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Title: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Pongo on September 30, 2010, 10:52:15 AM
In 2008, doctors at the Department of Clinical and Experimental Epilepsy, Institute of Neurology UCL concluded a 341 day study that linked epileptic seizures to moonlight.  The doctors, in their blameless ignorance, erroneously attributed not only the light from the moon as being reflected off the sun (It's from moon-dwelling bioluminescent fungus/bacteria and possibly sonoluminescent shrimp-like creatures, which if true, would be the primary cause of the deleterious effects), but also a correlation between the intensity of the light produced and seizures incurred; when they moved their patients out of the moonlight, the seizures dropped in frequency and duration.

The obvious conclusion, overlooked by scientists locked in a rigid and credulous system geared to reinforcing their own ideas, is that the moon's rays are the direct cause of the observed seizures and not the extra, and notably negligible, addition of light by the moon in the night sky.  If this were the case, the test subjects would succumbing to seizures anytime they passed a soft-glowing light bulb or streetlamp.

Be warned, the moon's rays are proven to be harmful and everyone should avoid them at all costs.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WDT-4T1X2HG-1&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F2008&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1480274888&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c3bbe0a5e8946f2eeb34000147e5a1ea&searchtype=a#implicit0
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on September 30, 2010, 11:05:30 AM
 What? There is nothing like you describe in the sentence - "it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures."
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: ClockTower on September 30, 2010, 11:06:58 AM
In 2008, doctors at the Department of Clinical and Experimental Epilepsy, Institute of Neurology UCL concluded a 341 day study that linked epileptic seizures to moonlight.  The doctors, in their blameless ignorance, erroneously attributed not only the light from the moon as being reflected off the sun (It's from moon-dwelling bioluminescent fungus/bacteria and sonoluminescent shrimp-like creatures, the latter of which are the primary cause of the deleterious effects), but also a correlation between the intensity of the light produced and seizures incurred; when they moved their patients out of the moonlight, the seizures dropped in frequency and duration.

The obvious conclusion, overlooked by scientists locked in a rigid and credulous system geared to reinforcing their own ideas, is that the moon's rays are the direct cause of the observed seizures and not the extra, and notably negligible, addition of light by the moon in the night sky.  If this were the case, the test subjects would succumbing to seizures anytime they passed a soft-glowing light bulb or streetlamp.

Be warned, the moon's rays are proven to be harmful and everyone should avoid them at all costs.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WDT-4T1X2HG-1&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F2008&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1480274888&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c3bbe0a5e8946f2eeb34000147e5a1ea&searchtype=a#implicit0
So you claim that scientists erred and that you know better. Obviously we know that anyone who knows that Australia doesn't exist and the M31 is 1mm wide does not know better than these scientists. Please don't bother to rely on your own credibility to win an argument here.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Pongo on September 30, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
What? There is nothing like you describe in the sentence - "it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures."

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That quote clearly says that the seizures may be influenced by the contribution of the moon's brightness to nocturnal luminance.


@ClockTower
What does Australia have to do with my PSA?  Are you trolling again, like the time that you said a hydrogen atom was 1mm across?  We are all very worried about your general well being.  Have you spent lots of time under the moon during your life?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: ClockTower on September 30, 2010, 11:12:05 AM
What? There is nothing like you describe in the sentence - "it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures."

...

That quote clearly says that the seizures may be influenced by the contribution of the moon's brightness to nocturnal luminance.
Then how do you turn that possibility into the position claimed in this thread's title?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on September 30, 2010, 11:12:44 AM
For those too lazy to click the link:
Quote
Abstract

Recent reports on the effects of the lunar cycle on seizure occurrence have yielded mixed results. If the moon phase is influential, we hypothesized that this would be due to the moon’s contribution to nocturnal illumination, rather than its waxing or waning state, and that significant correlations would not be apparent if local cloud cover were controlled for. We found a significant negative correlation between the mean number of seizures and the fraction of the moon illuminated by the sun (? = –0.09, P < 0.05) in 1571 seizures recorded in a dedicated epilepsy inpatient unit over 341 days. This correlation disappeared when we controlled for the local clarity of the night sky, suggesting that it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on September 30, 2010, 11:24:40 AM
What? There is nothing like you describe in the sentence - "it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures."

...

That quote clearly says that the seizures may be influenced by the contribution of the moon's brightness to nocturnal luminance.
In short, seizures may be influenced by the bright nights whatever the cause of the brightness is. Nothing to do with the moonlight per se.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Pongo on September 30, 2010, 11:31:10 AM
What? There is nothing like you describe in the sentence - "it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures."

...

That quote clearly says that the seizures may be influenced by the contribution of the moon's brightness to nocturnal luminance.
In short, seizures may be influenced by the bright nights whatever the cause of the brightness is. Nothing to do with the moonlight per se.

How much more proof do you need?  You are just denying for the sake of denying.  In moonlight people have seizures, inside they have less seizures.  It's painfully obvious that the doctors couldn't put two and two together and blamed the seizures on whatever they could think of, the negligible addition of a soft glowing moon to the night light.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: ClockTower on September 30, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
What? There is nothing like you describe in the sentence - "it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures."

...

That quote clearly says that the seizures may be influenced by the contribution of the moon's brightness to nocturnal luminance.
In short, seizures may be influenced by the bright nights whatever the cause of the brightness is. Nothing to do with the moonlight per se.

