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Title: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Michael Jordan of Science on January 22, 2013, 12:46:51 PM
After spending some time on the FE Wiki, i have learned that at the edge of the flat earth, we are surrounded by the "ice rim".  People make these claims about it, yet i have never seen any physical proof (picture or video) of an ice wall.  people flying in airplanes have flown over large amounts of ice in Antarctica, and they flew over flat ice.  If you dont believe me, check this out for proof that there were flights to Antarctica.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_New_Zealand_Flight_901 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_New_Zealand_Flight_901)   Are there any pictures out there of a 150 foot wall of ice?  If such a wall existed, why not just climb or fly over it and go to the other side? or would we fall off?
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 22, 2013, 12:49:30 PM
It is not a wall in the traditional sense.  It is a mountain range that happens to mostly be covered in ice.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Michael Jordan of Science on January 22, 2013, 12:59:15 PM
Soooooo..... Why doesn't the FES raise up some funds and lead an expedition over these mountains?
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 22, 2013, 01:02:58 PM
People have already been over the wall.  It has been documented that there is a lot of snow and ice on the other side, but not much else. 
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Thork on January 22, 2013, 01:04:39 PM
Soooooo..... Why doesn't the FES raise up some funds and lead an expedition over these mountains?
Did you see what happened to the hollow earth guys that tried to raise money for an expedition? :o

http://www.voyagehollowearth.com/index.html (http://www.voyagehollowearth.com/index.html)
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Michael Jordan of Science on January 22, 2013, 01:09:30 PM
People have already been over the wall.  It has been documented that there is a lot of snow and ice on the other side, but not much else.

Okay, and if the mountains are supposed to be the edge of the world, and there is still regular snow on the other side, why do the FE'ers think that these mountains mark the end of the world?  And if you kept going, would you fall off  ???
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Genius on January 22, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSS2kywLNb-Ir3Sb-H6lXSg2kL5oMIb-oX2uZP4DoaHA4eqWHy5Cw)

Here's some ice.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 22, 2013, 01:44:53 PM
People have already been over the wall.  It has been documented that there is a lot of snow and ice on the other side, but not much else.

Okay, and if the mountains are supposed to be the edge of the world, and there is still regular snow on the other side, why do the FE'ers think that these mountains mark the end of the world?  And if you kept going, would you fall off  ???

No one said the ice wall is the end of the world.  However, a lot of people have never returned while trying to answer your question.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 22, 2013, 02:42:40 PM
the FAQ states the ice wall is there to hold back the oceans, but the rock beneath it does the job.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 22, 2013, 02:45:55 PM
the FAQ states the ice wall is there to hold back the oceans, but the rock beneath it does the job.

Not entirely, no.  The ice stretches underwater for quite a bit.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 22, 2013, 02:51:01 PM
the FAQ states the ice wall is there to hold back the oceans, but the rock beneath it does the job.

Not entirely, no.  The ice stretches underwater for quite a bit.
 

please provide evidence for this.   
I will provide evidence it is not. 
ice there is, but also plenty of rocky shoreline. this would render a wall of ice useless.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=S1n&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=rocky+antarctica+shoreline&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.aWM&biw=1238&bih=541&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hxf_UJD_KM3lqAHZ8YCADQ (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=S1n&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=rocky+antarctica+shoreline&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.aWM&biw=1238&bih=541&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hxf_UJD_KM3lqAHZ8YCADQ)

Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Michael Jordan of Science on January 22, 2013, 05:04:49 PM
So the wall of ice is basically an unimportant landmark that may or may not be mountains and signifies basically to put it in simple terms "the edge of the wild" because beyond that we "never have explored".
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 22, 2013, 06:36:59 PM
So the wall of ice is basically an unimportant landmark that may or may not be mountains and signifies basically to put it in simple terms "the edge of the wild" because beyond that we "never have explored".


The "ice wall" which at non uniform heights surrounds 2/3rds of Antarctica. But it in no way does it "hold back" the worlds oceans. If Antarctica is the rim, then the rock holds it back. 

Hopefully the new FAQ will reflect this.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Michael Jordan of Science on January 22, 2013, 07:02:00 PM
Ok, well the guy who said we live on a disc mr whatshisname said the ice wall was 150 feet tall.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 22, 2013, 07:20:03 PM
Ok, well the guy who said we live on a disc mr whatshisname said the ice wall was 150 feet tall.


i wish evidence was shown to prove this.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Dog on January 22, 2013, 08:00:33 PM
This wall of which you speak is called Antarctica. Which is a continent. If you went over this 'wall' (some random mountain range in Antarctica I presume) of course you will reach more ice. And if you kept going you would reach water. And if you kept going you would reach more land...
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 23, 2013, 04:26:31 PM
the FAQ states the ice wall is there to hold back the oceans, but the rock beneath it does the job.

