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Title: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Tausami on April 13, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
We get this video a lot, so I thought I'd make an easily found thread debunking it. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.

2. Time Zones

This is the first of a trend in this video, in which Henry (the host of MinutePhysics, for those not subscribed) assumes that the Flat Earth is exactly the same as the Round Earth in every way except for shape. The sun works in a manner similar to a spotlight in Flat Earth Theory, which is why time zones exist. When the Sun isn't pointing overhead, it's nighttime.

3. The Coriolis Effect

Once again, Henry is making assumptions. There are a few differing opinions about this, as Flat Earth Theory is not a unified theory. Some people doubt the existence of Coriolis as anything more than a theorized force, as the evidence for it is largely contrived. Others have various explanations for it, such as the Shadow of the Aetheric Wind theorized by myself.

4. Triangles

This is little more than conjecture. It is literally impossible to perform this experiment on the scale required.

5. The Sun

Henry is assuming again. The Sun's apparent movement is caused by the Sun actually moving. As for Eratosthenes's famous experiment to measure the diameter of the Earth, that assumes a Round Earth. If we assume a Flat Earth, the same experiment gives us the distance to the Sun.

6. Stars Change

Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

____

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 13, 2013, 07:03:37 PM
I don't know, stickying this might make Thork angry.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: Tausami on April 13, 2013, 07:06:50 PM
Thork is always angry.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: darknavyseal on April 13, 2013, 07:16:15 PM
Thank you. This is a must.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: Rama Set on April 13, 2013, 07:20:55 PM
Sorry to clog the thread, but can something also be added about the superluminal velocity objection to UA?  It gets annoying to constantly explain special relativity to people.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: Tausami on April 13, 2013, 07:22:35 PM
Sorry to clog the thread, but can something also be added about the superluminal velocity objection to UA?  It gets annoying to constantly explain special relativity to people.

Nah, this is just for that video. If there's popular demand for it I'll add it to the FAQ, though.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 13, 2013, 07:27:04 PM
Thork is always angry.

True.  And it's kind of fun making him angry anyway.  Stickied.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Cartesian on April 14, 2013, 12:25:49 AM
I suggest that some of these should go to FAQ. Newbies tend to ask the same questions over and over.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2013, 10:48:56 AM
I think the next move would for the FAQ to be edited to reflect this idea.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Thork on April 14, 2013, 11:20:27 AM
Who the hell stickied this?

I want answers.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 14, 2013, 11:56:31 AM
I did.  I am planning to do a lot more stickying in the future as well. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Thork on April 14, 2013, 12:05:32 PM
This is precisely why you aren't allowed to sticky things. No, someone has dropped a b*ll*ck and now we are all having to deal with the consequences.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Saddam Hussein on April 14, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
Locking this thread would be a good idea.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Thork on April 14, 2013, 01:19:44 PM
Locking this thread would be a good idea.
And unsticking it.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: robertotrevor on April 14, 2013, 02:24:30 PM
1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1? Also wasnt the video 10 reasons? (there are 9 answers)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Thork on April 14, 2013, 02:58:46 PM
1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1? Also wasnt the video 10 reasons? (there are 9 answers)
This is from a special branch of zetetic maths called 'zetetic counting'.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Tausami on April 14, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1? Also wasnt the video 10 reasons? (there are 9 answers)

I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about...  :-[
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatOrange on December 15, 2013, 06:56:12 PM
"9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same."

A lunar eclipse is when the shadow of the Earth falls on the moon.  The moon and the sun are far apart.  Full moons are always farthest from the sun, so there's no way the moon is going behind the sun.

Also, if the moon went behind the sun it would be during a new moon, at daytime (if we were to see it) and we wouldn't even notice it.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: alfa156melb on February 15, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
Debunked? LOL

All you did was stick your fingers in your ears and yell LALALALALALALALALA!

Twerp.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: ColtonCM on April 05, 2014, 01:38:38 PM
And where are your mathematics that debunk the 10 reasons we know the Earth is round?

Where are your articles in peer-reviewed journals?

Where are your observations, your photos, your astronauts that have been on the International Space Station?

Where are your GPS systems that work based on the fact we know the Earth is round.

Where are your satellite television network and internet satellites that work based on Flat Earth principles?

Where is your evidence that that the Earth is different and not round like the other planets for no reason at all?

Where is your proof of conspiracies regarding the picture of the Earth? We have hundreds of satellites orbiting Earth at various distances, the only way we can take pictures of some of the celestial objects that astronomers study is by putting satellites in space.

So all the pictures of the other planets being round are true, but the one of the Earth is not?

Excuse me, where is everyone's (by everyone, I mean everyone who believes the nonsense on this board) PhD or engineering degree that actually is responsible for building rockets, satellites, GPS systems, etc?

Seriously, this board is so full of ignorance that I rank you guys lower than Creationists, and I thought that was as low as one could be.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 05, 2014, 01:50:57 PM
ColtonCM, make a thread for each of your questions in the Q&A forum.  If there is something you want to debate, make a thread in the Debate forum. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: General Patton on August 30, 2014, 12:28:26 PM
We get this video a lot, so I thought I'd make an easily found thread debunking it. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.

2. Time Zones

This is the first of a trend in this video, in which Henry (the host of MinutePhysics, for those not subscribed) assumes that the Flat Earth is exactly the same as the Round Earth in every way except for shape. The sun works in a manner similar to a spotlight in Flat Earth Theory, which is why time zones exist. When the Sun isn't pointing overhead, it's nighttime.

3. The Coriolis Effect

Once again, Henry is making assumptions. There are a few differing opinions about this, as Flat Earth Theory is not a unified theory. Some people doubt the existence of Coriolis as anything more than a theorized force, as the evidence for it is largely contrived. Others have various explanations for it, such as the Shadow of the Aetheric Wind theorized by myself.

4. Triangles

This is little more than conjecture. It is literally impossible to perform this experiment on the scale required.

5. The Sun

Henry is assuming again. The Sun's apparent movement is caused by the Sun actually moving. As for Eratosthenes's famous experiment to measure the diameter of the Earth, that assumes a Round Earth. If we assume a Flat Earth, the same experiment gives us the distance to the Sun.

6. Stars Change

Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

____

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.
Lets see how many things we can debunk on your side.

Why do you think the Earth is flat?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on October 04, 2014, 06:11:10 AM
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Experimental%20Evidence (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Experimental%20Evidence)
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Occams+Razor (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Occams+Razor)
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Conspiracy (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Conspiracy)
OK, I am a Round-Earther, but I want to help other REs by showing them what evidences to refute.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: ausGeoff on October 04, 2014, 08:19:37 AM
First point:  "It is proven that the ship does not sink behind a hill of water, but that it is actually perspective which hides it." 

Rebuttal:  There is no "hill" of water.  Water—being a fluid—finds its own level.  And that level follows, nominally, the curvature of the earth's surface beneath it.  To put it scientifically, the surface of the oceans and seas, either individually or collectively, will be situated at exactly the same distance from the earth's centre of gravity.  This, in itself, plus the "sinking ship" illusion, proves the earth's sphericity.  Flat earthers repeatedly misuse the term "perspective" to justify their observations whilst not understanding the technical ramifications of the word.

Second point:  "Occam's Razor proves the earth is flat".

Rebuttal:  Occam's Razor says that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected as the correct one, but—and this is where the flat earth reliance on Occam falls down—other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct.  Occam's Razor does not "prove" any two postulates one way or the other.  In other words it doesn't provide any proof—in itself—that the earth is flat or spherical.  Only science can prove that either way.

Third point:  "The Conspiracy, by virtue of its purported existence, proves that the spherical earth model is incorrect due to willful misinformation.

Rebuttal:  No worldwide conspiracy to delude the public's perception of the geometry of the earth has ever been exposed.  Any "conspiracy" exists only in the collective imaginations of flat earth proponents, and is utilised simply to replace valid scientific theories that refute their flat earth hypothesis.  No flat earther has yet been able to explain why a flat earth scenario would favour any particular individual and/or organisation, or, conversely, what advantages the spherical earth model grants any individual and/or organisation.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: macrohard on October 07, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
I'd like to add to the second point.  It seems that occam's razer favors round earth.

While "earth is stationary and flat" seems simpler than "earth is oblate spheroid hurling through space" on the surface, the amount of unexplained and unobserved assumptions for flat earth add to to something extremely complex.  Universal acceleration, aether, bending light... all these things make FE very challenging to justify even within its own frame.

The round earth sounds complex on the surface, but the deeper you dig the simpler it becomes.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Skepsis on December 04, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
Hi,
I'm a newcomer to this site so excuse me if I seem to be pushy or asking questions that have already been answered. I just do not understand the theory. Scientific disagreements aside.
For me logical thinking can solve this problem in a matter of minutes. Maybe I'm missing something but why would these higher powers, government or other, spend all this time planning an elaborate hoax to convince the people that the Earth is flat?
This makes no sense to me. I'm sure you would agree that a lot of people would have to be involved in this... But for what? What's the upside? You might answer money and power but those things can be acquired in much simpler ways. Another question I wanted to ask is, is this society of the belief that the government has caused events such as 911 and other disasters?  Also does anybody running this have an actual degree in advanced mathematics or physics from any respectable college or university? Thanks so much for your time I appreciate you answering my questions however stupid they may seem to you.
Regards
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: ausGeoff on December 05, 2014, 02:15:58 AM
Maybe I'm missing something but why would these higher powers, government or other, spend all this time planning an elaborate hoax to convince the people that the Earth is flat?

This is an often-asked question that's never been satisfactorily answered by any of the flat earthers.  Put another way;  why would the NWO and the corporatists and the government make more money, or exert more power on a round earth rather than a flat one?

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Another question I wanted to ask is, is this society of the belief that the government has caused events such as 911 and other disasters?

In all likelihood—for many of them—yes.  Numerous flat earthers are conspiracy theorist in one way or another, and 9/11, the Apollo missions etc certainly fall within that distorted world view.

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Also does anybody running this have an actual degree in advanced mathematics or physics from any respectable college or university?

This is an unknown, and will probably remain so due to many flat earthers lacking the courage of their convictions if they're questioned about their credibility when answering questions involving the established, empirical sciences.

(And please ignore a member named sceptimatic, who claims to possess thirteen academic qualifications—but who repeatedly refuses to name even one of them.  He's an acknowledged, long-time, but thick-skinned inveterate liar, so don't waste your time by being sucked into any of his puerile dialogues.)

—Welcome, from another round earther.   :)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: HelioCentricist#57 on December 11, 2014, 11:40:41 PM
We get this video a lot, so I thought I'd make an easily found thread debunking it. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.

2. Time Zones

This is the first of a trend in this video, in which Henry (the host of MinutePhysics, for those not subscribed) assumes that the Flat Earth is exactly the same as the Round Earth in every way except for shape. The sun works in a manner similar to a spotlight in Flat Earth Theory, which is why time zones exist. When the Sun isn't pointing overhead, it's nighttime.

3. The Coriolis Effect

Once again, Henry is making assumptions. There are a few differing opinions about this, as Flat Earth Theory is not a unified theory. Some people doubt the existence of Coriolis as anything more than a theorized force, as the evidence for it is largely contrived. Others have various explanations for it, such as the Shadow of the Aetheric Wind theorized by myself.

4. Triangles

This is little more than conjecture. It is literally impossible to perform this experiment on the scale required.

5. The Sun

Henry is assuming again. The Sun's apparent movement is caused by the Sun actually moving. As for Eratosthenes's famous experiment to measure the diameter of the Earth, that assumes a Round Earth. If we assume a Flat Earth, the same experiment gives us the distance to the Sun.

6. Stars Change

Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

____

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.

*Yawn*
What is this noise?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Lemmiwinks on December 12, 2014, 05:21:28 PM
Wait... is number 4 literally saying that trigonometry stops working once the distances get too big?

