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Title: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Mizuki on December 21, 2012, 03:39:00 PM
I know that this subject comes up a lot, but i"ue been seeing what i can find on the internet, and am pleasantly surprised that other people haue their suspicions, too.

I found a 35 page thread on the "September Clues Research Forum" all about this subject.

This post, by "Farceualue", i thought was pretty interesting:-

"I have been researching GPS and how satellites are said to make use of general relativity to pinpoint locations. Atomic clocks evidently run slower in higher orbits and using special calculations thanks to Einstein, these time differentials can be taken into account and compensated for and millions of cell phone users can be tracked within inches. Quite a feat for 24 satellites.

Not to mention the fact that I am highly suspicious of relativity theory and its potential for being a cover for the atomic bomb.

But if, in fact these satellites are orbiting the earth in a way that allows them to maintain specific distances from each other and are carrying computers on board that are capable of performing calculations that triangulate between themselves and millions, or billions of cell phones, without ever needing processor or RAM upgrades evidently, and taking into account that the power requirements for these calculations remains constant over time, how is it possible that they have the transmitting power to cover 22,000 miles 24/7? My experience with radio and television transmission is that it takes a fair amount of power to cover a few miles. I have yet to find the specific power requirements for broadcasting signal locally, but the idea of running a network broadcasting system that covers a radius of only even a few miles on solar power seems ludicrous.

If the power requirements were met, what type of transmitter is capable of reliably pushing out the location data signal 22,000 miles? What frequency range are they using and why can we not get TV or radio more than a hundred miles out? Short wave can travel several thousand miles, but 22,000? All this precise real time location calculations done at great altitudes and incredible speeds and the satellites never need correction.

Granted, I am not quite up to grasping the theory behind the calculations, but I am having a hard time believing that all these things are done remotely without the need for physical, hands on maintenance and adjustments. Plus, I can not find a photo of one of these things."


Hope other people find it interesting, too!

Mizuki x

Edit: Oops! The full thread can be found here: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1070 (http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1070)
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: markjo on December 21, 2012, 04:47:35 PM
Here is a pretty good primer that should answer most of your GPS questions (and hopefully clear up a few misconceptions):
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/howgpsworks.php (http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/howgpsworks.php)
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Thork on December 21, 2012, 05:01:37 PM
Good find Mizvki. I was trying to explain exactly that to someone only yesterday but didn't have such a good source.

A very interesting read.

Thork  :-*
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Mizuki on December 21, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
Good find Mizvki. I was trying to explain exactly that to someone only yesterday but didn't have such a good source.

A very interesting read.

Thork  :-*

I read a good part of that thread, i admit i just skimmed ouer the more technical stuff! But they raise some good points. Not least, the fact that there is such a lack of photos of these expensiue, techmologically aduanced contraptions.

Something really does not add up.

I installed an app on my phone earlier that apparently locates the position of uarious satellites using the phone"s GPS. I hauen"t looked at it properly yet, but i am suspicious that it can do what it says it can.

Thanks for the link Markjo, i am just about to read it.

Mizuki x
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on December 22, 2012, 01:42:29 AM
The article says that he can't understand how the sats has enough processing powers to work out the location of millions of GPS units. Well I'm pretty sure it dosnt. The GPS unit just revives a time stamped signal from the sat and works it out itself. This not requiring an awful lot of computing power in the sat because it just has to figure out where it is and send the signal to the GPS reciver on the ground then the reciver on the ground uses the 3 different signals to figure it out.

He also states " how is it possible that they have the transmitting power to cover 22,000 miles" if he had done a bit of reaserch he would have found that they don't orbit that high. They orbit at 11000 miles on a 12 hour orbital period. Also he says how can it transmit that far when normal tv signals which are much more high powerd can't travle more than a few hundred miles. Well he forgets that space starts at 100 miles and most of the atmosphere is much lower than 100 miles anyway the rest of the distance the signal travels is in a near perfect vacuum. And we all know electromagnetic signals can travle vast distances through a vacuum uninterrupted.
And the fact he dsnt believe in nuclear bombs I'd say makes his beliefs a bit shaky, but that's another story.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on December 22, 2012, 01:58:12 AM
Also he says he can't understand how it works. He seams to use this as his argument for why it dosent. Just because you don't understand something dosent mean it can't exist.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Mizuki on December 22, 2012, 02:17:19 AM
(http://p.d.ovi.com/p/g/store/10417072/Shot1-192x192.png?q=Irv6eVCr-8pdj8HPOulZTk3KJOmdFBA7&c=ovi_store)

Wow! I managed to post an image first attempt!  :)

This is the app i now haue on my phone (Nokia N8). It claims to giue more info on the satallites that you are utilising to enable the GPS in your phone.

