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Title: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: FlatOrange on April 03, 2014, 08:53:00 PM
It would be nice to get a list of significant events together.  A big one we've all been watching is Sir Richard Branson and the supposed Civilians-to-Space venture.

Any other dates of significant events?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 03, 2014, 09:06:42 PM
Not trying to derail, but since you posted this in FEG instead of the science section, I can only assume you want to discuss the information in your post.  Why did they make it to the moon back in the 60s with only a few years of preparation, but it supposedly will be almost 60 years later just to get to Mars?  I know Mars is farther away than the moon, but really, 60 years? Look how much technology has advanced since the moon landings. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: FlatOrange on April 03, 2014, 09:21:29 PM
Not trying to derail, but since you posted this in FEG instead of the science section, I can only assume you want to discuss the information in your post.  Why did they make it to the moon back in the 60s with only a few years of preparation, but it supposedly will be almost 60 years later just to get to Mars?  I know Mars is farther away than the moon, but really, 60 years? Look how much technology has advanced since the moon landings.

We were a focused nation. Our imagination about space was on fire. We dreamed of the future and fought with nations by trying to outdo them with science.  Today we fight over oil and it destroys our economy and our trust in our government.

And it's not our nation planning the trip to Mars.  So it's pointless to compare the two.  The USA has devalued space travel.  NASA is squeezed of its funding and must get by on so little so all they can afford is to keep a few people on the space station and launch some robots and satellites.  It'll be a long time till the nation values science and space exploration again.  Private businesses are picking up the slack.

P.S. Yes this is in FEG because I want to talk about significant dates that will heat up debates about the shape of our planet.  Richard Branson is a big one, DSCOVR not many people know about. Mars One, obviously a long ways a way, but a big one no doubt. And JWST is not that relevant but I can't think of many more.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 03, 2014, 09:31:33 PM
That's another thing I am confused about.  The government gives NASA $20 billion just to have a few people on the space station.  Does this sound fishy to anyone else? 
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 03, 2014, 10:08:51 PM
That's another thing I am confused about.  The government gives NASA $20 billion just to have a few people on the space station.  Does this sound fishy to anyone else?
Not really. It probably costs a whole lot of money to keep that space station running and all those people alive.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Ski on April 04, 2014, 12:12:48 AM
It would be nice to get a list of significant events together.  A big one we've all been watching is Sir Richard Branson and the supposed Civilians-to-Space venture.

  • 6 months to a year: The upcoming deadline of Richard Branson flying his family up to space is December 2014.
Wake me up when this actually happens...

Quote from: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jul/29/business/fi-rutan29
Virgin Galactic hopes to operate space flights by the end of 2008. Fares for the flights will start at $200,000.
They've been holding on to a lot of suckers' money for a long time. If I had a nickle for every time he was "months" away, I could start my own rocket tourism company for people with more money than brains.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 04, 2014, 03:36:59 AM
That's another thing I am confused about.  The government gives NASA $20 billion just to have a few people on the space station.  Does this sound fishy to anyone else?
I am sure you can be smarted than that.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 04, 2014, 03:45:46 AM
That's another thing I am confused about.  The government gives NASA $20 billion just to have a few people on the space station.  Does this sound fishy to anyone else?
It is not called international space station for nothing. The money is from many countries. Besides it is money circulated not wasted.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 04, 2014, 07:46:28 AM
That's another thing I am confused about.  The government gives NASA $20 billion just to have a few people on the space station.  Does this sound fishy to anyone else?
Not really.  Here's the full budget program for 2013, as you can see they get up to quite a bit:

2013 budget (http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/622986main_FY_13_summary_Budget_Briefing_Master_Files_final_2_14_12.pdf)

For $17B it seems like one of the better value spending programs in the US.

On the other hand the US military spent an obscene $716B (42 times the NASA budget) in 2013, and only managed to blow up 5 goat herders and 2 wedding parties.

