# The Flat Earth Society

## Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 12:38:56 PM

Title: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 12:38:56 PM
Can someone please post a flat earth map with a scale on it (miles or kilometers, don't care)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 01:43:19 PM
Can someone please post a flat earth map with a scale on it (miles or kilometers, don't care)

This is the best you will ever get, and this in reference to their cartoon map.. If you are looking for a real map, they will never provide one LOL. There is a reason why their maps are cartoons and not actual atlases, or maps in exact detail, they don't want people knowing how ridiculous and laughable a 486 million sq mile planet is.  But for fun I will re-post the data here so we can make this the official FE map thread :)

(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/Flat_earth-1.png)

A: No GPS coordinate would ever work on this map
B: Here we have severe warping of the continents
C: Distances between continents ridiculously increase as you get further out
D: No information or detail in terms of coordinates, or exact scale.
E: Boston is now facing completely away from Africa and Portugal. This is completely wrong according to GPS, or using the Sun to calculate my longitude and latitude.

So lets do some math based on the scale provided in this cartoon map being displayed here..

Your Faq states the following information:
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Circumference: 125,891 km (78,225 miles)
Diameter: 40,073 km (24,900 miles)

Firstly there is a small mathematical correction to make. A diameter of 40,073 Km is 24,900.2077 miles. When you take this and times it by 3.14(PI), you get the circumference of 78226.3095 miles. So let's move along here and get into more detail.

This map is 12x24 blocks, or 288 blocks all together.
Here we have a grid radius of 12 blocks starting at the north pole extending out to the edge of the Earth. These 12 blocks for sake of argument will all be equal in raidius (height). Here we take the diameter of 24,900.2077 and divide it by 24 blocks across the diameter to get 1,037.5086 miles in height for each block of the 24 blocks.

So each of the 24 blocks has a radius height of 1,037.5086 miles in height or length depending on how you look at it :)

The center Angle is 15 degrees with a radius of 12450.10385 going out to the circumference.

Segment Legend for FE map:

Number of Segments: 288 12x24

1) Segment 0 = What would be the North Pole

2)Segments 1-12 = 12 segment blocks extending out  from Segment 0 to to the Edge Circumference and ending with Segment 12

3)All segments are equal in Radius Length.. (R/12) = 1,037.5086, Or (D/24) = 1,037.5086

Diameter by segment:

0:           0 miles
1:      2,075.0173 miles
2:      4,150.0346 miles
3:      6,225.0519 miles
4:      8,300.0692 miles
5:    10,375.0865 miles
6:    12,450.1038 miles
7:    14,525.1211 miles
8:    16,600.1384 miles
9:    18,675.1557 miles
10:  20,750.1730 miles
11:  22,825.1903 miles
12:  24,900.2077 miles

per Block: 1,037.5086

Circumferences by segment distance from center:

0:         0.xxxx miles
1:     6,518.8591 miles
2:    13,037.7182 miles
3:    19,556.5773 miles
4:    26,075.4364 miles
5:    32,594.2955 miles
6:    39,113.1546 miles
7:    45,632.0137 miles
8:    52,150.8728 miles
9:    58,669.7319 miles
10:   65,188.5910 miles
11:   71,707.4501 miles
12:   78,226.3095 miles

The Area by segment distance from center:

0:                      0 miles
1:         3,381,686.3551 sq miles
2:       13,526,745.4206 sq miles
3:       30,435,177.1965 sq miles
4:       54,106,981.6827 sq miles
5:       84,542,158.8793 sq miles
6:     121,740,708.7862 sq miles
7:     165,702,631.4035 sq miles
8:     216,427,926.7311 sq miles
9:     273,916,594.7691 sq miles
10:   338,168,635.5174 sq miles
11:   409,184,048.9760 sq miles
12:   486,962,839.0564 sq miles

Total Area Comparison:

FE:
486,962,839.0564 sq miles

percent of Earth's ocean 70% - 340,873,987.33948 sq miles
percent of Earth's  land: 30% - 146,088,851.71692 sq miles

RE:
196,935,000 sq miles
percent of Earth's ocean 70% - 137,854,500 sq miles
percent of Earth's land: 30% -  59,080,500 sq miles

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We can also see that there is 12 by 24 blocks. So let's outline the area in square miles per segment (Block) by finding the values below:

Legend:

Diameter 24900.2077 miles
Circumference: 78226.3095 miles
total area: 486962839.0564 sq miles
center angle: 15 degrees
Segments: 288, 12hx24w
Sector Area: 20290118.294016666666666666666667 sq miles
Sector Sector Arch Legnth: 3,259.4296 miles
Sector Chord Length 3,250.1293 miles
Segment Area:  230,984.1378 sq miles

1:  1037.508654
2:  2075.017308
3:  3112.525962
4:  4150.034616
5:  5187.543270
6:  6225.051925
7:  7262.560579
8:  8300.069233
9:  9337.577887
10: 10375.08654
11: 11412.59519
12: 12450.10385

Segment Area Arc Lengths:(Miles)

1:  271.6191
2:  543.2383
3:  814.8574
4:  1,086.4765
5:  1,358.0957
6:  1,629.7148
7:  1,901.3339
8:  2,172.953
9:  2,444.5722
10: 2,716.1913
11: 2,987.8104
12: 3,259.4296

Segment Area Chord lengths: (Miles)

1:      270.8441
2:      541.6882
3:      812.5323
4:   1,083.3764
5:   1,354.2205
6:   1,625.0646
7:   1,895.9088
8:   2,166.7529
9:   2,437.5970
10: 2,716.1913
11: 2,979.2852
12: 3,250.1293

Segment Areas:

1:  1,604.0565
2:  6,416.226
3:  14,436.5086
4:  25,664.9042
5:  40,101.4128
6:  57,746.0345
7:  78,598.7691
8:  102,659.6168
9:  129,928.5775
10: 160,405.6512
11: 194,090.8378
12: 230,984.1378

Total Area Per Segment Block on the Map: (sq miles)

1:      140,903.59812916666666666666666667
2:      422,710.79439583333333333333333333
3:      704,517.9906625
4:      986,325.186925
5:   1,268,132.3831916666666666666666667
6:   1,549,939.5794541666666666666666667
7:   1,831,746.7757208333333333333333333
8:   2,113,553.9719833333333333333333333
9:   2,395,361.16825
10: 2,677,168.3645125
11: 2,958,975.560775
12: 3,240,782.9200166666666666666666667

To get total Area of FE, add 1-12 and multiply by 24 to get: 486962839.0564 sq miles

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In a few months I am planning to travel from Melbourne to Perth (Australia). According to this map that would be about 10000 km, which would take at least 12 hours by airplane.
Lets see...

What Airport are you leaving from? And this greatly depends on flight path too. So time estimations of RE vs FE would depend on these factors :).. Hence the same path would be longer on FE than RE.. We can simply determine this by using a speed distance calculator.

10,000 KM's at 600mph would take 10 hours, 21 mins, and 22 seconds.. The average passenger plane does about 540-600mph. So at 580mph (likely avg) . 10 hours, 42 Mins, and 47 sec's .. And this is regardless of Re or FE

The Key thing to note here is that I made these calculations to show why GPS wouldn't work at all on the FE map, as well as why I could never use the Sun to plot my longitude and latitude according to spherical calculations if the Earth were flat. Hence, I would get lost at sea, or never reach my destination if FE was a fact.

The other key note is to understand that the most significant differences are notable as you expand out to the circumference. Hence, America only gained 430k sq miles by visual reference to a cartoon map not in scale according to my calculations..(hence the FE provided map is under scale by a large margin) However, even when using this map as a visual reference, even Australia doubled it's sq miles entirely to over 5 million sq miles by visual reference to this FE cartoon map!.. And I'm sure New Zealand would know if their Country was twice it's size and distance from Australia ;).. However, this shows it to be far less of a significant problem than it really is vs if we go according to scale percentages of land mass area in accordance to the RE scale.

But let's see where some of the largest changes occur in visual cartoon map reference not in scale vs land mass area calculations.. For this, lets go into South America:

RE:

South America has an area of 17840000 square kilometers (6890000 sq mi) This is roughly 3.5% of Earths 196,935,000 total sq miles.

FE:

According to this map provided and my rough visual calculation, I got 12,977,221.3879 sq miles.. Visualizing the FE map isn't very helpful considering it's not even close to scale.. But I still ended up way over 6.8 million sq miles to where South Africa would be twice it's current size..!

So let's do a more non visual calculation and go by total area percentage of 3.5%. So
I took the total FE area of 486,962,839.0564 and multiplied it by 3.5% to get : 17,043,699.365 million sq miles!

HOT DAM! That would make South America about as large as Asia within the RE model! :)

So remember this when you go on your trip, if it's FE, it's likely to be a lot further than 10k kilometers :) We really can't use that map as a scale because their Block size is larger than what my block sizes would be on the same map provided ;).. And this is because if you look carefully, their blocks are not even, or accurately spaced. :)

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And here is some very important figures to consider when debating me on this issue..

FE:
486,962,839.0564 sq miles

percent of Earth's ocean 70% - 340,873,987.33948 sq miles
percent of Earth's  land: 30% - 146,088,851.71692 sq miles

RE:
196,935,000 sq miles
percent of Earth's ocean 70% - 137,854,500 sq miles
percent of Earth's land: 30% -  59,080,500 sq miles

If you are going to keep things in scale, and actually be some what accurate in regards to that,  you are going to have to consider these figures and how it relates to the real world, navigation, and the time, speed, and distance calculations to anything from walking to the mall, driving across the country, sailing around the world, or flying to another destination.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 01:46:53 PM
Please note that the numbers posted above have nothing to do with TFES or FET and are just a product of an angry RE'er. I apologize for any inconvenience or wasted time that may have been caused.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 01:56:43 PM
Please note that the numbers posted above have nothing to do with TFES or FET and are just a product of an angry RE'er. I apologize for any inconvenience or wasted time that may have been caused.

