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Title: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 03:32:49 AM
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Hello everyone my name is Dedra but i go by Naomi everyone i know call's me by my middle name i would love it if you all did the same <3.
i'm 35 i lost faith in god's 4 years ago simply by reading the bible and concluding the storys are bullshit lol (besides the point sorry )
and during the time i kept finding out more stuff that is in the bible that i never knew as a christian i barley read that thing untill age 32 smh,
so yes i'm sure you all know that i stumbled on to the earth being a flat circle I laughed my ass off and said that's the nail in the coffin ! the bible is bullshit and so are gods .
How i became to think it really was flat is I saw  videos saying the earth is flat it got me thinking

1. How come we are moving super fast but no space video if it really is video shows the high ass speeds!
2.Other planets do not spin !
3.places on earth look just like the moon (i knew this as a kid lol it always looked fake to me.
And 4. WHY DON'T THEY ALLOW EVERYONE TO GO OUT OF SPACE! they made ships it can't be that hard to have Disney like trips to outer space .
5.Yes you are all right "WHERE IS THIS SAID EARTH CURVE AT ,I NEVER SEEN IT CURVE IT ALWAYS LOOKS WAITE FOR IT...........................FLAT!
bam! i'm a believer .
well not 100% yet , i still think it's a tad nutty (i'm very sorry) because who really knows besides the space center if that is real or not.
 i find myself being confused but open to learning as much as i can and finding out the truth .
If this place we live on is flat then so be it and that do not prove to me any god's  are real ,the bible writers stole so much from pagan and old storys from others like (Noah,Adam and Eve, Jesus back story and so on .
they just stole this flat Earth idea  or added it to the bible because everyone during they time believed it Who knows!.
so that's it in a nut shell .
It would be very cool to see information and links from everyone .
I'm here to learn so teach me ;D 8)
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 23, 2015, 03:44:27 AM
Hi, Naomi and welcome to the forum.  Do you have any questions for flat Earthers?  If not, I will move this to FE General where the round Earths can discuss some of the points that you have made.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 03:55:51 AM
 :) The only question i have is do anyone have websites or youtube video showing more proof of the earth being flat ? i just want hard hitting evidence .
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: guv on January 23, 2015, 04:03:33 AM
Here's a book mate.

https://archive.org/stream/zeteticastronom00rowbgoog#page/n4/mode/2up
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 04:05:52 AM
Thanks mate .  :)
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 23, 2015, 04:23:16 AM
Here is a short video.

Flat Earth Facts They Hide From You (http://#ws)
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 04:31:58 AM
HAHAHA !
I love how i shut that person down in my og post before reading this part of the book.  ::) I'll never go back to beliving in god's. https://archive.org/stream/zeteticastronom00rowbgoog#page/n221/mode/1up
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: hoppy on January 23, 2015, 05:14:23 AM
This book has lots of information.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/ (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/)
The man that wrote it believed in God, but don't let that deter you.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Slemon on January 23, 2015, 05:29:27 AM
1. How come we are moving super fast but no space video if it really is video shows the high ass speeds!
Couple of notes here. First, the Earth is moving incredibly quickly, but the Earth is also huge. As far as, say, rotation goes, it's hard to notice from outside the Earth as to observe it you'd be at a great distance, and even something that could cross miles in a split-second would take a while before you noticed it.
Secondly is inertia. If you throw something out of a car, it isn't immediately stationary: it still has the speed of the car. Similarly, throw something out of the Earth's atmosphere, it still has the velocity of the Earth.
Thirdly, is orbit. If you're in orbit of the Earth, you're essentially falling towards it: but as the Earth moves, you have to fall in a different direction. Orbit has been referred to as 'perpetual falling'. You keep the velocity of the Earth.
Frames of reference are used mathematically: a good analogy is to think of a train. If you're running through a train carriage, it might feel like you're running at your normal speed: but to an observer outside the train, you're moving at the speed of the train plus your running speed. So, while the speeds involved on a cosmic scale are huge, while they apply to you, you hardly notice.

