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Title: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on February 02, 2015, 06:01:56 AM
check it out...

watch the atheists get OWNED by the Intelligent Designers!   ;D

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Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: kman on February 02, 2015, 07:09:34 AM
I am more interested in a debate right here right now then listening to others on youtube.
...why don't you make some points?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Orifiel on February 02, 2015, 09:05:09 AM
Evolution can be induced though...we've done it...farmers, scientists, breeders...
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on February 02, 2015, 03:05:16 PM
Heavy weights*
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on February 03, 2015, 01:09:36 AM
check it out...

watch the atheists get OWNED by the Intelligent Designers!   ;D

(http://) ;


could you please summarise the video, i didn't watch all of it.

I get a rash when i am exposed to too much retard
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 03, 2015, 03:06:34 AM
Are people still going on about intelligent design?

It's one of those dead ends that doesn't please Christian fundamentalists as it has nothing to do with their biblical creation myth, and it's hated by scientists as it's bullshit.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on February 03, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab
It's one of those dead ends that doesn't please Christian fundamentalists as it has nothing to do with their biblical creation myth, and it's hated by scientists as it's bullshit.

let's turn all that around shall we, eh?

its embraced by BIBLE-believing Christians (the only "game" in town! ) because it backs up the Scriptures 100%;

its feared and hated by so-called "scientists" because it obliterates their "village idiot", atheistic world view......and....so......they try to use the BOGUS meme of "methodological naturalism" in a vain attempt to censor legitimate discussion in peer-reviewed journals (like, for instance, the atheistic so-&-so who 'edits' Nature...'John Maddox' )
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: sokarul on February 03, 2015, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab
It's one of those dead ends that doesn't please Christian fundamentalists as it has nothing to do with their biblical creation myth, and it's hated by scientists as it's bullshit.

let's turn all that around shall we, eh?

its embraced by BIBLE-believing Christians (the only "game" in town! ) because it backs up the Scriptures 100%;

its feared and hated by so-called "scientists" because it obliterates their "village idiot", atheistic world view......and....so......they try to use the BOGUS meme of "methodological naturalism" in a vain attempt to censor legitimate discussion in peer-reviewed journals (like, for instance, the atheistic so-&-so who 'edits' Nature...'John Maddox' )

Why are old world monkeys only found in Africa and Asia, and new world monkeys found in South America?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: BJ1234 on February 03, 2015, 09:36:52 PM
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab
It's one of those dead ends that doesn't please Christian fundamentalists as it has nothing to do with their biblical creation myth, and it's hated by scientists as it's bullshit.

let's turn all that around shall we, eh?

its embraced by BIBLE-believing Christians (the only "game" in town! ) because it backs up the Scriptures 100%;

its feared and hated by so-called "scientists" because it obliterates their "village idiot", atheistic world view......and....so......they try to use the BOGUS meme of "methodological naturalism" in a vain attempt to censor legitimate discussion in peer-reviewed journals (like, for instance, the atheistic so-&-so who 'edits' Nature...'John Maddox' )

Why are old world monkeys only found in Africa and Asia, and new world monkeys found in South America?
Because that is where God put them Duh!!!! ::) ;D
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: mikeman7918 on February 03, 2015, 10:34:46 PM
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab
It's one of those dead ends that doesn't please Christian fundamentalists as it has nothing to do with their biblical creation myth, and it's hated by scientists as it's bullshit.

let's turn all that around shall we, eh?

its embraced by BIBLE-believing Christians (the only "game" in town! ) because it backs up the Scriptures 100%;

its feared and hated by so-called "scientists" because it obliterates their "village idiot", atheistic world view......and....so......they try to use the BOGUS meme of "methodological naturalism" in a vain attempt to censor legitimate discussion in peer-reviewed journals (like, for instance, the atheistic so-&-so who 'edits' Nature...'John Maddox' )


I am a Christian and I disagree with you.  I am all for science because it is simply learning via experimentation and it has to be backed up by tons of evidence to become recognized as valid.  As for how the creation of the (round) Earth truly happened I simply do not know, but because of evidence I know that evolution was involved and of course the Bible has a thing or two to say about creation, but I just don't know exactaly how it all fits together and I don't want to just make assumptions.

By the way, why do you always use a blue 12 point times new roman font?  Why not just use the default black text?  I am just curious.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: i5150v1 on February 07, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
So evolution starts with the single cell amoeba that eats bacteria and continues to evolve ? Is this the start?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: kman on February 07, 2015, 06:16:23 PM
No. Do you understand the theory if evolution (which is incidentally completely different from abiogenesis, what you seem to be referring to)?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 05:16:42 AM
One I would like to know. Can somebody

1. believe in God

2. but nevertheless refuse "Intelligent Design"

Or wouldn't such refusal make God conpletely useless?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Rama Set on March 13, 2015, 06:02:50 AM
One I would like to know. Can somebody

1. believe in God

2. but nevertheless refuse "Intelligent Design"

Or wouldn't such refusal make God conpletely useless?

A deistic God is totally compatible with Evolution and really the only viable notion of God.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 06:16:43 AM
One I would like to know. Can somebody

1. believe in God

2. but nevertheless refuse "Intelligent Design"

Or wouldn't such refusal make God conpletely useless?

A deistic God is totally compatible with Evolution and really the only viable notion of God.

You cannot pray to it, it doesn't interact in any way with its creation. It is nothing more than a placeholder. so why should one believe in it instead of just being a humble agnostic?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Rama Set on March 13, 2015, 07:30:20 AM
One I would like to know. Can somebody

1. believe in God

2. but nevertheless refuse "Intelligent Design"

Or wouldn't such refusal make God conpletely useless?

A deistic God is totally compatible with Evolution and really the only viable notion of God.

You cannot pray to it, it doesn't interact in any way with its creation. It is nothing more than a placeholder. so why should one believe in it instead of just being a humble agnostic?

That is a personal choice I suppose. I would not proceed as if such a being existed and will enlighten me upon passing to the other side.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 07:57:25 AM
One I would like to know. Can somebody

1. believe in God

2. but nevertheless refuse "Intelligent Design"

Or wouldn't such refusal make God conpletely useless?

A deistic God is totally compatible with Evolution and really the only viable notion of God.

You cannot pray to it, it doesn't interact in any way with its creation. It is nothing more than a placeholder. so why should one believe in it instead of just being a humble agnostic?

That is a personal choice I suppose. I would not proceed as if such a being existed and will enlighten me upon passing to the other side.

So the deistic God

1. is the cause of the universe
2. is whom we'll going to meet face to face in the afterlife

but doesn't do anything inside the universe he|she|it created. But, actually, why? obviously he could. Who forbids that he does?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Vauxhall on March 13, 2015, 09:36:37 AM
So the deistic God

1. is the cause of the universe
2. is whom we'll going to meet face to face in the afterlife

but doesn't do anything inside the universe he|she|it created. But, actually, why? obviously he could. Who forbids that he does?

Something something freewill.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Rama Set on March 13, 2015, 09:45:31 AM

So the deistic God

1. is the cause of the universe
2. is whom we'll going to meet face to face in the afterlife

but doesn't do anything inside the universe he|she|it created. But, actually, why? obviously he could. Who forbids that he does?