Who's angry? LOL. Please do feel free to point us to the official TFES or FET maps and data LOL. Funny coming from a kid that tells people to "lurk moar" in the magical FAQ.

Your Faq states the following information:
Quote
Circumference: 125,891 km (78,225 miles)
Diameter: 40,073 km (24,900 miles)

Yeah but you know that I'm just sooo angry ;). So let's see Pizzaplanet produce some actual information here vs trolling for magical credibility points :) Lurk more into your own FAQ silly kid!

And you do realize that they have to use the diameter of 24,900.2077 correct? Math, scale, time, distance, and speed is your friend. LEARN IT! :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 02:04:25 PM
Please note that the numbers posted above have nothing to do with TFES or FET and are just a product of an angry RE'er. I apologize for any inconvenience or wasted time that may have been caused.

Who's angry? LOL. Please do feel free to point us to official TFES or FET maps and data LOL. Funny coming from a kid that tells people to "lurk moar" in the magical FAQ. Yeah but you know that I'm just sooo angry ;). So let's see Pizzaplanet produce some actual information here vs trolling for magical credibility points :)

Cheers!

If you did lurk more, as I suggested numerous times, you would know that we do not have an accurate map. You would also know why we don't.
Your "numbers" are bogus for two reasons:
• They are based on a guesstimate map, which is by no means not intended nor ready for "number crunching".
• You assume RE as default in your "calculations", which renders them entirely useless regardlessly of what map you use.
I hope this clarifies the unnecessary confusion.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 25, 2010, 02:05:17 PM
Please note that the numbers posted above have nothing to do with TFES or FET and are just a product of an angry RE'er. I apologize for any inconvenience or wasted time that may have been caused.

Who's angry? LOL. Please do feel free to point us to official TFES or FET maps and data LOL. Funny coming from a kid that tells people to "lurk moar" in the magical FAQ. Yeah but you know that I'm just sooo angry ;). So let's see Pizzaplanet produce some actual information here vs trolling for magical credibility points :)

Cheers!

I admire you personally.  I thought I was some kind of champion of wasting time myself but... wow.  You win.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 02:19:37 PM
Please note that the numbers posted above have nothing to do with TFES or FET and are just a product of an angry RE'er. I apologize for any inconvenience or wasted time that may have been caused.

Who's angry? LOL. Please do feel free to point us to official TFES or FET maps and data LOL. Funny coming from a kid that tells people to "lurk moar" in the magical FAQ. Yeah but you know that I'm just sooo angry ;). So let's see Pizzaplanet produce some actual information here vs trolling for magical credibility points :)

Cheers!

I admire you personally.  I thought I was some kind of champion of wasting time myself but... wow.  You win.

I'm here for the LULZ, and watching people plead apparently ;). And I don't find exposing frauds trying to teach stupidity as a some religious cult wasting time either.. So either join the topic of debate or continue proving how FE only has circular games as their means of argument..

Essentially, this is what we call a derail, dishonest discourse, and a failure in one's ability to adhere to the topic. Trolling does not give you relevance, especially when you have nothing substantial to add.

So perhaps you can please point us to this magical source of data. ;) If not, don't bother posting.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 02:22:21 PM
Please note that the numbers posted above have nothing to do with TFES or FET and are just a product of an angry RE'er. I apologize for any inconvenience or wasted time that may have been caused.

Who's angry? LOL. Please do feel free to point us to official TFES or FET maps and data LOL. Funny coming from a kid that tells people to "lurk moar" in the magical FAQ. Yeah but you know that I'm just sooo angry ;). So let's see Pizzaplanet produce some actual information here vs trolling for magical credibility points :)

Cheers!

I admire you personally.  I thought I was some kind of champion of wasting time myself but... wow.  You win.
GTFO, I've been reading posts and even your own people don't like you. I made this post for one reason, to get a picture of the map. I got it, quit flaming and get a fucking life...
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 04:02:53 PM
Please note that the numbers posted above have nothing to do with TFES or FET and are just a product of an angry RE'er. I apologize for any inconvenience or wasted time that may have been caused.

Who's angry? LOL. Please do feel free to point us to official TFES or FET maps and data LOL. Funny coming from a kid that tells people to "lurk moar" in the magical FAQ. Yeah but you know that I'm just sooo angry ;). So let's see Pizzaplanet produce some actual information here vs trolling for magical credibility points :)

Cheers!

If you did lurk more, as I suggested numerous times, you would know that we do not have an accurate map. You would also know why we don't.
Your "numbers" are bogus for two reasons:
• They are based on a guesstimate map, which is by no means not intended nor ready for "number crunching".
• You assume RE as default in your "calculations", which renders them entirely useless regardlessly of what map you use.
I hope this clarifies the unnecessary confusion.

This right here show's your failure to comprehend math.. And you are correct, you don't have a map worth wiping an ass with lol. The number crunching is specifically in relation to the Diameter and circumference given by your FAQ son, or do you not comprehend this? And you do realize that I gave both visual estimations and percentages based on the numbers correct?.

What I see here is a kid lacking math skills, and the FET caught with their pants down looking for excuses to worm their way out of it. Learn math before you make such moronic comments son. And just so you comprehend your stupidity further in terms of math, I will repeat the following:

I'm not talking about the math. I'm talking about the FAQ numbers.
Quote
Really, so now FE can't even agree on numbers LOL.. Let's put it this way, when converting spherical data into circle data, you will screw the pooch on scale and accuracy no matter what you attempt to do here ;). And the other problem is that you have to use RE Earth's circumference for FE's diameter, because if you don't, you end up with severe shrinkage or way over expansion of land mass, and surface area ;).. You can attempt to play the numbers game with me and it's not going to work ;)

Feel free however to give me an Official map, or data.. And you do realize that this really show's how poor the FE argument is correct?..

When you can keep up pizzaplanet, you let me know ;). And the fact that you don't have a map, or can't even establish where you get the diameter and circumference for the FE from, really show's how pathetically weak your argument is. Hence, please list your magical explorers that actually went around the edge of the Earth to measure it, or even to establish it's even a circle.. You do realize that many Christian bibles say the Earth has 4 corners and is not a circle correct?

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
Yeah, you still keep using RET as default for the numbers. Meh, nothing new to see here.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 04:13:23 PM
Yeah, you still keep using RET numbers. Meh, nothing new to see here.

why are they used? because they are the real numbers...

also what does RE and FE mean?
I assume RE means Real Earth and FE means Fake Earth right?
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
Yeah, you still keep using RET numbers. Meh, nothing new to see here.

why are they used? because they are the real numbers...
Not necessarily, but my wording of the point was faulty. I corrected it.

also what does RE and FE mean?
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 04:16:33 PM
Yeah, you still keep using RET numbers. Meh, nothing new to see here.

why are they used? because they are the real numbers...
Not necessarily, but my wording of the point was faulty. I corrected it.

also what does RE and FE mean?

I know what RE and FE means, get out of your parents basement little boy, run outside and play, and stop taking things so literal.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 25, 2010, 04:18:52 PM
GTFO, I've been reading posts and even your own people don't like you.

Huh?
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 04:19:15 PM
I know what RE and FE means, get out of your parents basement little boy, run outside and play, and stop taking things so literal.

GTFO, I've been reading posts and even your own people don't like you.

Huh?
Face it, Roundy. Everyone hates you.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 25, 2010, 04:19:47 PM
Face it, Roundy. Everyone hates you.

:( I feel so betrayed!
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Face it, Roundy. Everyone hates you.

:( I feel so betrayed!

Aww, you know I secretly love you. Quite literally.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 04:23:04 PM
I know what RE and FE means, get out of your parents basement little boy, run outside and play, and stop taking things so literal.

Kind of sad when you have to point out a grammatical error when you have nothing to say.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 04:23:55 PM
I do have something to say. Perhaps you omitted it.
Oh, and mind you, those were several errors, and not just grammatical ones.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 04:26:39 PM
I do have something to say. Perhaps you omitted it.
Oh, and mind you, those were several errors, and not just grammatical ones.

Nope, you're either a 12 year old boy or a pedo who likes little boy pictures on all his posts...
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 04:29:14 PM
Nope, you're either a 12 year old boy or a pedo who likes little boy pictures on all his posts...
I'm 11.

Kind of sad when you have to resort to ad hominem when you have nothing to say.
Wait... that sentence just here... it looks familiar... suspiciously familiar...

Kind of sad when you have to point out a grammatical error when you have nothing to say.
:o

Oh, and are you suggesting that people's avatars reflect their sexual preferences? Are you asexual? Are you saying that sexual minorities are such a majority?
Also, lol Taters.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 04:32:12 PM
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Not necessarily, but my wording of the point was faulty. I corrected it.

Yes necessarily, RE numbers are factually accurate. Displaying your lack of education isn't helping you. And you do realize that GPS is stated by you as being "consisted" after being proved wrong in your earlier statements. Oh how the self-contradiction has no bounds with theists these days.

You need to make up your mind son, it seems you are conflicted. Like I said kid, all I need is a time, speed, and distance calculation to continuously slap your FET in the face ;) So don't bother posting until you can understand the math, and why the math show's your arguments to be completely moronic. This isn't something you can magically fix pizzaplanet, or ever fix.  LOL.