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2.Other planets do not spin !
Yes they do.
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3.places on earth look just like the moon (i knew this as a kid lol it always looked fake to me.
Similar, yes: there are only a set few natural processes that can occur. I've been to Sicily and the rocky formations resulting from a volcanic eruptions resemble the moon: the tour guide even said Buzz Aldrin once went on the tour, and agreed with her.
Aside from how hard it would be to fake such a landing and actually keep it secret (especially when many such places are tourist traps), there are also historical problems. the space race started when there was absurd tension between the US and Russia, and they each tried to one-up the other: and yet, not once did they ever try to make the argument that the other had faked a moon-landing, or faked space travel. Either they were secretly allies (in which case they wasted a hell of a lot of money on the cold war), or they admitted there was too much evidence to accuse their enemies of faking it.
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And 4. WHY DON'T THEY ALLOW EVERYONE TO GO OUT OF SPACE! they made ships it can't be that hard to have Disney like trips to outer space .
Because it's absurdly expensive to do. Space tourism has started, just google it, it's just very expensive because of all the fuel and technology required. Why don't they let everyone go to the bottom of the Mariana Trench? Is it because it doesn't exist, or because it's very expensive, and very unsafe to do?
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5.Yes you are all right "WHERE IS THIS SAID EARTH CURVE AT ,I NEVER SEEN IT CURVE IT ALWAYS LOOKS WAITE FOR IT...........................FLAT!
Perspective. Zoom in far enough on any circle you'll find it looks like a straight line. The Earth is huge. There are high-altitude pictures which show the curvature, and the only way FET explains these is with some absurdity like 'bendy light'.
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If this place we live on is flat then so be it and that do not prove to me any god's  are real ,the bible writers stole so much from pagan and old storys from others like (Noah,Adam and Eve, Jesus back story and so on .
I'd have to disagree here. FET requires so much, it would be nigh-impossible for natural causes to create it. They need 'universal acceleration' in place of gravity, a unidirectional force pushing everything in one direction, the Sun and moon travelling in an undefined, immaterial substance aether which somehow takes on the characteristics and movement of a whirlpool, a Sun that somehow only allows light down in one direction: and then all of this practically unique from what we can see of the universe... It needs a creator to come into being, there's simply no other way for the FET model to exist.

Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 05:37:27 AM
Here is a short video.

Flat Earth Facts They Hide From You (http://#ws)
I started eating organic foods like a month ago after reading about gmo and news being fake and so on is true he makes some true statements. I'm subscribing to the channel.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 23, 2015, 05:40:46 AM
BiJane, this is not a debate forum.  If you do not have a question or answer about the Flat Earth, then please refrain from posting here.  Thanks.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 05:52:52 AM
1. How come we are moving super fast but no space video if it really is video shows the high ass speeds!
Couple of notes here. First, the Earth is moving incredibly quickly, but the Earth is also huge. As far as, say, rotation goes, it's hard to notice from outside the Earth as to observe it you'd be at a great distance, and even something that could cross miles in a split-second would take a while before you noticed it.
Secondly is inertia. If you throw something out of a car, it isn't immediately stationary: it still has the speed of the car. Similarly, throw something out of the Earth's atmosphere, it still has the velocity of the Earth.
Thirdly, is orbit. If you're in orbit of the Earth, you're essentially falling towards it: but as the Earth moves, you have to fall in a different direction. Orbit has been referred to as 'perpetual falling'. You keep the velocity of the Earth.
Frames of reference are used mathematically: a good analogy is to think of a train. If you're running through a train carriage, it might feel like you're running at your normal speed: but to an observer outside the train, you're moving at the speed of the train plus your running speed. So, while the speeds involved on a cosmic scale are huge, while they apply to you, you hardly notice.

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2.Other planets do not spin !
Yes they do.
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3.places on earth look just like the moon (i knew this as a kid lol it always looked fake to me.
Similar, yes: there are only a set few natural processes that can occur. I've been to Sicily and the rocky formations resulting from a volcanic eruptions resemble the moon: the tour guide even said Buzz Aldrin once went on the tour, and agreed with her.
Aside from how hard it would be to fake such a landing and actually keep it secret (especially when many such places are tourist traps), there are also historical problems. the space race started when there was absurd tension between the US and Russia, and they each tried to one-up the other: and yet, not once did they ever try to make the argument that the other had faked a moon-landing, or faked space travel. Either they were secretly allies (in which case they wasted a hell of a lot of money on the cold war), or they admitted there was too much evidence to accuse their enemies of faking it.
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And 4. WHY DON'T THEY ALLOW EVERYONE TO GO OUT OF SPACE! they made ships it can't be that hard to have Disney like trips to outer space .
Because it's absurdly expensive to do. Space tourism has started, just google it, it's just very expensive because of all the fuel and technology required. Why don't they let everyone go to the bottom of the Mariana Trench? Is it because it doesn't exist, or because it's very expensive, and very unsafe to do?
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5.Yes you are all right "WHERE IS THIS SAID EARTH CURVE AT ,I NEVER SEEN IT CURVE IT ALWAYS LOOKS WAITE FOR IT...........................FLAT!
Perspective. Zoom in far enough on any circle you'll find it looks like a straight line. The Earth is huge. There are high-altitude pictures which show the curvature, and the only way FET explains these is with some absurdity like 'bendy light'.
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If this place we live on is flat then so be it and that do not prove to me any god's  are real ,the bible writers stole so much from pagan and old storys from others like (Noah,Adam and Eve, Jesus back story and so on .
I'd have to disagree here. FET requires so much, it would be nigh-impossible for natural causes to create it. They need 'universal acceleration' in place of gravity, a unidirectional force pushing everything in one direction, the Sun and moon travelling in an undefined, immaterial substance aether which somehow takes on the characteristics and movement of a whirlpool, a Sun that somehow only allows light down in one direction: and then all of this practically unique from what we can see of the universe... It needs a creator to come into being, there's simply no other way for the FET model to exist.
I wAs told these things befor i still can't believe it ,sorry :/ not sorry.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 05:56:49 AM
This book has lots of information.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/ (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/)
The man that wrote it believed in God, but don't let that deter you.
ok, and the sheep walking in boots is trippy , i like it.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 07:49:53 AM
I'm not going to Judge everyone on that guy YouTube channel But that was a lil to crazy for me mI just want to focus on the Earth not get into lizard people he basically just edited videos of videos I saw befor that originally didn't look like that. And something about the sun collecting "souls"
IS that what FE'rs believe in ?
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Lemmiwinks on January 23, 2015, 08:04:30 AM
Well, not all of them.

