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Title: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: minona on January 01, 2012, 08:11:28 PM
Sorry folks but... using nothing but latex balloons and a cheap camera we (at La Bisbal school in Spanish Catalonia) have managed to photograph the Earth from 20 miles up, clearly showing the Earth's curve. You can find details by searching us and then you can repeat our experiment.

I don't know, perhaps you can turn this website into an information resource about the history of flat Earth ideas. But, when it's as easy to prove as this -a balloon and a $60 camera- it really is over for you.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: CidTheKid on January 01, 2012, 08:28:09 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/17/article-1162659-03F1FE03000005DC-728_636x471.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/17/article-1162659-03F1FE10000005DC-823_636x437.jpg)

Nice pictures. Too bad they're going to call fake on these. Or say bendy light.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Rushy on January 01, 2012, 08:33:31 PM
I'm not seeing any curvature. All I see is flatness on the first picture and a circle on the second picture. As FET predicts, being that high up you would indeed see a circular light pattern due to the sun's light. This is not the first time this has been posted, which is why I laughed. You round earthers try the same things over and over again. Its pathetic, really.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: CidTheKid on January 01, 2012, 08:40:44 PM
I'm not seeing any curvature. All I see is flatness on the first picture and a circle on the second picture. As FET predicts, being that high up you would indeed see a circular light pattern due to the sun's light. This is not the first time this has been posted, which is why I laughed. You round earthers try the same things over and over again. Its pathetic, really.

As RET predicts, being that high up, you see the curvature of the earth because it's round.

Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: CidTheKid on January 01, 2012, 10:10:40 PM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

At the edge of the atmosphere in RET you are looking down at a Sphere.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:19:12 PM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

At the edge of the atmosphere in RET you are looking down at a Sphere.

It looks like we're at an impasse then, doesn't it?

Better luck next time Round Earthers.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: CidTheKid on January 01, 2012, 10:30:05 PM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

At the edge of the atmosphere in RET you are looking down at a Sphere.

It looks like we're at an impasse then, doesn't it?

Better luck next time Round Earthers.

Concession Accepted, Tommy Boy. Glad to see you've given up on Flat Earth Theory.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 01, 2012, 10:53:16 PM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.
Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

It's wrong because in FET, the Sun's spotlight is only a circle on very rare occasions, and not in all directions. Take the edge of the Sun's spotlight on the equinoxes. The edge is a straight line. When the Sun is south of the Equator, it's a concave line. And even if you argue that all the pictures are taken when the Sun is North of the Equator, you'll still left with the problem that the horizon occurs too close to make your model.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on January 01, 2012, 11:30:32 PM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.
Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

You should stop throwing around "special pleading fallacy" in every thread until you learn and digest what it actually means.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: CidTheKid
Concession Accepted, Tommy Boy. Glad to see you've given up on Flat Earth Theory.

Slight curvature from the edge of the atmosphere is easily explained in FET. What did I concede?

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.
Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

It's wrong because in FET, the Sun's spotlight is only a circle on very rare occasions, and not in all directions. Take the edge of the Sun's spotlight on the equinoxes. The edge is a straight line. When the Sun is south of the Equator, it's a concave line. And even if you argue that all the pictures are taken when the Sun is North of the Equator, you'll still left with the problem that the horizon occurs too close to make your model.

Who said the sun's spotlight is constantly warping in shape?

I don't see that in the Wiki, ENAG, or FAQ.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 01:31:53 AM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.
Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

You should stop throwing around "special pleading fallacy" in every thread until you learn and digest what it actually means.
Do tell us just how special pleading fallacy doesn't apply here. I'm sure that you agree that the "when you look down you see a circle" argument came only after FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos. Before then is was simply a conspiracy argument, right?
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 01:36:28 AM
Quote from: CidTheKid
Concession Accepted, Tommy Boy. Glad to see you've given up on Flat Earth Theory.

Slight curvature from the edge of the atmosphere is easily explained in FET. What did I concede?

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.
Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

It's wrong because in FET, the Sun's spotlight is only a circle on very rare occasions, and not in all directions. Take the edge of the Sun's spotlight on the equinoxes. The edge is a straight line. When the Sun is south of the Equator, it's a concave line. And even if you argue that all the pictures are taken when the Sun is North of the Equator, you'll still left with the problem that the horizon occurs too close to make your model.