Funny how simply general math can collapse the entire FET. This is like taking a marker to bypass Sony's DRM protection to which they spent millions of dollars on developing lol.. Except in this case, you are intentionally, or simply too dumb to figure out why you have so easily been circumvented, and why your concept will never functionally be viable in regards to the real world.

It took me less than 10 mins of math calculations to collapse the entire FE theory. And I wonder how long it took them to come up with it lol.

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 04:33:32 PM
Nope, you're either a 12 year old boy or a pedo who likes little boy pictures on all his posts...
I'm 11.

Kind of sad when you have to resort to ad hominem when you have nothing to say.
Wait... that sentence just here... it looks familiar... suspiciously familiar...

Kind of sad when you have to point out a grammatical error when you have nothing to say.
:o

Oh, and are you suggesting that people's avatars reflect their sexual preferences? Are you asexual? Are you saying that sexual minorities are such a majority?
Also, lol Taters.

Wow, uh little boy, for 1. I did have something to say so it makes your first statement irrelevant. And 2. Being a pedo is not a sexual preference, a sexual preference is by gender whether it is both, the same, or the other. I feel so sorry for you. Its sad when a child has to be exposed to such nonsensical bullshit.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 04:41:51 PM
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Not necessarily, but my wording of the point was faulty. I corrected it.

Yes necessarily
Sigh.

RE numbers are factually accurate.
Most of them, yes.

Displaying your lack of education isn't helping you.
Are you stuck on an endless loop?

And you do realize that GPS is stated by you as being "consisted" after being proved wrong in your earlier statements.
What? Consisted? Consisted in what? By what?

Oh how the self-contradiction has no bounds with theists these days.
All I'm saying is that you can't prove a round Earth by assuming a round Earth as default. That would be circular logic, of which you accuse people ever so often.

You need to make up your mind son, it seems you are conflicted.
Not at all. Perhaps you just don't understand? Let me know once you catch up, grandpa.

Like I said kid, all I need is a time, speed, and distance calculation to continuously slap your FET in the face ;)
Sure, pa, just do that without assuming RE as default. Oh, wait, then it won't prove anything. Damn.

Wow, uh little boy, for 1. I did have something to say so it makes your first statement irrelevant.

And 2. Being a pedo is not a sexual preference, a sexual preference is by gender whether it is both, the same, or the other. I feel so sorry for you. Its sad when a child has to be exposed to such nonsensical bullshit.
What you just defined is a sexual orientation. Sexual preferences are something else. If you prefer to have sex with kids, then it's your preference. That's how the English language works. Choices are what you choose. Needs are what you need. Desires are what you desire. Preferences are what you prefer.
Also, more ad hominem. How cute.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 04:46:24 PM
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Not necessarily, but my wording of the point was faulty. I corrected it.

Yes necessarily
Sigh.

RE numbers are factually accurate.
Most of them, yes.

Displaying your lack of education isn't helping you.
Are you stuck on an endless loop?

And you do realize that GPS is stated by you as being "consisted" after being proved wrong in your earlier statements.
What? Consisted? Consisted in what? By what?

Oh how the self-contradiction has no bounds with theists these days.
All I'm saying is that you can't prove a round Earth by assuming a round Earth as default. That would be circular logic, of which you accuse people ever so often.

You need to make up your mind son, it seems you are conflicted.
Not at all. Perhaps you just don't understand? Let me know once you catch up, grandpa.

Like I said kid, all I need is a time, speed, and distance calculation to continuously slap your FET in the face ;)
Sure, pa, just do that without assuming RE as default. Oh, wait, then it won't prove anything. Damn.

Wow, uh little boy, for 1. I did have something to say so it makes your first statement irrelevant.

And 2. Being a pedo is not a sexual preference, a sexual preference is by gender whether it is both, the same, or the other. I feel so sorry for you. Its sad when a child has to be exposed to such nonsensical bullshit.
What you just defined is a sexual orientation. Sexual preferences are something else. If you prefer to have sex with kids, then it's your preference. That's how the English language works. Choices are what you choose. Needs are what you need. Desires are what you desire. Preferences are what you prefer.
Also, more ad hominem. How cute.

Very sad that there is actually an 11 year old child who would rather waste his time posting stuff like this rather than go outside and hang out with friends. I pray for you young child.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 04:53:22 PM
Kind of sad when you have to resort to ad hominem when you have nothing to say.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 04:58:28 PM
Kind of sad when you have to resort to ad hominem when you have nothing to say.

Wow, its not ad hominem, because there was nothing to reply to...I was just making a true statement...Sorry...
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 05:24:40 PM
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RE numbers are factually accurate.
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Most of them, yes.

You're getting there Pizzaplanet ;) Education is just right around the corner for you. Just backpedal just a little bit more and you might have a light bulb ignite above your head for the very first time in your life.

Can you show me where accuracy variance would equal the falsification of RE? Yeah I didn't think so;). How about we go back to your earlier posts on flight times? Should we revisit those? I'm sure we can do a time, speed, and distance calculation for you ;)

So let's do a simple example :

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flight Roundtrip: from  \$820
11:50 pm Depart Los Angeles (LAX)
Arrive Sydney (SYD) 7:25 am Wed 4-Aug
Duration: 14hr 35mn

RE calculation:

Origin: Los Angeles
Destination: Sydney Australia
Distance in miles: 7,508 miles
Distance in kilometers: 12,081
Speed avg: 515 mph
Time to Arrival: 14 hours, 34 mins, 43 seconds

Time to Tavel around the world along the equator (24,900miles) at the same speed: 48 hours, 20 mins and  58 seconds on rounded number.

To put this into clarity for you we can compare distance and time:

24,900 - 7,508 = 17,392 mile differentiation. The Time differentiation is 33 hours, 46 minutes, and 15 sec's.. Add this to the time Arrival in Sydney Australia and you get a perfectly consistent match of 48 hours,  20 minutes, and 58 sec's at 515 mph according to a 196 million sq mile planet with a circumference of 24,900 miles.

However, they could do in even less time over the same flight path going 580mph, but speed greatly depends on the Jet Stream, and the speed capabilities of the aircraft.. And that is taking the "long way". And this directly matches up with RE distance accuracy and a 196 million sq mile planet! Yeah there is a reason why it's consisted pizzaplanet!

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 06:46:01 PM
Can you show me where accuracy variance would equal the falsification of RE? Yeah I didn't think so;).
No, the measurements were taken from the Earth, so they're quite blatantly mostly precise, or precise-ish.
The shape has nothing to do with that, though.

RE calculation:
You're still not getting this, are you?

The Time differentiation is 33 hours, 46 minutes, and 15 sec's.. Add this to the time Arrival in Sydney Australia and you get a perfectly consistent match of 48 hours,  20 minutes, and 58 sec's at 515 mph according to a 196 million sq mile planet!
And that is covered by the FAQ. Read it. It's not part of Rowbotham's model, so saying it's outdated doesn't do much.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 06:56:36 PM
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No, the measurements were taken from the Earth, so they're quite blatantly mostly precise, or precise-ish.
The shape has nothing to do with that, though.

Actually it does, again learn your math.. The scales in the RE can only be applied to the spherical equation and mathematical calculation to maintain it's exact scale son. It can not be applied to a circular calculation no matter how hard you try to deny it, or manipulate it LOL... Learn what GPS coordinates are, and how they are translated as well.  Learn what scale means in terms of differentiation of circumference, diameter, and sq miles of a circle vs a sphere and you might once again learn some real science

Now if you want to get technical about "precise-ish", there will never be an atom to atom measurement of the Earth lol, especially when it's dynamic. However, FE will never have even a "precise" map, or even remotely close to it.  Hence, keep dreaming bud, you can't turn a circle into a sphere, or sphere into a circle and have it work according to scale, or being precise..

You are essentially a kid trying to ram a square block through a circle hole to which it doesn't fit through lol.. Me telling you to learn math is like me telling you to learn your fn shapes kid! LOL

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You're still not getting this, are you?

Oh, it's not me that's not getting it LMAO!..

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And that is covered by the FAQ. Read it. It's not part of Rowbotham's model, so saying it's outdated doesn't do much.

Actually it's not covered in the FAQ, I suggest you re-read it to figure out why it doesn't. Again, you seem to have a major problem understanding why the FAQ is a laughable joke. You can feel free to link me to this magical data.

Like I said, no matter what data you attempt to give me for a Flat Earth, it's going to completely fail when I whip out the time, distance, and speed calculation ;) Have fun trying to prove me wrong LMAO.

Math is your friend, embrace it and give it some love. ;)

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: General Disarray on July 25, 2010, 08:26:01 PM
Just to save you some time, no FEer claims to have an accurate map of the world, and all the ones you see posted around this site are (flawed) guesses. Any attempts to attach a scale to them would only further expose the flaws of the map, therefore they are unwilling to do so.

Also, any attempts to disprove any particular map are met with "We never said that map was accurate!!!", which leads to REers requesting an accurate map, which in turn leads to FEers requesting money to launch a mapping expedition. This cycle has been repeated hundreds of times here, don't bother starting it again.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Pseudointellect on July 25, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
Just to save you some time, no FEer claims to have an accurate map of the world, and all the ones you see posted around this site are (flawed) guesses. Any attempts to attach a scale to them would only further expose the flaws of the map, therefore they are unwilling to do so.

Also, any attempts to disprove any particular map are met with "We never said that map was accurate!!!", which leads to REers requesting an accurate map, which in turn leads to FEers requesting money to launch a mapping expedition. This cycle has been repeated hundreds of times here, don't bother starting it again.

