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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: LoGiCaL on August 18, 2010, 09:17:33 AM

Title: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: LoGiCaL on August 18, 2010, 09:17:33 AM
FE'ers, if there is no Antarctica, where do penguins live in nature?  ???





Also, I would like to know how many of you believe Antarctica exists because I have more questions. If you can provide a map of the version of the FE you believe in, that would be very appreciated.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: The earth is flat!ORealy? on August 18, 2010, 09:30:25 AM
FE'ers, if there is no Antarctica, where do penguins live in nature?  ???





Also, I would like to know how many of you believe Antarctica exists because I have more questions. If you can provide a map of the version of the FE you believe in, that would be very appreciated.

I like what you did with your username.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2010, 10:43:32 AM
Have you tried lurking moar?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: The earth is flat!ORealy? on August 18, 2010, 10:51:01 AM
Have you tried lurking moar?

Lol thats quite a common comment against logical thinking here.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Horatio on August 18, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
Have you tried lurking moar?

Lol thats quite a common comment against logical thinking here.

They don't like having to do any critical thinking, so just responding with that is their attempt at getting off the hook.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: markjo on August 18, 2010, 03:21:15 PM
Have you tried lurking moar?

Lol thats quite a common comment against logical thinking here.

It's also a common comment against common misconceptions about FET.  Hint: FE'ers believing that Antarctica does not exist is one of them.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 18, 2010, 03:31:14 PM
First it's Australia, now it's Antarctica, and tomorrow it will be Alaska and then Canada. Hell, I propose the deletion of South America too!.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: LoGiCaL on August 19, 2010, 05:33:16 AM
I didn't get any real feedback, but whatever.

It's also a common comment against common misconceptions about FET.  Hint: FE'ers believing that Antarctica does not exist is one of them.

So they DO believe in Antarctica? But it says on the wiki only Wilmore's model includes it :(.

Anyway, according to any of the FE maps out there if there is land in the FE version of South, it would allways be night there, right? The sun never goes far out enough to shine on the southern lands. It can't shine that far either, because then the northern hemisphere would would have significantly longer days than the southern. Australia would only get a few hours of sunlight when the entire Europe would have let's say 20hrs sunlight per day.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/dogplatter/flatmap.jpg)


What I want to know is where pictures like these come from, since sun never shines on Antarcica http://thundafunda.com/33/animals-pictures-nature/emperor-penguins-antarctica-pictures.jpg (http://thundafunda.com/33/animals-pictures-nature/emperor-penguins-antarctica-pictures.jpg)
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 19, 2010, 05:47:31 AM
I didn't get any real feedback, but whatever.

It's also a common comment against common misconceptions about FET.  Hint: FE'ers believing that Antarctica does not exist is one of them.

So they DO believe in Antarctica? But it says on the wiki only Wilmore's model includes it :(.

Anyway, according to any of the FE maps out there if there is land in the FE version of South, it would allways be night there, right? The sun never goes far out enough to shine on the southern lands. It can't shine that far either, because then the northern hemisphere would would have significantly longer days than the southern. Australia would only get a few hours of sunlight when the entire Europe would have let's say 20hrs sunlight per day.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/dogplatter/flatmap.jpg)


What I want to know is where pictures like these come from, since sun never shines on Antarcica http://thundafunda.com/33/animals-pictures-nature/emperor-penguins-antarctica-pictures.jpg (http://thundafunda.com/33/animals-pictures-nature/emperor-penguins-antarctica-pictures.jpg)


There is so much wrong with that map that it's actually ridiculous lol :P
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: LoGiCaL on August 19, 2010, 05:59:11 AM
There is so much wrong with that map that it's actually ridiculous lol :P

Quote from: LoGiCaL
If you can provide a map of the version of the FE you believe in, that would be very appreciated.

They didn't, so I had to use what I found myself.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2010, 12:07:03 PM
There is so much wrong with that map that it's actually ridiculous lol :P

Quote from: LoGiCaL
If you can provide a map of the version of the FE you believe in, that would be very appreciated.

They didn't, so I had to use what I found myself.

What you found was wrong, which is why you need to lurk moar.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 19, 2010, 12:27:44 PM
There is so much wrong with that map that it's actually ridiculous lol :P

Quote from: LoGiCaL
If you can provide a map of the version of the FE you believe in, that would be very appreciated.

They didn't, so I had to use what I found myself.

What you found was wrong, which is why you need to lurk moar.
Please ignore Parsifal. a troll, and a bad one. He can't even troll accurately. You did want you should have done. Put a stake in the ground and let the FEers defend themselves.

There can't be an FE map because the real world surface of the Earth won't fit on an FE and match the distances and areas required. So rather than face the music that RE is right, they hide behind the "in hundreds of years we haven't had time to determine where the continents are or their size" excuse. Really creative FE trolls will even ask you for money, as part of a scam perhaps, so that they can go map the FE world.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: markjo on August 19, 2010, 02:53:30 PM
I didn't get any real feedback, but whatever.

It's also a common comment against common misconceptions about FET.  Hint: FE'ers believing that Antarctica does not exist is one of them.

So they DO believe in Antarctica? But it says on the wiki only Wilmore's model includes it :(.

Most FE models do include Antarctica, however the nature of Antarctica is sometimes debated.  The traditional UN type map shows Antarctica as what is often referred to as the "rim continent".  Whether this rim continent extends a finite or infinite distance is also a topic of debate among FE researchers.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Jack1704 on August 20, 2010, 11:36:56 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Flat_earth.jpg)
How much more evidence do you want?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: General Disarray on August 20, 2010, 11:55:34 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Flat_earth.jpg)
How much more evidence do you want?

