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Title: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: TheLogicKing on October 21, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
It occurred to me that using logic you can almost  disprove the flat Earth theory (at least if you choose to view from a logical standpoint and not from a factual standpoint, in which case the flat Earth theory has already been proven wrong more times than necessary). My point is this; if you were to acquire a telescope which has enough magnification to view other planets from our solar system clearly, you would see that without a doubt the other planets in our solar system are round and spherical. Using logic you can also deduce that the moon and the Earth should be (and, in my factually supported opinion, are) flat. So then, flat Earth society, why would the Earth and the moon be flat? What makes the Earth and the moon different than the rest of the planets in the solar system? And why should you put your faith in a theory that negates logic and says that the Earth is different from every other planet in the solar system, or arguably, the universe? I don't wish to hear why I am wrong, or why Nasa is conspiring against us and that is why all telescopes have been made to show other planets as round, I wish to hear the answers to the questions I asked. Also, this is not the time to blatantly throw out statements with no basis in fact, such as "because you're wrong" and other statements. Happy debating.
 
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Parsifal on October 21, 2011, 08:11:08 PM
Read the FAQ.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: TheLogicKing on October 21, 2011, 09:21:51 PM
The fact that you suggested I read the FAQ leads me to believe that you yourself either have not read the FAQ or did not read my post.
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Q: "Why are other planets round, but not the Earth?"

A: The Earth is not one of the other planets. The Earth is special and unlike the other bodies in numerous ways.

This is exactly the kind of response I definitely mentioned that I didn't want. Saying that the planet we live on is "special" without any scientific basis is childish.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 21, 2011, 09:38:50 PM
The fact that you suggested I read the FAQ leads me to believe that you yourself either have not read the FAQ or did not read my post.
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Q: "Why are other planets round, but not the Earth?"

A: The Earth is not one of the other planets. The Earth is special and unlike the other bodies in numerous ways.

This is exactly the kind of response I definitely mentioned that I didn't want. Saying that the planet we live on is "special" without any scientific basis is childish.

You have it quite backwards, though.  The argument that the Earth must be a round planet whirling through space because we observe round planets whirling through space is the one whose logic is flawed.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 01:06:01 AM
This is exactly the kind of response I definitely mentioned that I didn't want.
I don't think anyone cares what kind of answer you "want".
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 03:09:31 AM
So how were the planets formed a spheres and which specific phenomenon occured for the creation of a FE?

(And let's put aside this ridiculous idea that the Moon could be flat).
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 03:32:23 AM
Dunno.
So how do you know that there can only be one flat celestial body in the universe? I doubt even RE scientists are so bold as to claim they've explored the entire universe.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 04:08:15 AM
Well, so far... no flat planet.

Finding plat planets or stars would be a good indication that it is possible. So, just one? Ours?

And the question remains: how could Earth have been created flat, and furthermore almost completely flat (not even as slight "Pringle" effect)?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 05:43:00 AM
I already said I don't know.
I also don't know how the chair I'm sitting in has been manufactured or if anyone has an identical chair, and yet I can confirm that my chair exists. I would assume that someone has a chair like mine, but I haven't seen one yet.

Also, no one is saying that the Earth is completely flat. The Ferguson model (http://americandigest.org/a2-Orlando-Ferguson-flat-earth-map.jpg), in fact, makes it very clear that it's not entirely flat.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 05:49:13 AM
The chair example is, of course totally irrelevant, and let's please discard the Ferguson model as completely irrealistic.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 05:52:02 AM
The chair example is, of course totally irrelevant
This claim is, of course, absolutely baseless and incorrect. Using one object to draw conclusions about all other objects in a set or vice versa is a logical fallacy.

and let's please discard the Ferguson model as completely irrealistic.
I doubt anyone cares whether or not you consider any models here unrealistic. The point you're trying to miss is that the terms "round"/"spherical" and "flat" are used here loosely.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 05:57:44 AM
If you can't see why your example of the chair is totally irrelevant, its togh for you.

And if you knew a little something about physics, you'll new instantly that the Ferguson map is laughable.

Please, more science and logic, les personal attacks.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 06:28:57 AM
If you can't see why your example of the chair is totally irrelevant, its togh for you.

And if you knew a little something about physics, you'll new instantly that the Ferguson map is laughable.