Lmao good times. Also, I wonder what percentage of PizzaPlanet's posts contain comments about grammar, syntax, semantics, definitions, spelling, and other non-arguments, or the phrases "lurk more"/"lurk moar"/"read the FAQ."
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 08:43:30 PM
Also, I wonder what percentage of PizzaPlanet's posts contain comments about grammar, syntax, semantics, definitions, spelling, and other non-arguments
0%

or the phrases "lurk more"/"lurk moar"/"read the FAQ."
Probably a whole damn lot, but that's because people refuse to lurk or read the FAQ prior to posting.

This cycle has been repeated hundreds of times here, don't bother starting it again.
Quite obviously this means it could have been found out via some epic lurkage.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
Just to save you some time, no FEer claims to have an accurate map of the world, and all the ones you see posted around this site are (flawed) guesses. Any attempts to attach a scale to them would only further expose the flaws of the map, therefore they are unwilling to do so.

What part about this argument did you not comprehend? Firstly, you will never translate a map into actual and accurate scale according to the real world on a FE map.. I don't care what your excuses are in terms of not having a map, the flaws will be there regardless of the diameter or circumference you choose to give me as data. And the fact that you don't have this data to begin with really exposes the fact that none of you have any clue as to what you are talking about. This also show's how much of a failure this entire theory is, and how it lacks any real credibility!.. Pizzaplanet brought this on himself, and the math will always show exactly why this is.

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Also, any attempts to disprove any particular map are met with "We never said that map was accurate!!!", which leads to REers requesting an accurate map, which in turn leads to FEers requesting money to launch a mapping expedition. This cycle has been repeated hundreds of times here, don't bother starting it again.

This isn't to just disprove a particular map.. This disproves any FE map you can possibly offer me.. This is where you need to pay very close attention to the following. (and it's bad enough that I have to keep repeating this):

I'm not talking about the math. I'm talking about the FAQ numbers.
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Really, so now FE can't even agree on numbers LOL.. Let's put it this way, when converting spherical data into circle data, you will screw the pooch on scale and accuracy no matter what you attempt to do here ;). And the other problem is that you have to use RE Earth's circumference for FE's diameter, because if you don't, you end up with severe shrinkage or way over expansion of land mass, and surface area ;).. You can attempt to play the numbers game with me and it's not going to work ;)

Feel free however to give me an Official map, or data.. And you do realize that this really show's how poor the FE argument is correct?..

How many times do I have to repeat this very simple little fact before any of you actually comprehend what it means.. I'm being an ass yes, but it's just really sad that I have to lay down some mathematical law that should be common knowledge! Hence, the accuracy of the cartoon map is irrelevant vs the actual math! You can give me a damn flip book of hundreds of FE maps and it will make absolutely no difference!

So I will say this again.. FE will never have a real map, and will never have an accurate map! It's simple easy 7th grade math people. It amazes me how many of you seemingly can't understand 7th grade math.  So please go on about excuses of not having a map, I already understand why you don't.

You can essentially call this thread the official reasons why all FE maps will fail! It's simple fucking math LOL.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on July 25, 2010, 08:48:45 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*

Hey retarded mod, why don't you closed this derailed thread instead of supporting it?
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: ClockTower on July 25, 2010, 08:53:03 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*
Numbers don't matter when you use a failed model, like FET.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 09:18:10 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*

Oh please tell me you are not this fucking dumb..

Can anyone tell me how you get the area of a circle vs the area of a sphere?  Can anyone tell me what happens when you attempt to unfold a sphere into a circle, and why mass area would have to be added to make it a circle?

When you can understand that basic principle, and then understand the scales we are dealing with, you might realize why this comment of yours wasn't the brightest thing to say.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 25, 2010, 09:19:56 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*

Oh please tell me you are not this fucking dumb..

Can anyone tell me how you get the area of a circle vs the area of a sphere?  Can anyone tell me what happen when you attempt to unfold a sphere into a circle, and why mass area would have to be added to make it a circle?

I can square a circle using only a straightedge and a compass.

It's true.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Pseudointellect on July 25, 2010, 09:26:21 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*

If the numbers are wrong, we would expect contradictions between predicted RE flight times and actual flight times. We would expect millions of complaints about flights taking about twice as long as expected, and this would happen on every flight to certain places. Therefore RE is consistent and FE is not. The fact that hypotheses as ridiculous as Neptunian-speed jet streams that go in both directions or birds pulling planes have been brought to the table shows how weak the FE doctrine is on this issue.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 09:28:34 PM
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I can square a circle using only a straightedge and a compass.

It's true.

you might want to visit this first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass_and_straightedge_constructions

However, this has nothing to do with the above ;)

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 09:36:15 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*

If the numbers are wrong, we would expect contradictions between predicted RE flight times and actual flight times. We would expect millions of complaints about flights taking about twice as long as expected, and this would happen on every flight to certain places. Therefore RE is consistent and FE is not. The fact that hypotheses as ridiculous as Neptunian-speed jet streams that go in both directions or birds pulling planes have been brought to the table shows how weak the FE doctrine is on this issue.

And it aslo wouldn't matter because I gave specific speed of 515mph as average speed.. This is consistent to average flight speeds going east to west from California to Australia relative to traveling around the world ;)  I can translate that into knots and determine how long it will take me to get from California to Australia in a sailboat. And if there were a magical bridge I could determine this by car, or bike, or even on foot! :) it's all completely accurate to the scale of RE, and I don't think they like being called out on that ;)

Thanks for the supportive input :)

Now they can add math to the conspiracy and start teaching anti-math, oh wait, they apparently already do this ;)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 09:59:31 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*

If the numbers are wrong, we would expect contradictions between predicted RE flight times and actual flight times. We would expect millions of complaints about flights taking about twice as long as expected, and this would happen on every flight to certain places. Therefore RE is consistent and FE is not. The fact that hypotheses as ridiculous as Neptunian-speed jet streams that go in both directions or birds pulling planes have been brought to the table shows how weak the FE doctrine is on this issue.

And it aslo wouldn't matter because I gave specific speed of 515mph as average speed.. This is consistent to average flight speeds going east to west from California to Australia relative to traveling around the world ;)  I can translate that into knots and determine how long it will take me to get from California to Australia in a sailboat. And if there were a magical bridge I could determine this by car, or bike, or even on foot! :) it's all completely accurate to the scale of RE, and I don't think they like being called out on that ;)

Thanks for the supportive input :)

Now they can add math to the conspiracy and start teaching anti-math, oh wait, they apparently already do this ;)

Still assuming RET as default. No progress.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 10:12:53 PM
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Still assuming RET as default. No progress.

Yeah, your showing your level of stupidity the more you post. The math isn't using RE as default stupid, it's showing it's consistent accuracy LOL. Hence, I can apply this in any direction and remain completely accurate all the way around the world.

Again, you are pleading, and showing your inability to comprehend basic math. for an 11 year old kid, your mathematics is worse than that of my 8 year old nephew. And when you admit to something being consisted pizzaplanet, you inherently contradict yourself.. Circular arguments aren't going to save you from this. Grow up, get educated, and take the time to go and learn basic math skills.

And since you don't have any data on FE pizza, you are in no position to be stating "defaults" when you can't even determine the size of your fallacy to which you call FE. Under this, we can assume that you don't even know where the center of your FE is, since of course you have no data. And that pretty much sums up the total of FET.. FET is nothing more than faith based pseudoscience constructed around an ideological construct.

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
Oh, the irony!

Look, I don't know what you mean by "consisted", but it's not the word you want. Something can consist of something. Nothing is "consisted".

And yes, the numbers don't assume RE, the maths is.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: ClockTower on July 25, 2010, 10:26:44 PM
Math doesn't matter when you use the wrong numbers to begin with.  :-*

Oh please tell me you are not this fucking dumb..

Can anyone tell me how you get the area of a circle vs the area of a sphere?  Can anyone tell me what happen when you attempt to unfold a sphere into a circle, and why mass area would have to be added to make it a circle?

I can square a circle using only a straightedge and a compass.

It's true.
Please stay on the topic. If you'd like your Nobel Prize for that feat, please call Stockholm.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 10:29:41 PM
Oh, the irony!

Look, I don't know what you mean by "consisted", but it's not the word you want. Something can consist of something. Nothing is "consisted".

And yes, the numbers don't assume RE, the maths is.

Are you really going to sit there and bash on a typo? He obviously meant to say consistent...Go outside and play little boy.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: ClockTower on July 25, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
Oh, the irony!

Look, I don't know what you mean by "consisted", but it's not the word you want. Something can consist of something. Nothing is "consisted".

And yes, the numbers don't assume RE, the maths is.
You do realize that your last sentence, and I use the term loosely, has at least three problems in grammar, right?. Please add to the debate, or go back to stocking beef jerky. Thanks.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 10:40:42 PM
Oh, the irony!

Look, I don't know what you mean by "consisted", but it's not the word you want. Something can consist of something. Nothing is "consisted".

And yes, the numbers don't assume RE, the maths is.

wrong, the math only shows it's accuracy to the real world, and exposes inaccuracies . And I used that word "consisted" to quote your own words and nothing more. ;) Hence, the data is consistent to the real world. Your argument here is like saying 10ft is the distance between two points, while trying to deny it is because you think the math is assuming it. Math doesn't assume shit kid lol. The math only shows the numbers to be correct, or incorrect ;).