No FE'ers hold this map to be 100% accurate.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Jack1704 on August 20, 2010, 11:58:34 AM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: General Disarray on August 20, 2010, 12:01:31 PM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Jack1704 on August 20, 2010, 12:10:36 PM
Which is the most accepted map?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 20, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
Which is the most accepted map?
I'm sure that you're find all you need to answer your question in the FAQ or the FEW or by lurking moar, right? If only there were a consensus about FET or a place to store the consensus...
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Jack1704 on August 20, 2010, 12:41:28 PM
Which is the most accepted map?
I'm sure that you're find all you need to answer your question in the FAQ or the FEW or by lurking moar, right? If only there were a consensus about FET or a place to store the consensus...
SHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Anteater7171 on August 20, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 20, 2010, 01:59:03 PM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
Why would you need something from a theory that you consider to be false?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Hortensius on August 20, 2010, 02:13:13 PM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
Why would you need something from a theory that you consider to be false?

And tell us where the existing RE maps are inaccurate.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 20, 2010, 02:21:46 PM
Green Lake.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: General Disarray on August 20, 2010, 02:23:49 PM
Green Lake.

Fun game, can I play too?

Purple Fjord.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 20, 2010, 02:29:02 PM
Green Lake.

Fun game, can I play too?

Purple Fjord.
I'll play "Red Rock, NSW, Australia"
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 20, 2010, 02:31:20 PM
Well I'm glad RE ers can name inaccurate locations on a RE map as well!
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Hortensius on August 20, 2010, 02:36:44 PM
Green Lake.

Elaborate please. How is this Green lake mapped wrong in RE maps wrt to reality, and how are FE maps more accurate?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: zork on August 21, 2010, 12:26:29 AM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
  What does the "100% accurate" mean? Can anyone describe the "100% accurate" map?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ergonomicsky on August 21, 2010, 01:06:14 AM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.

Try a globe. They're commonly accepted as an accurate representation of what the round Earth looks like.

I actually have one right here in my room. It even shows all the sea currents and geographical patterns on the entire planet. Interesting, isn't it?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: PizzaPlanet on August 21, 2010, 03:01:32 PM
"Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."

It's a wall of ice, not a continent.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 21, 2010, 03:13:17 PM
"Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."

It's a wall of ice, not a continent.
Do tell us how you know that.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: PizzaPlanet on August 21, 2010, 03:21:14 PM
"Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."

It's a wall of ice, not a continent.
Do tell us how you know that.

That is absolutely irrelevant to the thread. Feel free to start a new one regarding this issue. Please remember that this question has very likely been asked before, and that using the search function would likely solve your problem.
Reassuming:
The question was "FE'ers, if there is no Antarctica, where do penguins live in nature?", and the answer is "There is no FE belief that would assume there is no Antarctica". Panic over.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 21, 2010, 03:30:29 PM
"Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."

It's a wall of ice, not a continent.
Do tell us how you know that.

That is absolutely irrelevant to the thread. Feel free to start a new one regarding this issue. Please remember that this question has very likely been asked before, and that using the search function would likely solve your problem.
Reassuming:
The question was "FE'ers, if there is no Antarctica, where do penguins live in nature?", and the answer is "There is no FE belief that would assume there is no Antarctica". Panic over.
I see you can't support your claim, again. It's sad to see you fail so often in one day. Please don't make a claim you can't support.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: PizzaPlanet on August 21, 2010, 07:05:50 PM
That is absolutely irrelevant to the thread. Feel free to start a new one regarding this issue. Please remember that this question has very likely been asked before, and that using the search function would likely solve your problem.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 23, 2010, 10:13:41 PM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
  What does the "100% accurate" mean? Can anyone describe the "100% accurate" map?

There is no accurate map of FE what-so-ever.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 23, 2010, 10:30:19 PM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
  What does the "100% accurate" mean? Can anyone describe the "100% accurate" map?
I imagine one could always ask Jean Baudrillard.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 23, 2010, 11:13:03 PM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
  What does the "100% accurate" mean? Can anyone describe the "100% accurate" map?
I imagine one could always ask Jean Baudrillard.

does that involve cartoons and 486 million sq miles of surface area?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 23, 2010, 11:46:04 PM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
  What does the "100% accurate" mean? Can anyone describe the "100% accurate" map?
I imagine one could always ask Jean Baudrillard.

does that involve cartoons and 486 million sq miles of surface area?
No.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 01:09:42 AM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
  What does the "100% accurate" mean? Can anyone describe the "100% accurate" map?
I imagine one could always ask Jean Baudrillard.

does that involve cartoons and 486 million sq miles of surface area?
No.

Can you verify that "No" by stating the information and providing the sources please? Apparently you are claiming to know enough to know to say no here. So what's the circumference? 
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 24, 2010, 01:19:59 AM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
 What does the "100% accurate" mean? Can anyone describe the "100% accurate" map?
I imagine one could always ask Jean Baudrillard.

does that involve cartoons and 486 million sq miles of surface area?
No.

Can you verify that "No" by stating the information and providing the sources please? Apparently you are claiming to know enough to know to say no here. So what's the circumference?  
Asking Jean Baudrillard does not involve cartoons or 486 mil. sq miles of surface area.  Yes I can verify that.  Yes I claim to know enough about this to say no.  There is no circumference.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 01:28:55 AM
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Asking Jean Baudrillard does not involve cartoons or 486 mil. sq miles of surface area.  Yes I can verify that.  Yes I claim to know enough about this to say no.  There is no circumference.