Does this sound fishy to anyone else?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 04, 2014, 10:34:41 AM
That's another thing I am confused about.  The government gives NASA $20 billion just to have a few people on the space station.  Does this sound fishy to anyone else?
Not really.  Here's the full budget program for 2013, as you can see they get up to quite a bit:

2013 budget (http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/622986main_FY_13_summary_Budget_Briefing_Master_Files_final_2_14_12.pdf)

For $17B it seems like one of the better value spending programs in the US.

On the other hand the US military spent an obscene $716B (42 times the NASA budget) in 2013, and only managed to blow up 5 goat herders and 2 wedding parties.

Does this sound fishy to anyone else?
No, that also makes sense.
We need money to keep on being the biggest kid on the playground.
Also, proxy wars and drug wars.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Whiskey on April 04, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
Why did they make it to the moon back in the 60s with only a few years of preparation, but it supposedly will be almost 60 years later just to get to Mars?  I know Mars is farther away than the moon, but really, 60 years? Look how much technology has advanced since the moon landings.

Technology doesn't solve the biggest problems in going to Mars. If you understood the implications of the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation you would understand why this trip is so much harder.

The Apollo missions were brief, limiting the time the astronauts would be in danger of potentially deadly solar radiation events. The missions were also timed for periods where solar activity forecast to be low. A trip to Mars will expose the astronauts to much more solar radiation and will almost certainly be unable to avoid a dangerous solar event.

This will necessarily mean more shielding, whish will mean more weight- see the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.

Also, since the Apollo missions were brief, the amount of supplies need was small. A trip to Mars will require far more - see the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 04, 2014, 12:41:07 PM
Why did they make it to the moon back in the 60s with only a few years of preparation, but it supposedly will be almost 60 years later just to get to Mars?  I know Mars is farther away than the moon, but really, 60 years? Look how much technology has advanced since the moon landings.

Technology doesn't solve the biggest problems in going to Mars. If you understood the implications of the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation you would understand why this trip is so much harder.

The Apollo missions were brief, limiting the time the astronauts would be in danger of potentially deadly solar radiation events. The missions were also timed for periods where solar activity forecast to be low. A trip to Mars will expose the astronauts to much more solar radiation and will almost certainly be unable to avoid a dangerous solar event.

This will necessarily mean more shielding, whish will mean more weight- see the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.

Also, since the Apollo missions were brief, the amount of supplies need was small. A trip to Mars will require far more - see the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.
yes and nobody said it will be easy. It will take time to developed the technology. I still think it is beyond reach.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 04, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
If going to the moon is so easy, then why have we not done it in  more than 40 years?  Why did we all of a sudden just stop? 
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 04, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
If going to the moon is so easy, then why have we not done it in  more than 40 years?  Why did we all of a sudden just stop?
Going to the moon was not easy. Going back will do what?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 04, 2014, 12:54:30 PM
To prove that we can go there?  Never mind, it has been more than 40 years. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 04, 2014, 12:57:09 PM
To prove that we can go there?  Never mind, it has been more than 40 years.
They don't have to spend 100 billion dollars to prove anything. They put the money in the ISS and now they will try for mars in the the future. Anything wrong with that?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Whiskey on April 04, 2014, 01:09:37 PM
If going to the moon is so easy, then why have we not done it in  more than 40 years?  Why did we all of a sudden just stop?

Short answer is there is no need to go back... at least not enough need to generate the political will to fund a trip back.

George Bush tried to get the ball rolling to get us back to the moon, using as a stepping stone for a manned mission to Mars.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/14/bush.space/index.html?_s=PM:TECH (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/14/bush.space/index.html?_s=PM:TECH)

The Obama administration cancelled the plans, instead shifting NASA focus on more frequent unmanned missions and Muslim outreach programs.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: FlatOrange on April 04, 2014, 04:05:54 PM
To prove that we can go there?  Never mind, it has been more than 40 years.

To prove to whom? There will always be a bunch of people who don't believe in space travel so why waste the money? When other countries of the world believe you went there you really think the naysayers matter?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 04, 2014, 04:13:21 PM
Yes, why waste money traveling through space when there are people who do not believe that it is possible?  ::)
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: RandomREalist on April 04, 2014, 04:50:51 PM
Yes, why waste money traveling through space when there are people who do not believe that it is possible?  ::)

So, you're saying that if a new,  manned mission were to happen, you would feel like you were "wrong" you wouldn't just claim that it's all a hoax, and faked?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 04, 2014, 04:58:55 PM
No, I restated what FlatOrange said.  Pay attention. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 05, 2014, 02:53:32 AM
If going to the moon is so easy
There you go with your stawman again.