FE = complete fail, inconsistent, inaccurate, and mathematically incorrect, and absent of any data what-so-ever out of convenience of circular argument due to it's inability to achieve all to which is listed here. It requires one to actually be a complete moron in order to be believed.

RE = completely consistent, accurate, and mathematically correct, and actually has real data to back it up.

Keep trying, you might win a prize for the mathematically dumbest 11 year old on the internet :/

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 10:57:57 PM
Oh, the irony!

Look, I don't know what you mean by "consisted", but it's not the word you want. Something can consist of something. Nothing is "consisted".

And yes, the numbers don't assume RE, the maths is.

wrong, the math only shows it's accuracy to the real world, and exposes inaccuracies . And I used that word "consisted" to quote your own words and nothing more ;) Hence, the data is consistent to the real world. Your argument here is like saying 10ft is the distance between two points, while trying to deny it is because you think the math is assuming it. Math doesn't assume shit kid lol. The math only shows the numbers to be correct, or incorrect ;).

FE = complete fail, inconsistent, inaccurate, and mathematically incorrect, and absent of any data what-so-ever out of convenience of circular argument due to it's inability to achieve all to which is listed here. It requires one to actual be a complete moron in order to be believed.

RE = completely consistent, accurate, and mathematically correct, has real data to back it up.

Keep trying, you might win a prize for the mathematically dumbest 11 year old on the internet :/

Hey, uh PizzaPlanet, might as well push that big ol' power button on your computer now.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Pseudointellect on July 25, 2010, 11:00:12 PM
Dumbest 11 year old on the internet is a bit harsh lol; that title would be extremely hard for anyone on FES to earn. But anyway, I agree completely on your comments.

Pizzaplanet, it's like this. If we assume RE numbers for the world's dimensions, we get consistent results with traveling. If we assume FE numbers, we DON'T. Now, given this, would you rather prefer a consistent model or an inconsistent one? You'll see now why "it assumes RE therefore it's circular" is a stupid argument here.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: jimjojo on July 25, 2010, 11:01:34 PM
Dumbest 11 year old on the internet is a bit harsh lol; that title would be extremely hard for anyone on FES to earn. But anyway, I agree completely on your comments.

Pizzaplanet, it's like this. If we assume RE numbers for the world's dimensions, we get consistent results with traveling. If we assume FE numbers, we DON'T. Now, given this, would you rather prefer a consistent model or an inconsistent one? You'll see now why "it assumes RE therefore it's circular" is a stupid argument here.

We should give him FE numbers for a trip from Bostin to Los Angeles, see where he ends up :)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 11:05:28 PM
Dumbest 11 year old on the internet is a bit harsh lol; that title would be extremely hard for anyone on FES to earn. But anyway, I agree completely on your comments.

Pizzaplanet, it's like this. If we assume RE numbers for the world's dimensions, we get consistent results with traveling. If we assume FE numbers, we DON'T. Now, given this, would you rather prefer a consistent model or an inconsistent one? You'll see now why "it assumes RE therefore it's circular" is a stupid argument here.

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest he was, but rather on his way to earning it ;).. And yes, it was a bit harsh. So I will try and refrain from doing so in the future :) Besides, my grammar is indeed horrible. :P

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 25, 2010, 11:14:05 PM
Dumbest 11 year old on the internet is a bit harsh lol; that title would be extremely hard for anyone on FES to earn. But anyway, I agree completely on your comments.

Pizzaplanet, it's like this. If we assume RE numbers for the world's dimensions, we get consistent results with traveling. If we assume FE numbers, we DON'T. Now, given this, would you rather prefer a consistent model or an inconsistent one? You'll see now why "it assumes RE therefore it's circular" is a stupid argument here.

We should give him FE numbers for a trip from Bostin to Los Angeles, see where he ends up :)

LOL, or send him on a sail boat with nothing more than FE maps to plot his course ;). And we can watch him via GPS tracking! I would love to see that fiasco, and if he get's into trouble, the GPS tracking will allow us to save his ass.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 25, 2010, 11:54:45 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest he was, but rather on his way to earning it ;).. And yes, it was a bit harsh. So I will try and refrain from doing so in the future :) Besides, my grammar is indeed horrible. :P

LOL, or send him on a sail boat with nothing more than FE maps to plot his course ;). And we can watch him via GPS tracking! I would love to see that fiasco, and if he get's into trouble, the GPS tracking will allow us to save his ass.
I will gladly accept the challenge, as long as you're financing it. That, of course, includes a group of people who could sail a boat.

We should give him FE numbers for a trip from Bostin to Los Angeles, see where he ends up :)
FE numbers? You mean you actually have them? By all means, let me see!

Dumbest 11 year old on the internet is a bit harsh lol; that title would be extremely hard for anyone on FES to earn. But anyway, I agree completely on your comments.

Pizzaplanet, it's like this. If we assume RE numbers for the world's dimensions, we get consistent results with traveling. If we assume FE numbers, we DON'T. Now, given this, would you rather prefer a consistent model or an inconsistent one? You'll see now why "it assumes RE therefore it's circular" is a stupid argument here.
There are no FE or RE measurements of the Earth. There are measurements of the Earth. The fact that FE maps are, frankly, shit, has been pointed out numerous times. TheJackel's main argument is that in order to prove RE you can verify the GPS using the GPS, but only when assuming a RE, and that is circular logic, in at least two ways.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Pseudointellect on July 26, 2010, 12:00:58 AM
FE numbers? You mean you actually have them? By all means, let me see!

I've never said this before, but please lurk more and read the FAQ.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 26, 2010, 06:33:19 AM
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I will gladly accept the challenge, as long as you're financing it. That, of course, includes a group of people who could sail a boat.

That's not how that would work ;) If you have to rely on a group of people to get you somewhere, you equal fail. As far as financing goes, get a job and put your foot where your mouth is ;) Hence, I didn't need financing from someone else to do it, or to hold my hand.

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FE numbers? You mean you actually have them? By all means, let me see!

If you are going to tell people to lurk more into your FAQ, the numbers are there and you have a map in your FAQ. If you are going to say there are no numbers, then you have proven your own FAQ useless, and irrelevant. Hence, your FE has no base to support itself and is thus self collapsing as a theory.

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There are no FE or RE measurements of the Earth. There are measurements of the Earth. The fact that FE maps are, frankly, shit, has been pointed out numerous times. TheJackel's main argument is that in order to prove RE you can verify the GPS using the GPS, but only when assuming a RE, and that is circular logic, in at least two ways.

This of course is entirely false, and all you are doing here is rejecting information and data to support your circular denial of reality. Hence, I  had made measurements more than once for you. And you can do it yourself with a GPS as I had instructed you to do before. Your failure to comprehend the math, a GPS, my measurements, other peoples measurements around the world ect is not winning you brownie points in this discussion. We can do the measurement game all year long Pizzaplanet and I will be correct and accurate 100% of the time.. Hence, you are not going to win that argument, and the sooner you realize this the better. So I will say this again, you will never fit the real world on to an FE map and ever have it be even close to accurate. You will never get an accurate measurement using a FE map of any kind ;) It's really that simple.

Perhaps we should open a measurement thread where I will do a measurement twice a week lol.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 26, 2010, 06:39:45 AM
You have measured the Earth for me? Like, actually drove a car around and took measurements; all that just for me?
My, a simple flower would suffice.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: trig on July 26, 2010, 08:36:41 AM
I will gladly accept the challenge, as long as you're financing it. That, of course, includes a group of people who could sail a boat.
I will gladly call out your hypocrisy: you have the means to make a map of a small part of Earth, using the same techniques as so many people used before GPS. With minimal equipment, using the stars as reference points, (using only stars close to the zenith, in case you are one of the few who have not decried Bendy Light), and using relatively inexpensive equipment, like a small telescope and a lead plumb, and the odometer of your car.

You are ecstatic when people suggest expensive trips, just as the other "FE theorists", because then you can cry out loud about the World's lack of collaboration with you. But even if I want to get financing for non-esoteric research I am the one who has to show I can do the research once I have the money.

So, do not cry about the lack of good FE maps. Make a map of the immediate vicinity of your home, with the precise relative position of a few big landmarks, and you will show you are worthy of consideration for financing towards a bigger map. Use GPS, or do not use it, but just do your homework before asking for financing.

Showing your total lack of capacity to chart anything is not the way to get a grant to chart big parts of the Earth.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 26, 2010, 08:28:25 PM
You have measured the Earth for me? Like, actually drove a car around and took measurements; all that just for me?
My, a simple flower would suffice.

Actually I have, you simply ignore it.. I've been using GPS for over 13 years, and I've been sailing for 25 years. Your problem is your inability to do this yourself. Hence, you actually expect others to provide you information to which you will just simply ignore or deny..  Seriously, why do you think I told you to get off your lazy spoon fed ass to do something interactive and educational. At this point, all you are doing is playing a game of denial while proving your unwillingness to actually do it yourself. Hence, a simple walk to your local mall would suffice.

I can play the measuring game all day PizzaPlanet and win this argument, and that is something you seem to be having a hard time coping with. My calculations will never be inconsistent in this regard ;).

And as the posts suggests, put your foot where your mouth is and actually do something constructive. A simple visit to your local Peer, or Sports shop might help you grasp why GPS is used by so many people.. It's a Hikers best friend, and a back country hunters guide because it's that damn accurate!

Google Maps, and Google World is also deadly accurate and you can even zoom on to your own street and virtually navigate them. I can put the GPS coordinates from my hand held from where I am standing right now and have it come up exactly where I am online.. There is a ton of things you can do to test the system ;).