No circumference? so now FE is a flat square?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 24, 2010, 01:29:22 AM
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Asking Jean Baudrillard does not involve cartoons or 486 mil. sq miles of surface area.  Yes I can verify that.  Yes I claim to know enough about this to say no.  There is no circumference.

No circumference? so now FE is a flat square?
Nope.  Who said it was?

Squares clearly don't exist anyways.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 01:31:59 AM
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Asking Jean Baudrillard does not involve cartoons or 486 mil. sq miles of surface area.  Yes I can verify that.  Yes I claim to know enough about this to say no.  There is no circumference.

No circumference? so now FE is a flat square?
Nope.  Who said it was?

Squares clearly don't exist anyways.

Squares don't exist? LMAO.

And if you have no circumference, what shape is your FE lol.. Apparently you don't have a clue.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 24, 2010, 01:40:03 AM
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Asking Jean Baudrillard does not involve cartoons or 486 mil. sq miles of surface area.  Yes I can verify that.  Yes I claim to know enough about this to say no.  There is no circumference.

No circumference? so now FE is a flat square?
Nope.  Who said it was?

Squares clearly don't exist anyways.

Squares don't exist? LMAO.
Yeah, what exact issue do you have with that?

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And if you have no circumference, what shape is your FE lol.. Apparently you don't have a clue.
I don't understand what my circumference has to do with the shape of the Earth. Can you explain?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 01:53:44 AM
If you are stating that your FE doesn't have a circumference, that rules out cylinder, circle, and sphere. Hence, what shape are you suggesting FE is lol.

On squares:

Check your table button under the edit box.

Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 24, 2010, 02:06:24 AM
If you are stating that your FE doesn't have a circumference, that rules out cylinder, circle, and sphere. Hence, what shape are you suggesting your FE is lol.

On squares:

Check your table button under the edit box.

I see the table button.  It has a picture of a square on it.  What is your point?

I don't own the Earth; I'm clearly not making any claims about "my FE".  The shape of the earth is too complex to accurately describe within a forum post.  Inaccurately, its a slab.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 02:24:29 AM
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I see the table button.  It has a picture of a square on it.  What is your point?

Think about what you just said.

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I don't own the Earth; I'm clearly not making any claims about "my FE".  The shape of the earth is too complex to accurately describe within a forum post.  Inaccurately, its a slab.

I will correct my late night blunders about you owning FE. However, you clearly have shown your inability to clarify or substantiate what FE's shape is. You obviously don't have anything to support your position with, and you are thus irrelevant to this discussion.


Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 24, 2010, 02:31:24 AM
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I see the table button.  It has a picture of a square on it.  What is your point?

Think about what you just said.
I have.  Have you?

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I don't own the Earth; I'm clearly not making any claims about "my FE".  The shape of the earth is too complex to accurately describe within a forum post.  Inaccurately, its a slab.

I will correct my late night blunders about you owning FE. However, you clearly have shown your inability to clarify or substantiate what FE's shape is. You obviously don't have anything to support your position with, and you are thus irrelevant to this discussion.
As I've said, it would be too complex to describe its shape in a forum post.  However for the sake of ease of conversation it is a slab with no horizontal center.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 02:46:05 AM
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I have.  Have you?

Indeed I had. You just verified the existence of a square :)

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I don't own the Earth; I'm clearly not making any claims about "my FE".  The shape of the earth is too complex to accurately describe within a forum post.  Inaccurately, its a slab.

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As I've said, it would be too complex to describe its shape in a forum post.  However for the sake of ease of conversation it is a slab with no horizontal center.

When did you physically measure this? And how long did it take you to physically map this? Are you an in support of the infinite plane argument lol? How did you verify that it has no horizontal center? What are your sources? How did you verify that it is inaccurately a slab?

It's seems like all you have is assertive arguments without anything to back them up. The FE you think you know actually collapsed into the spherically shaped Earth we see today billions of years ago. Didn't you keep up on FE historical events? And yes I have information to prove it. However, it is to complex to post in a forum. 
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 24, 2010, 04:50:15 AM
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I have.  Have you?

Indeed I had. You just verified the existence of a square :)
I verified the existence of a picture representing a square.

Quote
Quote
I don't own the Earth; I'm clearly not making any claims about "my FE".  The shape of the earth is too complex to accurately describe within a forum post.  Inaccurately, its a slab.

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As I've said, it would be too complex to describe its shape in a forum post.  However for the sake of ease of conversation it is a slab with no horizontal center.

When did you physically measure this? And how long did it take you to physically map this? Are you an in support of the infinite plane argument lol? How did you verify that it has no horizontal center? What are your sources? How did you verify that it is inaccurately a slab?

It's seems like all you have is assertive arguments without anything to back them up. The FE you think you know actually collapsed into the spherically shaped Earth we see today many billions of years ago. Didn't you keep up on FE historical events? And yes I have information to prove it. However, it is to complex to post in a forum.  

I didn't physically map this.  I never claimed I did.  Reality is in support of the infinite plane earth.  I'm simply tagging along with it.  You can verify its lack of a center by taking measurements with an accurate accelerometer.  Likewise, you can verify its slab nature by doing the same.  I would suggest you try it.  I verified it was inaccurately a slab by looking out my window.

The shape of the earth, the information you asked about ignoring my posts, would require me to have a 100% accurate map of two infinite surfaces that are not particularly described, as far as I know, from any particular function and a task I'd imagine would be impossible.  

Ciao.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: markjo on August 24, 2010, 05:05:05 AM
I imagine one could always ask Jean Baudrillard.

I tried, but it seems that he's not taking any questions at this time on the account of being dead for the past few years.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 24, 2010, 05:08:28 AM
I imagine one could always ask Jean Baudrillard.

