 07:24:43 AM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: legion on June 26, 2015, 09:23:05 AM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 26, 2015, 03:16:21 PM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: legion on June 26, 2015, 03:31:52 PM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.

Jarrah nailed that little worm. You are in denial, space boy.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 26, 2015, 03:41:17 PM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.

Jarrah nailed that little worm. You are in denial, space boy.

I don't see how. I've watched his videos. Could you specifically point out where Jarrah cited something of value to refute anything? You can't, but you're welcome to try.

Otherwise, piss off.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: charles bloomington on June 26, 2015, 04:21:07 PM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.
You were saying ? Like I said , the moon landings were faked.  Why?  Admiralty law jurisdiction . They didnt call them rocketSHIPS by mistake.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 26, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.
You were saying ? Like I said , the moon landings were faked.  Why?  Admiralty law jurisdiction . They didnt call them rocketSHIPS by mistake.

To ship something just means to move it.

Ship - Like a ship at sea
Shipping - moving a package or a person
Shipper - somebody who sends an object by transit
Rocketship - Ship airtight and made for space travel
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 26, 2015, 05:33:38 PM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.

Jarrah nailed that little worm. You are in denial, space boy.

So what's the most compelling piece of evidence you have that the moon landings were faked?   
Or putting it another way why do YOU think they were faked?


Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: mikeman7918 on June 27, 2015, 12:12:46 AM
That video doesn't even get into the ridiculous number of people that would have to be in on the conspiracy and then kept quiet for decades.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: legion on June 27, 2015, 03:07:07 AM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.

Jarrah nailed that little worm. You are in denial, space boy.

I don't see how. I've watched his videos. Could you specifically point out where Jarrah cited something of value to refute anything? You can't, but you're welcome to try.

Otherwise, piss off.

People of sufficient intelligence can make their own mind up. People like you dismiss anything that challenges their indoctrination. So, keep believing space boy!
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Mainframes on June 27, 2015, 03:20:23 AM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.

Jarrah nailed that little worm. You are in denial, space boy.

I don't see how. I've watched his videos. Could you specifically point out where Jarrah cited something of value to refute anything? You can't, but you're welcome to try.

Otherwise, piss off.

People of sufficient intelligence can make their own mind up. People like you dismiss anything that challenges their indoctrination. So, keep believing space boy!

No we dismiss the incorrect application of science to draw deliberately incorrect conclusions based upon your desire for the moon landing to be fake.

When the science is applied correctly the moon landings cannot be anything but real.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: sceptimatic on June 27, 2015, 04:59:16 AM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.
Seriously, would a normal everyday person come out with that bolded statement?
I would expect someone like Phil Plait or likewise people to come out with this crap, not a supposed leisurely perusing person  on a forum.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 27, 2015, 03:30:22 PM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.

Jarrah nailed that little worm. You are in denial, space boy.

I don't see how. I've watched his videos. Could you specifically point out where Jarrah cited something of value to refute anything? You can't, but you're welcome to try.

Otherwise, piss off.

People of sufficient intelligence can make their own mind up. People like you dismiss anything that challenges their indoctrination. So, keep believing space boy!

People of deficient intelligence, like you, will make their own mind up (regardless of available evidence).

Science isn't about making somebody's mind up, you nimrod. It's about using reliable data to make predictions and conduct experiments.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Mainframes on June 28, 2015, 05:16:12 AM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.
Seriously, would a normal everyday person come out with that bolded statement?
I would expect someone like Phil Plait or likewise people to come out with this crap, not a supposed leisurely perusing person  on a forum.

It's because I am passionate about astronomy and space travel and I sick of uneducated idiots trying disparage one of humanities greatest achievements.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Doglover on June 28, 2015, 06:05:24 AM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.
Seriously, would a normal everyday person come out with that bolded statement?
I would expect someone like Phil Plait or likewise people to come out with this crap, not a supposed leisurely perusing person  on a forum.

It's because I am passionate about astronomy and space travel and I sick of uneducated idiots trying disparage one of humanities greatest achievements.

Also, it is very dangerous to deny history. The Cold War revelry that lead up to and inspired the Moon landings are, arguably, as important as the achievement itself. 
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: legion on June 28, 2015, 08:01:02 AM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.

Jarrah nailed that little worm. You are in denial, space boy.

I don't see how. I've watched his videos. Could you specifically point out where Jarrah cited something of value to refute anything? You can't, but you're welcome to try.

Otherwise, piss off.

People of sufficient intelligence can make their own mind up. People like you dismiss anything that challenges their indoctrination. So, keep believing space boy!

People of deficient intelligence, like you, will make their own mind up (regardless of available evidence).

Science isn't about making somebody's mind up, you nimrod. It's about using reliable data to make predictions and conduct experiments.

The topic is not science, you halfwit. The topic is whether the footage could have been faked. Jarrah successfully proved that it could.

But of course, keep believing and one day they may have the technology to actually get there instead of pretending they did.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Son of Orospu on June 28, 2015, 01:49:20 PM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.

Why was it so easy to go to the moon, back in the 60s  when pocket calculators were rare, but it is so difficult today?  Why have we not gone to the moon in 40 years?
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Pythagoras on June 28, 2015, 01:52:41 PM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.

Why was it so easy to go to the moon, back in the 60s  when pocket calculators were rare, but it is so difficult today?  Why have we not gone to the moon in 40 years?

