The Flat Earth Society

The Flat Earth Society => Suggestions & Concerns => Topic started by: Thork on December 21, 2011, 03:46:44 AM

Title: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 21, 2011, 03:46:44 AM
When are you going to give up FES?

Now John Davis has left. Awesome. Another one of the few people on this site that actually backed you, and one of the few people that actually gave a sh*t. We have no mods left. We have no FEBs. We have no wiki. We have no leader.

You are clearly not interested in TFES. You haven't been for years. You use it purely as a joke for your friends. "Look at me, I'm president of the flat earth society" - isn't that joke getting old yet? You can't be getting anything out of it. You are never here.

Traffic is dropping off, regulars are leaving, the quality of posting is at an all time low, and no one can do a damn thing about it.

You are not interested so let someone else do it. John Davis or Tom Bishop. The only two perennial features of FES. FES belongs to them. Let them steer it back to something on the internet worth visiting.

You've been a total ar*sehole about the whole thing. Your friends have all left, you haven't made any new ones because you don't post here. Please p*ss off for good and allow someone else to manage the site.

Kindest regards,

Thork
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Parsifal on December 21, 2011, 04:18:13 AM
I agree with what you say, but I just can't justify spending the amount of energy it would take to care as much as you do.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: General Disarray on December 21, 2011, 05:20:54 AM
John Davis or Tom Bishop.

These are your suggestions? John already said he is too busy for this site, and he regularly forgets promises he makes to do stuff around here, how would that be any better? And Tom apparently turned into a power-mad tyrant when he was just made a mod, and constantly lies about everything.

Maybe the site is just dying, and why do you care so much?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Verrine on December 21, 2011, 06:28:41 AM
the quality of posting is at an all time low, and no one can do a damn thing about it.

Don't worry, Thork (rooster). I'm going to post my latest discovery soon. It will surely revive this excellent site for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 21, 2011, 08:29:27 AM
And Tom apparently turned into a power-mad tyrant when he was just made a mod

Those allegations were false. It was alleged that I was going around editing posts for my own benefit, but I did not. What happened is that as a user I was used to the Reply button being at a certain place and on a few occasions I had accidentally hit the new "Modify" button instead of the "Reply" button and inserted my comments into the poster's post, which was immediately fixed on discovery, leaving the "edited by Tom Bishop" mark at the bottom.

Quote from: General Disarray
and constantly lies about everything.

Source?

Quote from: General Disarray
Maybe the site is just dying, and why do you care so much?

If the site is dying then Daniel needs to pass it onto someone else. Anyone else. A president who participates in the forum and comes around more than once every few months would make a world of difference.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 21, 2011, 09:07:34 AM
if only Lord Willmore would come back, we need him more than ever.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Rushy on December 21, 2011, 10:06:39 AM
Don't worry, if this site kicks the bucket I myself shall create a new utopia for the mega trolls of the interwebs. Maybe a site claiming the government weaponized space...maybe a nazi moon base on the dark side of the moon.

Yeah...yeah I like that.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 21, 2011, 10:15:11 AM
Isn't that what the .net site is for?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 21, 2011, 11:13:49 AM
theres a .net site?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 21, 2011, 12:26:59 PM
theres a .net site?

Lurk moar.


Wow, didn't think I'd ever have a legitimate reason to say that.

Anywho:http://theflatearthsociety.net/
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on December 21, 2011, 12:31:26 PM
Yeah leave Tom alone. He was a great mod.


Last Edit: Today at 08:30:23 PM by Tom Bishop
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Supertails on December 21, 2011, 01:46:11 PM
I completely agree with Thork (except the personal allegations). This site definitely needs to be passed to someone else (yeah, blahblah, 'but is his site he do not need to do what he no want'), because it's totally dying and losing all the members that do anything. It's now just a few of us who've been here for a long time holding up the fort in the hopes that it'll get better somehow. But we've lost Wilmore, Daniel, James, and John, and that's just out of mods. It's getting pretty ridiculous, and as fun as this site once was, now it's just watching devoted regulars hold off the trolls.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Hazbollah on December 21, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
Yeah leave Tom alone. He was a great mod.


Last Edit: Today at 08:30:23 PM by Tom Bishop
Tom is Dr. who.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 21, 2011, 02:08:08 PM
I completely agree with Thork (except the personal allegations). This site definitely needs to be passed to someone else (yeah, blahblah, 'but is his site he do not need to do what he no want'), because it's totally dying and losing all the members that do anything. It's now just a few of us who've been here for a long time holding up the fort in the hopes that it'll get better somehow. But we've lost Wilmore, Daniel, James, and John, and that's just out of mods. It's getting pretty ridiculous, and as fun as this site once was, now it's just watching devoted regulars hold off the trolls.

They may not be posting, but they are lurking.

That has to count for something.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnigmaZV on December 21, 2011, 03:35:00 PM
if only Lord Willmore would come back, we need him more than ever.

Lord Wilmore is the admin tFES deserves, but not the admin we need...

...or something like that.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 21, 2011, 03:51:33 PM
if only Lord Willmore would come back, we need him more than ever.

Lord Wilmore is the admin tFES deserves, but not the admin we need...

...or something like that.
No, Levee is the admin tFES deserves, but not the admin we need.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Sean on December 21, 2011, 04:14:39 PM
This will not work. My uncle won't give me the car in his garage just because he doesn't drive it. You see? We exist in the back of his mind, occasionally to surface and make him think of the good ol' times.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on December 21, 2011, 06:29:57 PM
Actually, Wilmore would make a great president if he ever comes  back.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Supertails on December 21, 2011, 07:55:18 PM
I completely agree with Thork (except the personal allegations). This site definitely needs to be passed to someone else (yeah, blahblah, 'but is his site he do not need to do what he no want'), because it's totally dying and losing all the members that do anything. It's now just a few of us who've been here for a long time holding up the fort in the hopes that it'll get better somehow. But we've lost Wilmore, Daniel, James, and John, and that's just out of mods. It's getting pretty ridiculous, and as fun as this site once was, now it's just watching devoted regulars hold off the trolls.

They may not be posting, but they are lurking.

That has to count for something.

It does not.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on December 22, 2011, 05:28:12 PM
Surely it wouldn't hurt to at least get some new moderators and/or for the time being. Replacing Daniel? I don't know.
But yeah, we need someone to keep things rolling, preferably someone who would succeed more often than fail.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on December 22, 2011, 11:44:12 PM
Daniel's paying for the hosting, so do fuck off.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Mizuki on December 23, 2011, 07:30:59 AM
I'm really sorry that John Davis has gone. As one of the few genuine flat earth believers who regularly posted, i feel his presence will be sorely missed.

On the positive side, i know he has gone so that he can give his time to other flat earth projects. I would like to, via this forum, wish him well and i'm looking forward to hearing how he is getting on.

Mizuki x
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on December 23, 2011, 07:59:55 AM
When are you going to give up FES?

Now John Davis has left. Awesome. Another one of the few people on this site that actually backed you, and one of the few people that actually gave a sh*t. We have no mods left. We have no FEBs. We have no wiki. We have no leader.

You are clearly not interested in TFES. You haven't been for years. You use it purely as a joke for your friends. "Look at me, I'm president of the flat earth society" - isn't that joke getting old yet? You can't be getting anything out of it. You are never here.

Traffic is dropping off, regulars are leaving, the quality of posting is at an all time low, and no one can do a damn thing about it.

You are not interested so let someone else do it. John Davis or Tom Bishop. The only two perennial features of FES. FES belongs to them. Let them steer it back to something on the internet worth visiting.

You've been a total ar*sehole about the whole thing. Your friends have all left, you haven't made any new ones because you don't post here. Please p*ss off for good and allow someone else to manage the site.

Kindest regards,

Thork

Oh, do get over yourself. You've got over 6000 posts and yet you still don't realise what this site really is? I think Daniel is doing an excellent job, and part of that job is to see just how far one can provoke idiots like yourself to anger simply by doing nothing. Don't you realise you're standing on an agar plate and Daniel is watching you through his microscope? Of course you don't, you think that you and the other FES bigwigs like Tom and John are in some way important or relevant. Stop strutting about like a bantam cock trying to impress the lady bantams.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Particle Person on December 23, 2011, 09:15:36 AM
Oh, do get over yourself. You've got over 6000 posts and yet you still don't realise what this site really is?

It would be impressive if, in your short time here, you managed to figure out what no other regular poster has. Have you considered the possibility that you're mistaken?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Hazbollah on December 23, 2011, 10:15:10 AM
When are you going to give up FES?

Now John Davis has left. Awesome. Another one of the few people on this site that actually backed you, and one of the few people that actually gave a sh*t. We have no mods left. We have no FEBs. We have no wiki. We have no leader.

You are clearly not interested in TFES. You haven't been for years. You use it purely as a joke for your friends. "Look at me, I'm president of the flat earth society" - isn't that joke getting old yet? You can't be getting anything out of it. You are never here.

Traffic is dropping off, regulars are leaving, the quality of posting is at an all time low, and no one can do a damn thing about it.

You are not interested so let someone else do it. John Davis or Tom Bishop. The only two perennial features of FES. FES belongs to them. Let them steer it back to something on the internet worth visiting.

You've been a total ar*sehole about the whole thing. Your friends have all left, you haven't made any new ones because you don't post here. Please p*ss off for good and allow someone else to manage the site.

Kindest regards,

Thork

Oh, do get over yourself. You've got over 6000 posts and yet you still don't realise what this site really is? I think Daniel is doing an excellent job, and part of that job is to see just how far one can provoke idiots like yourself to anger simply by doing nothing. Don't you realise you're standing on an agar plate and Daniel is watching you through his microscope? Of course you don't, you think that you and the other FES bigwigs like Tom and John are in some way important or relevant. Stop strutting about like a bantam cock trying to impress the lady bantams.
So what is this site? Do tell, wise master.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 23, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
Daniel's paying for the hosting, so do fuck off.

This is true, which is why Thork's confrontational approach, much like Tom's "campaign" to be elected president, will not work.  But the fact does remain that this website will continue to stall while Daniel is asleep at the wheel.  I still maintain that the best course of action is to persuade Daniel to turn over control of this message board to a senior member here who could run it more efficiently, while he continues to be president of the FES itself.  Of course, with all the senior members dropping like flies, it may be a little too late for that now.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Around And About on December 23, 2011, 10:31:30 AM
When are you going to give up FES?

Now John Davis has left. Awesome. Another one of the few people on this site that actually backed you, and one of the few people that actually gave a sh*t. We have no mods left. We have no FEBs. We have no wiki. We have no leader.

You are clearly not interested in TFES. You haven't been for years. You use it purely as a joke for your friends. "Look at me, I'm president of the flat earth society" - isn't that joke getting old yet? You can't be getting anything out of it. You are never here.

Traffic is dropping off, regulars are leaving, the quality of posting is at an all time low, and no one can do a damn thing about it.

You are not interested so let someone else do it. John Davis or Tom Bishop. The only two perennial features of FES. FES belongs to them. Let them steer it back to something on the internet worth visiting.

You've been a total ar*sehole about the whole thing. Your friends have all left, you haven't made any new ones because you don't post here. Please p*ss off for good and allow someone else to manage the site.