Not entirely, no.  The ice stretches underwater for quite a bit.
 

please provide evidence for this.   
I will provide evidence it is not. 
ice there is, but also plenty of rocky shoreline. this would render a wall of ice useless.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=S1n&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=rocky+antarctica+shoreline&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.aWM&biw=1238&bih=541&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hxf_UJD_KM3lqAHZ8YCADQ (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=S1n&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=rocky+antarctica+shoreline&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.aWM&biw=1238&bih=541&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hxf_UJD_KM3lqAHZ8YCADQ)

I know there are rocky shorelines.  You're taking the term "ice wall" far too literally.

This wall of which you speak is called Antarctica. Which is a continent. If you went over this 'wall' (some random mountain range in Antarctica I presume) of course you will reach more ice. And if you kept going you would reach water. And if you kept going you would reach more land...

That is the RE position.  It is not ours.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 23, 2013, 04:32:00 PM
the FAQ states the ice wall is there to hold back the oceans, but the rock beneath it does the job.

Not entirely, no.  The ice stretches underwater for quite a bit.
 

please provide evidence for this.   
I will provide evidence it is not. 
ice there is, but also plenty of rocky shoreline. this would render a wall of ice useless.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=S1n&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=rocky+antarctica+shoreline&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.aWM&biw=1238&bih=541&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hxf_UJD_KM3lqAHZ8YCADQ (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=S1n&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=rocky+antarctica+shoreline&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.aWM&biw=1238&bih=541&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hxf_UJD_KM3lqAHZ8YCADQ)

I know there are rocky shorelines.  You're taking the term "ice wall" far too literally.

This wall of which you speak is called Antarctica. Which is a continent. If you went over this 'wall' (some random mountain range in Antarctica I presume) of course you will reach more ice. And if you kept going you would reach water. And if you kept going you would reach more land...

That is the RE position.  It is not ours.



If there is rocky shorlines, then the "ice wall" does not hold back the worlds oceans.
The rock beneath does.
And yes, I do not not take the term "ice wall" literally,
but the FAQ does.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Salviati on January 23, 2013, 05:09:34 PM
Either the ice wall circles the oceans or the oceans circle Antarctica.

Tertium non datur.

FE'ers must definitely make up their mind.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: SamAkaviri on January 23, 2013, 07:56:21 PM
Ok, well the guy who said we live on a disc mr whatshisname said the ice wall was 150 feet tall.


i wish evidence was shown to prove this.

Fellows, it is quite simple, really.   :'(

Within the holds of the Austrian National Archives housed in Salzburg lies the chronicles of Baron Zigmund Fardurpanz.  Baron Fardurpanz was an Austrian aristocrat of the late 18th century and one of the most prominent FE zealots of the, so to speak, 'dark ages' of FE theory.  Fardurpanz funded an expedition that left Venice in 1779, exited the Mediterranean via Gibraltar, and headed on a southerly course for the vast unknown.   :-* Fardurpanz's expedition hit the ice rim which surrounds the world around us on February 23rd, 1780.  After losing a considerable amount of personnel and equipment to a wild Bunjolu (native to the ice rim), Fardurpanz pushed onward, making it beyond the ice rim.  According to his findings, there is a narrow path of ice beyond this range, then nothing....infinite space!  ;D Thus proving the FE theory and also, don't go beyond the ice rim LOLLLOL!  :-B

If you have any further questions regarding the ice rim, please feel free to ask me!
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: James on January 23, 2013, 09:29:03 PM
If you believe in Antarctica, then you believe in the Ice Wall.  They are one and the same - the ceaseless icy desert within which humankind is hemmed.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Dog on January 23, 2013, 10:01:43 PM
If you believe in Antarctica, then you believe in the Ice Wall.  They are one and the same - the ceaseless icy desert within which humankind is hemmed.

Similar, yes. The same, no. Antarctica actually exists.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Dog on January 23, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
That is the RE position.  It is not ours.

I'd call it more of an undeniable fact than a position. This isn't politics. There is no debate. This is fact. Let's just go even more unscientific while we're at it and say invisible unicorns hold up the clouds, because f**k science.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: James on January 23, 2013, 10:08:28 PM
If you believe in Antarctica, then you believe in the Ice Wall.  They are one and the same - the ceaseless icy desert within which humankind is hemmed.

Similar, yes. The same, no. Antarctica actually exists.

Existence is not a predicate.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Foxy on January 23, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
If you believe in Antarctica, then you believe in the Ice Wall.  They are one and the same - the ceaseless icy desert within which humankind is hemmed.