Please, more science and logic, les personal attacks.
I didn't use any personal attacks. You, on the other hand, made two in this very post. I emboldened them for you.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 08:30:03 AM
And still no science nor logic in your posts.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Zogg on October 22, 2011, 08:39:13 AM
What makes the Earth and the moon different than the rest of the planets in the solar system?
(Emphasis by me)

Although I am a fervent defender of Round Earth Theory, I must say that this is actually not an argument against FET. By comparing the Earth with the "other" planets, you implicitely suppose that earth itself is a planet - which is the very thing you intend to prove. Calling the earth a planet is natural for round-earthers like you and me, but this is based on the (heliocentric) round earth model.

Originaly, "planētēs astēr" means nothing else than "wandering star", it was a word for certain small wandering objects of the night sky and didn't include earth. Even in the geocentric model, Earth is not considered a planet. It's only the heliocentric RE model that gives you the idea that earth is a planet and should thus to a certain point be similar to "other" planets.

On a forum where the roundness of the earth is discussed, your argument makes no more sense that asking why earth isn't made of steam, like the other clouds.^^

(Btw, the moon isn't a planet in either theory. ^^)
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 08:41:17 AM
What makes the Earth and the moon different than the rest of the planets in the solar system?
(Emphasis by me)

Although I am a fervent defender of Round Earth Theory, I must say that this is actually not an argument against FET. By comparing the Earth with the "other" planets, you implicitely suppose that earth itself is a planet - which is the very thing you intend to prove. Calling the earth a planet is natural for round-earthers like you and me, but this is based on the (heliocentric) round earth model.

Originaly, "planētēs astēr" means nothing else than "wandering star", it was a word for certain small wandering objects of the night sky and didn't include earth. Even in the geocentric model, Earth is not considered a planet. It's only the heliocentric RE model that gives you the idea that earth is a planet and should thus to a certain point be similar to "other" planets.

On a forum where the roundness of the earth is discussed, your argument makes no more sense that asking why earth isn't made of steam, like the other clouds.^^

(Btw, the moon isn't a planet in either theory. ^^)
I tried telling them that, but apparently there's no science nor logic in this reasoning.
Granted, what you said is absolutely true.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 10:57:17 AM
Still, trajectories of the planets indicate strongly that the planets of our solar system (including the Earth) revolve around the sun.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: logicalskeptic on October 22, 2011, 11:18:51 AM
694 extrasolar planets have been observed. and around 100 billion stars. The probability that the earth is the only flat planet would be 0.144% and out of all celestial bodies we have observed none are flat so the probability of the earth being the only flat celestial body is 0.000000001%. If you want to count all the celestial bodies we estimate there are there is a 0.00000000001% chance that the earth is the only thing in the universe that is flat.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Thork on October 22, 2011, 11:49:29 AM
694 extrasolar planets have been observed. and around 100 billion stars. The probability that the earth is the only flat planet would be 0.144% and out of all celestial bodies we have observed none are flat so the probability of the earth being the only flat celestial body is 0.000000001%. If you want to count all the celestial bodies we estimate there are there is a 0.00000000001% chance that the earth is the only thing in the universe that is flat.
Meh, exactly the same could be said for life on earth. From a Zetetic standpoint, I am alive. Life must be possible. Earth is flat, flat celestial bodies must be possible.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 11:57:31 AM
Pure syllogism!
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: TheLogicKing on October 22, 2011, 12:09:42 PM
Yes but we have absolute proof of life on Earth. Besides, just from looking through a telescope at other planets we cannot be completely sure if there is or isn't life on other planets. Also conditions have to be right for life on other planets, so the comparison between life on Earth and the probability of Earth being the only flat celestial body in the universe observed thus far is completely obsolete.

I would like to point out that my question has yet to be answered. And, to once again ask a question that EmperorZhark asked, if the other planets (and all observed celestial bodies) are round and ours just happens to be flat, what makes other bodies round in the absence of gravity? And what makes ours round? If you are going to blindly assert facts to be true without searching why these facts are true, then you are not helping prove the flat Earth theory. Remember, even if you are to believe that the round Earth theory is false, round Earthers have at least sought to prove why celestial bodies are round and, until proved wrong, succeeded.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Thork on October 22, 2011, 01:18:00 PM
It is likely that a flat celestial body is a prerequisite for life. Life does not exist on any of the round ones we have observed. When we find another flat celestial body, that would likely be a place with a better chance of finding life.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 01:21:38 PM
It is likely that a flat celestial body is a prerequisite for life.