Kindest regards,

Thork

Oh, do get over yourself. You've got over 6000 posts and yet you still don't realise what this site really is? I think Daniel is doing an excellent job, and part of that job is to see just how far one can provoke idiots like yourself to anger simply by doing nothing. Don't you realise you're standing on an agar plate and Daniel is watching you through his microscope? Of course you don't, you think that you and the other FES bigwigs like Tom and John are in some way important or relevant. Stop strutting about like a bantam cock trying to impress the lady bantams.
So what is this site? Do tell, wise master.

If nothing else, his appraisal of Thork is accurate!
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 23, 2011, 11:07:40 AM
Daniel's paying for the hosting, so do fuck off.

This is true, which is why Thork's confrontational approach, much like Tom's "campaign" to be elected president, will not work.  But the fact does remain that this website will continue to stall while Daniel is asleep at the wheel.  I still maintain that the best course of action is to persuade Daniel to turn over control of this message board to a senior member here who could run it more efficiently, while he continues to be president of the FES itself.  Of course, with all the senior members dropping like flies, it may be a little too late for that now.

*clears throat*
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Space Cowgirl on December 23, 2011, 11:12:50 AM
Daniel's paying for the hosting, so do fuck off.

This is true, which is why Thork's confrontational approach, much like Tom's "campaign" to be elected president, will not work.  But the fact does remain that this website will continue to stall while Daniel is asleep at the wheel.  I still maintain that the best course of action is to persuade Daniel to turn over control of this message board to a senior member here who could run it more efficiently, while he continues to be president of the FES itself.  Of course, with all the senior members dropping like flies, it may be a little too late for that now.

In the few years we've been members here, I don't remember Daniel ever participating on the site much. I hope he doesn't turn the site over to anyone.  Perhaps he should appoint a couple new staff members, but turning the site over to someone else could make things so much worse. Just remember how much fun this site used to be, before all the anal rules, and the destruction of AR. Some new owner might do away with all the non-FE forums entirely.

Also, internet forums are dying, not just TFES forum. It's no surprise that new registrations are down, or that people are slowly drifting away. I hope that someday people will tire of Facebook and that forums will return to their former anonymous glory, but they probably won't... something new will come along and everyone will flock to it.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 23, 2011, 11:58:54 AM
Daniel's paying for the hosting, so do fuck off.
Lol, children. Lots of big people have money and to an adult, web hosting is pretty cheap. People like John Davis already pay for hosting so it would cost them nothing.

This is true, which is why Thork's confrontational approach, much like Tom's "campaign" to be elected president, will not work.  But the fact does remain that this website will continue to stall while Daniel is asleep at the wheel.  I still maintain that the best course of action is to persuade Daniel to turn over control of this message board to a senior member here who could run it more efficiently, while he continues to be president of the FES itself.  Of course, with all the senior members dropping like flies, it may be a little too late for that now.
I'm running out of suggestions. We've tried everything. Several years of hoping. Several years of apathy. Subtle hinting. A campaign for someone else. A direct approach. As you say it may already be too late. :( Its just frustrating that the answer to every issue always boils down to 'Daniel'.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on December 23, 2011, 12:18:53 PM
I fail to see how turning over control of the forums would make this place more fun, get more members, or run more efficiently. What, is the new owner of the website going to put up "Join the FES!" banners all over the internet? The things that people bitch about when it comes to Daniel has absolutely nothing to do with why this site is dying. I have been here for over two years now. Want to know how many times I have read pages on the wiki? About three times, and doubt anybody else has either. I seriously doubt any newcomers bother to look at it, even if it did have lots of good content and was updated. Angry Ranting? All that would do is provide entertainment for regulars, while at the same time drive off new people. Remember that everyone started off as an angry noob. But if you humiliate and taunt the noobs to the point of driving them away instead of letting them figure it out, our regular count would drop by a lot.

For all the years the FES has been up, Daniel has consistently not been active, yet there has still been lots of activity. The reason why the FES had been so boring is the lack of interesting characters, and an increase of people that feel the necessity to complain (Thork). If we had people like CR90, sokural, Horatio, and Clocktower to laugh at all the time, nobody would even think twice about bitching at Daniel.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on December 23, 2011, 02:10:04 PM
When are you going to give up FES?

Now John Davis has left. Awesome. Another one of the few people on this site that actually backed you, and one of the few people that actually gave a sh*t. We have no mods left. We have no FEBs. We have no wiki. We have no leader.

You are clearly not interested in TFES. You haven't been for years. You use it purely as a joke for your friends. "Look at me, I'm president of the flat earth society" - isn't that joke getting old yet? You can't be getting anything out of it. You are never here.

Traffic is dropping off, regulars are leaving, the quality of posting is at an all time low, and no one can do a damn thing about it.

You are not interested so let someone else do it. John Davis or Tom Bishop. The only two perennial features of FES. FES belongs to them. Let them steer it back to something on the internet worth visiting.

You've been a total ar*sehole about the whole thing. Your friends have all left, you haven't made any new ones because you don't post here. Please p*ss off for good and allow someone else to manage the site.

Kindest regards,

Thork

Oh, do get over yourself. You've got over 6000 posts and yet you still don't realise what this site really is? I think Daniel is doing an excellent job, and part of that job is to see just how far one can provoke idiots like yourself to anger simply by doing nothing. Don't you realise you're standing on an agar plate and Daniel is watching you through his microscope? Of course you don't, you think that you and the other FES bigwigs like Tom and John are in some way important or relevant. Stop strutting about like a bantam cock trying to impress the lady bantams.
So what is this site? Do tell, wise master.

The information is there in my post. I suggest you look up "agar plate", "microscope" and also probably "petri dish" if you're having trouble understanding the analogy.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on December 23, 2011, 02:35:28 PM
Just because you like to think this site is a big joke doesn't mean it is. Daniel wouldn't publicly humiliate and socially outcast himself just for lulz. In case you didn't know, Daniel has done plenty of real world interviews. People know he believes the Earth is flat.

You are just like every other angry noob here that just doesn't get it, so they make up their own reason why this site is here.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on December 23, 2011, 03:52:29 PM
Just because you like to think this site is a big joke doesn't mean it is. Daniel wouldn't publicly humiliate and socially outcast himself just for lulz. In case you didn't know, Daniel has done plenty of real world interviews. People know he believes the Earth is flat.

You are just like every other angry noob here that just doesn't get it, so they make up their own reason why this site is here.

Oh yeah? There's more evidence that I'm right than there is that the earth is flat. You can't prove this site isn't simply a social experiment into emergent behaviour. Plus, a whole lot of people make up wild ideas just to get their names in the papers.
Anyone who's seen the show Lost: think of the Pearl Station.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Hazbollah on December 23, 2011, 04:00:33 PM
Knowledge, what is wrong with you? Do you honestly think that any opposing opinion to your own is either a joke or an elaborate social experiment? Are you that arrogant? To be honest, if your head was any further up your own arse you'd implode.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on December 23, 2011, 05:22:07 PM
Just because you like to think this site is a big joke doesn't mean it is. Daniel wouldn't publicly humiliate and socially outcast himself just for lulz. In case you didn't know, Daniel has done plenty of real world interviews. People know he believes the Earth is flat.

You are just like every other angry noob here that just doesn't get it, so they make up their own reason why this site is here.

Oh yeah? There's more evidence that I'm right than there is that the earth is flat. You can't prove this site isn't simply a social experiment into emergent behaviour. Plus, a whole lot of people make up wild ideas just to get their names in the papers.
Anyone who's seen the show Lost: think of the Pearl Station.

"I have lots of evidence this is a social experiment"
>reference television show
>you can't prove something doesn't exist

Nice evidence.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Parsifal on December 23, 2011, 05:43:32 PM
Daniel's paying for the hosting, so do fuck off.
Lol, children. Lots of big people have money and to an adult, web hosting is pretty cheap. People like John Davis already pay for hosting so it would cost them nothing.

This is correct, but irrelevant. Only one of the three previous alternate FES forums gained any sort of momentum while this one was operational, and even then it wasn't enough to become the FES. Why? Because people chose to continue to post here.

As I've said numerous times before, Daniel will remain in charge because people want him to be in charge. If they didn't, they would post elsewhere. And as long as most people want Daniel in charge, there's nothing you can do about it.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 24, 2011, 01:06:44 AM
I think English is right. We're losing good characters faster than they're being replaced. People get burned out debating for or against FES. I hate to say it but the angry noobs have worn us down. I think Tom Bishop is probably next to leave simply from noob fatigue.


But all forums must die in the end. No subject, no matter how awesome, can keep bringing new people forever.  And no changes are going to fix that either. Not unless there is some major FES breakthrough that goes viral. Or at least a fake video that goes viral.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on December 24, 2011, 04:31:05 AM
Just because you like to think this site is a big joke doesn't mean it is. Daniel wouldn't publicly humiliate and socially outcast himself just for lulz. In case you didn't know, Daniel has done plenty of real world interviews. People know he believes the Earth is flat.

You are just like every other angry noob here that just doesn't get it, so they make up their own reason why this site is here.

Oh yeah? There's more evidence that I'm right than there is that the earth is flat. You can't prove this site isn't simply a social experiment into emergent behaviour. Plus, a whole lot of people make up wild ideas just to get their names in the papers.
Anyone who's seen the show Lost: think of the Pearl Station.

"I have lots of evidence this is a social experiment"
>reference television show
>you can't prove something doesn't exist

Nice evidence.

I'm going to spell it out to you because it went over your head: the comparison of my evidence of a social experiment with your evidence of a flat earth was meant to be an ironic joke about absence of evidence as well as a serious suggestion. That's why I made that comparison. Wake up, pinhead.
You also fail to see the irony in saying I can't possibly be correct and you take Daniel's motives at face value, whilst rubbishing RE'ers for believing what they're told by NASA etc. in other threads.
It amuses me how angry you guys are getting because deep down, you know there's a chance I might be right. Do you think your attitude is going to attract new people to want to post here?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 24, 2011, 05:39:50 AM
Just because you like to think this site is a big joke doesn't mean it is. Daniel wouldn't publicly humiliate and socially outcast himself just for lulz. In case you didn't know, Daniel has done plenty of real world interviews. People know he believes the Earth is flat.

You are just like every other angry noob here that just doesn't get it, so they make up their own reason why this site is here.

Oh yeah? There's more evidence that I'm right than there is that the earth is flat. You can't prove this site isn't simply a social experiment into emergent behaviour. Plus, a whole lot of people make up wild ideas just to get their names in the papers.
Anyone who's seen the show Lost: think of the Pearl Station.

"I have lots of evidence this is a social experiment"
>reference television show
>you can't prove something doesn't exist

Nice evidence.

I'm going to spell it out to you because it went over your head: the comparison of my evidence of a social experiment with your evidence of a flat earth was meant to be an ironic joke about absence of evidence as well as a serious suggestion. That's why I made that comparison. Wake up, pinhead.
You also fail to see the irony in saying I can't possibly be correct and you take Daniel's motives at face value, whilst rubbishing RE'ers for believing what they're told by NASA etc. in other threads.
That would be hypocrisy, not irony I think.

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It amuses me how angry you guys are getting because deep down, you know there's a chance I might be right. Do you think your attitude is going to attract new people to want to post here?
Didn't you say your goal was to warn people away from this site?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on December 24, 2011, 06:23:49 AM
Didn't you say your goal was to warn people away from this site?