Everyone here has to know thats completely and utter bullcrap right? I mean I get why you would want to get rid of trig, because it is a super easy, super simple, super cheap (maybe even free) way of proving the Earth is round all by yourself, but if thats the reason then just ignore trig and all calls to use it like jroa or legion.

Saying after so many units of measure suddenly a whole branch of math stops functioning is asinine.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: ausGeoff on December 12, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
I'm a newcomer to this site so excuse me if I seem to be pushy or asking questions that have already been answered. I just do not understand the theory. Scientific disagreements aside.

You'll have noticed, considering a week has passed, that the most obvious and well-versed people to answer your questions—the flat earthers—have become embarrassingly noticeable by their absence.

Why, you may ask.  The answer is simple once you've been on these forums long enough to notice it (or 20 minutes, whichever comes first LOL).  They're unable to answer direct questions with direct answers.

You may get some meaningless rhetoric from jroa, or some loony tunes stuff from sceptimatic, or some self-promotion from Heiwa, or even several pages of tedious copypasta from sandokhan and katsung47, but...

Credible, logical, real-world, empirically-based answers?  Not a snowball's chance in hell I'm afraid.

Sorry.    ::)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: The jafa on July 01, 2015, 08:54:07 PM
And where are your mathematics that debunk the 10 reasons we know the Earth is round?

Where are your articles in peer-reviewed journals?

Where are your observations, your photos, your astronauts that have been on the International Space Station?

Where are your GPS systems that work based on the fact we know the Earth is round.

Where are your satellite television network and internet satellites that work based on Flat Earth principles?

Where is your evidence that that the Earth is different and not round like the other planets for no reason at all?

Where is your proof of conspiracies regarding the picture of the Earth? We have hundreds of satellites orbiting Earth at various distances, the only way we can take pictures of some of the celestial objects that astronomers study is by putting satellites in space.

So all the pictures of the other planets being round are true, but the one of the Earth is not?

Excuse me, where is everyone's (by everyone, I mean everyone who believes the nonsense on this board) PhD or engineering degree that actually is responsible for building rockets, satellites, GPS systems, etc?

Seriously, this board is so full of ignorance that I rank you guys lower than Creationists, and I thought that was as low as one could be.

Sir i beieve that his evedence can be found all througout the internet in all the hidden corners, just about anywhere
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: gazza711 on November 18, 2015, 10:33:19 AM
Hi,
I'm a newcomer to this site so excuse me if I seem to be pushy or asking questions that have already been answered. I just do not understand the theory. Scientific disagreements aside.
For me logical thinking can solve this problem in a matter of minutes. Maybe I'm missing something but why would these higher powers, government or other, spend all this time planning an elaborate hoax to convince the people that the Earth is flat?
This makes no sense to me. I'm sure you would agree that a lot of people would have to be involved in this... But for what? What's the upside? You might answer money and power but those things can be acquired in much simpler ways. Another question I wanted to ask is, is this society of the belief that the government has caused events such as 911 and other disasters?  Also does anybody running this have an actual degree in advanced mathematics or physics from any respectable college or university? Thanks so much for your time I appreciate you answering my questions however stupid they may seem to you.
Regards
Im a newbie as well.so you win the space race and you get up there and think-shit-it aint what they said in briefing.um Houston we have a problem-urm-camera evidence-damn.the world aint a sphere.woosh-there goes the entire religious beliefs around the world.world war.maybe our wars were based on who knew the most.JFK got assassinated in the same year man went to the moon.up until 500years ago,everyone but the greeks believed the world was flat.only when columbus finds America-the church change the education.heaven is all around us and so on.europe had discovered corn 1500years before somehow?columbus has said to have been jewish escaping the Spanish inquisition.so if religion doesn't control most of the world in that time,then who knows.internet information is free.if you don't attempt to hide what cant be stopped-just let the nation decide for themselves-anyways why do people come on here challenging peoples beliefs-bored or....
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: QuantumVelocity. on December 16, 2015, 01:19:08 PM
We get this video a lot, so I thought I'd make an easily found thread debunking it. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.

2. Time Zones

This is the first of a trend in this video, in which Henry (the host of MinutePhysics, for those not subscribed) assumes that the Flat Earth is exactly the same as the Round Earth in every way except for shape. The sun works in a manner similar to a spotlight in Flat Earth Theory, which is why time zones exist. When the Sun isn't pointing overhead, it's nighttime.

3. The Coriolis Effect

Once again, Henry is making assumptions. There are a few differing opinions about this, as Flat Earth Theory is not a unified theory. Some people doubt the existence of Coriolis as anything more than a theorized force, as the evidence for it is largely contrived. Others have various explanations for it, such as the Shadow of the Aetheric Wind theorized by myself.

4. Triangles

This is little more than conjecture. It is literally impossible to perform this experiment on the scale required.

5. The Sun

Henry is assuming again. The Sun's apparent movement is caused by the Sun actually moving. As for Eratosthenes's famous experiment to measure the diameter of the Earth, that assumes a Round Earth. If we assume a Flat Earth, the same experiment gives us the distance to the Sun.

6. Stars Change

Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

____

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.

1. You have no evidence or right to say it is, without something support it. You can't just say "They're all different".

2. You have to understand that if this "Flat earth" were for some reason real, there would be no night. The sun would hover over the earth and supply light to that area, right? Wrong. Since the sun is a sphere, not a cone, the light from the sun would flow in all areas. Not just one little circle. If this model of the earth were true, you would be able to see the sun at any point of the day. There is nothing blocking the sun at 1 in the morning, so you would be able to see it.

3. Just... No.

4. It's perfectly possible and has been done.

5. Just because you see the sun moving doesn't mean it actually is. If you're in a car traveling 5 miles per hour, and look outside the window, you're seeing that rock move in the opposite direction, where as it's actually not.

6. Polaris. And if it supplies the same effect, there is no reason to believe one theory or the other in this scenario.

8. Again, here you are going and making crazy assumptions, despire the theory in general. Don't just make assumptions that it's just a visual effect, where as it's been proven with science.

9. And once again, you're assuming things that haven't had one bit of proof since the 16th centrury, and even then, it was just told by the Church

10. The whole idea of this "conspiracy theory" is all just garbage, and doesn't prove anything at all. You can literally reply to any fact with "It's just a conspiracy". It doesn't show anything. It just proves the flat earth theory even more wrong.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on December 16, 2015, 01:24:26 PM
This is not a debate forum; it is a Q&A forum.  Please, make a new thread in the debate section if you want to refute any of these points. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Empirical on January 06, 2016, 02:13:22 PM
So basically because your idiots, the earth is flat.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Erland on January 16, 2016, 05:15:01 AM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 16, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Erland on January 17, 2016, 02:18:15 PM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
If the stars are very distant compared to distances on the Earth, then Polaris would be seen at the same altitude in the sky, independent of the location, if the Earth is flat. But it doesn't.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Empirical on January 17, 2016, 04:19:48 PM
The FET has no working model of the stars, they have to borrow RETs one, which doesn't fit.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 17, 2016, 05:39:54 PM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
If the stars are very distant compared to distances on the Earth, then Polaris would be seen at the same altitude in the sky, independent of the location, if the Earth is flat. But it doesn't.

What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away? 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Brouwer on January 17, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away?
That... would... mean... what exactly?

(whatever it means, we all know that 3000 miles is an impossible distance)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 17, 2016, 09:52:12 PM
What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away?
That... would... mean... what exactly?

(whatever it means, we all know that 3000 miles is an impossible distance)

That would mean the opposite of what the person that I was responding to said.  Do you even read the threads that you respond to?  Just wondering. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Empirical on January 18, 2016, 12:16:52 AM
Then you wouldn't have any stars never setting in the southern hemisphere.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 18, 2016, 12:32:02 AM
Then you wouldn't have any stars never setting in the southern hemisphere.

Have you ever heard of a double negative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative)?  If you avoid these, your statements might be more clear. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Brouwer on January 18, 2016, 01:04:35 AM
That would mean the opposite of what the person that I was responding to said.  Do you even read the threads that you respond to?  Just wondering.
I read. Just wondering if you ever thought this 3000 miles could work.  But since you believe in this stuff, you haven't.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 18, 2016, 01:22:00 AM
That would mean the opposite of what the person that I was responding to said.  Do you even read the threads that you respond to?  Just wondering.
I read. Just wondering if you ever thought this 3000 miles could work.  But since you believe in this stuff, you haven't.

What?  Perhaps you can rephrase your statement in a way that doesn't make you seem illiterate? 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Empirical on January 18, 2016, 11:21:07 AM
Then you wouldn't have any stars never setting in the southern hemisphere.

Have you ever heard of a double negative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative)?  If you avoid these, your statements might be more clear.
Ok, in the southern hemisphere you wouldn't have stars that always stay above the horizon for the whole night.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 18, 2016, 11:56:37 AM
Then you wouldn't have any stars never setting in the southern hemisphere.

Have you ever heard of a double negative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative)?  If you avoid these, your statements might be more clear.
Ok, in the southern hemisphere you wouldn't have stars that always stay above the horizon for the whole night.

Which stars are these?  ???
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Empirical on January 18, 2016, 01:22:13 PM
If your at the most southern points of Africa, South America and Australia, part of the southen cross will never go below the horision, I can see no way that this can work on a flat earth.

Edit: Your probably going to reply with "Have you been to all these places and seen this yourself", no I haven't, I know they never go below the horizon from star maps. And unlike a map of the earth, a map of the stars isn't posible to fake successfully, you can easily check the map is correct from looking at the sky at night. If the star maps were faked, some astronomers would of noticed.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 18, 2016, 01:32:32 PM
If your at the most southern points of Africa, South America and Australia, part of the southen cross will never go below the horision, I can see no way that this can work on a flat earth.

Edit: Your probably going to reply with "Have you been to all these places and seen this yourself", no I haven't, I know they never go below the horizon from star maps. And unlike a map of the earth, a map of the stars isn't posible to fake successfully, you can easily check the map is correct from looking at the sky at night. If the star maps were faked, some astronomers would of noticed.

Could it be than when you are very far south, you are simply closer to these stars? 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Empirical on January 18, 2016, 01:40:28 PM
How can a star be seen from three different places in the southern hemisphere, but not be seen at the north pole which is inbetween the three places.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By3xuzrccYkqS1hBMVR3YjZHT1E/view?usp=sharing
Am I right to say that a star is only seen if it is less than a certain distance to you.
How can a person at all of the red dots be able to see the same star by not be able the north star?
And how can that star be south of all three people?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on January 18, 2016, 03:30:45 PM
Good point.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on January 21, 2016, 05:59:02 AM
First point:  "It is proven that the ship does not sink behind a hill of water, but that it is actually perspective which hides it." 

Rebuttal:  There is no "hill" of water.  Water—being a fluid—finds its own level.  And that level follows, nominally, the curvature of the earth's surface beneath it.  To put it scientifically, the surface of the oceans and seas, either individually or collectively, will be situated at exactly the same distance from the earth's centre of gravity.  This, in itself, plus the "sinking ship" illusion, proves the earth's sphericity.  Flat earthers repeatedly misuse the term "perspective" to justify their observations whilst not understanding the technical ramifications of the word.

Second point:  "Occam's Razor proves the earth is flat".

Rebuttal:  Occam's Razor says that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected as the correct one, but—and this is where the flat earth reliance on Occam falls down—other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct.  Occam's Razor does not "prove" any two postulates one way or the other.  In other words it doesn't provide any proof—in itself—that the earth is flat or spherical.  Only science can prove that either way.

Third point:  "The Conspiracy, by virtue of its purported existence, proves that the spherical earth model is incorrect due to willful misinformation.

