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Title: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on January 20, 2011, 09:54:20 AM
Probably already a thread somewhere buried deep in here about the new Batman, but I don't care to look for it.  I read that Anne Hathaway was cast for Selina Kyle (not necessarily going to be Catwoman yet, they seem to have deliberately not mentioned the moniker; just Selina Kyle), and some scrawny faggot as Bane.  Nolan, you really are not making me feel hopeful.  But then again, I thought it was a joke (HAW HAW) that Ledger was cast for Joker, so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on January 20, 2011, 09:57:48 AM
She's deinitely cast as catwoman.
So catwoman and Bane. I can't imagine how they're going to pull that off. I guess a muscle bound drug addict didn't have enough personality to be the sole villain.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on January 20, 2011, 10:00:49 AM
But Bane was scrawny until he took his magic muscle drug. (as far as I can remember)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 20, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
But Bane was scrawny until he took his magic muscle drug.

QFT. Casting someone who doesn't have Bane's physique is a no-brainer, since he's supposed to be a 'roid-raging maniac, akin to a drug-fuelled Hulk.

(http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/bane.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on January 20, 2011, 10:10:42 AM
I just really hope that he doesn't end up being a stupid shit like the one in the old batman movie.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on January 20, 2011, 10:11:00 AM
I think after the last movie, this is bound to be a disappointing film.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on January 20, 2011, 10:27:08 AM
Maybe not disappointing, but possibly not as good as TDN.  Nolan seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders and is aware exactly what he's up against (his own work, and billions of stupid rabid fans of it)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 20, 2011, 11:05:06 AM
Maybe not disappointing, but possibly not as good as TDN.  Nolan seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders and is aware exactly what he's up against (his own work, and billions of stupid rabid fans of it)

TDN?

That said, I agree with you. I try to make it a habit never to judge a sequel on its predecessor, because that will only do one of two things to me. If it's better, that takes away from the first film/book/series/video game/generation of edible underpants. If it's worse, I'm inevitably disappointed, because I expected something en par with the first. And before anyone mentions the golden middle where both of them are equally awesome/dramatic/action-packed/delicious, when comparing two similar products, when did that last happen to you?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on January 20, 2011, 12:04:08 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but them hiring a small Bane could be what saves this movie. Cast him as a demented tweeker perhaps. Muscle bound Bane seems to be lacking any personality, and a villain with no depth does not bode well for a comic book movie. If all goes well he won't get dosed with the steroids himself except at certain moments in the movie, or perhaps he'll pull a scarecrow and only start using them during the final fight.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on January 20, 2011, 12:55:15 PM
And before anyone mentions the golden middle where both of them are equally awesome/dramatic/action-packed/delicious, when comparing two similar products, when did that last happen to you?

Lord of the Rings trilogy?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 20, 2011, 01:04:34 PM
I wouldn't know, I never got through the first book. It's a good story and it has a rich background with likeable, diverse characters, but it's written in a way that just doesn't appeal to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong but them hiring a small Bane could be what saves this movie. Cast him as a demented tweeker perhaps. Muscle bound Bane seems to be lacking any personality, and a villain with no depth does not bode well for a comic book movie. If all goes well he won't get dosed with the steroids himself except at certain moments in the movie, or perhaps he'll pull a scarecrow and only start using them during the final fight.

I honestly think that the Scarecrow could carry an entire Batman movie, though. I forget if they killed him off or not in Begins.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on January 20, 2011, 01:13:43 PM
He survived begins and makes an appearance in the dark knight.

The lord of the rings trilogy is good, but it can drag. The action is rather boring, but it's the overall plot that drives you, and the characters give the book life.

I believe the one thing that will always make movies less appealing to me than books is the actor's range. A good author can always tell you exactly what is going on in a character's head, but it takes an amazing writer, and an equally good actor to pull it off in a movie.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 20, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
True. Then again, I've become sort of used to the "quick fix" I get out of a movie as opposed to a book. It's become rather hard to stay focused while reading for me.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 20, 2011, 01:32:41 PM
Damn it, people, lrn2Batman, and lrn2Bane.

But Bane was scrawny until he took his magic muscle drug.

QFT. Casting someone who doesn't have Bane's physique is a no-brainer, since he's supposed to be a 'roid-raging maniac, akin to a drug-fuelled Hulk.

First of all, no, Bane was not scrawny before he took Venom.  He was actually just as physically capable as Batman.  The Venom simply gave him an edge by boosting his strength to abnormal levels.

Second of all, even if it were true, that still doesn't make the case for having a wimp play Bane.  He would still be muscular after taking the Venom, wouldn't he?

Also, Tom Hardy is largely unknown to American audiences.  After excellent performances from Liam Neeson and Heath Ledger, it doesn't seem right that the grand finale is a relative nobody.  It's like they're taking a gamble with this guy.

Correct me if I'm wrong but them hiring a small Bane could be what saves this movie. Cast him as a demented tweeker perhaps. Muscle bound Bane seems to be lacking any personality, and a villain with no depth does not bode well for a comic book movie. If all goes well he won't get dosed with the steroids himself except at certain moments in the movie, or perhaps he'll pull a scarecrow and only start using them during the final fight.

What's the point of selecting a certain villain if you just change everything about them?  There are plenty of "demented tweekers" among the Batman villains, but Bane is not one of them.  You're saying he lacks any personality, what are you basing that on?  Batman and Robin?  Bane was never supposed to be a big dumb lunkhead who just roars and smashes shit up.  But neither was he supposed to be anything similar to a guy like this:

(http://www.fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/tom-hardy.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on January 20, 2011, 01:37:45 PM
And you really think that guy won't go through a year long bootcamp workout schedule? I said the same thing about Heath ledger before the movie came out. The joker was never meant to be how heath ledger played him yet who wasn't pleasantly surprised? If anything you should at least give his casting choices a chance before commenting.

I do have one agreement with you, I have hated his choice of batman for a long time, he has a rather snotty look about him at all times, and he just doesn't have the voice for him either.

As for your question, I see all batman characters as either their comic versions of themselves or as "batman the animated series" circa 1990's.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 20, 2011, 02:05:07 PM
Saddam, I never said Bane was scrawny. What I meant was that Bane goes to the physical peak of human potential, or even beyond it, when he uses Venom.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 20, 2011, 02:33:44 PM
And you really think that guy won't go through a year long bootcamp workout schedule?

He doesn't look like the type.  But then again, neither did Christian Bale, so point taken.

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I said the same thing about Heath ledger before the movie came out.

What same thing?  Ledger was a well-known and critically-acclaimed actor before The Dark Knight, and his character wasn't supposed to be physically imposing, so I don't think his physique was ever a problem.

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The joker was never meant to be how heath ledger played him

It wasn't?

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If anything you should at least give his casting choices a chance before commenting.

A chance to what?  I'm not reviewing the movie here.  This is all the information we're going to be getting for the next several months.  I shouldn't have an opinion until then?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 20, 2011, 02:58:35 PM
An opinion is fine. An educated opinion is better.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on January 20, 2011, 03:29:50 PM
Tom Hardy was in 'Bronson' which was apparently a fantastic film and his character was a pretty muscular psychopath.

(http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tom_hardy-bronson.jpg)

In fact, he seems to be quite a prolific British actor.

Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on January 20, 2011, 03:35:29 PM
So saddam, do you admit you judged too early? I say that dude pretty much exemplifies muscle bound badass that could break batman's back.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 20, 2011, 03:40:30 PM
I was just looking that up myself.  DAMN YOU AND YOUR MISLEADING ASSUMPTIONS, NOMAD!
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 20, 2011, 03:43:45 PM
lol. Also, grats on 20k posts. You whore.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on January 20, 2011, 04:13:43 PM
Nolan did it right twice, I trust him to do it right a third time.

I was also talking about the LotR movie trilogy :)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on January 20, 2011, 04:46:29 PM
Nolan did it right twice, I trust him to do it right a third time.

I was also talking about the LotR movie trilogy :)

The movie trilogy was alright. It just seemed to drag sometimes.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Eddy Baby on January 20, 2011, 07:34:35 PM
(http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tom_hardy-bronson.jpg)

Famed for his workout routines including several thousand pressups a day. Practised during solitary confinement.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on January 20, 2011, 10:23:01 PM
I was just looking that up myself.  DAMN YOU AND YOUR MISLEADING ASSUMPTIONS, NOMAD!

WELL HE LOOKED WIMPY IN THE MYSPACE ARTICLE I READ
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on January 21, 2011, 01:18:44 AM
Nolan did it right twice, I trust him to do it right a third time.

I was also talking about the LotR movie trilogy :)

The movie trilogy was alright. It just seemed to drag sometimes.

I watched the first film on the plane and have never been so bored. I sat through about half to 3/4s of an hour of it while they were walking through a wood, I woke up later, they were still walking through a wood, fell asleep again and woke up to see them walking through a mountainous wood. I thought it was a home-movie of my Duke of Edinburgh expedition...
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on January 21, 2011, 04:58:30 AM
Maybe not disappointing, but possibly not as good as TDN.  Nolan seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders and is aware exactly what he's up against (his own work, and billions of stupid rabid fans of it)

TDN?

That said, I agree with you. I try to make it a habit never to judge a sequel on its predecessor, because that will only do one of two things to me. If it's better, that takes away from the first film/book/series/video game/generation of edible underpants. If it's worse, I'm inevitably disappointed, because I expected something en par with the first. And before anyone mentions the golden middle where both of them are equally awesome/dramatic/action-packed/delicious, when comparing two similar products, when did that last happen to you?

