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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: roundorflat on December 06, 2011, 05:36:29 PM

Title: Ice wall guards
Post by: roundorflat on December 06, 2011, 05:36:29 PM
What lies beyond the Ice wall ? How does one go past the Ice wall guards?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 05:47:33 PM
The edge lies beyond the inhospitable terrain of what is known as antartica.  Hundreds of miles would have to be breached before one reaches the edge.  The only ones believed to have been there by myself and other prominent FE conspiracy theorists is the WSC, and Adolf Hitler.

There have been a few uneducated thoughts suggesting ice wall gaurds but there are no ice wall gaurds.  Some have thought this, and Crustinator seems  to think its gaurded by robotic penguins, but there is no reason for it to be gaurded.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: roundorflat on December 06, 2011, 05:49:39 PM
So then where did the many people who have been to the south pole actually go  ?
and how did they plant flags in the same place?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Tausami on December 06, 2011, 06:01:42 PM
So then where did the many people who have been to the south pole actually go  ?
and how did they plant flags in the same place?

Everyone basically takes the same route, with small variations. It'd be simple enough for NASA to manipulate it.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
So then where did the many people who have been to the south pole actually go  ?
and how did they plant flags in the same place?

They went to the ice wall.  The coast of what many call antartica is the ice wall.  As sections of the coast do not always appear as being wall like, it is attributed of course to nature. 
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Rushy on December 06, 2011, 07:08:46 PM
Once a group of men went out and searched for the end of the earth and what they found was horrifying. They looked out, into the vast emptiness of it all, and were driven mad. These men, these reavers, are now what guards the gates of the icy hell now known as the ice wall.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
These men, these reavers,

Sounds like someone has watched too much FireFly.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Rushy on December 06, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
These men, these reavers,

Sounds like someone has watched too much FireFly.

Firefly was someone trying to tell us something important. That is why it was such a great show but was cancelled. Its a conspiracy!
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 07:25:14 PM
These men, these reavers,

Sounds like someone has watched too much FireFly.

Firefly was someone trying to tell us something important. That is why it was such a great show but was cancelled. Its a conspiracy!

Yeah but it got a movie after just one season.  It wasnt until the movie that you got to actually see a reaver.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Rushy on December 06, 2011, 07:28:29 PM
These men, these reavers,

Sounds like someone has watched too much FireFly.

Firefly was someone trying to tell us something important. That is why it was such a great show but was cancelled. Its a conspiracy!

Yeah but it got a movie after just one season.  It wasnt until the movie that you got to actually see a reaver.

Then perhaps it is a reference that it is only a matter of time when you must journey out to find what is hidden behind the wall. Also in Bushwhacked you got to "see" a reaver. It was a guy crazed by reavers but still, that is the general way they look.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 07:47:50 PM
These men, these reavers,

Sounds like someone has watched too much FireFly.

Firefly was someone trying to tell us something important. That is why it was such a great show but was cancelled. Its a conspiracy!

Yeah but it got a movie after just one season.  It wasnt until the movie that you got to actually see a reaver.

Then perhaps it is a reference that it is only a matter of time when you must journey out to find what is hidden behind the wall. Also in Bushwhacked you got to "see" a reaver. It was a guy crazed by reavers but still, that is the general way they look.

You clearly own the season on dvd.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 06, 2011, 07:52:13 PM
The edge lies beyond the inhospitable terrain of what is known as antartica.  Hundreds of miles would have to be breached before one reaches the edge.  The only ones believed to have been there by myself and other prominent FE conspiracy theorists is the WSC, and Adolf Hitler.

There have been a few uneducated thoughts suggesting ice wall gaurds but there are no ice wall gaurds.  Some have thought this, and Crustinator seems  to think its gaurded by robotic penguins, but there is no reason for it to be gaurded.

Lol, what evidence do you have that Adolf Hitler ever went to the South pole?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Rushy on December 06, 2011, 08:08:34 PM
These men, these reavers,

Sounds like someone has watched too much FireFly.

Firefly was someone trying to tell us something important. That is why it was such a great show but was cancelled. Its a conspiracy!

Yeah but it got a movie after just one season.  It wasnt until the movie that you got to actually see a reaver.

Then perhaps it is a reference that it is only a matter of time when you must journey out to find what is hidden behind the wall. Also in Bushwhacked you got to "see" a reaver. It was a guy crazed by reavers but still, that is the general way they look.

You clearly own the season on dvd.

No, I watched it on netflix. They have all of the episodes available for streaming. Don't hate.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 08:29:54 PM
The edge lies beyond the inhospitable terrain of what is known as antartica.  Hundreds of miles would have to be breached before one reaches the edge.  The only ones believed to have been there by myself and other prominent FE conspiracy theorists is the WSC, and Adolf Hitler.

There have been a few uneducated thoughts suggesting ice wall gaurds but there are no ice wall gaurds.  Some have thought this, and Crustinator seems  to think its gaurded by robotic penguins, but there is no reason for it to be gaurded.

Lol, what evidence do you have that Adolf Hitler ever went to the South pole?

The Nazis had ties to Argentina, and Juan Peron, the dictator of Argentina at the time was working  with them.  Juan Peron was another WW2 era dictator although had much less of a world wide role, he did assist and aid the Nazis though. (FUN FACT-Juans  first wife Isabel Peron went on to become the first woman to become a head of state in the western hemisphere, 1976)  It was from a Nazi Naval base established at Cape Horn which allowed for transfer of the construction materials which were used to construct the base in antartica.  Adolf Hitler was a man obsessed with the ocult, there is much speculation of how far this obsession went and how he implemented the ocultist teachings into his everyday life.  The nazis constructed the base in a mere 16 months, a feat equal to the U.S  construction of the pentagon, which took about the same time.   It was from this base that Hitler and the nazis first tested their advanced flying craft, the foo fighters.  I  will not include the theories on where and how the ideas for these craft came from, as some of them get a little crazy and are based on mere speculation and second hand accounting.  The craft were never actually used  in combat it is said, as the initial constructs met with an accident involving a test flight at night in which the craft never returned from.  Adolf Hitler, at the suggestion of  german rocket scientists (whom later defected and helped launch the U.S space program) suspected the craft met with navigation problems due to going to close to the edge of the earth.  They also disappeared from  nazi tracking devices. From there, Hitler is said to have  began believing the notion of a flat earth, however met with death shortly after.  The war ended and NASA's foundation was laid with the help of the same german rocket scientists which formally worked for Hitler and the Nazis.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 06, 2011, 08:43:21 PM
The edge lies beyond the inhospitable terrain of what is known as antartica.  Hundreds of miles would have to be breached before one reaches the edge.  The only ones believed to have been there by myself and other prominent FE conspiracy theorists is the WSC, and Adolf Hitler.

There have been a few uneducated thoughts suggesting ice wall gaurds but there are no ice wall gaurds.  Some have thought this, and Crustinator seems  to think its gaurded by robotic penguins, but there is no reason for it to be gaurded.

Lol, what evidence do you have that Adolf Hitler ever went to the South pole?

The Nazis had ties to Argentina, and Juan Peron, the dictator of Argentina at the time was working  with them.  Juan Peron was another WW2 era dictator although had much less of a world wide role, he did assist and aid the Nazis though. (FUN FACT-Juans  first wife Isabel Peron went on to become the first woman to become a head of state in the western hemisphere, 1976)  It was from a Nazi Naval base established at Cape Horn which allowed for transfer of the construction materials which were used to construct the base in antartica.  Adolf Hitler was a man obsessed with the ocult, there is much speculation of how far this obsession went and how he implemented the ocultist teachings into his everyday life.  The nazis constructed the base in a mere 16 months, a feat equal to the U.S  construction of the pentagon, which took about the same time.   It was from this base that Hitler and the nazis first tested their advanced flying craft, the foo fighters.  I  will not include the theories on where and how the ideas for these craft came from, as some of them get a little crazy and are based on mere speculation and second hand accounting.  The craft were never actually used  in combat it is said, as the initial constructs met with an accident involving a test flight at night in which the craft never returned from.  Adolf Hitler, at the suggestion of  german rocket scientists (whom later defected and helped launch the U.S space program) suspected the craft met with navigation problems due to going to close to the edge of the earth.  They also disappeared from  nazi tracking devices. From there, Hitler is said to have  began believing the notion of a flat earth, however met with death shortly after.  The war ended and NASA's foundation was laid with the help of the same german rocket scientists which formally worked for Hitler and the Nazis.