Irrelevant. The rest of you want people to stay to help you troll, and you want fresh meat to come to be trolled.
Do you really think getting on your high horse about why Daniel hosts this site will help that? I personally don't care what happens to it.
I keep seeing the constant use of the phrase "angry noobs" to describe people like myself, Clocktower, and anyone else who makes good arguments against FET. We are neither noobs, nor particularly angry (well maybe Clocktower is).
The regulars are leaving because people like us have got so good at countering almost any FE argument you care to throw at us that the trolling simply doesn't succeed enough to make it worthwhile bashing away at it.
And before anyone accuses me of having my head up my arse, prove that the majority of FE'ers aren't trolls, and prove that Daniel isn't just setting up this site to see what maggots germinate in here for his own amusement, and prove that my opinions are in any way less valid than your own.
You can't, so put a sock in it. Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Parsifal on December 24, 2011, 06:34:16 AM
nor particularly angry

The rest of your post begs to differ.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: markjo on December 24, 2011, 07:38:21 AM
Personally, I don't think that the problem is with Dainiel's leadership or lack thereof.   I don't see how anyone is going to take FES and FET seriously until FE'ers start taking FES and FET seriously.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 24, 2011, 07:59:11 AM
@ the ever-increasingly ironically named user known as "The Knowledge":

It's utterly amazing to me that with your five months of active experience on these forums you think you understand them better than the (many) intelligent people who have been here for years.

The thought has crossed my mind that Daniel started this site as a social experiment.  It's likely crossed most of our minds.  I'm sure there are other users who have come to this conclusion, and I'll be the first to admit that we can only guess at what Daniel had in mind when he started this site.  In a way, that's part of its allure.  I don't know if Daniel really believes the Earth is flat and I really don't care, because it's irrelevant.

Yes, this site has its share of trolls.  Let's get that out of the way.  Most of them manage to advertise it sooner or later (or, as is the case with Crusty, nearly every post).

For most of us, this site isn't about trolling.  It's about debate.  There's a lot of honest debate that goes on here, even if it is in favor of a seemingly indefensible position.  That's the attraction of it.  Some people really just enjoy arguing in favor of something they don't really believe, for the intellectual thrill of it. 

Understand, that is not trolling.  The FET forums are exactly what they advertise themselves to be (one of the reasons I doubt any ulterior motives on Daniel's part in the creation of this site).  We tell you this is going to happen on the front page.

Quote from: front page
Flat Earth Debate

This board is reserved for debates on Flat Earth Theory.

We do get many reasonable people who understand this concept, and actively try to engage us in intelligent debate (as much as it pains me to say this, Clocktower actually falls into this category most of the time).

And then we get the angry noobs, like you, who for some reason seem to see (or represent yourselves to see) this site as some kind of threat, and instead of engaging in legitimate debate, mostly rant about how none of us really believe what we're arguing.

Who's the troll?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on December 24, 2011, 08:06:29 AM
I'm troll
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 24, 2011, 08:12:39 AM
Yes.

Well, now that I got that out of my system, I guess it wouldn't hurt to point out that I do miss the days when this site was more thriving.  It's not what it used to be, that's for sure.

But I don't think people like The Knowledge or Clocktower have anything to do with it.  Sooner or later people just get bored, and there just hasn't been enough new people to fill in the gaps.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on December 24, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Maybe some of the more experienced editors (not me) should become mods and some of the mods could become admins.

Also, why the hell are you guys arguing with Knowledge about why the site exists? I personally cannot think of a reason to give a flying **** about what he thinks.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on December 24, 2011, 08:55:16 AM
The Knowledge is the test that London Taxi drivers have to take before they can become London Taxi drivers. And that is after three years of study.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 24, 2011, 09:23:41 AM
The Knowledge is the test that London Taxi drivers have to take before they can become London Taxi drivers. And that is after three years of study.
@ London Taxi drivers ... SAT NAV.

Yes.

Well, now that I got that out of my system, I guess it wouldn't hurt to point out that I do miss the days when this site was more thriving.  It's not what it used to be, that's for sure.

But I don't think people like The Knowledge or Clocktower have anything to do with it.  Sooner or later people just get bored, and there just hasn't been enough new people to fill in the gaps.
I think it is more because it was made too exclusive. People like Wilmore came to the site as RErs but were welcomed by existing members and allowed to be FEBs and develop theories etc etc. Then those who were 'in' decided to exclude and distance themselves from anyone else who was new. James and Ichi could make theories about almost anything. Anyone else who tried got called for trolling. There was a race to the bottom or moonshramping. The hint wasn't taken. The old boys were sure no one else could do as good a job.
People like English, Pizza, Pongo, Crusty myself etc etc were never allowed to be part of the team. We have been called trolls by John Davis and similar for ages, not allowed into the 'club' and despite dwindling numbers remained excluded. Whose side are we all on now? Our own. There is no FE team anymore. There are no suitable people to choose as mods, because shown such lack of loyalty from the site, you get a lack of loyalty back. It is very easy to get frustrated when your efforts add up to naught. There was no shortage of new people. FES ignored them all.
I have over 6000 posts, PizzaPlanet has even more. I know how the site works, I know tons of FET, I know all the members, been here ages ... should be an ideal candidate for mod. But I have absolutely no interest in doing anything for this site. I used to 'do my bit' in the upper fora, now I only post when it suits me. If a noob makes a post about Coriolis or something, I'll leave it. Don't welcome them any more, don't give them the answer, couldn't care less if they stay or not. If the guy that owns the site doesn't give a crap, why should I? I would be a terrible mod, because I only post for me nowadays and feel no sense of loyalty. I'd just ban people I don't like because the site's well being is low down on my priority list.
Bad attitude? Yep.
But its not because new people didn't come to fill the roles. Its because they were all pushed to one side.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on December 24, 2011, 09:32:53 AM
And they took away the hot-water machine. That was when it really went down hill. Also when they started charging for the condiments like the Tomato Sauce and the Salad Cream. And why do they insist on having plastic cutlery at the weekends? Surely it's more economical to have metal ones and just wash them along with the rest during the week.

When will this madness end?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Mrs. Peach on December 24, 2011, 09:44:48 AM
What the heck is 'Salad Cream?'

This site is still entertaining, guys.  I just don't see the need for this Daniel bashing.

As for Daniel's motives for setting up the FES, maybe as I was, he was attracted by the history and the characters of the more modern flat earth movement and chose to memorialize it and them.  Maybe not but whatever the motive and whatever the intended and the unintented by-products, he has been successful.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on December 24, 2011, 09:59:14 AM
What the heck is 'Salad Cream?'

It's a general anesthetic used in brain salad surgery.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Mrs. Peach on December 24, 2011, 10:00:47 AM
Ah.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on December 24, 2011, 10:09:28 AM
Gayer has not been very active in the number game this month and as a result this month has several thousand less posts than normal.  :(
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Mrs. Peach on December 24, 2011, 10:13:22 AM
Gayer has not been very active in the number game this month and as a result this month has several thousand less posts than normal.  :(

Sadly true.

And might I suggest to the ambitious that they try again and find a niche that isn't already occupied.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Hazbollah on December 24, 2011, 12:52:19 PM
What the heck is 'Salad Cream?'

Basically poor mayo with vinegar.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on December 24, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
What the heck is 'Salad Cream?'


It's cream you put on a salad after tossing it.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on December 24, 2011, 07:27:46 PM
Personally, I don't think that the problem is with Dainiel's leadership or lack thereof.
At least we'd see you de-modded by now if someone was actually running this place. That would be a decent start.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: sillyrob on December 24, 2011, 08:49:45 PM
I don't understand why people get so butthurt over what happens on this site.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on December 24, 2011, 10:26:51 PM
I don't understand why people get so butthurt over what happens on this site.
That's likely because you're deeply convinced FE'ers don't exist.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lord Wilmore on December 24, 2011, 10:43:22 PM
I feel I should say something about all this, starting with my absence. It's partly due to decreasing free time, and partly due to increasing frustration. Most of my spare hours are allocated to reading/writing for college or pleasure, and the remainder spent socialising with *gasp* real people. Between my classmates and my girlfriend's, I now exist in a nexus of philosophers and literary critics, all of whom are huge nerds, and as such, drinking and talking IRL has never been so enjoyable. At the same time, it's very hard to motivate myself to come here, because as an admin, I'm supposed to, you know, do stuff. As a result, when I can't come here regularly, it feels like a huge pile of work is buliding up that I naughtily haven't done, and because I don't want to deal with it, I stay away.


That's the decreasing-free-time bit. It ties into the increasing-frustration bit, because it's even harder to motivate myself to come here and perform the sisyphean task of modding and defending FET when there's such an inescapable sense of stagnation. That, I will openly admit, is largely due to the 'Daniel Problem'. It's just extremely frustrating to answer so many constructive criticisms and suggestions by saying "Only Daniel can do that", which as we all know is mod-doublespeak for "Ain't gonna happen".


Now, I'm not criticising Daniel for not getting things done or being active enough around here. Daniel has a job (which funds this site), a relationship and a life. These things require time, and obviously have priority over FES. Indeed, I would be the most hypocritical of hypocrites if I took issue with that - I frequently drop off the radar for months because of real-world demands on my time. The difference is that when I vanish, Daniel or Jack can take up the slack admin-wise, and the other mods can take up the slack modding-wise. Simply put, when I am unable to carry out my duties as Supreme Forum Janitor, others can cover for me. However, if something on the site needs doing or fixing or improvng, only Daniel can do the job. So when he's gone, progress on that front grinds to a halt.


Let's take a simple example, like the forum banner/skin. It's ugly, and nobody (Daniel included) seems to like it. I know I couldn't put together a decent replacement, but I'm certain there are loads of people here who could come up with something awesome. It would be great if we could open it up to members and ask them to give it a try, and then upload and install the new theme. However, because Daniel is either unwilling or (as I suspect) unable to start such a project, we're left staring at the ugly original months after the upgrade. It would also be great if when a member put forward a constructive idea to improve the site, we could meet it with an enthusiasm grounded in the possibility of its realisation, instead of considering it with apathy or hyper-criticism borne of the clear futility of positive discussion. It's hard not to become despondent about the administrative situation when I see a cool, thought-out suggestion that I know is going absolutely nowhere.


The obvious solution, as I said to Daniel in the mod board, is very simple. Daniel needs to delegate technical and decision-making responsibility the same way he delegates moderating responsibility. In other words, he needs to let us make some decisions in his absence, and appoint a technical administrator so that we can actually act upon them. John is the obvious candidate for that post, or at least he was when I said all this three months ago. Since then, he has decided to leave, apparently due to what he sees as the declining atmosphere and culture of the forum. However, I can't help but feel that frustration at the site's administrative stasis is a significant factor in his decision to bow out. After all, he's happy to put his time into his new FE project, which I think says a lot about the potential he sees for furthering such initiatives here at .org. Moreover, I feel the sense of stagnation has been at least partly responsible for the bad vibe that has developed in the forum. I can't prove it or point to any evidence, but I definitely think it's a root cause.


Indeed, I feel like a case in point. Having politely (and at some length) made the above suggestions, which I felt to be both obvious and reasonable, I received no response from Daniel, even though he replied to the thread several days later. When the issue is so apparent, and attempts to address it are simply ignored, it becomes very hard to constantly play the apologist. Hence this rant of sorts.


I do want to make a couple of things clear. First of all, I enjoy chatting, debating and shooting the shit here for its own sake. I don't just come here to be an internet Nazi. For that reason, I've considered hanging up my admin boots, just so I won't be put-off coming here by all of the above, and can start enjoying FES properly. However, I'm still hopeful Daniel will do something to address the situation, perhaps over the holidays. So I wait, perhaps in vain, for a real solution.