Interesting philosophy....how would you rate Matrix 3 based on that?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Eddy Baby on January 21, 2011, 05:02:07 AM
It's a shitty film in general, even if you don't compare it to anything.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 21, 2011, 05:14:16 AM
It's a shitty film in general, even if you don't compare it to anything.

This is the kind of conclusion I would come to. However, as I am a massive fan of the franchise, I didn't think it was shit. It was just mediocre.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on January 21, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
I liked all three Matrices.  I was thoroughly entertained by them, and that's the point.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on January 21, 2011, 02:46:11 PM
I agree. Also, they spurred my imagination, which is more than I could say about a lot of films.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Eddy Baby on January 21, 2011, 07:41:23 PM
The third matrix is a massive lump of trying-to-make-sense.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on January 21, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
I am a big fan of the Matrix trilogy, perhaps because it was completely original. Albeit I had two minor complaints: Neo's psychic powers outside the matrix, and all the slightly less annoying the religious themes.

As for the Dark Knight Rises, one thing that concerns me is maintaining that strong link with reality. The completed films are so strong because the characters have all been plausible/realistic. Other characters are supremely cartoony and stretch the suspension of disbelief. For instance, I would have been horrified if Mr. Freeze was scheduled to show up again with his "freeze ray". Bane seems like he has a lot of potential to cross that line, and it concerns me.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on January 21, 2011, 08:43:22 PM
I am a big fan of the Matrix trilogy, perhaps because it was completely original. Albeit I had two minor complaints: Neo's psychic powers outside the matrix, and all the slightly less annoying the religious themes.

As for the Dark Knight Rises, one thing that concerns me is maintaining that strong link with reality. The completed films are so strong because the characters have all been plausible/realistic. Other characters are supremely cartoony and stretch the suspension of disbelief. For instance, I would have been horrified if Mr. Freeze was scheduled to show up again with his "freeze ray". Bane seems like he has a lot of potential to cross that line, and it concerns me.

Why do you think Bane will cross the line? I thought he would be one of the more believable villains.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on January 21, 2011, 08:52:08 PM
Why do you think Bane will cross the line? I thought he would be one of the more believable villains.
I said I think he has a lot of potential to cross that line into being completely unbelievable. I'm not saying that his character can't be handled right. They just need a decent explanation and impose certain limits to his abilities.

I think if Ras Al Ghul was introduced in combination with his lazarus chemical pits of eternal youth, I would have been pissed.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: optimisticcynic on January 21, 2011, 08:53:44 PM
I am a big fan of the Matrix trilogy, perhaps because it was completely original. Albeit I had two minor complaints: Neo's psychic powers outside the matrix, and all the slightly less annoying the religious themes.

As for the Dark Knight Rises, one thing that concerns me is maintaining that strong link with reality. The completed films are so strong because the characters have all been plausible/realistic. Other characters are supremely cartoony and stretch the suspension of disbelief. For instance, I would have been horrified if Mr. Freeze was scheduled to show up again with his "freeze ray". Bane seems like he has a lot of potential to cross that line, and it concerns me.

Why do you think Bane will cross the line? I thought he would be one of the more believable villains.
eh. anything effecting biology in such a extreme manner seems slightly unrealistic.
he has the power
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on January 21, 2011, 08:55:12 PM
Actually I think Freeze could work too.  I read the "Snow" series, that was fairly recent, and it was pretty good and had a believable story.

I mean, sure it would still kind of push the line of reality but it's still just a fuckin' movie.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on January 21, 2011, 09:01:05 PM
eh. anything effecting biology in such a extreme manner seems slightly unrealistic.
he has the power
Precisely.

Actually I think Freeze could work too.  I read the "Snow" series, that was fairly recent, and it was pretty good and had a believable story.

I mean, sure it would still kind of push the line of reality but it's still just a fuckin' movie.
Hmm. I consider the hallucinogenic flowers, and two-face to be pushing the line.
...Freeze is centered around his weapon, and his weapon completely disobeys the laws of physics. I'm not saying that Freeze can't be a respectable character, just that I can't think of a way for him to mesh well in the set Batman movie reality.

I should really start reading the batman comics though.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on January 23, 2011, 12:44:10 PM
The first movie had a giant gun that magically turned all the water in the city into vapor yet didn't kill people.

Did no one notice that? I do admit the villain's have been very plausible, but a freeze ray makes just as much sense as that machine.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 23, 2011, 01:23:32 PM
The first movie had a giant gun that magically turned all the water in the city into vapor yet didn't kill people.

Did no one notice that? I do admit the villain's have been very plausible, but a freeze ray makes just as much sense as that machine.

It didn't automatically target all the water in any given city, you had to aim it at a specific water source.  Also, it wasn't being carried around and used casually like a day-to-day weapon.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on January 26, 2011, 08:36:56 PM
The first movie had a giant gun that magically turned all the water in the city into vapor yet didn't kill people.

Did no one notice that? I do admit the villain's have been very plausible, but a freeze ray makes just as much sense as that machine.

It didn't automatically target all the water in any given city, you had to aim it at a specific water source.  Also, it wasn't being carried around and used casually like a day-to-day weapon.

It sent out a pulse that affected an entire city yet left the water in people alone.

I'm sorry, I didn't know microwaves could tell the difference between people water and water in pipes. Good thing I was wrong.

You do have to admit it is a ridiculous idea.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on January 26, 2011, 08:57:09 PM
It sent out a pulse that affected an entire city yet left the water in people alone.
I believe a monorail carried it around, and it was directed at underwater pipelines beneath the train.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on January 26, 2011, 09:22:43 PM
It sent out a pulse that affected an entire city yet left the water in people alone.
I believe a monorail carried it around, and it was directed at underwater pipelines beneath the train.

The train was above the city on a rail system. Microwaves aren't really known for penetrating metal (that mesh screen you can see your food through is all that is keeping you away from horrible cancers) truthfully the machine is just a ridiculous idea. Anyone who knows how much electricity a microwave uses, and has seen how long it take to even get a few cups of water up to the boiling point would see this machine as impossible and simply a way to move the plot along.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on January 26, 2011, 09:43:08 PM
It sent out a pulse that affected an entire city yet left the water in people alone.
I believe a monorail carried it around, and it was directed at underwater pipelines beneath the train.

The train was above the city on a rail system. Microwaves aren't really known for penetrating metal (that mesh screen you can see your food through is all that is keeping you away from horrible cancers) truthfully the machine is just a ridiculous idea. Anyone who knows how much electricity a microwave uses, and has seen how long it take to even get a few cups of water up to the boiling point would see this machine as impossible and simply a way to move the plot along.

I wasn't commenting on the functionality of the microwave, but its concentrated direction. (I didn't recall seeing humans standing beneath the train) I fully acknowledge the large leaps that were made in respect to its functionality.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 26, 2011, 12:37:03 PM
(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ymoviesblog__19/ymoviesblog-530301738-1305913591.jpg?ym3zDDFDcMNWmAeX)

Yes, that is an official picture.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on May 26, 2011, 01:28:42 PM
So bane.

But who else?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: markjo on May 26, 2011, 03:37:14 PM
lrn2imdb  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on May 26, 2011, 06:12:20 PM
lrn2imdb  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/

Didn't know they had it out.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on May 26, 2011, 08:28:07 PM
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The joker was never meant to be how heath ledger played him
It wasn't?

Dunno about other people, but this is the joker I think of as the default/classic joker:

(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters4/joker-animated.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on May 26, 2011, 08:56:40 PM
The cartoon joker was way too cartoony.  Read the comics.  Specifically Killing Joke.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on May 26, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
The cartoon joker was way too cartoony.  Read the comics.  Specifically Killing Joke.
I read killing joke simply because I quickly learned it was a premise in Arkham Asylum. I haven't read too many others though, and I saw nearly episode of Batman:TAS on TV as a kid.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 26, 2011, 09:15:05 PM
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The joker was never meant to be how heath ledger played him
It wasn't?

Dunno about other people, but this is the joker I think of as the default/classic joker:

(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters4/joker-animated.jpg)

(http://i53.tinypic.com/5lsbr7.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ocius on May 26, 2011, 09:19:46 PM
(http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tom_hardy-bronson.jpg)

Famed for his workout routines including several thousand pressups a day. Practised during solitary confinement.

That guy is actually pretty fat.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on May 27, 2011, 03:27:08 AM
Being pudgy as well as muscular in no way detracts from being muscular. Behold, the strongest man in the world 2009 and 2010:
(http://www.worldsmostunique.com/images/images/zydrunas-savickas-worlds-strongest-man_jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on May 29, 2011, 12:39:19 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/5lsbr7.jpg)
Needs a Michael Jackson nose.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 29, 2011, 12:43:02 PM
I really do picture comic book version of the Joker more than anything else when he's mentioned (particularly the one from Killing Joke), but I grew up with the Batman show, so I can't help but make that connection above, say, Jack Nicholson or the animated series.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on May 29, 2011, 12:51:39 PM
I really do picture comic book version of the Joker more than anything else when he's mentioned (particularly the one from Killing Joke), but I grew up with the Batman show, so I can't help but make that connection above, say, Jack Nicholson or the animated series.

Same here.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: CheesusCrust on May 29, 2011, 01:08:14 PM
I really do picture comic book version of the Joker more than anything else when he's mentioned (particularly the one from Killing Joke), but I grew up with the Batman show, so I can't help but make that connection above, say, Jack Nicholson or the animated series.

Same here.