Who said the sun's spotlight is constantly warping in shape?

I don't see that in the Wiki, ENAG, or FAQ.
It's really simple, Tom. Plot on whatever consistent map of the Earth you like the light area of the Earth on the first day of SH Summer at 1AM and 1PM. Then do the same for the first day of NH Summer. I realize that it's inconvenient to you, but your theory does have to match reality.

Oh, and if you'd like to try to dodge this by saying that there is no consistent map of the Earth, we'll take that as a victory. Thanks.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Thork on January 02, 2012, 01:38:31 AM
FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos
Barcroft Media is amateur is it? Their website suggests otherwise.

They also produce pictures like this
(http://www.barcroftmedia.com/thumb.php/00949344.jpg?9qzeV3qTOA53zj6EOw8z6R8hXMB9umYb4l%2Bwc%2BdFn4QYbj6bv%2BpS4rbk1U3%2BF6dYi7IG%2Fgcju4ol4kYHMPe%2Bmm9NsYuUP%2BjIiWWQkOzgdV1u7lmpv4vfWkTWBZoGstIR%2FyW04YlphtjpJFVjtCTURF0Fb%2B4MaCA0cVjf699BPr8D09w4AyHJomH1mKDy6OL8iHdijv2mEf4YgS91QfiQ%2FWeWVYeL%2FWLrCMmN3Gl8DXGqfwSraL7HBYBU3qLM7QU4Oy2S%2BKesj%2F8VbiwylmgFWc9k%2BOQPP%2BkXfvvLKUdELFOozsX9rc8MHg%3D%3D)
I don't think we'll be turning out the lights just yet.

Barcroft Media (http://www.barcroftmedia.com/index.php?10049716221355947120.0000316378555221817916902012012103736&EVENT=WEBSHOP_SEARCH&SEARCHMODE=SERIES&SHOWSERIES=1.80375)
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 01:41:36 AM
FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos
Barcroft Media is amateur is it?
Where in my post did I mention Barcroft Media?
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Thork on January 02, 2012, 01:46:31 AM
FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos
Barcroft Media is amateur is it?
Where in my post did I mention Barcroft Media?
1) Please link me to the photos you were referring to
2) and state why those photos are the ones we should have realised you were referring to.

Playing stupid word games when your challenges fall on their face doesn't change the fact the earth is flat. Its flat whatever you say. Your words can't hurt it.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 02:00:50 AM
FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos
Barcroft Media is amateur is it?
Where in my post did I mention Barcroft Media?
1) Please link me to the photos you were referring to
2) and state why those photos are the ones we should have realised you were referring to.

Play stupid word games when your challenges fall on their face doesn't change the fact the earth is flat. Its flat whatever you say. Your words can't hurt it.
1) I refer you to the search function. Here's one that I found in a minute's search: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868)
2) I refer you to what I wrote that you even quoted.

Again, where in my post did I mention Barcroft Media?
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Thork on January 02, 2012, 02:06:57 AM
1) I refer you to the search function. Here's one that I found in a minute's search: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868)
Oh, I see. You were referring to a 6 month old thread. Of course. You'll be aware that the topic of this thread is the photos and evidence contained within, and grasping for outside information to make your frivolous non-observations relevant is a derailment.
I'll also thank you for crashing the site for everyone else, during your pointless search.

Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 02:10:18 AM
1) I refer you to the search function. Here's one that I found in a minute's search: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868)
Oh, I see. You were referring to a 6 month old thread. Of course. You'll be aware that the topic of this thread is the photos and evidence contained within, and grasping for outside information to make your frivolous non-observations relevant is a derailment.
I'll also thank you for crashing the site for everyone else, during your pointless search.
I do appreciate that history does tend to disprove FEers. Sorry about that.
You'll note that a challenge of special pleading requires one to open their mind to the past.
Tell me how to answer your question without searching for the link you requested.
Please lodge your complaint about downtime to the appropriate person.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: zarg on January 02, 2012, 08:46:24 AM
ClockTower, Thork is referring to the photos posted by CidTheKid. They have a "Barcroft Media" watermark in the bottom left corner. He has concluded that Barcroft Media fabricated the photos, probably because the extent of his "research" was searching the name on google images.

