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Title: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: AEBConsp on May 28, 2012, 11:18:03 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcos_Pontes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcos_Pontes)
"He became the first Brazilian and the first Lusophone to go into space when he launched to the International Space Station aboard Soyuz TMA-8 on March 30, 2006. He is the only Brazilian to complete the NASA astronaut training program, although he switched to training in Russia after NASA's Space Shuttle program encountered problems".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLS-1_V03 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLS-1_V03)
"The 2003 Alcântara VLS accident was an accident involving a Brazilian Space Agency VLS-1 launch vehicle, which was intended to have launched two satellites into orbit. The rocket exploded on the its launch pad at the Alcântara Launch Center killing 21 people. This was the third attempt by the Brazilian Space Agency to launch the VLS rocket into space".

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2008/12/08BRASILIA1652.html (http://wikileaks.org/cable/2008/12/08BRASILIA1652.html)
" The Ukrainian Embassy in Brasilia is urging the USG to reconsider its earlier position and now support the Ukrainian-Brazilian space launch venture that will operate out of Alcantara"

Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 28, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
It depends on how extensive this voyage supposedly was.  Most people who go into space take short journeys that are compatible with FET, and can never see more than part of the world.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: AEBConsp on May 28, 2012, 12:43:16 PM
Did I understand that? I'm not completely convinced...   ???
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 28, 2012, 12:49:08 PM
In short, he's most likely being honest.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: New Earth on May 28, 2012, 01:13:44 PM
I don't get this post, are Brazilians somehow incapable of conspiracy?
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Around And About on May 28, 2012, 01:42:58 PM
As we all know, Brazil is an equatorial nation and is thus in practice preoccupied with more basic matters. They cannot possibly be involved in any grand conspiracy, or even really be much concerned with world-geometry.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Rushy on May 28, 2012, 01:50:29 PM
Brazilians are far too incompetent to understand even the most basic of sciences. Any testimony by one who supposedly went to space would be laughable.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 28, 2012, 02:03:04 PM
As we all know, Brazil is an equatorial nation and is thus in practice preoccupied with more basic matters. They cannot possibly be involved in any grand conspiracy, or even really be much concerned with world-geometry.

Like spearing zebras and coming to terms with their permanent body odor?
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Around And About on May 28, 2012, 02:15:41 PM
As we all know, Brazil is an equatorial nation and is thus in practice preoccupied with more basic matters. They cannot possibly be involved in any grand conspiracy, or even really be much concerned with world-geometry.

Like spearing zebras and coming to terms with their permanent body odor?

Exactement.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 28, 2012, 04:34:16 PM
Okay, that's enough, I know what you guys are doing but this is in bad taste.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: EduardoVS-BR on May 28, 2012, 05:08:32 PM
If Brazilians are not worried about that Americans also do not, they are more concerned with eating greasy burgers, worshiping Obama and believing in any crap in television.

Do you know that the first electronic voting machines appeared in Brazil? And the first planes were designed and created by Santos Dumont, the first aviator long before the "Wright Brothers" that the media claims to be the creators of plane just because they are Americans.

Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: iwanttobelieve on May 28, 2012, 05:26:45 PM
No, since there is no conspiracy, the man will represent his country well to be the first Brazilian Astronaut!
Congratulations!
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 28, 2012, 06:16:07 PM
No, since there is no conspiracy, the man will represent his country well to be the first Brazilian Astronaut!
Congratulations!

This person does not represent the community here in any way.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: AEBConsp on May 28, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
Anglo-Saxons and their well-known presumption (mainly American and British).

If everyone is being fooled, you are not smarter than the rest of the world.

A user said well, the [obese] population of the United States (the population less alienated  of the planet!!!) is more interested in eating fast food and listen to Lady Gaga ^^

Every country has the government it deserves.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Rushy on May 28, 2012, 08:53:31 PM
Do you know that the first electronic voting machines appeared in Brazil? And the first planes were designed and created by the Santos Dumont, the first aviator long before the "Wright Brothers" that the media claims to be the creators of plane just because they are Americans.

Incorrect. It is well known that Aéro-Club de France did not certify the Wright Brothers because they were Americans, leading to the incorrect assumption in Europe that Santos Dumont flew the first heavier-than-air aircraft. The Wright Brothers flew years before Santos, Santos simply flew the first in Europe, not the first in the world. Congratulations on showing the inability for Brazilians to comprehend even simple facts, further supporting my initial hypothesis.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 28, 2012, 09:56:55 PM
Let's not argue about Brazilians.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Rushy on May 28, 2012, 10:30:01 PM
Let's not argue about Brazilians.