You are not only assuming that god wants to interfere, but that god is being forbidden from doing so.  I am sorry, but none of that makes sense to me.

If there is a god, then perhaps this universe is as meaningful to it as a fart and could care less about it's existence.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 12:45:03 PM
I personally think of God as a gardener of a massive beautiful botanical garden and the Earth and us as one flower in it. He tends the garden lovingly and carefully because he created it and he loves it. But one flower out of millions does not hold his attention anymore than another. If it dies and falls to the ground he wont notice it.

Humans being created in his image and being special to him is just a human construct in my opinion. We are no more special than any one other thing he created.

Now back to my pizza.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 12:57:47 PM
I personally think of God as a gardener of a massive beautiful botanical garden and the Earth and us as one flower in it. He tends the garden lovingly and carefully because he created it and he loves it. But one flower out of millions does not hold his attention anymore than another. If it dies and falls to the ground he wont notice it.

Humans being created in his image and being special to him is just a human construct in my opinion. We are no more special than any one other thing he created.

Now back to my pizza.

That's clearly Intelligent Design trying to sound cool.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 01:04:49 PM
One I would like to know. Can somebody

1. believe in God

2. but nevertheless refuse "Intelligent Design"

Or wouldn't such refusal make God conpletely useless?

Define useless: and, for that matter, define intelligent design. It's entirely possible (using the term loosely) God made early life and let it evolve on its own terms. It's also entirely possible God made the early universe, and life developed naturally, with no direct intervention. It still required a deity to design the universe, but there was no direct intervention for the development of life. That seems to be the closest a typical theist could come to refusing intelligent design.
Otherwise God might arbitrarily create universes, and things would develop by luck: and there's no design (or, necessarily intelligence) in that situation, but God was still very much required and far from useless.

Long story short: with badly defined terms, anything's possible. After all, strictly speaking pandeism is a form of theism which still lets you honestly state "God does not exist." You really need to define what you're talking about when it comes to religion.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 01:19:12 PM
I personally think of God as a gardener of a massive beautiful botanical garden and the Earth and us as one flower in it. He tends the garden lovingly and carefully because he created it and he loves it. But one flower out of millions does not hold his attention anymore than another. If it dies and falls to the ground he wont notice it.

Humans being created in his image and being special to him is just a human construct in my opinion. We are no more special than any one other thing he created.

Now back to my pizza.

That's clearly Intelligent Design trying to sound cool.

First off, its not trying to sound cool, it is cool.

Second, that doesn't presuppose whether God created everything whole cloth or God simply set off the big bang and let things sort themselves out.

I'm of the opinion its the latter.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 01:21:30 PM
One I would like to know. Can somebody

1. believe in God

2. but nevertheless refuse "Intelligent Design"

Or wouldn't such refusal make God conpletely useless?

Define useless: and, for that matter, define intelligent design. It's entirely possible (using the term loosely) God made early life and let it evolve on its own terms. It's also entirely possible God made the early universe, and life developed naturally, with no direct intervention. It still required a deity to design the universe, but there was no direct intervention for the development of life. That seems to be the closest a typical theist could come to refusing intelligent design.
Otherwise God might arbitrarily create universes, and things would develop by luck: and there's no design (or, necessarily intelligence) in that situation, but God was still very much required and far from useless.

Long story short: with badly defined terms, anything's possible. After all, strictly speaking pandeism is a form of theism which still lets you honestly state "God does not exist." You really need to define what you're talking about when it comes to religion.

Definition:
"Intelligent design" = any theistic standpoint postulating a Godhead that is not thoroughly useless.

Clarification:
Regardless how early you postulate the last interference of the Godhead with the universe, it is still some form of design.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 01:24:44 PM
Definition:
"Intelligent design" = any theistic standpoint postulating a Godhead that is not thoroughly useless.

Clarification:
Regardless how early you postulate the last interference of the Godhead with the universe, it is still some form of design.

Then a typical theist probably couldn't, but you'd still get plenty of conceivable possibilities (eg: Greek mythology) which posits a great deal of interference post-creation.
Unless design constitutes any influence on humanity, in which case it's logically impossible to provide what you're asking for.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 01:48:23 PM
That Greek Mythology thing gave me a funny idea. Since we all know, thanks Daeniken, that the Gods were nothing but alien astronauts...

Postulation 1: Life is a principally understandable and reproducable matter of chemical reactions

If this is true,we can expect that mankind sometime will be able to create artificial life. If we have enough time we will also be able to induce this artificial life on other planets.
That would probably mean that even if there is naturally developed life on other planets, most life occuring in the galaxy will be generated by "intelligent design" = by us, for it would take longer for life to generate in the natural way than it takes to be generated artificially.

Postulation 2: We are not the first intelligent species in our galaxy.

In this case we can assume, hat they did the same. That means, IF there has ever been an intelligent species in the past of our galaxy, and even if life can develop in a natural way, it is more probable that life on our planet was generated by them rather than naturally, that is, by Intelligent design.

Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 02:15:26 PM

Postulation 2: We are not the first intelligent species in our galaxy.

In this case we can assume, hat they did the same... it is more probable that life on our planet was generated by them rather than naturally, that is, by Intelligent design.

The problem here's that the original life could apparently develop naturally. Alone that makes postulation 2 rather more questionable, but renders the conclusion from it highly unjustified.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 02:30:23 PM

Postulation 2: We are not the first intelligent species in our galaxy.

In this case we can assume, hat they did the same... it is more probable that life on our planet was generated by them rather than naturally, that is, by Intelligent design.

The problem here's that the original life could apparently develop naturally. Alone that makes postulation 2 rather more questionable, but renders the conclusion from it highly unjustified.

Nope. It is irrelevant how questionable the postulation is. It's an if-then-thingie. Sorry, I do not know how to write the sign for Implication with my laptop.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 02:38:48 PM
The problem here's that the original life could apparently develop naturally. Alone that makes postulation 2 rather more questionable, but renders the conclusion from it highly unjustified.

Nope. It is irrelevant how questionable the postulation is. It's an if-then-thingie. Sorry, I do not know how to write the sign for Implication with my laptop.

I questioned the conclusion too.
Plus it's always worth acknowledging postulations are unlikely. If-then implications (mathematically speaking, => might be what you're looking for) are only meaningful so long as the 'if' is.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
The problem here's that the original life could apparently develop naturally. Alone that makes postulation 2 rather more questionable, but renders the conclusion from it highly unjustified.

Nope. It is irrelevant how questionable the postulation is. It's an if-then-thingie. Sorry, I do not know how to write the sign for Implication with my laptop.

I questioned the conclusion too.
Plus it's always worth acknowledging postulations are unlikely. If-then implications (mathematically speaking, => might be what you're looking for) are only meaningful so long as the 'if' is.

You try to be boring again. Don't bother for the postulation, it's just a game. What is wrong with the conclusion?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 02:48:31 PM
You try to be boring again. Don't bother for the postulation, it's just a game. What is wrong with the conclusion?

You acknowledge that life develops by natural means: so there's no need to involve another species (even granting that they exist) in its creation.