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 09:03:09 AM
You have measured the Earth for me? Like, actually drove a car around and took measurements; all that just for me?
My, a simple flower would suffice.

Actually I have, you simply ignore it.. I've been using GPS for over 13 years, and I've been sailing for 25 years. Your problem is your inability to do this yourself. Hence, you actually expect others to provide you information to which you will just simply ignore or deny..  Seriously, why do you think I told you to get off your lazy spoon fed ass to do something interactive and educational. At this point, all you are doing is playing a game of denial while proving your unwillingness to actually do it yourself. Hence, a simple walk to your local mall would suffice.

I can play the measuring game all day PizzaPlanet and win this argument, and that is something you seem to be having a hard time coping with. My calculations will never be inconsistent in this regard ;).

And as the posts suggests, put your foot where your mouth is and actually do something constructive. A simple visit to your local Peer, or Sports shop might help you grasp why GPS is used by so many people.. It's a Hikers best friend, and a back country hunters guide because it's that damn accurate!

Google Maps, and Google World is also deadly accurate and you can even zoom on to your own street and virtually navigate them. I can put the GPS coordinates from my hand held from where I am standing right now and have it come up exactly where I am online.. There is a ton of things you can do to test the system ;).

I still love all the smiley faces and long paragraphs Jackel posts even in regards to a simple sentence. Then the colorful ways he insults people, it just gets me all giddy.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: markjo on July 27, 2010, 09:15:44 AM
I still love all the smiley faces and long paragraphs Jackel posts even in regards to a simple sentence. Then the colorful ways he insults people, it just gets me all giddy.

It's almost like he's flirting.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on July 27, 2010, 09:22:04 AM
With disaster.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: markjo on July 27, 2010, 09:27:16 AM
Hmmm...

It seems like there's a song in there somewhere...

Nah.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: trig on July 27, 2010, 09:58:01 AM
Hmmm...

It seems like there's a song in there somewhere...

Nah.
The song would start with "Get your ass off the couch, do some science don't slouch, the Earth you can measure, learn navigation not leasure".
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 04:51:47 PM
I suppose once an FE believer gets owned, all they have left is circular games and derailment. I really don't give a fuck if they find it offensive or insulting, it's constructive criticism at best.. Think of Hell's Kitchen. If you can't handle the heat kids, get out of the kitchen and stop making excuses for your own failures. ;D

When it comes down to it, FE is a mathematical fail, and always will be. What really pisses the FE people off is that they know it is a failure, and they know that they could never create a real map with any sort of accuracy to the real world. But I guess religious clinging is all they need to ignore reality :/

Thus I would label the album "7th Grade Math".

Track 1: Circle
Track 2: Sphere
Track 3: Diameter
Track 4: Circumference
Track 5: Area
Track 6: Scale
Track 7: Mathematics
Track 8: Time
Track 9: Speed
Track 10: Distance
Track 11: Measurement
Track 12: Calculation
Track 13: Consistency
Track 14: Accuracy
Track 15: 196 million sq miles
Track 15: NO SHIT!, It's Round.
Track 16: FE Fail

This will be the greatest album to ever be mentioned on this website ;)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on July 27, 2010, 04:54:55 PM
Earth is not a sphere in RET but of course you're too busy with albulms and emotes to realize that  ;)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 05:08:26 PM
Earth is not a sphere in RET but of course you're too busy with albulms and emotes to realize that  ;)

It's not technically a perfect sphere, but it is spherical in shape (round if you like more fitting words).. But I will make sure the song makes note of that. And would this play at being technically literal magically make FE any more real? Yeah, NO!. On with your useless circular games then, it's all you've got left  ;D

You FE kids must really hate me right now, and you may as well pull down your Geography section since it can't even pass the basic math test lol.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on July 27, 2010, 05:13:38 PM
Ok so enough musical career nonsense (can you add an ode to Ichi track  :P)

You still haven't acknowledged that you're using incorrect FE numbers for your math.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 05:17:08 PM
You could never give me correct FE numbers lol. Nice try though :)

When you can learn 7th grade math to understand why FE will never work, you will understand why your comment here is entirely laughable.. And since you have no data, you can't even state that I don't have the correct numbers!

Plus, I think you missed that part where you have to use the Earth's circumference as your diameter in order to maintain any sort of scale at all!. If you understood the math, you would understand why this is a joke. So don't sit there telling me I don't have the correct numbers son, you are in no position to be making that statement.

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Earth is not a sphere in RET but of course you're too busy with albulms and emotes to realize that
BTW, I don't know what albulms are. Perhaps you meant albums? So much for trying to be cute about the Earth being a sphere.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on July 27, 2010, 05:23:46 PM
You can't ever give me correct FE numbers lol. Nice try though :)

Just :) becuase I don't have correct :-X numbers doesn't mean you :D can use random/incorrect ones and call it proof.  ;)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 05:31:59 PM
You can't ever give me correct FE numbers lol. Nice try though :)

Just :) becuase I don't have correct :-X numbers doesn't mean you :D can use random/incorrect ones and call it proof.  ;)

Someone here has an obvious problem with understanding scale LOL. There is a reason for this, and you might just want to figure out what that is, and why.   :-*

Please take the time to review Track numbers 1 - 6
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: ClockTower on July 27, 2010, 05:34:00 PM
You can't ever give me correct FE numbers lol. Nice try though :)

Just :) becuase I don't have correct :-X numbers doesn't mean you :D can use random/incorrect ones and call it proof.  ;)
But why should we use a model that doesn't have the ability to predict how far two places are apart?

I suggest that he did the best based on the FAQ that he could. It seems that he's shown very well the basic notion of a "U. N. Logo" projection is false.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on July 27, 2010, 05:46:28 PM
Why do I bother trying  ::) Once again, I'm not arguing your math.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 06:06:05 PM
Why do I bother trying  ::) Once again, I'm not arguing your math.

Let me put it this way so you better understand the consequences of scale here. It's not just the math, but also the distribution of mass area vs land mass area vs sea/ocean area vs the real world. So If I were to take figures lower than what is posted in the FE FAQ, Places like Alaska would shrink while you tried to compensate for mass area expansion as you get further out towards the circumference.. However with the current numbers, Alaska is actually under scale, or nearly under scale already while places like South America are massively over scale. Hence it's not just the math, but the physical impossibility to ever make FE work! You can't make it any smaller or larger as it is now without screwing it up even more than it already is.

Thus FE will never have a real map. You can spend the rest of your living days trying to create a map to actual scale and never accomplish it. It's really that simple. And if I were wrong, I would have seen it in the math alone.

So what numbers could they ever possibly give me to make FE work? The answer is none, and this is because it will NEVER WORK!

I basically killed the entire FE theory with "7th grade math". Hence, this is like circumventing Sony's multi-million dollar DRM with a simple 45 cent marker. And you people think these corps are actually smart enough to maintain a global conspiracy lol.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 08:42:52 PM
Why do I bother trying  ::) Once again, I'm not arguing your math.

Let me put it this way so you better understand the consequences of scale here. It's not just the math, but also the distribution of mass area vs land mass area vs sea/ocean area vs the real world. So If I were to take figures lower than what is posted in the FE FAQ, Places like Alaska would shrink while you tried to compensate for mass area expansion as you get further out towards the circumference.. However with the current numbers, Alaska is actually under scale, or nearly under scale already while places like South America are massively over scale. Hence it's not just the math, but the physical impossibility to ever make FE work! You can't make it any smaller or larger as it is now without screwing it up even more than it already is.

Thus FE will never have a real map. You can spend the rest of your living days trying to create a map to actual scale and never accomplish it. It's really that simple. And if I were wrong, I would have seen it in the math alone.

So what numbers could they ever possibly give me to make FE work? The answer is none, and this is because it will NEVER WORK!

I basically killed the entire FE theory with "7th grade math". Hence, this is like circumventing Sony's multi-million dollar DRM with a simple 45 cent marker. And you people think these corps are actually smart enough to maintain a global conspiracy lol.

This is like poking fun at someone who makes a spelling error in a post, just because a map is made does not means all FE'rs believe in it or justify its actual proportions, its just to give the idea of an outer perspective of the world in their eyes.

Seriously, I'm all for bashing FE'rs logic but not when its nitpicking at the dumbest little details......

And I love Ichi :(.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 09:03:45 PM
Why do I bother trying  ::) Once again, I'm not arguing your math.

Let me put it this way so you better understand the consequences of scale here. It's not just the math, but also the distribution of mass area vs land mass area vs sea/ocean area vs the real world. So If I were to take figures lower than what is posted in the FE FAQ, Places like Alaska would shrink while you tried to compensate for mass area expansion as you get further out towards the circumference.. However with the current numbers, Alaska is actually under scale, or nearly under scale already while places like South America are massively over scale. Hence it's not just the math, but the physical impossibility to ever make FE work! You can't make it any smaller or larger as it is now without screwing it up even more than it already is.

Thus FE will never have a real map. You can spend the rest of your living days trying to create a map to actual scale and never accomplish it. It's really that simple. And if I were wrong, I would have seen it in the math alone.

So what numbers could they ever possibly give me to make FE work? The answer is none, and this is because it will NEVER WORK!

I basically killed the entire FE theory with "7th grade math". Hence, this is like circumventing Sony's multi-million dollar DRM with a simple 45 cent marker. And you people think these corps are actually smart enough to maintain a global conspiracy lol.

This is like poking fun at someone who makes a spelling error in a post, just because a map is made does not means all FE'rs believe in it or justify its actual proportions, its just to give the idea of an outer perspective of the world in their eyes.

