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Title: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 05:20:19 PM
Ok so here you go how do you explain that liquids absent of forces assume the shape with the least surface area per unit volume. That's why raindrops are round and how lead shot is formed. The earth is mostly liquid the core is liquid so therefore because it's not influenced by forces it's round just wondering if anyone has a response
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Earthslayer on September 15, 2011, 05:26:47 PM
Are you advocating RET or FET?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 05:27:57 PM
The earth is mostly liquid the core is liquid so therefore because it's not influenced by forces it's round just wondering if anyone has a response 
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Vongeo on September 15, 2011, 05:30:39 PM
I'm not going to debate you.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 05:31:48 PM
WHY NOT! :( I haven't seen anyone refute this yet
p.s. i'm new
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Vongeo on September 15, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Vongeo on September 15, 2011, 05:36:45 PM
Um, sorry, but I shall.

See the thing is the Core is pretty speculated, and about the liquid of the earth is kept in the bowl of the icewall. I'm not sure if that answers your question.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 05:38:27 PM
yes but it isn't being acted on by forces which would make it a sphere
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Ski on September 15, 2011, 05:45:33 PM
Surface tension turns the lead shot/raindrops into a ball. Not "gravity".
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
Thats the point because they are in freefall the force of gravity is negated because of air friction so they become a sphere.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Earthslayer on September 15, 2011, 05:48:51 PM
Don't worry LogicalSkeptic they demand rediculously large amounts of evidence from us RE'ers yet never give a lot to back up their theory you have to be able to argue against even the most absurd arguments but you have a good point.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 05:51:58 PM
HAHA i like the amount of special pleading that goes on here it's crazy how little people know about laws of logic
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: gotham on September 15, 2011, 06:04:42 PM
The laws of logic fully support flat earth realization as you will soon find out. I see you already properly realize problems with gravity so you have begun your path to truth.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 15, 2011, 06:06:55 PM
Actually, raindrops in free fall are flat.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Earthslayer on September 15, 2011, 06:07:29 PM
Problems with gravity don't exist problems with UA though are huge. Again, extend my point from my thread about how if gravity doesn't exist neither does UA thus either gravity is right and UA might be right or they are both wrong but Ockam's razor means that if you need one to support the other then you don't really need the other theory anyways.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:07:40 PM
UMM 1 no they don't the laws of logic require empiricle evidence for beliefs and i wasn't questioning gravity i was using it to show the earth is round
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 15, 2011, 06:11:14 PM
Falling water droplets don't form spheres. They become flattened disks.

(http://images.suite101.com/167794_noraindrop.jpg) (http://images.suite101.com/167800_truedrop.jpg)

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/science_sky/91232

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/science_sky/91232/2

http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/almanac/arc2000/alm00jul.htm

http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/history/lenard.htm
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:13:27 PM
Even if that was true it would be irrelevent that would just be air resistance deforming it but if it was truely void of all forces then it would be perfectly round it's how we form lead shot.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 15, 2011, 06:17:04 PM
Even if that was true it would be irrelevent that would just be air resistance deforming it but if it was truely void of all forces then it would be perfectly round it's how we form lead shot.

It's not irrelevant. You said that rain drops were round therefore the earth is round. This is false because:

1. Raindrops aren't round
2. The earth is not a raindrop
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 15, 2011, 06:17:35 PM
Also, a molten glob of lead shot naturally flattens out into a pancake when you put it on a table.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: three-dimensional-world on September 15, 2011, 06:18:07 PM
Ok so here you go how do you explain that liquids absent of forces assume the shape with the least surface area per unit volume. That's why raindrops are round and how lead shot is formed. The earth is mostly liquid the core is liquid so therefore because it's not influenced by forces it's round just wondering if anyone has a response

You are utterly confused.

Minimal surface area arises from the internal forces of a fluid gravity plays no part in this. The earth is an astronomical solid body so the laws of fluids do not apply.