Heath Ledger is far more mesmerising to watch than the cartoony one that Jack Nicholson portrays.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on May 29, 2011, 06:40:40 PM
Heath Ledger's joker is just much more believable in movie format.
But I preferred Michael Keaton over Christian Bale.

As for cartoons, the portrayal of the joker was superior in the Batman Beyond movie than Batman the Animated Series. If you haven't seen the Batman Beyond Movie, but you did watch the original Batman series occasionally, I would recommend it.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on May 29, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
The Batman Beyond movie was actually pretty good.  That show itself was fairly underrated as well.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on May 31, 2011, 10:11:33 AM
Michael Keaton was great, he just didn't have the physique. Bale has the physique, but his batman voice is annoying.

Also: 
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: markjo on May 31, 2011, 10:52:46 AM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/5lsbr7.jpg)

Fun fact:  Cesar Romero refused to shave off his mustache to play the role of the Joker, so they just covered it up with white makeup.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 31, 2011, 11:00:06 AM
Michael Keaton was great, he just didn't have the physique. Bale has the physique, but his batman voice is annoying.

Also:  


A lot of people seem to hate Bale's Batman voice, but I actually like it. I think Bale/Nolan have done a great job of making 'Bruce Wayne' as much of an act as Batman, with the real 'him' lying somewhere inbetween these two dramatic, overblown personas.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 31, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
I think where Bale is really good is in how he portrays Bruce Wayne.  He plays the spoiled playboy part perfectly, better than anyone else who's done it.  Of course, Nolan writes him better than anybody else has too.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 31, 2011, 04:51:45 PM
I think where Bale is really good is in how he portrays Bruce Wayne.  He plays the spoiled playboy part perfectly, better than anyone else who's done it.  Of course, Nolan writes him better than anybody else has too.

That might be because he's the first Batman to be given an actual origin story, rather than just jumping right into the middle of his life where he's already a crime-fighter.  Bale's portrayal was the first one where I could look at him and automatically think "That's Bruce Wayne" instead of just "That's Batman not wearing his outfit".  And you're also right about his public persona.  All of the other portrayals have shown Wayne to be a strong and respected community and business leader, and that's just not faithful to the comics.  Wayne deliberately acts like a weak character in public so that no one will suspect him of being a strong person like Batman.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: optimisticcynic on June 06, 2011, 11:22:39 PM
The Batman Beyond movie was actually pretty good.  That show itself was fairly underrated as well.
this. I loved the show though I thought that it each episode felt a little rushed, being only 1/2 hour. the one with mr freeze especially.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on June 07, 2011, 02:25:33 AM
Wayne deliberately acts like a weak character in public so that no one will suspect him of being a strong person like Batman.

It's funny, because this is a major part of Superman's disguise, but people always disregard it because of the glasses.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on June 07, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
Wayne deliberately acts like a weak character in public so that no one will suspect him of being a strong person like Batman.

It's funny, because this is a major part of Superman's disguise, but people always disregard it because of the glasses.

In fairness, at least Batman covers half his face. Clark Kent doesn't even change his hair.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on June 07, 2011, 09:36:22 AM
He does in Superman: The Animated series. Also, the glasses can actually work wonders if they're thick enough. And you have the bullshit excuse with the subconscious Kryptonian hypnosis.

Edit: I think it was revealed in Superman #330.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on June 07, 2011, 12:48:14 PM
And a pair of glasses is going to hide this kind of frame, is it? What's this mild-mannered reporter's story, that he bench-presses a car?

(http://filmonic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/yh1474msuperman.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on June 07, 2011, 01:02:21 PM
Precise muscle control. He can suck it in. :P Nah, but there's a reason he always wears a suit, isn't there? And there are plenty of buff people in the world.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on June 07, 2011, 01:06:28 PM
Buff? His neck is the size of a tree! You'd think somebody would go "oh, big muscles, dark hair, distinctively chiselled jawline... Clarke, is there something you're not telling us?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on June 07, 2011, 01:10:52 PM
Which is why they had his super-hypnosis back in the golden age. I just chalk it up to suspension of disbelief. He plays the mild-mannered reporter to everyone he knows, so it's no wonder there's a mental disconnect between seeing that, as you say, "His neck is the size of a tree," and assuming he's a guy who stares into the cold eye-beams of Darkseid and spits in his face. Also, he's a Kansas lad from a small farming community and only came to the city in his late twenties, it's no wonder that he'd be bulky if he's been working on a farm for most of his early life.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on June 07, 2011, 01:20:09 PM
Your biggest problem with a dude who can fly through space and lift entire buildings is his disguise?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on June 07, 2011, 01:29:20 PM
Your biggest problem with a dude who can fly through space and lift entire buildings is his disguise?

No, I don't really like Superman, and that's just one bugbear.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on June 07, 2011, 01:31:05 PM
Your biggest problem with a dude who can fly through space and lift entire buildings is his disguise?

Even with the wilful suspension of disbelief, that is still a legitimate question. I can believe, for example, that Magneto has a supernatural mutation that grants him the power to control magnetic substances and create magnetic fields, because it lets the story keep going. However, that's not the same thing as saying he's just magical and can do whatever the hell he wants. For example, in the Ultimatum event he uses his powers to reverse the polarity of the Earth. I'm fine with that, and it is plausible that Earth's magnetic field could change due to an outside force, but the effects of this shift is a shift in the axial poles, rapid climate change and tidal waves, none of which are significantly affected by magnetism. Later in the same event, he somehow cauterizes a wound using his powers. Both of these examples are bullshit, because Magneto is stated to only have the power of control of magnetism. Likewise, we can accept that the last son of Krypton can shatter skyscrapers and shoot lasers from his eyes, but if no explanation is given for his arguably poor disguise, it's equally valid to call bullshit on that.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on June 07, 2011, 04:12:34 PM
Your biggest problem with a dude who can fly through space and lift entire buildings is his disguise?

Even with the wilful suspension of disbelief, that is still a legitimate question. I can believe, for example, that Magneto has a supernatural mutation that grants him the power to control magnetic substances and create magnetic fields, because it lets the story keep going. However, that's not the same thing as saying he's just magical and can do whatever the hell he wants. For example, in the Ultimatum event he uses his powers to reverse the polarity of the Earth. I'm fine with that, and it is plausible that Earth's magnetic field could change due to an outside force, but the effects of this shift is a shift in the axial poles, rapid climate change and tidal waves, none of which are significantly affected by magnetism. Later in the same event, he somehow cauterizes a wound using his powers. Both of these examples are bullshit, because Magneto is stated to only have the power of control of magnetism. Likewise, we can accept that the last son of Krypton can shatter skyscrapers and shoot lasers from his eyes, but if no explanation is given for his arguably poor disguise, it's equally valid to call bullshit on that.

Y'all need to read the comics.

His glasses are not ordinary glasses.  The lenses are made from his rocket ship, which has a slightly hypnotic effect allowing him to fool everyone he see's.
At one point he defeats someone by having all hypnotic signals removed from the Earth.  This includes his glasses.  He actually walks into work and everyone says "Superman?  Why are you dressed as Clark?"
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: markjo on June 07, 2011, 04:21:25 PM
Later in the same event, he somehow cauterizes a wound using his powers.

lrn2induction heating
http://www.inductionatmospheres.com/induction_heating.html?gclid=CNKPj6j3pKkCFUaK4AodTHZntg
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 07, 2011, 04:25:09 PM
Your biggest problem with a dude who can fly through space and lift entire buildings is his disguise?

Even with the wilful suspension of disbelief, that is still a legitimate question. I can believe, for example, that Magneto has a supernatural mutation that grants him the power to control magnetic substances and create magnetic fields, because it lets the story keep going. However, that's not the same thing as saying he's just magical and can do whatever the hell he wants. For example, in the Ultimatum event he uses his powers to reverse the polarity of the Earth. I'm fine with that, and it is plausible that Earth's magnetic field could change due to an outside force, but the effects of this shift is a shift in the axial poles, rapid climate change and tidal waves, none of which are significantly affected by magnetism. Later in the same event, he somehow cauterizes a wound using his powers. Both of these examples are bullshit, because Magneto is stated to only have the power of control of magnetism. Likewise, we can accept that the last son of Krypton can shatter skyscrapers and shoot lasers from his eyes, but if no explanation is given for his arguably poor disguise, it's equally valid to call bullshit on that.

Y'all need to read the comics.

His glasses are not ordinary glasses.  The lenses are made from his rocket ship, which has a slightly hypnotic effect allowing him to fool everyone he see's.
At one point he defeats someone by having all hypnotic signals removed from the Earth.  This includes his glasses.  He actually walks into work and everyone says "Superman?  Why are you dressed as Clark?"

That's kinda silly.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on June 07, 2011, 04:30:10 PM
Your biggest problem with a dude who can fly through space and lift entire buildings is his disguise?

Even with the wilful suspension of disbelief, that is still a legitimate question. I can believe, for example, that Magneto has a supernatural mutation that grants him the power to control magnetic substances and create magnetic fields, because it lets the story keep going. However, that's not the same thing as saying he's just magical and can do whatever the hell he wants. For example, in the Ultimatum event he uses his powers to reverse the polarity of the Earth. I'm fine with that, and it is plausible that Earth's magnetic field could change due to an outside force, but the effects of this shift is a shift in the axial poles, rapid climate change and tidal waves, none of which are significantly affected by magnetism. Later in the same event, he somehow cauterizes a wound using his powers. Both of these examples are bullshit, because Magneto is stated to only have the power of control of magnetism. Likewise, we can accept that the last son of Krypton can shatter skyscrapers and shoot lasers from his eyes, but if no explanation is given for his arguably poor disguise, it's equally valid to call bullshit on that.

