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Title: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: lon445 on June 02, 2010, 02:15:13 PM
If I correctly understand, the flat earth model is an attempt to explain most of the observable phenomenon on the earth. All the observation from outerspace are called hoax or conspiracy.

However, even if all the explanation for phenomena as the disappearing of a boat or terrestrial gravitation are acceptable the FE model still fail to explain the primary phenomenon it is suppose to explain: day cycle.

The ancient flat earth model supposed that the far sun revolve around the flat earth in 24 hours. The days are the time when the sun is above the horizon line and night is when it is under. However this was inconsistent with the various angle the sun makes with the earth depending the on the place we are on the planet. Ancient Greek even deduce the diameter of the earth from this phenomenon.

In order to solve this problem the modern FE model suggest a small sun revolving above the earth disc around the polar axis. This explain the different angles, seasons, variation in day length but fails where the previous one succeed: explaining a 24 hrs day. If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice. If the sun have a constant speed (scalar) it would mean that the longest day of the year at equator would be of 6 hours. Moreover, this length would decrease toward zero as we approach zero toward the north pole and Antartica.

I don't want to underestimate the creative minds of flat earther but I think this is a tough one. Only the round earth model can explain both the annual and daily phenomena at the same time.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: f(x) on June 02, 2010, 07:28:41 PM
You incorrectly assumed that the sun was much larger than it actually is. Seeing how the Earth IS indeed flat and 1 day is clearly not 6 hours, you are obviously wrong.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Sliver on June 02, 2010, 07:29:13 PM
So full of win.

To touch on what f(x) said, the sun in your model can only be 32 miles wide.  This would actually make it even harder to properly illuminate the Earth's surface, but hey, they made it up.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Lorddave on June 02, 2010, 08:26:40 PM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: trig on June 02, 2010, 10:47:02 PM
No matter how much you tweak the properties of the spotlight sun to solve one problem or another, you will always create more problems than you solve. You can solve the 6 hour daylight problem, but in so doing you fail to make the poles have six months of daylight, followed by six months of night.

And even if you decide you will give unfathomable intelligence to the sun so it illuminates just the right places, just at the correct moment, you would still have no solution whatsoever to the problem of having the sun showing the same apparent size and luminosity on every part of the Earth, and showing the same sunspots to every place on Earth.

In short, a bad idea will not become a good one just because you want it to.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: jackofhearts on June 03, 2010, 11:48:10 AM
Bump in the hope of more FE failure.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 03, 2010, 08:57:06 PM
Bump in the hope of more FE failure.

Don't bump a thread in the serious forums if you're not adding to the discussion.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Lorddave on June 04, 2010, 01:58:33 PM
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: markjo on June 04, 2010, 02:36:19 PM
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.

Actually, there are 3 kinds of FE'ers here.  There are the true believer, devil's advocates and angry noobs posing as FE'ers.  The angry noobs are usually pretty obvious, but sometimes it's hard to tell a dedicated devil's advocate from a true believer.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 04, 2010, 02:49:56 PM
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.

Actually, there are 3 kinds of FE'ers here.  There are the true believer, devil's advocates and angry noobs posing as FE'ers.  The angry noobs are usually pretty obvious, but sometimes it's hard to tell a dedicated devil's advocate from a true believer.

I know I try to make it as hard as possible... while simultaneously almost never coming out and saying that I believe in FE.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: lon445 on June 04, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.
I don't exptect anything either. I take it more as an intellectual challenge. The goal was to falsify the modern FET whit nothing more than ancient knowledge and where the usual FE tricks do not work. Here, no weird optical illusion or wacky physic can be made up. This is rigorous logical proof from absurdity. You expose what the model predict and you show that the prediction can't be true.