Rebuttal:  No worldwide conspiracy to delude the public's perception of the geometry of the earth has ever been exposed.  Any "conspiracy" exists only in the collective imaginations of flat earth proponents, and is utilised simply to replace valid scientific theories that refute their flat earth hypothesis.  No flat earther has yet been able to explain why a flat earth scenario would favour any particular individual and/or organisation, or, conversely, what advantages the spherical earth model grants any individual and/or organisation.

First point:
The RE model predicts that water will hide the ship bellow the horizon. To put in another way: RE predicts that the ship will go bellow our eyeline, and since the water is at our eyeline, it is therefore in front of the ship it hides (or at first, its bottom). That means, when you look at the ship with a telescope, you will just see the water in front of that ship. But that's not the case. On the other hand, the variants of the FE model predict that: a) the bottom of the far away ship will be hidden by the waves in front of it. b) the ship will become so small that its top and tho bottom can't be distinguished by a human eye. c) (EA model) simply less percentage of the light from the bottom would come to your eye than of the top of the ship. d) the atmosphere would make the bottom of the ship look too white for a human eye to distinguish it from the sea far away, but still not far enough that the top can't be distinguished (keeping in mind that both are apparently very small compared to the waves) e)…
All of those models predict that the ship would become visible by zooming the picture. And that is what telescopes do (OK, I am a bit oversimplifying this, complete explanation would include trigonometry which I don't understand either.). So, they used them to test the FET, and it proved correct again and again. Yeah, I also think that the Flat Earth Wiki is poorly written.

Second point:
Well, try and explain someone who hasn't been indoctrinated into RE that there are people walking upside down bellow us, that they are separated from us by the fluid rocks, that the sun during the night is actually not farther from us but bellow us, that we are all spinning at a very high rate without noticing it, that there are not thousands of stars (as we can see during the night), but billions of them, separated by billions of kilometers, that massive objects (such as satellites) would start flying if moving fast enough, that the moon gets its light from the sun (even though it does not appear to when you see it during the day), that, even though they appear to be the same size, the sun is hundreds of times bigger than the moon, and that we can actually see the incomprehensibly far sun even though we can't see more than a few hundred kilometers of land, that the sun actually doesn't move, but we are, that above us the laws of nature we are used to (objects falling, hot objects burning…) don't work…
I could go on forever. And even when you convince someone, you don't make him to get rid of misconceptions, you make him have more. For instance, that flying objects have something that we don't in them that can stop gravity from attracting them, that airplanes can fly without constantly correcting their path…
I've never heard that someone figured out the existence of times zones based only on the RE theory.
Accepting that the earth is round is not science, it is anti-science. Knowledge cannot go contrary to the experience.

Third point:
It is obvious why would someone want to delude the public that there are other worlds to explore: So that they can ask for money for the exploration. And, yeah, we haven't proven that NASA wasn't on the moon, but almost any of their photographs has been proven to be fake (or at least altered). So much about it. And if you are going to claim that they just look faked, but aren't (that there are some poorly explained optical illusions in them), ask yourself what is more likely.

Sorry for being so wordy, I became a FE-er only recently.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Really WWW.TF? on January 22, 2016, 07:53:30 PM
You know I just saw the YouTube video They Are Hiding God With The Greatest Lie EVER! video on Doktor James channel. I watched it earlier today, all 2:06:20 of it and was really fascinated and having an open mind even showed my wife when she came home under the guise that I did not believe in it but that it made interesting points. She immediately called BS on the scene however she indulged me. When we got to the part where we were supposed to pick a city from group 1 and group 2 to see if we could get a direct flight she had enough and got up and found Quantas flight# 27 (https://www.google.com/#q=flight+from+sydney+to+santiago (https://www.google.com/#q=flight+from+sydney+to+santiago)) flying 5 times a week direct got up looked at me laughed and walked away. I then went here (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1344&bih=740&q=sydney+to+santiago+flight+time&revid=1608614350&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj9tNTU9L7KAhWGNz4KHQcrDEAQ1QIIZSgE#q=sydney+to+santiago+flight+time+and+speed (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1344&bih=740&q=sydney+to+santiago+flight+time&revid=1608614350&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj9tNTU9L7KAhWGNz4KHQcrDEAQ1QIIZSgE#q=sydney+to+santiago+flight+time+and+speed)) determined to help you Flat Earthers out in your argument even if only to save face.  I then found this (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=61991.0#.VqLqk2fSnL8 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=61991.0#.VqLqk2fSnL8)) and this (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64515.0#.VqL0gmfSnL8 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64515.0#.VqL0gmfSnL8)). I spent about an hour using the search function as User Pongo the Planar Moderator suggested. I have now wasted about 2hrs of my life not counting the video trying to convince myself and thus my wife if only just a little to at least accept the possibility however improbable it may be. Now  coming into this final thread still with an open mind I would quite frankly like an answer to this quandary that is
Quantas flight# 27 that is
A direct 12hr 30min flight that should not exist on any flat earth model.
Now I have clearly done my homework and I believe I deserve a direct answer because quite frankly (and not offend the way in fact that user Pongo did in a very righteous condescending way) the list of the top 10 reasons debunked sound like pagan misguided answers to basic elementary scientific questions.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: southman on January 27, 2016, 11:46:32 AM
Hi,
I'm a newcomer to this site so excuse me if I seem to be pushy or asking questions that have already been answered. I just do not understand the theory. Scientific disagreements aside.
For me logical thinking can solve this problem in a matter of minutes. Maybe I'm missing something but why would these higher powers, government or other, spend all this time planning an elaborate hoax to convince the people that the Earth is flat?
This makes no sense to me. I'm sure you would agree that a lot of people would have to be involved in this... But for what? What's the upside? You might answer money and power but those things can be acquired in much simpler ways. Another question I wanted to ask is, is this society of the belief that the government has caused events such as 911 and other disasters?  Also does anybody running this have an actual degree in advanced mathematics or physics from any respectable college or university? Thanks so much for your time I appreciate you answering my questions however stupid they may seem to you.
Regards

Hello

Im also a newcomer to the site and also to the FE  theory itself. But to answer your question about WHY they should even bother lying to us about the earths shape is about aliens i believe! I havent really put myself in to the FE theory as i said, but there seems to be a COMING conspiracy about earth being invaded by aliens and this is why they have the heliocentric model, simply because it allows it. There is many evidence that powerful peeps really want aliens to be a factor in our world...WHY...yes that is another question!

 Just look at the videos on youtube when they talk about how good it would be if we where invaded by an alien race, the idea has been talked about in UN long time ago by presidents of both US and Russia!

One smart dude ones said that the best indication of what the powers want in the future is to look at the children's programmes on TV, nowdays they all show aliens and deep space shit... this is pointing to an alien conspiracy in the future when they have gotten many to believe in them.

One thing is sure, aliens will be a big part of our reality in the future...real or not!

I dont know, but this is my theory anyway... its much talk about aliens nowdays, before it was none that ever saw any aliens, back then they where called angels... always some beings that control conditions on earth when infact there are MEN fucking things up to control the rest!

The ones that live will see ;)


Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Keanu_Reeves on January 27, 2016, 07:58:14 PM
With all due respect, are you kidding me? Do you seriously live in 2016 and believe the earth is flat? With all of modern physics, videos and pictures from Earth, astronauts, programs like SpaceX, NASA, moon landings, satellites, and the existence of gravity, you honestly believe the earth is flat? How thick is it? Where does gravity come from? What is the bottom of the earth like? Why hasn't anyone ever been there? Why hasn't anyone ever, in the history of mankind, fallen off the earth? Ask anybody who has ever taken a basics physics class in high school, ask literally anyone who has ever been on an airplane and looked out of a window where you can obviously see curvature of the earth... explain google earth, explain how a global positioning system works... What makes the earth different from any other planet? Why should the earth be flat, where is the evidence to suggest that earth is different than any other planet? Where did this idea even come from? Is it some politicized attempt to defund space exploration programs, or is it just to get attention? You are suggesting that essentially everything we know about physics and gravitation is wrong, which is absurd, and as I am fairly certain this entire website is a troll anyway, I will end Dar my post here. Let it be known that I personally think anyone who believes the earth is flat is a moron, and next you're gonna be telling me Zeus and Thor are real. Farewell.
-Keanu_Reeves
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 27, 2016, 10:35:11 PM
Welcome to the forum.  Please make new threads to ask your own questions.  This thread is about debunking the video Top 10 Reasons Why We Know the Earth is Round.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: MrAltoids on February 04, 2016, 01:06:08 AM
I find the repeated use of the word "theory" and "theorist" offensive. The scientific community does not theorize, and does not have theorists. A theory is awarded that title after a hypothesis has been proven, or at least has enough scientific evidence to warrant it's likelihood of being correct.

The FEs don't have that. They have iffy mathematics, absolutely no scientific research, and the opinions of people who judge their "senses" or their "eyes" in telling them that the Earth is flat.  Therefore, everything is a hypothesis. There is no Flat Earth Theory, it is a Flat Earth Hypothesis.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Dicknob Johnson on February 04, 2016, 06:41:50 AM
We get this video a lot, so I thought I'd make an easily found thread debunking it. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.

2. Time Zones

This is the first of a trend in this video, in which Henry (the host of MinutePhysics, for those not subscribed) assumes that the Flat Earth is exactly the same as the Round Earth in every way except for shape. The sun works in a manner similar to a spotlight in Flat Earth Theory, which is why time zones exist. When the Sun isn't pointing overhead, it's nighttime.

3. The Coriolis Effect

Once again, Henry is making assumptions. There are a few differing opinions about this, as Flat Earth Theory is not a unified theory. Some people doubt the existence of Coriolis as anything more than a theorized force, as the evidence for it is largely contrived. Others have various explanations for it, such as the Shadow of the Aetheric Wind theorized by myself.

4. Triangles

This is little more than conjecture. It is literally impossible to perform this experiment on the scale required.

5. The Sun  http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84915258/ (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84915258/) See video!!!!!!!!

Henry is assuming again. The Sun's apparent movement is caused by the Sun actually moving. As for Eratosthenes's famous experiment to measure the diameter of the Earth, that assumes a Round Earth. If we assume a Flat Earth, the same experiment gives us the distance to the Sun.

6. Stars Change

Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

____

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Dicknob Johnson on February 04, 2016, 06:44:26 AM
See video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84915258/ (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84915258/)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on February 05, 2016, 01:56:49 AM
That experiment does not prove the RE, it presupposes the RE. And then it tries to calculate the diameter of the Earth.
Now, suppose that the Earth is flat and that the Sun is only a few thousand kilometers up in the sky. What would you expect? Exactly the same result! Let me explain why: the birds get apparently lower in the sky as they go farther from you, because of trigonometry (contrary to popular belief, this has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth). The same reason why things on the Earth seem to get closer to the horizon line as they go farther and farther. And the same happens with the Sun in the sky. You simply see it in a different angle depending where you are. Think about this: imagine that you are on the top of some building and trying to determine the distance from another building, and that you know exactly how high those buildings are. You would measure the angle at which you would see the top of that building. And the SMALLER the angle is, the FARTHER is the that building. And you calculate how far using the trigonometry, and not using the fact that the Earth is round. The same happens with the Sun on the FE. Now suppose you find two equally high buildings, and knowing their distance, you measure the angle to the third building you try to determine the distance to. If you (highly hypothetically) see the third building at the angle of sixty degrees, you would correctly assume that the distance to the third building is the same as the distance between the first two buildings. Of course, you probably wouldn't get an angle of sixty degrees, or thirty, or forty-five degrees, so you would have to use trigonometry.
And that is exactly how the FE-ers try to get the distance to the Sun! They try to measure the angle at which you see the Sun from two locations, and apply the same formulas they would use to calculate distances between buildings. And the results always vary between 4000 kilometers and 5000 kilometers. And that is probably the result of, let's say, not measuring at the same time (the Sun's movement), measuring during cloudy day (refraction), and so on.
And the sunset is simply the Sun going FARTHER than the horizon, so that it apparently merges with the horizon line. The sunrise is exactly the opposite. That's that simple. Some RE-ers would argue that this is impossible because we see the bottoms of the clouds being illuminated during the sunset, but, in fact, both the top and the bottom are illuminated and we see only the bottom.
As for the RE astronomy? RE astronomy is based on an assumption that the Earth is round. And that isn't backed up with solid evidence. Just like there being many astrologers doesn't prove that it is correct, so doesn't there being many astronomers.
As for Neil, degree he has is irrelevant to the statements he makes. There are many doctors who claim that MMS can cure autism, and their degree doesn't prove that.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on February 07, 2016, 02:13:29 AM
"9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same."