Y'all need to read the comics.

His glasses are not ordinary glasses.  The lenses are made from his rocket ship, which has a slightly hypnotic effect allowing him to fool everyone he see's.
At one point he defeats someone by having all hypnotic signals removed from the Earth.  This includes his glasses.  He actually walks into work and everyone says "Superman?  Why are you dressed as Clark?"

That's kinda silly.
Indeed it is.  But it's Canon.  At least at one point.  Here's the wiki entry on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Kent#Secret_identity_security
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on June 07, 2011, 10:37:51 PM
Later in the same event, he somehow cauterizes a wound using his powers.

lrn2induction heating
http://www.inductionatmospheres.com/induction_heating.html?gclid=CNKPj6j3pKkCFUaK4AodTHZntg

Induction heating flesh? Really? I've actually tried putting my hand on an active induction plate. Nothing happened.

Your biggest problem with a dude who can fly through space and lift entire buildings is his disguise?

Even with the wilful suspension of disbelief, that is still a legitimate question. I can believe, for example, that Magneto has a supernatural mutation that grants him the power to control magnetic substances and create magnetic fields, because it lets the story keep going. However, that's not the same thing as saying he's just magical and can do whatever the hell he wants. For example, in the Ultimatum event he uses his powers to reverse the polarity of the Earth. I'm fine with that, and it is plausible that Earth's magnetic field could change due to an outside force, but the effects of this shift is a shift in the axial poles, rapid climate change and tidal waves, none of which are significantly affected by magnetism. Later in the same event, he somehow cauterizes a wound using his powers. Both of these examples are bullshit, because Magneto is stated to only have the power of control of magnetism. Likewise, we can accept that the last son of Krypton can shatter skyscrapers and shoot lasers from his eyes, but if no explanation is given for his arguably poor disguise, it's equally valid to call bullshit on that.

Y'all need to read the comics.

His glasses are not ordinary glasses.  The lenses are made from his rocket ship, which has a slightly hypnotic effect allowing him to fool everyone he see's.
At one point he defeats someone by having all hypnotic signals removed from the Earth.  This includes his glasses.  He actually walks into work and everyone says "Superman?  Why are you dressed as Clark?"

Uh...

And you have the bullshit excuse with the subconscious Kryptonian hypnosis. [...] I think it was revealed in Superman #330.
[...][They] had his super-hypnosis back in the golden age.


I kinda did. At least I read up. They removed this power after a while, though. I don't know what the excuse for it is now.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on July 24, 2011, 03:33:02 PM
Resurrect thread!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight_rises/trailers/11150457
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on July 24, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
Resurrect thread!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight_rises/trailers/11150457

What the hell kind of a trailer is that?  They showed very little of the actual movie.  Bleh.  Still, Bane looked pretty creepy.  And who was that guy in the hospital bed?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Particle Person on July 24, 2011, 05:39:47 PM
Resurrect thread!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight_rises/trailers/11150457

What the hell kind of a trailer is that?  They showed very little of the actual movie.  Bleh.  Still, Bane looked pretty creepy.  And who was that guy in the hospital bed?

Commissioner Gordon.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on July 24, 2011, 05:50:52 PM
I think it's just a clip, not the trailer. I could be wrong.

Next year needs to come faster!
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: gotham on July 24, 2011, 06:06:17 PM
I think it is just a clip and must be quite new.  They played it before the Harry Potter movie and I about jumped out of my seat.  The week before in the same theater they didn't play it.

Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Mugthulhu on July 24, 2011, 11:39:17 PM
It's more like a teaser than a trailer.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Particle Person on July 25, 2011, 12:57:11 AM
It's more like a teaser than a trailer.

Hmm, what are those called again?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on July 26, 2011, 05:28:38 PM
I'm excited.  That didn't look like Gary Oldman in the bed, though.  Is he still playing Gordon?  Could have just been the shitty resolution and that half his face was obscured.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Mugthulhu on July 27, 2011, 06:00:33 AM
Gary Oldman looks like a complete different person when not wearing glasses, so it could likely be him.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on July 27, 2011, 10:46:48 AM
What he was saying sounds a bit too cryptic for Gordon, though.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on July 28, 2011, 08:06:14 AM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/5lsbr7.jpg)

Fun fact:  Cesar Romero refused to shave off his mustache to play the role of the Joker, so they just covered it up with white makeup.
...I will never be able to unsee that moustache now.  HOW DID I NOT NOTICE IT
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on July 28, 2011, 08:23:15 AM
It's more like an announcement trailer than a teaser trailer, they are still filming this.  Oh and yes that is Gary Oldman.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on July 28, 2011, 04:26:05 PM
$100 says Bane breaks Batman's back in the movie
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Wendy on August 03, 2011, 09:58:38 AM
What the hell is up with the ridiculous mask? I mean, a luchador mask is one thing, but that's just stupid.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on August 03, 2011, 10:56:22 AM
They're already to the conclusion? wtf? I mean so far batman makes an appearance, then kind of busts two bad guys, and to kick it off he is shunned at the end of the second movie.

Why are they cutting this run of batman so short, and will there be later movies explaining what happens between movies?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 04, 2011, 05:45:04 PM
Nolan hadn't intended on doing a third one after Ledger died, but finally broke.  He said this was going to be the last one.  I'd rather have some closure than ending up with more and more shit sequels.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on August 05, 2011, 08:46:38 AM
Nolan hadn't intended on doing a third one after Ledger died, but finally broke.  He said this was going to be the last one.  I'd rather have some closure than ending up with more and more shit sequels.

I agree completely, but I mean this edition of the batman franchise seems so much shorter than usual.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on August 05, 2011, 01:35:40 PM
Anne Hathaway as Catwoman.  Not a fan of the look:

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/322890/HATHAWAY-CATWOMAN.jpg)
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/322553/HATHAWAY-SELENA-KYLE.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on August 05, 2011, 04:15:35 PM
Anne Hathaway as Catwoman.  Not a fan of the look:

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/322890/HATHAWAY-CATWOMAN.jpg)
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/322553/HATHAWAY-SELENA-KYLE.jpg)
Agreed.  She looks like a cat burglar. 

Maybe her tail is going to be CGI?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on August 05, 2011, 08:29:20 PM
top pic is her 69'ing some dude with a motor cycle between them. I call porn.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 05, 2011, 09:35:21 PM
Catsuit needs to be tighter, and shinier.  And there needs to be lots and lots of crotch shots.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Raist on August 06, 2011, 04:41:53 AM
Catsuit needs to be tighter, and shinier.  And there needs to be lots and lots of crotch shots.

It's a batman movie, of course there will be crotch shots.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on February 28, 2012, 03:08:31 PM
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6611293/batman-interrogation
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on April 30, 2012, 11:05:13 PM


Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 01, 2012, 08:18:46 AM
Looks awesome.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: sirTheMore on May 01, 2012, 09:11:30 AM

I'm sure Dark Knight Rises will be another creative and unique Hollywood blockbuster experience!
Regards,
sirTheMore


Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on May 03, 2012, 07:23:53 PM


Fuck yeah.

C-130 FTW!  Older model....H probably or F maybe? 

There were only two of these movies and this is the conclusion?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on May 03, 2012, 07:39:25 PM
I still don't like Anne Hathaway as catwoman.  I hope she proves me wrong like Ledger did, but I think she's gonna be a terrible Catwoman.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Around And About on May 03, 2012, 07:44:57 PM


Fuck yeah.

C-130 FTW!  Older model....H probably or F maybe? 

There were only two of these movies and this is the conclusion?

This is the third movie, the 3rd movie concludes the trilogy. And Bane looks awesome.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on May 04, 2012, 12:19:24 AM


Fuck yeah.

C-130 FTW!  Older model....H probably or F maybe? 

There were only two of these movies and this is the conclusion?

Pff.. See them every day. The new globemaster is more impressive, don't seem them very often. I've said this before though  :-B

I still don't like Anne Hathaway as catwoman.  I hope she proves me wrong like Ledger did, but I think she's gonna be a terrible Catwoman.

Yeah, I don't think she's the best choice for the role, but she isn't a bad actress either.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on May 04, 2012, 12:56:37 AM
I'm sure she's a decent actress or Nolan wouldn't have chosen her at all, but I really don't think she was appropriate for the role.  I still think her costume is ridiculous as well.  Those stupid antennae, what the fuck.  Still, is likely the one and only film I will see in the theater this year/decade.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on July 20, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
I was worried that she wouldn't work out, but after seeing the movie today, I was wrong.  Though Nolan does have a different interpretation of catwoman than in the comic, it works out very well for a movie, and she did a great job in my opinion.

As for the rest of the movie, this is in my opinion the best of the trilogy, probably the best comic book movie to date, and so far my favorite movie this year.

My only major issue was that Bane can be hard to understand with that mask on.  Also there was one part that was sort of anti climactic, but that was minor and didn't take away from my enjoyment.

9.5/10
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on July 20, 2012, 11:55:17 PM
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on July 21, 2012, 08:57:06 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/toosoon (http://www.reddit.com/r/toosoon)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on July 21, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
Why was Bane such a bitch? I mean, seriously. Headshot him and this movie ends pretty early on.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on July 22, 2012, 07:40:57 AM
Also, why does Bane sound like Sean Connery?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on July 22, 2012, 03:05:43 PM
What an amazing movie. Holy damn. Bane wasn't nearly as interesting as the Joker, but everything else made up for it. He was a genuinely intimidating villain, and Tom Hardy carried himself well. Anne Hathaway was fantastic as Catwoman.