If realistic's being boring, I'm sorry  :P
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 02:52:03 PM
You try to be boring again. Don't bother for the postulation, it's just a game. What is wrong with the conclusion?

You acknowledge that life develops by natural means: so there's no need to involve another species (even granting that they exist) in its creation.

If realistic's being boring, I'm sorry  :P

You somehow never understand what I mean. Read it again, think it over, then post once more. Or do something completely different.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 02:55:05 PM
You somehow never understand what I mean. Read it again, think it over, then post once more. Or do something completely different.

If you're including "We can assume they did the same," and the like in your postulations, then you haven't played any kind of logical or deductive game, you're just stated.
Consider that the problem may be in how you express your points, or in varying presuppositions.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 03:07:18 PM
You somehow never understand what I mean. Read it again, think it over, then post once more. Or do something completely different.

If you're including "We can assume they did the same," and the like in your postulations, then you haven't played any kind of logical or deductive game, you're just stated.
Consider that the problem may be in how you express your points, or in varying presuppositions.

The assumption that a (human or alien) civilization will create artificial life, if it is possible to do that, is not that far-fetched. But I admit, I could be totally amiss. They could well spend their lifes with questions like: is reality a function of consciousness?  :P
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 03:09:41 PM
The assumption that a (human or alien) civilization will create artificial life, if it is possible to do that, is not that far-fetched. But I admit, I could be totally amiss. They could well spend their lifes with questions like: is reality a function of consciousness.  :P

Actually it gets pretty far-fetched: there are numerous moral quandaries, as well as the notion that morality will evolve along with intelligence. Plus, even if it is possible, the degree to which technology and knowledge must grow would probably take longer than life coming about by natural causes.
Beyond bastardizations of quantum mechanics, I feel the answer to your latter question is a rather succinct 'no'.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 03:15:45 PM
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the degree to which technology and knowledge must grow would probably take longer than life coming about by natural causes.

You do not provide any reason for saying that, rather

Quote
you're just stated
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 03:18:16 PM
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the degree to which technology and knowledge must grow would probably take longer than life coming about by natural causes.

You do not provide any reason for saying that

Note the 'probably'. Given we can't do such a thing, we can't really say much more.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 03:32:12 PM
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the degree to which technology and knowledge must grow would probably take longer than life coming about by natural causes.

You do not provide any reason for saying that

Note the 'probably'. Given we can't do such a thing, we can't really say much more.

I do have the - poorly educated - opinion that the natural development of life is a rather rare event, given the vast step of complication between a solution of amino acids or proteids and a living cell. I would guess, we could find millions of earth like planets with oceans and atmosphere, and not one of them might be home to any form of life. I would not be surprised if we find the first alien life on a place, where nobody would expect it.

On the other hand,  life developed very early on our planet.

This could indicate that my opinion is wrong.

But if my opinion turns out to be true, this early appearance of life on earth could be interpreted as evidence, that life on earth was indeed artificially generated.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 03:37:21 PM
I do have the - poorly educated - opinion that the natural development of life is a rather rare event, given the vast step of complication between a solution of amino acids or proteids and a living cell. I would guess, we could find millions of earth like planets with oceans and atmosphere, and not one of them might be home to any form of life.
That's true: it is a highly unlikely event, as far as we know.
The problem is that it would be unlikely no matter where it happened. That would also make it hard to develop the knowledge to create such life: and that's without getting on to the problem of transportation and motive. Outside of Star Trek, you're not going to get an alien race that flies around to a random planet and seeds it with life.
It's a possibility, I'm fine with admitting that, just an unnecessary and unlikely one.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 03:40:19 PM
It's basically just a matter of time.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Vauxhall on March 13, 2015, 05:16:14 PM
Once again, BiJane comments on something she knows nothing about. Her intelligence anchored to the Earth and rejecting anything beyond it. Artificial intelligence, virtual reality life, aliens.... all are unlikely but, since the universe is practically infinite, the possibility that something like that hasn't happened is very unlikely. Fuck, we're here, aren't we? The "unlikely" has already happened. And I'd bet it has happened numerous times across the universe.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 13, 2015, 05:19:13 PM
Once again, BiJane comments on something she knows nothing about. Her intelligence anchored to the Earth and rejecting anything beyond it. Artificial intelligence, virtual reality life, aliens.... all are unlikely but, since the universe is practically infinite, the possibility that something like that hasn't happened is very unlikely. Fuck, we're here, aren't we? The "unlikely" has already happened. And I'd bet it has happened numerous times across the universe.

I'm pretty sure aliens do exist: but there's worlds from that to thinking we'd ever so much as be in contact even by radio signals, let alone that they could physically travel here.
Plenty of things are possible. if you think that's enough of a reason to accept something, that explains an awful lot.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Vauxhall on March 13, 2015, 05:40:15 PM
The only thing stopping aliens from visiting us, from our human understanding, is the seemingly impossibility of faster than light travel. Theoretically, wormholes and the like can be used to counter this restriction. The universe is a wondrous place, and traveling through it is not necessarily prohibited by the laws of physics. Just because we do not have the technology doesn't mean other civilizations don't as well. It is silly and egotistical to think that we figured out physics completely. We are only restricted by our limited understanding.

I am willing to bet that there is a spaceship traveling close to the speed of light out there right now. The probability that I'm wrong is about 1%.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 07:50:48 PM
I've always found the Intelligent Design advocates to be as brittle on their end as the radical atheists are on theirs. As I've said on these fora before, I am not a scientist, and neither is the Bible a science book.

Someone asked why a New World monkey was placed here, and an Old World monkey was placed there. Well, because. The two can't mate and have babies, to my knowledge, can they? Then again, there is a species of Old World monkey that eats or is eaten by the chimpanzee (I forget which, but its damn brutal to watch them fight and see the winner have supper, I've seen footage of it).

Somewhere, there has to be a place where Genesis and science meet, even if that means that the first part of Genesis is literally true, metaphorically true, mythologically trying to make a point, or some other some such explanation of shit. I don't pretend to have all the answers. I do believe that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. That coincides with all our scientific exploration of the planet. The Universe appears to be 13.8 billion years old. That also corresponds to the data we have based on our scientific exploration of the Universe.

Human beings were made in the image and likeness of G-d. Male and female created he them. That does not imply that he is a hermaphrodite. In fact, it is a teaching of our faith that he doesn't have body, parts, or passions. If he did, he would be basically a super-us, like Zeus or Thor or something. That would just be weird.

I shall admit: Christians have a problem. Since Jesus is a manifestation of the deity to them, and he believed literally in Adam and Eve, the Flood, etc, etc, if a conservative Christian does not believe in those things, then he is going against the beliefs of Jesus, who in his mind is the manifestation of his deity.

For a Jew, we do not have that problem. The fact that earlier Jews believed in the literal truth of the first 11 chapters of Genesis doesn't mean that increased knowledge can't give us different ideas of how to view those chapters. We can do that without threat to our Faith, because we don't have a man whom we identify as the deity that believed literally in those things.