Secondly, I still think Daniel should continue to be President, and that the idea of him stepping down has no real merit. Daniel has refounded and funded the society, and has worked hard to put meat on the bones of what was originally only a discussion forum. I just wish he'd loosen the reins and let others help out more. It would be good for everyone involved, and above all good for the Flat Earth Society.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 24, 2011, 11:07:44 PM
Thank you for your sincerity, Wilmore.  I'd like to point out that it's not just you, and it's not just Daniel.  Jack is not around that often either.  James rarely posts.  Divito has apparently bowed out completely.  And now John has announced he's leaving.

There are some holes to fill, and Daniel is the only one who can fill them.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 24, 2011, 11:52:54 PM
Secondly, I still think Daniel should continue to be President, and that the idea of him stepping down has no real merit.

Disgustingly false. Daniel only shows his face on here once every few months. We need better than that.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 12:19:51 AM
Secondly, I still think Daniel should continue to be President, and that the idea of him stepping down has no real merit.

Disgustingly false. Daniel only shows his face on here once every few months. We need better than that.
Tom, your reputation pales in comparison. How could you ever criticize Daniel when you've been caught repeated in lies? Especially, the "I took this picture of the rising Moon in my backyard. See it's bigger!" and "I can see beach balls across the Bay with my telescope." lies eliminate you as a critic or a replacement
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Parsifal on December 25, 2011, 12:47:47 AM
I'm still amazed that people actually think there's hope of things changing. We've been having problems with the forum software for two years already (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=42654) (note that post mentions it being ongoing for a year at the time of posting), with very little being done in the way of fixing it, despite offers of help from at least myself and John Davis. When I contacted Daniel after the site got hacked and offered to help troubleshoot the problem, given my experience with investigating sites using badly written CMSes that get hacked at work, I received no reply whatsoever. Not even a "thanks, but no thanks."

Yes, the way things are run is bullshit, but if they haven't changed since 2009 when this whole shebang got started, they aren't going to change at all. Your tl;dr ranting is perfectly valid, but entirely inconsequential. Live with it.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 25, 2011, 01:47:29 AM
The only solution I see to the Daniel problem of the forum is to move to Parsifal's forum.  Leadership of the society then becomes irrelevant.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Parsifal on December 25, 2011, 02:24:17 AM
The only solution I see to the Daniel problem of the forum is to move to Parsifal's forum.  Leadership of the society then becomes irrelevant.

I took my forum offline because nobody was using it. I can easily bring it back if necessary, but I don't see why people would suddenly want to use it the second time around.

As I said, people have indicated that they want Daniel in charge by posting here. If they want Daniel in charge, why would they move?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 25, 2011, 03:58:24 AM
Secondly, I still think Daniel should continue to be President, and that the idea of him stepping down has no real merit.

Disgustingly false. Daniel only shows his face on here once every few months. We need better than that.
Tom, your reputation pales in comparison. How could you ever criticize Daniel when you've been caught repeated in lies? Especially, the "I took this picture of the rising Moon in my backyard. See it's bigger!" and "I can see beach balls across the Bay with my telescope." lies eliminate you as a critic or a replacement
Give Tom a break. Its xmas day and he is by far the best FEr we have. He's always here, he's always fighting the cause and you know without him, the upper fora would slip even further into decline. To lose Tom would be another massive blow for the site. How many hours has he spent entertaining you and thousands of others?
Too many people left this site because they feel under-appreciated. Lets not give Tom the wrong impression as well. He's awesome and is as important as anyone to TFES.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on December 25, 2011, 04:16:22 AM
Tom is FES
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 25, 2011, 08:18:45 AM
The only solution I see to the Daniel problem of the forum is to move to Parsifal's forum.  Leadership of the society then becomes irrelevant.

heh heh
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: sillyrob on December 25, 2011, 09:06:23 AM
I don't understand why people get so butthurt over what happens on this site.
That's likely because you're deeply convinced FE'ers don't exist.
I know there are a few real FE'ers.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Space Cowgirl on December 25, 2011, 12:43:31 PM
Welcome back and merry Christmas Wilmore!
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on December 25, 2011, 04:35:24 PM
@ the ever-increasingly ironically named user known as "The Knowledge":

It's utterly amazing to me that with your five months of active experience on these forums you think you understand them better than the (many) intelligent people who have been here for years.

The thought has crossed my mind that Daniel started this site as a social experiment.  It's likely crossed most of our minds.  I'm sure there are other users who have come to this conclusion, and I'll be the first to admit that we can only guess at what Daniel had in mind when he started this site.  In a way, that's part of its allure.  I don't know if Daniel really believes the Earth is flat and I really don't care, because it's irrelevant.

Yes, this site has its share of trolls.  Let's get that out of the way.  Most of them manage to advertise it sooner or later (or, as is the case with Crusty, nearly every post).

For most of us, this site isn't about trolling.  It's about debate.  There's a lot of honest debate that goes on here, even if it is in favor of a seemingly indefensible position.  That's the attraction of it.  Some people really just enjoy arguing in favor of something they don't really believe, for the intellectual thrill of it. 

Understand, that is not trolling.  The FET forums are exactly what they advertise themselves to be (one of the reasons I doubt any ulterior motives on Daniel's part in the creation of this site).  We tell you this is going to happen on the front page.

Quote from: front page
Flat Earth Debate

This board is reserved for debates on Flat Earth Theory.

We do get many reasonable people who understand this concept, and actively try to engage us in intelligent debate (as much as it pains me to say this, Clocktower actually falls into this category most of the time).

And then we get the angry noobs, like you, who for some reason seem to see (or represent yourselves to see) this site as some kind of threat, and instead of engaging in legitimate debate, mostly rant about how none of us really believe what we're arguing.

Who's the troll?

Again and again and again, attempts at discrediting me based simply on "I've been here longer than you so I must be right and you must be wrong."
I suggests you take a look at history to see just how invalid an argument that is.
And then you render your scorn at me pointless by admitting that you have thought Daniel's motives might be what I say they are, and are unable to prove otherwise.  :P
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: CheesusCrust on December 25, 2011, 06:12:22 PM
It's not only Daniel, most of the mods are too inactive.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Parsifal on December 25, 2011, 06:19:27 PM
It's not only Daniel, most of the mods are too inactive.

Actually, that's only a symptom of Daniel being inactive. If he were around, or if he appointed someone to make decisions on his behalf, we would have new mods.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on December 26, 2011, 10:01:44 AM
We should try to get in contact with him.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 26, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
We should try to get in contact with him.
Should we all sit in a circle with our eyes closed and join hands?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on December 26, 2011, 10:09:27 AM
We should try to get in contact with him.
Should we all sit in a circle with our eyes closed and join hands?

I was thinking of more... stalkerish... methods. If one of the mods can get his IP, we could probably find his phone number and call him.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 26, 2011, 10:25:32 AM
We should try to get in contact with him.
Should we all sit in a circle with our eyes closed and join hands?

I was thinking of more... stalkerish... methods. If one of the mods can get his IP, we could probably find his phone number and call him.

What? Do you understand the internet at all? If you want Daniel's phone number, just use the internet.

Quote from: http://www.whois.net/whois/theflatearthsociety.org
Admin Name:Daniel Shenton
Admin Organization:The Flat Earth Society
Admin Street1:PO Box 62457
Admin Street2:1 Hull Place
Admin Street3:
Admin City:London
Admin State/Province:--
Admin Postal Code:E16 9AG
Admin Country:GB
Admin Phone:+44.07971459627
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:daniel@theflatearthsociety.org
There you go. Phone him, e-mail him, send him some poo in the post. Its all yours.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: NASA_Lies on December 26, 2011, 02:15:42 PM
Knowledge, what is wrong with you? Do you honestly think that any opposing opinion to your own is either a joke or an elaborate social experiment? Are you that arrogant? To be honest, if your head was any further up your own arse you'd implode.

This is one of the most hilariously ironic things I've ever read.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 26, 2011, 02:39:57 PM
Again and again and again, attempts at discrediting me based simply on "I've been here longer than you so I must be right and you must be wrong."
I suggests you take a look at history to see just how invalid an argument that is.
And then you render your scorn at me pointless by admitting that you have thought Daniel's motives might be what I say they are, and are unable to prove otherwise.  :P

Nobody is saying that.  You keep claiming that this is a troll website or is otherwise insincere, but you never post any solid evidence to try and support it.  Even if you don't mean it that way, this implies that you're speaking from general experience.  In which case, your general inexperience becomes a very relevant point.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 26, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
Again and again and again, attempts at discrediting me based simply on "I've been here longer than you so I must be right and you must be wrong."
I suggests you take a look at history to see just how invalid an argument that is.
And then you render your scorn at me pointless by admitting that you have thought Daniel's motives might be what I say they are, and are unable to prove otherwise.  :P

Nobody is saying that.  You keep claiming that this is a troll website or is otherwise insincere, but you never post any solid evidence to try and support it.  Even if you don't mean it that way, this implies that you're speaking from general experience.  In which case, your general inexperience becomes a very relevant point.

Meh, it's just trolling.  It's probably best that we pay it no mind from here on out because it's clearly not worth the effort.  Feeding it will surely only make it happy and want to troll more.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Parsifal on December 26, 2011, 08:06:52 PM
What? Do you understand the internet at all? If you want Daniel's phone number, just use the internet.

Quote from: http://www.whois.net/whois/theflatearthsociety.org
Admin Name:Daniel Shenton
Admin Organization:The Flat Earth Society
Admin Street1:PO Box 62457
Admin Street2:1 Hull Place
Admin Street3:
Admin City:London
Admin State/Province:--
Admin Postal Code:E16 9AG
Admin Country:GB
Admin Phone:+44.07971459627
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:daniel@theflatearthsociety.org
There you go. Phone him, e-mail him, send him some poo in the post. Its all yours.

>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

(http://images.steven-mcdonald.id.au/girls-laughing)
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on December 26, 2011, 10:38:30 PM
We should try to get in contact with him.
Should we all sit in a circle with our eyes closed and join hands?

I was thinking of more... stalkerish... methods. If one of the mods can get his IP, we could probably find his phone number and call him.

What? Do you understand the internet at all? If you want Daniel's phone number, just use the internet.

Quote from: http://www.whois.net/whois/theflatearthsociety.org
Admin Name:Daniel Shenton
Admin Organization:The Flat Earth Society
Admin Street1:PO Box 62457
Admin Street2:1 Hull Place
Admin Street3:
Admin City:London
Admin State/Province:--
Admin Postal Code:E16 9AG
Admin Country:GB
Admin Phone:+44.07971459627
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:daniel@theflatearthsociety.org
There you go. Phone him, e-mail him, send him some poo in the post. Its all yours.
I'm not saying whois is rocket science, but sometimes things are much simpler than that (http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=67).
I could also post a picture of his calling card, which he puts in pretty much all his mail, but it's all the way in England, and I'm all the way in not-England right now.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 27, 2011, 09:49:38 AM
... something patronising and irrelevant
Being as PizzaPlanet's info is identical, it is likely the number I supplied is not 'fake'. The point was that there are dozens of ways to get info like that very easily, and digging about for IP addresses is a bit silly.