I"ue used it a few times now, and it will giue information like, "11 satellites in uiew, 4 in use." Each satellite has a number, euen. The highest, so far, is satellite number 28.

Has anyone else used an app like this? If so, what are your thoughts?

Mizuki x

Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on December 22, 2012, 02:27:21 AM
What's the apps name? Is it free?
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Salviati on December 22, 2012, 02:40:39 AM
I know that this subject comes up a lot, but i"ue been seeing what i can find on the internet, and am pleasantly surprised that other people haue their suspicions, too.

I found a 35 page thread on the "September Clues Research Forum" all about this subject.

This post, by "Farceualue", i thought was pretty interesting:-

"I have been researching GPS and how satellites are said
[snip]

The document you posted has an awful name: ignorance.
It is entirely based on:
"I can't understand how that thing works, so the only conclusion is it doesn't exist."

But ignorance has a huge advantage over knowledge: it spares you many headaches. Sad but true.

Read the link provided by markjo, it is a good starting point. Note that the first GPS satellite got in space in 1978 (!!!).
Meditate about how many engineers / physicists / scientists / astronomers / mathematicians got involved in designing / constructing / sending in space / receiving data / analyzing data from 1978 on.

Meditate about how many people in all the world use GPS day in and day out from 1978 on.

Meditate that GPS works even in the middle of the ocean, if anything, it is just in the middle of the ocean that GPS is the only kind of localization that works.
I presume you can meditate about all this (hint: mom made you a brain).
And then answer this question: is it possible that it's all a scam, that orbiting satellites don't exist, that all those persons involved in GPS was mistaken about the shape of the Earth and/or enrolled in the Conspiracy?

Needless to say, for our friends Fe'ers that pile of rubbish is "a good source".
Oh yeah, let's go on fellows. We have to spread the Word.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Mizuki on December 22, 2012, 07:04:23 AM
What's the apps name? Is it free?

It is called "GPS Info Qt" - made in QML by DV8 Creations.

And ye, it is free  :)

Mizuki x
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 22, 2012, 07:41:45 AM
I am not quite sure what those lights streaking across the night sky are, but something is circling the disc.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: squevil on January 16, 2013, 10:01:44 PM
some pictures came up a while ago with the ISS transiting the sun. here is the guy who did it.


The Man Who Hunts Spy Satellites (http://#ws)
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 17, 2013, 08:44:00 AM
some pictures came up a while ago with the ISS transiting the sun. here is the guy who did it.


The Man Who Hunts Spy Satellites (http://#ws)
At 5 minutes and 30 seconds, the Aeroplane flying in front of the sun.
You aren't seriously expecting people to believe this are you?

never seen a plane like that before. ???
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: squevil on January 17, 2013, 09:21:50 AM
some pictures came up a while ago with the ISS transiting the sun. here is the guy who did it.


The Man Who Hunts Spy Satellites (http://#ws)
At 5 minutes and 30 seconds, the Aeroplane flying in front of the sun.
You aren't seriously expecting people to believe this are you?

You don't think the plane is in space do you? Lol
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 17, 2013, 09:42:34 AM
some pictures came up a while ago with the ISS transiting the sun. here is the guy who did it.


The Man Who Hunts Spy Satellites (http://#ws)
At 5 minutes and 30 seconds, the Aeroplane flying in front of the sun.
You aren't seriously expecting people to believe this are you?



A plane cant fly in front of the sun???
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 17, 2013, 10:16:13 AM
do you have evidence to prove that? ??? or just your opinion? have you ever tried to do what that man in the video did?
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: squevil on January 17, 2013, 10:52:32 AM
Hahaha you are a running joke. This is an independent study into satellites and you point out flaws with a plane. There is no mention of altitude or anything. If not acting like a retard, you sure jump to conclusions.

I found some of the earlier images interesting. Those satellites are clearly more than a bright light as they have a shape that you would expect to see. Even if they are a little blurry. You can see they are not stratellites anyway and they have the aerodynamics of a brick.