I tried, but it seems that he's not taking any questions at this time on the account of being dead for the past few years.
Opps, didn't realize he died!  Well, there is always a ouija board.


Gone for real from this thread now.  Probably.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: zork on August 24, 2010, 11:22:14 AM
Is there one that is 100% accurate?

No 100% accurate Flat Earth map exists. Therein lies the problem.

First I need to see a 100% accurate Round Earth map.
  What does the "100% accurate" mean? Can anyone describe the "100% accurate" map?
I imagine one could always ask Jean Baudrillard.
I don't believe in the mediumship.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 01:29:06 PM
I didn't physically map this.  I never claimed I did.  Reality is in support of the infinite plane earth.  I'm simply tagging along with it.  You can verify its lack of a center by taking measurements with an accurate accelerometer.  Likewise, you can verify its slab nature by doing the same.  I would suggest you try it.  I verified it was inaccurately a slab by looking out my window.

The shape of the earth, the information you asked about ignoring my posts, would require me to have a 100% accurate map of two infinite surfaces that are not particularly described, as far as I know, from any particular function and a task I'd imagine would be impossible. 

Ciao.
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Doesn't matter if you did or didn't measure it yourself as I am asking for the data specifically and how it was done. If you can provide no data, it shows your weakness in this argument and your inability to support your position. And sorry an accelerometer isn't going to verify your claims, and please do provide the data. And yes, we do expect you to provide an accurate map within at least 1sq meter.

And btw, you ought to take a moment to google accelerometer data, and gravimeter data. They are consistent with the RE model. And they are used in many things like electronics, navigation, and cars.  I can list thousands of sources on data that is consistent with the RE model. In fact you can head over to the Earthquakes thread to where there is a ton of data already posted that agrees with my position.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: John Davis on August 24, 2010, 03:32:51 PM
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I didn't physically map this.  I never claimed I did.  Reality is in support of the infinite plane earth.  I'm simply tagging along with it.  You can verify its lack of a center by taking measurements with an accurate accelerometer.  Likewise, you can verify its slab nature by doing the same.  I would suggest you try it.  I verified it was inaccurately a slab by looking out my window.

The shape of the earth, the information you asked about ignoring my posts, would require me to have a 100% accurate map of two infinite surfaces that are not particularly described, as far as I know, from any particular function and a task I'd imagine would be impossible.  

Ciao.

Doesn't matter if you did or didn't measure it yourself as I am asking for the data specifically and how it was done. If you can provide no data, it shows your weakness in this argument and your inability to support your position. And sorry an accelerometer isn't going to verify your claims, and please do provide the data. And yes, we do expect you to provide an accurate map within at least 1sq meter.

And btw, you ought to take a moment to google accelerometer data, and gravimeter data. They are consistent with the RE model. And they are used in many things like electronics, navigation, and cars.  I can list thousands of sources on data that is consistent with the RE model. In fact you can head over to the Earthquakes thread to where there is a ton of data already posted that agrees with my position.



I'm so sick of round earthers moving the supposed goal posts.  First you argue with me that Jean Baulliard involves cartoons or 486 mil. sq miles of surface area (a seemingly nonsensical statement), then you try to tell me mathematical and geometrical constructs like squares exist in the real world, and now you are whining about earthquakes.  None of these stances which you have supported with any data what so ever here.  And now here you come and throw this dog shit on my plate.  Do you even read what you are typing?  You never asked for data, except that of the complete shape of the infinite plane that is earth, which would obviously be impossible to represent here.  Half the things you are talking about have no relevance at all.  This discussion was concerning maps and you have trolled and derailed this thread to be about cartoons, squares and Japanese earthquakes.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 24, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
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I didn't physically map this.  I never claimed I did.  Reality is in support of the infinite plane earth.  I'm simply tagging along with it.  You can verify its lack of a center by taking measurements with an accurate accelerometer.  Likewise, you can verify its slab nature by doing the same.  I would suggest you try it.  I verified it was inaccurately a slab by looking out my window.

The shape of the earth, the information you asked about ignoring my posts, would require me to have a 100% accurate map of two infinite surfaces that are not particularly described, as far as I know, from any particular function and a task I'd imagine would be impossible.  

Ciao.

Doesn't matter if you did or didn't measure it yourself as I am asking for the data specifically and how it was done. If you can provide no data, it shows your weakness in this argument and your inability to support your position. And sorry an accelerometer isn't going to verify your claims, and please do provide the data. And yes, we do expect you to provide an accurate map within at least 1sq meter.

And btw, you ought to take a moment to google accelerometer data, and gravimeter data. They are consistent with the RE model. And they are used in many things like electronics, navigation, and cars.  I can list thousands of sources on data that is consistent with the RE model. In fact you can head over to the Earthquakes thread to where there is a ton of data already posted that agrees with my position.



I'm so sick of round earthers moving the supposed goal posts.  First you argue with me that Jean Baulliard involves cartoons or 486 mil. sq miles of surface area (a seemingly nonsensical statement), then you try to tell me mathematical and geometrical constructs like squares exist in the real world, and now you are whining about earthquakes.  None of these stances which you have supported with any data what so ever here.  And now here you come and throw this dog shit on my plate.  Do you even read what you are typing?  You never asked for data, except that of the complete shape of the infinite plane that is earth, which would obviously be impossible to represent here.  Half the things you are talking about have no relevance at all.  This discussion was concerning maps and you have trolled and derailed this thread to be about cartoons, squares and Japanese earthquakes.

Such whining! Maybe you should just concentrate on one task: Provide a map of the known world that accounts for existing verifiable objective evidence already in the public domain:
1) travel times between remote locations
2) stars patterns observed at thousands of locations consistent with GPS readings.
3) solar and lunar illumination consistent with various webcams on the Internet from around the world
4) political boundaries and geographic surveys, especially in Australia.