It wasn't easy to go to the moon back then just as it isn't easy now. Plotting orbits on the other hand is quite easy and dose not require very much computing power. On any at all if you are good at maths.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Papa Legba on June 28, 2015, 01:56:13 PM
Mainframes: I suggest it is the 'moon landings' that 'own' YOU.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 28, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
(http://)

This man, with a history in photography and film, clearly shows through evidence-based arguments, that it is physically impossible to fake a moon landing, living in the 1960s.

Watch, and be inspired.

Lest anyone else make bills mistake, here is Jarrah Whites debunking of this video:

(http://)

There are a couple more reply videos between the two characters.

Well done bill for only posting one side of the story.

As if there's any other side to post. First, evidence suggesting the moon landing was faked is almost always on-the-spot fraud and bullshit. It's easily disprovable.

Secondly, Jarrah is an asshat, whose integrity on this matter is clearly in question. Anyone willing to outright lie to support their position should immediately be disregarded.

Jarrah nailed that little worm. You are in denial, space boy.

I don't see how. I've watched his videos. Could you specifically point out where Jarrah cited something of value to refute anything? You can't, but you're welcome to try.

Otherwise, piss off.

People of sufficient intelligence can make their own mind up. People like you dismiss anything that challenges their indoctrination. So, keep believing space boy!

People of deficient intelligence, like you, will make their own mind up (regardless of available evidence).

Science isn't about making somebody's mind up, you nimrod. It's about using reliable data to make predictions and conduct experiments.

The topic is not science, you halfwit. The topic is whether the footage could have been faked. Jarrah successfully proved that it could.

But of course, keep believing and one day they may have the technology to actually get there instead of pretending they did.

Right, because there isn't any connection between science, and the moon landing. Dear God you are fucking dense. Are all FE morons like you and Vaux?

The moon landing happened whether I believe in it or not. This concept is what people call 'reality'. Get used to it.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 28, 2015, 09:21:17 PM
why do you think you need anything more then a projector & a screen, to create what that clown in the youtube clip claims  cant be faked .
Just because it was broadcasted on a particular day .Doesn't mean it was filmed on that day.

All the evidence says it was filmed on the moon exactly as they said it was,  I've never seen any proof that any of the Apollo mission was faked.   
I've seen plenty of false claims,  misinterpretations, and outright lies by moon conspiracy nutters. 

If you want to make this thread into a debate about Apollo Moon Landings, then let's hear it.
There is nothing to debate . The moon landings were faked .There  is just  to much evidence for someone  to claim otherwise.

Bring it on. I will own you or anyone else who claims the landings were faked.

There is literally no evidence at all supporting a fake and plenty of evidence that categorically proves the landings happened.
Seriously, would a normal everyday person come out with that bolded statement?
I would expect someone like Phil Plait or likewise people to come out with this crap, not a supposed leisurely perusing person  on a forum.

It's because I am passionate about astronomy and space travel and I sick of uneducated idiots trying disparage one of humanities greatest achievements.

Well said and I agree 100%,  the Apollo program,  the whole space race,  was a different time,  no one who lived through the cold war could ever forget the constant threat of global nuclear war and the intense competition between the Soviet Union and the West,  when the Russians launched sputnik it was earth shattering.   It scared the bejesus out of the Americans, people were petrified,   no-one knew exactly what it was, but it was Russian, and it was "up there" whizzing around doing god knows what.   

The space race, was a race for survival of the western way of life,  whoever dominated space,  dominates the earth,  if the Russians got to the moon first, then America was doomed.  Seriously,  people fail today to understand how desperate those times really were. 

It took a decade and consumed significant technical and scientific resources of the entire nation for the Apollo missions to be the success they were,   but for the people who worked on the project it was pride,  pride, not just in the outstanding scientific and technical advances that were achieved.  But pride in beating the arch enemy and saving the free world. 

Sounds a bit corny today, but that was the reality of the 1960's,   no-one who lived through the Cuban missile crisis could EVER forget how close we came to global annihilation. 

The Vietnam war,  Richard Nixon,  Hippies  were still in the future...   

I doubt you could get people fired up today to the extent required for an Apollo type program,  people are too lazy and the pride is gone.

Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: tappet on June 29, 2015, 02:03:01 AM

I doubt you could get people fired up today to the extent required for an Apollo type program,  people are too lazy and the pride is gone.
That's hilarious,
Is writing this nonsense in any way related to you not remembering that you were ausGeoff once?
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 29, 2015, 03:47:19 AM

I doubt you could get people fired up today to the extent required for an Apollo type program,  people are too lazy and the pride is gone.
That's hilarious,
Is writing this nonsense in any way related to you not remembering that you were ausGeoff once?

Show us some passion,  imagine it's a V8 supercar project.     Maybe I'm channelling ausGeoff?   
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: iWitness on June 29, 2015, 04:02:08 AM
2001: A Space Odyssey - 1968

(http://)

'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: iWitness on June 29, 2015, 04:04:48 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 04:17:37 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

You've already been trumped on this issue in your own thread about the moon landing. Your assertions were found to be wrong, so you resorted to trash talk. Go away.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 29, 2015, 04:19:25 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

I remember seeing that on the big screen,   great movie.   Doesn't prove anything relevant to Apollo.    ( Except that Kubrick's moon scenes weren't as good as the real thing )
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: iWitness on June 29, 2015, 04:29:03 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

You've already been trumped on this issue in your own thread about the moon landing. Your assertions were found to be wrong, so you resorted to trash talk. Go away.