How much more proof do you need?  You are just denying for the sake of denying.  In moonlight people have seizures, inside they have less seizures.  It's painfully obvious that the doctors couldn't put two and two together and blamed the seizures on whatever they could think of, the negligible addition of a soft glowing moon to the night light.
I see that you've incorrectly concluded that correlation is causation. Please revisit your reasoning training, or lack thereof. Thanks.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on September 30, 2010, 11:36:29 AM
What? There is nothing like you describe in the sentence - "it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures."

...

That quote clearly says that the seizures may be influenced by the contribution of the moon's brightness to nocturnal luminance.
In short, seizures may be influenced by the bright nights whatever the cause of the brightness is. Nothing to do with the moonlight per se.

How much more proof do you need?  You are just denying for the sake of denying.  In moonlight people have seizures, inside they have less seizures.  It's painfully obvious that the doctors couldn't put two and two together and blamed the seizures on whatever they could think of, the negligible addition of a soft glowing moon to the night light.
I am not denying anything. I agree that the white nights can be the influence for the seizures as the doctors say. But as many times I read it there is nothing about moonlight causing seizures. You better learn to read, don't only skim casually.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: JamesJamie on September 30, 2010, 12:44:28 PM
I'd also like to conclude that when there is a full moon there is more crime. So obviously the moon makes people crazy!!!!!!

In retrospect, did you really pay the 40 bucks to read it, or did you just read the overview?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: berny_74 on September 30, 2010, 02:21:57 PM
I'd also like to conclude that when there is a full moon there is more crime. So obviously the moon makes people crazy!!!!!!

In retrospect, did you really pay the 40 bucks to read it, or did you just read the overview?

As his precis of the article contained nothing except what was in the available article, including the lack of conclusion I am assuming he did not pay $40.00 for it - nor do I think he should since it probably would have little affect on any of our beliefs on moonlight.  That money would be better spend on - well whatever Pongo likes.

Now - since we can all pull out webpages from the ether of the net.
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970103b.html (http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970103b.html)
States no correlation of crime and phases of moon - you can read it.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=lunacy-and-the-full-moon&page=2 (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=lunacy-and-the-full-moon&page=2)
And another one.

But I betcha for every URL I come up with debunking the myth, someone will come up with one supporting the myth.

Berny


Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: JamesJamie on September 30, 2010, 02:49:00 PM
Thanks Berny, I have one that supports it!!!
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200502/full-moon-crazy

J/k actually, however I want to point this out to the FE'ers out there.

'Kelly also cites what psychologists call confirmation bias, selective thinking whereby we seek out information that confirms our beliefs and ignore evidence that challenges them. Says Kelly, "Some beliefs are just exciting to hold, whatever the evidence."'
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on September 30, 2010, 02:55:23 PM
How much more proof do you need?  You are just denying for the sake of denying.  In moonlight people have seizures, inside they have less seizures.  It's painfully obvious that the doctors couldn't put two and two together and blamed the seizures on whatever they could think of, the negligible addition of a soft glowing moon to the night light.

I've never had a seizure in moonlight, or in any other kind of light.  As far as I know, my brother (who does have seizures every few years or so) has never had a seizure in moonlight either.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Pongo on September 30, 2010, 08:09:52 PM
How much more proof do you need?  You are just denying for the sake of denying.  In moonlight people have seizures, inside they have less seizures.  It's painfully obvious that the doctors couldn't put two and two together and blamed the seizures on whatever they could think of, the negligible addition of a soft glowing moon to the night light.

I've never had a seizure in moonlight, or in any other kind of light.  As far as I know, my brother (who does have seizures every few years or so) has never had a seizure in moonlight either.

Interesting claim.  Have you noticed any ill effects?  Irregular bowl movements, unusual headaches, or a change in menstrual cycles perhaps?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Vindictus on September 30, 2010, 08:16:48 PM
I spent all of last night staring at the moon, and I'm fine today.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: General Disarray on September 30, 2010, 08:19:59 PM
Interesting claim.  Have you noticed any ill effects?  Irregular bowl movements, unusual headaches, or a change in menstrual cycles perhaps?

I just checked my cabinets, and by bowls are right where I left them.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Lorddave on September 30, 2010, 08:22:30 PM
I am declaring that I am immune to Moonlight.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: ClockTower on September 30, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
What? There is nothing like you describe in the sentence - "it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase per se, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures."

...

That quote clearly says that the seizures may be influenced by the contribution of the moon's brightness to nocturnal luminance.


@ClockTower
What does Australia have to do with my PSA?  Are you trolling again, like the time that you said a hydrogen atom was 1mm across?  We are all very worried about your general well being.  Have you spent lots of time under the moon during your life?
Your credibility has everything to do with this stupid PSA. I also challenge you to link to where I said that a hydrogen atom was 1 mm across.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on September 30, 2010, 08:31:13 PM
How much more proof do you need?  You are just denying for the sake of denying.  In moonlight people have seizures, inside they have less seizures.  It's painfully obvious that the doctors couldn't put two and two together and blamed the seizures on whatever they could think of, the negligible addition of a soft glowing moon to the night light.

I've never had a seizure in moonlight, or in any other kind of light.  As far as I know, my brother (who does have seizures every few years or so) has never had a seizure in moonlight either.

Interesting claim.  Have you noticed any ill effects?  Irregular bowl movements, unusual headaches, or a change in menstrual cycles perhaps?

Nope, nope, nope and nope.  Why, should I?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: EnglshGentleman on September 30, 2010, 11:59:39 PM
Your credibility has everything to do with this stupid PSA. I also challenge you to link to where I said that a hydrogen atom was 1 mm across.