A lunar eclipse is when the shadow of the Earth falls on the moon.  The moon and the sun are far apart.  Full moons are always farthest from the sun, so there's no way the moon is going behind the sun.

Also, if the moon went behind the sun it would be during a new moon, at daytime (if we were to see it) and we wouldn't even notice it.
Yes, Tausami apparently wasn't informed about this issue. Weird, FEW is full of explanations for lunar eclipses.
However, we also know that RE explanation for lunar eclipses is wrong. It simply can't be caused by a shadow of the Earth. Let me explain: on the Earth, if you make a shadow of a sphere it (or at the most cases only its edges) would seem reddish, but that's because the light around that sphere is dispersed by air and particles of dust, and so on. That doesn't exist in space, so the Earths shadow on the Moon should cause the Moon to be completely dark (like the Sun during solar eclipses), but that's obviously not the case. The Earth's atmosphere is too thin to cause the dispersion, it goes only as high as 1% of the diameter of the Earth (in RE model). Let me rephrase that: In space, where there is no air or particles or anything that would cause refraction, all the rays of light should go at a straight line, so that no light would come to the objects in the shadow.
So, most of the FE-ers argue that the lunar eclipses are caused by a semi-transparent "shadow object" being between the Sun and the Moon.
I don't think that's the simplest explanation. First of all, the notion of the Moon getting its light from the Sun doesn't seem justified to me. I think that the simplest explanation is that only half of the Moon (one hemisphere) emits light, and that the Moon rotates. As for the spots on the Moon, I would suggest that there is some semi-transparent layer with spots covering the Moon, but not rotating with it.
As for the lunar eclipses, I think that we should claim that that the "shadow object" goes between us and the Moon, exactly as it appears.
And, in my geography textbook, the largest RE apologetic I've ever read, is a picture showing that the Moon's orbit around the Earth is at the same angle as the Earth's orbit around the Sun. Based on that, you could conclude that you never see a full moon, but a lunar eclipse instead. So, my hypothesis is way closer to the truth than that one.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on February 07, 2016, 10:10:39 AM
With all due respect, are you kidding me? Do you seriously live in 2016 and believe the earth is flat? With all of modern physics, videos and pictures from Earth, astronauts, programs like SpaceX, NASA, moon landings, satellites, and the existence of gravity, you honestly believe the earth is flat? How thick is it? Where does gravity come from? What is the bottom of the earth like? Why hasn't anyone ever been there? Why hasn't anyone ever, in the history of mankind, fallen off the earth? Ask anybody who has ever taken a basics physics class in high school, ask literally anyone who has ever been on an airplane and looked out of a window where you can obviously see curvature of the earth... explain google earth, explain how a global positioning system works... What makes the earth different from any other planet? Why should the earth be flat, where is the evidence to suggest that earth is different than any other planet? Where did this idea even come from? Is it some politicized attempt to defund space exploration programs, or is it just to get attention? You are suggesting that essentially everything we know about physics and gravitation is wrong, which is absurd, and as I am fairly certain this entire website is a troll anyway, I will end Dar my post here. Let it be known that I personally think anyone who believes the earth is flat is a moron, and next you're gonna be telling me Zeus and Thor are real. Farewell.
-Keanu_Reeves
You are trying to emotionally abuse FE-ers, right? That means that you don't have any rational justification for your claim that the Earth is round!
And the only reason people like you believe that the Earth is round is because Aristotle, who was one of the few who believed that the Earth is round, happened to be the teacher of Alexander the Great. So, people considered him to be an authority for thousands of years.
His arguments were: a) Stars shift. b) Sinking ship illusion c) the "shadow of the Earth" during lunar eclipse being round.
All of them, as you can see on this board, have been debunked.
I am not saying that Aristotle wasn't a smart guy, after all, his arguments are brilliant… Considering that he knew less about science than a fifth grader. But it takes very little knowledge of science to understand why his arguments are fallacious.
If only someone else happened to be the teacher of Alexander the Great, we, the society as a whole, would be way more skeptical and probably closer to the truth.
And now NASA, and other "space agencies", use our lack of skepticism to collect money for the fake space exploration. They are convincing us that they know about other worlds, that they will make us the masters of the universe, something that they can't even prove to exist.
People, it's 21st century. And you still believe the conspiracy instead of your senses. You believe that there are people bellow us separated from us by the fluid rocks. You believe that what you walk on is spinning at a speed you can't even comprehend. You believe all kinds of things you can't justify, or even explain in terms of what our senses tell us.
But now those space agencies are in crisis. They won't be able to hide that they don't know how to get to space. They are now collecting money from us by telling us they will let us travel the space. But after a few decades, they will be forced to tell us the truth.
What then? Our children will be laughing at us.How could we believe that? Were we all drunk to think that the entire world is spinning? Did we all have astigmatism so that we thought that what we walk on is curved? Were we all delusional to think that there were other worlds, that one they we would visit them?
Hey, I will be able to tell them that I knew that the Earth is flat before the space agencies fall apart. I will, if there is this website in a few decades, show them that I argued for that using science I had learned in school and actually thought about.
But what will you say to your children mocking you? You will say that you believed the majority, even though you knew that it is completely wrong? That you knew about Hitler being chosen by the majority, but still thought that majority is always right?
Hey, even if I happen to be wrong, I will say that I made the wrong conclusion form the wrong facts that, in our school, they presented to us as science. That they made no sense, and that I thought they would make sense if the Earth was flat. And I will explain to them in details what I am talking about, and they will have a lot fewer misconceptions about the world around them than what I, and probably you, do.
But what if you happen to be wrong?
And about GPS? Well I already made a thread about what I think about it, so I am going to link to it, because I really hate to repeat myself. You have to repeat yourself because more often you tell a lie, more likely people are to believe that. I don't think we have to do that.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65649.0#.VreFPOm0JEc (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65649.0#.VreFPOm0JEc)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on February 14, 2016, 10:02:39 AM
Wait... is number 4 literally saying that trigonometry stops working once the distances get too big?

Everyone here has to know thats completely and utter bullcrap right? I mean I get why you would want to get rid of trig, because it is a super easy, super simple, super cheap (maybe even free) way of proving the Earth is round all by yourself, but if thats the reason then just ignore trig and all calls to use it like jroa or legion.

Saying after so many units of measure suddenly a whole branch of math stops functioning is asinine.
No, it said that it is impossible to move at a straight line over a large distance needed for that experiment. Just try to ride a bike blindfolded. What? Why can't you? Even if the road is completely straight, the friction acting from one side of a bike is greater than the friction acting from the other side of a bike, causing it to go in a large circle, rather than in a straight line.
And the same goes for airplanes: there is always some wind up in the air causing it to move out of the airline. And, if not controlled, it will crash pretty quickly, wouldn't it?
Now, I guess you will bring a compass into the story. Well, look, the north pole, on the FE, is right at the center. And the needle of a compass, then, always points right to the center of the plane. So, unless you try to move precisely north or south, a compass will actually not make you move at a straight line. And if you try to move precisely east or west, using that compass, it will make you move in a large circle.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: NASA VP on February 15, 2016, 01:49:25 AM
Earth is a bumpy sphere:D

https://www.facebook.com/BiblicalDiarrhea/posts/591529930993999 (https://www.facebook.com/BiblicalDiarrhea/posts/591529930993999)

Also, one of Elat Earthers just explaind to me why i am wrong and he is right about the Sun:

Entropian201211:52 AM
 
+Biblical Diarrhea  Maybe the sun stays there for no other reason then god wills it.  All we know about the sun is what we can observe and what the scientific organizations tell us and show us.  And for all we know they are corrupt.  I'm not saying that is the case but it is possible that we are living in a scientific dictatorship with the purpose to hide the truth. Again this may be pure paranoia on my part it's a plausible and intriguing idea. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Erland on February 21, 2016, 03:47:11 AM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
If the stars are very distant compared to distances on the Earth, then Polaris would be seen at the same altitude in the sky, independent of the location, if the Earth is flat. But it doesn't.

What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away?
Then the constellations would have different shapes seen from different locations. They don't.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: racionador on February 21, 2016, 05:51:09 AM
only i feel kind of a lack of  humility here?
the title just say ""debunked"", like they dont want to give to the other side (the ones how believe in a ball earth) any chance for defense.

this is another thing that bother me about flat earth society, not just here but all that videos on youtube with title like, ""irrefutable evidence'' like a arrogant child that dont want to listen to the parents
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 21, 2016, 06:11:19 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: racionador on February 21, 2016, 06:15:35 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???

and you are different?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 21, 2016, 06:20:11 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???

and you are different?

Yes, I actually question what authorities tell me to believe.  :-\
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: racionador on February 21, 2016, 06:22:06 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???

and you are different?

Yes, I actually question what authorities tell me to believe.  :-\
everyone do that, galileu galilei do that when use a telescope
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 21, 2016, 06:27:18 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???

and you are different?

Yes, I actually question what authorities tell me to believe.  :-\
everyone do that, galileu galilei do that when use a telescope

Galileo was under house arrest for the rest of his life, and was almost executed for doing that.  Scientists lose their jobs when their employers are not happy with their findings.  Teachers get kicked out of school for teaching against the approved curriculum.  And politicians are taken out of office for going against the grain.  Sorry, but your argument is rubbish.  :-\
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: racionador on February 21, 2016, 06:36:29 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???

and you are different?

Yes, I actually question what authorities tell me to believe.  :-\
everyone do that, galileu galilei do that when use a telescope

Galileo was under house arrest for the rest of his life, and was almost executed for doing that.  Scientists lose their jobs when their employers are not happy with their findings.  Teachers get kicked out of school for teaching against the approved curriculum.  And politicians are taken out of office for going against the grain.  Sorry, but your argument is rubbish.  :-\
still was enought to make the world view of earth change, schools todays are not the same as 1400 years.
a scientist today is not more fired because say something different, actually they are payed today to do that
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 21, 2016, 06:41:40 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???

and you are different?

Yes, I actually question what authorities tell me to believe.  :-\
everyone do that, galileu galilei do that when use a telescope

Galileo was under house arrest for the rest of his life, and was almost executed for doing that.  Scientists lose their jobs when their employers are not happy with their findings.  Teachers get kicked out of school for teaching against the approved curriculum.  And politicians are taken out of office for going against the grain.  Sorry, but your argument is rubbish.  :-\
still was enought to make the world view of earth change, schools todays are not the same as 1400 years.
a scientist today is not more fired because say something different, actually they are payed today to do that

I did not know there were different degrees of being fired.  I thought that fired meant fired.  ???

Do you think the cigarette scientists would have kept their jobs very long if they said that tobacco is bad for you? 

Do you think the climate change scientists would have kept their jobs very long if the said that climate change is natural?

Scientists get paid to produce results... the results that their employer expects them to produce.

Are you dumb and naive, or is this satire?  ???
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on February 21, 2016, 06:48:40 AM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
If the stars are very distant compared to distances on the Earth, then Polaris would be seen at the same altitude in the sky, independent of the location, if the Earth is flat. But it doesn't.

What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away?
Then the constellations would have different shapes seen from different locations. They don't.
But they do. Orion, for example, is upside down if you are in Australia.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 21, 2016, 06:49:58 AM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
If the stars are very distant compared to distances on the Earth, then Polaris would be seen at the same altitude in the sky, independent of the location, if the Earth is flat. But it doesn't.