The only thing I'm not sure I liked was the end. SEMI-SPOILER ALERT, was anyone else as unhappy with how ambiguous it was? I thought Nolan said he was going to end it so that his series was done once and for all, but that seemed like it was open for a sequel, big time. Yet he said he's done. I guess I'm upset that he would hint at this huge possibility and story, knowing he's not going to follow through on it. I'd be the first to cheer if he announced he was filming another, but I don't this so. So...why the fuck end it like that? >.<
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Crudblud on July 22, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
I think Nolan probably realised that it's difficult to do a self contained story with a neat ending with something like Batman. If he were adapting a miniseries like Black Summer, which isn't part of a larger universe continuity, it'd be fine, but Batman is too huge to be definitively concluded like that.

I just hope when they make the ill advised reboot they decide to skip the origin story, we don't need another one.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on July 22, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
I just hope when they make the ill advised reboot they decide to skip the origin story, we don't need another one.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2011/1/14/1295003119863/Andrew-Garfield-as-Spider-005.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: EnglshGentleman on July 22, 2012, 06:44:41 PM
I too really liked Anne Hathway as Cat Woman. I also liked how her glasses looked like little ears when she put them on top of her head. :3

I also agree that Bane could be hard to understand at times.

As a side note, there is a Superman reboot coming out. Dafuq? We don't need that shit. Superman movies are rarely good. That said, I was pessimistic about the Spiderman reboot and I completely enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on July 22, 2012, 07:06:37 PM
We need a nice LOTR reboot.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Crudblud on July 22, 2012, 07:55:13 PM
I just hope when they make the ill advised reboot they decide to skip the origin story, we don't need another one.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2011/1/14/1295003119863/Andrew-Garfield-as-Spider-005.jpg)

Well honestly, who over the age of 10 doesn't at least have vague knowledge of the origins of Superman, Batman or Spider-Man? And if they don't, there's plenty of easily accessible stuff already out there with which to educate them. Why waste a blockbuster budget on stories that have already been told hundreds of times?

Also, if they're really going to do another Superman movie, it would be improved tenfold if they didn't use Lex Luthor. He's interesting when used well, like when he creates the Everyman Project in 52, but I don't think I've ever seen a movie use him well. I think they should instead do something that takes us out of the Superman movie comfort zone; no more evil billionaires with green rocks, give us a real supervillain like Darkseid and put your ridiculous effects budget to good use.

Also, I thought the new Spider-Man was going to be black, what happened there? Studio pressure?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on July 22, 2012, 08:47:21 PM
Donald Glover's fans campaigned for him to be the new Spidey, he was never going to be black.

But dear God how I would have loved to see what Donald Glover could do as Spider-Man. Guy's got so much skill at everything, I think he may be the second coming of Jesus Christ (don't quote me on that).
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: markjo on July 23, 2012, 08:32:11 AM
As a side note, there is a Superman reboot coming out. Dafuq? We don't need that shit. Superman movies are rarely good. That said, I was pessimistic about the Spiderman reboot and I completely enjoyed it.

Well, Christopher Nolan is supposed to be doing the story for the new Superman movie, so there's a chance that it might not suck.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on July 23, 2012, 12:05:16 PM
As a side note, there is a Superman reboot coming out. Dafuq? We don't need that shit. Superman movies are rarely good. That said, I was pessimistic about the Spiderman reboot and I completely enjoyed it.

Well, Christopher Nolan is supposed to be doing the story for the new Superman movie, so there's a chance that it might not suck.

But Zack Snyder is directing it.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Crudblud on July 23, 2012, 12:30:58 PM
Watchmen really wasn't that bad, it wasn't great, but it was passable. If he can pull off a similar level of quality without going too long, and if the story and script are good, it could conceivably rejuvenate Superman's film career.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on July 24, 2012, 08:52:26 AM
Watchmen really wasn't that bad, it wasn't great, but it was passable. If he can pull off a similar level of quality without going too long, and if the story and script are good, it could conceivably rejuvenate Superman's film career.

I honestly don't care if we never see or hear from Superman again, the only decent version of the Man of Steel was the mid-nineties 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman'
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Crudblud on July 24, 2012, 11:04:15 AM
I'm not much of a Superman fan either, but he does have some good villains who can make for an interesting match up if only they'd actually use them. Darkseid and Brainiac are both much more interesting than the shit version of Luthor that's been in every single movie*.

*the hilariously bad musical doesn't count
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on July 24, 2012, 02:00:35 PM
I love the new Spider, Batman etc... but how many times are they going to reboot it?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on July 24, 2012, 04:38:34 PM
I love the new Spider, Batman etc... but how many times are they going to reboot it?
As many times as they can until the Superhero cash cow dies. I still haven't seen the new Spiderman, I was never a fan of him nor Superman.

But Batman Rises made me cry twice and I even had to suppress the retarded urge to clap afterwards. Sooo good. I would see it again if I wasn't so poor at the moment.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on July 24, 2012, 06:01:09 PM
I love the new Spider, Batman etc... but how many times are they going to reboot it?
As many times as they can until the Superhero cash cow dies. I still haven't seen the new Spiderman, I was never a fan of him nor Superman.

But Batman Rises made me cry twice and I even had to suppress the retarded urge to clap afterwards. Sooo good. I would see it again if I wasn't so poor at the moment.
you can't afford 5 dollars? You need a man that can appreciate you.

Come to Dann, roosroos. We will see Dark Knight Rises 4 times this weekend.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on July 24, 2012, 06:50:48 PM
I love the new Spider, Batman etc... but how many times are they going to reboot it?
As many times as they can until the Superhero cash cow dies. I still haven't seen the new Spiderman, I was never a fan of him nor Superman.

But Batman Rises made me cry twice and I even had to suppress the retarded urge to clap afterwards. Sooo good. I would see it again if I wasn't so poor at the moment.
you can't afford 5 dollars? You need a man that can appreciate you.

Come to Dann, roosroos. We will see Dark Knight Rises 4 times this weekend.
He paid for us to see it the first time and he's already spending too much to cover my broke ass. I refuse to spend or let him spend money on anything unnecessary.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on July 25, 2012, 10:19:49 AM
I love the new Spider, Batman etc... but how many times are they going to reboot it?
As many times as they can until the Superhero cash cow dies. I still haven't seen the new Spiderman, I was never a fan of him nor Superman.

But Batman Rises made me cry twice and I even had to suppress the retarded urge to clap afterwards. Sooo good. I would see it again if I wasn't so poor at the moment.

There are some corny bits but the new Spiderman is surprisingly quite good.

If the sun stops shinning and I don't go to any 'matey BBQ things' then I'll probably go and see it this weekend.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on July 25, 2012, 03:19:42 PM
I love the new Spider, Batman etc... but how many times are they going to reboot it?
As many times as they can until the Superhero cash cow dies. I still haven't seen the new Spiderman, I was never a fan of him nor Superman.

But Batman Rises made me cry twice and I even had to suppress the retarded urge to clap afterwards. Sooo good. I would see it again if I wasn't so poor at the moment.
you can't afford 5 dollars? You need a man that can appreciate you.

Come to Dann, roosroos. We will see Dark Knight Rises 4 times this weekend.
He paid for us to see it the first time and he's already spending too much to cover my broke ass. I refuse to spend or let him spend money on anything unnecessary.
Sokay lil roos. Dann is here for yah. We can see a movie soon. Want me to get you a bus ticket?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
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Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Particle Person on July 25, 2012, 05:09:44 PM
Bane deserved better.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 01, 2012, 04:30:01 PM
Well, I've seen it, and while overall it was a great movie, I think it's the weakest of the trilogy.  There are some very prominent and irritating plot holes, there's way too much focus on random side characters that we've never seen before and have no reason to give a shit about (i.e. Joseph Gordon-Levitt) at the expense of the other characters, and the length.  Oh God, the length.

And the ending is awful.

Bane deserved better.

***SPOILER ALERT***

Yeah, that was total bullshit.  What especially pissed me off about it was that they could have easily avoided it.  All they had to do was have Bane be killed somehow in the fight with Batman, and then Talia could have had her important scene with Batman, gesturing at Bane's body or whatever.  And if they really needed Catwoman to roll up and deliver that stupid quip, then it could have been just a random henchman she blasted away.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on August 01, 2012, 05:21:49 PM
Zero plot holes.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on August 01, 2012, 05:39:55 PM
I thought the length was fine, the closer to such an awesome trilogy deserved (and maybe needed) it.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: markjo on August 01, 2012, 06:52:05 PM
And the ending is awful.

Bane deserved better.

***SPOILER ALERT***

Yeah, that was total bullshit.  What especially pissed me off about it was that they could have easily avoided it.  All they had to do was have Bane be killed somehow in the fight with Batman, and then Talia could have had her important scene with Batman, gesturing at Bane's body or whatever.  And if they really needed Catwoman to roll up and deliver that stupid quip, then it could have been just a random henchman she blasted away.

Are you suggesting that Catwoman acted out of character?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 01, 2012, 07:24:25 PM
Bane was in the friend zone.  :'(
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 01, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
And the ending is awful.

Bane deserved better.

***SPOILER ALERT***

Yeah, that was total bullshit.  What especially pissed me off about it was that they could have easily avoided it.  All they had to do was have Bane be killed somehow in the fight with Batman, and then Talia could have had her important scene with Batman, gesturing at Bane's body or whatever.  And if they really needed Catwoman to roll up and deliver that stupid quip, then it could have been just a random henchman she blasted away.

Are you suggesting that Catwoman acted out of character?