Please see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=50643.msg1243328 to clear up your confusion so that you don't continue to post such muddled nonsense.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
no this isn't a contradiction i said liquids like most of the earth void of forces are round it doesn't matter if rain is
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:21:57 PM
Raindrops start out as round high in the atmosphere as water collects on dust and smoke particles in clouds. But as raindrops fall, they lose their rounded shape. Instead, a raindrop is more like the top half of a hamburger bun. Flattened on the bottom and with a curved dome top, raindrops are anything but the classic tear shape. The reason is due to their speed falling through the atmosphere.

raindrops void of forces are round they air friction distorts them as they fall so they are no longer void of forces
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:24:23 PM
"Minimal surface area arises from the internal forces of a fluid" exactly VOID OF OUTSIDE FORCES gravity plays no part

and the earth is mostly liquid in the core and mantle therefore they do apply
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:30:31 PM
I've seen it
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:36:17 PM
and by the way your own video refutes your position just saying
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
AND his point supports mine internal forces inside the object (gravity) pull everything inwards towards the center when there are no forces from outside the object making it a sphere making it the least surface area per volume because of this.he also expands my argument from liquids to all objects, solids just need more gravity to do.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: momentia on September 15, 2011, 06:41:41 PM
Raindrops start out as round high in the atmosphere as water collects on dust and smoke particles in clouds. But as raindrops fall, they lose their rounded shape. Instead, a raindrop is more like the top half of a hamburger bun. Flattened on the bottom and with a curved dome top, raindrops are anything but the classic tear shape. The reason is due to their speed falling through the atmosphere.

raindrops void of forces are round they air friction distorts them as they fall so they are no longer void of forces

Raindrops would work on the flat earth like they do on the round earth. As does shot. Think about it.
Gravity ≠ surface tension.
FE denies gravity.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: three-dimensional-world on September 15, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
AND his point supports mine internal forces inside the object (gravity) pull everything inwards towards the center when there are no forces from outside the object making it a sphere making it the least surface area per volume because of this.he also expands my argument from liquids to all objects, solids just need more gravity to do.

I think you're probably just screwing around, but I have met people this stupid so perhaps not: the reasons a fluid becomes round are completely different than the gravitational explanation for why solid astronomical bodies are round. Your argument was refuted by me earlier, you applied the wrong physics in the wrong context. You still don't seem to be recognizing your mistake.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 15, 2011, 06:47:16 PM
the reasons a fluid becomes round are completely different than the gravitational explanation for why solid astronomical bodies are round.

oh so you agree with me thanks im done here lolz

and im afraid you are mistaken they are one in the same for liquids internal forces make it a sphere and for solids the same
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Ski on September 15, 2011, 06:58:53 PM
AND his point supports mine internal forces inside the object (gravity) pull everything inwards towards the center when there are no forces from outside the object making it a sphere making it the least surface area per volume because of this.he also expands my argument from liquids to all objects, solids just need more gravity to do.

As you've been told several times, "gravity" does not make a rain drop or lead shot round. Nor is a rain drop round. Nor is the earth's core free of outside forces. You are simply ranting.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Mr Pseudonym on September 16, 2011, 12:46:57 AM
and the earth is mostly liquid in the core and mantle
Have you personally verified this or are you just blindly taking someone's word for it?  This is not a how a zetecist would handle it.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on September 16, 2011, 02:56:31 AM
Small quantities of mercury become spheriods
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: NTheGreat on September 16, 2011, 05:33:46 AM
Having the flat Earth as a solid slab of rock has it's own problems. It doesn't explain volcanoes, it doesn't explain earthquakes, it doesn't explain geothermal energy and without surface tension what is there to hold together such a huge mass of fractured rock?

Having it as a molten mass with a thin solid crust also has it's own issue. The raindrop analogy works wonderfully here. In both cases you have mass of fluid with something applying a force to one side (in the case of a raindrop it's air resistance, in the case of the flat Earth it's the universal accelerator). Such a situation causes a section of the surface of the liquid to flatten, which seems to fit wonderfully with the FE model. This is until you realise that the flattened surface faces into the direction that the force is being applied from, which would mean that underside of the FE would be flat, with us living on the curved surface.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: PizzaPlanet on September 16, 2011, 07:07:21 AM
2. The earth is not a raindrop
The Earth also isn't a liquid.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Ski on September 16, 2011, 10:55:39 AM
Small quantities of mercury become spheriods

Again, surface tension. Not "gravity". The earth is not made of liquid mercury.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Tausami on September 16, 2011, 12:14:51 PM
The phenomenon which logicalskeptic is describing is surface tension, which is a layer that liquids form when exposed to gasses. Regardless of whether or not the Earth is mostly liquid, the liquid alleged is not directly exposed to air, so this is all irrelevant.