Of course, we know you can't do that, so we expect just more whining or quiting or both.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 06:42:07 PM
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I didn't physically map this.  I never claimed I did.  Reality is in support of the infinite plane earth.  I'm simply tagging along with it.  You can verify its lack of a center by taking measurements with an accurate accelerometer.  Likewise, you can verify its slab nature by doing the same.  I would suggest you try it.  I verified it was inaccurately a slab by looking out my window.

The shape of the earth, the information you asked about ignoring my posts, would require me to have a 100% accurate map of two infinite surfaces that are not particularly described, as far as I know, from any particular function and a task I'd imagine would be impossible. 

Ciao.

Doesn't matter if you did or didn't measure it yourself as I am asking for the data specifically and how it was done. If you can provide no data, it shows your weakness in this argument and your inability to support your position. And sorry an accelerometer isn't going to verify your claims, and please do provide the data. And yes, we do expect you to provide an accurate map within at least 1sq meter.

And btw, you ought to take a moment to google accelerometer data, and gravimeter data. They are consistent with the RE model. And they are used in many things like electronics, navigation, and cars.  I can list thousands of sources on data that is consistent with the RE model. In fact you can head over to the Earthquakes thread to where there is a ton of data already posted that agrees with my position.



I'm so sick of round earthers moving the supposed goal posts.  First you argue with me that Jean Baulliard involves cartoons or 486 mil. sq miles of surface area (a seemingly nonsensical statement), then you try to tell me mathematical and geometrical constructs like squares exist in the real world, and now you are whining about earthquakes.  None of these stances which you have supported with any data what so ever here.  And now here you come and throw this dog shit on my plate.  Do you even read what you are typing?  You never asked for data, except that of the complete shape of the infinite plane that is earth, which would obviously be impossible to represent here.  Half the things you are talking about have no relevance at all.  This discussion was concerning maps and you have trolled and derailed this thread to be about cartoons, squares and Japanese earthquakes.


This was what I call a major cry fest. Again you have provided nothing of value in your arguments, and you are now desperately pleading. And concerning supporting my position, here is 1 example of thousands you can find just by doing a simple search on google..

Geophysical journal international
, Volume 161, Pages 1-560
http://books.google.com/books?id=AXPzAAAAMAAJ&q=Earth%27s+gravimeter+data&dq=Earth%27s+gravimeter+data&hl=en&ei=UTB0TPCiJ4T58AaQpLD3CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAw

Now if I have to, I can almost endlessly post resources and data to support my position on accelerometer and gravimeter data. I gave you the opportunity to google such data and apparently you are too inept to do so.

on Squares, all I said was that squares exist. And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square. Thus, squares exist. Please do try again.

So stop your crying about goal posts and start providing data, information, evidence to which can be peer reviewed, tested, and be in accordance to the scientific method. If you can't do this, I kindly accept your resignation from this conversation.

Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: PizzaPlanet on August 24, 2010, 06:47:02 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 24, 2010, 06:49:48 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?
Where did he say anything about a "perfect" square?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 06:49:54 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

Who said anything about being a perfect square? Where did I use the term "perfect" ? Or am I missing something here? Please do try again. Nice to see the troll is back :)
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Parsifal on August 24, 2010, 06:52:23 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

who said anything about being a perfect square? Or am I missing something here? Please do try again.

It's either a perfect square, or not a square at all. Are you familiar with the definition of a square?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

who said anything about being a perfect square? Or am I missing something here? Please do try again.

It's either a perfect square, or not a square at all. Are you familiar with the definition of a square?

Wrong. We can recognize a square as a shape. Your argument here is like saying no shape exists because they aren't perfect. Can you draw for me a perfect circle? No you can't because I can go to the microscopic level and determine that it's not perfect at all. If this is the best you kids have, I feel sorry for you lol.

But hey, anything you need to deflect attention from your epic failures to support yourselves lol.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 06:58:51 PM
So your argument is that there can't be a perfect square because he can't draw a perfect circle...my goodness Mr. Jackel. MY goodness.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Parsifal on August 24, 2010, 06:59:20 PM
Wrong. We can recognize a square as a shape. Your argument here is like saying no shape exists because they aren't perfect. Can you draw for me a perfect circle? No you can't because i can go to the microscopic level and determine that it's not perfect at all. If this is the best you kids have, I feel sorry for you lol.

You could have saved your keyboard some wear with a simple "no".
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 24, 2010, 07:02:10 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

who said anything about being a perfect square? Or am I missing something here? Please do try again.

It's either a perfect square, or not a square at all. Are you familiar with the definition of a square?
Sure:
n.
A plane figure having four equal sides.
Something having an equal-sided rectangular form: a square of cloth.
A T-shaped or L-shaped instrument for drawing or testing right angles.
Mathematics. The product obtained when a number or quantity is multiplied by itself: 49 is the square of 7.
Games. Any of the quadrilateral spaces on a board, as in chess.
(Abbr. Sq.) An open, usually four-sided area at the intersection of two or more streets, often planted with grass and trees for use as a park.
A rectangular space enclosed by streets and occupied by buildings; a block.
Slang. A person who is regarded as dull, rigidly conventional, and out of touch with current trends.
Slang. A square meal. Often used in the plural: three squares a day.


Obviously, the OP wasn't talking about the definition from geometry since he was addressing the real world. Hence you're wrong again.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:03:58 PM
So in the real world, people ignore geometry??? What is Earth coming to...
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 07:05:33 PM
So your argument is that there can't be a perfect square because he can't draw a perfect circle...my goodness Mr. Jackel. MY goodness.