Round, flat or whatever this is good evidence for satellites.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 17, 2013, 10:57:46 AM
scepi. you have said many times you are open minded and willing to accept when you are wrong. then i implore you to contact a local amateur astronomers club. go along to a local meeting and im sure you will find someone that can show you a satellite live right in from of your eyes. i have been to one with my uncle. i didn't ask to see a satellite i asked to see some of the planets but im sure they can do it for you. maby not that very night but defiantly with enough warning they could.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 17, 2013, 11:07:37 AM
no that man went out with a telescope and with a lot of patience and perfect timing captured the image. the basics of science is replicating an experiment and seeing if you get the same results.  something you have proven time and time again that you are to afraid to do.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 17, 2013, 11:26:49 AM
so you wont try and replicate the results yourself? just call hard working people that do bullshiters? what about contacting your local amateur astronomers club?
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Foxy on January 17, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
Then show us that it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: squevil on January 17, 2013, 12:05:13 PM
C'mon guys he is having us on.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 17, 2013, 12:59:54 PM
they will show you the iss in its full glory just like the photos of what amateurs have done in the past. for someone with an open mind you are being very closed minded. so you wont do it then?
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6466/issanddiscoverynoannota.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/issanddiscoverynoannota.jpg/)

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Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Foxy on January 17, 2013, 01:33:41 PM
Then show us that it's bullshit.
You show me that it isn't.

The videos/photos in this thread are evidence until you can prove they're "bullshit."
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: squevil on January 17, 2013, 02:46:13 PM
they will show you the iss in its full glory just like the photos of what amateurs have done in the past. for someone with an open mind you are being very closed minded. so you wont do it then?
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6466/issanddiscoverynoannota.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/issanddiscoverynoannota.jpg/)

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there were other satellites pictured like that in the vid too.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 17, 2013, 03:25:02 PM
there is overwhelming evidence that space travel is possible.
i dont understand the FAQ official stance is that it can not be sustained.
why?
the sun and moon have no problem circling the disc.
why cant man mad objects?
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: markjo on January 17, 2013, 04:34:22 PM
there is overwhelming evidence that space travel is possible.
i dont understand the FAQ official stance is that it can not be sustained.
why?
the sun and moon have no problem circling the disc.
why cant man mad objects?
You have no clue what makes the sun and the moon orbit this Earth, except what you have been told to believe.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're wrong.  The universal accelerator makes the sun and moon orbit above the earth.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Foxy on January 17, 2013, 04:46:32 PM
Then show us that it's bullshit.
You show me that it isn't.

The videos/photos in this thread are evidence until you can prove they're "bullshit."
The videos themselves are evidence of bullshit.

No they aren't. That doesn't even make sense unless you can point to actual flaws that point to manipulation or fakery.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: markjo on January 18, 2013, 05:28:54 AM
there is overwhelming evidence that space travel is possible.
i dont understand the FAQ official stance is that it can not be sustained.
why?
the sun and moon have no problem circling the disc.
why cant man mad objects?
You have no clue what makes the sun and the moon orbit this Earth, except what you have been told to believe.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're wrong.  The universal accelerator makes the sun and moon orbit above the earth.
Based on what?
Lurk moar. Read the FAQ. Read the wiki.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: markjo on January 18, 2013, 06:07:04 AM
there is overwhelming evidence that space travel is possible.
i dont understand the FAQ official stance is that it can not be sustained.
why?
the sun and moon have no problem circling the disc.
why cant man mad objects?
You have no clue what makes the sun and the moon orbit this Earth, except what you have been told to believe.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're wrong.  The universal accelerator makes the sun and moon orbit above the earth.
Based on what?
Lurk moar. Read the FAQ. Read the wiki.
You are going by the flat Earth theory though aren't you?
This is the Flat Earth Society forum, is it not?
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Foxy on January 18, 2013, 06:12:51 AM
Then show us that it's bullshit.
You show me that it isn't.

The videos/photos in this thread are evidence until you can prove they're "bullshit."
The videos themselves are evidence of bullshit.

No they aren't. That doesn't even make sense unless you can point to actual flaws that point to manipulation or fakery.
If you bothered to look at the many videos of the ISS and supposed space walks, you will clearly see for yourself the discrepancies in them, including air bubbles escaping as they do the supposed space walk.
The reason for this is, it's done in a large pool that more or less mimics what they say space is.
You clearly see astro liars on their fake space walk, actually kicking their feet. You know like you do when you are in a swimming pool and you want to balance your movement.