I tire of your one line discussion stomp posts.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Pongo on May 28, 2012, 11:55:20 PM
Let's not argue about Brazilians.

I tire of your one line discussion stomp posts.

No, I agree with Saddam.  All I know about Brazilians for sure is that they love UFC fights.  But we shouldn't bring and entire ethnicity into this discussion.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: EduardoVS-BR on May 29, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Do you know that the first electronic voting machines appeared in Brazil? And the first planes were designed and created by the Santos Dumont, the first aviator long before the "Wright Brothers" that the media claims to be the creators of plane just because they are Americans.

Incorrect. It is well known that Aéro-Club de France did not certify the Wright Brothers because they were Americans, leading to the incorrect assumption in Europe that Santos Dumont flew the first heavier-than-air aircraft. The Wright Brothers flew years before Santos, Santos simply flew the first in Europe, not the first in the world. Congratulations on showing the inability for Brazilians to comprehend even simple facts, further supporting my initial hypothesis.
Well, I have just search and confirm what you said: I was wrong. The Wright Brothers made the first plane ​​before Santos Dumont. But there is much more to say about it. The first Wrights' sucessful plane, the Flyer, was heavy, unstable and required high winds for leaving the ground. There are rumors that the Wrights used a catapult to make the Flyer fly, but I'm not sure about that. However, Santos Dumont's 14-bis rose 3 meters and flew 60 meters, after many attempts.
I can't say that Santos Dumont was a pioneer in aviation, but I can't say that the Wright brothers were too. The truth is that, there were many attempts at flight and aircraft construction, throughout the history. Whereas the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale was founded in the first decade of the 20th century, It can be said that the Wright and Dumont worked simultaneously.
Many people can be considered "inventors of the airplane", I could cite the German scientist Otto Lilienthal, died in 1896 in a glider flight. Or maybe Gabriel Voisin and Louis Blériot: fly over the English Channel. But we can't forgot that Dumont created the first dirigible in 1903, two years before the Flyer.
In fact, Santos Dumont did more for aviation than Wilbur and Orville Wright, these two were ambitious capitalists primarily interested in money. They insisted on patenting the airplane, maybe that's why they try to prevent other American scientists, like Glen Curtiss to develop airplanes. Scientific American even asked if they were "flyers" or "liars".
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: markjo on May 29, 2012, 09:22:04 PM
That's all very nice, but not really relevant to the conspiracy.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: James on June 04, 2012, 08:31:24 AM
The Brazilian government has been in the pocket of the USA ever since the Vargas years. It would hardly surprise me at all if agents of the Conspiracy were highly operative in Brazil, which is one of the largest and most powerful nations on Earth.  It would not suprise me if they, too, pretended to put humans into space.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: EmperorZhark on June 04, 2012, 12:17:47 PM
The Brazilian government has been in the pocket of the USA ever since the Vargas years. It would hardly surprise me at all if agents of the Conspiracy were highly operative in Brazil, which is one of the largest and most powerful nations on Earth.  It would not suprise me if they, too, pretended to put humans into space.

New friends of the conspiracy.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: AEBConsp on June 06, 2012, 07:40:10 PM
My question was not answered in a satisfactory way. Is the Brazilian officer lying? If not,how was he tricked into thinking that has been in space because according to the FET model this is impossible?
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Who is behind it? #doubts
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 06, 2012, 07:56:56 PM
Okay, I admit that I hadn't really read the links you posted in the OP extensively.  He's supposedly been on the space station (for a week, no less), so yes, he would have to be in on the conspiracy.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: James on June 06, 2012, 08:10:20 PM
It is phenomenally easy to trick people into believing that they are in space.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: AEBConsp on June 06, 2012, 08:26:44 PM
He's supposedly been on the space station (for a week, no less), so yes, he would have to be in on the conspiracy.

Is he in this conspiracy in exchange for what? Is he getting paid for it? Was he chosen by NASA for lying?
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: markjo on June 06, 2012, 08:32:40 PM
It is phenomenally easy to trick people into believing that they are in space.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets)

What makes you think that anyone other than the television audience was tricked?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_%28television_hoax%29#.27Double_hoax.27_theory
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: AEBConsp on June 06, 2012, 08:53:18 PM
It is phenomenally easy to trick people into believing that they are in space.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets

James,then was he tricked as well as other astronauts? How they do not perceive it?
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 06, 2012, 09:02:23 PM
It is phenomenally easy to trick people into believing that they are in space.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets)

What makes you think that anyone other than the television audience was tricked?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_%28television_hoax%29#.27Double_hoax.27_theory

This?