Unfortunately for Thork, Barcroft Media merely cropped and published those two photos for a news article. The original photos, without watermarks, along with several others, can be found on the Spanish students' flickr page (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meteotek08/sets/72157614847488964/).
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 02, 2012, 09:07:43 AM
Concession Accepted, Tommy Boy. Glad to see you've given up on Flat Earth Theory.
protip: Putting words in someone else's mouth, especially in the "Excellent, so you agree with me" style is a very old move here on FES. Feel free to use it (everyone does), but don't expect it to be effective.
protip: The topic of amateurs sending balloons up high and taking pictures is also incredibly old. You could use the search function.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Tausami on January 02, 2012, 09:33:26 AM
Posting in this quality thread.

I've determined that the main difference between Clocksy's debate technique and mine is that I use more than one fallacy and usually refer to them by the Latin.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on January 02, 2012, 09:33:38 AM
Amateur balloon photos.
Old news.

Results.
Inconclusive.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: markjo on January 02, 2012, 10:17:26 AM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Tom, is the edge of this circle the day/night terminator or is it the horizon?
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Tausami on January 02, 2012, 10:18:45 AM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Tom, is the edge of this circle the day/night terminator or is it the horizon?

Depends on how high you are, I'd imagine, but you'd have to be pretty damn high to be able to see the twilight.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: markjo on January 02, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Tom, is the edge of this circle the day/night terminator or is it the horizon?

Depends on how high you are, I'd imagine, but you'd have to be pretty damn high to be able to see the twilight.

Like about this high?(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2011/ooiss027e012224.jpg)
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: zarg on January 02, 2012, 10:41:46 AM
If the curvature we're seeing is the edge of the disc, then FES should be able to produce an accurate map by examining such photos. Where's the ice wall?
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Tausami on January 02, 2012, 10:42:22 AM
At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Tom, is the edge of this circle the day/night terminator or is it the horizon?

Depends on how high you are, I'd imagine, but you'd have to be pretty damn high to be able to see the twilight.

Like about this high?(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2011/ooiss027e012224.jpg)

Or, you know, directly over it. That works too.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: markjo on January 02, 2012, 05:47:32 PM
Like about this high?(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2011/ooiss027e012224.jpg)

Or, you know, directly over it. That works too.

Of course it doesn't look like the sun is making a spotlight either.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Mr Pseudonym on January 02, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
Like about this high?(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2011/ooiss027e012224.jpg)

Or, you know, directly over it. That works too.

Of course it doesn't look like the sun is making a spotlight either.
That is the effects of bendy light on the sun's rays.  Of course, you would know this Markjo as it is discussed in another thread.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 06:05:47 PM
That is the effects of bendy light on the sun's rays.  Of course, you would know this Markjo as it is discussed in another thread.
I see. So you need 'bendy light', which according to FE theory affects almost exclusively light rays parallel to the Earth, to do even more, without details, math, or predictions. So you rely on undocumented 'magic' to answer a new challenge. That would be special pleading.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Lorddave on January 02, 2012, 06:27:39 PM
Can we just look at the pretty pictures of our home planet without resorting to asking what shape it is? 
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Around And About on January 02, 2012, 06:45:06 PM
Can we just look at the pretty pictures of our home planet without resorting to asking what shape it is?

Probably not on a forum dedicated to the discussion and debate concerning the shape of the earth, no.  ::)
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: zarg on January 02, 2012, 08:04:51 PM
That is the effects of bendy light on the sun's rays.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Electromagnetic_Accelerator (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Electromagnetic_Accelerator)

Nope. This does not explain what we're seeing in that photo whatsoever.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: El Cid on January 02, 2012, 09:26:53 PM
Day and night in FET:

(http://i.picasion.com/pic48/257c238ea05ab370ac1096841042abb0.gif)

The shadow, in that image, seems to be curved.  A balloon camera in space just got a lot harder for FET to explain.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 09:45:33 PM
Day and night in FET:

(http://i.picasion.com/pic48/257c238ea05ab370ac1096841042abb0.gif)

The shadow, in that image, seems to be curved.  A balloon camera in space just got a lot harder for FET to explain.
I have to observe that your gif represents the illumination pattern on the equinoxes. From April to August , the illumination area is indeed more oval, a concave shape. From October to February it is closer to a shape that is all but a an oval, a convex shape.