Great Shill-tactic bravo. Way to derail the thread with your baseless claims. Care to link to the exact thread and assertions of mine that were trumped? I'd also like to see the alleged "trash talk" you are referring to.

2001: A Space Odyssey released in 1968 is a masterpiece of cinematography and video editing innovation that is extremely realistic compared to the grainy Apollo footage.

Like this pathetic excuse for a take-off:

(http://www.k3dav.com/Apollo019.gif)

Now compare to 2001: A Space Odyssey

(http://media.giphy.com/media/13iVDODhdDQTG8/giphy.gif)

Obviously the hoaxers are not as good at faking space travel as the pros, which is why the quality sucks. The reason for that is it is very difficult to find skilled individuals who are pieces of sh*t.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 04:32:02 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

You've already been trumped on this issue in your own thread about the moon landing. Your assertions were found to be wrong, so you resorted to trash talk. Go away.

Great Shill-tactic bravo. Way to derail the thread with your baseless claims. Care to link to the exact thread and assertions of mine that were trumped? I'd also like to see the alleged "trash talk" you are referring to.

2001: A Space Odyssey released in 1968 is a masterpiece of cinematography and video editing innovation that is extremely realistic compared to the grainy Apollo footage.

Like this pathetic excuse for a take-off:

(http://www.k3dav.com/Apollo019.gif)

Now compare to 2001: A Space Odyssey

(http://media.giphy.com/media/13iVDODhdDQTG8/giphy.gif)

Obviously the hoaxers are not as good at faking space travel as the pros, which is why the quality sucks. The reason for that is it is very difficult to find skilled individuals who are pieces of sh*t.

Why would we compare the footages if they aren't from the same time period. Are you straw-manning again? Wow, so unlike you...

Of course, it's easy to assume the world is a conspiracy waiting to happen, rather than follow the beauty and logic of science, and understand where the evidence lies.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Doglover on June 29, 2015, 08:52:13 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

You've already been trumped on this issue in your own thread about the moon landing. Your assertions were found to be wrong, so you resorted to trash talk. Go away.

Great Shill-tactic bravo. Way to derail the thread with your baseless claims. Care to link to the exact thread and assertions of mine that were trumped? I'd also like to see the alleged "trash talk" you are referring to.

2001: A Space Odyssey released in 1968 is a masterpiece of cinematography and video editing innovation that is extremely realistic compared to the grainy Apollo footage.

Like this pathetic excuse for a take-off:

(http://www.k3dav.com/Apollo019.gif)

Now compare to 2001: A Space Odyssey

(http://media.giphy.com/media/13iVDODhdDQTG8/giphy.gif)

Obviously the hoaxers are not as good at faking space travel as the pros, which is why the quality sucks. The reason for that is it is very difficult to find skilled individuals who are pieces of sh*t.

And if the LEM shot was a from movie, and the space station from "2001" was actual footage, you would be saying;

"Look at how the space station looks like a model, the lighting is too good, it can't be real. The lunar take off from the movie looks WAY more realistic! Look at all the stuff flying out at you just like it would in real life." (insert random foul language) 
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: mikeman7918 on June 29, 2015, 11:21:26 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

You've already been trumped on this issue in your own thread about the moon landing. Your assertions were found to be wrong, so you resorted to trash talk. Go away.

Great Shill-tactic bravo. Way to derail the thread with your baseless claims. Care to link to the exact thread and assertions of mine that were trumped? I'd also like to see the alleged "trash talk" you are referring to.

2001: A Space Odyssey released in 1968 is a masterpiece of cinematography and video editing innovation that is extremely realistic compared to the grainy Apollo footage.

Like this pathetic excuse for a take-off:

(http://www.k3dav.com/Apollo019.gif)

Now compare to 2001: A Space Odyssey

(http://media.giphy.com/media/13iVDODhdDQTG8/giphy.gif)

Obviously the hoaxers are not as good at faking space travel as the pros, which is why the quality sucks. The reason for that is it is very difficult to find skilled individuals who are pieces of sh*t.

I think that the fake and the real images looking so different should speak for it's self.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 03:19:26 PM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

You've already been trumped on this issue in your own thread about the moon landing. Your assertions were found to be wrong, so you resorted to trash talk. Go away.

Great Shill-tactic bravo. Way to derail the thread with your baseless claims. Care to link to the exact thread and assertions of mine that were trumped? I'd also like to see the alleged "trash talk" you are referring to.

2001: A Space Odyssey released in 1968 is a masterpiece of cinematography and video editing innovation that is extremely realistic compared to the grainy Apollo footage.

Like this pathetic excuse for a take-off:

(http://www.k3dav.com/Apollo019.gif)

Now compare to 2001: A Space Odyssey

(http://media.giphy.com/media/13iVDODhdDQTG8/giphy.gif)

Obviously the hoaxers are not as good at faking space travel as the pros, which is why the quality sucks. The reason for that is it is very difficult to find skilled individuals who are pieces of sh*t.

Why would we compare the footages if they aren't from the same time period. Are you straw-manning again? Wow, so unlike you...