Try reading that again. And again, this is the best argument you kids have. Deflecting circular arguments in order to intentionally antagonize a discussion into pure ignorance. These arguments are similar to like saying there are no perfect people so there are no people at all.  8)
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 24, 2010, 07:06:22 PM
So in the real world, people ignore geometry??? What is Earth coming to...
Who said any such thing? Clearly a shape cut from paper is not a planar object. You do understand English, right?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:06:34 PM
So your argument is that there can't be a perfect square because he can't draw a perfect circle...my goodness Mr. Jackel. MY goodness.

Try reading that again. And again, this is the best argument you kids have. Deflecting circular arguments in order to intentionally antagonize a discussion into pure ignorance. These arguments are similar to like saying there are no perfect people so there are no people at all.  8)
Actually you were the one quite literally making circular arguments. In multiple ways! What do circles have to do with squares  ???
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:08:29 PM
Obviously, the OP wasn't talking about the definition from geometry since he was addressing the real world. Hence you're wrong again.
So in the real world, people ignore geometry??? What is Earth coming to...
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: PizzaPlanet on August 24, 2010, 07:09:56 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

Who said anything about being a perfect square?

Oh, so you can't? Okay.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 07:10:51 PM
So in the real world, people ignore geometry??? What is Earth coming to...

This is coming from someone that stated the following after being shown the correct numbers were being used.

Quote
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.

Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
Wow you could have chosen any post of mine and that was the best you could come up with lol
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:14:45 PM
So in the real world, people ignore geometry??? What is Earth coming to...

This is coming from someone that stated the following after being shown the correct numbers were being used.

Quote
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.


They weren't correct. You used numbers from a RE map+ data and tried to make it a FE model.
Doesn't work buster.
Anyways, it's always the case that your math wouldn't matter since you used incorrect numbers to begin with.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 07:14:59 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

Who said anything about being a perfect square?

Oh, so you can't? Okay.

Where did I say I could?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 07:17:21 PM
So in the real world, people ignore geometry??? What is Earth coming to...

This is coming from someone that stated the following after being shown the correct numbers were being used.

Quote
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.


They weren't correct. You used numbers from a RE map+ data and tried to make it a FE model.
Doesn't work buster.
Anyways, it's always the case that your math wouldn't matter since you used incorrect numbers to begin with.

WRONG! The numbers came directly from the Posted diameter and circumference in the FAQ LOL. I merely compared the two to show which was consistent and which wasn't. Perhaps you need to go back and read. Hence the math mattered because the numbers I used were the numbers being displayed in the FAQ. You need to "Lurk more", or consult your FE therapist on the problems with your inability to have supportive data to back yourself up.

BTW, you can't cast magic incorrect numbers when yourself doesn't have any to provide. When you can provide data to support yourself, then you can make an argument on incorrect numbers. You either need to provide "correct numbers", or quietly regress from this topic.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: PizzaPlanet on August 24, 2010, 07:18:35 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

Who said anything about being a perfect square?

Oh, so you can't? Okay.

Where did I say I could?

www.rif.org
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:19:35 PM
Looking back on the thread now, you can plainly see I said the numbers aren't accurate and based on my model. Your starting numbers are still incorrect.
Try again please.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 24, 2010, 07:21:33 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

Who said anything about being a perfect square?

Oh, so you can't? Okay.

Where did I say I could?

www.rif.org
Perhaps it's the English vernacular here... "in the shape of" in the OP has an odd sense that acknowledges that something can't be done perfectly.

Regardless, isn't it time to get back to the topic?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 24, 2010, 07:24:40 PM
Looking back on the thread now, you can plainly see I said the numbers aren't accurate and based on my model. Your starting numbers are still incorrect.
Try again please.
Unless you publish your model and its numbers then there's no reason to believe that your model is any better than the model TJ shows to be wrong. If your model could survive that analysis then I'm sure that FEers would gladly approve of it over the demonstratively wrong model in the FAQ.

I'm always surprised how little consensus there is in the FE community. I surmise that it's because the underlying theory itself is worthless.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:28:45 PM
All of these personal attacks to deflect from major fails from the globularists  ;D Slow day today?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 07:31:40 PM
And I can cut a piece of paper into the shape of a square.
A perfect square? Really? I sense a Nobel Prize coming right up. Would you like to prove it?

Who said anything about being a perfect square?

Oh, so you can't? Okay.

Where did I say I could?

www.rif.org
Perhaps it's the English vernacular here... "in the shape of" in the OP has an odd sense that acknowledges that something can't be done perfectly.

Regardless, isn't it time to get back to the topic?

Exactly, and I doubt they will bother to get back on topic because they are just trolling it. It probably has to do with me correcting pizzaplanet on that the Earth isn't flat when there are slopes, hills, mountains ect. It's the best argument they can manage to make themselves feel better about their total lack of data and evidence to support their fantasy world view.  8)
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 07:33:48 PM
All of these personal attacks to deflect from major fails from the globularists  ;D Slow day today?

All these personal attacks aside, FE can't provide anything to support their positions with lol. Slow day at the lab perhaps? Or is Ichi sitting on his ass and not out there mapping the world to establish this so called Fantasy Earth?
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: PizzaPlanet on August 24, 2010, 07:34:55 PM
It probably has to do with me correcting pizzaplanet on that the Earth isn't flat when there are slopes, hills, mountains ect.
What you came up with a very old cliché. The Earth is not flat nor spherical. We've established that much a long time ago. Most people in this thread don't discuss the literal meaning of "round", either. However, even if we add "roughly" before each and every of these three words, a roughly round Earth can still be roughly flat due to being, roughly, shaped like a circle.
This is what the thread is about. As ClockTower already mentioned, it's time to get back on topic. (Clock pun not intended)
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
All of these personal attacks to deflect from major fails from the globularists  ;D Slow day today?