Heiwa believes that the flat earth is balanced on the back of a giant turtle and it wobbling on his back causes tides.

Scepti believes that the Earth is covered with a giant ice dome.

iWitness believes that we are under a giant dome under a giant ocean and the sun is a couple hundred miles above the ground.

Pongo and jroa believe that there is a giant 40k mile plus wall around the entire flat earth

Vaux believes on the other side of that wall are giant turtles and whale ape yeti type creatures

jroa believes that NASA are a bunch of Satanists

quite a few believe that the ice wall is patrolled by giants that are called the ice wall guardians and kill all who approach.

I mean, if you want to believe the earth is flat thats your deal and more power to you, but these are the people you are associating with now. :P
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: mikeman7918 on January 23, 2015, 08:16:32 AM
Hello, I am a round earther who believs that the bible is true and the Earth is round.  Here are some answers from the questions you asked:

1: Velocity is relative, not absolute.  If you are driving 80 miles per hour on a freeway it will be just as correct to say that your car is stationary and the Earth is moving past you at 80 miles per hour.  How would you expect a video of Earth's velocity to look like anyway?

2: Other planets actually do spin, you can observe their rotation with a hobbyist telescope.

3: I don't believe that there are any places on Earth that look like the Moon because the Moon has craters of every size littering the ground and that does not happen on Earth.

4: Everyone is totally alowed to go into space, and space tourism is a growing industry.  The reason that it's not too common is because getting something into orbit costs about $10,000 per pound and most civilians can't afford it.  Most rockets are not reusable, and they sure as heck don't look cheap.

5: Earth looks flat from the surface because it is really REALLY REALLY REALLY BIG.  You can test this by spending hours driving a few hundred mies and then looking at how small all that distance looks in a world map.

I am actually organizing an experiment (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62666.0#.VMJygEZHbCQ) taking place tomorrow that will prove the shape of the Earth.  You should check it out.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Slemon on January 23, 2015, 08:54:45 AM
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If this place we live on is flat then so be it and that do not prove to me any god's  are real ,the bible writers stole so much from pagan and old storys from others like (Noah,Adam and Eve, Jesus back story and so on .
I'd have to disagree here. FET requires so much, it would be nigh-impossible for natural causes to create it. They need 'universal acceleration' in place of gravity, a unidirectional force pushing everything in one direction, the Sun and moon travelling in an undefined, immaterial substance aether which somehow takes on the characteristics and movement of a whirlpool, a Sun that somehow only allows light down in one direction: and then all of this practically unique from what we can see of the universe... It needs a creator to come into being, there's simply no other way for the FET model to exist.
Jroa wants FE facts, and this is one I think qualifies. I don't know if you read all the way through my post or skimmed it, but regardless, FET has many separate elements and inclusions: and as much as it's your choice whether or not to believe it, make your worldview internally consistent. Personally I'm not a believer, but I think I would be if I knew we lived on a world such as the one presented by FEers, simply due to the depth of fine-tuning and otherwise impossible creations.
There's a wall built vertically upwards around the rim of the Earth, to contain water and, to some, the whole atmosphere. Or perhaps there's a dome containing the atmosphere, and everything developed within said dome: all this smacks of design, and they're just hasty, standalone examples. There's no conceivable process that could develop this (and others), unless there was already some impressive framework in place. FET is simply not compatible with non-belief.