Look at mister tough guy bragging after he edited a post.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: James on October 01, 2010, 02:52:01 AM
This only confirms my deepest fears. Thank you for your warning, Pongo.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Death-T on October 01, 2010, 03:41:17 AM
Fear mongering at its best/worst. It seems that its becoming a trend for certain members to type a title that is in opposition to the actual information that they link. This forum is getting more preposterous by the day.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 01, 2010, 11:17:07 AM
This only confirms my deepest fears. Thank you for your warning, Pongo.
This only confirms my doubts, both of you can't understand what you read. Only the two word flash in the front of your eyes when you read the text, moonlight and dangerous. Even when the text is really about something else.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: miscquito on October 01, 2010, 03:31:18 PM
It rained here last night. I looked out my back window up towards the moon, there it was, a moonbow. They blow rainbows out of the water.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: ClockTower on October 01, 2010, 03:40:25 PM
It rained here last night. I looked out my back window up towards the moon, there it was, a moonbow. They blow rainbows out of the water.
That wasn't a bow. You see bows with your back to the Sun. You see halos or dogs when you face the Sun or Moon. Just FYI
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: EireEngineer on October 01, 2010, 07:32:47 PM
Pongo, you really need to learn how to read a scientific paper.  Correlation of lights to seizure episodes has been well documented for years.  This is why video games have warnings on them.  What this study has determined is that even moonlight can have a similar effect on those afflicted with epilepsy. This applies to all reasonably intense nocturnal light, including light pollution, a streetlight near the window, etc.  It has nothing to do with the moonlight itself, nor is moonlight harmful in any way.

Stop being so willfully obtuse in your reporting.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: General Disarray on October 01, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
Pongo, you really need to learn how to read a scientific paper.  Correlation of lights to seizure episodes has been well documented for years.  This is why video games have warnings on them.  What this study has determined is that even moonlight can have a similar effect on those afflicted with epilepsy. This applies to all reasonably intense nocturnal light, including light pollution, a streetlight near the window, etc.  It has nothing to do with the moonlight itself, nor is moonlight harmful in any way.

Stop being so willfully obtuse in your reporting.

Have you really not figured out Pongo is a troll yet?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hazbollah on October 02, 2010, 05:56:48 AM
I spend a fair amount  of time exposed to moonlight (late evening Rugby, going out etc.) and I've not noticed any negative effects whatsoever. If moonlight is harmful, then I would be in a very bad way, would I not?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 02, 2010, 06:20:03 AM
I spend a fair amount  of time exposed to moonlight (late evening Rugby, going out etc.) and I've not noticed any negative effects whatsoever. If moonlight is harmful, then I would be in a very bad way, would I not?
They don't even know what the moonlight does to you. They just contribute absolutely everything negative which happens in the moonlight to the the moonlight. You can start doing criminal activities, go crazy, get seizures, your stomach may start to hurt, blindness maybe when you look at the moon, rash, or some more several hundreds different effects and some illnesses which have the word "moon" in them. Even when the rock falls from the roof and hits you it is because of the moonlight.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 02, 2010, 06:23:02 AM
I spend a fair amount  of time exposed to moonlight (late evening Rugby, going out etc.) and I've not noticed any negative effects whatsoever. If moonlight is harmful, then I would be in a very bad way, would I not?
If you avoided moonlight, you'd probably feel much better; possibly well enough not to boast about your activities, trying to appear superior.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Kira-SY on October 02, 2010, 06:33:25 AM
PizzaPlanet, why so butthurt?
Don't you go out at night? Or go camping or have a chat in a backyard at night? I did exactly that last thing last night, and I'm perfectly fine.

And as Zork pointed out... you can say "that's because of moonlight", but you will have to explain HOW, and that has never been done.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 02, 2010, 06:45:07 AM
PizzaPlanet, why so butthurt?
Don't you go out at night? Or go camping or have a chat in a backyard at night? I did exactly that last thing last night, and I'm perfectly fine.
I simply don't approve of such smugness. It always reminds me of certain people's comments, such as (to paraphrase): "I'm much cooler than you because I play indoor soccer", "While you were learning this I was having sex with women", etc.
How is it in any way relevant to the discussion? Some RE'ers and FE'ers seem to think that such an answer refutes an argument. It saddens me that you've just done essentially the same.

And as Zork pointed out... you can say "that's because of moonlight", but you will have to explain HOW, and that has never been done.
No. No, we don't. You don't seem to feel obliged to explain how gravity works (and it's been proven not to work by Einstein, not to mention several inconsistencies between the theory and actual observation). What you claim you've done is that you've proven THAT gravity exists, not HOW it works. Ichi has done the same regarding effects of the moonlight. Read through his experiment, watch the videos. Judge them yourself - don't trust a person who can't balance units in a simple equation, yet feels confident enough to fill his posts with comments such as "egg on your face!". Also, don't trust me - why would you? Analise the experiment yourself.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Kira-SY on October 02, 2010, 06:50:31 AM
That science cannot explain fully how gravity works doesn't take away the responsability of any other scientists of the world to explain their words. That's a cowardly way of shielding yourself in the incapacity of explain something to not have to explain yourself. As my mother said: You cannot justify your mistakes with other people's mistakes.
Besides, there are some theories about gravity, there is not even one for how moonlight causes this problems.