Says who ?

And you're witing for this: evidence?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Thork on October 22, 2011, 01:26:25 PM
It is logical. The only life yet found has been on a flat celestial body. Therefore that would seem a good place to look.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: TheLogicKing on October 22, 2011, 02:03:10 PM
Thork, if you are going to get mad when we state a scientific fact that the Earth is round, you cannot say with absoluteness that the Earth is flat. Also, why would flat bodies be more suited for life than spherical?


On a different note, not one person has answered any of the questions posed in the first post. As usual, you have been dodging them. So here they are again.

Why would the Earth and the moon be flat? What makes the Earth different than the rest of the planets in the solar system?
Why should you put your faith in a theory that negates logic and says that the Earth is different from every other planet in the solar system, or arguably, the universe?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Zogg on October 22, 2011, 02:34:24 PM
...that the Earth is different from every other planet in the solar system...?

From Round-Earther to Round-Earther: Could you please stop using the claim "earth is one of the planets" as premisse? Your argumentation is based on the assumption that earth is a planet - but that's what you are trying to prove. Like it or not, Flat-Earthers do not consider earth a planet, so an argument based on earth being one of the planets doesn't contribute anything to this discussion.
 
There are a lot of arguments against FE - but by using fallacies against FE you're not helping. Thank you.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 22, 2011, 03:34:06 PM
It is logical. The only life yet found has been on a flat celestial body. Therefore that would seem a good place to look.

Again a syllogism (but even weaker that the previous one).
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: markjo on October 22, 2011, 06:32:33 PM
It is logical. The only life yet found has been on a flat celestial body.

Read the FAQ.  The flat earth is not a celestial body.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: SeriousBeliver on October 23, 2011, 02:33:30 AM
I think that the earth is ontop of a dog and that is why the people on earth are in love with dogs and hate cats. Oh and the dog is flat and thats why dogs have bones so they can give the flat dog a 3D structure but it never happens. See, it makes more sense than that stupid earth is round. Why do we love dogs, because the world is a dog, not some stupid calculations and fake satelite imagery by the fbi suggesting the earth is round.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Thork on October 23, 2011, 02:45:38 AM
It is logical. The only life yet found has been on a flat celestial body.

Read the FAQ.  The flat earth is not a celestial body.
Do not pigeon hole my beliefs. I am allowed to draw whichever conclusions seem most suitable to my understanding of the universe. As you well know, the FAQ needs some major work done. I will stick with my reasoned statement thank you.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 23, 2011, 03:35:01 AM
The FAQ just says that the Earth is different!
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 23, 2011, 04:11:36 AM
The FAQ just says that the Earth is different!
Indeed.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 23, 2011, 04:13:02 AM
So much for science!
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 23, 2011, 05:01:41 AM
So much for science!
You remind me of GLaDOS. You talk about science a lot.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 23, 2011, 05:28:33 AM
Yep. And I ask a lot of questions, of whom a very little number are answered.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 23, 2011, 05:46:26 AM
Yep. And I ask a lot of questions, of whom a very little number are answered.
It tends to work like that when you're acting like an immature twat. People get bored and unwilling to discuss.
An alternative explanation: You have just crushed this society and we are so wrong. Mission accomplished. You can go home now.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 23, 2011, 06:39:18 AM
Insult and very little science.

Just a little reminder: the last question was: why should life developp on a flat planet rather than on a round one?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: rin112 on October 23, 2011, 08:05:53 AM
It is logical. The only life yet found has been on a flat celestial body. Therefore that would seem a good place to look.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Tausami on October 23, 2011, 08:37:35 AM
Several of the RE'ers partaking in this debate may find the this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies)
to be of use.

Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 23, 2011, 09:14:03 AM
Just a little reminder: the last question was: why should life developp on a flat planet rather than on a round one?
The two facts seem to be entirely unrelated.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 23, 2011, 09:36:02 AM
Not ccording to Thork.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: NoFlatChicks on October 23, 2011, 09:48:21 AM
So how is Earth special? If you say "Because it has life", then you're saying "Earth is special because it has life because it is flat because it is special" and that's logic as circular as the Earth is spherical.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 23, 2011, 10:57:49 AM
So how is Earth special? If you say "Because it has life", then you're saying "Earth is special because it has life because it is flat because it is special" and that's logic as circular as the Earth is spherical.