???

No, that's not what I'm suggesting, nor is it even remotely close to what I'm suggesting.  I'm criticizing the writers for killing off Bane in such a jokey, anti-climatic manner.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 01, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
I'm criticizing the writers for killing off Bane

....or did they....
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: markjo on August 02, 2012, 06:21:46 PM
Are you suggesting that Catwoman acted out of character?

 ???

No, that's not what I'm suggesting, nor is it even remotely close to what I'm suggesting.  I'm criticizing the writers for killing off Bane in such a jokey, anti-climatic manner.

If you want to see the ultimate "jokey, anti-climatic" killing, you should watch Wizards (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076929/).
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 03, 2012, 01:26:29 AM
I loved it but one thing confuses me...

SPOILERS


Why does Bane go through the trouble of leading his revolution and turning Gotham into a pseudo-anarchist commune if his intention is to blow the city up anyway? Just to torture Batman?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on August 03, 2012, 02:43:55 AM
I loved it but one thing confuses me...

SPOILERS


Why does Bane go through the trouble of leading his revolution and turning Gotham into a pseudo-anarchist commune if his intention is to blow the city up anyway? Just to torture Batman?

SPOILERS, obviously.

Because the League of Shadows wanted Gotham destroyed, and convincing the city of Bane's goodness is convenient.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 03, 2012, 03:17:02 AM
SPOILERS



But once Bane and Talia had the fusion reactor after taking over Wayne Enterprises, why bother with the elaborate 'revolution?' Why not high-tail it 6 miles outside the blast radius and press the trigger?

Really the whole revolution/ resistance was awesome enough to stand without an explanation* but it would have been better if there was one.

*The Scarecrow as judge, jury and executioner was a nice touch, too.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on August 03, 2012, 04:51:19 AM
SPOILER!

Same reason why they didn't just shoot batman: to make him suffer. To break his spirit. They wanted him to watch as the situation in Gotham got worse and worse until it went boom.

If you're gonna get revenge, you want the person to suffer. And a broken spirit for the rest of your life in a horrible prison is a good way to make someone suffer.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on August 03, 2012, 04:52:06 AM
SPOILER!

Same reason why they didn't just shoot batman: to make him suffer. To break his spirit. They wanted him to watch as the situation in Gotham got worse and worse until it went boom.

If you're gonna get revenge, you want the person to suffer. And a broken spirit for the rest of your life in a horrible prison is a good way to make someone suffer.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 03, 2012, 05:36:09 AM
Spoilers

I can buy that but it's an enormously extravagent was of exacting revenge on somebody. Most Bond villains are content to torture him or kill the girl, Bane leads a revolution of 12 million people (I think that's the number the soldier on the bridge said lived in Gotham)  and controls it for months. That's intense.

I think it would have been better if Talia had betrayed Bane with the bomb, if he didn't know it would become unstable.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on August 04, 2012, 12:22:35 AM
Spoilers

I can buy that but it's an enormously extravagent was of exacting revenge on somebody. Most Bond villains are content to torture him or kill the girl, Bane leads a revolution of 12 million people (I think that's the number the soldier on the bridge said lived in Gotham)  and controls it for months. That's intense.

I think it would have been better if Talia had betrayed Bane with the bomb, if he didn't know it would become unstable.
Didn't Bane state at some point that he wanted to give them hope and then crush it?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 10, 2012, 12:10:53 PM
Spoilers

I can buy that but it's an enormously extravagent was of exacting revenge on somebody. Most Bond villains are content to torture him or kill the girl, Bane leads a revolution of 12 million people (I think that's the number the soldier on the bridge said lived in Gotham)  and controls it for months. That's intense.

I think it would have been better if Talia had betrayed Bane with the bomb, if he didn't know it would become unstable.
Didn't Bane state at some point that he wanted to give them hope and then crush it?

He did, but that really doesn't make any sense in the context of a bomb.  The people of Gotham didn't know that the bomb was going to go off, and if it had, they would have been killed instantly.  There would have been no time for them to despair or have their hope crushed.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on August 10, 2012, 05:54:36 PM
Spoilers

I can buy that but it's an enormously extravagent was of exacting revenge on somebody. Most Bond villains are content to torture him or kill the girl, Bane leads a revolution of 12 million people (I think that's the number the soldier on the bridge said lived in Gotham)  and controls it for months. That's intense.

I think it would have been better if Talia had betrayed Bane with the bomb, if he didn't know it would become unstable.
Didn't Bane state at some point that he wanted to give them hope and then crush it?

He did, but that really doesn't make any sense in the context of a bomb.  The people of Gotham didn't know that the bomb was going to go off, and if it had, they would have been killed instantly.  There would have been no time for them to despair or have their hope crushed.
Maybe he was just happy knowing they had no hope, but stil hoped. Fuck you penguinhead. NO PLOT HOLES.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 10, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
That's not how hope works.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vongeo on August 11, 2012, 10:11:43 AM
Spoilers

I can buy that but it's an enormously extravagent was of exacting revenge on somebody. Most Bond villains are content to torture him or kill the girl, Bane leads a revolution of 12 million people (I think that's the number the soldier on the bridge said lived in Gotham)  and controls it for months. That's intense.

I think it would have been better if Talia had betrayed Bane with the bomb, if he didn't know it would become unstable.
Didn't Bane state at some point that he wanted to give them hope and then crush it?
I am a well selling author and agree with dann.

He did, but that really doesn't make any sense in the context of a bomb.  The people of Gotham didn't know that the bomb was going to go off, and if it had, they would have been killed instantly.  There would have been no time for them to despair or have their hope crushed.
Maybe he was just happy knowing they had no hope, but stil hoped. Fuck you penguinhead. NO PLOT HOLES.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 15, 2012, 10:01:31 PM
How did Batman get back to Gotham (and past the military quarantine, I might add) after escaping that prison?  Did he just teleport there?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on August 15, 2012, 10:02:10 PM
How did Batman get back to Gotham (and past the military quarantine, I might add)) after escaping that prison?  Did he just teleport there?

He's Batman.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 15, 2012, 10:12:32 PM
If Adam West were still playing Batman, I bet he would have a Bat-teleportation device on his belt.  Handy.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 20, 2012, 12:48:29 AM
Finally got to see it tonight.  I liked it.  A few nags and observations (POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT):

Bane's voice.  I'm glad it wasn't some "gritty" unintelligible voice, but he was supposed to be South American and his accent should have been more appropriate to the region.  Otherwise I liked his role, but am disappointed at the lack of him having Venom.  Him being strong is believable enough, but that scene in the metro tunnel where Bane kicks Batman's would have been more intense if Batman was beating on him a while and suddenly Bane juiced up and just totally wrecked him.  They are really pretty evenly matched, and although I can believe Batman losing the fight as it is because of his lack of planning beforehand (which is a large portion of how Batman manages to survive most of his encounters, being well informed going into the fight), I think it would have been a good opportunity to REALLY demonstrate what kind of inhuman threat Bane is and not just a really strong guy who wants people dead.  He's a really REALLY strong guy who wants people dead.

I was fairly pleasantly surprised with Anne Hathaway's portrayal of Catwoman.  I expected her to have more of a villainous role, though; obviously Catwoman has never been that nefarious a character and is sometimes "good," but I expected her to be involved in some kind of big heist or something at the least.  Instead she just kind of became a supporting character and vague love interest of Bruce/Batman.  The way the movie played out at the end with them together just didn't really make a lot of sense since there was never really any actual developmental interaction between the two besides the one quick sequence with her telling Batman to leave Gotham with her.

Speaking of villains, I was pleasantly and thoroughly surprised that it turned out that Talia Al'Ghul was the real antagonist the whole time.  Nolan did a good job of using the fact that he'd already made small changes to the Batman universe and with such class that I only briefly for a second questioned the idea that Bane was Ra's Al'Ghul's child, with the full outside Knowledge that the only child Ra's had was a daughter--Not to mention that she's exceptionally business savvy so I should have known better, but I'm not disappointed by this.  It was a delightful twist.

I'm fine with ignoring the small plot holes like how Bruce got back to Gotham from a literal hole in the ground in South America in less than a day, but I figure with his resources (and I don't just mean money) it's not a surprise he'd find a way.  Don't really care about little things like that, that's all part of suspension of disbelief for films in general.

Only other thing that bothers me about this movie, as well as Begins, is why the hell Ra's wanted to destroy Gotham in the first place.  Joker just wanted to spread chaos, that's always been his thing--to "watch the world burn" as Alfred had put it.  But Ra's was determined to obliterate Gotham for no real apparent reason, and he's too intelligent and straight forward to want it to happen "just because."  I would have preferred if Nolan explained a bit of reason here.