About Ichi's experiment, all I can see is the lack of sunlight, not the exposure to moonlight. And I said this in another thread, obviously ignored by FE'ers:
Forests, rainforests, gardens, parks, always exposed to moonlight when it's nightime, since the first apparition of plants in our world, they exist, live, and grow, that alone mows down any theory of moonlight being harmful for plants.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 02, 2010, 06:58:15 AM
That science cannot explain fully how gravity works doesn't take away the responsability of any other scientists of the world to explain their words. That's a cowardly way of shielding yourself in the incapacity of explain something to not have to explain yourself. As my mother said: You cannot justify your mistakes with other people's mistakes.
Besides, there are some theories about gravity, there is not even one for how moonlight causes this problems.
There are theories which have been conclusively proven not to work. Some approximations can be done correctly, while some will result in a completely faulty result. And no, the lack of explanation from your part is not an excuse for us not to explain. However, it's only fair if we expect the same from each other.

About Ichi's experiment, all I can see is the lack of sunlight, not the exposure to moonlight. And I said this in another thread, obviously ignored by FE'ers:
Forests, rainforests, gardens, parks, always exposed to moonlight when it's nightime, since the first apparition of plants in our world, they exist, live, and grow, that alone mows down any theory of moonlight being harmful for plants.
Smoking is harmful to humans. People smoke and (sic!) they exist, live, and (if they started early enough for this to apply) grow! That alone mows down any theory of smoking being harmful to people.
Alcohol is harmful to humans. People drink and (oh my!) they live! I guess alcohol isn't harmful after all.
People who lost their hands in car accidents often survive said accidents. Therefore, losing your hands is not harmful by itself.
It's a whole new world of freedom! We can do whatever we want, without having to worry about harm! Cholesterol - disproved! Drugs - irrelevant! Prolonged exposure to low-frequency sound - not an issue!
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Kira-SY on October 02, 2010, 07:05:20 AM
However, it's only fair if we expect the same from each other.
So you refuse explaining something that can be relevant and that would make you win some discussion because your opponent cannot explain his viewpoint?
What a stupid thing, but hey, it's a philosophy, i respect that.

Smoking is harmful to humans. People smoke and (sic!) they exist, live, and (if they started early enough for this to apply) grow! That alone mows down any theory of smoking being harmful to people.
Alcohol is harmful to humans. People drink and (oh my!) they live! I guess alcohol isn't harmful after all.
People who lost their hands in car accidents often survive their accidents. Therefore, losing your hands is not harmful by itself.
It's a whole new world of freedom! We can do whatever we want, without having to worry about harm! Cholesterol - disproved! Drugs - irrelevant! Prolonged exposure to low-frequency sound - not an issue!
Those cases are not related to Ichi's experiment in a single way, besides, quoting the FAQ that I guess you support:
"A: The Earth is not one of the other planets" ---> Humans are not plants.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 02, 2010, 07:40:08 AM
Ichi has done the same regarding effects of the moonlight.
As Ichi refuses stubornly from explanation how I and others interpret his experiment wrongly then he haven't done anything like that. He only tested how plants act when you expose them to the different amount of light. Nothing to do with the moonlight and its effects.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 02, 2010, 08:07:51 AM
However, it's only fair if we expect the same from each other.
So you refuse explaining something that can be relevant and that would make you win some discussion because your opponent cannot explain his viewpoint?
What a stupid thing, but hey, it's a philosophy, i respect that.
Excellent.

Smoking is harmful to humans. People smoke and (sic!) they exist, live, and (if they started early enough for this to apply) grow! That alone mows down any theory of smoking being harmful to people.
Alcohol is harmful to humans. People drink and (oh my!) they live! I guess alcohol isn't harmful after all.
People who lost their hands in car accidents often survive their accidents. Therefore, losing your hands is not harmful by itself.
It's a whole new world of freedom! We can do whatever we want, without having to worry about harm! Cholesterol - disproved! Drugs - irrelevant! Prolonged exposure to low-frequency sound - not an issue!
Those cases are not related to Ichi's experiment in a single way, besides, quoting the FAQ that I guess you support:
"A: The Earth is not one of the other planets" ---> Humans are not plants.
Yes, you've got a point here. However, my point still stands if you replace "rainforests are exposed to moonlight and live" with "humans are exposed to moonlight and live", which I guess you support.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on October 02, 2010, 08:31:46 AM
PizzaPlanet, why so butthurt?
Don't you go out at night? Or go camping or have a chat in a backyard at night? I did exactly that last thing last night, and I'm perfectly fine.
I simply don't approve of such smugness. It always reminds me of certain people's comments, such as (to paraphrase): "I'm much cooler than you because I play indoor soccer", "While you were learning this I was having sex with women", etc.
It could be smugness, or it could just be a statement of fact.  Lots of uncool people play sports, go out at night and get laid too, you know.

How is it in any way relevant to the discussion? Some RE'ers and FE'ers seem to think that such an answer refutes an argument. It saddens me that you've just done essentially the same.
It's relevant because it's evidence that moonlight does not interfere with normal night time activities.  In fact, moonlight more likely leads to an increase of out door night time activity because of increased illumination.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 02, 2010, 08:34:05 AM
And as Zork pointed out... you can say "that's because of moonlight", but you will have to explain HOW, and that has never been done.
No. No, we don't.
Sure, there is no need to HOW but there sure is need to some reliable correlation between all these effects and the moonlight. And especially moonlight, not just light. All these allegedly moonlight issues here can be also just because there is light.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 02, 2010, 09:25:34 AM
PizzaPlanet, why so butthurt?
Don't you go out at night? Or go camping or have a chat in a backyard at night? I did exactly that last thing last night, and I'm perfectly fine.
I simply don't approve of such smugness. It always reminds me of certain people's comments, such as (to paraphrase): "I'm much cooler than you because I play indoor soccer", "While you were learning this I was having sex with women", etc.
It could be smugness, or it could just be a statement of fact.  Lots of uncool people play sports, go out at night and get laid too, you know.
Yes, that's more or less what I was talking about. The activities themselves do not make you smug. Boasting about them, on the other hand, does.