Of course, it's easy to assume the world is a conspiracy waiting to happen, rather than follow the beauty and logic of science, and understand where the evidence lies.
Bill Do us a favor please don't be pretender you are scientist you are making your living from science and therefore you are liar and inferior to any other human being.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: mikeman7918 on June 29, 2015, 04:17:10 PM
Bill Do us a favor please don't be pretender you are scientist you are making your living from science and therefore you are liar and inferior to any other human being.

...

So if someone tries to figure out how the world works with the same scientific method which lead to the invention of the computer then they are a liar?

You are basically saying that anyone who does their own observations and uses objective reasoning is a liar, which makes sense coming from you because measurements and objective reasoning all point to round Earth.  You should try it some time, you can start by participating in my latest experiment (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64045.0#.VZHR1kYfX-U).
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 04:39:25 PM
Bill Do us a favor please don't be pretender you are scientist you are making your living from science and therefore you are liar and inferior to any other human being.

...

So if someone tries to figure out how the world works with the same scientific method which lead to the invention of the computer then they are a liar?

You are basically saying that anyone who does their own observations and uses objective reasoning is a liar, which makes sense coming from you because measurements and objective reasoning all point to round Earth.  You should try it some time, you can start by participating in my latest experiment (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64045.0#.VZHR1kYfX-U).
science definition is using the application of measurements to trickery. science is trickery,
Science can't bring to computers because it is paradox, computers is something that has an actual purpose, science is all about deception.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: sokarul on June 29, 2015, 04:40:42 PM
Bill Do us a favor please don't be pretender you are scientist you are making your living from science and therefore you are liar and inferior to any other human being.

...

So if someone tries to figure out how the world works with the same scientific method which lead to the invention of the computer then they are a liar?

You are basically saying that anyone who does their own observations and uses objective reasoning is a liar, which makes sense coming from you because measurements and objective reasoning all point to round Earth.  You should try it some time, you can start by participating in my latest experiment (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64045.0#.VZHR1kYfX-U).
science definition is using the application of measurements to trickery. science is trickery,
Science can't bring to computers because it is paradox, computers is something that has an actual purpose, science is all about deception.
You are a fool.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
Bill Do us a favor please don't be pretender you are scientist you are making your living from science and therefore you are liar and inferior to any other human being.

...

So if someone tries to figure out how the world works with the same scientific method which lead to the invention of the computer then they are a liar?

You are basically saying that anyone who does their own observations and uses objective reasoning is a liar, which makes sense coming from you because measurements and objective reasoning all point to round Earth.  You should try it some time, you can start by participating in my latest experiment (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64045.0#.VZHR1kYfX-U).
science definition is using the application of measurements to trickery. science is trickery,
Science can't bring to computers because it is paradox, computers is something that has an actual purpose, science is all about deception.
You are a fool.
You are scientist it's worse than being a fool, you are immoral and liar your entire legacy is the pictures of the people you lied to them.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: sokarul on June 29, 2015, 04:49:13 PM

You are scientist it's worse than being a fool, you are immoral and liar your entire legacy is the pictures of the people you lied to them.
This is 2015, not 50,000BC.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 04:51:13 PM

You are scientist it's worse than being a fool, you are immoral and liar your entire legacy is the pictures of the people you lied to them.
This is 2015, not 50,000BC.
I don't believe in 50000bc
I believe human history of the current human generations is going back to the 11 century.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
You know the world of scientists is so sad that even if I am wrong and scientist actually contribute to humanity I wouldn't care tell they are not contribute because their world has no moral codes because of absence of god and the existence of evolution which actually tell us we can be good Nazis in our nature and no one should give a damn about it.
I believe in moral codes and I believe people should stop lying and being a scientist or a doctor, when the worlds will be empty of hospitals and universities then I will know we achieved a progress.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: mikeman7918 on June 29, 2015, 05:13:29 PM
science definition is using the application of measurements to trickery. science is trickery,
Science can't bring to computers because it is paradox, computers is something that has an actual purpose, science is all about deception.

Actually the definition of science is "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.".  Science may be complicated, but it's elegant.  Here is an example of what I am talking about.

Look at this image:
(http://www.solidbackgrounds.com/images/2880x1800/2880x1800-smoky-black-solid-color-background.jpg)

It couldn't be simpler, every pixel is the same color.  It's not very elegent though because there is absolutely no detail.

Now look at this image:
(http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/tiler/images/random256_tile_mirror.jpg)

It's just random pixel colors.  It is as complicated as an image can get and it can't be compressed.  It's too complicated and it's definitely not elegant.

Here is another image:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTStIHGmASxi33cMshy79a3gloee3PSWx814iZChPqfYZGc3vWyxg)

It's quite elegant It has an amount of detail between that of the previous images, but the other images are both not very elegant.  Elegance lies between simplicity and complexity.  If it were to be put on a graph I believe it would look something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/lT7trzI.png)

You expect the universe to be so simple that it wouldn't even take math to understand, but in reality the universe lies right on top of the peak.  It's not as simple as it could be, but it's very elegant.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 05:15:21 PM
When round earth will suffer its fall, it will be the end of science and medicine, people will understand that they were deceived, and people like Mikey will be unemployed, and sokarul will have a depression because he is unemployed too.
Mikey I don't wish you anything bad just that in your life you will see people stare at you with angry expression.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 05:17:48 PM
science definition is using the application of measurements to trickery. science is trickery,
Science can't bring to computers because it is paradox, computers is something that has an actual purpose, science is all about deception.

