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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Tgor on October 27, 2011, 09:57:52 PM

Title: Just to clear things up
Post by: Tgor on October 27, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
Just to clear things up gravity is not something pushing or pulling on anything. Gravity is the attraction between objects that have mass or energy. That is all
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Particle Person on October 27, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
Thanks for clearing things up. So, objects attracted to each other by the force of gravity are not being pulled toward each other?
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Tgor on October 27, 2011, 10:12:30 PM
No, think of it as a vacume of sorts sucking things towards it but never actually trapping them.
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Particle Person on October 27, 2011, 10:34:22 PM
I see, thanks for clearing things up. So, what is the difference between something being sucked towards something and something being pulled towards something?
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Tgor on October 27, 2011, 10:50:15 PM
Please note that I am stating a very simplified version of gravitation please view the wikepedia page to view a rather big worded, long winded, full explaination of gravitation.

To answer your question: The "sucking" is what everyone perceives as pulling, There really is no exact difference.

P.S I applaud you on your Socretian way of asking questions. Very nice :)


Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: John Davis on October 28, 2011, 09:47:50 AM
No, think of it as a vacume of sorts sucking things towards it but never actually trapping them.
Oh my.  I think you need to review Physics.
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: El Cid on October 28, 2011, 08:42:59 PM
Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/0/f/3/0f36df929ac9d711a8ba8c5658c3bfee.png)

where:
 F is the force between the masses,
 G is the gravitational constant,
 m1 is the first mass,
 m2 is the second mass, and
 r is the distance between the masses

Assuming SI units, F is measured in newtons (N), m1 and m2 in kilograms (kg), r in meters (m), and the constant G is approximately equal to 6.674×10^−11 N m2 kg^−2.

It's not sucking and it's not pulling.  It's simply attraction.  Force means how much they move.  Newtons is a unit of weight, and this is how we can determine the force gravity is pulling on an object.  Therefore, it is a unit of force.  Kilograms is mass, newtons is weight, pounds are weight.  Hence, you get things like, "A pressure of x pounds per square inch."  The pounds (unit of weight) is how much force is being applied to every square inch.  There, you get a pressure lesson too.

This is Newton's law of course; Einstein changed up the rules a bit.

Edit:  I felt like I should add this.  Yes!  Energy too.  That was Einstein, again.  Remember E = mc^2, where E is energy, m is mass, and c is the speed of light.  This creates effects such as high energy causing gravity.  In General Relativity, gravity is the warping of spacetime.  This causes things to go faster (through space), and since time and space are a continuum, time will also be distorted (more as we approach the speed of light).  Energy can warp spacetime as well.  You could, hypothetically, shoot a laser with huge amounts of energy and warp spacetime in that direction.  When approaching the laser, you would begin to get "carried away" in the "current" and time would slow down as well.  This is a gravitational wave.
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: EnglshGentleman on October 28, 2011, 10:22:33 PM
Cool copypasta, bro.

Believe it or not we are all aware of that there is a theory of gravity.
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: El Cid on October 29, 2011, 11:32:59 AM
Cool copypasta, bro.

Believe it or not we are all aware of that there is a theory of gravity.
But I thought FET maintained gravity?  Only that it doesn't affect Earth?

If not, then how do you explain tides?
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Tgor on October 31, 2011, 05:59:47 PM
Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/0/f/3/0f36df929ac9d711a8ba8c5658c3bfee.png)

where:
 F is the force between the masses,
 G is the gravitational constant,
 m1 is the first mass,
 m2 is the second mass, and
 r is the distance between the masses

Assuming SI units, F is measured in newtons (N), m1 and m2 in kilograms (kg), r in meters (m), and the constant G is approximately equal to 6.674×10^−11 N m2 kg^−2.

It's not sucking and it's not pulling.  It's simply attraction.  Force means how much they move.  Newtons is a unit of weight, and this is how we can determine the force gravity is pulling on an object.  Therefore, it is a unit of force.  Kilograms is mass, newtons is weight, pounds are weight.  Hence, you get things like, "A pressure of x pounds per square inch."  The pounds (unit of weight) is how much force is being applied to every square inch.  There, you get a pressure lesson too.

This is Newton's law of course; Einstein changed up the rules a bit.

Edit:  I felt like I should add this.  Yes!  Energy too.  That was Einstein, again.  Remember E = mc^2, where E is energy, m is mass, and c is the speed of light.  This creates effects such as high energy causing gravity.  In General Relativity, gravity is the warping of spacetime.  This causes things to go faster (through space), and since time and space are a continuum, time will also be distorted (more as we approach the speed of light).  Energy can warp spacetime as well.  You could, hypothetically, shoot a laser with huge amounts of energy and warp spacetime in that direction.  When approaching the laser, you would begin to get "carried away" in the "current" and time would slow down as well.  This is a gravitational wave.

Thanks for helping me on this.

I saw a lot of people talk about this wrong in the forum and they wern't all Flat Earthers 
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Around And About on October 31, 2011, 07:15:15 PM
Thanks for clearing things up.
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: jraffield1 on November 05, 2011, 08:07:08 AM
No, think of it as a vacume of sorts sucking things towards it but never actually trapping them.
Oh my.  I think you need to review Physics.

Says the person who likes to make up physics that suits his theory
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Conker on November 05, 2011, 09:11:48 AM
As gravity is measurable between non-astronomical corpses (?), I don´t think were are talking about a gravity theory, FE´ers
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Tausami on November 05, 2011, 05:24:42 PM
Three different things are being said here,  so I'll address each one separately.

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Just to clear things up gravity is not something pushing or pulling on anything. Gravity is the attraction between objects that have mass or energy. That is all

Yes, we know that. Was this supposed to be a prelude to a point, or are you just a first-year physics student?


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This is just semantics. Does it really matter if our over-simplified mentions of gravity refer to it as pulling, sucking, or an attraction?


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As gravity is measurable between non-astronomical corpses (?), I don´t think were are talking about a gravity theory, FE´ers

Measurable by who?
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Conker on November 06, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
By you, if you have the patience needed to build a Cavendish Torsion Balance
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: El Cid on November 15, 2011, 05:39:57 PM
Just to clear things up gravity is not something pushing or pulling on anything. Gravity is the attraction between objects that have mass or energy. That is all
Aaauuugh!!  Your...your picture!

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Just to clear things up
Post by: Tgor on November 15, 2011, 05:47:19 PM
Just to clear things up gravity is not something pushing or pulling on anything. Gravity is the attraction between objects that have mass or energy. That is all
Aaauuugh!!  Your...your picture!

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

No its not it's true, but lets try to stay on topic please