Lol, is the only appropriate response to this...

So, the only "evidence" you have is that Nazi Germany was friends with Argentina. From that you conclude that Hitler must have constructed an antarctic base?

Come back when you have real evidence, not just what you dreamt up in prison.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 09:00:23 PM
The edge lies beyond the inhospitable terrain of what is known as antartica.  Hundreds of miles would have to be breached before one reaches the edge.  The only ones believed to have been there by myself and other prominent FE conspiracy theorists is the WSC, and Adolf Hitler.

There have been a few uneducated thoughts suggesting ice wall gaurds but there are no ice wall gaurds.  Some have thought this, and Crustinator seems  to think its gaurded by robotic penguins, but there is no reason for it to be gaurded.

Lol, what evidence do you have that Adolf Hitler ever went to the South pole?

The Nazis had ties to Argentina, and Juan Peron, the dictator of Argentina at the time was working  with them.  Juan Peron was another WW2 era dictator although had much less of a world wide role, he did assist and aid the Nazis though. (FUN FACT-Juans  first wife Isabel Peron went on to become the first woman to become a head of state in the western hemisphere, 1976)  It was from a Nazi Naval base established at Cape Horn which allowed for transfer of the construction materials which were used to construct the base in antartica.  Adolf Hitler was a man obsessed with the ocult, there is much speculation of how far this obsession went and how he implemented the ocultist teachings into his everyday life.  The nazis constructed the base in a mere 16 months, a feat equal to the U.S  construction of the pentagon, which took about the same time.   It was from this base that Hitler and the nazis first tested their advanced flying craft, the foo fighters.  I  will not include the theories on where and how the ideas for these craft came from, as some of them get a little crazy and are based on mere speculation and second hand accounting.  The craft were never actually used  in combat it is said, as the initial constructs met with an accident involving a test flight at night in which the craft never returned from.  Adolf Hitler, at the suggestion of  german rocket scientists (whom later defected and helped launch the U.S space program) suspected the craft met with navigation problems due to going to close to the edge of the earth.  They also disappeared from  nazi tracking devices. From there, Hitler is said to have  began believing the notion of a flat earth, however met with death shortly after.  The war ended and NASA's foundation was laid with the help of the same german rocket scientists which formally worked for Hitler and the Nazis.

Lol, is the only appropriate response to this...

So, the only "evidence" you have is that Nazi Germany was friends with Argentina. From that you conclude that Hitler must have constructed an antarctic base?

Come back when you have real evidence, not just what you dreamt up in prison.

The evidence I have is that everything I have posted (save for the Nazi naval base at Cape Horn) is already well documented.  As is all of my historical accounting.  The only  thing I may have gotten wrong is that Isabel Peron may not have been Juans actual first wife.  Im fairly certain, but I may be slightly off on this trivial tib bit of information.  A few google key word searches will show you the plethora of available information on what I have  just posted.  I did my very best to steer clear of the  conspiracy stuff involving aliens and everything else.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 06, 2011, 09:28:52 PM
The edge lies beyond the inhospitable terrain of what is known as antartica.  Hundreds of miles would have to be breached before one reaches the edge.  The only ones believed to have been there by myself and other prominent FE conspiracy theorists is the WSC, and Adolf Hitler.

There have been a few uneducated thoughts suggesting ice wall gaurds but there are no ice wall gaurds.  Some have thought this, and Crustinator seems  to think its gaurded by robotic penguins, but there is no reason for it to be gaurded.

Lol, what evidence do you have that Adolf Hitler ever went to the South pole?

The Nazis had ties to Argentina, and Juan Peron, the dictator of Argentina at the time was working  with them.  Juan Peron was another WW2 era dictator although had much less of a world wide role, he did assist and aid the Nazis though. (FUN FACT-Juans  first wife Isabel Peron went on to become the first woman to become a head of state in the western hemisphere, 1976)  It was from a Nazi Naval base established at Cape Horn which allowed for transfer of the construction materials which were used to construct the base in antartica.  Adolf Hitler was a man obsessed with the ocult, there is much speculation of how far this obsession went and how he implemented the ocultist teachings into his everyday life.  The nazis constructed the base in a mere 16 months, a feat equal to the U.S  construction of the pentagon, which took about the same time.   It was from this base that Hitler and the nazis first tested their advanced flying craft, the foo fighters.  I  will not include the theories on where and how the ideas for these craft came from, as some of them get a little crazy and are based on mere speculation and second hand accounting.  The craft were never actually used  in combat it is said, as the initial constructs met with an accident involving a test flight at night in which the craft never returned from.  Adolf Hitler, at the suggestion of  german rocket scientists (whom later defected and helped launch the U.S space program) suspected the craft met with navigation problems due to going to close to the edge of the earth.  They also disappeared from  nazi tracking devices. From there, Hitler is said to have  began believing the notion of a flat earth, however met with death shortly after.  The war ended and NASA's foundation was laid with the help of the same german rocket scientists which formally worked for Hitler and the Nazis.

Lol, is the only appropriate response to this...

So, the only "evidence" you have is that Nazi Germany was friends with Argentina. From that you conclude that Hitler must have constructed an antarctic base?

Come back when you have real evidence, not just what you dreamt up in prison.

The evidence I have is that everything I have posted (save for the Nazi naval base at Cape Horn) is already well documented. 

I asked for evidence of the Nazis having an antarctic base. It is not well documented, in fact, its not documented at all.

Once again, do you have any factual evidence?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 09:30:30 PM
The edge lies beyond the inhospitable terrain of what is known as antartica.  Hundreds of miles would have to be breached before one reaches the edge.  The only ones believed to have been there by myself and other prominent FE conspiracy theorists is the WSC, and Adolf Hitler.

There have been a few uneducated thoughts suggesting ice wall gaurds but there are no ice wall gaurds.  Some have thought this, and Crustinator seems  to think its gaurded by robotic penguins, but there is no reason for it to be gaurded.

Lol, what evidence do you have that Adolf Hitler ever went to the South pole?

The Nazis had ties to Argentina, and Juan Peron, the dictator of Argentina at the time was working  with them.  Juan Peron was another WW2 era dictator although had much less of a world wide role, he did assist and aid the Nazis though. (FUN FACT-Juans  first wife Isabel Peron went on to become the first woman to become a head of state in the western hemisphere, 1976)  It was from a Nazi Naval base established at Cape Horn which allowed for transfer of the construction materials which were used to construct the base in antartica.  Adolf Hitler was a man obsessed with the ocult, there is much speculation of how far this obsession went and how he implemented the ocultist teachings into his everyday life.  The nazis constructed the base in a mere 16 months, a feat equal to the U.S  construction of the pentagon, which took about the same time.   It was from this base that Hitler and the nazis first tested their advanced flying craft, the foo fighters.  I  will not include the theories on where and how the ideas for these craft came from, as some of them get a little crazy and are based on mere speculation and second hand accounting.  The craft were never actually used  in combat it is said, as the initial constructs met with an accident involving a test flight at night in which the craft never returned from.  Adolf Hitler, at the suggestion of  german rocket scientists (whom later defected and helped launch the U.S space program) suspected the craft met with navigation problems due to going to close to the edge of the earth.  They also disappeared from  nazi tracking devices. From there, Hitler is said to have  began believing the notion of a flat earth, however met with death shortly after.  The war ended and NASA's foundation was laid with the help of the same german rocket scientists which formally worked for Hitler and the Nazis.

Lol, is the only appropriate response to this...

So, the only "evidence" you have is that Nazi Germany was friends with Argentina. From that you conclude that Hitler must have constructed an antarctic base?

Come back when you have real evidence, not just what you dreamt up in prison.

The evidence I have is that everything I have posted (save for the Nazi naval base at Cape Horn) is already well documented. 

I asked for evidence of the Nazis having an antarctic base. It is not well documented, in fact, its not documented at all.

Once again, do you have any factual evidence?

Google Nazi base at antartica.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 06, 2011, 09:36:44 PM
The edge lies beyond the inhospitable terrain of what is known as antartica.  Hundreds of miles would have to be breached before one reaches the edge.  The only ones believed to have been there by myself and other prominent FE conspiracy theorists is the WSC, and Adolf Hitler.

There have been a few uneducated thoughts suggesting ice wall gaurds but there are no ice wall gaurds.  Some have thought this, and Crustinator seems  to think its gaurded by robotic penguins, but there is no reason for it to be gaurded.