And as Zork pointed out... you can say "that's because of moonlight", but you will have to explain HOW, and that has never been done.
No. No, we don't.
Sure, there is no need to HOW but there sure is need to some reliable correlation between all these effects and the moonlight. And especially moonlight, not just light. All these allegedly moonlight issues here can be also just because there is light.
I've observed no such correlation, though that might of course be subject to personal experience. Your point is a valid one. However, I believe that the correlation is quite reliable. Of course, we're likely to disagree on this point. I think all we can do is respect each other's opinions on that matter.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hazbollah on October 02, 2010, 10:43:13 AM
PizzaPlanet, why so butthurt?
Don't you go out at night? Or go camping or have a chat in a backyard at night? I did exactly that last thing last night, and I'm perfectly fine.
I simply don't approve of such smugness. It always reminds me of certain people's comments, such as (to paraphrase): "I'm much cooler than you because I play indoor soccer", "While you were learning this I was having sex with women", etc.
How is it in any way relevant to the discussion? Some RE'ers and FE'ers seem to think that such an answer refutes an argument. It saddens me that you've just done essentially the same.
And how was that in any way smug? I was being specific to lessen the chane of any of you calling 'bullshit' and avoiding my point.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 02, 2010, 10:46:02 AM
Sure, there is no need to HOW but there sure is need to some reliable correlation between all these effects and the moonlight. And especially moonlight, not just light. All these allegedly moonlight issues here can be also just because there is light.
I've observed no such correlation, though that might of course be subject to personal experience. Your point is a valid one. However, I believe that the correlation is quite reliable. Of course, we're likely to disagree on this point. I think all we can do is respect each other's opinions on that matter.

  It took the time and multiple readings and I am still not sure that I got your point.  You have observed no such correlation - does that mean that you have observed no correlation between the light(any other light except moonlight) and effects?
 However you believe that the correlation is quite reliable - you mean that the correlation between moonlight and effects is quite reliable?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 02, 2010, 11:13:49 AM
Sure, there is no need to HOW but there sure is need to some reliable correlation between all these effects and the moonlight. And especially moonlight, not just light. All these allegedly moonlight issues here can be also just because there is light.
I've observed no such correlation, though that might of course be subject to personal experience. Your point is a valid one. However, I believe that the correlation is quite reliable. Of course, we're likely to disagree on this point. I think all we can do is respect each other's opinions on that matter.

  It took the time and multiple readings and I am still not sure that I got your point.  You have observed no such correlation - does that mean that you have observed no correlation between the light(any other light except moonlight) and effects?
 However you believe that the correlation is quite reliable - you mean that the correlation between moonlight and effects is quite reliable?
Essentially.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hazbollah on October 02, 2010, 01:24:16 PM

So you have never observed any of the harmful effects of moonlight, but you think that moonlight has an effect? Very zetetic of you.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 02, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
Sure, there is no need to HOW but there sure is need to some reliable correlation between all these effects and the moonlight. And especially moonlight, not just light. All these allegedly moonlight issues here can be also just because there is light.
I've observed no such correlation, though that might of course be subject to personal experience. Your point is a valid one. However, I believe that the correlation is quite reliable. Of course, we're likely to disagree on this point. I think all we can do is respect each other's opinions on that matter.

  It took the time and multiple readings and I am still not sure that I got your point.  You have observed no such correlation - does that mean that you have observed no correlation between the light(any other light except moonlight) and effects?
 However you believe that the correlation is quite reliable - you mean that the correlation between moonlight and effects is quite reliable?
Essentially.
How do you decide that the reason is only the moonlight and not just light, brightness? How do you eliminate all other possible causes? Moonlight isn't the only thing which affects you in the moonlit night. Or do we just leave the reasonable stuff behind and just say that you just believe that?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: ClockTower on October 02, 2010, 04:27:40 PM
It has nothing to do with the moonlight itself, nor is moonlight harmful in any way.
Even if we assume the correlation in this case is without significance, it would still not necessarily entail moonlight being completely harmless.
However, it remains a fact that Pongo's warning is without basis and therefore should not have been made.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 02, 2010, 04:44:22 PM
And how was that in any way smug? I was being specific to lessen the chane of any of you calling 'bullshit' and avoiding my point.
Unfortunately, you're doing this again - this time through ad hominem-like explanations. You're hardly worth my time.