Aside from that, I enjoyed it and I hate Nolan for the ending and his saying there won't be another one.  Come on, I want to see Joseph Gordon-Levitt either suit up as Nightwing or take over the Batman cowl!
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 20, 2012, 10:52:39 AM
Didn't Ra's want to destroy Gotham because it was too corrupt and criminal? In Begins he wanted Bruce to kill that small time thief, showing that Ra's has very strict punishment ideals. He saw it as a dirty little smudge that needed to be wholly wiped out.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 20, 2012, 11:03:30 AM
Of course, considering how crime is almost non-existent in Gotham when this movie begins, the motive no longer makes sense.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 20, 2012, 11:10:55 AM
Of course, considering how crime is almost non-existent in Gotham when this movie begins, the motive no longer makes sense.
Nah, the cancer is still there. Once Batman quits crime will run rampant again.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 20, 2012, 11:16:21 AM
Batman DID quit, for seven years.  The Dent Act gave the police more power to put criminal behind bars and obliterated the majority of big crime in the city.  When Bane popped up Gotham crime was at an all time low.  While Ra's may have wanted to punish Gotham for its crimes, most of that was gone by the time the third movie came.  The premise that Talia wanted to continue her fathers work just to stop corporate fat cats from being so happy with their wealth is a little silly.  But I don't really mind all that, it was still a fun movie.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 20, 2012, 11:53:28 AM
Batman DID quit, for seven years.  The Dent Act gave the police more power to put criminal behind bars and obliterated the majority of big crime in the city.  When Bane popped up Gotham crime was at an all time low.  While Ra's may have wanted to punish Gotham for its crimes, most of that was gone by the time the third movie came.  The premise that Talia wanted to continue her fathers work just to stop corporate fat cats from being so happy with their wealth is a little silly.  But I don't really mind all that, it was still a fun movie.

I don't have high standards for the story when it comes to superhero movies. I just kinda chalked it up to Ra's being cray cray and once he set his heart on something then by George his daughter will finish it.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 20, 2012, 12:15:23 PM
Fair enough.

Also, speaking of Ra's, I was wondering myself if Bruce was just hallucinating him in the scene in the prison, or if Ra's was resurrected and using some trick to taunt Bruce with a hologram or something!  Hard to tell with Nolan's "realistic" approach to the Batman universe.

Also, speaking of the prison that reminds me of another small thing that bugged me about the movie was the sense of passage of time.  Supposedly five months passed while Bruce was in the hole, but it really just felt like a few days.  Nolan could have done a better job demonstrating the passage of time than just having a character state that it's been four months.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 20, 2012, 12:37:00 PM
Also, speaking of the prison that reminds me of another small thing that bugged me about the movie was the sense of passage of time.  Supposedly five months passed while Bruce was in the hole, but it really just felt like a few days.  Nolan could have done a better job demonstrating the passage of time than just having a character state that it's been four months.
YES

That back injury seemed to heal way too fast. I don't even remember them saying how long it had actually been.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 20, 2012, 03:54:32 PM
Of course, considering how crime is almost non-existent in Gotham when this movie begins, the motive no longer makes sense.

So maybe she just wanted to finish the job her father had died attempting.  Maybe she wanted to destroy Gotham out of hatred for Batman for his role in her father's death.  Her motivation doesn't have to be rational for it to make sense within the context of the series.

Also, speaking of Ra's, I was wondering myself if Bruce was just hallucinating him in the scene in the prison, or if Ra's was resurrected and using some trick to taunt Bruce with a hologram or something!  Hard to tell with Nolan's "realistic" approach to the Batman universe.

Pretty sure it was a hallucination.  I thought it was a nice nod to his immortality in the comics without actually bringing it into the mix.
Title: Re: Dann Knight Rises
Post by: Vongeo on August 20, 2012, 06:45:15 PM
the dann knight rises.


Make it.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 28, 2012, 01:13:39 AM
No, it's fairly obvious that in the film the prison is in a middle eastern or maybe indian region, but the comic/cartoon/everythingelse Bane is South American.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 28, 2012, 07:56:32 AM
(http://www.thejoycannon.com/comics/2012-07-25-DKR2.png)
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 07:58:38 AM
It is a shame that they killed Batman at the end of the movie.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 28, 2012, 08:02:53 AM
It is a shame that they killed Batman at the end of the movie.

A crude troll?

Or were you referring to Batman in a personified sense, simply as the hero Gotham knew, as opposed to Bruce Wayne?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 08:04:28 AM
No, they killed Bruce in the most literal sense possible: by blowing him up with a nuclear weapon.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 28, 2012, 08:06:20 AM
So it's a crude troll, then.  Okay.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 08:08:07 AM
Uhh, no. The story was purposely written so that one could easily support that Bruce died, but not to make it painfully obvious to people who would like to think he lived.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 28, 2012, 08:10:37 AM
What, did Alfred just imagine seeing him in the cafe at the end, then?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 08:17:39 AM
Yes. That is why the shot appeared to be more or less like a dream-state. Alfred saw what he wanted to see Bruce become, not the reality of the situation. The entire movie (and the series overall) was themed around Bruce as wanting to die as Batman, not Bruce Wayne. The bomb gave him the ultimate chance to do this.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 28, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
I'll have to watch it again, but I think you're wrong.  Bruce used the "clean slate" virus and sapped enough cash from remaining Waynetech funds to gtfo Gotham and get started again elsewhere.  He knew Alfred frequented that joint at a certain time so he took Selina there to show Alf he was doing OK.

But I don't recall the sequence being "dreamlike" so I might be wrong and it might just have been Alfred seeing what he wanted to see and the Waynetech funds that disappeared might have been part of some other plan Bruce had put in place that hadn't been mentioned.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 09:06:07 AM
I would also like to touch on the autopilot thing since I know that will come up. Bruce did fix the autopilot on the aircraft, why did he not use it? Well, for one, would you trust an autopilot to take a nuclear weapon out to sea? I wouldn't. Two, that scene was to emphasize that Bruce possibly had a choice not to sacrifice himself as Batman, but again, Bruce wanted to die as Batman. Alfred expressed this fear multiple times throughout the series in words, as Bruce only heavily implies his motives, never vocalizing them. Alfred can be considered "the ideal" and Bruce/Batman as the "reality" throughout the movies.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vongeo on August 28, 2012, 09:12:02 AM
Irush is dumb.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Lorddave on August 28, 2012, 09:14:21 AM
Bruce didn't die. Stop thinking he did. What Alfred saw was real.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vongeo on August 28, 2012, 09:29:29 AM
Bruce didn't die. Stop thinking he did. What Alfred saw was real.

I agree.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: theonlydann on August 28, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
Irush is dumb.
I agree.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 10:45:16 AM
Bruce didn't die. Stop thinking he did. What Alfred saw was real.

Nope. What you saw was what Alfred wanted to see, not what truly existed. Bruce Wayne wanted to die as Batman, so he did. It is that simple. Do you really think a "everyone lives yay!" ending fits the series? A happy ending is not canon with the rest of the series, but people still wanted to see one. That is why the ending was made to be somewhat ambiguous. You can either believe the lie or see the reality.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 28, 2012, 11:02:25 AM
Do you really think a "everyone lives yay!" ending fits the series? A happy ending is not canon with the rest of the series

Now you're just making a fallacious argument from desirability.  There's no doubt that the ending was shit, but that doesn't mean it wasn't real.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 11:05:39 AM
Now you're just making a fallacious argument from desirability.  There's no doubt that the ending was shit, but that doesn't mean it wasn't real.

Are you saying that desirability does not pertain to one's interpretation of a movie?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 28, 2012, 11:17:48 AM
Initially what Irush is saying is what I thought as well, that Alfred saw what he wanted to see. It could go both ways which is how I think it's supposed to be.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on August 28, 2012, 11:23:54 AM
Christian Bale says that Bruce lived and he's glad they didn't kill him off.

Also, I'm pretty sure you don't actually see Batman when it shows 5 seconds on the timer, so what says he's even in there?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 11:28:05 AM
Christian Bale says that Bruce lived and he's glad they didn't kill him off.

That is what an actor says. I doubt that the director accidentally made the ending vague or accidentally made the cafe scene appear to be dream-like.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on August 28, 2012, 11:33:19 AM
Christian Bale says that Bruce lived and he's glad they didn't kill him off.

That is what an actor says. I doubt that the director accidentally made the ending vague or accidentally made the cafe scene appear to be dream-like.

Or you could just be seeing it how you want to. It just felt epilogue-y to me.

Also, random aside, I kinda like the novel's explanation for where the Joker was. It feels so much like the comics:

Quote
Now that the Dent Act had made it all but impossible for the city’s criminals to cop an insanity plea, it (Blackgate Prison) had replaced Arkham Asylum as the preferred location for imprisoning both convicted and suspected felons. The worst of the worst were sent here, except for the Joker, who, rumor had it, was locked away as Arkham’s sole remaining inmate. Or perhaps he had escaped. Nobody was really sure. Not even Selina.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 28, 2012, 11:41:20 AM
Quote
Now that the Dent Act had made it all but impossible for the city’s criminals to cop an insanity plea, it (Blackgate Prison) had replaced Arkham Asylum as the preferred location for imprisoning both convicted and suspected felons. The worst of the worst were sent here, except for the Joker, who, rumor had it, was locked away as Arkham’s sole remaining inmate. Or perhaps he had escaped. Nobody was really sure. Not even Selina.
What? Why would nobody be sure? Sounds like some shit security to me.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on August 28, 2012, 11:45:35 AM
It does, but like I said, it just feels like the comics. You kinda get used to accepting things like that in those 'cause the Joker is never in Arkham Asylum for long. I like the thought of his fate becoming this sort of urban legend, because he's always been my favourite Batman character.

One more thing about the ending. If it was a dream, how does Alfred know about Bruce and Selina? Not to mention that the pearls are missing from Wayne's assets, and Selina is wearing said pearls at the end scene.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 28, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
Christian Bale says that Bruce lived and he's glad they didn't kill him off.

That is what an actor says. I doubt that the director accidentally made the ending vague or accidentally made the cafe scene appear to be dream-like.

Now you're begging the question.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on August 28, 2012, 04:36:08 PM
How The Dark Knight Rises Should Have Ended (http://#ws)

Answer to all plot holes in the movie:  "Because I'm Batman!"
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 28, 2012, 06:41:16 PM
I would also like to touch on the autopilot thing since I know that will come up. Bruce did fix the autopilot on the aircraft, why did he not use it?