BTW, logicalskeptic, in case you can't tell, you're getting trolled bad.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 16, 2011, 01:22:56 PM
R u kidding no it's not have you seen water in space it's round oh wait you don't think that really happened
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Tausami on September 16, 2011, 02:06:58 PM
R u kidding no it's not have you seen water in space it's round oh wait you don't think that really happened

Actually, it's because of two reasons:

1) This water is most likely caught in the 'whirlpool', and thus is caught in a pseudo-gravityless environment.

2) As aether has qualities much like that of a gas, the liquid has surface tension.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: logicalskeptic on September 16, 2011, 02:17:15 PM
Aether really aether I can't even believe that people can be so willfully ignorant and illogical. I might as well say the earth is a cube and my little brother pushing it causes gravity and light just bends around the cube to make it look round. Special pleading and moving the goal post that's all this claim is. You start at a preconceived notion and use special pleading whenever it's proven wrong. You have no evidence and are illogical in your beliefs. You are no more valid than saying I have an invisible dragon who can't be detected by anything. This is complete and utter nonsense (non-science) is more like it. I hope all of you someday realize how ignorant you are being.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Tausami on September 16, 2011, 02:47:41 PM
You ask for a debate, and proceed to refuse to do that very thing. I'm finished with you.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on September 17, 2011, 03:01:18 AM
Aether really aether I can't even believe that people can be so willfully ignorant and illogical. I might as well say the earth is a cube and my little brother pushing it causes gravity and light just bends around the cube to make it look round. Special pleading and moving the goal post that's all this claim is. You start at a preconceived notion and use special pleading whenever it's proven wrong. You have no evidence and are illogical in your beliefs. You are no more valid than saying I have an invisible dragon who can't be detected by anything. This is complete and utter nonsense (non-science) is more like it. I hope all of you someday realize how ignorant you are being.

The worst thing is, after all, they have cube earth theory
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: trig on September 17, 2011, 06:56:22 AM
Falling water droplets don't form spheres. They become flattened disks.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/science_sky/91232

It never ceases to amaze me how Tom Bishop never reads his own quoted material. From the quote above,

Quote
In actual fact, even the hamburger-bun shape for raindrops, which is based on the observations of single drops steadily falling through a nearly non-turbulent airstream, is idealized, particularly for heavy rain events. If we could isolate single drops in a rainstorm and follow each from its formation until its final splashdown, we would see, not a tear drop, nor a steady spherical or bun-shaped mass, but an ever-changing, quasi-spherical shape throughout its lifetime.
(emphasis mine).
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 17, 2011, 07:12:55 AM
Falling water droplets don't form spheres. They become flattened disks.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/science_sky/91232

It never ceases to amaze me how Tom Bishop never reads his own quoted material. From the quote above,

Quote
In actual fact, even the hamburger-bun shape for raindrops, which is based on the observations of single drops steadily falling through a nearly non-turbulent airstream, is idealized, particularly for heavy rain events. If we could isolate single drops in a rainstorm and follow each from its formation until its final splashdown, we would see, not a tear drop, nor a steady spherical or bun-shaped mass, but an ever-changing, quasi-spherical shape throughout its lifetime.
(emphasis mine).

So what exactly is your point?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on September 17, 2011, 07:23:22 AM


It´s surface tension what keeps them spheroid, but gravity also helps. Also, if you look carefully, you will notice that raindrops do NOT have a unique shape. Most of times they are spheroid, but when they reach terminal speed they become hamburguer-like, which slows downs them, making them spheroid again.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: trig on September 17, 2011, 09:23:47 AM
Falling water droplets don't form spheres. They become flattened disks.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/science_sky/91232

It never ceases to amaze me how Tom Bishop never reads his own quoted material. From the quote above,

Quote
In actual fact, even the hamburger-bun shape for raindrops, which is based on the observations of single drops steadily falling through a nearly non-turbulent airstream, is idealized, particularly for heavy rain events. If we could isolate single drops in a rainstorm and follow each from its formation until its final splashdown, we would see, not a tear drop, nor a steady spherical or bun-shaped mass, but an ever-changing, quasi-spherical shape throughout its lifetime.
(emphasis mine).