The Prophets of Israel did not teach science. They taught religious truths. The fact that Isaiah most likely believed in the literal truth of the first 11 chapters of Genesis doesn't effect our respect for him. We can still utilise his religious truths. He didn't teach anything  on the origins of the planet, at least not that I can recall. Ezekiel spoke of of a Heavenly Eden in the sense of Paradise. But one can talk of that without having to believe in the literal truth of Adam and Eve.

I don't know for certain where I go on the first 11 chapters of Genesis. Right now, I am inclined to think that they are in some sense literally true, and likely to be collated with science at some point. But if I am wrong in that (and I concede that I might be), it won't bother me any.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 08:26:15 PM
yr not "a jew";
the jews are Christians.....
yr an ANTI-christ....a spirit of anti-Christ;
"judaism" is a reactionary, non-religion;
it has NO covenant with Almighty God.....that was cancelled when you rejected Christ!
the NEW covenant is with Christians!
https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget (https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget)

get lost, "jew" !  >:(

(hvn't you got some "shekels" that need counting...how much have you falsely extorted today with yr Holocaust fairy tale, eh?)
Title: codes within codes.....the gob-smacking complexity of the cell!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 08:35:59 PM
a code implies an Intelligent Designer because information can't be produced w/out One.....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150312173800.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150312173800.htm)
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: mikeman7918 on March 13, 2015, 08:48:45 PM
I should note that not all Christians have the same views as st james, and I as a Christian disagree with just about everything he says.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 08:53:23 PM
St. James's remarks have been reported to the moderation team for Anti-Semitism and Jew-hatred. Take your attitude up with them.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 08:54:27 PM
I should note that not all Christians have the same views as st james, and I as a Christian disagree with just about everything he says.

I am aware of that, MIKEMAN, but thank you for having the courage to say it.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 08:56:58 PM
yr not "a jew";
the jews are Christians.....
yr an ANTI-christ....a spirit of anti-Christ;
"judaism" is a reactionary, non-religion;
it has NO covenant with Almighty God.....that was cancelled when you rejected Christ!
the NEW covenant is with Christians!
https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget (https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget)

get lost, "jew" !  >:(

(hvn't you got some "shekels" that need counting...how much have you falsely extorted today with yr Holocaust fairy tale, eh?)


Reported to the moderation team for Anti-Semitism and Jew-hatred. Take your attitude up with them.

k.....do yr worst.....jew-boy!
they've already 'banned' me once.....
maybe i'll report YOU for loxism (gentile hatred).....
that way....we'll both be banned together  ::)
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 08:58:43 PM
Reported again.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 08:59:26 PM
I should note that not all Christians have the same views as st james, and I as a Christian disagree with just about everything he says.

I am aware of that, MIKEMAN, but thank you for having the courage to say it.

why don't you tell this deluded xtian, "MikeMan", what jews really think of them, eh, jew-boy?   :-X

yr an ANTI-CHRIST!
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:00:52 PM
Reported again.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:00:59 PM
Reported again.

why don't you report me to that bunch of jew gangsters and con-artists, the ADL, while yr @ it, eh, Hymie?   ;D
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
Same, reported. Hopefully this time it'll be a perma IP ban.

Bye St. James.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:06:12 PM
Shouldn't be too hard. They tolerate a lot here. Much more than the other site. But they don't tolerate assaults on whole groups of people very well.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:06:27 PM
Same, reported. Hopefully this time it'll be a perma IP ban.

Bye St. James.

why don't you convert to judaism...'cos that's all you are.....a crypto-jew
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:07:55 PM
Shouldn't be too hard. They tolerate a lot here. Much more than the other site. But they don't tolerate assaults on whole groups of people very well.

"people"?
according to David Icke....yr actually reptiles!
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:11:16 PM
The worst part is the idiot still can't prove Intelligent Design to be correct.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:13:43 PM
The best part is that if Jesus popped in and saw him calling people "jew boys" I think he would cast the first stone.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:14:16 PM
Shouldn't be too hard. They tolerate a lot here. Much more than the other site. But they don't tolerate assaults on whole groups of people very well.

here's a verse just for you.....

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.  Gospel according to St John;

guess who said that?

G-D!

BTW: yr not "a son of Abraham" either......if you were....you'd believe Moses and the prophets and, there-fore, Jesus Christ....

yr "rightful place" is in the Lake of Fire, Mr Jew-boy!

Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:14:51 PM
Since Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, I'm inclined to agree with that statement, yes.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: mikeman7918 on March 13, 2015, 09:15:40 PM
I should note that not all Christians have the same views as st james, and I as a Christian disagree with just about everything he says.

I am aware of that, MIKEMAN, but thank you for having the courage to say it.

why don't you tell this deluded xtian, "MikeMan", what jews really think of them, eh, jew-boy?   :-X

yr an ANTI-CHRIST!


You think I am an anti-Christ that believes in Christ?  Seriously?  I just disagree with all that you are all sinners who are going to hell stuff.  I am a Mormon and we have slightly different views then other Christians, and one of our views is that other religions do not consist of evil people who are out to destroy Christianity and for that matter we don't even believe that other religions are 100% wrong but contain at least some truth, including the Jews.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:16:23 PM
http://jesusisajew.org/Jesus_is_a_Jew.php (http://jesusisajew.org/Jesus_is_a_Jew.php)
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:17:27 PM
LEMMIWINKS, your a bright man. And I'm not ignoring you now, by the way. MIKE, you're a good man.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:18:41 PM
The worst part is the idiot still can't prove Intelligent Design to be correct.

yr the "idiot";

its been proved over and over again......by much cleverer men than you suppose yr-self to be!

but....yr doing the work of the jew...which is to turn people away from the light of the Gospel!.....

yr like the false jewish magician on the Isle of Cyprus who opposed the Gospel;

its in the Book of Acts.....have a read and see what happened to him, eh?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:19:58 PM
Actually, I've read the so-called "NT" twice. I probably know more about it then you do. Hang on a minute. I need to report you again.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:22:21 PM
MIKE and LEMMI, I encourage you to report every comment he makes, pretty much. It will get him permabanned.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:23:41 PM
MIKE and LEMMI, I encourage you to report every comment he makes, pretty much. It will get him permabanned.

Pretty much what I am doing, well every one towards me so I don't end up pissing the mods off in the process. :P

The longer they take the more rope we give him to hang himself for perma ban.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:26:02 PM
MIKE and LEMMI, I encourage you to report every comment he makes, pretty much. It will get him permabanned.

 what makes you think i care?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: mikeman7918 on March 13, 2015, 09:26:42 PM
yr "rightful place" is in the Lake of Fire, Mr Jew-boy!

Why does my religion have to be in the same category as yours...  I am almost ashamed to call myself a Christian knowing that people like you are out giving people ideas that all Christians are like you.  I have had to deal with this stereotype a lot, especially on the internet, and it's because of people like you that people are so suppressed that a logical science minded person like me can be a Christian and why many Christians convert to Atheists because they get the impression that Christianity is illogical.  I have done some missionary training stuff and so believe me when I say that the stereotypes created by people like you are a big obstacle.  All your threats of Hell are doing is making people not like you, please stop giving Christianity a bad name.

but....yr doing the work of the jew...which is to turn people away from the light of the Gospel!.....