Anyway, I'd like to know how that phone call went so update me please Tausami.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 27, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 27, 2011, 10:07:19 AM
One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.
... interesting ... maybe TFES can be saved? ...  :-\
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 27, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
If Daniel abandons the site for months at a time again and is not contactable by his whois info then we can make a complaint and have the domain removed from his possession. Hopefully then it can be re-registered and put up as a proper society.

Below is an excerpt from ICANN's Registrar Accreditation Agreement (http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/advisory-10may02.htm)--


Complaints can be made here: http://wdprs.internic.net/
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 27, 2011, 12:16:01 PM
Oh, great, Tom is doing his lawyer troll again. ::)
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on December 27, 2011, 04:18:54 PM
... something patronising and irrelevant
Being as PizzaPlanet's info is identical, it is likely the number I supplied is not 'fake'. The point was that there are dozens of ways to get info like that very easily, and digging about for IP addresses is a bit silly.

Anyway, I'd like to know how that phone call went so update me please Tausami.

There's exactly zero chance of me making an international call to him. I forgot he lives in England. I sent him an email and posted on his twitter. Hopefully he'll respond. If not, who else lives over there (and is still active)?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Parsifal on December 27, 2011, 09:32:32 PM
>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.

There is a big difference between registry policy and what actually happens in practice.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: theonlydann on December 27, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
I stand behind Daniel, and defend his presidency.

He was never active. He will never be active.

Look within if you want to see the reason TFES is failing

(also someone make me a mod)
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: General Disarray on December 28, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
If Daniel abandons the site for months at a time again and is not contactable by his whois info then we can make a complaint and have the domain removed from his possession. Hopefully then it can be re-registered and put up as a proper society.

Below is an excerpt from ICANN's Registrar Accreditation Agreement (http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/advisory-10may02.htm)--

    3.7.7.2 A Registered Name Holder's willful provision of inaccurate or unreliable information, its willful failure promptly to update information provided to Registrar, or its failure to respond for over fifteen calendar days to inquiries by Registrar concerning the accuracy of contact details associated with the Registered Name Holder's registration shall constitute a material breach of the Registered Name Holder-registrar contract and be a basis for cancellation of the Registered Name registration.

Complaints can be made here: http://wdprs.internic.net/

So are you going to actually do something for once instead of just bitching about someone else?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2011, 01:02:11 PM
>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.

There is a big difference between registry policy is what actually happens in practice.

Canceling domains with bogus whois info is what happens in practice.

What if I need to serve Daniel with a lawsuit and can't because of his fake whois info?

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So are you going to actually do something for once instead of just bitching about someone else?

I've made my complaint. I suggest others who wish to see change with this site do the same.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: markjo on December 28, 2011, 01:28:57 PM
>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.

There is a big difference between registry policy is what actually happens in practice.

Canceling domains with bogus whois info is what happens in practice.

What if I need to serve Daniel with a lawsuit and can't because of his fake whois info?

Private investigators are quite good at tracking people down.

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So are you going to actually do something for once instead of just bitching about someone else?

I've made my complaint. I suggest others who wish to see change with this site do the same.

What do you believe that Daniel has done or not done that the ICANN should care about?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2011, 03:08:16 PM
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Private investigators are quite good at tracking people down.

Why should we need to hire a private investigator to track Daniel down? As per ICANN, Whois info is supposed to be reliable and accurate.

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What do you believe that Daniel has done or not done that the ICANN should care about?

Daniel abandons the site for months at a time. In previous threads we've tried the phone number without success.

Daniel's neglect and shenanigans have gone on long enough. He deserves to have the site forcefully removed from his possession.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: markjo on December 28, 2011, 03:58:45 PM
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Private investigators are quite good at tracking people down.

Why should we need to hire a private investigator to track Daniel down? As per ICANN, Whois info is supposed to be reliable and accurate.

What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

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What do you believe that Daniel has done or not done that the ICANN should care about?

Daniel abandons the site for months at a time.

So, why should ICANN care about that?

In previous threads we've tried the phone number without success.

Who is "we"?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
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What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

Because on numerous occasions people on this forum have tried to contact him without success.

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So, why should ICANN care about that?

ICANN says that the Whois should be accurate and the owner should be responsive within fifteen days. If the contact information is false, or if Daniel is not responsive within fifteen days, then his domain is canceled.

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Who is "we"?

The people on this forum.

ICANN and the Registrar will ultimately be the judge of whether or not Daniel is contactable through his whois info, and will proceed accordingly.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Space Cowgirl on December 28, 2011, 04:10:38 PM
Are you threatening to contact ICANN to report Daniel?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on December 28, 2011, 04:12:00 PM
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What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

Because on numerous occasions people on this forum have tried to contact him without success.

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So, why should ICANN care about that?

ICANN says that the Whois should be accurate and the owner should be responsive within fifteen days. If the contact information is false, or if Daniel is not responsive within fifteen days, then his domain is canceled.

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Who is "we"?

The people on this forum.

ICANN and the Registrar will ultimately be the judge of whether or not Daniel is contactable through his whois info, and will proceed accordingly.
Tom, you're smoking your socks again.

1) You could get a even better name and run a better site without Daniel. But like Columbia University, you'll just complain rather than act.
2) If Daniel lost the domain, it's unlikely that you or any FEer will get control. The site has enough hits that the experts at grabbing domains will show up and defeat you.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on December 28, 2011, 04:12:20 PM
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What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

Because on numerous occasions people on this forum have tried to contact him without success.

Do you have proof that people actually tried to contact him? Furthermore if you do, do you have prove in inability to contact him was due to unreliable and inaccurate information, and not just Daniel not replying? Daniel does not have to respond to people if he does not wish to.

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So, why should ICANN care about that?

ICANN says that the Whois should be accurate and owner should be responsive within fifteen days. If the contact information is false, or if Daniel is not responsive within fifteen days, then his domain is canceled.

Only if Daniel is unresponsive to the Registrar itself, not to random people on the internet.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: markjo on December 28, 2011, 04:12:35 PM
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What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

Because on numerous occasions people on this forum have tried to contact him without success.

That's funny, I've managed to email him successfully.

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So, why should ICANN care about that?

ICANN says that the Whois should be accurate and the owner should be responsive within fifteen days. If the contact information is false, or if Daniel is not responsive within fifteen days, then his domain is canceled.

What makes you think that Daniel hasn't responded to ICANN within 15 days of being contacted?

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Who is "we"?

The people on this forum.

Which people on this forum?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2011, 04:21:47 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman
Do you have proof that people actually tried to contact him? Furthermore if you do, do you have prove in inability to contact him was due to unreliable and inaccurate information, and not just Daniel not replying? Daniel does not have to respond to people if he does not wish to.

It's out of my hands now. A complaint has been submitted. ICANN and the Registrar will be the judge of whether Daniel is contactable or not.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman
Only if Daniel is unresponsive to the Registrar itself, not to random people on the internet

ICANN and the Registrar will be the judge of his responsiveness.

Quote from: markjo
That's funny, I've managed to email him successfully.

ICANN will be the judge of that.

Quote from: markjo
What makes you think that Daniel hasn't responded to ICANN within 15 days of being contacted?

I don't know whether Daniel will respond to ICANN or not. But if he has abandoned the site for several months at a time again then I suspect not. If his Whois information is false, or if he does not respond within 15 days, then he can kiss his website goodbye.

I'm doing the FES a favor. My actions should be praised, not villanized.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: markjo on December 28, 2011, 04:55:48 PM
Quote from: markjo
That's funny, I've managed to email him successfully.

ICANN will be the judge of that.

How is ICANN supposed to judge whether or not  Daniel responded to me?  ???

Quote from: markjo
What makes you think that Daniel hasn't responded to ICANN within 15 days of being contacted?

I don't know whether Daniel will respond to ICANN or not. But if he has abandoned the site for several months at a time again then I suspect not. If his Whois information is false, or if he does not respond within 15 days, then he can kiss his website goodbye.

What makes you think that ICANN will take your complaint seriously?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2011, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: markjo
How is ICANN supposed to judge whether or not  Daniel responded to me?  ???

ICANN will test Daniel's contactability for themselves, not rely on uncorroborated third hand testimony.

What makes you think that ICANN will take your complaint seriously?

It's a legal issue. They have to take all complaints regarding false whois information seriously.

There are laws in the United States which penalize crooks for providing false whois data and ICANN is obligated to ensure that precautions are put in place to combat false records. Website owners can't hide in anonymity from lawyers, law enforcement, or people wishing to file grievances.

http://www.circleid.com/posts/whois_privacy_vs_anonymity/

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First, why the public WHOIS database is important.

The information in (or associated with) the WHOIS database is important to law enforcement, intellectual property and other attorneys, who use this data to locate domain name owners for the purpose of enforcing laws or addressing grievances. In certain cases, however, the information in the WHOIS database is not accurate. This is where the problem caused by anonymity rears its ugly head.

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It is now illegal to provide false information when registering a domain name.

Last year, there was a brief attempt to make registrars responsible for the accuracy of the Whois database. Fortunately, that legislation failed. What did become law was a new, stiff penalty (7 years) for providing false WHOIS information.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: markjo on December 28, 2011, 05:22:38 PM
What makes you think that ICANN will take your complaint seriously?

It's a legal issue. They have to take all complaints regarding false whois information seriously.

I wonder how ICANN feels about frivolous complaints.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2011, 05:28:09 PM
I wonder how ICANN feels about frivolous complaints.

My complaint is not frivolous. Daniel is unreliable, neglectful, and unable to be contacted for months at a time.

He has 15 days before the axe drops.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on December 28, 2011, 06:20:14 PM
Shit just got serious
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Around And About on December 28, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
Shit just got serious

Mmmm yeah, it's on now!
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Supertails on December 28, 2011, 06:41:36 PM
So now the scenarios are that he either responds and the FES stays up like this, or he doesn't and the FES goes down?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Rushy on December 28, 2011, 06:45:23 PM
Tom Bishop stars in FES: Hostile Takeover
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on December 28, 2011, 07:08:34 PM
Sigh. Or Daniel will just answer when the contact him, come back, and perma-ban Tom. That sounds pretty nice actually!
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Around And About on December 28, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
Daniel for President!
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: General Disarray on December 28, 2011, 08:10:43 PM
Sigh. Or Daniel will just answer when the contact him, come back, and perma-ban Tom. That sounds pretty nice actually!

Englsh for Vice President!
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 28, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
Tom, you do realize that even if the domain name is removed from Daniel's possession all that means is that this forum goes offline for good. Anything you setup will be completely blank and devoid of posts, the wiki, etc...

I think that would kill all of FES.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2011, 11:47:28 PM
Tom, you do realize that even if the domain name is removed from Daniel's possession all that means is that this forum goes offline for good. Anything you setup will be completely blank and devoid of posts, the wiki, etc...

I think that would kill all of FES.

The FES won't suffer. There is no FES. You cannot kill something which is dead.

There is no leader. There are no organized debates. There is no research. There is no concerted activity what-so-ever.

Any site or forum which rises from the ashes from the ICANN hammer will be leagues better than what we have now. I would trust almost anyone on the street to be a better Flat Earth Society president than what we have. A regular person off the street is reasonable, interested at least somewhat in the concept, and would likely listen to our needs and desires, and appoint people to do things they were unable or unwilling to do.

Any person off the street has basic management skills and can provide something rather than nothing at all, which is what we are presently getting.