Actually the definition of science is "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.".  Science may be complicated, but it's elegant.  Here is an example of what I am talking about.

Look at this image:
(http://www.solidbackgrounds.com/images/2880x1800/2880x1800-smoky-black-solid-color-background.jpg)

It couldn't be simpler, every pixel is the same color.  It's not very elegent though because there is absolutely no detail.

Now look at this image:
(http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/tiler/images/random256_tile_mirror.jpg)

It's just random pixel colors.  It is as complicated as an image can get and it can't be compressed.  It's too complicated and it's definitely not elegant.

Here is another image:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTStIHGmASxi33cMshy79a3gloee3PSWx814iZChPqfYZGc3vWyxg)

It's quite elegant It has an amount of detail between that of the previous images, but the other images are both not very elegant.  Elegance lies between simplicity and complexity.  If it were to be put on a graph I believe it would look something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/lT7trzI.png)

You expect the universe to be so simple that it wouldn't even take math to understand, but in reality the universe lies right on top of the peak.  It's not as simple as it could be, but it's very elegant.
The most essence of universe should be effortless and science is the opposite. as I said science is the art of deceiving, and it erect very clumsy theories to our life to confuse us and it make our life unnaturally ugly. I was believing in evolution and in round earth and in every scientific idea but I understood it make me depressed because it make the world ugly and stinky.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 05:28:19 PM
science definition is using the application of measurements to trickery. science is trickery,
Science can't bring to computers because it is paradox, computers is something that has an actual purpose, science is all about deception.

Actually the definition of science is "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.".  Science may be complicated, but it's elegant.  Here is an example of what I am talking about.

Look at this image:
(http://www.solidbackgrounds.com/images/2880x1800/2880x1800-smoky-black-solid-color-background.jpg)

It couldn't be simpler, every pixel is the same color.  It's not very elegent though because there is absolutely no detail.

Now look at this image:
(http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/tiler/images/random256_tile_mirror.jpg)

It's just random pixel colors.  It is as complicated as an image can get and it can't be compressed.  It's too complicated and it's definitely not elegant.

Here is another image:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTStIHGmASxi33cMshy79a3gloee3PSWx814iZChPqfYZGc3vWyxg)

It's quite elegant It has an amount of detail between that of the previous images, but the other images are both not very elegant.  Elegance lies between simplicity and complexity.  If it were to be put on a graph I believe it would look something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/lT7trzI.png)

You expect the universe to be so simple that it wouldn't even take math to understand, but in reality the universe lies right on top of the peak.  It's not as simple as it could be, but it's very elegant.
The most essence of universe should be effortless and science is the opposite. as I said science is the art of deceiving, and it erect very clumsy theories to our life to confuse us and it make our life unnaturally ugly. I was believing in evolution and in round earth and in every scientific idea but I understood it make me depressed because it make the world ugly and stinky.

So now you ignore evidence because you got depressed? So you admit to be living in a fantasy world, where all of your beliefs are true?
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: mikeman7918 on June 29, 2015, 05:32:37 PM
The most essence of universe should be effortless and science is the opposite. as I said science is the art of deceiving, and it erect very clumsy theories to our life to confuse us and it make our life unnaturally ugly. I was believing in evolution and in round earth and in every scientific idea but I understood it make me depressed because it make the world ugly and stinky.

If it's so effortless then you should have no problem coming up with a grand theory of everything that's incredibly simple, and then you can pick up your Nobel prize.  The universe that you think we live in would be about as elegant as that single color image.  Unfortunately the universe is what it is and wanting it to be simple won't change anything.

Here is a way of thinking about it.  Let's take the 3 images I posted before and say that they represent everything there is to know about a given universe.  Let's say that you can only experimentally discover a few pixels and you had to make educated guesses for the rest.  Then a scientist could test their guesses by making and testing predictions and see if it fits.

In the solid image scientists will find out what the whole thing it pretty quickly.

In the random image would probably never be fully figured out because it's random.

The elegant image would be quite tricky to figure out and there will be some holes that will be very hard to fill, but it's easier then the first image because it's more predictable.  This is what we observe with science.

If science is so wrong, then you should have no trouble coming up with some things it currently has wrong.  Please don't say the shape of the Earth, because that would be circular reasoning.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 05:45:18 PM
The most essence of universe should be effortless and science is the opposite. as I said science is the art of deceiving, and it erect very clumsy theories to our life to confuse us and it make our life unnaturally ugly. I was believing in evolution and in round earth and in every scientific idea but I understood it make me depressed because it make the world ugly and stinky.

If it's so effortless then you should have no problem coming up with a grand theory of everything that's incredibly simple, and then you can pick up your Nobel prize.  The universe that you think we live in would be about as elegant as that single color image.  Unfortunately the universe is what it is and wanting it to be simple won't change anything.

Here is a way of thinking about it.  Let's take the 3 images I posted before and say that they represent everything there is to know about a given universe.  Let's say that you can only experimentally discover a few pixels and you had to make educated guesses for the rest.  Then a scientist could test their guesses by making and testing predictions and see if it fits.

In the solid image scientists will find out what the whole thing it pretty quickly.

In the random image would probably never be fully figured out because it's random.