Quote
  Why did we all of a sudden just stop?
Why would in continue? 

Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: FlatOrange on April 05, 2014, 01:21:41 PM
Yes, why waste money traveling through space when there are people who do not believe that it is possible?  ::)
No, I restated what FlatOrange said.  Pay attention.

Exactly. It's a waste. So if you're going to go to space you might as well have other things planned other than just wasting the money to prove to people that's it's possible.

Mars One has no doubt whether or not space travel is possible. Their mission is to inhabit Mars. If the goal was just to prove the naysayers wrong it would be a never-ending goal because there will always be disbelievers.  (Of course, I expect FErs to conclude the reason there will always be disbelievers is the fault of the space-goers and not the fault of the disbelievers.)
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 05, 2014, 02:05:58 PM
They can't even get the space tourism industry going other than a few unmanned launches.  You are supposed to be able to vacation in space by now.  We are supposed to believe that it is just around the corner, just like the Mars colonization.  It will always be Next Year. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 05, 2014, 02:09:30 PM
They can't even get the space tourism industry going other than a few unmanned launches.  You are supposed to be able to vacation in space by now.  We are supposed to believe that it is just around the corner, just like the Mars colonization.  It will always be Next Year.
Who is they?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: tappet on April 05, 2014, 02:27:52 PM
They can't even get the space tourism industry going other than a few unmanned launches.  You are supposed to be able to vacation in space by now.  We are supposed to believe that it is just around the corner, just like the Mars colonization.  It will always be Next Year.
Who is they?
They, would be the people that make the claims about space tourism.
But in your twisted mind you would like jroa to name a conspiracy mob like say, KAOS!
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 05, 2014, 06:35:27 PM
They can't even get the space tourism industry going other than a few unmanned launches.  You are supposed to be able to vacation in space by now.  We are supposed to believe that it is just around the corner, just like the Mars colonization.  It will always be Next Year.
Who is they?
They, would be the people that make the claims about space tourism.
But in your twisted mind you would like jroa to name a conspiracy mob like say, KAOS!
Is they... NASA, government, Politicians... Who exactly?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: FlatOrange on April 05, 2014, 07:41:58 PM
We are supposed to believe that it is just around the corner, just like the Mars colonization.  It will always be Next Year.

No it's in 9 years
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: tappet on April 05, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
They can't even get the space tourism industry going other than a few unmanned launches.  You are supposed to be able to vacation in space by now.  We are supposed to believe that it is just around the corner, just like the Mars colonization.  It will always be Next Year.
Who is they?
They, would be the people that make the claims about space tourism.
But in your twisted mind you would like jroa to name a conspiracy mob like say, KAOS!
Is they... NASA, government, Politicians... Who exactly?
Seriously, if you wanted to see an example of  "they" in space tourism its as simple as looking at this:
http://www.virgingalactic.com/our-team/ (http://www.virgingalactic.com/our-team/)
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 05, 2014, 08:57:25 PM
They can't even get the space tourism industry going other than a few unmanned launches.  You are supposed to be able to vacation in space by now.  We are supposed to believe that it is just around the corner, just like the Mars colonization.  It will always be Next Year.
Who is they?
They, would be the people that make the claims about space tourism.
But in your twisted mind you would like jroa to name a conspiracy mob like say, KAOS!
Is they... NASA, government, Politicians... Who exactly?
Seriously, if you wanted to see an example of  "they" in space tourism its as simple as looking at this:
http://www.virgingalactic.com/our-team/ (http://www.virgingalactic.com/our-team/)
Of course there are people with visions but by saying "they" it implies other agencies are trying to scam people. Not so.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 06, 2014, 01:17:34 AM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy that they could do it 50 years ago.  They could leave the moon and come back home.  Yet, Mars is too difficult to leave.  What a surprise. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 06, 2014, 03:17:58 AM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy
Just repeating the strawman over again doesn't make it any more valid.