Lol, what evidence do you have that Adolf Hitler ever went to the South pole?

The Nazis had ties to Argentina, and Juan Peron, the dictator of Argentina at the time was working  with them.  Juan Peron was another WW2 era dictator although had much less of a world wide role, he did assist and aid the Nazis though. (FUN FACT-Juans  first wife Isabel Peron went on to become the first woman to become a head of state in the western hemisphere, 1976)  It was from a Nazi Naval base established at Cape Horn which allowed for transfer of the construction materials which were used to construct the base in antartica.  Adolf Hitler was a man obsessed with the ocult, there is much speculation of how far this obsession went and how he implemented the ocultist teachings into his everyday life.  The nazis constructed the base in a mere 16 months, a feat equal to the U.S  construction of the pentagon, which took about the same time.   It was from this base that Hitler and the nazis first tested their advanced flying craft, the foo fighters.  I  will not include the theories on where and how the ideas for these craft came from, as some of them get a little crazy and are based on mere speculation and second hand accounting.  The craft were never actually used  in combat it is said, as the initial constructs met with an accident involving a test flight at night in which the craft never returned from.  Adolf Hitler, at the suggestion of  german rocket scientists (whom later defected and helped launch the U.S space program) suspected the craft met with navigation problems due to going to close to the edge of the earth.  They also disappeared from  nazi tracking devices. From there, Hitler is said to have  began believing the notion of a flat earth, however met with death shortly after.  The war ended and NASA's foundation was laid with the help of the same german rocket scientists which formally worked for Hitler and the Nazis.

Lol, is the only appropriate response to this...

So, the only "evidence" you have is that Nazi Germany was friends with Argentina. From that you conclude that Hitler must have constructed an antarctic base?

Come back when you have real evidence, not just what you dreamt up in prison.

The evidence I have is that everything I have posted (save for the Nazi naval base at Cape Horn) is already well documented. 

I asked for evidence of the Nazis having an antarctic base. It is not well documented, in fact, its not documented at all.

Once again, do you have any factual evidence?

Google Nazi base at antartica.

I did, and the only evidence I could find was "its a conspiracy!!!"

I do not believe in baseless conspiracy theories, only those supported by factual evidence.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 10:09:54 PM
I view the time between your posts as entirely insufficient to carry out anything even of remote semblance to a thoughtful and unbiased search.  The base isnt the conspiracy, what the base looked like, how large it was and what excatly went on there is what deals in great speculation.  Had you done a thourough investigation I would not have to tell you this now.  Locations such as where the base was located were prime real estate during times  of war.  Just look at how the untited states was able to purchase Alaska from russia in 1867 for 7.2 billion.
It was wartime power politics.  Remote artic bases are nothing of a mystery and their inrinsic value to wartime endeavors is evident.  You can really only debate the naval base in Cape Horn which is pretty trivial as it was  only said to be a waystation for the transport of materials and supplies.  Then you could debate whether Hitler  believed the world was flat after his foo fighters never came back from their test flight.  This I will need to further  research and look into Hitlers  personal writings to get a more comprehensive outlook.  It is not entirely unrealistic for the time as U.S president FDR was also an FE advocate.  If by chance  you lose that inner sloth which is clearing retarding your efforts, perhaps we could debate the details.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 06, 2011, 10:19:26 PM
I view the time between your posts as entirely insufficient to carry out anything even of remote semblance to a thoughtful and unbiased search.  The base isnt the conspiracy, what the base looked like, how large it was and what excatly went on there is what deals in great speculation.  Had you done a thourough investigation I would not have to tell you this now.  Locations such as where the base was located were prime real estate during times  of war.  Just look at how the untited states was able to purchase Alaska from russia in 1867 for 7.2 billion.
It was wartime power politics.  Remote artic bases are nothing of a mystery and their inrinsic value to wartime endeavors is evident.  You can really only debate the naval base in Cape Horn which is pretty trivial as it was  only said to be a waystation for the transport of materials and supplies.  Then you could debate whether Hitler  believed the world was flat after his foo fighters never came back from their test flight.  This I will need to further  research and look into Hitlers  personal writings to get a more comprehensive outlook.  It is not entirely unrealistic for the time as U.S president FDR was also an FE advocate.  If by chance  you lose that inner sloth which is clearing retarding your efforts, perhaps we could debate the details.

1) The short time it takes for me to reply has to do with my research skills being superior to most people's.

2) The base's existence is only explained by a conspiracy, as there is no evidence for it even being in the Antarctic, any details about such as its location and size are hence also explained by the conspiracy.

3) In your post you're really throwing out mixed signals on this. Are you talking about the arctic or the antarctic?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 06, 2011, 10:59:40 PM
I view the time between your posts as entirely insufficient to carry out anything even of remote semblance to a thoughtful and unbiased search.  The base isnt the conspiracy, what the base looked like, how large it was and what excatly went on there is what deals in great speculation.  Had you done a thourough investigation I would not have to tell you this now.  Locations such as where the base was located were prime real estate during times  of war.  Just look at how the untited states was able to purchase Alaska from russia in 1867 for 7.2 billion.
It was wartime power politics.  Remote artic bases are nothing of a mystery and their inrinsic value to wartime endeavors is evident.  You can really only debate the naval base in Cape Horn which is pretty trivial as it was  only said to be a waystation for the transport of materials and supplies.  Then you could debate whether Hitler  believed the world was flat after his foo fighters never came back from their test flight.  This I will need to further  research and look into Hitlers  personal writings to get a more comprehensive outlook.  It is not entirely unrealistic for the time as U.S president FDR was also an FE advocate.  If by chance  you lose that inner sloth which is clearing retarding your efforts, perhaps we could debate the details.

1) The short time it takes for me to reply has to do with my research skills being superior to most people's.

2) The base's existence is only explained by a conspiracy, as there is no evidence for it even being in the Antarctic, any details about such as its location and size are hence also explained by the conspiracy.

3) In your post you're really throwing out mixed signals on this. Are you talking about the arctic or the antarctic?

No, the short amount of time it takes you is simply a  reflection of your apathy.  This particular conspiracy is built upon a foundation of facts including expeditions, a great deal of transported resources to antartica by the germans, british intelligence and their seemingly relentless interest in Antartica.  And other accounts including  american discovery of a base in antartica and subsequent documented plans  to destroy it.  The conspiracy element comes in to play here when the talks about whether and how the base was actually  destroyed.  Arctic bases refer to remote and frigid areas in which bases have been established.  When dealing with something of such great significance, it likely follows that those with a vested interest may try to obfuscate the truth.  You no doubt understand  why this might be so given the grave implications of such a case as we are  discussing  now.  Look at how blindly americans used to trust their government.   Raising taxes was an infringement on freedom but  whatever they tell us aside from that goes.  Especially during  those times.  It was easy to produce obscurity, and they relied on this allegiance for quite some time.  Its more difficult now but all the same, it is not so relied upon as the establishment and its teachings are well entrenched.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: TonySonofGawain on December 07, 2011, 12:23:19 AM
I was told that Adolf Hitler was a firm believer in the "Hollow Earth" theory and that's why many of the Nazi's strategic calculations went awry. It's all very interesting. Hitler also apparently believed in the Holy Grail (not just in Indiana Jones), the city of Atlantis, various forms of magic and a whole list of other occult/esoteric subject matter. Spooky ...
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 07, 2011, 07:17:40 AM
I was told that Adolf Hitler was a firm believer in the "Hollow Earth" theory and that's why many of the Nazi's strategic calculations went awry. It's all very interesting. Hitler also apparently believed in the Holy Grail (not just in Indiana Jones), the city of Atlantis, various forms of magic and a whole list of other occult/esoteric subject matter. Spooky ...

Hitler was not an FE believer until the foo fighters never came back.  While there could have been several reasons for them never returning, Hitler was very hasty at the time while recieving speed injections and experiencing extreme paranoia.  After the german rocket scientists informed him of the possibility of an FE, he was mad with a need to know more.  Unfortunately for him, the war did not permit him to discover anything.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: EmperorZhark on December 07, 2011, 07:22:31 AM
Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 07, 2011, 07:36:22 AM
so now the continent of Antarctica is now the "new" ice wall.
i thought it was a wall 200 fett high surrounding a supposed  "edge"

this is truly amazing, the faqqers have admitted the FAQ is wrong.