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Once the programme reached its end these suspicions proved to be unfounded.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 06, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
Markjo, did you miss the word "theory" there?
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: markjo on June 07, 2012, 05:23:42 AM
What about these parts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_%28television_hoax%29#Audition_process
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The intention was to obtain a group of Cadets who were highly gullible, conformist, and ignorant about the show's subject matter;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_%28television_hoax%29#Resolution
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The Cadets had started to gain suspicions due to increasingly ludicrous set pieces (notably the space funeral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_burial) of a fictional celebrity dog "Mr. Bimby", whose ashes were spilt and had to be vacuumed up).
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 07, 2012, 05:49:46 AM
What does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: markjo on June 07, 2012, 06:15:39 AM
What does that have to do with anything?

I'm just trying to refute this outlandish claim:
It is phenomenally easy to trick people into believing that they are in space.

It doesn't seem to me that there was anything "phenomenally easy" about Space Cadets, even if it was real (so to speak).
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 07, 2012, 07:08:50 AM
What does that have to do with anything?

Well, I'm backpedaling.

Oh.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: iwanttobelieve on June 07, 2012, 07:43:51 AM
Astronauts in space see a giant lit circle, they are just incorrect about it being spherical. Easy mistake - no conspiracy.

Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: hoppy on June 07, 2012, 08:34:52 AM
Astronauts in space see a giant lit circle, they are just incorrect about it being spherical. Easy mistake - no conspiracy.
Are the "astronauts" orbiting something? Or are they flying in circles ?
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: squevil on June 07, 2012, 08:45:28 AM
Astronauts in space see a giant lit circle, they are just incorrect about it being spherical. Easy mistake - no conspiracy.
Are the "astronauts" orbiting something? Or are they flying in circles ?

hoppy this guy is a clown, he doesn't know what he is talking about, i shown him pictures of when the light is a crescent as well. he also said that mars is 30m in size too. nasa shows that statement was incorrect too. as he believes in nasa missions then it just shows how much of an idiot this person actually is. best ignored really, we just fed him 2 lovely troll meals already.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: iwanttobelieve on June 07, 2012, 09:11:12 AM
Astronauts in space see a giant lit circle, they are just incorrect about it being spherical. Easy mistake - no conspiracy.
Are the "astronauts" orbiting something? Or are they flying in circles ?


they are circling the earth, just as the sun/moon/planets ect do...
and if the sun is only 32 miles across, Mars, only 100 miles above the sun has to be very small.
no more than 1/4 miles in diameter
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: hoppy on June 07, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
Astronauts in space see a giant lit circle, they are just incorrect about it being spherical. Easy mistake - no conspiracy.
Are the "astronauts" orbiting something? Or are they flying in circles ?


they are circling the earth, just as the sun/moon/planets ect do...
and if the sun is only 32 miles across, Mars, only 100 miles above the sun has to be very small.
no more than 1/4 miles in diameter
Are they flying in an airplane? What keeps them suspended above earth?
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: markjo on June 07, 2012, 01:27:19 PM
Astronauts in space see a giant lit circle, they are just incorrect about it being spherical. Easy mistake - no conspiracy.
Are the "astronauts" orbiting something? Or are they flying in circles ?


they are circling the earth, just as the sun/moon/planets ect do...
and if the sun is only 32 miles across, Mars, only 100 miles above the sun has to be very small.
no more than 1/4 miles in diameter
Are they flying in an airplane? What keeps them suspended above earth?
If you're asking about the astronauts, then it's the same force that keeps the celestial bodies suspended above the earth keeps the astronaut's space craft suspended above the earth.
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: squevil on June 07, 2012, 03:18:01 PM
Astronauts in space see a giant lit circle, they are just incorrect about it being spherical. Easy mistake - no conspiracy.
Are the "astronauts" orbiting something? Or are they flying in circles ?


they are circling the earth, just as the sun/moon/planets ect do...
and if the sun is only 32 miles across, Mars, only 100 miles above the sun has to be very small.
no more than 1/4 miles in diameter

you said mars was 30 m not 8 miles
Title: Re: This Brazilian Air Force pilot is involved in the Conspiracy?
Post by: EmperorZhark on June 07, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Astronauts in space see a giant lit circle, they are just incorrect about it being spherical. Easy mistake - no conspiracy.
Are the "astronauts" orbiting something? Or are they flying in circles ?


they are circling the earth, just as the sun/moon/planets ect do...
and if the sun is only 32 miles across, Mars, only 100 miles above the sun has to be very small.
no more than 1/4 miles in diameter

you said mars was 30 m not 8 miles

They have no idea.