Seriously, I'm all for bashing FE'rs logic but not when its nitpicking at the dumbest little details......

And I love Ichi :(.

I wasn't poking fun at him for his spelling error, I was pointing out his hypocrisy.. Thus I wasn't nitpicking, he was. ;)  Such things are irrelevant to the discussion, and I thought we were over with playing that game a while back. And again, it doesn't matter what proportions they attempt to use, it will never work. This means their perspective is a physical impossibility according to actual scale and proportions. Sure it's wonderful to fantasize, but to believe it without even substantiating it is nothing more than faith based pseudoscience. To clarify this, if they can't even know the diameter and circumference of their supposed theory, the have no base to even suggest it's even a circle or even flat!. They have no base to support the entire sum total of their theory! Thus, this FE theory self-collapses and proves how much it's based on assumption and faith. The argument that nobody agrees on something posted in the FAQ shows exactly how weak FE is, and why it's solely reliant on circular arguments and conspiracy theories to give it magical support.

So let's cut the BS and simply say FE = WRONG!, inaccurate, inconsistent, faith based, lacks any real data, is mathematically incorrect, relies on circular arguments, relies on conspiracy theory, and can't stand up to scrutiny.

Sorry, I lack sympathy for people that mindless follow ideological constructs out of blind faith. :/ This doesn't make them bad people, but rather misinformed. Sorry for the Hell's Kitchen approach, but it keeps circular arguments to a minimum.

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 09:05:31 PM
Why do I bother trying  ::) Once again, I'm not arguing your math.

Let me put it this way so you better understand the consequences of scale here. It's not just the math, but also the distribution of mass area vs land mass area vs sea/ocean area vs the real world. So If I were to take figures lower than what is posted in the FE FAQ, Places like Alaska would shrink while you tried to compensate for mass area expansion as you get further out towards the circumference.. However with the current numbers, Alaska is actually under scale, or nearly under scale already while places like South America are massively over scale. Hence it's not just the math, but the physical impossibility to ever make FE work! You can't make it any smaller or larger as it is now without screwing it up even more than it already is.

Thus FE will never have a real map. You can spend the rest of your living days trying to create a map to actual scale and never accomplish it. It's really that simple. And if I were wrong, I would have seen it in the math alone.

So what numbers could they ever possibly give me to make FE work? The answer is none, and this is because it will NEVER WORK!

I basically killed the entire FE theory with "7th grade math". Hence, this is like circumventing Sony's multi-million dollar DRM with a simple 45 cent marker. And you people think these corps are actually smart enough to maintain a global conspiracy lol.

This is like poking fun at someone who makes a spelling error in a post, just because a map is made does not means all FE'rs believe in it or justify its actual proportions, its just to give the idea of an outer perspective of the world in their eyes.

Seriously, I'm all for bashing FE'rs logic but not when its nitpicking at the dumbest little details......

And I love Ichi :(.

I wasn't poking fun at him for his spelling error, I was pointing out his hypocrisy.. Thus I wasn't nitpicking, he was. ;)  Such things are irrelevant to the discussion, and I thought we were over with playing that game a while back. And again, it doesn't matter what proportions they attempt to use, it will never work. This means their perspective is a physical impossibility according to actual scale and proportions. Sure it's wonderful to fantasize, but to believe it without even substantiating it is nothing more than faith based pseudoscience. To clarify this, if they can't even know the diameter and circumference of their supposed theory, the have no base to even suggest it's even a circle or even flat!. They have no base to support the entire sum total of their theory! Thus, this FE theory self-collapses and proves how much it's based on assumption and faith. The argument that nobody agrees on something posted in the FAQ shows exactly how weak FE is, and why it's solely reliant on circular arguments and conspiracy theories to give it magical support.

So let's cut the BS and simply say FE = WRONG!, inaccurate, inconsistent, faith based, lacks any real data, is mathematically incorrect, relies on circular arguments, relies on conspiracy theory, and can't stand up to scrutiny.

I wonder how many times I can type just a few sentences and for him to still have enough time to type an entire paragraph that is completely irrelevant to my point. Anyone else wanna see since this thread already got derailed pretty hard?
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 09:22:46 PM
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I wonder how many times I can type just a few sentences and for him to still have enough time to type an entire paragraph that is completely irrelevant to my point. Anyone else wanna see since this thread already got derailed pretty hard?

No, I understood your point, and it's irrelevant to the subject. Please try staying on topic. Do you have anything worth adding to the subject to which is worth anything?

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 09:31:26 PM
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I wonder how many times I can type just a few sentences and for him to still have enough time to type an entire paragraph that is completely irrelevant to my point. Anyone else wanna see since this thread already got derailed pretty hard?

No, I understood your point, and it's irrelevant to the subject. Please try staying on topic. Do you have anything worth adding to the subject to which is worth anything?

My plan is foiled. Now see this is how a normal human being responds to a post. You respond directly the the post, without much insult. No need to go on a little temper tantrum of knowledge :D. If i were to contribute something, even though I disagree with Flat Earth I would like to see a to scale map / diagram be made so i can assess what they believe the Earth looks like. Maybe do a few comparisons, etc.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 09:37:16 PM
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I wonder how many times I can type just a few sentences and for him to still have enough time to type an entire paragraph that is completely irrelevant to my point. Anyone else wanna see since this thread already got derailed pretty hard?

No, I understood your point, and it's irrelevant to the subject. Please try staying on topic. Do you have anything worth adding to the subject to which is worth anything?

My plan is foiled. Now see this is how a normal human being responds to a post. You respond directly the the post, without much insult. No need to go on a little temper tantrum of knowledge :D. If i were to contribute something, even though I disagree with Flat Earth I would like to see a to scale map / diagram be made so i can assess what they believe the Earth looks like. Maybe do a few comparisons, etc.

I would like to see one to, but I don't need to see one to know it won't work. However, it would be amusing to see them try  :D
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 09:42:54 PM
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I wonder how many times I can type just a few sentences and for him to still have enough time to type an entire paragraph that is completely irrelevant to my point. Anyone else wanna see since this thread already got derailed pretty hard?

No, I understood your point, and it's irrelevant to the subject. Please try staying on topic. Do you have anything worth adding to the subject to which is worth anything?

My plan is foiled. Now see this is how a normal human being responds to a post. You respond directly the the post, without much insult. No need to go on a little temper tantrum of knowledge :D. If i were to contribute something, even though I disagree with Flat Earth I would like to see a to scale map / diagram be made so i can assess what they believe the Earth looks like. Maybe do a few comparisons, etc.

I would like to see one to, but I don't need to see one to know it won't work. However, it would be amusing to see them try  :D

Heh who knows, they might just go an surprise us. :)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: General Disarray on July 27, 2010, 09:44:12 PM
Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 09:46:28 PM
Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.

Well in all honesty I wouldn't really blame them unless they are really that into the conspiracy. Although I'd assume the money going to FES T-shirts would at least be put into some experimentation to help back up some of their claims. I understand a domain and server etc. costs money but you can throw a few bucks to the people trying to keep this idea alive :P
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 27, 2010, 09:54:26 PM
Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.

Well in all honesty I wouldn't really blame them unless they are really that into the conspiracy. Although I'd assume the money going to FES T-shirts would at least be put into some experimentation to help back up some of their claims. I understand a domain and server etc. costs money but you can throw a few bucks to the people trying to keep this idea alive :P

Daniel turns very little profit from the merchandise and the money he does makes goes into upkeep of the site.

But if you'd like to donate we'll be happy to accept it!
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 09:55:49 PM
Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.

If they were going to post a theory as "FACT" without actually researching it to substantiate it, I have no sympathy on their money problems lol. Perhaps they should have invested money in research vs posting a website in order to make faith based claims as magical facts. :D

So maybe they need to take the server down and save some money so they can at least afford to buy a GPS they keep saying is too expensive  8)

Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: EnglshGentleman on July 27, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
My plan is foiled.

It's a trap!
:o :o
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 10:00:59 PM
My plan is foiled.

It's a trap!
:o :o

Just to put a smile on your face,

I lol'd :D
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 10:01:16 PM
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I wonder how many times I can type just a few sentences and for him to still have enough time to type an entire paragraph that is completely irrelevant to my point. Anyone else wanna see since this thread already got derailed pretty hard?

No, I understood your point, and it's irrelevant to the subject. Please try staying on topic. Do you have anything worth adding to the subject to which is worth anything?

My plan is foiled. Now see this is how a normal human being responds to a post. You respond directly the the post, without much insult. No need to go on a little temper tantrum of knowledge :D. If i were to contribute something, even though I disagree with Flat Earth I would like to see a to scale map / diagram be made so i can assess what they believe the Earth looks like. Maybe do a few comparisons, etc.

I would like to see one to, but I don't need to see one to know it won't work. However, it would be amusing to see them try  :D

Heh who knows, they might just go an surprise us. :)

That would require Earth to suddenly have a major Earthquake to change it's entire shape according to their map ;). Hence, they need to pray for a miracle of globally epic proportions lol. But hey, Jesus said if you wished for a mountain to be tossed in the sea, it would be done ;)
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: General Disarray on July 27, 2010, 10:04:04 PM
Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.

If they were going to post a theory as "FACT" without actually researching it to substantiate it, I have no sympathy on their money problems lol. Perhaps they should have invested money in research vs posting a website in order to make faith based claims as magical facts. :D

So maybe they need to take the server down and save some money so they can at least afford to buy a GPS they keep saying is too expensive  8)

To accept that the earth is flat without even a good idea of what it truly looks like seems more like religious faith than scientific fact to me.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 27, 2010, 10:09:48 PM
Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.