They took out the autopilot module to use in their signal jammer for the bomb.  Pay attention faggot.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on August 28, 2012, 07:09:55 PM
I would also like to touch on the autopilot thing since I know that will come up. Bruce did fix the autopilot on the aircraft, why did he not use it?

They took out the autopilot module to use in their signal jammer for the bomb.  Pay attention faggot.
So then how did he not die?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 28, 2012, 08:07:30 PM
I would also like to touch on the autopilot thing since I know that will come up. Bruce did fix the autopilot on the aircraft, why did he not use it?

They took out the autopilot module to use in their signal jammer for the bomb.  Pay attention faggot.

What Rooster said. Without the autopilot it would be difficult to argue that Batman didn't die.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on August 28, 2012, 10:31:55 PM
>Fly towards the ocean
>After clearing city bail out while The Bat is flying straight ahead.
>Survive the plunge into frigid ocean water.

How is it hard to figure out?  The engines are pointing straight, and while it may still veer off course physics ought to keep it going the same general direction.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on August 29, 2012, 03:49:42 AM
I would also like to touch on the autopilot thing since I know that will come up. Bruce did fix the autopilot on the aircraft, why did he not use it?

They took out the autopilot module to use in their signal jammer for the bomb.  Pay attention faggot.

What Rooster said. Without the autopilot it would be difficult to argue that Batman didn't die.

He's Batman.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Rushy on August 29, 2012, 06:21:14 AM
>Fly towards the ocean
>After clearing city bail out while The Bat is flying straight ahead.
>Survive the plunge into frigid ocean water.

How is it hard to figure out?  The engines are pointing straight, and while it may still veer off course physics ought to keep it going the same general direction.

Yeah, no. Its a nuclear weapon. Even if he bailed out and dived to 150m (which wouldn't happen) in the ocean, he still would have gotten severe radiation poisoning. Its a twin blade hovercraft, it isn't going to "just fly straight."

Bruce wanted to die as Batman so he did.

He's Batman.

If this was the comic that would be a viable answer, but the movie was made to be as close to reality as one can get with a character like Batman.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on November 06, 2012, 10:47:52 AM
Also, speaking of Ra's, I was wondering myself if Bruce was just hallucinating him in the scene in the prison, or if Ra's was resurrected and using some trick to taunt Bruce with a hologram or something!  Hard to tell with Nolan's "realistic" approach to the Batman universe.

It's hard to tell in a realistic movie if someone has risen from the dead.  I see.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: OrbisNonSufficit on November 06, 2012, 11:25:49 AM
>Fly towards the ocean
>After clearing city bail out while The Bat is flying straight ahead.
>Survive the plunge into frigid ocean water.

How is it hard to figure out?  The engines are pointing straight, and while it may still veer off course physics ought to keep it going the same general direction.

Yeah, no. Its a nuclear weapon. Even if he bailed out and dived to 150m (which wouldn't happen) in the ocean, he still would have gotten severe radiation poisoning. Its a twin blade hovercraft, it isn't going to "just fly straight."

Bruce wanted to die as Batman so he did.

He's Batman.

If this was the comic that would be a viable answer, but the movie was made to be as close to reality as one can get with a character like Batman.

With a pure fusion weapon like the one in batman there would be no radiation fallout.  There would be the initial blast of neutrons which would cause radiation sickness, but at least there would be no residual fallout. 
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Nomad on November 06, 2012, 04:26:39 PM
Also, speaking of Ra's, I was wondering myself if Bruce was just hallucinating him in the scene in the prison, or if Ra's was resurrected and using some trick to taunt Bruce with a hologram or something!  Hard to tell with Nolan's "realistic" approach to the Batman universe.

It's hard to tell in a realistic movie if someone has risen from the dead.  I see.

>batman movie
>realistic

ok
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on November 06, 2012, 04:53:24 PM
I meant "realistic" the way that you had used the word, so I guess I should have included the quotes.  But the point remains - the movies have constantly avoided using any supernatural or fantastical elements of the comics.  There's no reason why they would have thrown that principle out the window in the last movie for a two-minute scene that was never followed up on.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 06, 2013, 11:30:06 AM
Also, I have bought the movie, watched it again, and confirmed that the final scene was in no way "dream-like."  It was shot no differently to any other scene of the movie.  Surprise surprise, Rushy is full of shit.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Beorn on January 06, 2013, 11:36:59 AM
Also, I have bought the movie, watched it again, and confirmed that the final scene was in no way "dream-like."  It was shot no differently to any other scene of the movie.  Surprise surprise, Rushy is full of shit.

And it only cost you ? bucks to prove it.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Blanko on January 06, 2013, 11:57:07 AM
Also, I have bought the movie, watched it again, and confirmed that the final scene was in no way "dream-like."  It was shot no differently to any other scene of the movie.  Surprise surprise, Rushy is full of shit.

Is that really your only reasoning for that?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 06, 2013, 02:03:15 PM
Is my only reasoning for the scene not being dream-like that the scene isn't dream-like?  Yes, it is.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Blanko on January 06, 2013, 02:09:04 PM
No, you said it was shot no differently. The cinematography behind the scene isn't the only way to achieve a dream-like effect.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on January 06, 2013, 03:10:22 PM
Why would he put a dream sequence at the end? This isn't inception, such a scene makes no sense. Yeah, it's BS Batman got away from the bomb in time, but it's just one of many plot holes that show up when you start to think about the movie.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Blanko on January 06, 2013, 03:26:42 PM
This isn't inception,

But it is Nolan.

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such a scene makes no sense.

Again, it's Nolan.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Vindictus on January 06, 2013, 03:29:30 PM
Are you trying to say Nolan makes bad movies?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: DDDDAts all folks on January 06, 2013, 03:30:33 PM
I didn't have a problem with the ending scene at all. I thought it fit into the events that happened previously.

Also there's no reason why the autopilot thingy could not be replaced after it prevented the bomb from going off.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 06, 2013, 03:34:59 PM
The autopilot had been fixed, as the movie explicitly stated.  There would be no reason to put that in if we were supposed to think that Bruce was dead.  Just like, you know, there would be no reason to put in Alfred seeing Bruce alive.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on January 08, 2013, 12:21:37 AM
I think the "dream" ending is more a case of people disliking the ending wanting to like it, so correcting it for themselves. It doesn't hold much water, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on January 08, 2013, 02:52:11 PM
It's stupid.  Having watched it again only reinforces my positiveness that he lived.  They wouldn't have pointed out that Bruce had repaired the autopilot if they didn't mean to make it clear that he escaped.  Not every movie has to be fucking Inception.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Foxy on January 08, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
It's stupid.  Having watched it again only reinforces my positiveness that he lived.  They wouldn't have pointed out that Bruce had repaired the autopilot if they didn't mean to make it clear that he escaped.  Not every movie has to be fucking Inception.

This. "but it's a Nolan film" is horrible reasoning for this. The ending is a result of the story that he is telling in this film. Not his other films. You should be thinking about this story and what's being shown to you in this film, not "omg but he did this in Inception or any of his other films". He's a director of films, not some formula.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Supertails on January 09, 2013, 03:58:49 AM
memento was actually a magician because nolan
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Eddy Baby on March 13, 2013, 11:26:49 AM
My verdict: he don't die
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on March 13, 2013, 12:08:21 PM
I'm glad you bumped this thread, because now I have another question about the dumb ending.  What good does leaving all the Batman stuff to Gordon-Levitt's character actually do?  He's not a superhero.  He has no special training.  He's just a rookie cop who couldn't even handle two street thugs without having to shoot them.  If he seriously tried to fight crime as the new Batman or Nightwing or whatever, he'd be dead within a few weeks.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on March 13, 2013, 12:13:23 PM
I'm glad you bumped this thread, because now I have another question about the dumb ending.  What good does leaving all the Batman stuff to Gordon-Levitt's character actually do?  He's not a superhero.  He has no special training.  He's just a rookie cop who couldn't even handle two street thugs without having to shoot them.  If he seriously tried to fight crime as the new Batman or Nightwing or whatever, he'd be dead within a few weeks.
are you implying that it's not possible for him to get training or did you just assume he'd don a costume as is...?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Foxy on March 13, 2013, 12:32:37 PM
I'm glad you bumped this thread, because now I have another question about the dumb ending.  What good does leaving all the Batman stuff to Gordon-Levitt's character actually do?  He's not a superhero.  He has no special training.  He's just a rookie cop who couldn't even handle two street thugs without having to shoot them.  If he seriously tried to fight crime as the new Batman or Nightwing or whatever, he'd be dead within a few weeks.
are you implying that it's not possible for him to get training or did you just assume he'd don a costume as is...?

This. I see it as the beginning of his journey. The imagery even shows me this, such as when he is surrounded by bats when he is in the cave just as Bruce was in Batman Begins. He has begun his own journey just as Bruce did previously. There is no reason to believe he's going to jump right in immediately without training. Bruce Wayne wasn't a superhero either.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Saddam Hussein on March 13, 2013, 12:53:17 PM
Who would train him?  Who could train him?
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: rooster on March 13, 2013, 01:01:04 PM
Who would train him?  Who could train him?
dundundun

probably anyone from the never ending list of heroes, villains, or allies that comic books create.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Foxy on March 13, 2013, 01:48:00 PM
A railway conductor.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Eddy Baby on March 13, 2013, 11:17:02 PM
Just to reiterate, what we're assuming happened is he ejected from The Bat somewhere over the ocean, right?