I am pretty sure that you have done more to turn people away from the gospel then all atheists on this forum combined.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:28:04 PM
MIKE and LEMMI, I encourage you to report every comment he makes, pretty much. It will get him permabanned.

 what makes you think i care?

You keep responding.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Actually, I've read the so-called "NT" twice. I probably know more about it then you do. Hang on a minute. I need to report you again.

yr a LIAR!
like all jews!

if you had read the NT, then, you would have repented and renounced yr anti-christ 'religion'!

also....what have you got to say abt the highly respected ultra-Orthodox rabbi who confirmed that Jesus was the Messiah, eh? (http://www.ausdisciples.com.au/forum/showthread.php?711-revered-ultra-Orthodox-rabbi-reveals-Name-of-the-Messiah&p=2507#post2507)
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
Quote
you keep responding



i'v got some time to kill is all!   :(

if this "jew falsely so called" hadn't decided to inject his toxic drivel into the thread i started, then, i prblby wouldn't even have bothered returning here after my totally unjustified 'ban' of one month!

the best of British luck to you!

Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:36:20 PM
MIKE and LEMMI, I encourage you to report every comment he makes, pretty much. It will get him permabanned.

 what makes you think i care?

You keep responding.


i'v got some time to kill is all!

if this "jew falsely so called" hadn't decided to inject his toxic drivel into the thread i started, then, i prblby wouldn't even have bothered returning here after my totally unjustified 'ban' of one month!

the best of British luck to you!

I'm not British, I'm American.

What does Jew falsely so called mean?

Unjustified? Antisemitism is clearly part of the no racist ideology rule. It's really damned justified.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:40:23 PM
Quote
What does Jew falsely so called mean?

look it up in the Book of Revelation!

Quote
Unjustified? Antisemitism is clearly part of the no racist ideology rule. It's really damned justified.

yr wrong!
and...here's why!
jews don't consider them-selves a race or a religion.....
rather....they equivocate....when you say jews are a race, they deny it;
when you say jews are a religion, they deny that too!

do yr own research!
you've been BRAIN-washed by inappropriate and fallacious jew cultural memes!
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:42:24 PM
Ah, I love to watch some schmuck hang himself. Actually, we are an ethno-religious group. Like Latinos, we can come from any race. And it so happens that most of us profess the same religion, which is Judaism.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:44:49 PM
Quote
What does Jew falsely so called mean?

look it up in the Book of Revelation!

Quote
Unjustified? Antisemitism is clearly part of the no racist ideology rule. It's really damned justified.

yr wrong!
and...here's why!
jews don't consider them-selves a race or a religion.....
rather....they equivocate....when you say jews are a race, they deny it;
when you say jews are a religion, they deny that too!

do yr own research!
you've been BRAIN-washed by inappropriate and fallacious jew cultural memes!


They are an ethno-cultural and ethnoreligious group. Jew has the same amount of race meaning as American as both are a culture made of many ethnicities rather than an actual race of people.

As for the religious thing, I have no idea where you got that batshit insane idea.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
Quote
All your threats of Hell are doing is making people not like you, please stop giving Christianity a bad name.


my "threats of Hell" are mild indeed compared to what Jesus Christ said abt it....
please read the Gospels!
and...just for the record...i make no claim to be any-thing special.....
i'm just a vile sinner saved by the extreme grace of Almighty God;
"by grace are we saved!" not by 'works'

Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:48:25 PM
He is one batshit crazy bastard, I'll give him that.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:52:42 PM
 
Quote
They are an ethno-cultural and ethnoreligious group. Jew has the same amount of race meaning as American as both are a culture made of many ethnicities rather than an actual race of people.


not really!
they may 'masquerade' as such....but what they really are is a bunch of international criminal psychopaths and gangsters....

as such.....they have no real right to call them-selves either "a race" or "a religion" !

oh....and yr statement actually confirms what i said...

since "American" can mean any-thing....its not "racist" to belittle some-one for being "American";
"racist" would be to belittle some-one for being a black or an Asian/oriental, for instance!
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:53:46 PM
Quote
All your threats of Hell are doing is making people not like you, please stop giving Christianity a bad name.


my "threats of Hell" are mild indeed compared to what Jesus Christ said abt it....
please read the Gospels!
and...just for the record...i make no claim to be any-thing special.....
i'm just a vile sinner saved by the extreme grace of Almighty God;
"by grace are we saved!" not by 'works'



Love thy neighbor, judge not least ye be judged and cast ye the first stone who have not sinned all seemed to have escaped you when the grace of God saved you.

Maybe you should read the New Testament again.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 09:54:51 PM
Quote
They are an ethno-cultural and ethnoreligious group. Jew has the same amount of race meaning as American as both are a culture made of many ethnicities rather than an actual race of people.


not really!
they may 'masquerade' as such....but what they really are is a bunch of international criminal psychopaths and gangsters....

as such.....they have no real right to call them-selves either "a race" or "a religion" !

oh....and yr statement actually confirms what i said...

since "American" can mean any-thing....its not "racist" to belittle some-one for being "American";
"racist" would be to belittle some-one for being a black or an Asian/oriental, for instance!


Racism is a catch all. Jingoism also falls under the same title as hate speech. Racism and jingoism are covered by this forums rules.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:55:51 PM
Man, you are Batshit crazy. You need to be arrested. I don't think he ever read the New Testament. At least he did not comprehend it if he did.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
Ah, I love to watch some schmuck hang himself. Actually, we are an ethno-religious group. Like Latinos, we can come from any race. And it so happens that most of us profess the same religion, which is Judaism.

really?
perhaps you'd care to explain to the goyim here then how come you CANNOT 'convert' to judaism;
the only way you can be a 'jew' is if yr mother was one!
is that true or false, jew-boy, eh?


Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 09:58:17 PM
Actually, I know several converts to Judaism. In so doing, they also join the People. And by so doing, they gain the Right of Return, that is, the right under the laws of the State of Israel to live there as citizens. You really are as stupid as you look. Hang on a minute. I need to report you again.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:00:29 PM
Orthodox Judaism recognises Jews who were born to Jewish mothers or who converted halachically (according to Jewish Law), as does Conservative Judaism. Reform Judaism recognises Jews born to Jewish fathers or who were converted non-halachically as well.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 10:00:46 PM

how much have you falsely extorted today with yr Holocaust fairy tale, eh?)


Have you always been a nazi or did you become one when you got "saved"?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 10:02:01 PM
Quote
Love thy neighbor, judge not least ye be judged and cast ye the first stone who have not sinned all seemed to have escaped you when the grace of God saved you.

i'm not casting any stones;
i'm not 'judging';
i'm just telling the truth as i see it;
"loving your neighbour" has nothing to do with pointing out and exposing evil and wrong-doing!
 


Quote
Maybe you should read the New Testament again
maybe you should!
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 10:03:01 PM
Quote
Love thy neighbor, judge not least ye be judged and cast ye the first stone who have not sinned all seemed to have escaped you when the grace of God saved you.

i'm not casting any stones;
i'm not 'judging';
i'm just telling the truth as i see it;
"loving your neighbour" has nothing to do with pointing out and exposing evil and wrong-doing!
 


Quote
Maybe you should read the New Testament again
maybe you should!