Antarctica is not a great barrier holding back the oceans, and a vast part of its "edges" is not ice, its rock. Yes, vest glaciers and ice shelves surround some of Antarctica, especially in the winter, but many parts of it is shallow rocky shoreline.
even vast beaches
http://www.oceanfootage.com/video_clips/DH07_161 

There are also at least one permanent settlement on Antarctica,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station

These hundreds of people have never witnessed a vast 200 foot ice wall?

Is there any true "Zetetism" in the FAQ?

Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 07, 2011, 07:51:49 AM
so now the continent of Antarctica is now the "new" ice wall.
i thought it was a wall 200 fett high surrounding a supposed  "edge"

this is truly amazing, the faqqers have admitted the FAQ is wrong.

Antarctica is not a great barrier holding back the oceans, and a vast part of its "edges" is not ice, its rock. Yes, vest glaciers and ice shelves surround some of Antarctica, especially in the winter, but many parts of it is shallow rocky shoreline.
even vast beaches
http://www.oceanfootage.com/video_clips/DH07_161 

There are also at least one permanent settlement on Antarctica,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station

These hundreds of people have never witnessed a vast 200 foot ice wall?

Is there any true "Zetetism" in the FAQ?

Faqqers?  The ice 'wall' is formed by nature and subject to imperfections.  I see there is a problem with taking the word 'wall', much too literally.  I will from this day forth use the term 'ice barrier', so as not to confound the more curious members of these fora.  There is no need for 200ft ice barrier consistency, so long as the ice is above  sea level, as it would be, it will prevent the water from escaping.  This barrier was formed by nature and is not subject to the consitency of say, the wall surrounding China.  Or other protective barriers.  I hope this helps you in your understanding.  I know you like to show up and say things like,  ''there is no conspiracy'', and, ''there is no ice wall, look, theres a settlement.''  These  outrageous claims are simply irrational and should be investigated more before you subscribe to them with such devotion.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 07, 2011, 08:05:53 AM
Yeah, right.

Is that what you consider an argument, ''yeah right''   If you have a reasonable point of contention please lay out your objections in an equally reasonable fashion.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: EmperorZhark on December 07, 2011, 09:20:34 AM
Yeah, right.

Is that what you consider an argument, ''yeah right''   If you have a reasonable point of contention please lay out your objections in an equally reasonable fashion.

Just bring on your so-called evidence and let me laugh.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 07, 2011, 10:30:52 AM
These  outrageous claims are simply irrational and should be investigated more before you subscribe to them with such devotion.

I couldn't agree more, FET is irrational and we need to look into it before we pledge our undying love to it.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 07, 2011, 10:33:39 AM
These  outrageous claims are simply irrational and should be investigated more before you subscribe to them with such devotion.
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I couldn't agree more, FET is irrational and we need to look into it before we pledge our undying love to it.


You can play with quotes all you want it does not change anything and is counter productive.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 07, 2011, 11:00:40 AM
These  outrageous claims are simply irrational and should be investigated more before you subscribe to them with such devotion.

I couldn't agree more, FET is irrational and we need to look into it before we pledge our undying love to it.


You can play with quotes all you want it does not change anything and is counter productive.

Telling the truth is always productive, whether you want it to be or not.  ;D
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 07, 2011, 11:26:07 AM
until an actual wall (or barrier) is found, we (disc earth theorists) must be Zetetic,
and becuase of this we must assume either (1) the "barrier" is not Antarctica and must be much further beyond (See MAster Willmors map) or (2) there is no actual wall (barrier) and it is just a metaphor for where our sphereical sun no longer shines.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 07, 2011, 11:37:06 AM
until an actual wall (or barrier) is found, we (disc earth theorists) must be Zetetic,
and becuase of this we must assume either (1) the "barrier" is not Antarctica and must be much further beyond (See MAster Willmors map) or (2) there is no actual wall (barrier) and it is just a metaphor for where our sphereical sun no longer shines.

Brother and fellow FE advocate, I respect your analysis.  As you say disc, remember that a disc would have an edge, as the sun is only capable of warming so much, it follows that eventually an ice barrier would naturally occur.  I think you agree with this, you just do not believe the barrier is what is commonly called antarctica.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: EmperorZhark on December 07, 2011, 11:45:11 AM
I was told that Adolf Hitler was a firm believer in the "Hollow Earth" theory and that's why many of the Nazi's strategic calculations went awry. It's all very interesting. Hitler also apparently believed in the Holy Grail (not just in Indiana Jones), the city of Atlantis, various forms of magic and a whole list of other occult/esoteric subject matter. Spooky ...

Hitler was not an FE believer until the foo fighters never came back.  While there could have been several reasons for them never returning, Hitler was very hasty at the time while recieving speed injections and experiencing extreme paranoia.  After the german rocket scientists informed him of the possibility of an FE, he was mad with a need to know more.  Unfortunately for him, the war did not permit him to discover anything.

References?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 07, 2011, 12:14:47 PM
I was told that Adolf Hitler was a firm believer in the "Hollow Earth" theory and that's why many of the Nazi's strategic calculations went awry. It's all very interesting. Hitler also apparently believed in the Holy Grail (not just in Indiana Jones), the city of Atlantis, various forms of magic and a whole list of other occult/esoteric subject matter. Spooky ...

Hitler was not an FE believer until the foo fighters never came back.  While there could have been several reasons for them never returning, Hitler was very hasty at the time while recieving speed injections and experiencing extreme paranoia.  After the german rocket scientists informed him of the possibility of an FE, he was mad with a need to know more.  Unfortunately for him, the war did not permit him to discover anything.

References?

References?  Since when do you consider anything other than your absurd ellipsoid propaganda.  HHitler was indeed a drug addict.  He used to recieve regular injections and at times was nearly impossible to wake up.  It is said that one of the reasons the germans exhibited  such a belated  response to the aliied D-Day invasion was because  they couldnt wake Hitler up as he was exhausted from too much speed.  Experimentation with drugs during WW2 is well documented.  The Japs used to give the kamakazis speed.  How else do you think they got them to crash a plane into something, it had nothing to do with loyalty to the emperor.  They were simply so juiced up they actually thought they would live through it all.  Speed makes you feel like superman, like Thor, like you could take on a legion of flying warriors.  Believe me I know.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 07, 2011, 12:19:31 PM
I was told that Adolf Hitler was a firm believer in the "Hollow Earth" theory and that's why many of the Nazi's strategic calculations went awry. It's all very interesting. Hitler also apparently believed in the Holy Grail (not just in Indiana Jones), the city of Atlantis, various forms of magic and a whole list of other occult/esoteric subject matter. Spooky ...

Hitler was not an FE believer until the foo fighters never came back.  While there could have been several reasons for them never returning, Hitler was very hasty at the time while recieving speed injections and experiencing extreme paranoia.  After the german rocket scientists informed him of the possibility of an FE, he was mad with a need to know more.  Unfortunately for him, the war did not permit him to discover anything.

References?

References?  Since when do you consider anything other than your absurd ellipsoid propaganda.  HHitler was indeed a drug addict.  He used to recieve regular injections and at times was nearly impossible to wake up.  It is said that one of the reasons the germans exhibited  such a belated  response to the aliied D-Day invasion was because  they couldnt wake Hitler up as he was exhausted from too much speed.  Experimentation with drugs during WW2 is well documented.  The Japs used to give the kamakazis speed.  How else do you think they got them to crash a plane into something, it had nothing to do with loyalty to the emperor.  They were simply so juiced up they actually thought they would live through it all.  Speed makes you feel like superman, like Thor, like you could take on a legion of flying warriors.  Believe me I know.

Don't take it personally if we don't take your word for it.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: TonySonofGawain on December 08, 2011, 12:08:53 AM
I was told that Adolf Hitler was a firm believer in the "Hollow Earth" theory and that's why many of the Nazi's strategic calculations went awry. It's all very interesting. Hitler also apparently believed in the Holy Grail (not just in Indiana Jones), the city of Atlantis, various forms of magic and a whole list of other occult/esoteric subject matter. Spooky ...

Hitler was not an FE believer until the foo fighters never came back.  While there could have been several reasons for them never returning, Hitler was very hasty at the time while recieving speed injections and experiencing extreme paranoia.  After the german rocket scientists informed him of the possibility of an FE, he was mad with a need to know more.  Unfortunately for him, the war did not permit him to discover anything.

References?