So what exactly is your point?
It has become a hobby of mine finding just how inane and poor Tom Bishop's research is. Never mind surface tension is irrelevant for a whole planet (gravity is the real force here) but Tom Bishop tells us as a fact that falling water droplets are flat, and they are not. There is a huge difference between a specific droplet size of water falling in non-turbulent wind being a flattened sphere, and "water droplets become flattened disks".
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 17, 2011, 09:38:49 AM
Falling water droplets don't form spheres. They become flattened disks.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/science_sky/91232

It never ceases to amaze me how Tom Bishop never reads his own quoted material. From the quote above,

Quote
In actual fact, even the hamburger-bun shape for raindrops, which is based on the observations of single drops steadily falling through a nearly non-turbulent airstream, is idealized, particularly for heavy rain events. If we could isolate single drops in a rainstorm and follow each from its formation until its final splashdown, we would see, not a tear drop, nor a steady spherical or bun-shaped mass, but an ever-changing, quasi-spherical shape throughout its lifetime.
(emphasis mine).

So what exactly is your point?
It has become a hobby of mine finding just how inane and poor Tom Bishop's research is. Never mind surface tension is irrelevant for a whole planet (gravity is the real force here) but Tom Bishop tells us as a fact that falling water droplets are flat, and they are not. There is a huge difference between a specific droplet size of water falling in non-turbulent wind being a flattened sphere, and "water droplets become flattened disks".

It says right in the bit you quoted that they do, in fact, fall in the shape of a hamburger bun.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: markjo on September 17, 2011, 10:57:22 AM
It says right in the bit you quoted that they do, in fact, fall in the shape of a hamburger bun.

Yes, in an idealized environment.  Since when is the real world and idealized environment?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Ski on September 17, 2011, 11:20:47 AM
It's amazing to me that a particularly zealous, if ignorant, globularist states that the earth must be round like a rain drop or lead shot, and the only argument the rest of you wish to talk about is that Dr. Bishop's observation only rings true in an "idealized environment". If you spent half as much time grooming your fellow globularist, it would be time well spent. Perhaps you could remove a few nits from your own hide before applying the fine-tooth comb to Planists.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: thefireproofmatch on September 17, 2011, 01:39:50 PM
It's amazing to me that a particularly zealous, if ignorant, globularist states that the earth must be round like a rain drop or lead shot, and the only argument the rest of you wish to talk about is that Dr. Bishop's observation only rings true in an "idealized environment". If you spent half as much time grooming your fellow globularist, it would be time well spent. Perhaps you could remove a few nits from your own hide before applying the fine-tooth comb to Planists.
The only advantage flattists have over REr's is that they write pretty good disses, even if they add nothing to the discussion.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Thork on September 17, 2011, 02:54:37 PM
@Round Earthers
I too believe in a round earth...a round FLAT earth. As an obvious sign of their combined stunted mental growth malnourished by media driven dribble and ridiculous techno babble, the proponents of a spherical world have used a two dimensional verb to name themselves. Completely owned.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Around And About on September 17, 2011, 03:35:34 PM
Is "round" supposed to be the "two dimensional verb"? ???
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: trig on September 17, 2011, 06:40:25 PM
It says right in the bit you quoted that they do, in fact, fall in the shape of a hamburger bun.
Since when is a hamburger bun flat?

If the author was thinking of flat, he would have said "flat as a coin".
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 17, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
It says right in the bit you quoted that they do, in fact, fall in the shape of a hamburger bun.
Since when is a hamburger bun flat?

If the author was thinking of flat, he would have said "flat as a coin".

A hamburger bun is flat in the exact same sense that the Earth is flat.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: markjo on September 17, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
It says right in the bit you quoted that they do, in fact, fall in the shape of a hamburger bun.
Since when is a hamburger bun flat?

If the author was thinking of flat, he would have said "flat as a coin".

A hamburger bun is flat in the exact same sense that the Earth is flat.

So the earth is flat on the bottom and round on the top?  ???
(http://firstharvest.us/proimage/large/hamburger_bun200910150350.jpg)
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on September 19, 2011, 07:15:22 AM
Hemisferical Earth Theory  ;D
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: jbot on September 20, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
Oh my... Tom Bishop I thought you were joking.