The elegant image would be quite tricky to figure out and there will be some holes that will be very hard to fill, but it's easier then the first image because it's more predictable.  This is what we observe with science.

If science is so wrong, then you should have no trouble coming up with some things it currently has wrong.  Please don't say the shape of the Earth, because that would be circular reasoning.
I have a theory which summit all and everything comes out of it - Infinitely and eternally god.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 05:46:34 PM
The most essence of universe should be effortless and science is the opposite. as I said science is the art of deceiving, and it erect very clumsy theories to our life to confuse us and it make our life unnaturally ugly. I was believing in evolution and in round earth and in every scientific idea but I understood it make me depressed because it make the world ugly and stinky.

If it's so effortless then you should have no problem coming up with a grand theory of everything that's incredibly simple, and then you can pick up your Nobel prize.  The universe that you think we live in would be about as elegant as that single color image.  Unfortunately the universe is what it is and wanting it to be simple won't change anything.

Here is a way of thinking about it.  Let's take the 3 images I posted before and say that they represent everything there is to know about a given universe.  Let's say that you can only experimentally discover a few pixels and you had to make educated guesses for the rest.  Then a scientist could test their guesses by making and testing predictions and see if it fits.

In the solid image scientists will find out what the whole thing it pretty quickly.

In the random image would probably never be fully figured out because it's random.

The elegant image would be quite tricky to figure out and there will be some holes that will be very hard to fill, but it's easier then the first image because it's more predictable.  This is what we observe with science.

If science is so wrong, then you should have no trouble coming up with some things it currently has wrong.  Please don't say the shape of the Earth, because that would be circular reasoning.
I have a theory which summit all and everything comes out of it - Infinitely and eternally god.

God is fake.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 05:52:35 PM
The most essence of universe should be effortless and science is the opposite. as I said science is the art of deceiving, and it erect very clumsy theories to our life to confuse us and it make our life unnaturally ugly. I was believing in evolution and in round earth and in every scientific idea but I understood it make me depressed because it make the world ugly and stinky.

If it's so effortless then you should have no problem coming up with a grand theory of everything that's incredibly simple, and then you can pick up your Nobel prize.  The universe that you think we live in would be about as elegant as that single color image.  Unfortunately the universe is what it is and wanting it to be simple won't change anything.

Here is a way of thinking about it.  Let's take the 3 images I posted before and say that they represent everything there is to know about a given universe.  Let's say that you can only experimentally discover a few pixels and you had to make educated guesses for the rest.  Then a scientist could test their guesses by making and testing predictions and see if it fits.

In the solid image scientists will find out what the whole thing it pretty quickly.

In the random image would probably never be fully figured out because it's random.

The elegant image would be quite tricky to figure out and there will be some holes that will be very hard to fill, but it's easier then the first image because it's more predictable.  This is what we observe with science.

If science is so wrong, then you should have no trouble coming up with some things it currently has wrong.  Please don't say the shape of the Earth, because that would be circular reasoning.
I have a theory which summit all and everything comes out of it - Infinitely and eternally god.

God is fake.
life without god are meaningless that's what naza is all about.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 29, 2015, 05:53:26 PM
The most essence of universe should be effortless and science is the opposite. as I said science is the art of deceiving, and it erect very clumsy theories to our life to confuse us and it make our life unnaturally ugly. I was believing in evolution and in round earth and in every scientific idea but I understood it make me depressed because it make the world ugly and stinky.

If it's so effortless then you should have no problem coming up with a grand theory of everything that's incredibly simple, and then you can pick up your Nobel prize.  The universe that you think we live in would be about as elegant as that single color image.  Unfortunately the universe is what it is and wanting it to be simple won't change anything.

Here is a way of thinking about it.  Let's take the 3 images I posted before and say that they represent everything there is to know about a given universe.  Let's say that you can only experimentally discover a few pixels and you had to make educated guesses for the rest.  Then a scientist could test their guesses by making and testing predictions and see if it fits.

In the solid image scientists will find out what the whole thing it pretty quickly.

In the random image would probably never be fully figured out because it's random.

The elegant image would be quite tricky to figure out and there will be some holes that will be very hard to fill, but it's easier then the first image because it's more predictable.  This is what we observe with science.

If science is so wrong, then you should have no trouble coming up with some things it currently has wrong.  Please don't say the shape of the Earth, because that would be circular reasoning.
I have a theory which summit all and everything comes out of it - Infinitely and eternally god.

God is fake.
life without god are meaningless that's what naza is all about.

My life has plenty of meaning without an archaic god.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 05:56:44 PM
The most essence of universe should be effortless and science is the opposite. as I said science is the art of deceiving, and it erect very clumsy theories to our life to confuse us and it make our life unnaturally ugly. I was believing in evolution and in round earth and in every scientific idea but I understood it make me depressed because it make the world ugly and stinky.

If it's so effortless then you should have no problem coming up with a grand theory of everything that's incredibly simple, and then you can pick up your Nobel prize.  The universe that you think we live in would be about as elegant as that single color image.  Unfortunately the universe is what it is and wanting it to be simple won't change anything.

Here is a way of thinking about it.  Let's take the 3 images I posted before and say that they represent everything there is to know about a given universe.  Let's say that you can only experimentally discover a few pixels and you had to make educated guesses for the rest.  Then a scientist could test their guesses by making and testing predictions and see if it fits.