References?  Since when do you consider anything other than your absurd ellipsoid propaganda.  HHitler was indeed a drug addict.  He used to recieve regular injections and at times was nearly impossible to wake up.  It is said that one of the reasons the germans exhibited  such a belated  response to the aliied D-Day invasion was because  they couldnt wake Hitler up as he was exhausted from too much speed.  Experimentation with drugs during WW2 is well documented.  The Japs used to give the kamakazis speed.  How else do you think they got them to crash a plane into something, it had nothing to do with loyalty to the emperor.  They were simply so juiced up they actually thought they would live through it all.  Speed makes you feel like superman, like Thor, like you could take on a legion of flying warriors.  Believe me I know.

I can fully believe that Hitler took speed, it would explain his energetic and rather scary speeches quite well. However, the kamakazi pilots ... not necessarily. Japanese warriors have been willingly committing harakiri and seppuku (ritual suicide) for centuries, it was a well established part of their culture until the Bomb was dropped on them, as far as I know. But anyway, back to the topic. What I dont understand is how the ice barrier is so well protected from exploration. Humans are perfectly capable of surviving in treachorous icy conditions, and are those who claim to have explored antartica also part of the Conspiracy? The FAQs explanation of ice guards is truly inadequate as the rim must be absolutely eeenormous.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 08, 2011, 10:54:35 AM
I was told that Adolf Hitler was a firm believer in the "Hollow Earth" theory and that's why many of the Nazi's strategic calculations went awry. It's all very interesting. Hitler also apparently believed in the Holy Grail (not just in Indiana Jones), the city of Atlantis, various forms of magic and a whole list of other occult/esoteric subject matter. Spooky ...

Hitler was not an FE believer until the foo fighters never came back.  While there could have been several reasons for them never returning, Hitler was very hasty at the time while recieving speed injections and experiencing extreme paranoia.  After the german rocket scientists informed him of the possibility of an FE, he was mad with a need to know more.  Unfortunately for him, the war did not permit him to discover anything.

References?

References?  Since when do you consider anything other than your absurd ellipsoid propaganda.  HHitler was indeed a drug addict.  He used to recieve regular injections and at times was nearly impossible to wake up.  It is said that one of the reasons the germans exhibited  such a belated  response to the aliied D-Day invasion was because  they couldnt wake Hitler up as he was exhausted from too much speed.  Experimentation with drugs during WW2 is well documented.  The Japs used to give the kamakazis speed.  How else do you think they got them to crash a plane into something, it had nothing to do with loyalty to the emperor.  They were simply so juiced up they actually thought they would live through it all.  Speed makes you feel like superman, like Thor, like you could take on a legion of flying warriors.  Believe me I know.

I can fully believe that Hitler took speed, it would explain his energetic and rather scary speeches quite well. However, the kamakazi pilots ... not necessarily. Japanese warriors have been willingly committing harakiri and seppuku (ritual suicide) for centuries, it was a well established part of their culture until the Bomb was dropped on them, as far as I know. But anyway, back to the topic. What I dont understand is how the ice barrier is so well protected from exploration. Humans are perfectly capable of surviving in treachorous icy conditions, and are those who claim to have explored antartica also part of the Conspiracy? The FAQs explanation of ice guards is truly inadequate as the rim must be absolutely eeenormous.


One  must look no further than a google search of a brief history of meth amphetamine.  It was being researched in the early 1900's as sort of a ''cure-all'' as it supressed ones diet, allowed for incresed energy, and also provide a feeling of euphoria.  When taken inlarger doses it could keep one awake for prolonged periods of time and (as tested on mice) possibly provoke violent behavior.  During WW2, american GI's consumed a great deal of amphetamine, as did the Japs.  Japanes suicide pilots were inspired by a bit more than fearless nationalism as the took pervitin and isophan, which were brand name forms of meth.  The drugs proliferation was largely abetted by the international pharmaceutical supplier Smith, Kline, and French (now Glaxo,Smith,Kline--a former employer of mine).

As for the FAQ encouraging the idea of ice wall gaurds, do not subscribe to such nonsense, they are simply  not  needed.  The ice barrier as far as we know  is there for anyone to visit however chances of reaching the edge are very slim.  The terrain is most inhospitable.  Also, others have promoted the idea of navigational manipulation at the hands of NASA/WSC.  Im am surprised  that the FAQ has remained how it has for so long, I personally feel it begets a false impression of this society to newcomers or noobs.  I have plans to write a draft and then private messege it to Orbisnonsufficit so he can make it more concise.  From there we will pass it to other prominent FE advocates here for their review and approval.  I hope this will allow for more consideration from newcomers (noobs) and possibly encourage more, much needed FET research from people all across the earth and from various backgrounds, occupations, and degrees of education. 
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 08, 2011, 11:10:18 AM
no wall means no gaurds,
even the FAQ admits the coast of antarctica is the "wall",
which is wrong because the coast of Antartica goes from shallow rock, to ice shelves, to beaches...
with very little being anywhere around 150 ft in height.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 08, 2011, 11:26:16 AM
no wall means no gaurds,
even the FAQ admits the coast of antarctica is the "wall",
which is wrong because the coast of Antartica goes from shallow rock, to ice shelves, to beaches...
with very little being anywhere around 150 ft in height.

Have you missed my earlier posts on this very thread?  Nature is unlikely to have produced a consisten, 150ft wall.  The barrier need only be above sea level and of course it most certainly would be.  Many parts of the barrier  are 150ft tall, and very much wall like in appearance.  However the only maintenance the wall recieves is from nature, which is subject to all sorts of circumstances.  You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?  If you are going to direct me to an alternative FE map please post it here or provide a link so I  can see how this amazing  feat is accomplished.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 08, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?

It is easy to go from those places to the Antarctic because the Earth is round.  ::)
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 08, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?

It is easy to go from those places to the Antarctic because the Earth is round.  ::)

See how easy this is for NASA/WSC.  I hope even you may appreciate this.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 08, 2011, 11:50:56 AM
You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?

It is easy to go from those places to the Antarctic because the Earth is round.  ::)

See how easy this is for NASA/WSC.  I hope even you may appreciate this.

I'd imagine it'd be equally as easy for a member of NASA to travel to Antarctica as any other scientific agency... Are you suggesting they know a short cut?  ???
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 08, 2011, 11:52:34 AM
please refer to Master Willmores map of Antarctica being a separate continent and the "barrier" much further beyond. Willmire is one of the best minds in disc earth theory and right now is probably deep in study.  He is what solidified det to me.

also, what does WSC stand for?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 08, 2011, 12:10:48 PM
please refer to Master Willmores map of Antarctica being a separate continent and the "barrier" much further beyond. Willmire is one of the best minds in disc earth theory and right now is probably deep in study.  He is what solidified det to me.

also, what does WSC stand for?


You may have missed my request that you post the map on this  thread or provide me a link as the search function is not working right for me right now.  I would greatly appreciate this. 

WSC is an abbreviation for World Space Coalition, not to be confused with the Coalition for Space Exploration (WCSE).  It refers to the various major space agencies around the world and is much ore broad than simply saying NASA.  Many people have cited problems with just NASA perpetuating fraud and the problems U.S agencies might  experience around the world.  While saying NASA has always  implicitly comprised these agencies to me and others, it seems a necessary endeavor to make clear by including the more broad ranging term WSC, so that newcomers understand.  While Tom Bishop will attempt to maintain that it is NASA using the others as puppets and keeping them in the dark, my father and I have discovered otherwise.  (With all due respect for Bishop's efforts)  I had used the actual wordibg along with the abbreviation initially so that people had time to pick up on it, I suppose I could have used it longer.  I am currently preparing an essayon WSC now, however between handling the FAQ, and this new essay, it could be another week or two before I can assemble it.  I will post it in FE General howver It will be moved to random musings as all good conspiracy threads are.  Also I have less time to post now as I have been released from the hospital and I am back to working.

Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 08, 2011, 12:17:28 PM
You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?

It is easy to go from those places to the Antarctic because the Earth is round.  ::)

See how easy this is for NASA/WSC.  I hope even you may appreciate this.

I'd imagine it'd be equally as easy for a member of NASA to travel to Antarctica as any other scientific agency... Are you suggesting they know a short cut?  ???

I am suggesting you troll harder.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 08, 2011, 12:58:21 PM
You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?

It is easy to go from those places to the Antarctic because the Earth is round.  ::)

See how easy this is for NASA/WSC.  I hope even you may appreciate this.