I actually laughed when you said raindrops are flat.

Have you ever seen a science textbook? As a general rule, physics follows the path of least resistance. Just as a fun experiment, drop a CD from about 6 feet. Watch it fall. It's not going flat side down. It's going to turn because its easier to fall that way than resist the air all the way down. Also, observe water in a zero-gravity environment. It forms a sphere, because that's the most efficient shape.

Please explain HOW a disc can be formed.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 20, 2011, 02:23:34 AM
It says right in the bit you quoted that they do, in fact, fall in the shape of a hamburger bun.
Since when is a hamburger bun flat?

If the author was thinking of flat, he would have said "flat as a coin".

A hamburger bun is flat in the exact same sense that the Earth is flat.

So the earth is flat on the bottom and round on the top?  ???
(http://firstharvest.us/proimage/large/hamburger_bun200910150350.jpg)
Flat on the top and round on the bottom. We are on an upside-down hamburger bun.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on October 20, 2011, 06:49:17 AM
It says right in the bit you quoted that they do, in fact, fall in the shape of a hamburger bun.
Since when is a hamburger bun flat?

If the author was thinking of flat, he would have said "flat as a coin".


A hamburger bun is flat in the exact same sense that the Earth is flat.

So the earth is flat on the bottom and round on the top?  ???
(http://firstharvest.us/proimage/large/hamburger_bun200910150350.jpg)
Flat on the top and round on the bottom. We are on an upside-down hamburger bun.

Demons are RE´ers! That explains everything...
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 20, 2011, 07:00:30 AM
It says right in the bit you quoted that they do, in fact, fall in the shape of a hamburger bun.
Since when is a hamburger bun flat?

If the author was thinking of flat, he would have said "flat as a coin".


A hamburger bun is flat in the exact same sense that the Earth is flat.

So the earth is flat on the bottom and round on the top?  ???
(http://firstharvest.us/proimage/large/hamburger_bun200910150350.jpg)
Flat on the top and round on the bottom. We are on an upside-down hamburger bun.

Demons are RE´ers! That explains everything...
What bizarre fantasy theories you Round-Earthers concoct.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: NTheGreat on October 20, 2011, 09:26:16 AM
Flat on the top and round on the bottom. We are on an upside-down hamburger bun.

The question that springs to mind then is why an upside-down hamburger bun? What are the forces that contort it into this shape? If it's forces much the same as those that act on a raindrop, then there should be a force pushing down on the surface we live on to make it flat.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Zogg on October 20, 2011, 09:53:58 AM
Flat on the top and round on the bottom. We are on an upside-down hamburger bun.

Hmmm... Flat and round... That may be an approach for a compromise between different theories...

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6623/hybridearth.png)

Edit: ;)
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Nolhekh on October 20, 2011, 10:05:11 AM
argumentum ad temperantiam?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 20, 2011, 10:23:23 AM
Flat on the top and round on the bottom. We are on an upside-down hamburger bun.

The question that springs to mind then is why an upside-down hamburger bun? What are the forces that contort it into this shape? If it's forces much the same as those that act on a raindrop, then there should be a force pushing down on the surface we live on to make it flat.
Aether resistance.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 20, 2011, 10:24:56 AM
Flat on the top and round on the bottom. We are on an upside-down hamburger bun.

Hmmm... Flat and round... That may be an approach for a compromise between different theories...

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6623/hybridearth.png)


Another round earther with photoshop and paint skills. This has been noted.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: NTheGreat on October 20, 2011, 04:08:50 PM
Aether resistance.

Wouldn't we then have an unexplained resistive force every time we move around? Why don't we detect this?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 21, 2011, 02:49:00 AM
Aether resistance.

Wouldn't we then have an unexplained resistive force every time we move around? Why don't we detect this?
No. How does that follow?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Son of Orospu on October 21, 2011, 04:48:28 AM
Aether resistance.

Wouldn't we then have an unexplained resistive force every time we move around? Why don't we detect this?

Now air resistance has been disproved?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 21, 2011, 04:55:50 AM
Aether resistance.

Wouldn't we then have an unexplained resistive force every time we move around? Why don't we detect this?

Now air resistance has been disproved?
How has air resistance been disproved?  ???
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Son of Orospu on October 21, 2011, 05:01:08 AM
Aether resistance.