Pointing out and exposing evil is judgement.

False argument is false.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 10:04:22 PM

how much have you falsely extorted today with yr Holocaust fairy tale, eh?)


Have you always been a nazi or did you become one when you got "saved"?

were you born a gullible fool or did you just 'acquire' that trait from watching too much HymieWood and Televitz, eh?  ???
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:05:41 PM
I think I've reported about 15 posts by now.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 10:06:42 PM
Orthodox Judaism recognises Jews who were born to Jewish mothers or who converted halachically (according to Jewish Law), as does Conservative Judaism. Reform Judaism recognises Jews born to Jewish fathers or who were converted non-halachically as well.

"reform judaism".....are such 'converts' even recognised in Israel?
(or by the majority of jews any-where?)
doesn't Orthodox Judaism "call the shots" there?
tell the TRUTH now!
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
I think I've reported about 15 posts by now.

so?
what do you want?
a medal......or.....a chest to pin it on, eh, jew-boy?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 13, 2015, 10:08:58 PM

how much have you falsely extorted today with yr Holocaust fairy tale, eh?)


Have you always been a nazi or did you become one when you got "saved"?

were you born a gullible fool or did you just 'acquire' that trait from watching too much HymieWood and Televitz, eh?  ???

What is HymieWoods and Televitz? So when did you become a nazi then?  ???
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 10:10:31 PM

how much have you falsely extorted today with yr Holocaust fairy tale, eh?)


Have you always been a nazi or did you become one when you got "saved"?

were you born a gullible fool or did you just 'acquire' that trait from watching too much HymieWood and Televitz, eh?  ???

What is HymieWoods and Televitz? So when did you become a nazi then?  ???

His attempt to be a creative racist.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 10:11:01 PM
You really are as stupid as you look

how would you know what i look like?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:11:42 PM
The State recognises it, yes. The Religious Establishment is a different matter. The two do not always agree. The State requires that Reform Jews be allowed to be recognised as Jews. The Orthodox Establishment is not so inclined. At present, religious life is governed by the Establishment, so a Reform Jew can live in Israel, but it can be a little difficult to function in terms of life passage events, and things like that. It is expected, however, that things will eventually change, and the Orthodox will have to give up their stranglehold on the Establishment.

I am Orthodox myself. However, I am in favour of the non-Orthodox having something to say in the Establishment in Israel. But I don't live there, nor do I ever intend to, so its not really relevant one way or the other for me. Hang on, I have to report you again.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 10:12:57 PM

What is HymieWoods and Televitz? So when did you become a nazi then?  ???

uh....dontjaknow that the jews run Hollywood and the entire main-stream media network?

are you really that ill-informed?

so....when did you stop beating yr wife then, eh?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 10:14:18 PM

What is HymieWoods and Televitz? So when did you become a nazi then?  ???

uh....dontjaknow that the jews run Hollywood and the entire main-stream media network?

are you really that ill-informed?

so....when did you stop beating yr wife then, eh?


Oh good, making jokes about spousal abuse now too.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:14:55 PM
I assume that someone who writes so poorly in the English language must look as stupid as they write.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 10:18:38 PM
Hang on, I have to report you again.

be my guest, jew-boy!
don't you go getting RSI now!  ;D
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 13, 2015, 10:20:31 PM
I assume that someone who writes so poorly in the English language must look as stupid as they write.

"assume" what-so-ever you like, MrGoldbergShekelStein.....

'course.....yr using one of the three fav' tactics of the jews to shut down those who try to expose them....right?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: mikeman7918 on March 13, 2015, 10:21:01 PM
my "threats of Hell" are mild indeed compared to what Jesus Christ said abt it....
please read the Gospels!
and...just for the record...i make no claim to be any-thing special.....
i'm just a vile sinner saved by the extreme grace of Almighty God;
"by grace are we saved!" not by 'works'



Yeah, by grace we are saved.  This means that God doesn't cast people into hell whenever they wipe their nose wrong.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 10:24:28 PM
Aw I'll delete it too then.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:25:50 PM
Indeed. I decided to delete it, as unworthy of me, but it was funny.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:27:34 PM
I think, JAMES, that you are probably a very frustrated, closeted homosexual. You know, you can come out of the closet. Its ok to admit those feelings. We will support you. I know some good support groups. I mean, look, I don't like to play "Hide the Sausage", but I understand that perhaps you do, and if you need to come to terms with that, there are groups that help you. Perhaps that is what you need, JAMES. To admit those tendencies, and release your frustrations.  :o :o :o

Reposted after all.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 10:30:28 PM
Can't tease me so!
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:32:27 PM
Can't tease me so!

Sorry, LEMMI. Didn't mean to. I liked your comment, though. Do repost it for us.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:40:40 PM
Did James just get the ban?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 10:41:55 PM
I'm just saying his repressed homosexual tendencies and hatred of Jews are probably rooted in a nice jewish boy rejecting his advances. :p
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:45:38 PM
Oh, yes. I expect you're right. Some young man who didn't want to play "Hide the Sausage" probably had to reject his urges, and well, the rest is history.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 10:48:55 PM
Did James just get the ban?

Nah. Usually the mods or at least pongo will go in and sanitize his racism as part of it. I think he just got tired of being made to look bad.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
So, tell me about this schmuck. Why did he get banned last time? Why does he hate Jews? Why is he an all around general asshole?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 13, 2015, 10:59:31 PM
So, tell me about this schmuck. Why did he get banned last time? Why does he hate Jews? Why is he an all around general asshole?

Holocaust denial started it, then hair turned into blanket statements that the nazis were doing gods work. Which isn't really congruous since, you know, he thinks the holocaust is fake.

Also the slurs. The mods take a very dim view on racism.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 11:02:12 PM
I see. Well, I expect after seeing 25 posts reported between the two of us, they will probably ban him again, so we won't have to worry about him much.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Mikey T. on March 13, 2015, 11:06:20 PM
Well I stumbled onto this thread just now, added my own report on one of his posts.  I guess he has been banned, or fell asleep.  Its hard work being so full of hatred.  Sorry you have to deal with some of the more ignorant people who also claim to be Christians there man.
Too many people like to read the bible too literally and completely miss the message.  Hate is not the way to paradise, rather an express ticket the other direction.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 13, 2015, 11:07:29 PM
Thank you, MIKEY. I appreciate your kindness.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 14, 2015, 04:04:12 AM
I missed St James' return. Can't say I'm disappointed.