I'd imagine it'd be equally as easy for a member of NASA to travel to Antarctica as any other scientific agency... Are you suggesting they know a short cut?  ???

I am suggesting you troll harder.

Whether or not you believe the truth is your problem, not mine. You asked why it is so easy to reach the Antarctic from those places in the southern hemisphere, and I gave you a valid theory that matches all the evidence we have and is a reasonable answer to your question.

Has it occurred to you that perhaps your father was playing a practical joke on you?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 08, 2011, 01:03:40 PM
423Flat Earth Q&A / Re: He must have been going some.....
on: May 05, 2011, 03:01:53 AM
Not strictly a map, but a good approximation of the concept:


Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 08, 2011, 02:11:19 PM
You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?

It is easy to go from those places to the Antarctic because the Earth is round.  ::)

See how easy this is for NASA/WSC.  I hope even you may appreciate this.

I'd imagine it'd be equally as easy for a member of NASA to travel to Antarctica as any other scientific agency... Are you suggesting they know a short cut?  ???

I am suggesting you troll harder.

Whether or not you believe the truth is your problem, not mine. You asked why it is so easy to reach the Antarctic from those places in the southern hemisphere, and I gave you a valid theory that matches all the evidence we have and is a reasonable answer to your question.

Has it occurred to you that perhaps your father was playing a practical joke on you?

I was asking Iwanttobelieve how antarctica is reached from all those locations based on this FE map concept he was refering to.  Your idea of whats valid and resonable has clearly been determined incomprehensive. 

As for my father, he was a former Office of Strategic Services (OSS) worker, and like many, after the war he was relegated to a office job in an army barracks in New York.  He never suspected the earth to be flat however it was never brought  up to him.  During his time in the OSS he discovered information as he assisted with the defections of german scientists.  It was information pertaining to the fraud that would later become NASA/WSC.  i have already told that my initial interest in FET came about when I stumbled upon F.D.R's journal facsimile during my years of incarceration.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 08, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1079;area=showposts;start=360

post 378

Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 08, 2011, 03:15:48 PM
You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?

It is easy to go from those places to the Antarctic because the Earth is round.  ::)

See how easy this is for NASA/WSC.  I hope even you may appreciate this.

I'd imagine it'd be equally as easy for a member of NASA to travel to Antarctica as any other scientific agency... Are you suggesting they know a short cut?  ???

I am suggesting you troll harder.

Whether or not you believe the truth is your problem, not mine. You asked why it is so easy to reach the Antarctic from those places in the southern hemisphere, and I gave you a valid theory that matches all the evidence we have and is a reasonable answer to your question.

Has it occurred to you that perhaps your father was playing a practical joke on you?

I was asking Iwanttobelieve how antarctica is reached from all those locations based on this FE map concept he was refering to.  Your idea of whats valid and resonable has clearly been determined incomprehensive. 

As for my father, he was a former Office of Strategic Services (OSS) worker, and like many, after the war he was relegated to a office job in an army barracks in New York.  He never suspected the earth to be flat however it was never brought  up to him.  During his time in the OSS he discovered information as he assisted with the defections of german scientists.  It was information pertaining to the fraud that would later become NASA/WSC.  i have already told that my initial interest in FET came about when I stumbled upon F.D.R's journal facsimile during my years of incarceration.

How do you know the journal you found was legitimate?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 08, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
You say antarctica is not the wall as it has been successfully navigated, tell me then, how is antarctica successfully reached from south american, south africa, and australia?

It is easy to go from those places to the Antarctic because the Earth is round.  ::)

See how easy this is for NASA/WSC.  I hope even you may appreciate this.

I'd imagine it'd be equally as easy for a member of NASA to travel to Antarctica as any other scientific agency... Are you suggesting they know a short cut?  ???

I am suggesting you troll harder.

Whether or not you believe the truth is your problem, not mine. You asked why it is so easy to reach the Antarctic from those places in the southern hemisphere, and I gave you a valid theory that matches all the evidence we have and is a reasonable answer to your question.

Has it occurred to you that perhaps your father was playing a practical joke on you?

I was asking Iwanttobelieve how antarctica is reached from all those locations based on this FE map concept he was refering to.  Your idea of whats valid and resonable has clearly been determined incomprehensive. 

As for my father, he was a former Office of Strategic Services (OSS) worker, and like many, after the war he was relegated to a office job in an army barracks in New York.  He never suspected the earth to be flat however it was never brought  up to him.  During his time in the OSS he discovered information as he assisted with the defections of german scientists.  It was information pertaining to the fraud that would later become NASA/WSC.  i have already told that my initial interest in FET came about when I stumbled upon F.D.R's journal facsimile during my years of incarceration.

How do you know the journal you found was legitimate?


The facsimile is considered authentic by its publishers.  It wouuldnt matter if it wasnt though as simply because F.D.R was an FE advocate does not mean the earth is flat.  As I stated, it  was this which promted  my inquiry into the true nature of the earth.   I had already followed in my fathers footsteps by continuing tthe investigations of NASA/WSC, so these allegations naturally sparked my interest. 
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 08, 2011, 03:55:48 PM
Some of my friends and I have a bet concerning the following...

Why were you arrested?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: John Davis on December 08, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
What lies beyond the Ice wall ? How does one go past the Ice wall guards?
We don't know, we haven't been there.  The current theory is that infinite lands exist beyond the Antarctic, or rather as the Antarctic.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 08, 2011, 08:15:45 PM
What lies beyond the Ice wall ? How does one go past the Ice wall guards?
We don't know, we haven't been there.  The current theory is that infinite lands exist beyond the Antarctic, or rather as the Antarctic.

One current theory anyway.   
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: EmperorZhark on December 09, 2011, 07:23:14 AM
What lies beyond the Ice wall ? How does one go past the Ice wall guards?
We don't know, we haven't been there.  The current theory is that infinite lands exist beyond the Antarctic, or rather as the Antarctic.

One current theory anyway.

Those theories don't make a lo of sense. How could man in the 21st century noy go beyond the boundaries of known Earth?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: iwanttobelieve on December 09, 2011, 09:43:12 AM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 09, 2011, 12:12:49 PM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 09, 2011, 12:22:32 PM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.

No, it would simply be more dangerous, considering of course you managed to successfully navigate on a constant southern route. It would be a most difficult task at considering the harshness of the climate and terrain.  Not to mention possibly hundreds of miles to navigate.  Air transport may seem the expedient venture however it may not be so (see Nazi Foo Fighter test flights).
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 09, 2011, 12:29:24 PM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.

No, it would simply be more dangerous, considering of course you managed to successfully navigate on a constant southern route. It would be a most difficult task at considering the harshness of the climate and terrain.  Not to mention possibly hundreds of miles to navigate.  Air transport may seem the expedient venture however it may not be so (see Nazi Foo Fighter test flights).

I don't believe these Nazi test flights ever took place, as I don't believe in conspiracy theories unless I have reliable evidence.

Why would the climate and terrain pose any problems to sufficiently high altitude aircraft? Also, I think it would fairly easy to remain on a southern course, there are many navigational systems that could accomplish this; INS, gyroscopes, compass, etc.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 09, 2011, 03:42:50 PM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.

No, it would simply be more dangerous, considering of course you managed to successfully navigate on a constant southern route. It would be a most difficult task at considering the harshness of the climate and terrain.  Not to mention possibly hundreds of miles to navigate.  Air transport may seem the expedient venture however it may not be so (see Nazi Foo Fighter test flights).

I don't believe these Nazi test flights ever took place, as I don't believe in conspiracy theories unless I have reliable evidence.

Why would the climate and terrain pose any problems to sufficiently high altitude aircraft? Also, I think it would fairly easy to remain on a southern course, there are many navigational systems that could accomplish this; INS, gyroscopes, compass, etc.

Betsy Ross sewing the first american flag was a conspiracy but I bet you believed when your teavhers told you.  You simply wont do any first hand investigating, its so much easier and simpler to label something as conspiracy bilge.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: EmperorZhark on December 09, 2011, 04:19:49 PM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.

No, it would simply be more dangerous, considering of course you managed to successfully navigate on a constant southern route. It would be a most difficult task at considering the harshness of the climate and terrain.  Not to mention possibly hundreds of miles to navigate.  Air transport may seem the expedient venture however it may not be so (see Nazi Foo Fighter test flights).

I don't believe these Nazi test flights ever took place, as I don't believe in conspiracy theories unless I have reliable evidence.