How do you decide that the reason is only the moonlight and not just light, brightness? How do you eliminate all other possible causes? Moonlight isn't the only thing which affects you in the moonlit night. Or do we just leave the reasonable stuff behind and just say that you just believe that?
I can't conclusively prove that it's just moonlight that causes the effects. All I'm saying is that the events we report are a bit too convenient to be a coincidence. Obviously, the possibility still exists, and the probability of that is reasonable - I'm not denying that.
So, essentially, yes, I'm talking about what I believe.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on October 02, 2010, 08:46:05 PM
And how was that in any way smug? I was being specific to lessen the chane of any of you calling 'bullshit' and avoiding my point.
Unfortunately, you're doing this again - this time through ad hominem-like explanations. You're hardly worth my time.
???  A touch sensitive, aren't we?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 03, 2010, 05:56:39 AM
???  A touch sensitive, aren't we?
Much more than a touch. However, I've noticed that this approach saves a lot of potentially wasted time. After all, if they wanted to make a point, they'd just make it.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 03, 2010, 06:21:50 AM
I can't conclusively prove that it's just moonlight that causes the effects. All I'm saying is that the events we report are a bit too convenient to be a coincidence. Obviously, the possibility still exists, and the probability of that is reasonable - I'm not denying that.
So, essentially, yes, I'm talking about what I believe.
Convenient, sure :) This reminded me a joke about indians(native american) and a white men. There are variations but one I found was like:

It was October and the indians on a remote reservation asked their new
chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild.

Since he was a chief in a modern society he had never been taught the
old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter
was going to be like.

Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter
was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should
collect firewood to be prepared.

But being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went
to the phone booth, called the national weather service and asked, "Is
the coming winter going to be cold?" "It looks like this winter is going
to be quite cold," the metorologist at the weather service responded.

The chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect
every scrap of firewood they could find. Two weeks later the chief
called the national weather service again. "Are you absolutely sure that
the winter is going to be very cold?" he asked. "Absolutely," the man
replied. "It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the
coldest winters ever." .

"How can you be so sure?" the chief asked. The weatherman replied, "The
indians are collecting firewood like crazy."
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 03, 2010, 07:46:17 AM
I assure you that I'm not ordering the moon to kill people.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on October 03, 2010, 08:27:41 AM
???  A touch sensitive, aren't we?
Much more than a touch. However, I've noticed that this approach saves a lot of potentially wasted time. After all, if they wanted to make a point, they'd just make it.
Well, the point that we are trying to make is that despite dire warnings of some here, people routinely expose themselves to the full fury of moonlight and suffer no ill effects.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 03, 2010, 08:52:13 AM
Well, the point that we are trying to make is that despite dire warnings of some here, people routinely expose themselves to the full fury of moonlight and suffer no ill effects.
Which I have addressed, and I will again:
People with high cholesterol often feel perfectly fine. So do smokers. People who get drunk (but not too much) feel great, but that doesn't change the fact that their organisms are suffering from damage in the meantime.
On the other hand, cases when something does happen to people during, or shortly after, moonlight exposure seem to be conveniently called coincidences.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hazbollah on October 03, 2010, 08:56:59 AM
Well, the point that we are trying to make is that despite dire warnings of some here, people routinely expose themselves to the full fury of moonlight and suffer no ill effects.
Which I have addressed, and I will again:
People with high cholesterol often feel perfectly fine. So do smokers. People who get drunk (but not too much) feel great, but that doesn't change the fact that their organisms are suffering from damage in the meantime.
On the other hand, cases when something does happen to people during, or shortly after, moonlight exposure seem to be conveniently called coincidences.

Evidence?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on October 03, 2010, 09:13:31 AM
Well, the point that we are trying to make is that despite dire warnings of some here, people routinely expose themselves to the full fury of moonlight and suffer no ill effects.
Which I have addressed, and I will again:
People with high cholesterol often feel perfectly fine. So do smokers. People who get drunk (but not too much) feel great, but that doesn't change the fact that their organisms are suffering from damage in the meantime.
On the other hand, cases when something does happen to people during, or shortly after, moonlight exposure seem to be conveniently called coincidences.
Humans are good at finding patterns in cause and effect, even when they don't necessarily exist.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 03, 2010, 09:16:04 AM
Humans are good at finding patterns in cause and effect, even when they don't necessarily exist.
As well as baselessly refuting them when they exist, as mentioned above.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 03, 2010, 09:45:02 AM
Humans are good at finding patterns in cause and effect, even when they don't necessarily exist.
As well as baselessly refuting them when they exist, as mentioned above.
So, what base you have for the dangers of moonlight? Haven't still seen anything except for your belief.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 03, 2010, 10:45:02 AM
Humans are good at finding patterns in cause and effect, even when they don't necessarily exist.
As well as baselessly refuting them when they exist, as mentioned above.
So, what base you have for the dangers of moonlight? Haven't still seen anything except for your belief.
Obvious coincidences and accidents, of course.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hazbollah on October 03, 2010, 11:17:56 AM
Care to name a few? Other than my bragging, of course.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: zork on October 03, 2010, 11:41:56 AM
Humans are good at finding patterns in cause and effect, even when they don't necessarily exist.
As well as baselessly refuting them when they exist, as mentioned above.
So, what base you have for the dangers of moonlight? Haven't still seen anything except for your belief.
Obvious coincidences and accidents, of course.
They happen even without the moonlight. And if you go out at the cold night with the moon and don't have sufficient clothing then the cold which you catch isn't because of the moonlight. There are hundreds of more things out there which can cause your problems.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 03, 2010, 11:58:58 AM
They happen even without the moonlight. And if you go out at the cold night with the moon and don't have sufficient clothing then the cold which you catch isn't because of the moonlight. There are hundreds of more things out there which can cause your problems.
I agree. This is why I said I can't conclusively prove anything here, and that I'm only talking about my beliefs. To me, it seems too convenient to be a coincidence. To you, it might not. I have nothing but non-conclusive observation and gut feeling to support my claim, and it'd be ridiculous for me to expect you to prove that it's not moonlight. I believe we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hessy on October 04, 2010, 04:13:35 AM
In 2008, doctors at the Department of Clinical and Experimental Epilepsy, Institute of Neurology UCL concluded a 341 day study that linked epileptic seizures to moonlight.  The doctors, in their blameless ignorance, erroneously attributed not only the light from the moon as being reflected off the sun (It's from moon-dwelling bioluminescent fungus/bacteria and sonoluminescent shrimp-like creatures, the latter of which are the primary cause of the deleterious effects), but also a correlation between the intensity of the light produced and seizures incurred; when they moved their patients out of the moonlight, the seizures dropped in frequency and duration.