For another case, one FE explanation (for the phases of the moon) is that there are luminescent life forms that live on the moon, and react to sunlight: that is, life developed on the moon. While this is certainly possible, if the moon landings and photographs and satellites and telescopes etc etc were all faked, whichever way you cut it, it is incredibly unlikely. There'd need to be an ecosystem on the moon: and such things are, under RET and FET, incredibly rare, and complex. Life arising on just the Earth is impressive: on both the Earth and moon, (the flat Earth apparently being unique, to many FEers), two bodies already special, and adjacent... This is unlikely to the point of impossibility, unless designed. (To say nothing of how or why luminescent properties would develop).

Anyway, welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: The Reviewer on January 23, 2015, 09:33:36 AM
I am new to the existence of the flat earth society, learning only very recently. I personally have a firm belief that the world as we know it is round. Because of this of this I am hesitant to believe any points/"facts" that are put forward from the FE community.Whilst i will admit that some points the FE community put forward actually have some contextual value, I have difficulty in understanding many of the points admitted by the FE community.

Naomi, many of the "explanations" you have put forward seem like those that someone early in there life would say. For instance:
2.Other planets do not spin !
This is a very weak point and can be proven wrong in many aspects, there are likely hundreds of videos of planets spinning. If you believe they are fake and are just being plain stubborn then you can even go out buy a simple hobbyist telescope for £50, or $75 and find out for yourself.

Another point i would like to make not related to what you wrote would be about Felix Baumgartner the man who jumped from the edge of space. In the following video we can see that we he reaches the height of 128km. if you look you can see that the earth has a obvious curve, and if this is not enough to convinced look at where he is going to land from the module, you can obviously see that he would be no where near the Flat earths maps centre is in the arctic so he could not be in the centre of the earth so all directions seem parallel.

(http://)

A third point that can be made, would be to do with gravity. on a flat earth, how would gravity be formed. In labs all over the world it has been proven that the centre of mass has gravity no matter the size or force of it, stated as "the higher the centre of mass the stronger the force of gravity". So where on a flat earth would the gravity holding us down be formed from.

Yet another point, the magnetosphere stopping all of the deadly cosmic radiation from reaching us. In a flat earth how could such a magnetic force be created. in a rounded earth that spins a magnetosphere would make sense if a solid molten core spins counter to that of our daily spin going from east to west, rather than the daily west to east.

If you can answer all of these questions i may decide the beliefs of the FE theory may possibly be true. and may even join the belief of a FE.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: mikeman7918 on January 23, 2015, 09:48:38 AM
I am new to the existence of the flat earth society, learning only very recently. I personally have a firm belief that the world as we know it is round. Because of this of this I am hesitant to believe any points/"facts" that are put forward from the FE community.Whilst i will admit that some points the FE community put forward actually have some contextual value, I have difficulty in understanding many of the points admitted by the FE community.

Naomi, many of the "explanations" you have put forward seem like those that someone early in there life would say. For instance:
2.Other planets do not spin !
This is a very weak point and can be proven wrong in many aspects, there are likely hundreds of videos of planets spinning. If you believe they are fake and are just being plain stubborn then you can even go out buy a simple hobbyist telescope for £50, or $75 and find out for yourself.

Another point i would like to make not related to what you wrote would be about Felix Baumgartner the man who jumped from the edge of space. In the following video we can see that we he reaches the height of 128km. if you look you can see that the earth has a obvious curve, and if this is not enough to convinced look at where he is going to land from the module, you can obviously see that he would be no where near the Flat earths maps centre is in the arctic so he could not be in the centre of the earth so all directions seem parallel.

(http://)

A third point that can be made, would be to do with gravity. on a flat earth, how would gravity be formed. In labs all over the world it has been proven that the centre of mass has gravity no matter the size or force of it, stated as "the higher the centre of mass the stronger the force of gravity". So where on a flat earth would the gravity holding us down be formed from.

Yet another point, the magnetosphere stopping all of the deadly cosmic radiation from reaching us. In a flat earth how could such a magnetic force be created. in a rounded earth that spins a magnetosphere would make sense if a solid molten core spins counter to that of our daily spin going from east to west, rather than the daily west to east.

If you can answer all of these questions i may decide the beliefs of the FE theory may possibly be true. and may even join the belief of a FE.

I am a round earther, but I have been here long enough to know how flat earthers answer these questions.  Flat earthers believe that gravity as we know it does not exist and we fall because the Earth is accelerating up at 9.8 m/s2, and the camera used in the video that you linked had a wide field of view and so it made the curvature of the Earth look a lot more exaggerated then it actually is.  The Earth doesn't even look that curved from the height if the International Space Station, and the curvature is almost too small to notice from the altitude of the baloon in that video.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Conker on January 23, 2015, 10:41:17 AM
Hello naomi, my name is not important, but I go with Conker in most places.
I am an atheist (and a apatheist agnostic, to be more precise) as well, but I do belive I know to a very high degree of certainty that the Earth happens to be round (an irregular oblate spheroid, of course, but you get the idea).