In the solid image scientists will find out what the whole thing it pretty quickly.

In the random image would probably never be fully figured out because it's random.

The elegant image would be quite tricky to figure out and there will be some holes that will be very hard to fill, but it's easier then the first image because it's more predictable.  This is what we observe with science.

If science is so wrong, then you should have no trouble coming up with some things it currently has wrong.  Please don't say the shape of the Earth, because that would be circular reasoning.
I have a theory which summit all and everything comes out of it - Infinitely and eternally god.

God is fake.
life without god are meaningless that's what naza is all about.

My life has plenty of meaning without an archaic god.
When humanity was created the first question was where did we come from, and the immediate answer was that there is creator, don't you see you can't take it from people therefore science and medicine and naza going to lose some time.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Misero on June 29, 2015, 06:08:49 PM
My point in life to is make meaning, not to serve some overlord under threat of eternal torture.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: modestman on June 29, 2015, 06:11:19 PM
My point in life to is make meaning, not to serve some overlord under threat of eternal torture.
I don't believe in religion, religion is almost the same shit as science, just science is more evil much more evil.
I don't believe in eternal torture.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 29, 2015, 06:20:08 PM
science definition is using the application of measurements to trickery. science is trickery,
Science can't bring to computers because it is paradox, computers is something that has an actual purpose, science is all about deception.

Actually the definition of science is "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.".  Science may be complicated, but it's elegant.  Here is an example of what I am talking about.

Look at this image:
(http://www.solidbackgrounds.com/images/2880x1800/2880x1800-smoky-black-solid-color-background.jpg)

It couldn't be simpler, every pixel is the same color.  It's not very elegent though because there is absolutely no detail.

Now look at this image:
(http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/tiler/images/random256_tile_mirror.jpg)

It's just random pixel colors.  It is as complicated as an image can get and it can't be compressed.  It's too complicated and it's definitely not elegant.

Here is another image:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTStIHGmASxi33cMshy79a3gloee3PSWx814iZChPqfYZGc3vWyxg)

It's quite elegant It has an amount of detail between that of the previous images, but the other images are both not very elegant.  Elegance lies between simplicity and complexity.  If it were to be put on a graph I believe it would look something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/lT7trzI.png)

You expect the universe to be so simple that it wouldn't even take math to understand, but in reality the universe lies right on top of the peak.  It's not as simple as it could be, but it's very elegant.

Excellent post,   the real pity, is that some many people are ignorant of  the beauty of the maths describing the universe.

I'm thinking of the standard model Lagrangian.    (http://)


Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: FlatOrange on June 29, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

Have you watched the movie? You realize they walk around on their spaceship? The people on the moon just walk slowly.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: mikeman7918 on June 29, 2015, 09:08:06 PM
I have a theory which summit all and everything comes out of it - Infinitely and eternally god.

Great.

Just make predictions with it and then go pick up your Nobel prize.  Otherwise your theory is useless.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: sceptimatic on June 30, 2015, 12:51:14 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

Have you watched the movie? You realize they walk around on their spaceship? The people on the moon just walk slowly.
They shouldn't be walking slowly though. No atmospheric resistance to their bodies and one sixth gravity is what they tell us.

Work it out for yourself.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 30, 2015, 12:55:56 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

Have you watched the movie? You realize they walk around on their spaceship? The people on the moon just walk slowly.
They shouldn't be walking slowly though. No atmospheric resistance to their bodies and one sixth gravity is what they tell us.

Work it out for yourself.

No,  according to the well known theory of denspressure,  they should be floating.   Since there is no air,  there can be no airpressure.   You should already know this scepti,  this is grade school denspressure theory.  !!!

Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: sceptimatic on June 30, 2015, 02:58:34 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

Have you watched the movie? You realize they walk around on their spaceship? The people on the moon just walk slowly.
They shouldn't be walking slowly though. No atmospheric resistance to their bodies and one sixth gravity is what they tell us.

Work it out for yourself.

No,  according to the well known theory of denspressure,  they should be floating.   Since there is no air,  there can be no airpressure.   You should already know this scepti,  this is grade school denspressure theory.  !!!
If you cared to use your nut you would see why the moon and no air and what not, is bullshit. I keep nudging myself to put you people into some kind of intelligence category but I can't when you believe in crap like men on the moon stuff. It basically wipes out any push you people give out as to having any scientifically logical brains.

Your world involves far too much belief in fantasy and it's shocking.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JerkFace on June 30, 2015, 03:25:41 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

Have you watched the movie? You realize they walk around on their spaceship? The people on the moon just walk slowly.
They shouldn't be walking slowly though. No atmospheric resistance to their bodies and one sixth gravity is what they tell us.

Work it out for yourself.

No,  according to the well known theory of denspressure,  they should be floating.   Since there is no air,  there can be no airpressure.   You should already know this scepti,  this is grade school denspressure theory.  !!!
If you cared to use your nut you would see why the moon and no air and what not, is bullshit. I keep nudging myself to put you people into some kind of intelligence category but I can't when you believe in crap like men on the moon stuff. It basically wipes out any push you people give out as to having any scientifically logical brains.

Your world involves far too much belief in fantasy and it's shocking.