Remember the recurring RE comment that on the first day of Summer in the SH, you must look south to the Sun from the far side of Antarctica (north of the SP and south of the Antarctic Circle). Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun). But FET says the Sun will be to the north. Tom has special pleaded that 'magic mirrors' are involved.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Lorddave on January 03, 2012, 03:23:36 AM
Can we just look at the pretty pictures of our home planet without resorting to asking what shape it is?

Probably not on a forum dedicated to the discussion and debate concerning the shape of the earth, no.  ::)
Oh is that where I am? I thought I was on the amateur photography site what with all the pictures being used as proof.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: hoppy on January 03, 2012, 05:56:44 AM
Can we just look at the pretty pictures of our home planet without resorting to asking what shape it is?
You are not taking your own advice, assuming a planet.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 03, 2012, 06:32:32 AM
Day and night in FET:

(http://i.picasion.com/pic48/257c238ea05ab370ac1096841042abb0.gif)

The shadow, in that image, seems to be curved.  A balloon camera in space just got a lot harder for FET to explain.
It didn't get harder at all. It's as simple as always, and my old explanation matches it perfectly.

The light you drew on the known Earth is just part of the very large circle cast by the Sun. Consider the following:
(http://omgomg.eu/images/litearth.png)
Picture not to scale, only intended to illustrate the concept.

As we make the lit area larger, the lit area on the Earth becomes progressively closer to half the area of the Earth, whilst remaining curved.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: markjo on January 03, 2012, 06:43:20 AM
Day and night in FET:

(http://i.picasion.com/pic48/257c238ea05ab370ac1096841042abb0.gif)

The shadow, in that image, seems to be curved.  A balloon camera in space just got a lot harder for FET to explain.
It didn't get harder at all. It's as simple as always, and my old explanation matches it perfectly.

The light you drew on the known Earth is just part of the very large circle cast by the Sun. Consider the following:
(http://omgomg.eu/images/litearth.png)
Picture not to scale, only intended to illustrate the concept.

As we make the lit area larger, the lit area on the Earth becomes progressively closer to half the area of the Earth, whilst remaining curved.

However, this idea suffers from the fact that as the circle gets larger and larger, the sun gets farther and farther from being directly above the equator.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Thork on January 03, 2012, 07:09:05 AM
However, this idea suffers from the fact that as the circle gets larger and larger, the sun gets farther and farther from being directly above the equator.

Quote from: http://tinyurl.com/78kc4lg
e·qua·tor/iˈkwātər/
Noun:   
An imaginary line drawn around the earth equally distant from both poles, dividing the earth into northern and southern hemispheres and constituting the parallel of latitude 0°
So the earth adheres to the laws of your imagination? RErs are deranged. :-\
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: zarg on January 03, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
The light you drew on the known Earth is just part of the very large circle cast by the Sun.

Nope (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=16806.msg285723#msg285723).
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: markjo on January 03, 2012, 11:16:52 AM
However, this idea suffers from the fact that as the circle gets larger and larger, the sun gets farther and farther from being directly above the equator.

Quote from: http://tinyurl.com/78kc4lg
e·qua·tor/iˈkwātər/
Noun:   
An imaginary line drawn around the earth equally distant from both poles, dividing the earth into northern and southern hemispheres and constituting the parallel of latitude 0°
So the earth adheres to the laws of your imagination? RErs are deranged. :-\

Please refer to this diagram (that PizzaPlanet so graciously provided) and think about where the sun would be located relative to the inhabited regions of the FE in order to make the circular day/night terminator appear straight, then ask yourself who is deranged.
(http://omgomg.eu/images/litearth.png)
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: El Cid on January 03, 2012, 03:15:35 PM
Day and night in FET:

(http://i.picasion.com/pic48/257c238ea05ab370ac1096841042abb0.gif)

The shadow, in that image, seems to be curved.  A balloon camera in space just got a lot harder for FET to explain.
It didn't get harder at all. It's as simple as always, and my old explanation matches it perfectly.