I will try to answer your questions. While I do have an STEM degree, I am no geologist, nor an expert of any kind. I will try to lead you to any better source of information, in the case I cant give it to you.

1. How come we are moving super fast but no space video if it really is video shows the high ass speeds!

Im not a native speaker of english, so excuse me if I dont grasp the meaning of this question. I think you want to know why no videos show the earth rotating at a very fast rate? If so, I happen to know the solution.

Rotation works a bit diferent than displacement movements. The linear speed (the magnitude of the velocity) of a rotating object does not only depend of the rate of rotation (the angular velocity), but also depends on the distance of the point you are measuring the speed at to the center of rotation: the farther something is from the center, the faster it will be. This would suggest that satellites, that are even more distant from the rotation center of the earth, would show even more clearly the speed of a spinning earth. However, there is a catch. Satellites are in orbit. Imagine this situation: you are a f-35 ace pilot, looking down of the cockpit of your plane. Right below you, there is a test run for experimental cars that go up to 400 km/h, going on the same direction than you. To your eyes, they are moving slowly, or even backwards, depending on your speed.

With satellites, something else happens. In order to keep an orbit stable, a very high linear velocity must be atained. There are some special orbits (geosynchronical orbits, and beyond), that do rotate around the centre of rotation as slow as the earth goes, some of them even slower. However, even those orbits (which have a very low linear speed) go as fast as 11000 km/h.
There is another catch. Almost all satellites are launched in the same direction of rotation as the earth, creating the "jet car from jet plane" effect. Why? Fuel saving: you dont have to fight against your initial linear velocity.

2.Other planets do not spin !
They actually do! In fact, check out Uranus (no pun intended). It's axis of rotation is almost horizontal (to the solar orbit plane). This does suggest scientists that a earth sized protoplanet knocked Uranus into that tilt.


3.places on earth look just like the moon (i knew this as a kid lol it always looked fake to me.
This would fit more onto lunar landing conspiracy, which is not entirelly in topic. All lunar landing conspiracy claims that I know off have been debunked, check those out.


And 4. WHY DON'T THEY ALLOW EVERYONE TO GO OUT OF SPACE! they made ships it can't be that hard to have Disney like trips to outer space .
Cost. 225 Millions of dollars for a Soyuz launch (presumably to the ISS), with a crew capacity of 3 people. Not many Disney fans can pay that much. There are cheaper rockets coming soon, though. Maybe we will see the dream.

5.Yes you are all right "WHERE IS THIS SAID EARTH CURVE AT ,I NEVER SEEN IT CURVE IT ALWAYS LOOKS WAITE FOR IT...........................FLAT!
This has always striked me, because I was born on a seaside town. When I was a kid, I went to the beach to see petrol carriers go into the Atlantic. I could perfectly see how the carrier's hull sinked into the horizon. Only a round earth could explain that phenomena. No one "indoctrinated" me into Round Earth, I saw it with my eyes.

On Earth's curvature, I'll paraphrase Isaac Asimov, on "The relativity of wrong":
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The curvature of such a sphere [Earth] is about 0.000126 per mile, a quantity very close to 0 per mile, as you can see, and one not easily measured by the techniques at the disposal of the ancients. The tiny difference between 0 and 0.000126 accounts for the fact that it took so long to pass from the flat earth to the spherical earth.
Only when we look at very long objects from very large distances we can perceive the curvature by eye.

bam! i'm a believer .
well not 100% yet , i still think it's a tad nutty (i'm very sorry) because who really knows besides the space center if that is real or not.

Well, to be honest, many people have done research and reached to this conclusion. Its not like we didnt know that the earth was round before the space age.

Hope that I helped, waiting for your points
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: The Reviewer on January 23, 2015, 11:48:08 AM
Being a fellow Round earther I can understand some of the points you put forward. But as you talked about gravity and FE belief of accelerating at 9.822m/s, which to some degree is understandable. But how can they explain the forces of gravity applied in science labs on a molecular level, thus mass=gravity. This has been proven in many labs all around the world.

As these molecules have a force of their own when not applied with any acceleration 
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 03:17:39 PM
Well, not all of them.

Heiwa believes that the flat earth is balanced on the back of a giant turtle and it wobbling on his back causes tides.

Scepti believes that the Earth is covered with a giant ice dome.

iWitness believes that we are under a giant dome under a giant ocean and the sun is a couple hundred miles above the ground.