14 days
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on December 28, 2011, 11:54:56 PM
Tom, you do realize that even if the domain name is removed from Daniel's possession all that means is that this forum goes offline for good. Anything you setup will be completely blank and devoid of posts, the wiki, etc...

I think that would kill all of FES.

The FES won't suffer. There is no FES. You cannot kill something which is dead.

There is no leader. There are no organized debates. There is no research. There is no concerted activity what-so-ever.

Any site or forum which rises from the ashes from the ICANN hammer will be leagues better than what we have now. I would trust almost anyone on the street to be a better Flat Earth Society president than what we have. A person off the street would likely listen to our needs and desires, and appoint people to do things if they were unable or unwilling to do it.

Any person off the street has basic management skills and can provide something rather than nothing at all, which is what we are getting now.

14 days.
Tom, are you under the impression that ICANN will turn over ownership of the domain to you? If so, you're wrong. You'll have to start with a new domain name, which you could do right now.

Which reminds me to ask: when is Columbia University opening (or have you already opened it)?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 28, 2011, 11:58:08 PM
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Tom, are you under the impression that ICANN will turn over ownership of the domain to you? If so, you're wrong. You'll have to start with a new domain name, which you could do right now.

I don't care who picks up the domain name. Even if a spammer picks it up and puts up a page advertising tennis shoes, it would be a better Flat Earth Society.

At least then .org will be demoted in google and people would go to the .net site instead, where things might actually be managed and sane.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on December 29, 2011, 12:02:04 AM
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Tom, are you under the impression that ICANN will turn over ownership of the domain to you? If so, you're wrong. You'll have to start with a new domain name, which you could do right now.

I don't care who picks up the domain name. Even if a spammer picked it up and put up a page advertising tennis shoes, it would be a better Flat Earth Society.

At least then people would go to the .net site instead, where things might actually be managed and sane.
So you're just trying to take the name from Daniel, and not really interested in improving the site. I guess that I expected better from you.

Again, did you give up of Columbia University?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 29, 2011, 12:12:42 AM
So you're just trying to take the name from Daniel, and not really interested in improving the site. I guess that I expected better from you.

A page of tennis shoe advertisements would be a great improvement. It would force people to go to the .net site, where the society can blossom with a leader who actually tries and cares.

As it is, all of the RE noobs are flooding into this website because it is #1 on Google. If the RE noobs flooded into the .net site FE'ers would be more interested in posting there.

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Again, did you give up of Columbia University?

Start a thread if you wish to speak to me about an off-topic subject.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on December 29, 2011, 12:19:21 AM
So you're just trying to take the name from Daniel, and not really interested in improving the site. I guess that I expected better from you.

A page of tennis shoe advertisements would be a great improvement. It would force people to go to the .net site, where things will actually improve.

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Again, did you give up of Columbia University?

Start a thread if you wish to speak to me about an off-topic subject.
If you think destroying .org is a great improvement, then you really need to rethink that. It sounds to me more like a young player taking home the only bat because he didn't get to pitch. Surely you could built a better site and then get traffic by providing better, more interesting topics and support. Why not win by capitalism rather than trying to destroy someone else's work?

How does that force people to go to the .net site?

CU is relevant. If you can't manage your ideas about that, why would you think you could manage to even help rebuild this site elsewhere?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 29, 2011, 12:29:51 AM
Quote from: Clocktower
If you think destroying .org is a great improvement, then you really need to rethink that. It sounds to me more like a young player taking home the only bat because he didn't get to pitch. Surely you could built a better site and then get traffic by providing better, more interesting topics and support. Why not win by capitalism rather than trying to destroy someone else's work?

The flood of RE noobs aren't going to go to any other site, only this one. As long as this one is around anyone who tries to start a site will only be talking with themselves like John Davis at .net.

This isn't a business. It's a social activity. People take the easiest route. Do you hang out with your friends at the Starbucks in your town, or the one three towns over?

This .org site is at the top of Google and it needs to either be managed by someone new, or eliminated altogether. Either scenerio would be fine and make for a better Flat Earth Society.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on December 29, 2011, 12:33:05 AM
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If you think destroying .org is a great improvement, then you really need to rethink that. It sounds to me more like a young player taking home the only bat because he didn't get to pitch. Surely you could built a better site and then get traffic by providing better, more interesting topics and support. Why not win by capitalism rather than trying to destroy someone else's work?

The flood of RE noobs aren't going to go to any other site, only this one. Anyone who tries to start a site will only be talking with themselves like John Davis at .net.

This isn't a business. It's a social activity. People take the easiest route. Do you hang out with your friends at the Starbucks in your town, or the one three towns over? This site is at the top of Google and it needs to either be taken up by someone new, or eliminated altogether. Either one would be fine and make for a better Flat Earth Society. It does not matter if the improvement takes place here or at .net.
All I read there was lame excuses. Do start to act like an adult. Take responsibility for you actions. Stop knocking down other's sand castles, just because they built theirs better and first. There's a reason the Daniel has such a good Google ranking. Learn to compete fairly please.

Perhaps you should have already learned that with your failure to publish your book and to start your Columbia University.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 29, 2011, 12:43:53 AM
All I read there was lame excuses. Do start to act like an adult. Take responsibility for you actions. Stop knocking down other's sand castles, just because they built theirs better and first. There's a reason the Daniel has such a good Google ranking. Learn to compete fairly please.

There is no fair competition. What you're saying to do is akin to telling someone to start a restaurant business in the middle of the pacific ocean, hundreds of miles from civilization, and that if it were truly a better business people would flock there. That's not how competition works.

The restaurant needs equal access to the population to fairly compete. Conversation on the .net site dwindled because it did not have equal access to newcomers.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on December 29, 2011, 12:50:49 AM
All I read there was lame excuses. Do start to act like an adult. Take responsibility for you actions. Stop knocking down other's sand castles, just because they built theirs better and first. There's a reason the Daniel has such a good Google ranking. Learn to compete fairly please.

There is no fair competition. What you're saying to do is akin to telling someone to start a resturant business in the middle of the pacific ocean, hundreds of miles from civilization. That's not how competition works.

The restaurant needs equal access to the population to fairly compete. The .net site dwindled and died because it did not have equal access. The .org site is unfairly monopolizing the resources, which is why it needs to die or improve.
Nope. What you're talking about is unfair barriers to penetrate a established market, and you're not even close to having even that problem. The Internet allows you the same access to the population. There is no isolation with the Internet. Yes, ".net" died, rather quickly, but that hardly demonstrates unfair competition.

I will not support your attempt to destroy what has been built here for your own agenda. Build your own site. I have every confidence that you'll fail just like with the book and the university. Did you try, by the way, to kill the real Columbia University to have a better chance with your version?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Daniel on December 29, 2011, 01:47:52 AM
>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.

There is a big difference between registry policy is what actually happens in practice.

Canceling domains with bogus whois info is what happens in practice.

What if I need to serve Daniel with a lawsuit and can't because of his fake whois info?

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So are you going to actually do something for once instead of just bitching about someone else?

I've made my complaint. I suggest others who wish to see change with this site do the same.

What exactly is wrong with you?  Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your time than harass people via ICANN?  I'm sorry I haven't been active on the forums recently but I've had some fairly serious family issues to deal with recently and that's taken priority.  I have, however, made sure the site as a whole has been running smoothly (no downtime, no technical problems), so I'm not sure you could make a reasonable argument for 'neglect' or any of the other frivolous accusations you've made.  Since you claim to have an interest in improving the site and clearly have an excess of free time, please spend it doing something more constructive than trying to destroy a popular and well-liked site simply out of spite.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on December 29, 2011, 01:55:25 AM
Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.
While this is true, many registrars allow you to keep your identity more-or-less confidential.

Take an example, omgomg.eu, currently registered by myself. A typical whois will not reveal any results and will instead direct you to EURid's website for more information. EURid will reveal my e-mail address and my registrar's contact info as "Registrant technical contacts".

All in all, if I wanted to remain anonymous to average users, all I'd have to do is change my contact e-mail to something that doesn't contain my real name in the username.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on December 29, 2011, 05:38:45 AM
What exactly is wrong with you?  Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your time than harass people via ICANN?  I'm sorry I haven't been active on the forums recently but I've had some fairly serious family issues to deal with recently and that's taken priority.  I have, however, made sure the site as a whole has been running smoothly (no downtime, no technical problems), so I'm not sure you could make a reasonable argument for 'neglect' or any of the other frivolous accusations you've made.  Since you claim to have an interest in improving the site and clearly have an excess of free time, please spend it doing something more constructive than trying to destroy a popular and well-liked site simply out of spite.
I sure we all hope for a speedy and happy resolution to the family issues and totally agree that family comes first. Oh, and thanks for everything.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on December 29, 2011, 05:45:45 AM
I sure we all hope for a speedy and happy resolution to the family issues and totally agree that family comes first. Oh, and thanks for everything.
While I agree with you on this, I think it wouldn't be too much if Daniel promoted someone active to (partially) act in his name when he's away.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on December 29, 2011, 08:57:14 AM
I don't know if anybody else contacted Daniel, but I know that I was one that emailed him regarding Tom Bishop and this thread. I hope Tom got perma-banned. Good riddance.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 29, 2011, 09:03:32 AM
I don't know if anybody else contacted Daniel, but I know that I was one that emailed him regarding Tom Bishop and this thread. I hope Tom got perma-banned. Good riddance.
Somewhere along the way, you became a snotty little grass. Go back to glee. >:(
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 29, 2011, 09:18:06 AM
Hey, I was doing something to help this society. If I ran a website and disappeared for months at a time I would want my members to do the same.

I understand that family/career comes first, but that's not an excuse to abandon one's post. As PizzaPlanet has stated, powers and responsibility could easily be shared with others rather than horded at the top.

Lord Wilmore made a long rant on page 4 discussing this:

Quote from: Lord Wilmore
The obvious solution, as I said to Daniel in the mod board, is very simple. Daniel needs to delegate technical and decision-making responsibility the same way he delegates moderating responsibility. In other words, he needs to let us make some decisions in his absence, and appoint a technical administrator so that we can actually act upon them.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore
Having politely (and at some length) made the above suggestions, which I felt to be both obvious and reasonable, I received no response from Daniel, even though he replied to the thread several days later.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore
I just wish he'd loosen the reins and let others help out more. It would be good for everyone involved, and above all good for the Flat Earth Society.

Lots of negativity there. Daniel should heed his recommendations rather than continuing on this sordid path.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on December 29, 2011, 09:31:33 AM
What exactly is wrong with you?  Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your time than harass people via ICANN?  I'm sorry I haven't been active on the forums recently but I've had some fairly serious family issues to deal with recently and that's taken priority.  I have, however, made sure the site as a whole has been running smoothly (no downtime, no technical problems), so I'm not sure you could make a reasonable argument for 'neglect' or any of the other frivolous accusations you've made.  Since you claim to have an interest in improving the site and clearly have an excess of free time, please spend it doing something more constructive than trying to destroy a popular and well-liked site simply out of spite.

POW! Bishop is served a bowl of pain. Serves him right.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: markjo on December 29, 2011, 09:38:54 AM
Hey, I was doing something to help this society.

I think that you have confused the Flat Earth Society with the Flat Earth Society web site.  They are related, but they are not the same thing.  ICANN has no jurisdiction over the society itself.

It's also been mentioned several times that you are free to start your own FES and FES web site, just like John Davis has.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 29, 2011, 09:42:11 AM
ICANN has no jurisdiction over the society itself.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 29, 2011, 10:05:06 AM
I understand that family/career comes first, but that's not an excuse to abandon one's post.