Going to the moon is not easy.  Nor cheap.

I'll ask again:  why do you think they should send a manned mission to the moon?  What would be the point?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 06, 2014, 04:21:16 AM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy that they could do it 50 years ago.  They could leave the moon and come back home.  Yet, Mars is too difficult to leave.  What a surprise.
So you are saying they did go to the moon.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 06, 2014, 07:44:35 AM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy that they could do it 50 years ago.  They could leave the moon and come back home.  Yet, Mars is too difficult to leave.  What a surprise.
So you are saying they did go to the moon.

No, I am saying if they did go to the moon.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 06, 2014, 07:48:17 AM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy that they could do it 50 years ago.  They could leave the moon and come back home.  Yet, Mars is too difficult to leave.  What a surprise.
So you are saying they did go to the moon.

No, I am saying if they did go to the moon.
If they did not go to the moon then they can "not do it again". They can do that every year.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 06, 2014, 08:49:06 AM
Then why don't they?  It was so important for a few years, then it is not important anymore?  Or, maybe it was just not worth the effort to fake? 
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: inquisitive on April 06, 2014, 08:53:17 AM
Then why don't they?  It was so important for a few years, then it is not important anymore?  Or, maybe it was just not worth the effort to fake?
Cost, risks, benefits.

Why would anyone fake all this space stuff?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: FlatOrange on April 06, 2014, 04:40:35 PM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy that they could do it 50 years ago.  They could leave the moon and come back home.  Yet, Mars is too difficult to leave.  What a surprise.

First of all, the moon is still in Earth's gravitational pull!  It orbits the Earth. This means that it's always roughly the same distance from Earth.  Mars however, is not orbiting the Earth.  What could be a 6 month trip on the way there could be twice as long on the way back.

Mars is a totally different kind of trip than the trip to the moon.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: tappet on April 06, 2014, 05:01:01 PM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy
Just repeating the strawman over again doesn't make it any more valid.

Going to the moon is not easy.  Nor cheap.

I'll ask again:  why do you think they should send a manned mission to the moon?  What would be the point?
6 times from 69 to72, well 7 if we include Apollo 13. Man they were the days eh! money to burn, fun times go anywhere. F....K the expense. Now everyone is a tight arse with their money. ;D
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 06, 2014, 05:48:08 PM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy
Just repeating the strawman over again doesn't make it any more valid.

Going to the moon is not easy.  Nor cheap.

I'll ask again:  why do you think they should send a manned mission to the moon?  What would be the point?
6 times from 69 to72, well 7 if we include Apollo 13. Man they were the days eh! money to burn, fun times go anywhere. F....K the expense. Now everyone is a tight arse with their money. ;D
And your point is?
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: tappet on April 06, 2014, 06:31:36 PM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy
Just repeating the strawman over again doesn't make it any more valid.

Going to the moon is not easy.  Nor cheap.

I'll ask again:  why do you think they should send a manned mission to the moon?  What would be the point?
6 times from 69 to72, well 7 if we include Apollo 13. Man they were the days eh! money to burn, fun times go anywhere. F....K the expense. Now everyone is a tight arse with their money. ;D
And your point is?
Nothing in particular.
Just thinking about the good ole days when we had enough money to go to the moon and back 7 times in a few years.
Title: Re: Looking ahead. Collection of dates for significant events
Post by: Starman on April 06, 2014, 06:40:01 PM
Like I said, going to the moon is so easy
Just repeating the strawman over again doesn't make it any more valid.

Going to the moon is not easy.  Nor cheap.

I'll ask again:  why do you think they should send a manned mission to the moon?  What would be the point?
6 times from 69 to72, well 7 if we include Apollo 13. Man they were the days eh! money to burn, fun times go anywhere. F....K the expense. Now everyone is a tight arse with their money. ;D
And your point is?
Nothing in particular.
Just thinking about the good ole days when we had enough money to go to the moon and back 7 times in a few years.
they did not call it the space race for nothing. It was the USA way to speed up technology during the cold war with Russia.