Wouldn't we then have an unexplained resistive force every time we move around? Why don't we detect this?

Now air resistance has been disproved?
How has air resistance been disproved?  ???

Aether resistance.

Wouldn't we then have an unexplained resistive force every time we move around? Why don't we detect this?

 ???
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: NTheGreat on October 21, 2011, 05:02:39 AM
No. How does that follow?

Well, a force that resists the motion of the flat Earth upwards would no doubt resist the motion of any objects on it's surface that this aether also comes into contact with. Why wouldn't it?

Now air resistance has been disproved?

I'm not sure I follow. Are you suggesting this aether resistance is just air resistance?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 21, 2011, 05:19:33 AM
Well, a force that resists the motion of the flat Earth upwards would no doubt resist the motion of any objects on it's surface that this aether also comes into contact with. Why wouldn't it?
The aether comes into contact with the air of the atmolayer. Aether is not air.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on October 21, 2011, 10:15:05 AM
Well, a force that resists the motion of the flat Earth upwards would no doubt resist the motion of any objects on it's surface that this aether also comes into contact with. Why wouldn't it?
The aether comes into contact with the air of the atmolayer. Aether is not air.
It´s not because, well, it dooes not exit. Also, it´s incompatible by definition with the relativity
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 21, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
Well, a force that resists the motion of the flat Earth upwards would no doubt resist the motion of any objects on it's surface that this aether also comes into contact with. Why wouldn't it?
The aether comes into contact with the air of the atmolayer. Aether is not air.
It´s not because, well, it dooes not exit. Also, it´s incompatible by definition with the relativity
ORLY?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on October 21, 2011, 10:49:39 AM
Yep. The Lorenz equation (?) was made for aetherical measures (it states the compresion of the aether being pushed on near-light speeds) , and then, with the substitution of aether with space, it just explains the effects of near light speeds on bodies. As it can only be used to ONE of those things, and it has been proved, you must choose. Aether, or Real Life TM
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 21, 2011, 11:00:22 AM
Yep. The Lorenz equation (?) was made for aetherical measures (it states the compresion of the aether being pushed on near-light speeds) , and then, with the substitution of aether with space, it just explains the effects of near light speeds on bodies. As it can only be used to ONE of those things, and it has been proved, you must choose. Aether, or Real Life TM
You must be referring to the Lorentz ether theory.
Quote from: Wikipedia
What is now often called Lorentz Ether theory ("LET") has its roots in Hendrik Lorentz's "Theory of electrons", which was the final point in the development of the classical aether theories at the end of the 19th and at the beginning of the 20th century.
Lorentz's initial theory created in 1892 and 1895 was based on a completely motionless aether. It explained the failure of the negative aether drift experiments to first order in v/c by introducing an auxiliary variable called "local time" for connecting systems at rest and in motion in the aether. In addition, the negative result of the Michelson-Morley experiment led to the introduction of the hypothesis of length contraction in 1892. However, other experiments also produced negative results and (guided by Henri Poincaré's principle of relativity) Lorentz tried in 1899 and 1904 to expand his theory to all orders in v/c by introducing the Lorentz transformation. In addition, he assumed that also non-electromagnetic forces (if they exist) transform like electric forces. However, Lorentz's expression for charge density and current were incorrect, so his theory did not fully exclude the possibility of detecting the aether. Eventually, it was Henri Poincaré who in 1905 corrected the errors in Lorentz's paper and actually incorporated non-electromagnetic forces (incl. Gravitation) within the theory, which he called "The New Mechanics". Many aspects of Lorentz's theory were incorporated into special relativity (SR) with the works of Albert Einstein and Hermann Minkowski.
Even Wikipedia seems to think this is BS. Why should this be taken as evidence?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on October 21, 2011, 11:05:24 AM
WTF means BS?
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 21, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
WTF means BS?
Use Urban Dictionary.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Conker on October 21, 2011, 12:15:56 PM
It really hurts my religion to use a trollish dictionary.
Title: Re: Someone debate me
Post by: Lord Xenu on October 21, 2011, 12:22:31 PM
It really hurts my religion to use a trollish dictionary.
Urban Dictionary is not for trolls. It is a reliable source for all kinds of slang and the names of bizarre sexual practices.