The Earth is simply a different sort of body from the observed celestial bodies above us.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: logicalskeptic on October 23, 2011, 10:59:54 AM
No it's not we have observed it too and its round like the rest of them.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 23, 2011, 11:07:17 AM

The Earth is simply a different sort of body from the observed celestial bodies above us.

What is it, then?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Tausami on October 23, 2011, 11:26:15 AM

The Earth is simply a different sort of body from the observed celestial bodies above us.

What is it, then?

The Earth.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Tausami on October 23, 2011, 11:27:14 AM
No it's not we have observed it too and its round like the rest of them.

Petitio principii
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: logicalskeptic on October 23, 2011, 11:32:31 AM
No it isn't begging the question. Because we do have proof that it happened. WE HAVE THE PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!! evidence is not the same as an argument an argument cannot be assumed to be true without evidence but evidence is just evidence it doesn't need evidence to back it up. Otherwise you would need an endless chain of evidence proving evidence to show anything.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 23, 2011, 11:34:11 AM

The Earth is simply a different sort of body from the observed celestial bodies above us.

What is it, then?

The Earth.

So you don't know?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 23, 2011, 11:41:50 AM
WE HAVE THE PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/death-star-1.jpg)
The Death Star exists. WE HAVE THE PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: logicalskeptic on October 23, 2011, 11:43:20 AM
a picture easily PROVEN to be a fake!!
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: logicalskeptic on October 23, 2011, 11:45:56 AM
Evidence isn't making a claim so no the burden of proof doesn't apply. Evidence is accepted unless shown to not be evidence.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: markjo on October 23, 2011, 07:59:27 PM
The Death Star exists. WE HAVE THE PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.empsfm.org/images/spinkids/deathStar.jpg)
Yes, it does.  What's your point?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Thork on October 24, 2011, 02:54:06 AM
^I have had warnings for posting things far more relevant than that.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 24, 2011, 04:54:38 AM
The Death Star exists. WE HAVE THE PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.empsfm.org/images/spinkids/deathStar.jpg)
Yes, it does.  What's your point?
Please refrain from low-content posting in the upper fora. This is a warning, followed by a ban, and then another warning, which overfills your warning quota and bans you again.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 24, 2011, 08:46:34 AM
No need to ban the people who keep on insulting me.

I don't care. I'm only interested by science here. And conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: markjo on October 24, 2011, 09:12:13 AM
The Death Star exists. WE HAVE THE PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.empsfm.org/images/spinkids/deathStar.jpg)
Yes, it does.  What's your point?
Please refrain from low-content posting in the upper fora. This is a warning, followed by a ban, and then another warning, which overfills your warning quota and bans you again.
So you admit that you didn't have a point.  Good to know.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 24, 2011, 09:18:11 AM
The Death Star exists. WE HAVE THE PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.empsfm.org/images/spinkids/deathStar.jpg)
Yes, it does.  What's your point?
Please refrain from low-content posting in the upper fora. This is a warning, followed by a ban, and then another warning, which overfills your warning quota and bans you again.
So you admit that you didn't have a point.  Good to know.
The standards of moderation have really gone downhill on this forum. Moderators are low-content posting, and I have remained unbanned for over a month! This is just unacceptable.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 24, 2011, 04:11:13 PM
Could FE be as fictional as the Death Star?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 24, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Could FE be as fictional as the Death Star?
Absolutely, yes. However, so could RE.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 25, 2011, 11:46:27 AM
It's far from being demonstrated as fictional.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 25, 2011, 12:35:58 PM
That's entirely irrelevant. You've asked if it's possible, and you've received your answer.
How likely that possibility might be is an entire new subject.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 25, 2011, 12:50:29 PM
It's not irrelevant. It was an answer to you saying that the RE could be fictional.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Son of Orospu on October 25, 2011, 01:27:23 PM
It's not irrelevant. It was an answer to you saying that the RE could be fictional.

I think you mean a rebuttal.  An "answer" would require a question to have been asked.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: El Cid on October 29, 2011, 07:54:39 PM
There is a possibility of anything.

For example, we could be alien monkeys with forty-two eyeballs and seventeen brains and eight hearts, hooked up to a machine that gives our nervous system inputs and uses the outputs to give us the illusion of this world.