What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away?
Then the constellations would have different shapes seen from different locations. They don't.
But they do. Orion, for example, is upside down if you are in Australia.

I think the roundies are just making up more excuses in their head, lol. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Erland on February 21, 2016, 01:10:51 PM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
If the stars are very distant compared to distances on the Earth, then Polaris would be seen at the same altitude in the sky, independent of the location, if the Earth is flat. But it doesn't.

What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away?
Then the constellations would have different shapes seen from different locations. They don't.
But they do. Orion, for example, is upside down if you are in Australia.
Of course, but it's shape doesn't change, nor its (apparent) size.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: inquisitive on February 21, 2016, 01:16:21 PM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
If the stars are very distant compared to distances on the Earth, then Polaris would be seen at the same altitude in the sky, independent of the location, if the Earth is flat. But it doesn't.

What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away?
Then the constellations would have different shapes seen from different locations. They don't.
But they do. Orion, for example, is upside down if you are in Australia.

I think the roundies are just making up more excuses in their head, lol.
Is it not upside down?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 21, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
So how do you FE:ers explain that the Pole star (Polaris) appears at the same spot in the sky at every location, but at different altitudes at different latitudes?

What?  ???
If the stars are very distant compared to distances on the Earth, then Polaris would be seen at the same altitude in the sky, independent of the location, if the Earth is flat. But it doesn't.

What if the stars were only around 3000 miles away?
Then the constellations would have different shapes seen from different locations. They don't.
But they do. Orion, for example, is upside down if you are in Australia.

I think the roundies are just making up more excuses in their head, lol.
Is it not upside down?

Would it not be upside down on a flat Earth?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Erland on February 21, 2016, 02:44:13 PM
Come on now... An object which is turned upside down does not change its shape, nor its size.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on February 22, 2016, 05:28:41 AM
Come on now... An object which is turned upside down does not change its shape, nor its size.
Celestial objects near the horizon are apparently magnified by the atmosphere, if that is what you ask. That's not unfeasible as it might seem at first. It happens every time you see a mirage. The light goes through multiple refractions caused by the different air density and different temperatures. And the different light rays go at a slightly different angle, but after lots of refractions, they can make the object appear much bigger than it actually is, but preserving the shape. The constant speed of the Sun can be explained in the same way.
But such things really sometimes make me doubt the FET myself. You should notice that it is impossible to predict those paths of light rays, yet they should somehow always cancel the perspective effect of celestial objects very far from us getting smaller and smaller. Why doesn't it make the things look even smaller? I mean, the light rays from those celestial bodies sometimes enter the atmosphere from a very different angle (some constellations are very big), so shouldn't we expect them to go at the very different paths (sometimes getting closer instead of farther from each other)? Why does it seem to preserve the shapes of the Sun, the Moon, and even the constellations (when other mirages mostly don't preserve the shapes)?
This is similar to the RE-ers claiming that the Sun and the Moon appear exactly the same size because of an enormous coincidence.
But I guess there might be some law of nature we haven't discovered yet that makes it so.
Also, this theory is falsifiable. Take a high altitude photograph with an exposure time long enough that we can see the shapes of constellations. If they are the same as if looked from the ground, you've falsified the FET. And if they are different, you've proven the FET.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 22, 2016, 06:30:00 AM
Come on now... An object which is turned upside down does not change its shape, nor its size.

No one said Orion changed shape or size.  It simply changes orientation.  Please don't make things up.  It only makes you look foolish. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: racionador on February 22, 2016, 09:53:52 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???

and you are different?

Yes, I actually question what authorities tell me to believe.  :-\
everyone do that, galileu galilei do that when use a telescope

Galileo was under house arrest for the rest of his life, and was almost executed for doing that.  Scientists lose their jobs when their employers are not happy with their findings.  Teachers get kicked out of school for teaching against the approved curriculum.  And politicians are taken out of office for going against the grain.  Sorry, but your argument is rubbish.  :-\
still was enought to make the world view of earth change, schools todays are not the same as 1400 years.
a scientist today is not more fired because say something different, actually they are payed today to do that

I did not know there were different degrees of being fired.  I thought that fired meant fired.  ???

Do you think the cigarette scientists would have kept their jobs very long if they said that tobacco is bad for you? 

Do you think the climate change scientists would have kept their jobs very long if the said that climate change is natural?

Scientists get paid to produce results... the results that their employer expects them to produce.

Are you dumb and naive, or is this satire?  ???
you know that theres a difference between base science and applied science??

this science that you talking is the applied one, the one wheres we use what we already know to find pratical aplications.

BASE science is the science of finding knowledge for the pure pursuit of knowledge, that how a monk (mendel) discovery how DNA pass from a generation to other, we was not payed for some organization to do that he do as a hobby.

please study about base and applied science before talk bullshit.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Erland on February 22, 2016, 02:54:15 PM
Come on now... An object which is turned upside down does not change its shape, nor its size.
Celestial objects near the horizon are apparently magnified by the atmosphere, if that is what you ask. That's not unfeasible as it might seem at first. It happens every time you see a mirage. The light goes through multiple refractions caused by the different air density and different temperatures. And the different light rays go at a slightly different angle, but after lots of refractions, they can make the object appear much bigger than it actually is, but preserving the shape. The constant speed of the Sun can be explained in the same way.
But such things really sometimes make me doubt the FET myself. You should notice that it is impossible to predict those paths of light rays, yet they should somehow always cancel the perspective effect of celestial objects very far from us getting smaller and smaller. Why doesn't it make the things look even smaller? I mean, the light rays from those celestial bodies sometimes enter the atmosphere from a very different angle (some constellations are very big), so shouldn't we expect them to go at the very different paths (sometimes getting closer instead of farther from each other)? Why does it seem to preserve the shapes of the Sun, the Moon, and even the constellations (when other mirages mostly don't preserve the shapes)?
This is similar to the RE-ers claiming that the Sun and the Moon appear exactly the same size because of an enormous coincidence.
But I guess there might be some law of nature we haven't discovered yet that makes it so.
Also, this theory is falsifiable. Take a high altitude photograph with an exposure time long enough that we can see the shapes of constellations. If they are the same as if looked from the ground, you've falsified the FET. And if they are different, you've proven the FET.
You're right to doubt FET. Atmospheric refraction changes the apparent direction of the light, but very little. About half a degree near horizon. It is a fact that the apparent sizes and shapes of the constellation are the same from wherever on Earth you look. Mirages would never be so consistent. You can't build a consistent theory of refractions and mirages which can explain that if the stars were just a few thousand miles away. Btw, how do FE-ers explain that the Sun and the Moon have approximately the same apparent sizes?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Round and Proud on March 11, 2016, 09:13:27 AM
Are not the RE'ers the more arrogant ones, saying things, like, "No, because I was taught (such and such) in school, so you must be wrong."  ???

Seriously? In less than two  hours on this board I have been called a sock puppet and told to call a masterbation hot line, told math is voodoo and all but called a liar when I said I worked for years around Nukes and know how they work.

So far every few Pro FE people have even attempted to have an informed debate without stooping to name calling.

Then when asked to prove the specifics of why my math or other evidence is wrong, the name caller doubles down or goes silent.

The physicist's math is correct. How do I know for sure? Because the computer and internet I'm using to post this to you works, if the math was wrong, it wouldn't.

UA is interesting, the flaw is that it DOES violate E=MC2. To maintain 1g and keep me weighing far to much ;), Earth and us with it would exceed the speed of light in just about 2 years. The stars would all shift to the UV side of the spectrum as we approached them and those that we were going away from would turn violet.  That is unless you think the laws of physics only apply on Earth.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 12, 2016, 11:51:30 AM
It is cute how you are trying to use a Newtonian calculation to solve a Relativistic problem.  Perhaps you should not limit your scientific knowledge to high school level physics?  Lol
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Garbage on March 17, 2016, 08:54:58 AM
Does FE discard relativity?

If the cylindrical earth is constantly accelerating at 9.81 m/s^2, we would reach the speed of light (impossible for objects with mass) in...

t= deltaV/a = 299 792 458/9.81 = 30559883.59 s, or 0.97 years, given that we started at rest. This is impossible but I saw somebody on here talk about super luminal velocity so lets go with it. Lets throw Einstein out the window, and with him nuclear power, GPS, and everything else, and say that the earth can constantly accelerate in this manner. What provides the force for this acceleration? Do the stars also move with the earth? Given that we accelerate with no bounds in FE theory, wouldnt that mean that stars would eventually dissapear under the horizon, never to be seen again? Since they dont, they move with us. Which means that not only the earth is special, but the stars we see are also special. Nice, you got a new addidion to your theory.

If the sun is a disk shaped spotlight, why does it always look round? If the sun is a disk, would not seem oval in shape the further away it is? Or is this simply due to refraction/electromagnetic acceleration?

Also please explain the orbit of satelites, and why they work differently above the earth. How many of you hold degrees in physics, astronomy or engineering?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 17, 2016, 10:11:15 AM
lol, another one who thinks that you can use Newtonian calculations to solve a relativistic problem.  He even implies that he is using a relativistic formula in his first sentence.  This is hilarious. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Garbage on March 17, 2016, 03:48:24 PM
lol, another one who thinks that you can use Newtonian calculations to solve a relativistic problem.  He even implies that he is using a relativistic formula in his first sentence.  This is hilarious.

Well what should one use? I mean your theory does not comform to Newtonian nor relativistic physics. Relativity models gravity as the result of curved spacetime due to massive stellar bodies, and objects moving through said spacetime will follow that curve. But since the earth is a damn cylinder accelerating at 9.81m/s^2, I fail to see how you would argue it to be relativistic to begin with. Do explain, this is Q&A after all.

Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 17, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Well what should one use?

Perhaps accepted science would be a start? 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on March 17, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
Well what should one use?

Perhaps accepted science would be a start?

If you used accepted science then you should be a round earther.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 17, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
Well what should one use?

Perhaps accepted science would be a start?

If you used accepted science then you should be a round earther.

I said it would be a start.  I did not say you had to stop there.  ::)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Garbage on March 18, 2016, 03:36:20 AM
Well what should one use?

Perhaps accepted science would be a start?

If you used accepted science then you should be a round earther.

I said it would be a start.  I did not say you had to stop there.  ::)

There you go again. You can't explain it, because you probably dont know anything about physics to begin with. So you pick at select parts of comments and try to write something witty.
It's funny, I came here because I was reminded by a Vsauce video that this place existed. I did a paper on you guys 7 years ago in high school when we had to write about pseudo science. These are all the traits of pseudo science, you dont actually answer counter arguments, and you make things up as you go along to fit your world view. I got an A, so I guess thanks for existing, and good on you for being just as stuck as you were then.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 18, 2016, 08:43:38 AM
Well what should one use?

Perhaps accepted science would be a start?

If you used accepted science then you should be a round earther.

I said it would be a start.  I did not say you had to stop there.  ::)

There you go again. You can't explain it, because you probably dont know anything about physics to begin with. So you pick at select parts of comments and try to write something witty.
It's funny, I came here because I was reminded by a Vsauce video that this place existed. I did a paper on you guys 7 years ago in high school when we had to write about pseudo science. These are all the traits of pseudo science, you dont actually answer counter arguments, and you make things up as you go along to fit your world view. I got an A, so I guess thanks for existing, and good on you for being just as stuck as you were then.

I have only been here since september of 2011.  It must be embarrassing for me to call you out on your 7 year claim.  In addition, you have only registered this month.  How many accounts do you have on the Flat Earth Society?  Did you know that alts are against the rules? 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: palmerito0 on March 18, 2016, 11:10:53 AM
jroa, do you not know what "you guys" means?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: FlatEarthDenial on March 19, 2016, 02:42:04 AM
Come on now... An object which is turned upside down does not change its shape, nor its size.