Tom, you're arguing with yourself there. Let us if Tom is right and family comes first, or Tom has a point that one should never abandon one's post.

If I have family obligations which take me away from work I make sure that the responsibilities of my post are taken care of by others. I make sure that others have the access and tools necessary to get things done in my absence. It is common courtesy and is how a responsible person behaves.

This is what my employers expect of me, and what people here expect of Daniel.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: theonlydann on December 29, 2011, 10:15:33 AM


It's also been mentioned several times that you are free to start your own FES and FES web site, just like John Davis has.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Space Cowgirl on December 29, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
Your employers pay you to fulfill their expectations.

Merry Christmas Daniel!
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: theonlydann on December 29, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
I pay Daniel to send me t-shirts and hoodies.

He has exceeded his duty by sending patches along with the paid for items.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on December 29, 2011, 11:05:48 AM
"You know you've done something right when no one knows you've done anything at all. "

I'm not sure what Daniel and Daniel alone can do aside from technical modifications to the site.

Also:
Tom, if you want people to go to the .net forum then just tell the.  Sticky a thread with "Go to .net for discussions"
And in every thread post that.

Since you're unwilling to do even that, I can only conclude this is a bad trolling.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on December 29, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
Alright, here's a question. Other than host Wiki, what exactly is there for Daniel to do? Everyone's complaining that he isn't doing his job, but what, exactly, are you expecting him to do? Post moar?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 29, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Alright, here's a question. Other than host Wiki, what exactly is there for Daniel to do? Everyone's complaining that he isn't doing his job, but what, exactly, are you expecting him to do? Post moar?

I'm pretty sure that only Daniel can delegate responsibility.  I think that given the scarcity with which both our current admins are active, a new one would be nice.  And given the fact that a number of mods have been less active or outright inactive lately we could probably use a couple more of them too.  And the default theme of the board is rather hideous.  I also think Wilmore's idea of a technical administrator in case something happens and Daniel's unable to deal with it is a good one.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on December 29, 2011, 08:17:49 PM
Why is the theme hideous? I like how it looks right now...  :P
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on December 30, 2011, 03:53:33 AM
I'm pretty sure that only Daniel can delegate responsibility.  I think that given the scarcity with which both our current admins are active, a new one would be nice.  And given the fact that a number of mods have been less active or outright inactive lately we could probably use a couple more of them too.  And the default theme of the board is rather hideous.  I also think Wilmore's idea of a technical administrator in case something happens and Daniel's unable to deal with it is a good one.
These are all great ideas, but they are all met with the same problem. The 'Daniel' problem.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on December 30, 2011, 03:59:31 AM
Alright, here's a question. Other than host Wiki, what exactly is there for Daniel to do?
The site isn't "working" quite as badly as it used to, but it's still pretty bad. Rebuilding the forum database so that searches don't crash the site for 5 minutes each time would be a nice first step. Then there's the problem of moderation, which... I'm sure you already know my (and the others') opinions of.*

* - I'm not saying I must be right on this matter. I'm saying that someone in charge should resolve the problem, and, well, there's only one person in charge here.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: sillyrob on December 30, 2011, 04:44:58 PM
I thought Tom was going to leave because of blah blah and who the hell cares.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 30, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
I'm pretty sure that only Daniel can delegate responsibility.  I think that given the scarcity with which both our current admins are active, a new one would be nice.  And given the fact that a number of mods have been less active or outright inactive lately we could probably use a couple more of them too.  And the default theme of the board is rather hideous.  I also think Wilmore's idea of a technical administrator in case something happens and Daniel's unable to deal with it is a good one.
These are all great ideas, but they are all met with the same problem. The 'Daniel' problem.

Yes.  I was answering Tausami's question.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Daniel on December 31, 2011, 08:16:06 AM
For what it's worth, the Flat Earth Wiki is up and running here now:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki

Big thanks to the .net wiki team for generating the content.  I couldn't get the .net SQL wiki database I was given to import properly, so I basically ended up copy/pasting things manually.  I'm pretty sure everything (including images) is there now, though.  Let me know if there are any errors, please.

I'll make a more official post about it and let people set up accounts starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 31, 2011, 10:21:46 AM
The intro to that wiki needs to be re-written, it sounds like a battle cry for war.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Around And About on December 31, 2011, 10:28:34 AM
Unless I'm mistaken he's paraphrasing or quoting Samuel (we're on a first-name basis now).
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on December 31, 2011, 11:42:58 AM
For what it's worth, the Flat Earth Wiki is up and running here now:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki

Big thanks to the .net wiki team for generating the content.  I couldn't get the .net SQL wiki database I was given to import properly, so I basically ended up copy/pasting things manually.  I'm pretty sure everything (including images) is there now, though.  Let me know if there are any errors, please.

I'll make a more official post about it and let people set up accounts starting tomorrow.
There seem to be many discrepancies between .net and .org (.org is largely outdated).

Compare:
http://wiki.theflatearthsociety.net/index.php/Special:AllPages
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:AllPages

Perhaps we could just stick to .net? Seriously, everyone's tired of problems with the Wiki. It works fine the way it is now. Let's not touch it.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: theonlydann on December 31, 2011, 01:27:56 PM
i should be a mod
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Daniel on December 31, 2011, 04:22:58 PM
Oops.  The missing pages are being added now.  Any content on pages is identical as of yesterday.  The missing stuff is just a hiccup in the transfer process.  Once that's added, everything will be identical and up-to-date.

For what it's worth, the Flat Earth Wiki is up and running here now:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki

Big thanks to the .net wiki team for generating the content.  I couldn't get the .net SQL wiki database I was given to import properly, so I basically ended up copy/pasting things manually.  I'm pretty sure everything (including images) is there now, though.  Let me know if there are any errors, please.

I'll make a more official post about it and let people set up accounts starting tomorrow.
There seem to be many discrepancies between .net and .org (.org is largely outdated).

Compare:
http://wiki.theflatearthsociety.net/index.php/Special:AllPages
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:AllPages

Perhaps we could just stick to .net? Seriously, everyone's tired of problems with the Wiki. It works fine the way it is now. Let's not touch it.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on December 31, 2011, 08:17:37 PM
Oops.  The missing pages are being added now.  Any content on pages is identical as of yesterday.  The missing stuff is just a hiccup in the transfer process.  Once that's added, everything will be identical and up-to-date.

Excellent. Equal level of bullshit on all sites then. Good work, Shenty.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 01, 2012, 03:16:22 AM
The link on the society's website now leads to theflatearthsociety.org/mediawiki, which doesn't exist.
Also: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=52375.0
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Daniel on January 01, 2012, 07:39:13 AM
The link on the society's website now leads to theflatearthsociety.org/mediawiki, which doesn't exist.
Also: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=52375.0

The link is fixed now and all of the missing pages (90% of which were redirects) are in place.  With one very minor exception (an additional redirect on .org), everything is completely synced up now.

I'll check into your FAQ issue today..
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: John Davis on January 01, 2012, 09:53:19 AM
I've noticed a great deal of the work I've done for the wiki has been completely removed.  I don't particularly care as I will be publishing this information in a weekly feature, but I imagine a bunch of other stuff must have gotten lost as well.  Just a heads up.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Daniel on January 01, 2012, 09:59:25 AM
I've noticed a great deal of the work I've done for the wiki has been completely removed.  I don't particularly care as I will be publishing this information in a weekly feature, but I imagine a bunch of other stuff must have gotten lost as well.  Just a heads up.

Wait, was it removed from the .net wiki or did it somehow not get transferred over? 
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: John Davis on January 01, 2012, 05:33:18 PM
Its missing on both, I'm talking about content from the original.  Not sure if PP ever moved the original stuff to the new wiki, though I was pretty sure he did.  I only mention it as I noticed dead links here and there that I know used to have content pages. 
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on January 01, 2012, 05:40:17 PM
Its missing on both, I'm talking about content from the original.  Not sure if PP ever moved the original stuff to the new wiki, though I was pretty sure he did.  I only mention it as I noticed dead links here and there that I know used to have content pages.
I agree with you JD in that there are pages of ours missing. I compared the current Wiki with my "backup" and found several cases.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 02, 2012, 06:23:08 AM
Hmm, that's odd (I'm pretty sure your I copied your stuff, yeah), but I can always add it once Daniel gets me an account on the .org Wiki.

ClockTower, could you share your backup with me? Most of mine comes from the Wayback Machine and Google cache, so it's quite far from complete. Every little helps.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 06:57:28 AM
Hmm, that's odd (I'm pretty sure your I copied your stuff, yeah), but I can always add it once Daniel gets me an account on the .org Wiki.

ClockTower, could you share your backup with me? Most of mine comes from the Wayback Machine and Google cache, so it's quite far from complete. Every little helps.
Since you called me a 'telemarketer' in the upper fora recently, I'm afraid I'm just too busy on the phone right now.

Seriously, my backup is a bit haphazard, just page saves of when I attacked a page. I think I attacked just about every page though. The page saves are html files over several months and at least one PC upgrade since. I'll see what I can do. Let me know if you find a solution before then.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 02, 2012, 07:39:41 AM
Since you called me a 'telemarketer' in the upper fora recently, I'm afraid I'm just too busy on the phone right now.
Ah, yes, the late night wave of shoppers from both Australias are probably keeping you occupied.

Seriously, my backup is a bit haphazard, just page saves of when I attacked a page. I think I attacked just about every page though. The page saves are html files over several months and at least one PC upgrade since.
Excellent pitch. I'll buy three of those!

I'll see what I can do. Let me know if you find a solution before then.
Thanks.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: General Disarray on January 09, 2012, 10:58:33 PM
I just became a member of The Flat Earth Society. I will watch with great interest when I receive my membership supplies.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: EnglshGentleman on January 10, 2012, 11:31:47 AM
I just became a member of The Flat Earth Society. I will watch with great interest when I receive my membership supplies.

Just now? It should be fairly soon. It took me ~2 weeks to receive mine which I think is fairly reasonable for international post.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on January 10, 2012, 12:28:48 PM
Just now?
He has only just realised that the earth is flat. Look, he even tried to make an FE thread.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=52604.msg1289466#msg1289466
Cute huh?
Of course it bombed, but who hasn't made a bad FE OP? Needs moar practice. ;D
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on January 10, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
Just now?
He has only just realised that the earth is flat. Look, he even tried to make an FE thread.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=52604.msg1289466#msg1289466
Cute huh?
Of course it bombed, but who hasn't made a bad FE OP? Needs moar practice. ;D
I have never made a bad FE OP.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Pongo on January 10, 2012, 09:21:45 PM

People like English, Pizza, Pongo, Crusty myself etc etc were never allowed to be part of the team. We have been called trolls by John Davis and similar for ages, not allowed into the 'club' and despite dwindling numbers remained excluded. Whose side are we all on now? Our own. There is no FE team anymore. There are no suitable people to choose as mods, because shown such lack of loyalty from the site, you get a lack of loyalty back. It is very easy to get frustrated when your efforts add up to naught. There was no shortage of new people. FES ignored them all.
I have over 6000 posts, PizzaPlanet has even more. I know how the site works, I know tons of FET, I know all the members, been here ages ... should be an ideal candidate for mod. But I have absolutely no interest in doing anything for this site. I used to 'do my bit' in the upper fora, now I only post when it suits me. If a noob makes a post about Coriolis or something, I'll leave it. Don't welcome them any more, don't give them the answer, couldn't care less if they stay or not. If the guy that owns the site doesn't give a crap, why should I? I would be a terrible mod, because I only post for me nowadays and feel no sense of loyalty. I'd just ban people I don't like because the site's well being is low down on my priority list.
Bad attitude? Yep.
But its not because new people didn't come to fill the roles. Its because they were all pushed to one side.