Pongo and jroa believe that there is a giant 40k mile plus wall around the entire flat earth

Vaux believes on the other side of that wall are giant turtles and whale ape yeti type creatures

jroa believes that NASA are a bunch of Satanists

quite a few believe that the ice wall is patrolled by giants that are called the ice wall guardians and kill all who approach.

I mean, if you want to believe the earth is flat thats your deal and more power to you, but these are the people you are associating with now. :P
i agree with this part "believes that we are under a giant dome" .
lol and okay thanks for clearing that up for me I understand that i'm in that crowd of different beliefs being atheist i'm already outcast :).
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 03:35:24 PM
Hello naomi, my name is not important, but I go with Conker in most places.
I am an atheist (and a apatheist agnostic, to be more precise) as well, but I do belive I know to a very high degree of certainty that the Earth happens to be round (an irregular oblate spheroid, of course, but you get the idea).

I will try to answer your questions. While I do have an STEM degree, I am no geologist, nor an expert of any kind. I will try to lead you to any better source of information, in the case I cant give it to you.

1. How come we are moving super fast but no space video if it really is video shows the high ass speeds!

Im not a native speaker of english, so excuse me if I dont grasp the meaning of this question. I think you want to know why no videos show the earth rotating at a very fast rate? If so, I happen to know the solution.

Rotation works a bit diferent than displacement movements. The linear speed (the magnitude of the velocity) of a rotating object does not only depend of the rate of rotation (the angular velocity), but also depends on the distance of the point you are measuring the speed at to the center of rotation: the farther something is from the center, the faster it will be. This would suggest that satellites, that are even more distant from the rotation center of the earth, would show even more clearly the speed of a spinning earth. However, there is a catch. Satellites are in orbit. Imagine this situation: you are a f-35 ace pilot, looking down of the cockpit of your plane. Right below you, there is a test run for experimental cars that go up to 400 km/h, going on the same direction than you. To your eyes, they are moving slowly, or even backwards, depending on your speed.

With satellites, something else happens. In order to keep an orbit stable, a very high linear velocity must be atained. There are some special orbits (geosynchronical orbits, and beyond), that do rotate around the centre of rotation as slow as the earth goes, some of them even slower. However, even those orbits (which have a very low linear speed) go as fast as 11000 km/h.
There is another catch. Almost all satellites are launched in the same direction of rotation as the earth, creating the "jet car from jet plane" effect. Why? Fuel saving: you dont have to fight against your initial linear velocity.

2.Other planets do not spin !
They actually do! In fact, check out Uranus (no pun intended). It's axis of rotation is almost horizontal (to the solar orbit plane). This does suggest scientists that a earth sized protoplanet knocked Uranus into that tilt.


3.places on earth look just like the moon (i knew this as a kid lol it always looked fake to me.
This would fit more onto lunar landing conspiracy, which is not entirelly in topic. All lunar landing conspiracy claims that I know off have been debunked, check those out.


And 4. WHY DON'T THEY ALLOW EVERYONE TO GO OUT OF SPACE! they made ships it can't be that hard to have Disney like trips to outer space .
Cost. 225 Millions of dollars for a Soyuz launch (presumably to the ISS), with a crew capacity of 3 people. Not many Disney fans can pay that much. There are cheaper rockets coming soon, though. Maybe we will see the dream.

5.Yes you are all right "WHERE IS THIS SAID EARTH CURVE AT ,I NEVER SEEN IT CURVE IT ALWAYS LOOKS WAITE FOR IT...........................FLAT!
This has always striked me, because I was born on a seaside town. When I was a kid, I went to the beach to see petrol carriers go into the Atlantic. I could perfectly see how the carrier's hull sinked into the horizon. Only a round earth could explain that phenomena. No one "indoctrinated" me into Round Earth, I saw it with my eyes.

On Earth's curvature, I'll paraphrase Isaac Asimov, on "The relativity of wrong":
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The curvature of such a sphere [Earth] is about 0.000126 per mile, a quantity very close to 0 per mile, as you can see, and one not easily measured by the techniques at the disposal of the ancients. The tiny difference between 0 and 0.000126 accounts for the fact that it took so long to pass from the flat earth to the spherical earth.
Only when we look at very long objects from very large distances we can perceive the curvature by eye.

bam! i'm a believer .
well not 100% yet , i still think it's a tad nutty (i'm very sorry) because who really knows besides the space center if that is real or not.

Well, to be honest, many people have done research and reached to this conclusion. Its not like we didnt know that the earth was round before the space age.