All these personal attacks aside, FE can't provide anything to support their positions with lol. Slow day at the lab perhaps? Or is Ichi sitting on his ass and not out there mapping the world to establish this so called Fantasy Earth?
Yes, not walking around with a meter stick every second I'm awake makes me a terrible proponent  ::)
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 07:40:17 PM
Looking back on the thread now, you can plainly see I said the numbers aren't accurate and based on my model. Your starting numbers are still incorrect.
Try again please.
Unless you publish your model and its numbers then there's no reason to believe that your model is any better than the model TJ shows to be wrong. If your model could survive that analysis then I'm sure that FEers would gladly approve of it over the demonstratively wrong model in the FAQ.

I'm always surprised how little consensus there is in the FE community. I surmise that it's because the underlying theory itself is worthless.

ClockTower, I agree. And Iche, you never stated anything about "your model" when you made that comment. And as ClockTower states, you can feel free to give me your model for review.  Somehow I doubt that will ever happen.  8) Arguing from a position of phantom data doesn't make you at all credible. Nor does this make any numbers you believe to be correct as being "correct numbers".

And not walking around with a meter stick every second of the day is not an excuse. This is more like in line with the fact that you have nothing to offer on this subject. Until you do, you are no position to be making arguments on this subject.  FE had just as much time in history to establish itself as did RE, get over it and deal with it. No excuses, either provide the data or don't bother posting.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:43:53 PM
Well quite simply, there is no circumference.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 07:51:55 PM
Well quite simply, there is no circumference.

provide the data to support that claim. did you measure anything to establish that? is there a roughly imperfect circumference? More specifically, can you please provide navigable coordinates according to the FE model? Claiming something has no circumference without proving otherwise, establishes nothing on your part. Again you are trying to argue from a position of phantom data.

Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 07:53:50 PM
Please provide any data that you have measured that says otherwise.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 24, 2010, 07:56:45 PM
All of these personal attacks to deflect from major fails from the globularists  ;D Slow day today?
What personal attacks would those be? What major fails would those be? Oh, I forgot: FEers make up cool stories.

Well, it is a slow day. I don't think I've see a single piece of verifiable objective evidence in support of FE today... or any day.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 08:03:15 PM
Please provide any data that you have measured that says otherwise.

I've measure all the time, and I don't just use my own experiences to support my position here.

They are called atlases, nautical maps, gps, measuring my longitude and latitude by using the Sun to which is accurate and consistent with RE, the world school programs that measure shadow sticks across the globe, seismic activity dealing with S-waves and P-waves,(time, speed, and distance calculator), Earth's dynamo and magnetic field, and a shit ton of other sources to which includes my own experience in sailing.

I've also measured using my car and driving from Minnesota to Sun City Arizona to which was also accurate according to both GPS and Satellite Maps. You can even Use Google maps now to virtually drive around your own towns and cities. This is also accurate to GPS, satellites imagery, and the real world. This again is all accurate to time, speed, and distance calculations.


When you can provide me an accurate map of the FE world, you let me know. And I don't care if you measure it, or if someone else does. You want to make an argument, I suggest you provide me the data to support it, or at least provide 3rd party data that can equally be reviewed.

If you can't provide, then I understand that you have nothing to offer in this discussion.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 08:16:52 PM
I've said what have you measured. Not what have you relied on [a map,atlas,globe,GPS etc.]
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 08:26:59 PM
I've said what have you measured. Not what have you relied on [a map,atlas,globe,GPS etc.]

It's in there, please read. To be more specific, I've sailed from Japan to California. You don't just rely on one means to navigate anymore son. You cross check with as many sources you can. GPS is accurate to my nautical maps, and is accurate to my measurements of my longitude and latitude according to the sun and stars. When I can't see those, I either hold my course or I look at the GPS. I have yet to get lost thanks.

If you live near an ocean, port, or fishery you can ask the Captains how they navigate. Here in Boston you can simply check with the day boat Captains if need be. And if what I had relied on when I needed it was wrong Iche, well I wouldn't get to where I was going would I? It would really suck to get lost at sea, or stranded with a flat tire in the middle of the painted desert do to getting lost.

Off Roaders and Hikers don't use GPS these days because it's wrong son. I don't know very many people willing to put their life on the line for something that wouldn't be functional or accurate in this regard. This includes using spherical coordinates to navigate with.

Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 08:32:04 PM
I went on pontoon boat in a wisconsin lake once and I didn't get lost!
Another win for FET!
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 08:35:25 PM
I went on pontoon boat in a wisconsin lake once and I didn't get lost!
Another win for FET!

LMAO, please try again. How about I bring you to Alaska during the winter and dump you off in the middle of it to where there is nobody around for miles. Lets see how far your pontoon analogy will get you in terms of navigation to a specific location I tell you to get to without having to beg a local for directions or help. When you end up dead, your concept of FET navigation will quickly collapse around you as your view of the world fade into darkness. Or you can feel free to try and use that Pontoon analogy on the open sea. Hence, lets see how well you do when visual markers aren't so easy to follow. If you did get lost on a lake in Wisconsin, you would have to be a complete moron.

Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 08:42:25 PM
I just used the same proof you did.
Try again...
IF YOU DARE
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 08:47:02 PM
I went on pontoon boat in a wisconsin lake once and I didn't get lost!
Another win for FET!
When you end up dead, your concept of FET navigation will quickly collapse around you as your view of the world fade into darkness.
Please do not resort to threatening people you argue with on these fora.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 08:48:58 PM
I just used the same proof you did.
Try again...
IF YOU DARE

Ahh, no you didn't. Please try again.

here, let me help you out.

http://nfo.edu/truenorth.htm
http://www.open2.net/sciencetechnologynature/maths/measuring_latitude_and_longitude.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation

According to your position, I should get lost plotting my position using this method. Well, I think you need to please try again :) Care to tell anyone who uses the Sun at noon to plot their courses on how FE states them to be wrong?

Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
I just used the same proof you did.
Try again...
IF YOU DARE

Ahh, no you didn't. Please try again.


UH HUH. Please try again.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 09:02:20 PM
I went on pontoon boat in a wisconsin lake once and I didn't get lost!
Another win for FET!
When you end up dead, your concept of FET navigation will quickly collapse around you as your view of the world fade into darkness.
Please do not resort to threatening people you argue with on these fora.

Nobody threatened you, playing victim is pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 09:05:22 PM
I just used the same proof you did.
Try again...
IF YOU DARE

Ahh, no you didn't. Please try again.


UH HUH. Please try again.

You can feel free to test out the methods I just provided you. Clearly you aren't up for the task. Your best argument here is ignoring evidence provided to you. And your magical ability to be unable to test said methods of navigation yourself. You asked me what I measured, and I have provided you my methods and how I get from point A to point B. Even under the FE map thread, I had provided time, speed, and distance calculations for you to which agree with everything I have said here. So since you will deny all evidence providable, I suggest you actually get off your tuff and do your own measuring :)
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 09:06:48 PM
I went on pontoon boat in a wisconsin lake once and I didn't get lost!
Another win for FET!
When you end up dead, your concept of FET navigation will quickly collapse around you as your view of the world fade into darkness.
Please do not resort to threatening people you argue with on these fora.

Nobody threatened you, playing victim is pretty pathetic.
You suggested dropping me off in the middle of Alaska during the winter unaided whatsoever. Death would follow anyone in that situation regardless of model followed. To top it off then, you wound up describing what would be my future death.
It's so sad globularists have to stoop to this level. Just outright despicable.
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: ClockTower on August 24, 2010, 09:16:37 PM
I went on pontoon boat in a wisconsin lake once and I didn't get lost!
Another win for FET!
When you end up dead, your concept of FET navigation will quickly collapse around you as your view of the world fade into darkness.
Please do not resort to threatening people you argue with on these fora.

Nobody threatened you, playing victim is pretty pathetic.
You suggested dropping me off in the middle of Alaska during the winter unaided whatsoever. Death would follow anyone in that situation regardless of model followed. To top it off then, you wound up describing what would be my future death.
It's so sad globularists have to stoop to this level. Just outright despicable.
So you agree, he didn't threaten you, right? If you don't understand this, then please review the concept of "hypothetical".
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 09:18:46 PM
"How about I"
makes more sense to think of as "I want to and will do so"
Try again clocktower
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 09:27:46 PM
I went on pontoon boat in a wisconsin lake once and I didn't get lost!
Another win for FET!
When you end up dead, your concept of FET navigation will quickly collapse around you as your view of the world fade into darkness.
Please do not resort to threatening people you argue with on these fora.

Nobody threatened you, playing victim is pretty pathetic.
You suggested dropping me off in the middle of Alaska during the winter unaided whatsoever. Death would follow anyone in that situation regardless of model followed. To top it off then, you wound up describing what would be my future death.
It's so sad globularists have to stoop to this level. Just outright despicable.

Who said you were unaided? And how much aid do you think sailors have on the open sea? I'm a fair man, you can have as much aid to navigate and survive as any sailor or hiker does to which is appropriate to your given hypothetical situation. The point is, if you attempted to navigate according to your analogy, you would likely find your self dead due to your own poor method of navigation. Put me in that situation according to my method of navigation, I would likely survive and get to my destination provided I manage not to break a leg or get killed by some other uncontrollable means.


Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 09:32:04 PM
You did. You based it on my pontoon analogy, which in that case, I was completely unaided by outside source(s).
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 24, 2010, 09:40:22 PM
Going to sleep. Goodnight Jackel  :-* We can at least offer each other sweet dreams my man.
Nightt night  :)
Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: TheJackel on August 24, 2010, 09:50:59 PM
You did. You based it on my pontoon analogy, which in that case, I was completely unaided by outside source(s).

Wrong, your aids are your visual landmarks to which are easily distinguishable on a lake in Wisconsin. In Alaska you would have a really big problem with that, and I don't think you realize that. That is why your analogy fails because I wouldn't be dumb enough to use your example to navigate with on the open sea or in Alaska as a back country hiker. Hence, I am pointing out the idiocy of your analogy. hence try navigating like that during white out situations, or situations to where everywhere you look seems all the same. This is why your Pontoon analogy is laughable. And you pleaded and cried because you thought we would dump you in there unaided LOL.

So you are making the claim that being unaided here would suffice for navigation and as if that magically gives FE a win. Really? LMAO. If you can't understand why that is funny, you can't understand this subject enough to have this discussion.

Title: Re: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist except in the Wilmore model."
Post by: zork on August 24, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
I've said what have you measured. Not what have you relied on [a map,atlas,globe,GPS etc.]
 Sure, it always goes down to what someone personally has measured. There were never any other people in the world who also did such thing and whom work other people can rely. Anyone never has been using triangulation and triangulation networks are also unknown to us.
 And still, if people who support RE have something to rely on then what have you to rely on? I guess the Rowbotham book and your eyes only.