Why would the climate and terrain pose any problems to sufficiently high altitude aircraft? Also, I think it would fairly easy to remain on a southern course, there are many navigational systems that could accomplish this; INS, gyroscopes, compass, etc.

Betsy Ross sewing the first american flag was a conspiracy but I bet you believed when your teavhers told you.  You simply wont do any first hand investigating, its so much easier and simpler to label something as conspiracy bilge.

Another conspiracy! I'd love to hear more about this one.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 09, 2011, 04:34:40 PM
The new theory of bendy flags requires a massive conspiracy to fool the world into thinking she made the flag. That about sum it up?  ::)
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Redhotpengy on December 09, 2011, 04:39:43 PM
LOL you are using my quote as your signature?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: jraffield1 on December 09, 2011, 04:43:15 PM
LOL you are using my quote as your signature?

Haha, indeed I am. It seemed like too good a quote to pass up.  ;D
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Redhotpengy on December 09, 2011, 04:46:10 PM
Well, sir, I am honored  ;D
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 09, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.

No, it would simply be more dangerous, considering of course you managed to successfully navigate on a constant southern route. It would be a most difficult task at considering the harshness of the climate and terrain.  Not to mention possibly hundreds of miles to navigate.  Air transport may seem the expedient venture however it may not be so (see Nazi Foo Fighter test flights).

I don't believe these Nazi test flights ever took place, as I don't believe in conspiracy theories unless I have reliable evidence.

Why would the climate and terrain pose any problems to sufficiently high altitude aircraft? Also, I think it would fairly easy to remain on a southern course, there are many navigational systems that could accomplish this; INS, gyroscopes, compass, etc.

Betsy Ross sewing the first american flag was a conspiracy but I bet you believed when your teavhers told you.  You simply wont do any first hand investigating, its so much easier and simpler to label something as conspiracy bilge.

Another conspiracy! I'd love to hear more about this one.

It was actually while serving time in prison which I learned about this.  I had submitted an inter-library loan from Princeton University fromthe prisons library computer terminal about bee keeping.  This was due to my plans to initiate a multiple hive operation following my release from captivity however problems arising shortly after my release inhibited these operations.  I was also studying the bees and their structual organization as I hoped to learn better how they form and operate a hive, as the details are most intricate and complex.  I was then going to attempt to implement  their habits and tendencies into todays society in further attempt to foster better societal conditions and build better communties to dwell in.  As I went to the prison library to pick up the bee keeping book, I took note to a world almanac.  At that time I had never viewed one and naturally, my inquisitive nature provoked me to check the book out.  It was in the almanac, in the politics and history section that I first learned that there is no historical evidence supporting Betsy Ross as the one who sewed the first american flag.  I, in turn, began the investigation as to why I had been taught this in grade school.  The results of this investigation were  most disappointing.  Betsy Ross was, ''read out'' of her local quaker community after she married her first husband (which allowed her the last name Ross).  Being ''read out'' is the equivalent to being excommunicated by the Roman catholic church.   Your quaker community and family no longer deal with you.  This was a result of her marriage as inter-denominational marriages went against the quakers religious doctrine.  She then started an upholstery business of her own (which was a risky business venture as she knew there would be no business from the local quaker community) which at the time was more than just home interior furnishment.  In those days upholstery included other crafts, including flag making which she produced for the local pennsylvania government for several years.  Her first husband was killed and she married a few more after that.  It wasnt until long after Elizabeth's (Betsy Ross) death, that her grandson William Canby presented the story of Betsy sewing the first american flag.  These are the facts, the theories surrounding why these events took place branch off from several different motives and involve two major theories. 
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: EmperorZhark on December 10, 2011, 03:38:10 AM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.

No, it would simply be more dangerous, considering of course you managed to successfully navigate on a constant southern route. It would be a most difficult task at considering the harshness of the climate and terrain.  Not to mention possibly hundreds of miles to navigate.  Air transport may seem the expedient venture however it may not be so (see Nazi Foo Fighter test flights).

I don't believe these Nazi test flights ever took place, as I don't believe in conspiracy theories unless I have reliable evidence.

Why would the climate and terrain pose any problems to sufficiently high altitude aircraft? Also, I think it would fairly easy to remain on a southern course, there are many navigational systems that could accomplish this; INS, gyroscopes, compass, etc.

Betsy Ross sewing the first american flag was a conspiracy but I bet you believed when your teavhers told you.  You simply wont do any first hand investigating, its so much easier and simpler to label something as conspiracy bilge.

Another conspiracy! I'd love to hear more about this one.

It was actually while serving time in prison which I learned about this.  I had submitted an inter-library loan from Princeton University fromthe prisons library computer terminal about bee keeping.  This was due to my plans to initiate a multiple hive operation following my release from captivity however problems arising shortly after my release inhibited these operations.  I was also studying the bees and their structual organization as I hoped to learn better how they form and operate a hive, as the details are most intricate and complex.  I was then going to attempt to implement  their habits and tendencies into todays society in further attempt to foster better societal conditions and build better communties to dwell in.  As I went to the prison library to pick up the bee keeping book, I took note to a world almanac.  At that time I had never viewed one and naturally, my inquisitive nature provoked me to check the book out.  It was in the almanac, in the politics and history section that I first learned that there is no historical evidence supporting Betsy Ross as the one who sewed the first american flag.  I, in turn, began the investigation as to why I had been taught this in grade school.  The results of this investigation were  most disappointing.  Betsy Ross was, ''read out'' of her local quaker community after she married her first husband (which allowed her the last name Ross).  Being ''read out'' is the equivalent to being excommunicated by the Roman catholic church.   Your quaker community and family no longer deal with you.  This was a result of her marriage as inter-denominational marriages went against the quakers religious doctrine.  She then started an upholstery business of her own (which was a risky business venture as she knew there would be no business from the local quaker community) which at the time was more than just home interior furnishment.  In those days upholstery included other crafts, including flag making which she produced for the local pennsylvania government for several years.  Her first husband was killed and she married a few more after that.  It wasnt until long after Elizabeth's (Betsy Ross) death, that her grandson William Canby presented the story of Betsy sewing the first american flag.  These are the facts, the theories surrounding why these events took place branch off from several different motives and involve two major theories.

1. I don't see a conspiracy, at best unvalid historicity.

2. Can't you make, at leat, paragraphs?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on December 10, 2011, 09:17:18 AM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.

No, it would simply be more dangerous, considering of course you managed to successfully navigate on a constant southern route. It would be a most difficult task at considering the harshness of the climate and terrain.  Not to mention possibly hundreds of miles to navigate.  Air transport may seem the expedient venture however it may not be so (see Nazi Foo Fighter test flights).

I don't believe these Nazi test flights ever took place, as I don't believe in conspiracy theories unless I have reliable evidence.

Why would the climate and terrain pose any problems to sufficiently high altitude aircraft? Also, I think it would fairly easy to remain on a southern course, there are many navigational systems that could accomplish this; INS, gyroscopes, compass, etc.

Betsy Ross sewing the first american flag was a conspiracy but I bet you believed when your teavhers told you.  You simply wont do any first hand investigating, its so much easier and simpler to label something as conspiracy bilge.

Another conspiracy! I'd love to hear more about this one.

It was actually while serving time in prison which I learned about this.  I had submitted an inter-library loan from Princeton University fromthe prisons library computer terminal about bee keeping.  This was due to my plans to initiate a multiple hive operation following my release from captivity however problems arising shortly after my release inhibited these operations.  I was also studying the bees and their structual organization as I hoped to learn better how they form and operate a hive, as the details are most intricate and complex.  I was then going to attempt to implement  their habits and tendencies into todays society in further attempt to foster better societal conditions and build better communties to dwell in.  As I went to the prison library to pick up the bee keeping book, I took note to a world almanac.  At that time I had never viewed one and naturally, my inquisitive nature provoked me to check the book out.  It was in the almanac, in the politics and history section that I first learned that there is no historical evidence supporting Betsy Ross as the one who sewed the first american flag.  I, in turn, began the investigation as to why I had been taught this in grade school.  The results of this investigation were  most disappointing.  Betsy Ross was, ''read out'' of her local quaker community after she married her first husband (which allowed her the last name Ross).  Being ''read out'' is the equivalent to being excommunicated by the Roman catholic church.   Your quaker community and family no longer deal with you.  This was a result of her marriage as inter-denominational marriages went against the quakers religious doctrine.  She then started an upholstery business of her own (which was a risky business venture as she knew there would be no business from the local quaker community) which at the time was more than just home interior furnishment.  In those days upholstery included other crafts, including flag making which she produced for the local pennsylvania government for several years.  Her first husband was killed and she married a few more after that.  It wasnt until long after Elizabeth's (Betsy Ross) death, that her grandson William Canby presented the story of Betsy sewing the first american flag.  These are the facts, the theories surrounding why these events took place branch off from several different motives and involve two major theories.