A rabbi once asked his old friend, a priest, "Could you ever be promoted within your Church?"
The priest says, thoughtfully, "Well, I could become a bishop."
The rabbi persists, "And after that?"
With a pause for consideration, the priest replies, "Maybe I could be a cardinal, even."
"And then?"
After thinking for some time, the priest responds, "Someday I may even rise to be the Pope."
But the rabbi is still not satisfied. "And then?"
With an air of incredulity, the priest cries, "What more could I become? God Himself?"
The rabbi says quietly, "One of our boys made it."
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 14, 2015, 04:38:43 AM
my "threats of Hell" are mild indeed compared to what Jesus Christ said abt it....
please read the Gospels!
and...just for the record...i make no claim to be any-thing special.....
i'm just a vile sinner saved by the extreme grace of Almighty God;
"by grace are we saved!" not by 'works'



Yeah, by grace we are saved.  This means that God doesn't cast people into hell whenever they wipe their nose wrong.

go read the Bible, you fool!
uh....i don't think yr any more a Christian than that anti-Christ jew is!
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 14, 2015, 04:44:47 AM
I think, JAMES, that you are probably a very frustrated, closeted homosexual. You know, you can come out of the closet. Its ok to admit those feelings. We will support you. I know some good support groups. I mean, look, I don't like to play "Hide the Sausage", but I understand that perhaps you do, and if you need to come to terms with that, there are groups that help you. Perhaps that is what you need, JAMES. To admit those tendencies, and release your frustrations.  :o :o :o

Reposted after all.


(its 50/50 whether or not they'll ban me.......they seemed a bit reluctant to do it last time...this time....they might not give a stuff)

so...i think you're the one who better leave, you filthy devil!

or.....do you want me to start telling these people here what jews are REALLY like?

if they knew that, they'd hang, draw and quarter you!
(don't expect them to show you any "compassion" either because, AFAIK, none of them are Christians)

you've been warned, you filthy, psychopathic gangster and baby butcher....leave now while you still got a chance.....


Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 14, 2015, 04:51:36 AM
  he thinks the holocaust is fake

it IS fake, you gullible fool!

sheesh!

you know....i'm really surprised that, 70yrs after the end of WWII, there is any sane person who believes this fractured fairy tale!

"look up" the Zundel Trial on You-Tube and watch "the Holocaust" get a right, royal pasting!


Quote
Also the slurs. The mods take a very dim view on racism.

except that it wasn't "racism";
because jews ain't "a race";
they're an international cabal of psychopathic gangsters!
oh...BTW...i can prove that too!
so....that exonerates me from the accusation of 'racism' !
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 14, 2015, 04:56:53 AM
st james, if you make one more hate filled statement about any religious group, or another inflammatory statement about an individual, you will be banned for a long time.  I sent you an official warning.  Tone it down right now. 
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: st james on March 14, 2015, 05:16:35 AM
duly noted.....
you must, of course, do what you think is best.....
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 14, 2015, 05:22:56 AM
Well, this is interesting. So, how is everybody this morning?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Slemon on March 14, 2015, 05:28:09 AM
Well, this is interesting. So, how is everybody this morning?

I'm good. How about you?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 14, 2015, 05:32:51 AM
I am well enough. Just have a few minutes before Sabbath services.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 14, 2015, 05:44:07 AM
Quote
do you want me to start telling these people here what jews are REALLY like?

if they knew that, they'd hang, draw and quarter you!

I wonder HOW we are supposed to do that to you.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 14, 2015, 05:48:01 AM
That is a very good question. Reach through the computer screen and... well, James is not known for his logic.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Pongo on March 14, 2015, 05:55:33 AM
yr not "a jew";
the jews are Christians.....
yr an ANTI-christ....a spirit of anti-Christ;
"judaism" is a reactionary, non-religion;
it has NO covenant with Almighty God.....that was cancelled when you rejected Christ!
the NEW covenant is with Christians!
https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget (https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget)

get lost, "jew" !  >:(

(hvn't you got some "shekels" that need counting...how much have you falsely extorted today with yr Holocaust fairy tale, eh?)


90 days as per forum rules.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 14, 2015, 06:12:18 AM
'Bye-'Bye, James.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Misero on March 14, 2015, 07:47:35 AM
Yay. I want him to do it again so he never comes back, though.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Rama Set on March 14, 2015, 09:49:15 AM
yr not "a jew";
the jews are Christians.....
yr an ANTI-christ....a spirit of anti-Christ;
"judaism" is a reactionary, non-religion;
it has NO covenant with Almighty God.....that was cancelled when you rejected Christ!
the NEW covenant is with Christians!
https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget (https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget)

get lost, "jew" !  >:(

(hvn't you got some "shekels" that need counting...how much have you falsely extorted today with yr Holocaust fairy tale, eh?)


90 days as per forum rules.
Inb4DinosaurNeilcomplainsaboutunevenappicationoftherules
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 14, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
MISERO, I am inclined to agree. He probably will in about 95 days.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 14, 2015, 10:34:18 AM
Well, Yaakov, have you learned anything about Palestinians and their right to live where they are born?  :-*
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Weatherwax on March 14, 2015, 11:00:02 AM
Isn't it ironic how Christians behave less like Jesus than anyone.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: mikeman7918 on March 14, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
go read the Bible, you fool!
uh....i don't think yr any more a Christian than that anti-Christ jew is!


If that's the case then why are you the one trying to insult me?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 14, 2015, 11:46:31 AM
He's dead now. Let him rest in peace. He will resurrect in 90 days anyway.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Mikey T. on March 14, 2015, 11:50:04 AM
Not ALL Christians believe or behave that way.  This is an great example of a mildly extremists Christian as there are far far worse than he is.  He is still a hateful dick though.  Christianity is supposed to be a religion of compassion, Jesus showed compassion and we are supposed to follow his example.  Yes we are supposed to preach to those who would listen but we are NOT to force our religion on those who would not nor are we supposed the hate them or judge them.  They are still our brothers and sisters.  The big problem I see with the Christian groups that get themselves in the news today is that they have forgotten that part and they think they are better than those of other religions.  It is truly upsetting to see someone trying to use Jesus and the bible to attack others.  It isn't our place to judge.  Before someone mentions wars in the bible, know that the wars in question are in a part of the bible that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all share.  Plus I do not believe the bible should be as literally taken as many religious people do.  I believe that it is a guidebook, inspired by GOD but written by imperfect humans.  We have free will which means God does not control our thoughts and movements.  So even though we can say inspired by God, humans of the times when it was first preached, then written, then translated many times always add their own feelings and interpretations into it.  There are people who like to say God said the bible was his book and he would not allow it to be corrupted, but where does God say this?  In that bible, written by man.  Or maybe I'm just not a good Christian, if hate filled crap like what I saw out of st james is what it truly means to be a Christian, I do not want to be a part of it.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 14, 2015, 12:12:18 PM
Not ALL Christians believe or behave that way.  This is an great example of a mildly extremists Christian as there are far far worse than he is.  He is still a hateful dick though.  Christianity is supposed to be a religion of compassion, Jesus showed compassion and we are supposed to follow his example.  Yes we are supposed to preach to those who would listen but we are NOT to force our religion on those who would not nor are we supposed the hate them or judge them.  They are still our brothers and sisters.  The big problem I see with the Christian groups that get themselves in the news today is that they have forgotten that part and they think they are better than those of other religions.  It is truly upsetting to see someone trying to use Jesus and the bible to attack others.  It isn't our place to judge.  Before someone mentions wars in the bible, know that the wars in question are in a part of the bible that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all share.  Plus I do not believe the bible should be as literally taken as many religious people do.  I believe that it is a guidebook, inspired by GOD but written by imperfect humans.  We have free will which means God does not control our thoughts and movements.  So even though we can say inspired by God, humans of the times when it was first preached, then written, then translated many times always add their own feelings and interpretations into it.  There are people who like to say God said the bible was his book and he would not allow it to be corrupted, but where does God say this?  In that bible, written by man.  Or maybe I'm just not a good Christian, if hate filled crap like what I saw out of st james is what it truly means to be a Christian, I do not want to be a part of it.