The light you drew on the known Earth is just part of the very large circle cast by the Sun. Consider the following:
(http://omgomg.eu/images/litearth.png)
Picture not to scale, only intended to illustrate the concept.

As we make the lit area larger, the lit area on the Earth becomes progressively closer to half the area of the Earth, whilst remaining curved.

I assume you're talking about the spotlight sun, even though that was previously referred to as the FAQ being wrong.

Also, the line should be straight.

Summer & Winter solcstice:

(http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef013484afc7fc970c-320wi)

Vernal & Autumnal Equinoxes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Earth-lighting-equinox_EN.png)



Of course, if you look at it from various angles, the line will appear to be curved on a sphere.  This is not true on a disc.  Your circle doesn't solve anything, because the curvature depends on the angle of the view, just like we learned in art class.

(http://www.directxtutorial.com/Graphics/Tutorial9/Direct3DBasics/dx9B3-17.PNG)


To summarize:  amateur space pictures will be at different angles when above the Earth's atmosphere, hence changing the curvature.  No circle spotlight solves this.

It just goes to show that FE'ers just make stuff up.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Thork on January 03, 2012, 03:41:47 PM
The fact RE sunshine can be straight, curved or whatever you like depending on where you view it from, shows you're ready to except absolutely any sunlight solution you are given, as long as you don't have to change your idea about earth's shape.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 03, 2012, 03:45:45 PM
The fact RE sunshine can be straight, curved or whatever you like depending on where you view it from, shows you're ready to exceptaccept absolutely any sunlight solution you are given, as long as you don't have to change your idea about earth's shape.
Where did he say anything about RE sunshine's shape, let alone accepting that he would accept any sunlight solution?
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: Thork on January 03, 2012, 04:04:20 PM
Thank you for the grammar correction. If I am honest the site is ringing up so many spelling mistakes for me at the moment that I am becoming increasingly p*ssed off at it. My laptop died and I am now using a different one, but the forum settings are now back to US English and so it squiggles under everything. I got sick of checking all those stupid "use a 'z' instead of and 's' and 'or' not 'our' corrections that I haven't been proof-reading my posts. If you can remind me how to set the forum back to the Queen's English I would be very grateful as its driving me bonkers.

As for any sunshine solution, he was happy for it to be curved or flat on a round earth. He'd just put that down to position. That's a total acceptance of globular opinion without challenging the reality of the situation. The other thing I find vehemently irritating is the assumption that the RE model is right and that is how sunlight is, so it must be that shape on an FE or not work. There is no proof RE sunlight models are correct nor that the continents are laid out as RET suggests. This is jumping to step 5 before steps 1 and 2 are looked at.
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 03, 2012, 05:37:24 PM
Thank you for the grammar correction. If I am honest the site is ringing up so many spelling mistakes for me at the moment that I am becoming increasingly p*ssed off at it. My laptop died and I am now using a different one, but the forum settings are now back to US English and so it squiggles under everything. I got sick of checking all those stupid "use a 'z' instead of and 's' and 'or' not 'our' corrections that I haven't been proof-reading my posts. If you can remind me how to set the forum back to the Queen's English I would be very grateful as its driving me bonkers.
That's usually a browser setting... What browser are you using?

Here's Chrome:
(http://i.imgur.com/bI6xP.jpg)
Title: Re: It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!
Post by: ClockTower on January 03, 2012, 05:41:50 PM
As for any sunshine solution, he was happy for it to be curved or flat on a round earth. He'd just put that down to position. That's a total acceptance of globular opinion without challenging the reality of the situation. The other thing I find vehemently irritating is the assumption that the RE model is right and that is how sunlight is, so it must be that shape on an FE or not work. There is no proof RE sunlight models are correct nor that the continents are laid out as RET suggests. This is jumping to step 5 before steps 1 and 2 are looked at.
I'm afraid that's just wishful thinking. The reality of the Sun's illumination is well documented. I have posted links to outdoor webcams (many with years of archives) and almanacs regularly, even yesterday. With the evidence in hand, it's really easy to see that RET accurately predicts the Sun's illumination, and even the apparent position in the observer's sky.

But you probably already knew that.