No one said Orion changed shape or size.  It simply changes orientation.  Please don't make things up.  It only makes you look foolish.
How exactly do you think you are going to convince someone if you are so dishonest?
It is fearly obvious why should the constelations change their apparent shape and size when they get closer to the horizon if the Earth is flat: for the same reason as the flocks of birds do.
Flat Earth Wiki explains that as either the laws of perspective stop working when the objects (the stars) are too far away (ridiculous, right?) or as there being some unknown optical phenomenum that makes it possible (If you draw a diagram you can clearly see that the refractions and reflections can't explain that).
The Round Earth theory explains this as the stars always being almost equally distant from us regardless of where we are on the Earth (They are millions of killometers away, while the diametter of the Earth is only 6400 killometers). And if you draw a diagram, you can see that this is a good explanation.
This is perhaps the most serious problem with the Flat Earth Theory, yet you refuse to address it.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: AstronomyMaster on March 23, 2016, 04:03:34 PM
Excellent job: trying to draw an actual diagram to see whether your beliefs are coherent.
The next step: stop being a fucking FE-er for God's sake!

I mean, now you really have no excuse for your assinity.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: George3 on March 23, 2016, 08:01:00 PM
This whole site is filled with crazy people. Most of their "arguments" are just saying "Henry is assuming..." and blah blah blah.
Don't you people realize that it is physically impossible for something the size of the earth to be flat, it would just form into a sphere because of its own gravity.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 23, 2016, 08:05:57 PM
This whole site is filled with crazy people. Most of their "arguments" are just saying "Henry is assuming..." and blah blah blah.
Don't you people realize that it is physically impossible for something the size of the earth to be flat, it would just form into a sphere because of its own gravity.

Don't you realize that it is physically impossible for every galaxy to be propelled away from each other for 14 billion years when gravity should be pulling them together?  Why is your magic better than mine?  ???
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: George3 on March 23, 2016, 08:31:50 PM
Like I said earlier, you guys apparently don't believe in science.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on March 23, 2016, 08:34:10 PM
Like I said earlier, you guys apparently don't believe in science.

Wow, what a come back.  Are you like 12 years old?  If so, I will hold back on my debating skills. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Round and Proud on March 27, 2016, 08:30:12 AM
This whole site is filled with crazy people. Most of their "arguments" are just saying "Henry is assuming..." and blah blah blah.
Don't you people realize that it is physically impossible for something the size of the earth to be flat, it would just form into a sphere because of its own gravity.

Don't you realize that it is physically impossible for every galaxy to be propelled away from each other for 14 billion years when gravity should be pulling them together?  Why is your magic better than mine?  ???

You admit yours is magic. But to answer your question, we have observation, experimentation and math backed by centuries of hard work and great minds.

Here we are on your post (98th so far on this thread) and you nor any other FET believer has posted any math, experimentation etc to bolster FET is correct.

What HAS been posted by FET is at best opinions based on guesses and hope and need to believe.

FET cannot even come up with a standard model for your claims.

E=MC2 is voodoo

E=MC2 is improperly applied

The sun is a spotlight

The sun is a ball

The Earth is disk

The Earth is square

The Earth is infinite

The Earth has an edge

The Earth's gravity is due to is huge mass

There is no gravity

Mass is gravity is just "magic"

"Gravity" is due to Universal Acceleration

E=MC2 doesn't apply to Universal Acceleration

Universal Acceleration works because E=MC2 explains time dilation

Math as in Trigonometry works but only on paper

Math as in Trigonometry works to give the altitude of the sun and moon.

RE maps are fake

FET say FE maps are not accurate when it comes to flight times ANYWHERE.

I can keep listing your contradictions all day but I have other things to do.

My point is I have not seen one post that has any math that works. Check that, I have not seen FET math of any kind, just belief and opinion.



Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: TylerJRB on March 31, 2016, 05:36:54 PM
Using assuming in most of those answers is a good start. There is no reason to believe the earth is different to any other celestial body in the solar system. It has formed in exactly the same way.

Why are galaxies not attracting each other? Well you know the universe is expanding. Further more a galaxy following another. The one Infront will be accelerating away faster than the one behind it due to expansion.

On a big scale where you have a Galaxy size object the expansion is more so than the gravitational force. unless they become close enough for gravity to overpower it.

One only has to ask how the earth formed in the first place with no gravitational force between atoms.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Scud on April 13, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.

So... What is earth really?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: DrLooksFlat on May 13, 2016, 05:45:08 PM
We get this video a lot, so I thought I'd make an easily found thread debunking it. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.



2. Time Zones

This is the first of a trend in this video, in which Henry (the host of MinutePhysics, for those not subscribed) assumes that the Flat Earth is exactly the same as the Round Earth in every way except for shape. The sun works in a manner similar to a spotlight in Flat Earth Theory, which is why time zones exist. When the Sun isn't pointing overhead, it's nighttime.

3. The Coriolis Effect

Once again, Henry is making assumptions. There are a few differing opinions about this, as Flat Earth Theory is not a unified theory. Some people doubt the existence of Coriolis as anything more than a theorized force, as the evidence for it is largely contrived. Others have various explanations for it, such as the Shadow of the Aetheric Wind theorized by myself.

4. Triangles

This is little more than conjecture. It is literally impossible to perform this experiment on the scale required.

5. The Sun

Henry is assuming again. The Sun's apparent movement is caused by the Sun actually moving. As for Eratosthenes's famous experiment to measure the diameter of the Earth, that assumes a Round Earth. If we assume a Flat Earth, the same experiment gives us the distance to the Sun.

6. Stars Change

Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

____

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.

Seems legit
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: John Davis on May 31, 2016, 08:47:17 AM
For some reason these guys thought this was a good thread to link: http://futurism.com/facts-obvious/
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Leon T on June 19, 2016, 03:22:24 AM
"9. Eclipses: Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same..."

I'd just like to point out that while a Solar eclipse (i.e. "the sun going behind the moon," as you put it) may be somewhat plausible on a flat earth, the moon going behind the sun would be irrelevant; it wouldn't have an eclipsing effect. The sun would simply conceal the moon temporarily. Instead, for a Lunar eclipse to occur, it would literally require the sun to temporarily disappear "off the face of the earth." It would have to sink below the disc and pass underneath it for the earth to cast it's shadow upon the moon. Just FYI, this has never happened throughout all history (as far as I'm aware!!). It has always been daytime somewhere and night time somewhere else. I think it's safe to say that the entire earth hasn't ever been plunged into complete total darkness throughout the duration of a Lunar eclipse... Not yet anyway lol
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: andyd on July 31, 2016, 06:28:11 AM
The Earth, according to NASA is nearly 8,000 miles in diameter and about 25,000 miles around.  So, the distance from the equator to the Center of The Earth should be about 4,000 miles as well. 
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator should be about 6,250 miles which is ¼ the circumference.
Let’s start with Ecuador located at the equator and rotate the earth east 1 degree.  To rotate the earth we have curvature in that 1 degree using Ecuador as the starting point.  By starting in Ecuador and going west, we will be traversing the Pacific Ocean for 6,250 miles.  My goal is to turn the earth 90 times 1 degree at a time.  I will not be using any complex formulas, just simple math, rotations at 1 degree each, rotating the earth for 90 rotations of 1 degree each.    After each one degree of rotation we would have traveled 70 miles. After 90 rotations we would have gone 6,300 miles.  Therefore what is the curvature of each rotation, keeping in mind after 90 rotations we are 4,000 miles lower than from where we started??  I am not discussing the Pythagoras theorem, only trying simple math…Thank You.
For every 70 miles you should be dropping 44 miles to get the 4,000 mile Radius of the earth give or take a few miles.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Brouwer on July 31, 2016, 11:32:41 AM
The Earth, according to NASA is nearly 8,000 miles in diameter and about 25,000 miles around.  So, the distance from the equator to the Center of The Earth should be about 4,000 miles as well. 
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator should be about 6,250 miles which is ¼ the circumference.
These numbers were established way before NASA or any space agency was created. You don't have to refer to NASA every time something spacy shows up.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Woody on July 31, 2016, 11:48:05 AM
The Earth, according to NASA is nearly 8,000 miles in diameter and about 25,000 miles around.  So, the distance from the equator to the Center of The Earth should be about 4,000 miles as well. 
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator should be about 6,250 miles which is ¼ the circumference.
Let’s start with Ecuador located at the equator and rotate the earth east 1 degree.  To rotate the earth we have curvature in that 1 degree using Ecuador as the starting point.  By starting in Ecuador and going west, we will be traversing the Pacific Ocean for 6,250 miles.  My goal is to turn the earth 90 times 1 degree at a time.  I will not be using any complex formulas, just simple math, rotations at 1 degree each, rotating the earth for 90 rotations of 1 degree each.    After each one degree of rotation we would have traveled 70 miles. After 90 rotations we would have gone 6,300 miles.  Therefore what is the curvature of each rotation, keeping in mind after 90 rotations we are 4,000 miles lower than from where we started??  I am not discussing the Pythagoras theorem, only trying simple math…Thank You.
For every 70 miles you should be dropping 44 miles to get the 4,000 mile Radius of the earth give or take a few miles.

The Earth, according to NASA is nearly 8,000 miles in diameter and about 25,000 miles around.  So, the distance from the equator to the Center of The Earth should be about 4,000 miles as well. 
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator should be about 6,250 miles which is ¼ the circumference.
Let’s start with Ecuador located at the equator and rotate the earth east 1 degree.  To rotate the earth we have curvature in that 1 degree using Ecuador as the starting point.  By starting in Ecuador and going west, we will be traversing the Pacific Ocean for 6,250 miles.  My goal is to turn the earth 90 times 1 degree at a time.  I will not be using any complex formulas, just simple math, rotations at 1 degree each, rotating the earth for 90 rotations of 1 degree each.    After each one degree of rotation we would have traveled 70 miles. After 90 rotations we would have gone 6,300 miles.  Therefore what is the curvature of each rotation, keeping in mind after 90 rotations we are 4,000 miles lower than from where we started??  I am not discussing the Pythagoras theorem, only trying simple math…Thank You.
For every 70 miles you should be dropping 44 miles to get the 4,000 mile Radius of the earth give or take a few miles.

I would recheck your math.  Assuming you are observing from directly on the ground and looking at something 70 miles away about .6 miles will be obscured by the horizon. This does not take into account refraction.

It would help if you post your calculations.

Here is what I used, actually to save time I just used an app:

(https://github.com/dizzib/earthcalc/blob/master/calc-method.png?raw=true)

I know you said you did not want to use something complicated, but I learned to use the Pythagorean theorem in a high school math class.

I have used it from time to time in my career and when sailing for fun trying to predict when I should be able to see something like the top of a building or mountain.  I have gotten rather accurate results consistently.

I think the problem with your reasoning is you thinking you will be lower somehow.  Which is true for a plane.  Untrue for a sphere. When standing on a smooth sphere the ground is always lower going away from you.

Also what Brouwer said.  NASA did not come up with the distances, they only take part in refining and getting more accurate measurements.  You need to blame people like the thousands of geodetic surveyors that began mapping the Earth about 2,000 years ago.
The Greeks and astronomers throughout history should be held accountable also.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: SpJunk on August 05, 2016, 10:49:45 AM
You say the Flat Earth Theory is not unified theory.
Maybe this will help "unifying it".

Perspective and vanishing point should work the same in all directions,
no matter if the Sun is seen from north, south, east, west, bottom, top...
Right? Unless it changes as convenient.
Or Sun has reflector, like flashlight.

Now print Flat Earth Map and see how it works in real life.