No, because I believe Antarctica is a continent that does not surround the Earth.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: James on January 23, 2013, 10:38:08 PM
Then you are merely mistaken about the nature of the Ice Wall, not about its existence.  You mistakenly believe that the Ice Wall is some sort of "Ice tower" or "Ice blob".  When you talk about Antarctica and I talk about the Ice Wall we are talking about the same referent.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Foxy on January 23, 2013, 10:45:24 PM
Then you are merely mistaken about the nature of the Ice Wall, not about its existence. You mistakenly believe that the Ice Wall is some sort of "Ice tower" or "Ice blob".  When you talk about Antarctica and I talk about the Ice Wall we are talking about the same referent.

Nope, I believe Antarctica is a continent. A continent that is mostly covered in ice. I understand that you believe Antarctica is the ice wall, but don't tell me what I believe.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: James on January 23, 2013, 10:53:34 PM
Then you are merely mistaken about the nature of the Ice Wall, not about its existence. You mistakenly believe that the Ice Wall is some sort of "Ice tower" or "Ice blob".  When you talk about Antarctica and I talk about the Ice Wall we are talking about the same referent.

Nope, I believe Antarctica is a continent. A continent that is mostly covered in ice. I understand that you believe Antarctica is the ice wall, but don't tell me what I believe.

I believe that Antarctica is a continent, too, and that it's covered in ice. Our primary disagreement is about the topology of this Ice Wall, Antarctica. If I'm wrong in my characterisation of your topological beliefs about Antarctica, feel free to correct me, I am not trying to be rude but to build concensus and understanding.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Foxy on January 23, 2013, 11:23:03 PM
Indeed we are in agreement there. You aren't necessarily wrong about my personal beliefs about Antarctica, but I didn't want words to be put in my mouth. I did not know what you meant by the bolded sentence. I too am after understanding. I have been learning about various member's beliefs here about the ice wall, but I don't know much about yours specifically. Do you believe the ice wall actually acts as the edge of our Earth? Or do you believe that the Earth extends beyond the ice wall? Or do your beliefs differ from these?
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: New Earth on January 24, 2013, 06:12:28 AM
Ok, well the guy who said we live on a disc mr whatshisname said the ice wall was 150 feet tall.


i wish evidence was shown to prove this.

Fellows, it is quite simple, really.   :'(

Within the holds of the Austrian National Archives housed in Salzburg lies the chronicles of Baron Zigmund Fardurpanz.  Baron Fardurpanz was an Austrian aristocrat of the late 18th century and one of the most prominent FE zealots of the, so to speak, 'dark ages' of FE theory.  Fardurpanz funded an expedition that left Venice in 1779, exited the Mediterranean via Gibraltar, and headed on a southerly course for the vast unknown.   :-* Fardurpanz's expedition hit the ice rim which surrounds the world around us on February 23rd, 1780.  After losing a considerable amount of personnel and equipment to a wild Bunjolu (native to the ice rim), Fardurpanz pushed onward, making it beyond the ice rim.  According to his findings, there is a narrow path of ice beyond this range, then nothing....infinite space!  ;D Thus proving the FE theory and also, don't go beyond the ice rim LOLLLOL!  :-B

If you have any further questions regarding the ice rim, please feel free to ask me!


I believe in infinite earth and yes there is infinite terrestrial world beyond Antarctica, how can there be nothing? This is not a likely scenerio, surely there are countless other habitable worlds beyond the Antarctic.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 24, 2013, 07:47:36 AM
Ok, well the guy who said we live on a disc mr whatshisname said the ice wall was 150 feet tall.


i wish evidence was shown to prove this.


James has a novel thoery that in the worlds the last of the remaining wooley mammoths still roam.
That would be cool to see.

Fellows, it is quite simple, really.   :'(

Within the holds of the Austrian National Archives housed in Salzburg lies the chronicles of Baron Zigmund Fardurpanz.  Baron Fardurpanz was an Austrian aristocrat of the late 18th century and one of the most prominent FE zealots of the, so to speak, 'dark ages' of FE theory.  Fardurpanz funded an expedition that left Venice in 1779, exited the Mediterranean via Gibraltar, and headed on a southerly course for the vast unknown.   :-* Fardurpanz's expedition hit the ice rim which surrounds the world around us on February 23rd, 1780.  After losing a considerable amount of personnel and equipment to a wild Bunjolu (native to the ice rim), Fardurpanz pushed onward, making it beyond the ice rim.  According to his findings, there is a narrow path of ice beyond this range, then nothing....infinite space!  ;D Thus proving the FE theory and also, don't go beyond the ice rim LOLLLOL!  :-B

If you have any further questions regarding the ice rim, please feel free to ask me!