1. I don't see a conspiracy, at best unvalid historicity.

2. Can't you make, at leat, paragraphs?

No, just read the wall of text.  I laid out for you why and how this american folk lore came about as some here (yourself included) once again expressed doubt in my historical accounting.  The end of my explanantion clearly stated that there were motives behind what took place and stem into two main theories (conspiracy).  I had posted a good bit of words and figured I wouldnt overwhelm the good people here as I know many of them to confound so easily. 
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: EmperorZhark on December 12, 2011, 08:03:08 AM
it is still almost impossible for man in the 21st century to explore the vast depth of the ocean. I would think that the near absolute darkness of the unlit area would even be more treacherous, but hopefully it will be explored very soon. At least we could figure out where an "edge" may be if it exists at all.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to fly south and keep going? That way you avoid the treacherous conditions on the ground.

No, it would simply be more dangerous, considering of course you managed to successfully navigate on a constant southern route. It would be a most difficult task at considering the harshness of the climate and terrain.  Not to mention possibly hundreds of miles to navigate.  Air transport may seem the expedient venture however it may not be so (see Nazi Foo Fighter test flights).

I don't believe these Nazi test flights ever took place, as I don't believe in conspiracy theories unless I have reliable evidence.

Why would the climate and terrain pose any problems to sufficiently high altitude aircraft? Also, I think it would fairly easy to remain on a southern course, there are many navigational systems that could accomplish this; INS, gyroscopes, compass, etc.

Betsy Ross sewing the first american flag was a conspiracy but I bet you believed when your teavhers told you.  You simply wont do any first hand investigating, its so much easier and simpler to label something as conspiracy bilge.

Another conspiracy! I'd love to hear more about this one.

It was actually while serving time in prison which I learned about this.  I had submitted an inter-library loan from Princeton University fromthe prisons library computer terminal about bee keeping.  This was due to my plans to initiate a multiple hive operation following my release from captivity however problems arising shortly after my release inhibited these operations.  I was also studying the bees and their structual organization as I hoped to learn better how they form and operate a hive, as the details are most intricate and complex.  I was then going to attempt to implement  their habits and tendencies into todays society in further attempt to foster better societal conditions and build better communties to dwell in.  As I went to the prison library to pick up the bee keeping book, I took note to a world almanac.  At that time I had never viewed one and naturally, my inquisitive nature provoked me to check the book out.  It was in the almanac, in the politics and history section that I first learned that there is no historical evidence supporting Betsy Ross as the one who sewed the first american flag.  I, in turn, began the investigation as to why I had been taught this in grade school.  The results of this investigation were  most disappointing.  Betsy Ross was, ''read out'' of her local quaker community after she married her first husband (which allowed her the last name Ross).  Being ''read out'' is the equivalent to being excommunicated by the Roman catholic church.   Your quaker community and family no longer deal with you.  This was a result of her marriage as inter-denominational marriages went against the quakers religious doctrine.  She then started an upholstery business of her own (which was a risky business venture as she knew there would be no business from the local quaker community) which at the time was more than just home interior furnishment.  In those days upholstery included other crafts, including flag making which she produced for the local pennsylvania government for several years.  Her first husband was killed and she married a few more after that.  It wasnt until long after Elizabeth's (Betsy Ross) death, that her grandson William Canby presented the story of Betsy sewing the first american flag.  These are the facts, the theories surrounding why these events took place branch off from several different motives and involve two major theories.

1. I don't see a conspiracy, at best unvalid historicity.

2. Can't you make, at leat, paragraphs?

No, just read the wall of text.  I laid out for you why and how this american folk lore came about as some here (yourself included) once again expressed doubt in my historical accounting.  The end of my explanantion clearly stated that there were motives behind what took place and stem into two main theories (conspiracy).  I had posted a good bit of words and figured I wouldnt overwhelm the good people here as I know many of them to confound so easily.

I still don't see a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on January 20, 2012, 10:10:50 AM
Thats because you do not want to.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: ClockTower on January 20, 2012, 02:00:35 PM
Thats because you do not want to.
And that would be a good thing. Going in wanting something to be true is called confirmation bias, a common error of FEers--which you've demonstrated very well, yet again.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on January 20, 2012, 04:03:44 PM
Thats because you do not want to.
And that would be a good thing. Going in wanting something to be true is called confirmation bias, a common error of FEers--which you've demonstrated very well, yet again.
There is most certainly a bias,  and it is on behalf of the advocaes of the absurd ellipsoid earth theory.  It is called denial.  Please cease your petty attempts and please stop posting like rupaul speaks.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: The Knowledge on January 20, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
I laid out for you why and how this american folk lore came about as some here (yourself included) once again expressed doubt in my historical accounting.  The end of my explanantion clearly stated that there were motives behind what took place and stem into two main theories (conspiracy).  I had posted a good bit of words and figured I wouldnt overwhelm the good people here as I know many of them to confound so easily.

I bet you still celebrate the 4th of July and ignore the 2nd, right?  :P
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on January 20, 2012, 06:49:15 PM
I laid out for you why and how this american folk lore came about as some here (yourself included) once again expressed doubt in my historical accounting.  The end of my explanantion clearly stated that there were motives behind what took place and stem into two main theories (conspiracy).  I had posted a good bit of words and figured I wouldnt overwhelm the good people here as I know many of them to confound so easily.

I bet you still celebrate the 4th of July and ignore the 2nd, right?  :P


Thats common knowledge and does not pass conspiracy muster.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: ClockTower on January 20, 2012, 07:08:14 PM
Thats because you do not want to.
And that would be a good thing. Going in wanting something to be true is called confirmation bias, a common error of FEers--which you've demonstrated very well, yet again.
There is most certainly a bias,  and it is on behalf of the advocaes of the absurd ellipsoid earth theory.  It is called denial.  Please cease your petty attempts and please stop posting like rupaul speaks.
Clearly you don't understand science. Please do stop back when you do understand what confirmation bias is and that it's bad. Please learn to appreciate intellectual honesty of the open-minded inquirer.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on January 20, 2012, 10:40:19 PM
Thats because you do not want to.
And that would be a good thing. Going in wanting something to be true is called confirmation bias, a common error of FEers--which you've demonstrated very well, yet again.
There is most certainly a bias,  and it is on behalf of the advocaes of the absurd ellipsoid earth theory.  It is called denial.  Please cease your petty attempts and please stop posting like rupaul speaks.
Clearly you don't understand science. Please do stop back when you do understand what confirmation bias is and that it's bad. Please learn to appreciate intellectual honesty of the open-minded inquirer.

I know what a bias is.  I also know that your take on matters is extremely bias. 
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: ClockTower on January 20, 2012, 10:49:40 PM
I know what a bias is.  I also know that your take on matters is extremely biased.
I doubt the first, and know the second is false.

If you knew what bias was and the reasons it should be avoided, you would not complain that someone did not have one.

That's because you do not want to.
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: The Knowledge on January 21, 2012, 03:49:04 AM
I laid out for you why and how this american folk lore came about as some here (yourself included) once again expressed doubt in my historical accounting.  The end of my explanantion clearly stated that there were motives behind what took place and stem into two main theories (conspiracy).  I had posted a good bit of words and figured I wouldnt overwhelm the good people here as I know many of them to confound so easily.

I bet you still celebrate the 4th of July and ignore the 2nd, right?  :P


Thats common knowledge and does not pass conspiracy muster.

I bet you still celebrate 4th of July and ignore the 2nd, right?  :P
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: EireEngineer on January 21, 2012, 01:22:58 PM
Archibald, do you seriously believe in the Wunderwaffen?
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: iwanttobelieve on January 21, 2012, 02:39:11 PM
Archibald, what happened to the cool Ghostbusters avatar?

this new one, of some old guy is way to Tom Bishopy
Title: Re: Ice wall guards
Post by: Archibald on January 21, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Archibald, what happened to the cool Ghostbusters avatar?

this new one, of some old guy is way to Tom Bishopy
I was using my sons photo for a while and then decided to use my own.