Mark Cape Town.
March 21st, Sun is directly over Equator the whole day.
Noon. Sun is above Kampala, Uganda, and well seen from the Cape Town.
Now, where was the Sun 5 hours ago, at 7 am?
Somewhere nearly above Sumatra.
Still very well seen from Cape Town.
Draw circle around the 7 am Sun through Cape Town.
Everyone within circle should see the Sun well, because it is closer
than perspective and vanishing point effects can hide it.
Including Canada and half of USA.
In real life they are in the middle of the night.
Flat Earth Model doesn't reflect reality.

Again.
BAhia Bustamante, Argentina, 5 pm.
Where's the Sun? Somewhere over Pacific, 75 degrees to
the west from Argentina, above the Equator.
Draw circle around the Sun through Bahia Bustamante.
It will show that Sun at the moment should be well
visible from the whole Europe, Most of Asia, and small
part of North Africa.
In real life they are in deep night.

Try with Melbourne, 5pm. North America should have sunlight.
Same thing. Night.
Flat Earth model again doesn't reflest the real life.

Unless "our spotlight" has that reflector speciffically shaped.
Some wandering star long time ago hit it and dented it from
the side facing north pole.

~~~~~

Perspective again. Appearance of the objects shrinking with distance.

If the Earth is flat, the following will be correct.

Let's go back to our Bahia Bustamante.
Moment of observation: noon, march 21st, equinox, Sun directly over the Equator.
From Bahia Bustamante Sun is seen above the horizon by 45 degrees north.
From Wesley, Maine, USA Sun is seen above the horizon by 45 degrees south.
They are 6220 miles apart.
Simple Pythagorean triangle, with hypotenuse from Wesley to Bahia Bustamante,
gives distance from Sun to Earth's surface 3110 miles.
Legs of the triangle are roughly 4400 miles each.
At that moment Sun is almost directly above Sao Gabriel de Cachoeira, Brazil.

So, 3110 miles from Sao Gabriel de Cachoeira (directly above head),
Sun there has angular diamter of 0.5 degrees.
Again, simple calculation gives the diameter of the Sun as 27 miles.
(Simplified for small angles, can be calculated as 3110 * tan (0.5 deg), and
actually it is 2 * 3110 * tan (0.25 deg). Both give roughly the same 27.14 miles. )

Now, what should be angular diameter of the Sun seen from Wesley, ME,
and from Bahia Bustamante?
It should be Arctan (27 / 4400) = 0.35 degrees. (Again simplified for small angles.)

In real life it is still 0.5 degrees, not 0.35.

At 5 pm, Flat Earth map shows the Sun roughly 9500 miles from Bahia Bustamante
in horizontal direction. And it is 3000 miles above the horizontal.
It makes hypotenuse 9900 miles long.

At the distance of 9900 miles, the Sun as big as 27 miles should have
angular diameter of 0.156 degrees.

In reality it doesn't.

In real life the Sun still has 0.5 degrees. Does it make Sun now 86 miles in diameter?
In that case what should be its angular diameter from San Francisco, California? 1.12 degrees.

Or even better, from the ship directly below it? 1.58 degrees. More than tripple the actual size.
We all know how hot is the Sun in summer.
Tripple diameter makes circle 9 times bigger. Our ship would burn in flames.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: DarkStar on August 24, 2016, 02:18:10 PM
Now print Flat Earth Map and see how it works in real life.

Mark Cape Town.
March 21st, Sun is directly over Equator the whole day.
Noon. Sun is above Kampala, Uganda, and well seen from the Cape Town.
Now, where was the Sun 5 hours ago, at 7 am?
Somewhere nearly above Sumatra.
Still very well seen from Cape Town.
Draw circle around the 7 am Sun through Cape Town.
Everyone within circle should see the Sun well, because it is closer
than perspective and vanishing point effects can hide it.
Including Canada and half of USA.
In real life they are in the middle of the night.
Flat Earth Model doesn't reflect reality.

I use a very similar argument but start at astronomical Sunrise at your current location.

On the RE model the Earth average circumference is ~24,901 mi so, on a Round Earth at 1/4 that distance (6225.25 miles) away we expect to find the Sun pretty much directly overhead (this is the subsolar point: http://www.skymarvels.com/infopages/vids/Earth%20-%20Sub-solar%20Point%20001.htm (http://www.skymarvels.com/infopages/vids/Earth%20-%20Sub-solar%20Point%20001.htm)).   Ok so far.  Both FE and RE's will agree this is where the Sun is overhead.

Now find the half-way point which is 3112.625 miles from both points, which would also be 45° around on the RE model.  Both FE and RE should agree so far (because I hear ALL THE TIME how for the Equinox at 45° latitude the sun is at 45° but is also directly over the equator thus "proving" a nearby sun [and IF the ground is flat it would] -- this is the same distance and everything but we don't need to wait for the Equinox, you can do this any day you want).

So let's do a quick review:

At the subsolar point the Sun is at 90° - directly overhead
At the mid-point the Sun is at 45° - and we are 3112.625 from the subsolar point (our distance or 'd')

So far so good but now we have a problem.  Remember where started?  The sun is on our horizon...

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kZvm-S20a_I/V64pOfKNPBI/AAAAAAAAB9Y/Mg2bRj2RUOkuc7cuqfS39lyaUlqbAJxiwCLcB/s1600/double-distance-half-slope.png)

And by the SAME simple geometry that says when our distance equals our height then our slope will be 1 (giving us our angle of 45°) then if we double that distance the slope would only be cut in HALF.  It's NOTHING but division by 2 because SLOPE = RISE / RUN  -- if you double the RUN you've divided it by two.  It doesn't matter what 'h' is, it doesn't matter what 'd' is.  We're simply twice as far away.

Which means our angle SHOULD be about 26°30' on a Flat Earth but we already know it's all the way down on our horizon.  So you have a HUGE error that no amount of refraction or made up atmospheric lensing or perspective can account for.

Flat Earth is off by 15 *percent* of the arc of the sky and this doesn't require math to figure out -- you can just look at it and see it's WRONG.  That's what Flat Earthers like right?

I explore this is more depth here: http://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/07/simple-proof-for-convexity-of-earth.html (http://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/07/simple-proof-for-convexity-of-earth.html)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: SpJunk on August 29, 2016, 05:58:11 AM
We get this video a lot, so I thought I'd make an easily found thread debunking it. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

"Debunking" by use of "cherry picking".

1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.

The Earth is not different. Desire to make it different will come up with claim
which no one is even trying to prove. We were expected to take it as "granted".

2. Time Zones

This is the first of a trend in this video, in which Henry (the host of MinutePhysics, for those not subscribed) assumes that the Flat Earth is exactly the same as the Round Earth in every way except for shape. The sun works in a manner similar to a spotlight in Flat Earth Theory, which is why time zones exist. When the Sun isn't pointing overhead, it's nighttime.

If Sun is disc it would be seen as ellipse from directly below, and as ellipse from aside.
So, it is not disc.

If Sun is sphere, then there's no way to force free people to believe it is "spotlight".
If people aren't free, you can force them to "believe" anything.

3. The Coriolis Effect

Once again, Henry is making assumptions. There are a few differing opinions about this, as Flat Earth Theory is not a unified theory. Some people doubt the existence of Coriolis as anything more than a theorized force, as the evidence for it is largely contrived. Others have various explanations for it, such as the Shadow of the Aetheric Wind theorized by myself.

Based on opinions, there are many doubts in anything.
Based on opinions you can form BELIEFS.
Based on evidence you can gain KNOWLEDGE.
Coriolis effect is measured, not formed by opinions.

4. Triangles

This is little more than conjecture. It is literally impossible to perform this experiment on the scale required.

Triangles are used in Geodesy, measurements were made all over the globe,
errors in measuring were calculated.
Google for "History of Geodesy", and for "Geodesical mission in Peru".

5. The Sun

Henry is assuming again. The Sun's apparent movement is caused by the Sun actually moving. As for Eratosthenes's famous experiment to measure the diameter of the Earth, that assumes a Round Earth. If we assume a Flat Earth, the same experiment gives us the distance to the Sun.

The same experiment on Flat Earth varies greatly with change in latitude where
are you measuring from. On globe all latitudes give the same result.
So, disc model doesn't work for lack of consistency.
Globe model works.

6. Stars Change

Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

The same effect is impossible to provide, that's why some Flat Earthers are
trying to invent some weird optics and "anti-crepuscular geometry".
Stars constellations are different in northern and southern hemisphere.
Star constellations are different in summer and winter midnight.
Ever heard of "Summer Triangle" and "Winter Hexagon"?

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

The Flat Earth must have same positions of sub-solar points in same moments
when and where Globe Earth has them.
Also, ground speed of sub-solar point must be the same.
So, the part of the map between Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn must be
the same. And that part of map fits on spherical surface. On flat surface must
be heavily distorted.
Rest of the map gets added by triangulation. Also fits globe, doesn't fit disc.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

Sun sinks behind horizon.
Horizon casts shadow that slowly crawls uphil on mouintain side BEHIND YOU.
If Sun is still 3000 miles above, how high those waves have to be?
If "perspective" is the case, is it lagging?
Eating Sun slowly from bottom, while preserving horizontal apparent size?
If the Sun is still 3000 miles high, then the bottom is closer to us than the top.
Top should be "eaten by perspective" first.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

Lunar eclipse happens when Sun is on one side and Moon on other side.
So, Moon is hiding behind Earth, not behind Sun.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Eratosthenes, Ptolemy, Al-Biruni, ...
proved the Earth is Globe before photographic evidence.
Their proofs were well documented, and then people put it on the Internet.
Desire to discredit any photo from space, even if you succeed, won't flatten the Earth.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.

This thread required response. "Debunks" had to be exposed.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Hornet185 on September 03, 2016, 07:18:21 AM
Like I said earlier, you guys apparently don't believe in science.

Wow, what a come back.  Are you like 12 years old?  If so, I will hold back on my debating skills.


Folks,

I am new to the Forum, and eager to learn.  I've been an avid student of revisionist history for years, but was recently introduced to the very plausible possibility of a Flat, and immovable Earth.  But my basic question is this:  Who benefits from the conspiracy to make people the Earth is spinning, wobbling, careening sphere rather than a flat, immovable plane?  I realize one answer is the creeps at NASA.  But the conspiracy is older than that.  So, help me please to understand:  Cui Bono?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: beliavers on September 06, 2016, 06:27:33 PM
I don't know, stickying this might make Thork angry.

You really dont know if its round or not, you never tested it bounderies or limmits or its edge, you never even been to the moon to begin with. You use a telescope watch the moon at night but none of the bilion satelites we have on stratosphere cross through out my scope you lying pieceses of shit!
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: SpJunk on September 09, 2016, 02:00:30 PM
I don't know, stickying this might make Thork angry.

You really dont know if its round or not, you never tested it bounderies or limmits or its edge, you never even been to the moon to begin with. You use a telescope watch the moon at night but none of the bilion satelites we have on stratosphere cross through out my scope you lying pieceses of shit!

Near the equator, the stratosphere starts at 18 km (59,000 ft; 11 mi);
at mid latitudes, it starts at 10–13 km (33,000–43,000 ft; 6.2–8.1 mi) and ends at 50 km (160,000 ft; 31 mi);
at the poles, it starts at about 8 km (26,000 ft; 5.0 mi).

For example, geostationary satellites for commercial TV channels are at 22 300 miles above equator sea level.

Satellite sizes are from few inches to few yards.
Do you see a fly on the other side of football field?
Do you see football field from, say, ONLY 20 miles?

Sputnik was 23 inches in diameter.
Could you see GMC Sierra front wheel from 22 300 miles through your telescope?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: chtwrone on October 02, 2016, 03:44:50 AM
I don't know, stickying this might make Thork angry.

You really dont know if its round or not, you never tested it bounderies or limmits or its edge, you never even been to the moon to begin with. You use a telescope watch the moon at night but none of the bilion satelites we have on stratosphere cross through out my scope you lying pieceses of shit!

You actually think you can see something the size of a refrigerator, that is thousands of miles away, through a telescope? The only thing you have between your ears is SHIT.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked (Mods: Please Sticky)
Post by: Round and Proud on October 02, 2016, 05:52:05 AM
I don't know, stickying this might make Thork angry.

You really dont know if its round or not, you never tested it bounderies or limmits or its edge, you never even been to the moon to begin with. You use a telescope watch the moon at night but none of the bilion satelites we have on stratosphere cross through out my scope you lying pieceses of shit!

Field of view at Low Earth Orbit Altitudes plays huge role. Now say  the Sat is the size of an SUV. That SUV is doing 17,500 MPH   or about 5 miles per second. Even with the moon as a backdrop, the SUV passes in and out of view in the blink of an eye.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Gigantica planit theory on October 31, 2016, 07:50:05 PM