Most people simply look at the video and treat is as a real space event, so they won't bother even contemplating looking for tell take signs of fakery.

I mean you have toi show us the discrepancies, not just keep saying "you can clearly see them."

If this were in a pool, there would be so much more bubbles then one that just pops up every now and then. Also, the light would act very different and make it obvious.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 18, 2013, 07:10:07 AM
this should be interesting. i have never once seen a bubble in one of these vidioes so please put that on the top of your list. i cant wait to see what you think bubbles look like
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: markjo on January 18, 2013, 07:44:57 AM
there is overwhelming evidence that space travel is possible.
i dont understand the FAQ official stance is that it can not be sustained.
why?
the sun and moon have no problem circling the disc.
why cant man mad objects?
You have no clue what makes the sun and the moon orbit this Earth, except what you have been told to believe.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're wrong.  The universal accelerator makes the sun and moon orbit above the earth.
Based on what?
Lurk moar. Read the FAQ. Read the wiki.
You are going by the flat Earth theory though aren't you?
This is the Flat Earth Society forum, is it not?
Yes, but everything on it isn't about just the flat Earth is it and all posters are not flat Earth believers.
But this thread is about how satellites may or may not work in a flat earth model.
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 18, 2013, 08:12:47 AM
wow scepi you must be the smartest person on earth! you have got it all figured out! out smarted NASA and the chines space agency. i wouldn't be surprised if they offer you a job. they didn't think to hide the air bubbles but you did.

lets do this chronologically.

At about 1.20 onwards, pay particular attention to the small rectangular glass effigy on his chest. If you pause and play the video quickly as the seconds go by, you will notice, what appears to be some kind of lighting above him, sort of like strip lights or something.

um the lighting on the camera? ???

At 1.40 onwards, you will see that he's in a pool because his hands are holding onto the rail but his legs are being pulled upwards by the buoyancy of the water.

for 10 seconds of that segment he remains horizontal for at lest 10 seconds aslo while only holding on with one hand. why didn't he float up during that portion?

If you notice the flag from 2.15 onwards, you will observe two things.
1: The sunlight on the flag shining brightly, or so they would have us believe, yet would sunlight shine like that on a flag? Who knows eh?


you your self dont know how that flag should be lit? ??? so why bring it up. fortunalty for you i do. they are in the shadow of the space craft. notice the flag only gets lit up when he extends his arm?

Also, you will notice that when he stops waving the flag, it stands upright, now why would it settle in an upright position if it was in space?


why wouldn't it? what should it do? what would it do in the water? cloths isnt positivist buoyant after all.

At 3.03 , you need to play/pause repeatedly fast and you will notice that the astro actor to the right of the screen, releases an air bubble coming from around his small glass chest plate. Look carefully and re run and you will definitely see it.


hardly conclusive proof of a bubble. and only 1 in the whole video? looks to me more like paint fleck.

At the 04.36 mark onwards, observe the right hand sail/or supposed solar panel and you can see it moving up and down in the water. Look carefully and concentrate on just this piece for a moment.

in your theory the space craft is in a pool. stationary water wouldn't move the panels ether. remember the speed this craft is going and the fact that the panels are long flexible and only connected at one end and i think you will see why you can observe minute movements.

At 05.42 onwards, you can see the light moving over the astro actors body. Would the sun do this and if so, why would the sun start to light up his body partially and the creeping over him fully?

what would do this under water? ??? remember they are in the shadow of the space craft. as he moves into the light the light moves up his body as he goes.

Pause at 06.32 and you will see the supposed sunlight hit his foot. Play on from this and you will notice the supposed sun move up his leg slightly, yet also observe that his visor is lit up also. How can this be?

once again he is in the shadow. why wouldn't his visor be lit up? when you stand in a shadow of a tree do you go completely dark? ???

hope this helps ;D
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: eggsnbaken on January 26, 2013, 10:02:13 AM
If they are fake, how do I get my directtv signal?
Title: Re: Are Satellites Fake?
Post by: Pythagoras on January 26, 2013, 10:08:29 AM
We have had a thread on this and was quite funny becuse they couldn't anserw at all apart from stupid pie in the sky theories. Have a look. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57001.0.html#.UQQbgb8gHTo (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57001.0.html#.UQQbgb8gHTo)