The obvious conclusion, overlooked by scientists locked in a rigid and credulous system geared to reinforcing their own ideas, is that the moon's rays are the direct cause of the observed seizures and not the extra, and notably negligible, addition of light by the moon in the night sky.  If this were the case, the test subjects would succumbing to seizures anytime they passed a soft-glowing light bulb or streetlamp.

Be warned, the moon's rays are proven to be harmful and everyone should avoid them at all costs.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WDT-4T1X2HG-1&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F2008&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1480274888&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c3bbe0a5e8946f2eeb34000147e5a1ea&searchtype=a#implicit0

How do you know the siezures weren't caused by light in general, rather than specifically moonlight?  Any kind of bright light has been known to induce siezures.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on October 04, 2010, 06:25:14 AM
In 2008, doctors at the Department of Clinical and Experimental Epilepsy, Institute of Neurology UCL concluded a 341 day study that linked epileptic seizures to moonlight.  The doctors, in their blameless ignorance, erroneously attributed not only the light from the moon as being reflected off the sun (It's from moon-dwelling bioluminescent fungus/bacteria and sonoluminescent shrimp-like creatures, the latter of which are the primary cause of the deleterious effects), but also a correlation between the intensity of the light produced and seizures incurred; when they moved their patients out of the moonlight, the seizures dropped in frequency and duration.

The obvious conclusion, overlooked by scientists locked in a rigid and credulous system geared to reinforcing their own ideas, is that the moon's rays are the direct cause of the observed seizures and not the extra, and notably negligible, addition of light by the moon in the night sky.  If this were the case, the test subjects would succumbing to seizures anytime they passed a soft-glowing light bulb or streetlamp.

Be warned, the moon's rays are proven to be harmful and everyone should avoid them at all costs.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WDT-4T1X2HG-1&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F2008&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1480274888&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c3bbe0a5e8946f2eeb34000147e5a1ea&searchtype=a#implicit0

How do you know the siezures weren't caused by light in general, rather than specifically moonlight?  Any kind of bright light has been known to induce siezures.

I like how the OP fails to mention in his warning that those in the study already have seizure disorder (epilepsy) and were already prone to seizures.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into the warning, but it almost seems as if the OP is suggesting that moonlight can cause seizures in people who are not otherwise prone to them. 
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Death-T on October 04, 2010, 08:26:10 AM
In 2008, doctors at the Department of Clinical and Experimental Epilepsy, Institute of Neurology UCL concluded a 341 day study that linked epileptic seizures to moonlight.  The doctors, in their blameless ignorance, erroneously attributed not only the light from the moon as being reflected off the sun (It's from moon-dwelling bioluminescent fungus/bacteria and sonoluminescent shrimp-like creatures, the latter of which are the primary cause of the deleterious effects), but also a correlation between the intensity of the light produced and seizures incurred; when they moved their patients out of the moonlight, the seizures dropped in frequency and duration.

The obvious conclusion, overlooked by scientists locked in a rigid and credulous system geared to reinforcing their own ideas, is that the moon's rays are the direct cause of the observed seizures and not the extra, and notably negligible, addition of light by the moon in the night sky.  If this were the case, the test subjects would succumbing to seizures anytime they passed a soft-glowing light bulb or streetlamp.

Be warned, the moon's rays are proven to be harmful and everyone should avoid them at all costs.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WDT-4T1X2HG-1&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F2008&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1480274888&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c3bbe0a5e8946f2eeb34000147e5a1ea&searchtype=a#implicit0

How do you know the siezures weren't caused by light in general, rather than specifically moonlight?  Any kind of bright light has been known to induce siezures.

I like how the OP fails to mention in his warning that those in the study already have seizure disorder (epilepsy) and were already prone to seizures.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into the warning, but it almost seems as if the OP is suggesting that moonlight can cause seizures in people who are not otherwise prone to them. 

SILENCE - You're making too much sense for them. Their minds are fragile.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hessy on December 17, 2010, 09:30:44 AM
Pro tip: your link is broken, Pongo.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Supertails on December 17, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
So, lights make people prone to epileptic seizures more likely to have a seizure.  Got it, thanks, definitely didn't know that already.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Apollo1 on December 17, 2010, 03:52:46 PM
So, lights make people prone to epileptic seizures more likely to have a seizure.  Got it, thanks, definitely didn't know that already.

Groundbreaking stuff right here
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Pongo on December 18, 2010, 03:48:53 AM
Pro tip: your link is broken, Pongo.

It's not my link, I do not own the web space where it resides... or once resided.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on December 18, 2010, 07:05:56 AM
Pro tip: your link is broken, Pongo.

It's not my link, I do not own the web space where it resides... or once resided.