Ok. Soo serious question. If the corryelous effect is in fact causeing bullet and or slash target to rise or drop because of rotation of the heliocentric model. Well under that understanding if i make a shot twards north or south on the quote  unquote equator then i should hypotheticaly have to compensate like 100 ft to 200 ft the left of right to make the shot on a 1 mile shot or more. I would realy like an actual fact based response with at least one reference point. Perferably not some back yard chump that could be bribbed 10 g`S to be a coconspirators. So a renoun sciencetist should not be to hard or too much to ask for._. After all you are suppost to be defending a scientific fact we teach children. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on October 31, 2016, 07:52:05 PM
Please stop asking the same unintelligible questions in multiple threads.  It is considered to be spamming and is a banable offense. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Mob on December 29, 2016, 03:20:27 PM
Gasp, careful guys! The guy with 32000 posts in a fake science board is gonna ban you! He's so cool and well-informed, I'd really hate to get on his bad side!

What the hell went wrong in your life?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on December 29, 2016, 03:22:34 PM
Gasp, careful guys! The guy with 32000 posts in a fake science board is gonna ban you! He's so cool and well-informed, I'd really hate to get on his bad side!

What the hell went wrong in your life?

Said his mom.  lol
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Mob on December 29, 2016, 03:32:40 PM
You know, I knew about this site, but always just kind of assumed it was a parody. But there are actual people here who are actually trying to treat this like a serious debate. And then there are people like you, whose life is so empty and putrid that you have time to write 32000 posts about it. I'll say that again. 32000 posts. How many hours of your life is that dedicated to hunching over a computer, spouting on about a topic that will get you laughed out of any sane room? I can't describe the contempt I have for your sad, sniveling life. But hey, go ahead and ban me. You have no power in the real world, but you sure have plenty on your fantasy website on the internet. Congrats!
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Twerp on December 29, 2016, 03:41:40 PM
You know, I knew about this site, but always just kind of assumed it was a parody. But there are actual people here who are actually trying to treat this like a serious debate. And then there are people like you, whose life is so empty and putrid that you have time to write 32000 posts about it. I'll say that again. 32000 posts. How many hours of your life is that dedicated to hunching over a computer, spouting on about a topic that will get you laughed out of any sane room? I can't describe the contempt I have for your sad, sniveling life. But hey, go ahead and ban me. You have no power in the real world, but you sure have plenty on your fantasy website on the internet. Congrats!

Stick around. You sound like you could be a lot of fun! (Please don't ban this guy!)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on December 29, 2016, 03:47:50 PM
He sounds like he could play the skin flute, if you know what I mean. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: disputeone on December 29, 2016, 05:01:44 PM
Gasp, careful guys! The guy with 32000 posts in a fake science board is gonna ban you! He's so cool and well-informed, I'd really hate to get on his bad side!

What the hell went wrong in your life?

This isn't a fake science board, lurk moar noob.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: disputeone on December 29, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
You know, I knew about this site, but always just kind of assumed it was a parody. But there are actual people here who are actually trying to treat this like a serious debate. And then there are people like you, whose life is so empty and putrid that you have time to write 32000 posts about it. I'll say that again. 32000 posts. How many hours of your life is that dedicated to hunching over a computer, spouting on about a topic that will get you laughed out of any sane room? I can't describe the contempt I have for your sad, sniveling life. But hey, go ahead and ban me. You have no power in the real world, but you sure have plenty on your fantasy website on the internet. Congrats!

Just for the record, many lulz are being had.

(https://s28.postimg.org/rpkqd8vnh/images_28.jpg)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: lodac3 on January 21, 2017, 08:53:04 PM
The earth is FLAT
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/205/102/61a.jpg)
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: OwnArq on January 30, 2017, 05:43:25 AM
Flat Earth society rocks!  ;D
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: disputeone on March 19, 2017, 11:21:56 PM
Gasp, careful guys! The guy with 32000 posts in a fake science board is gonna ban you! He's so cool and well-informed, I'd really hate to get on his bad side!

What the hell went wrong in your life?

This is a real science forum.

One of the best ones I have ever posted on.

Flat Earth society rocks!  ;D

It does.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: JackSchitt on April 17, 2017, 02:11:32 AM
I can't be arsed to read the previous 4 pages, but has anyone pointed out you can call it Debunking if all you do is make baseless claims and say all they are doing is assuming, when you are assuming yourselves.

"Henry is assuming that because all other planets are spheres earth must be too"
'its simple, the Earth is just different'
Assumes op, that is not Debunking that is empty assertions, please try to debunk it again but this time enough evidence per point
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: LogicIsntJustARapper on June 15, 2017, 01:30:39 PM
I'm new to this site and unfamiliar with a lot of the beliefs of Flat Earther's share but wouldn't a "flat earth" imply that there is an edge? And if there was one, wouldn't we have found it by now? Along with that how do you explain the shadow on the moon? It is round because of the Earths round shape. I have also been on many planes in my life and seen for myself the curvature of the Earth. I love to debate and welcome any sort of discussion on these things but a lot of the arguments i'm seeing here are just between people who refuse to alter their opinions. If someone can give me ACTUAL answers to these questions and not just point fingers, i'd be happy to discuss.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: LoveLessNHK on July 18, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
Shadow of the Aetheric Wind

To say nothing else of this, that would make a really awesome name for some sort of Folk Metal band.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: jamesthomas on August 30, 2017, 12:50:30 PM
For number 10, in order for your theory to work, All of the continents would have to be on one side of the earth in the pictures. But obviously they arent...
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: MormonDude on October 01, 2017, 04:31:04 PM
I'm new here and I have no idea how anyone could possibly think the earth is flat. What is the point? E evidence against it is insurmountable, to say the least. FEers simply don't look at the evidence and just insist it is flat. I am happy to refute any arguments FEers come up with, with sound, logical evidence.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: ilovespheres.com on November 01, 2017, 01:36:56 PM
Howdy boys. I have a question are you ready..... so how can the earth be flat, if we literally went into space and took photos of the earth and found that it is not flat.... explain
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Son of Orospu on November 02, 2017, 11:59:41 AM
Howdy boys. I have a question are you ready..... so how can the earth be flat, if we literally went into space and took photos of the earth and found that it is not flat.... explain

Photoshop. 
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: curiousperson on November 28, 2017, 08:54:23 AM


I find all of this debate very interesting. So if there earth was a disc or flat (to be honest, I think the arguments on both sides are interesting) how does a plane flying from China heading East still end up reaching the USA? Assuming the Earth was flat, wouldn't the plane need to fly around the butt edge of the earth and then to the back side? It seems like it would be the same as trying to fly around an Earth sized piece of plywood. Your explanation on this would be helpful.

Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: narcberry on December 10, 2017, 01:33:56 PM
Please read the FAQ and then links in my sig for a full understanding of FET.
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Theblindman on January 06, 2018, 12:02:09 PM
If The Earth is under a Glass Dome. How do meteorites hit the Earth ?



















Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

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I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.
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Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Theblindman on January 06, 2018, 12:03:38 PM
If The Earth is under a Glass Dome. How do meteorites hit the Earth ?



















Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

____

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.
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We get this video a lot, so I thought I'd make an easily found thread debunking it. If a mod could sticky this that would be awesome.

1. Other planets are round

According to Flat Earth Theory, the Earth and other planets are not really the same type of celestial body. To put it another way, which I'm sure everyone everywhere will take offense to, the Earth is different.

2. Time Zones

This is the first of a trend in this video, in which Henry (the host of MinutePhysics, for those not subscribed) assumes that the Flat Earth is exactly the same as the Round Earth in every way except for shape. The sun works in a manner similar to a spotlight in Flat Earth Theory, which is why time zones exist. When the Sun isn't pointing overhead, it's nighttime.

3. The Coriolis Effect

Once again, Henry is making assumptions. There are a few differing opinions about this, as Flat Earth Theory is not a unified theory. Some people doubt the existence of Coriolis as anything more than a theorized force, as the evidence for it is largely contrived. Others have various explanations for it, such as the Shadow of the Aetheric Wind theorized by myself.

4. Triangles

This is little more than conjecture. It is literally impossible to perform this experiment on the scale required.

5. The Sun

Henry is assuming again. The Sun's apparent movement is caused by the Sun actually moving. As for Eratosthenes's famous experiment to measure the diameter of the Earth, that assumes a Round Earth. If we assume a Flat Earth, the same experiment gives us the distance to the Sun.

6. Stars Change

Another assumption. This time, he's assuming that FE geography is just a Mercator map. It's not. The Earth is a disk centered around the North Pole, which would provide the same effect.

7. Magellan

Again, the Earth isn't in the shape of a Mercator map. That would be silly. Magellan and many others simply made a circle around the disk of the Earth.

8. The Horizon

This is just a perspective effect. First of all, apparently large waves will obscure apparently small objects. Therefore, looking out long distances over water you will of course be unable to see land on the other side. In addition, refraction has an effect. Some flat Earthers theorize an electromagnetic acceleration which appears to bend light upward.

9. Eclipses

Eclipses are caused by the sun going behind the moon, or vice versa. It's that simple. Once again, Henry is assuming everything is exactly the same.

10. Photographic Evidence

Most photographic evidence actually demonstrates what we would expect to see on a disk shaped, flat Earth: a circle with little to no apparent curvature. Add in camera distortion, and that's our explanation for low Earth photos. As for photos like the famous Blue Marble, that the space agencies of the World are involved in a conspiracy is depressingly obvious if you look at the evidence.

____

I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to this thread, or if a mod locked it. It's not up for discussion. This is just to let newcomers know that they can't 'destroy FES with a single video' as so many hope to. It's not that easy. Sorry.

Seriously, this isn't a debate thread. If you want to debate it, feel free to make a new thread. I'm not responding to questions or concerns in this one.
Title: Re: Meteorites Getting through the Dome/ How do they get through and hit the Ear
Post by: Theblindman on January 06, 2018, 12:05:48 PM
Re: Meteorites Getting through the Dome/ How do they get through and hit the Ear
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: pugglewolf on March 29, 2018, 12:25:03 AM
Serisously?
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: lolflatearthwhypeople on March 30, 2018, 05:48:38 AM
What is worse: People belive the earth is flat or: There is a website to discuss this
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: The_Truth on May 02, 2018, 08:27:29 AM
Thank you! You used there so called "science" against them, in a way that makes sense to those thick-skulled rounders, and is actually true! You truly are a hero to us true earthlings! :) <3
Title: Re: "TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round" Debunked
Post by: Cartog on May 05, 2018, 08:09:42 AM
Despite the spread of "Roundism" over the last two thousand years, some people cling tenaciously to the idea of a Flat Earth.  But, in all that time ...
.... nobody's found The Edge (and it should be in every direction if you go far enough),
.... nobody's demonstrated any of the optical effects we'd expect if the planet were flat between the US and Europe,
....  space exploration has demonstrated, with undeniable evidence, things that would be impossible if the Earth were flat,
.... more and more evidence, such as aerial photography, in just the last century, that disproves the notion of a flat earth,
.... and, in the meantime, no serious advances in developing evidence of a flat earth.