I think it has a lot to do with a person's first post. I've seen a few people win the respect of the FE Core with less than 20 posts. And there was that one person you pointed out that was made a FE Believer after just one post.  While others who come here as a Round Earther, post 50+ posts in favor or RE then see the light and post thousands and thousands of posts for FE will never be seen as anything but a troll. Threads about new FE ideas and concepts are avoided like the plague by The FE Core if posted by someone from the outside. I can understand that to a degree, they don't want to look silly by backing someone who will 'turn' on them one day. Yet, even years of defending a flat earth, as you and I have done, is not enough to wash away the tarnish.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that if you want to be a Flat Earth Believer, you're going to have to break a rule and create a new account. Until then, you're forever branded a troll and will never be anything else.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on January 11, 2012, 04:14:08 AM
The 'FE believers' have less credibility than the so called 'trolls'. It is those who post in the believers section that are respected the least and ridiculed for being troll-like the most. I don't want a new account. Speaking about FET with 6000 posts has a damn sight more presence than 20 posts and a believer badge.

Being an FE Believer is stupid. None of them can have any fun with FET because they are all so frightened of being outed as trolls. So they hide in their forum posting awful poetry and copy pasting chunks of crap about how absolutely any civilisation in the past was better than our own.

They also haven't added anyone in over a year. The whole thing is defunct. They wanted a place to feel special. Well, there is no doubt they are 'special'.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: John Davis on January 11, 2012, 07:39:16 AM
Watermelon, Rhubarb Rhubarb, no one believes the Earth is Flat, Peas and Carrots,  walla.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: CheesusCrust on January 11, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
That's enough from the peanut gallery.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Sean on January 11, 2012, 10:44:10 AM
Rhubarb Rhubarb

Pie.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: sillyrob on January 13, 2012, 11:23:05 AM
ITT: Thork at his best.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 14, 2012, 12:49:49 AM
Watermelon, Rhubarb Rhubarb, no one believes the Earth is Flat, Peas and Carrots,  walla.
A prime job on making an assumption regarding what the post was without reading it. Unfortunately, your assumption missed the point.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on January 14, 2012, 01:29:37 AM
Watermelon, Rhubarb Rhubarb, no one believes the Earth is Flat, Peas and Carrots,  walla.
A prime job on making an assumption regarding what the post was without reading it. Unfortunately, your assumption missed the point.
I thought John Davis did a great job there. Using the usual meaningless murmurs for extras in both radio and film, he implies that "no one believes the Earth is Flat" is nonsense. This is in contrast to Thork's comment.

The 'FE believers' have less credibility than the so called 'trolls'. It is those who post in the believers section that are respected the least and ridiculed for being troll-like the most. I don't want a new account. Speaking about FET with 6000 posts has a damn sight more presence than 20 posts and a believer badge.

Being an FE Believer is stupid. None of them can have any fun with FET because they are all so frightened of being outed as trolls. So they hide in their forum posting awful poetry and copy pasting chunks of crap about how absolutely any civilisation in the past was better than our own.

They also haven't added anyone in over a year. The whole thing is defunct. They wanted a place to feel special. Well, there is no doubt they are 'special'.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on January 14, 2012, 01:57:24 AM
It should be noted that being in the group has no bearing on whether or not the individual believes the earth is flat. Its completely arbitrary as to who is in it.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on January 14, 2012, 02:05:12 AM
It should be noted that being in the group has no bearing on whether or not the individual believes the earth is flat. Its completely arbitrary as to who is in it.
I thought that to be in the group you must post that you believe that the Earth is flat. Given the George Scott fallacy, doesn't that mean AFAWK the members believe that the Earth is flat?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Thork on January 14, 2012, 02:30:03 AM
To be in that group you need to be chummy with John Davis. ::)
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 14, 2012, 03:48:46 AM
[quote omitted]

I thought John Davis did a great job there. Using the usual meaningless murmurs for extras in both radio and film, he implies that "no one believes the Earth is Flat" is nonsense. This is in contrast to Thork's comment.

[quote omitted]
Thork's comment did not say no one believes the Earth is flat - it said that being a FEB (member of the "Flat Earth Believers" group on this forum) is stupid. Belonging to FEB has very little to do with believing in FET, as shown by many FEBs of both the past and today, as well as legitimate FE'ers being kept outside of the group.

I thought that to be in the group you must post that you believe that the Earth is flat. Given the George Scott fallacy, doesn't that mean AFAWK the members believe that the Earth is flat?
It used to be like that. Nowadays the "Zetetic Council" (the members of which are mostly inactive) "make a decision", aka they never respond to applications.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: John Davis on January 14, 2012, 07:04:38 AM
Its easy to say I didn't read the post PP, but perhaps you didn't read whats behind the post.  Perhaps I cut through the "Rhubarb" a bit too directly.

also:
Pie.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on January 14, 2012, 05:32:15 PM
Its easy to say I didn't read the post PP, but perhaps you didn't read whats behind the post.  Perhaps I cut through the "Rhubarb" a bit too directly.

also:
Pie.

Don't worry John, it's in my sig, making you look silly from now until the end of time.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on January 14, 2012, 05:59:52 PM
Its easy to say I didn't read the post PP, but perhaps you didn't read whats behind the post.  Perhaps I cut through the "Rhubarb" a bit too directly.

also:
Pie.

Don't worry John, it's in my sig, making you look silly from now until the end of time.

Except it doesn't, and thee's exactly zero chance of you staying here for another month, let alone forever.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: ClockTower on January 14, 2012, 06:58:59 PM
Its easy to say I didn't read the post PP, but perhaps you didn't read whats behind the post.  Perhaps I cut through the "Rhubarb" a bit too directly.

also:
Pie.

Don't worry John, it's in my sig, making you look silly from now until the end of time.

Except it doesn't, and thee's exactly zero chance of you staying here for another month, let alone forever.
Fortunately, unless he changes his sig. before leaving, it will be here for as long as the board keeps his posts.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on January 15, 2012, 06:59:04 AM
Its easy to say I didn't read the post PP, but perhaps you didn't read whats behind the post.  Perhaps I cut through the "Rhubarb" a bit too directly.

also:
Pie.

Don't worry John, it's in my sig, making you look silly from now until the end of time.

Except it doesn't, and thee's exactly zero chance of you staying here for another month, let alone forever.

Is that a threat? You should read the board T&C before making statements like that...
And I outlasted John Davis, didn't I?  :P
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Tausami on January 15, 2012, 07:11:54 AM
Its easy to say I didn't read the post PP, but perhaps you didn't read whats behind the post.  Perhaps I cut through the "Rhubarb" a bit too directly.

also:
Pie.

Don't worry John, it's in my sig, making you look silly from now until the end of time.

Except it doesn't, and thee's exactly zero chance of you staying here for another month, let alone forever.

Is that a threat? You should read the board T&C before making statements like that...
And I outlasted John Davis, didn't I?  :P

No, not a threat. Just a prediction. We constantly have noobs like you, and they all disappear eventually. It's extremely rare that they actually stay, and by 'rare' I mean Markjo and Clocktower
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on January 15, 2012, 07:58:33 AM
Its easy to say I didn't read the post PP, but perhaps you didn't read whats behind the post.  Perhaps I cut through the "Rhubarb" a bit too directly.

also:
Pie.

Don't worry John, it's in my sig, making you look silly from now until the end of time.

Except it doesn't, and thee's exactly zero chance of you staying here for another month, let alone forever.

Is that a threat? You should read the board T&C before making statements like that...
And I outlasted John Davis, didn't I?  :P
How in the name of all that is holy in the computer do you think you outladsted John Davis?
He was here long before you.  You've got a lot of catching up to do boy.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on January 15, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
Things that happened before I got here are irrelevant. No progress appears to have been made during those years, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Vindictus on January 15, 2012, 04:32:35 PM
Things that happened before I got here are irrelevant. No progress appears to have been made during those years, as far as I can tell.

Speaking of progress, are you ever going to make any?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Lorddave on January 15, 2012, 06:26:29 PM
Things that happened before I got here are irrelevant. No progress appears to have been made during those years, as far as I can tell.
6 months is not a lot of time for any form of progress.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 15, 2012, 07:31:19 PM
as far as I can tell.
The fact that you can't tell very "far" is largely due to you being a noob.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Sean on January 15, 2012, 08:06:32 PM
it's in my sig

Old. But sig'd for different reason. Also, noob.

Also BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on January 16, 2012, 01:18:44 PM
You guys are obsessed with "noobness" as if having 9000 posts is somehow better than having 200. That's really very funny.
ITT: inability to differentiate between quality and quantity or between wisdom and age.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 16, 2012, 01:20:46 PM
You guys are obsessed with "noobness" as if having 9000 posts is somehow better than having 200. That's really very funny.
Not at all. Your low amount of posts has nothing to do with you being a noob.

ITT: inability to differentiate between quality and quantity
Ah, quality. Yes. Quality such as:

Not as angry as Thork, not as noob as you. Deal with it. Or do you use the phrase "angry noob" to describe "one who can debate properly"?
You are totally pwned in this thread now, most trolls would have noticed and stopped, but no, you still keep on emitting pellets of crap.
A prime example of angry noobery.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on January 16, 2012, 01:31:16 PM
You guys are obsessed with "noobness" as if having 9000 posts is somehow better than having 200. That's really very funny.
ITT: inability to differentiate between quality and quantity or between wisdom and age.

Woah there small-count. Anyone who knows anything about anything, knows that post count is extremely important. Especially when divided by time spent online.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on January 16, 2012, 01:38:03 PM
Predictable rant.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 16, 2012, 02:07:05 PM
Please keep in mind that fixing posts without saying "fixed" will anger markjo, since he thinks it's "intellectually dishonest". You don't want to see markjo when he's bitter and agnry.

Also, which part of my post seems to be a rant to you? If you could predict it, then there was no need in asking for it, was there?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: The Knowledge on January 16, 2012, 02:27:47 PM
Please keep in mind that fixing posts without saying "fixed" will anger markjo, since he thinks it's "intellectually dishonest". You don't want to see markjo when he's bitter and agnry.

Also, which part of my post seems to be a rant to you? If you could predict it, then there was no need in asking for it, was there?

It's that last sentence just there. I was predicting that a rant was coming, thus proving my powers of prediction and that you're predictable.  ;)
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: PizzaPlanet on January 16, 2012, 03:51:29 PM
It's that last sentence just there. I was predicting that a rant was coming
Incorrect.

and that you're predictable.  ;)
You seem to say I'm "predictable" like it was a bad thing. If you say I'm predictable without showing I'm wrong, all it means is that you had already known the right answer before I provided you with it.

Of course, that's what you would claim.
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: zarg on January 16, 2012, 07:12:39 PM
exactly zero chance
extremely rare

So... which is it?
Title: Re: @Daniel
Post by: John Davis on January 17, 2012, 09:14:02 AM
exactly zero chance
extremely rare

So... which is it?
Read the posts.  He clearly tells you which applies to which circumstance and set.