The reality is we did land on the moon, and gravity is real,   denspressure is interesting as a theory,  but the evidence says that it's the fantasy not gravity.  Of course if you have ANY evidence to the contrary then let's hear it.   I'm not biased against evidence,  I'm just biased against unfounded bullshit conspiracies. 
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: sceptimatic on June 30, 2015, 03:55:44 AM
^^^ Even more beautiful video made in 1968 showing how perfectly capable they were of faking space travel.

Have you watched the movie? You realize they walk around on their spaceship? The people on the moon just walk slowly.
They shouldn't be walking slowly though. No atmospheric resistance to their bodies and one sixth gravity is what they tell us.

Work it out for yourself.

No,  according to the well known theory of denspressure,  they should be floating.   Since there is no air,  there can be no airpressure.   You should already know this scepti,  this is grade school denspressure theory.  !!!
If you cared to use your nut you would see why the moon and no air and what not, is bullshit. I keep nudging myself to put you people into some kind of intelligence category but I can't when you believe in crap like men on the moon stuff. It basically wipes out any push you people give out as to having any scientifically logical brains.

Your world involves far too much belief in fantasy and it's shocking.

The reality is we did land on the moon, and gravity is real,   denspressure is interesting as a theory,  but the evidence says that it's the fantasy not gravity.  Of course if you have ANY evidence to the contrary then let's hear it.   I'm not biased against evidence,  I'm just biased against unfounded bullshit conspiracies.
You accept or deny anything you want to. It's your right. If you think denpressure is interesting then take some time to understand it all by trying to place it into your reality instead of your gravitational fantasy model.

Let's be honest. You have all the globe bollocks at your whim. Try out of the box and see where it takes you. It's more for your benefit to at least delve into it. It's entirely up to you. It changes nothing as far as I'm concerned. I stay with my theory until I know for sure I'm on the wrong track.
I don't see where I'm treading the wrong path as it goes from this point.
I'm full on serious about my thought's and nobody will distract me for that, until I decide I can't take it any further.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on June 30, 2015, 04:13:58 AM
I believe human history of the current human generations is going back to the 11 century.
Err, what?
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: Bill_the_Pretender on June 30, 2015, 05:03:29 AM
I believe human history of the current human generations is going back to the 11 century.
Err, what?

There are more than a few YECs on this forum. I wouldn't be surprised if Modest was one either, considering how stupid he is.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: samvittighed on July 01, 2015, 01:36:36 PM
Also, why are you conspiracy theorists so ANGRY all the time?

Because you are attacking their social identity when challenging their beliefs.

Myles Power looked at 911-truthers and their belief system, and I see quite a few parallels to the flat earth belief system:

(http://)
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 02:37:44 PM
Also, why are you conspiracy theorists so ANGRY all the time?

Because you are attacking their social identity when challenging their beliefs.

Myles Power looked at 911-truthers and their belief system, and I see quite a few parallels to the flat earth belief system:

(http://)
9/11 truther's and their belief system, eh. Some person decides to psychologically assess them.
It's easy to assess their belief system. It goes like this.
They question why things happen that realistically should not happen, such as building's falling into their own basements without controlled demolition allegedly not being used.
When told about planes with fuel doing it, they then switch to building 7 which was not hit by any plane on any official report.
It was hit with some shrapnel, we are told, yet this building also falls into its own basement in about 7 seconds.
There's no belief system with many, just questioning the official line. If that makes them nuts, then this world is finished for human beings, because there's not a lot left for people to do, other than to simply accept anything and everything that comes their way whether it comes with mountain sized questions marks attached, because questioning is becoming a thing of the past.
The future is obey and speak when you're spoken to and only use pre-selected answer's or be punished.


Yeah yeah, I know. Oh my god, how paranoid is scepti. About as paranoid as you all will be when you realise that the  rug you thought you were walking on was actually being pulled from under you.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: josan on July 01, 2015, 02:59:02 PM
You know the world of scientists is so sad that even if I am wrong and scientist actually contribute to humanity I wouldn't care tell they are not contribute because their world has no moral codes because of absence of god and the existence of evolution which actually tell us we can be good Nazis in our nature and no one should give a damn about it.
I believe in moral codes and I believe people should stop lying and being a scientist or a doctor, when the worlds will be empty of hospitals and universities then I will know we achieved a progress.

   When I was in elementary school in standard 5 I had once participated in a debate on Science : A boon or bane . Boys on the bane side had their main attacking point of hiroshima and nagasaki. Even though we knew it well before still we could not prepare well for that point. I mean from the point of view of a fifth standard fellow how does one argue against such death and destruction.
 
  I believe people should stop lying and being a scientist or a doctor, when the worlds will be empty of hospitals and universities then I will know we achieved a progress.

 Such "progress" in the modern scenario is unthinkable from any angle. The cause behind such thinking therefore should be reasoned with and settled. If it still persists and is in open conflict then I believe that the perpetrator should be in a mental asylum.
Title: Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes
Post by: josan on July 01, 2015, 03:02:34 PM
"As we shall see, the concept of time has no meaning before the beginning of the universe. This was first pointed out by St. Augustine. When asked: What did God do before he created the universe? Augustine didn't reply: He was preparing Hell for people who asked such questions. Instead, he said that time was a property of the universe that God created, and that time did not exist before the beginning of the universe."

"One can imagine that God created the universe at literally any time in the past. On the other hand, if the universe is expanding, there may be physical reasons why there had to be a beginning. One could imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big bang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big bang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big bang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job!"

- Stephen Hawking