I believe in infinite earth and yes there is infinite terrestrial world beyond Antarctica, how can there be nothing? This is not a likely scenerio, surely there are countless other habitable worlds beyond the Antarctic.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: astra on January 25, 2013, 03:45:28 PM
i'm having trouble understanding why there is such argument about an ice wall that it doesn't sound like many of you have actually seen.  i haven't seen it myself, but that's no reason to doubt its existence. if i get curious, and curiouser enough, i'll go take a look. 

Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 26, 2013, 02:40:13 PM
still hoping for evidence of a 60,000 km uniform wall of ice.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: astra on January 26, 2013, 04:57:54 PM
still hoping for evidence of a 60,000 km uniform wall of ice.

yes :) i'm looking forward to it.  though i'm not sure what you mean by 'uniform'.  that's not how i imagine it.  i think it will be bumpy.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 26, 2013, 11:24:29 PM
no, according the FAQ and thork it is exactly 150 feet high and unbroken for over 60,000 km.
it would be an impressive site indeed.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 27, 2013, 07:20:44 AM
no, according the FAQ and thork it is exactly 150 feet high and unbroken for over 60,000 km.
it would be an impressive site indeed.

No, that's not what the FAQ says.  Please don't attach strawmen to our position.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,11211.0.html (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,11211.0.html)
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 27, 2013, 08:14:57 AM
It used to say 150 ft. why did they change it?
It does still say it holds the oceans back?
How does it attain this when it is indeed "broken"
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 08:55:35 AM
Why does an ice wall have to hold water back anyway?
After all, on a beach, it doesn't have to be high to hold water back does it, so why does an ice wall need to hold water back. It could simply be in a dip all the way round,

Like a big fried egg in a pan with a busted yolk as the Earth crust and oceans and the white as the Antarctic.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 27, 2013, 09:18:19 AM
yes, the Great Sand Wall of Florida holds back the oceans well at just a few feet. 
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
just found out that quantis do sight seeing tours of antartica
http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/qantas-a380-to-fly-over-antarctica-for-new-years-eve-20090911-fkho.html (http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/qantas-a380-to-fly-over-antarctica-for-new-years-eve-20090911-fkho.html)

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/travel/superjumbos-new-years-eve-party-over-antarctica-20100101-llk6.html (http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/travel/superjumbos-new-years-eve-party-over-antarctica-20100101-llk6.html)

i wonder how this fits in with FE after all its supposed to be the impregnable ice wall with massive storms and penguin guards guarding it.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Foxy on January 27, 2013, 11:00:32 AM
Why does an ice wall have to hold water back anyway?
After all, on a beach, it doesn't have to be high to hold water back does it, so why does an ice wall need to hold water back. It could simply be in a dip all the way round,

Like a big fried egg in a pan with a busted yolk as the Earth crust and oceans and the white as the Antarctic.

No, it wouldn't have to be high. However, there would still need to be a beach of some kind that goes around the Earth. There is no evidence for this.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 27, 2013, 11:57:56 AM
just found out that quantis do sight seeing tours of antartica
http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/qantas-a380-to-fly-over-antarctica-for-new-years-eve-20090911-fkho.html (http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/qantas-a380-to-fly-over-antarctica-for-new-years-eve-20090911-fkho.html)

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/travel/superjumbos-new-years-eve-party-over-antarctica-20100101-llk6.html (http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/travel/superjumbos-new-years-eve-party-over-antarctica-20100101-llk6.html)

i wonder how this fits in with FE after all its supposed to be the impregnable ice wall with massive storms and penguin guards guarding it.

No one said you can't fly over the ice.  You just can't fly over the ice indefinitely. 
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 12:07:13 PM
of course you cant fly over it indefinatly they would run out of fuel. but they fly over it for long enough oftern enough to notice if something dosent add up.
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Son of Orospu on January 27, 2013, 12:15:10 PM
What is your observation based on?
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 27, 2013, 04:03:27 PM
still waiting why there needs to be a ice wall  ???
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Dog on January 27, 2013, 04:29:22 PM
What is your observation based on?

The fact that they would run into more water and subsequently land, since they just flew over antarctica...
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: astra on January 27, 2013, 05:02:01 PM
What is your observation based on?

The fact that they would run into more water and subsequently land, since they just flew over antarctica...

that's a prediction, not an observation; you seem to have your terminology confused.

still waiting why there needs to be a ice wall  ???

why shouldn't there be an ice wall?
Title: Re: Physical Proof of the "Ice Rim?"
Post by: Pythagoras on January 27, 2013, 05:53:10 PM
Because no one has ever observed a 60.000 km long ice wall before and in sure it would be hard to miss.