Let me tell you this, when tribal people ("pagans") in Sarawak, Malaysia (my country) hold a ceremony there are always Christian priests coming in (mostly protestants), who tell them that their beliefs are bullshit. Since there is a lot of money supporting Christian mission - while pagans are poor - they just can do nothing against them. That is like at every Christian mess there would be a mullah to tell the audience how ridiculous their religion is. I hate missionaries. They are fucking shit.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: mikeman7918 on March 14, 2015, 12:21:17 PM
Let me tell you this, when tribal people ("pagans") in Sarawak, Malaysia (my country) hold a ceremony there are always Christian priests coming in (mostly protestants), who tell them that their beliefs are bullshit. Since there is a lot of money supporting Christian mission - while pagans are poor - they just can do nothing against them. That is like at every Christian mess there would be a mullah to tell the audience how ridiculous their religion is. I hate missionaries. They are fucking shit.

Just so you know, Mormon missionaries are not like that, and I should know considering how much missionary training I have been through and how we are told not to bash other people's beliefs.  If a Mormon missionary behaved like st james then he/she would be sent home pretty quickly.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 14, 2015, 12:37:23 PM
Let me tell you this, when tribal people ("pagans") in Sarawak, Malaysia (my country) hold a ceremony there are always Christian priests coming in (mostly protestants), who tell them that their beliefs are bullshit. Since there is a lot of money supporting Christian mission - while pagans are poor - they just can do nothing against them. That is like at every Christian mess there would be a mullah to tell the audience how ridiculous their religion is. I hate missionaries. They are fucking shit.

Just so you know, Mormon missionaries are not like that, and I should know considering how much missionary training I have been through and how we are told not to bash other people's beliefs.  If a Mormon missionary behaved like st james then he/she would be sent home pretty quickly.

Well, I never understood why there must be missionaries at all. By the way, my grandparents are pagans, my parents Catholics, my wife is a Chinese Buddhist and I'm a Westernized nerd who studied in Australia and likes Black Metal.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Mikey T. on March 14, 2015, 12:51:42 PM
Let me tell you this, when tribal people ("pagans") in Sarawak, Malaysia (my country) hold a ceremony there are always Christian priests coming in (mostly protestants), who tell them that their beliefs are bullshit. Since there is a lot of money supporting Christian mission - while pagans are poor - they just can do nothing against them. That is like at every Christian mess there would be a mullah to tell the audience how ridiculous their religion is. I hate missionaries. They are fucking shit.

Just so you know, Mormon missionaries are not like that, and I should know considering how much missionary training I have been through and how we are told not to bash other people's beliefs.  If a Mormon missionary behaved like st james then he/she would be sent home pretty quickly.

Well, I never understood why there must be missionaries at all. By the way, my grandparents are pagans, my parents Catholics, my wife is a Chinese Buddhist and I'm a Westernized nerd who studied in Australia and likes Black Metal.
I guess what I meant to say is that yes the Bible says we are supposed to preach the word, too many people think that means to preach it forcefully.  If you want to know about Jesus, I will tell you, if you do not, I will not.  You are a person, you have a right to believe what you want.  It is as simple as that, I wish more people thought that way.  Forcing a belief on someone is not what God intended.  God requests faith, faith is something that you must come to on your own.  You cannot force faith on someone.  The people who do that simply do not understand what it means to be faithful.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: FalseProphet on March 14, 2015, 01:01:06 PM
Let me tell you this, when tribal people ("pagans") in Sarawak, Malaysia (my country) hold a ceremony there are always Christian priests coming in (mostly protestants), who tell them that their beliefs are bullshit. Since there is a lot of money supporting Christian mission - while pagans are poor - they just can do nothing against them. That is like at every Christian mess there would be a mullah to tell the audience how ridiculous their religion is. I hate missionaries. They are fucking shit.

Just so you know, Mormon missionaries are not like that, and I should know considering how much missionary training I have been through and how we are told not to bash other people's beliefs.  If a Mormon missionary behaved like st james then he/she would be sent home pretty quickly.

Well, I never understood why there must be missionaries at all. By the way, my grandparents are pagans, my parents Catholics, my wife is a Chinese Buddhist and I'm a Westernized nerd who studied in Australia and likes Black Metal.
I guess what I meant to say is that yes the Bible says we are supposed to preach the word, too many people think that means to preach it forcefully.  If you want to know about Jesus, I will tell you, if you do not, I will not.  You are a person, you have a right to believe what you want.  It is as simple as that, I wish more people thought that way.  Forcing a belief on someone is not what God intended.  God requests faith, faith is something that you must come to on your own.  You cannot force faith on someone.  The people who do that simply do not understand what it means to be faithful.

Why not just help people who are in trouble and don't preach anything? Isn't that an option?
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: mikeman7918 on March 14, 2015, 01:08:02 PM
Why not just help people who are in trouble and don't preach anything? Isn't that an option?

Mormon missionaries do that a lot.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Mikey T. on March 14, 2015, 01:08:55 PM
Let me tell you this, when tribal people ("pagans") in Sarawak, Malaysia (my country) hold a ceremony there are always Christian priests coming in (mostly protestants), who tell them that their beliefs are bullshit. Since there is a lot of money supporting Christian mission - while pagans are poor - they just can do nothing against them. That is like at every Christian mess there would be a mullah to tell the audience how ridiculous their religion is. I hate missionaries. They are fucking shit.

Just so you know, Mormon missionaries are not like that, and I should know considering how much missionary training I have been through and how we are told not to bash other people's beliefs.  If a Mormon missionary behaved like st james then he/she would be sent home pretty quickly.

Well, I never understood why there must be missionaries at all. By the way, my grandparents are pagans, my parents Catholics, my wife is a Chinese Buddhist and I'm a Westernized nerd who studied in Australia and likes Black Metal.
I guess what I meant to say is that yes the Bible says we are supposed to preach the word, too many people think that means to preach it forcefully.  If you want to know about Jesus, I will tell you, if you do not, I will not.  You are a person, you have a right to believe what you want.  It is as simple as that, I wish more people thought that way.  Forcing a belief on someone is not what God intended.  God requests faith, faith is something that you must come to on your own.  You cannot force faith on someone.  The people who do that simply do not understand what it means to be faithful.

Why not just help people who are in trouble and don't preach anything? Isn't that an option?
Yes, I agree completely.  I think Jesus would agree also.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 14, 2015, 01:21:47 PM
Well, Yaakov, have you learned anything about Palestinians and their right to live where they are born?  :-*

I am not going there with you at all. Let's keep this friendly while we still can.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Lemmiwinks on March 14, 2015, 08:26:07 PM
Set your alarms. June 14th ish.
Title: Re: "evolutionists" get chewed up and SPAT out by Intelligent Design heavy-weghts!
Post by: Yaakov ben Avraham on March 14, 2015, 09:56:44 PM
Yes. And then I'll set my clock for about five days after that.