If they were going to post a theory as "FACT" without actually researching it to substantiate it, I have no sympathy on their money problems lol. Perhaps they should have invested money in research vs posting a website in order to make faith based claims as magical facts. :D

So maybe they need to take the server down and save some money so they can at least afford to buy a GPS they keep saying is too expensive  8)

To accept that the earth is flat without even a good idea of what it truly looks like seems more like religious faith than scientific fact to me.

Yep, it's surely faith based considering it's never going to work.. I think the aim was to establish a faith based following out of the use of pseudoscience wrapped around an ideological construct. There is a lot of evidence that suggests this is all religious based to begin with considering the biblical passages I pointed out earlier. I think they know that the 4 corner version in the bible wouldn't ever be believable. So the whole thing is just reeking of being religious based all together.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: AdmiralAckbar on July 27, 2010, 10:11:08 PM
Like I said, don't ask for a map or they will ask for money.

Well in all honesty I wouldn't really blame them unless they are really that into the conspiracy. Although I'd assume the money going to FES T-shirts would at least be put into some experimentation to help back up some of their claims. I understand a domain and server etc. costs money but you can throw a few bucks to the people trying to keep this idea alive :P

Daniel turns very little profit from the merchandise and the money he does makes goes into upkeep of the site.

But if you'd like to donate we'll be happy to accept it!

I would, but women expect to pay for everything when we go anywhere, and suddenly I'm their favorite person in the world. kinda sucks without a steady income :P
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: EnglshGentleman on July 27, 2010, 10:20:14 PM
My plan is foiled.

It's a trap!
:o :o

Just to put a smile on your face,

I lol'd :D

:D :D :D You do care!
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: General Disarray on July 27, 2010, 10:53:33 PM
People keep telling FE'ers to write up a research proposal and apply for grants through the proper channels, but they make any excuse necessary to avoid doing any actual research.

Most people who post here don't have research money just laying around, so it is unreasonable to request the funding from us.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 28, 2010, 06:05:25 AM
People keep telling FE'ers to write up a research proposal and apply for grants through the proper channels, but they make any excuse necessary to avoid doing any actual research.

Most people who post here don't have research money just laying around, so it is unreasonable to request the funding from us.

That is true, it's their concept and it's also their responsibility to do the research and pay for it. This little money problem really shows that they haven't done any research at all, and that they are just pissing in the wind with pseudoscience wrapped around an ideological construct while at the same time claiming it all to be "fact".. Clearly we have a complete failure of FE, and this explains why they don't have any data ;) Thus, so much for the FE theory. FE just completely collapsed in this thread  ;D

So:

No map
No Data
Map is not possible
No base to support anything else in the theory
No money
No real research
Faith based pseudoscience wrapped around an Ideological construct
inconsistent
inaccurate
mathematical failure
magical objects
Conspiracy theory support base

What more needs to be said about this entire conceptual failure of a Theory to which can't even be called a theory because it lacks any real evidence and data! This is thus not a theory, but rather a faith based assumption that in my opinion can't even be considered a hypothesis. :/

Cheers!
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: dim on July 28, 2010, 06:10:38 AM
People keep telling FE'ers to write up a research proposal and apply for grants through the proper channels, but they make any excuse necessary to avoid doing any actual research.

Most people who post here don't have research money just laying around, so it is unreasonable to request the funding from us.

That is true, it's their concept and it's also their responsibility to do the research and pay for it. This little money problem really shows that they haven't done any research at all, and that they are just pissing in the wind with pseudoscience wrapped around an ideological construct while at the same time claiming it all to be "fact".. Clearly we have a complete failure, and this explains why they don't have any data ;) Thus, so much for the FE theory. FE just completely collapsed in this thread  ;D

The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory. RE is based on information that is given from, let's say, above. In other words, RE'ers got all their information from the people that for the centuries where paid to write books on Earth's rotundity. So, you cannot say it is less pseudoscience than FE theory... I mean, really, u just belive what is written in books, same as we do with ENaG.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 28, 2010, 06:26:56 AM
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The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory. RE is based on information that is given from, let's say, above. In other words, RE'ers got all their information from the people that for the centuries where paid to write books on Earth's rotundity. So, you cannot say it is less pseudoscience than FE theory... I mean, really, u just belive what is written in books, same as we do with ENaG.

This is what we call denial. I've been verifying this ever since I've began sailing. Hence, you are relying on circular assumptions and conspiracies to give FE magical credibility to which it does not have. And this would also require you to completely ignore this entire thread. I had linked to many science experiments and programs that are relevant to this discussion.. Such as the shadow stick study that is taking place around the world, or links on how you can chart your latitude and longitude by using the sun and have it be accurate according to GPS and a spherical Earth while having it be completely consistent. Not once has RE data on this subject ever been inconsistent.

If you like I can re-post all of it here.. Your assumption that people only believe what they read really shows how weak the FE argument is. And this would require the FE people to even deny any atlas or nautical maps and charts.. I surely hope you wouldn't be dumb enough to sail around the world by basing your assumptions on a FE, that's a good way to get yourself killed, or lost.

So all I see are excuses, assumptions, denial of data, conspiracy theory, and no substance to base any of that on.. That's dishonest discourse, and surely doesn't win you any brownie points.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: dim on July 28, 2010, 06:45:32 AM
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The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory. RE is based on information that is given from, let's say, above. In other words, RE'ers got all their information from the people that for the centuries where paid to write books on Earth's rotundity. So, you cannot say it is less pseudoscience than FE theory... I mean, really, u just belive what is written in books, same as we do with ENaG.

This is what we call denial. I've been verifying this ever since I've began sailing. Hence, you are relying on circular assumptions and conspiracies to give FE magical credibility to which it does not have. And this would also require you to completely ignore this entire thread. I had linked to many science experiments and programs that are relevant to this discussion.. Such as the shadow stick study that is taking place around the world, or links on how you can chart your latitude and longitude by using the sun and have it be accurate according to GPS and a spherical Earth while having it be completely consistent. Not once has RE data on this subject ever been inconsistent.

If you like I can re-post all of it here.. Your assumption that people only believe what they read really shows how weak the FE argument is. And this would require the FE people to even deny any atlas or nautical maps and charts.. I surely hope you wouldn't be dumb enough to sail around the world by basing your assumptions on a FE, that's a good way to get yourself killed, or lost.

So all I see are excuses, assumptions, denial of data, conspiracy theory, and no substance to base any of that on.. That's dishonest discourse, and surely doesn't win you any brownie points.

Well, I just state what is obvious - people believe what is told to them most.

And about nautical maps, they have rectangular grid, which is component of FE.
Actually, i dont like this topic. I just wrote it, to show that "Nothing is always absolutely so".
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: General Disarray on July 28, 2010, 07:09:35 AM
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The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory.

You mean except for the hundreds of people who have gone in to space? Or all the people who mapped the world? Or all the people who proved RE concepts through experimentation?
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: ClockTower on July 28, 2010, 05:47:35 PM
People keep telling FE'ers to write up a research proposal and apply for grants through the proper channels, but they make any excuse necessary to avoid doing any actual research.

Most people who post here don't have research money just laying around, so it is unreasonable to request the funding from us.

That is true, it's their concept and it's also their responsibility to do the research and pay for it. This little money problem really shows that they haven't done any research at all, and that they are just pissing in the wind with pseudoscience wrapped around an ideological construct while at the same time claiming it all to be "fact".. Clearly we have a complete failure, and this explains why they don't have any data ;) Thus, so much for the FE theory. FE just completely collapsed in this thread  ;D

The thing is that no true RE'ers are also made any experiments to prove their theory. RE is based on information that is given from, let's say, above. In other words, RE'ers got all their information from the people that for the centuries where paid to write books on Earth's rotundity. So, you cannot say it is less pseudoscience than FE theory... I mean, really, u just belive what is written in books, same as we do with ENaG.
That's just not true. REers regularly experiment to verify their theory. We watch the stars wheel around two poles at the same time. We watch the wanderings of the planets that match the RET predictions. We notice that ships disappear (and reappear) at the horizon as RET predicts. We see clouds illuminated from below at sunrise and sunset. We watch shuttle launches. We see the sun rise and set as RET predicts, both at the right time and the correct size and shape. We see the rising dusk. We watch eclipses. We observe the moons of Jupiter and the rings of Saturn. We watch weather and see that it matches the satellite photographs. We use GPS to see that RET predictions about the size of the Earth is consistently accurate. We go to museums to see Foucault's Pendulum in action. We review high altitude missions by even amateurs that capture photographs of the Earth's curvature as RET predicts. We look at the Internet's web cameras to see that the amount of daylight received in various places all over the world matches RET predictions. Oh, and there's a great deal more too. REers do repeat experiments. REers do review the research of others. REers don't just rely on the publications of others.
Title: Re: Flat Earth Map
Post by: TheJackel on July 28, 2010, 08:23:23 PM
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Well, I just state what is obvious - people believe what is told to them most.

And about nautical maps, they have rectangular grid, which is component of FE.
Actually, i dont like this topic. I just wrote it, to show that "Nothing is always absolutely so".

Please learn how to read a nautical map before you make baseless arguments. And sorry, they will not function or be accurate in FE format lol. You need to take a trip down to a peer and do some research. Hence, 2D flat maps don't mean a damn thing.. Plotting your course is not according to FE, whoever told you otherwise is a fool. :/

And you do realize that you can figure out the Earth is a sphere by the angle and position of the sun from various points of view correct? And this is also why you can measure the circumference of the Earth by just using the sun.