But you did provide the link.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hessy on December 20, 2010, 04:16:31 AM
Pro tip: your link is broken, Pongo.

It's not my link, I do not own the web space where it resides... or once resided.

I'd just like you to find your source again.  I wanted to see it again to make fun of/disprove it.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: EireEngineer on March 23, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Funny coincidence, but I just spent the last four months sleeping under the stars (and frequently moonlight) and I experienced no ill effects. Then I come back and see this thread is still going.... ;D
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Beorn on March 23, 2011, 11:01:33 PM
Funny coincidence, but I just spent the last four months sleeping under the stars (and frequently moonlight) and I experienced no ill effects. Then I come back and see this thread is still going.... ;D

Funny coincidence, but friends of mine have been smoking for some years and they're all healthy. Then I read the carton and it says that cigarettes kill..... ;D
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Particle Person on March 23, 2011, 11:05:34 PM
Funny coincidence, but I just spent the last four months sleeping under the stars (and frequently moonlight) and I experienced no ill effects. Then I come back and see this thread is still going.... ;D

Funny coincidence, but friends of mine have been smoking for some years and they're all healthy. Then I read the carton and it says that cigarettes kill..... ;D

The ill effects that some here are claiming to be caused by the moon are more immediate and noticeable than the side effects of smoking.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Hessy on March 24, 2011, 05:33:48 AM
Funny coincidence, but I just spent the last four months sleeping under the stars (and frequently moonlight) and I experienced no ill effects. Then I come back and see this thread is still going.... ;D

Funny coincidence, but friends of mine have been smoking for some years and they're all healthy. Then I read the carton and it says that cigarettes kill..... ;D

Considering he hasn't experienced the dizziness and aching experienced within 24 hours nor the grossly exaggerated effects described by Rowboat/James. . .
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: global6 on March 24, 2011, 07:59:58 PM
(http://www.moonwallpapers.net/media/cache/1/1/150x150-1-1-7-11703-moon.jpg)

It's a lump of rock that reflects light.

That is all.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: EnglshGentleman on March 24, 2011, 08:58:52 PM
(http://www.moonwallpapers.net/media/cache/1/1/150x150-1-1-7-11703-moon.jpg)

It's a lump of rock that on which shrimp live that produce light.

That is all.

Fix'd that for you. Common mistake!
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: global6 on March 24, 2011, 09:34:24 PM
(http://www.moonwallpapers.net/media/cache/1/1/150x150-1-1-7-11703-moon.jpg)

It's a lump of rock that on which shrimp live that produce light.

That is all.

Fix'd that for you. Common mistake!
how do the shrimp survive on the moon?
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Beorn on March 24, 2011, 11:47:34 PM
What is this, you can't just go posting pictures of moonshrimp. It's dangerous. Luckily I was wearing shades when I opened this page.

Please mods, remove the images to prevent unsuspecting victims.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: global6 on March 25, 2011, 12:26:11 AM
What is this, you can't just go posting pictures of moonshrimp. It's dangerous. Luckily I was wearing shades when I opened this page.

Please mods, remove the images to prevent unsuspecting victims.
(http://www.moonwallpapers.net/media/cache/1/1/150x150-1-1-7-11703-moon.jpg)

It's a picture, lol, overreacting much?

moon shrimp also taste delicious with fake cake.
the cake is a lie
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: markjo on March 25, 2011, 06:45:43 AM
(http://www.moonwallpapers.net/media/cache/1/1/150x150-1-1-7-11703-moon.jpg)

It's a lump of rock that on which shrimp live that produce light.

That is all.

Fix'd that for you. Common mistake!

I don't see any shrimp.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: EnglshGentleman on March 25, 2011, 09:03:23 AM
http://www.moonwallpapers.net/media/cache/1/1/150x150-1-1-7-11703-moon.jpg

It's a lump of rock that on which shrimp live that produce light.

That is all.

Fix'd that for you. Common mistake!

I don't see any shrimp.

But you do see the light from them!
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: Oracle on March 25, 2011, 09:15:46 AM
http://www.moonwallpapers.net/media/cache/1/1/150x150-1-1-7-11703-moon.jpg

It's a lump of rock that on which shrimp live that produce light.

That is all.

Fix'd that for you. Common mistake!

I don't see any shrimp.

But you do see the light from them!

No, I see light that is reflected off the dusty dry surface of the moon that is merely a reflection of the sun's light as it travels the globular earth ... I don't see any shrimp at all.

Note: (I'm really tired of trying to keep an open mind on this...If some people are going to insist that the light originates from shrimp and that light is therefor proof of shrimp (circular argument), I'm just going back to RET and stubbornly sticking with that.)
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: EnglshGentleman on March 25, 2011, 10:58:30 AM
What is this, you can't just go posting pictures of moonshrimp. It's dangerous. Luckily I was wearing shades when I opened this page.

Please mods, remove the images to prevent unsuspecting victims.

Thank you dearly. I agree as well. Pictures of the moon should be banned. Moonshrimplight itself is harmful, who knows what the effects of looking at a picture of it could do to you!
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: sillyrob on March 25, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
Unless the moon shrimp live under the surface, and the surface is see-through, I don't think if the entire moon was covered in shrimp, and the shrimp was the only source of light on the moon, that you would be able to see the surface at all.
Title: Re: PSA: Moonlight Causes Seizures: avoid at all costs
Post by: LordMasterOverlord on March 25, 2011, 07:05:37 PM
Post a pic 100 times again and you'll be banned.