Let us not talk about possibilities.  Let's assume the universe is objective, and subscribe to the philosophy of Occam's razor; such speculation is meaningless.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: Ski on October 29, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
In science we can only say that things are more or less likely. There is no "proof" of the kind you are looking for.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: El Cid on October 29, 2011, 08:46:10 PM
In science we can only say that things are more or less likely. There is no "proof" of the kind you are looking for.

Hume says that we cannot even say if something is more or less likely.  If somebody flips a coin from out of your view, and gets heads, and heads again, and heads again, and heads again, then don't you start to suspect that maybe it's a weird coin with two heads?  But you cannot prove this; in fact, you can't say whether it's more likely.  Even if the coin is flipped a million times, only getting heads, it still could entirely be possible that it is a freak coincidence.  If you get tails, then you know immediately that it was.  Even probabilites are rendered meaningless by induction.

But this is not science, which is why I suggest that we assume the universe to be objective, and subscribe to the philosophy of Occam's razor, so that we don't have to worry about "maybe this, maybe that" because we will assume the simplest to be true.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EnglshGentleman on October 31, 2011, 11:38:23 AM
694 extrasolar planets have been observed. and around 100 billion stars. The probability that the earth is the only flat planet would be 0.144% and out of all celestial bodies we have observed none are flat so the probability of the earth being the only flat celestial body is 0.000000001%. If you want to count all the celestial bodies we estimate there are there is a 0.00000000001% chance that the earth is the only thing in the universe that is flat.

We haven't actually SEEN all of those planets, and all of those stars though. We don't have pictures of every single extrasolar planet and every single star. Astronomers just measure how many stars appear to be in a cluster or area, and then log them all. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

If it only took 1 second to look find each of the 100 billion stars, catalog them, take a picture, and see if it is flat or not, it would still take over 3000 years to complete such a task. Your probabilities are invalid, since we don't actually know how many of those planets and stars are flat or not.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 31, 2011, 01:52:56 PM
With the lack of explanation about the formation of a flat planet, theory lets us think that all planets are round. Until disproven.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 31, 2011, 02:12:52 PM
With the lack of explanation about the formation of life, theory lets us think that life doesn't exist. Until disproven [sic].
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EnglshGentleman on October 31, 2011, 02:43:19 PM
With the lack of explanation about the how gravitation works, theory lets us think that gravity does not work. Until disproven. [sic]
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 31, 2011, 02:48:49 PM
With the lack of evidence of America existing, America didn't exist before it was discovered.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on November 01, 2011, 02:24:29 AM
I was talking THEORY. You really have your way in misreading and misunderstanding my mails, you're good!
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EnglshGentleman on November 01, 2011, 06:31:35 AM
I was talking THEORY. You really have your way in misreading and misunderstanding my mails, you're good!

 ???
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on November 02, 2011, 01:25:20 AM
I was talking THEORY. You really have your way in misreading and misunderstanding my mails, you're good!

 ???

What's your point, apart that I wrote the wrong word?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EnglshGentleman on November 02, 2011, 08:11:48 AM
I was talking THEORY. You really have your way in misreading and misunderstanding my mails, you're good!

 ???

What's your point, apart that I wrote the wrong word?

What was it suppose to say?

Nails? Pails? Sails? Tails? Rails? Wails? Fails?
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: EmperorZhark on November 02, 2011, 09:46:13 AM
Posts!
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on November 02, 2011, 03:13:46 PM
I was talking THEORY. You really have your way in misreading and misunderstanding my mails, you're good!
America not existing was a theory. People thought they have already mapped the Earth, and that there is no more land to find.
The theory of gravitation is a theory as well. A clue in the name.
Title: Re: A Bit Of Logic For You To Ponder.
Post by: El Cid on November 02, 2011, 03:41:29 PM
Source:  http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm (http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm)

A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. Usually, a hypothesis can be supported or refuted through experimentation or more observation. A hypothesis can be disproven, but not proven to be true.

A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them. One way to tell a law and a theory apart is to ask if the description gives you a means to explain 'why'.
 
Example: Consider Newton's Law of Gravity. Newton could use this law to predict the behavior of a dropped object, but he couldn't explain why it happened.


As you can see, the difference between a theory and a law are not whether they are proven.  Yes, gravity is a law, but this does not mean it has been "proved."  In fact, General Relativity makes it not entirely true, and yet it is still a law.