Hope that I helped, waiting for your points
I read it all and Thanks ,
I don't have any points i'm honestly here just to find out proof that the earth is flat or not and so far everyone is teaching me that my original points are easy to disprove I'm okay with that .
I said this "2.Other planets do not spin ! ." From Earth i don't see any stars or the moon spin lol  I don't know it just looks like it's not spinning .I get the point that it's like fish in a tank if i toss the fish tank and not break the glass the fish do not know they moved . that's how earth to us . but i'm driven to see it spin the speed nasa say's it spins at it's just a Personal goal that may never come true .
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
Hello, I am a round earther who believs that the bible is true and the Earth is round.  Here are some answers from the questions you asked:

1: Velocity is relative, not absolute.  If you are driving 80 miles per hour on a freeway it will be just as correct to say that your car is stationary and the Earth is moving past you at 80 miles per hour.  How would you expect a video of Earth's velocity to look like anyway?

2: Other planets actually do spin, you can observe their rotation with a hobbyist telescope.

3: I don't believe that there are any places on Earth that look like the Moon because the Moon has craters of every size littering the ground and that does not happen on Earth.

4: Everyone is totally alowed to go into space, and space tourism is a growing industry.  The reason that it's not too common is because getting something into orbit costs about $10,000 per pound and most civilians can't afford it.  Most rockets are not reusable, and they sure as heck don't look cheap.

5: Earth looks flat from the surface because it is really REALLY REALLY REALLY BIG.  You can test this by spending hours driving a few hundred mies and then looking at how small all that distance looks in a world map.

I am actually organizing an experiment (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62666.0#.VMJygEZHbCQ) taking place tomorrow that will prove the shape of the Earth.  You should check it out.
Why don't you trust said "God" when he clearly said the Earth is flat .  a circle is 2D not 3D So it is flat .
no offence i just never understand why god belivers think the Bible is real but can ignore everything they don't agree with  :-\ (Lets not make this into a debate i already know how it will end i've had so meany fights about that subject . I was just saying it boggles the mind .

I will check it out Thanks for the invite  :).
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: kman on January 23, 2015, 04:14:16 PM
no offence i just never understand why god belivers think the Bible is real but can ignore everything they don't agree with  :-\

Completely agree.
There are parts of the bible that state that people who lie about their virginity should be stoned to death  ;D
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Lemmiwinks on January 23, 2015, 05:51:01 PM
no offence i just never understand why god belivers think the Bible is real but can ignore everything they don't agree with  :-\

Completely agree.
There are parts of the bible that state that people who lie about their virginity should be stoned to death  ;D

But strange to say that when the vast mountains of science say the earth is round and you say you think ts flat. :p
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: kman on January 23, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
no offence i just never understand why god belivers think the Bible is real but can ignore everything they don't agree with  :-\

Completely agree.
There are parts of the bible that state that people who lie about their virginity should be stoned to death  ;D

But strange to say that when the vast mountains of science say the earth is round and you say you think ts flat. :p

I am a proud RE-er.
Doesn't mean that I can't agree with FE-ers on some things (although rarely)

I don't think "us and them" mentalities are really advisable.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Lemmiwinks on January 23, 2015, 06:35:31 PM
no offence i just never understand why god belivers think the Bible is real but can ignore everything they don't agree with  :-\

Completely agree.
There are parts of the bible that state that people who lie about their virginity should be stoned to death  ;D

But strange to say that when the vast mountains of science say the earth is round and you say you think ts flat. :p

I am a proud RE-er.
Doesn't mean that I can't agree with FE-ers on some things (although rarely)

I don't think "us and them" mentalities are really advisable.

Oh no I didn't mean you, meant that she said bible believers ignore everything that says they are wrong.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: kman on January 23, 2015, 06:40:01 PM
no offence i just never understand why god belivers think the Bible is real but can ignore everything they don't agree with  :-\

Completely agree.
There are parts of the bible that state that people who lie about their virginity should be stoned to death  ;D

But strange to say that when the vast mountains of science say the earth is round and you say you think ts flat. :p

I am a proud RE-er.
Doesn't mean that I can't agree with FE-ers on some things (although rarely)

I don't think "us and them" mentalities are really advisable.

Oh no I didn't mean you, meant that she said bible believers ignore everything that says they are wrong.

Oops....   ;D

My bad
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Lemmiwinks on January 23, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
No worries. My bad for quoting you instead of her. Stupid phones.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: Conker on January 23, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
I read it all and Thanks ,
I don't have any points i'm honestly here just to find out proof that the earth is flat or not and so far everyone is teaching me that my original points are easy to disprove I'm okay with that .
Dont worry, as long as you keep a reasonable attitude, Im fine with debate, this kind of questions are very natural.

I said this "2.Other planets do not spin ! ." From Earth i don't see any stars or the moon spin lol  I don't know it just looks like it's not spinning .
The moon does spin, and in fact it is the reason we always get to see the same face: the earth's spin and moon's spin are synchronized (through a complicate phenomena called tidal lock). Its similar to having a ball tied to cord, then start spinning really fast with it on your hands. You will always see the same face, though to an outsider both of you will be spinning. A gif of it: (http://www.scienceu.com/observatory/articles/phases/images/phases.gif)

I get the point that it's like fish in a tank if i toss the fish tank and not break the glass the fish do not know they moved . that's how earth to us . but i'm driven to see it spin the speed nasa say's it spins at it's just a Personal goal that may never come true .

There is an easy way of calculating the linear velocity caused by earth's rotation, without resorting to interferometrics and so. Lets say the earth is a perfect sphere of 12700 km of diameter. We know that the earth rotates at a rate of 1/24 turn per hour. Lets get this into SI units: (2pi radians)/(86400 seconds) = 7.3 × 10-5 rad / s
There is a formula to calculate the linear velocity of a point rotating around a disk (or anything that has only one axis of rotation):
V = omega[angular velocity] * radius. Therefore,
V = 7.3 × 10-5 rad / s * 6350 Km *3600 s/h= 1669 Km/h. And thats just the speed caused by rotation. Many people take into account far, far greater speeds, like the orbital speed around the sun, the speed of the solar system, the galactical orbit speed, the speed of the galaxy on our supercluster, etc. Movement is relative
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 08:44:13 PM
no offence i just never understand why god belivers think the Bible is real but can ignore everything they don't agree with  :-\

Completely agree.
There are parts of the bible that state that people who lie about their virginity should be stoned to death  ;D

But strange to say that when the vast mountains of science say the earth is round and you say you think ts flat. :p
Believers are supposed to trust and follow god commands if he says the earth is flat why do they get to say "i believe in god but i think the earth is 3D ."  its called cherry picking the bible because it is fake and they get to attack anyone they want but have zero proof of any gods !
your trying to pick a fight with me over something that is at the fault of god believers not Atheist ,I read the bible i know it already so even if this earth is flat or round it will not make me re brainwash fear of any god into my brain ,you can re read every post and have already answered your question to me . That is why i said you are picking a fight ,and i also said i didn't want to turn it into a fight to the person i was speaking to so ,end of this discussion
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: hoppy on January 23, 2015, 08:52:57 PM
no offence i just never understand why god belivers think the Bible is real but can ignore everything they don't agree with  :-\

Completely agree.
There are parts of the bible that state that people who lie about their virginity should be stoned to death  ;D

But strange to say that when the vast mountains of science say the earth is round and you say you think ts flat. :p

I am a proud RE-er.
Doesn't mean that I can't agree with FE-ers on some things (although rarely)

I don't think "us and them" mentalities are really advisable.
The assimilation has begun.
Title: Re: I'm anew believer to FE belief here's why.
Post by: NAOMIdee on January 23, 2015, 09:00:18 PM
I read it all and Thanks ,
I don't have any points i'm honestly here just to find out proof that the earth is flat or not and so far everyone is teaching me that my original points are easy to disprove I'm okay with that .
Dont worry, as long as you keep a reasonable attitude, Im fine with debate, this kind of questions are very natural.

I said this "2.Other planets do not spin ! ." From Earth i don't see any stars or the moon spin lol  I don't know it just looks like it's not spinning .
The moon does spin, and in fact it is the reason we always get to see the same face: the earth's spin and moon's spin are synchronized (through a complicate phenomena called tidal lock). Its similar to having a ball tied to cord, then start spinning really fast with it on your hands. You will always see the same face, though to an outsider both of you will be spinning. A gif of it: (http://www.scienceu.com/observatory/articles/phases/images/phases.gif)

I get the point that it's like fish in a tank if i toss the fish tank and not break the glass the fish do not know they moved . that's how earth to us . but i'm driven to see it spin the speed nasa say's it spins at it's just a Personal goal that may never come true .

There is an easy way of calculating the linear velocity caused by earth's rotation, without resorting to interferometrics and so. Lets say the earth is a perfect sphere of 12700 km of diameter. We know that the earth rotates at a rate of 1/24 turn per hour. Lets get this into SI units: (2pi radians)/(86400 seconds) = 7.3 × 10-5 rad / s
There is a formula to calculate the linear velocity of a point rotating around a disk (or anything that has only one axis of rotation):
V = omega[angular velocity] * radius. Therefore,
V = 7.3 × 10-5 rad / s * 6350 Km *3600 s/h= 1669 Km/h. And thats just the speed caused by rotation. Many people take into account far, far greater speeds, like the orbital speed around the sun, the speed of the solar system, the galactical orbit speed, the speed of the galaxy on our supercluster, etc. Movement is relative
I never been good at math or writing so wowzers this flew over my head :( . I still  get the lesson you are teaching me .I stand corrected about my original reason for posting those questions  8) Thanks guy .