Their model realy predict an average daylight of 6 hrs and that does not only prove they are wrong but also are dumb FET is to fail on such a basic and obvious principle as the day cycle. I realy think I could make up a better FE model than theirs if I had more time to loose. I saw them silent where their model would provide a clear explanation (the different constelation on different continent for example) and create physic theory out of thin air in other places where basic Newtonian would have done it. There is absolutely no logic in FES.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 04, 2010, 04:21:04 PM
I brought something like this up b4, but you have brought up a very good point, its impossible to match the shining radius (one half that of disc world) with the area of shinning (if the radius is half, the area is 1/4th not 1/2). the only way to fix this given that light goes in a straight path (save for gravity pulls) is if the earth's shape is 3 dimensional and uniform aka a sphere
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Lorddave on June 04, 2010, 04:24:45 PM
I brought something like this up b4, but you have brought up a very good point, its impossible to match the shining radius (one half that of disc world) with the area of shinning (if the radius is half, the area is 1/4th not 1/2). the only way to fix this given that light goes in a straight path (save for gravity pulls) is if the earth's shape is 3 dimensional and uniform aka a sphere

But since no FEer will EVER admit that they're wrong about anything related to FET then it's a hopeless cause.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 08, 2010, 04:13:48 PM
I brought something like this up b4, but you have brought up a very good point, its impossible to match the shining radius (one half that of disc world) with the area of shinning (if the radius is half, the area is 1/4th not 1/2). the only way to fix this given that light goes in a straight path (save for gravity pulls) is if the earth's shape is 3 dimensional and uniform aka a sphere

But since no FEer will EVER admit that they're wrong about anything related to FET then it's a hopeless cause.

So since nobody has given a response to this, especially without bendy light, I take it that FEH is dead for the moment.
Also, if the earth was supposed to be lit up as it is on a disc, the projection would be a semicircle, which is impossible to achieve with a spotlight or floodlight
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thermal Detonator on June 09, 2010, 05:08:20 AM
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.

Actually, there are 3 kinds of FE'ers here.  There are the true believer, devil's advocates and angry noobs posing as FE'ers.  The angry noobs are usually pretty obvious, but sometimes it's hard to tell a dedicated devil's advocate from a true believer.

I know I try to make it as hard as possible... while simultaneously almost never coming out and saying that I believe in FE.

Analysis of your posts concludes no evidence of serious psychological problems, therefore we know you're not an Insane Devotee, of which I think there are only three - Davis, Levee and James.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 11, 2010, 10:29:23 AM
why is this ever so winful thread quiet as a ghost???
Does anyone have any arguement against this, or the fact that the spotlight would have to shine on a semi circle?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 11, 2010, 11:28:53 AM
why is this ever so winful thread quiet as a ghost???
Does anyone have any arguement against this, or the fact that the spotlight would have to shine on a semi circle?

Don't bump a thread in the serious forums if you're not adding to the discussion.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Catchpa on June 11, 2010, 02:34:33 PM
Perhaps it would be nice to get some people who could add to the discussion.  ::)
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 11, 2010, 02:44:30 PM
Perhaps it would be nice to get some people who could add to the discussion.  ::)

Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be happening.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 11, 2010, 02:57:30 PM
If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice.

This is incorrect.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Sliver on June 11, 2010, 06:51:47 PM
If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice.

This is incorrect.
Please, by all means, post the correct math.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 11, 2010, 06:53:55 PM
Please, by all means, post the correct math.

I'm not here to teach you basic geometry.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Crustinator on June 11, 2010, 07:56:56 PM
Please, by all means, post the correct math.

I'm not here to teach you basic geometry.

This is incorrect.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 11, 2010, 11:24:35 PM
If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice.

This is incorrect.

I see what part you think is incorrect. but, without bendy light, it is undeniably true that a circular projection that has the top reaching the north pole, and bottom reaching the ice wall would only be illuminating 1/4th of the earth at a time. furthermore, at equinox, the earth should have a semi circle illuminated, which is impossible to achieve with a circular spotlight (again without bendy light).

Even though you are not here to teach us math and geometry, it is common courtesy to tell someone why they are wrong in an argument, if you wish to actually argue, as "this is incorrect" is not an actual argument, but you already knew that, and decided to be rude regardless.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 12, 2010, 01:22:20 AM
I see what part you think is incorrect. but, without bendy light, it is undeniably true that a circular projection that has the top reaching the north pole, and bottom reaching the ice wall would only be illuminating 1/4th of the earth at a time. furthermore, at equinox, the earth should have a semi circle illuminated, which is impossible to achieve with a circular spotlight (again without bendy light).

Even though you are not here to teach us math and geometry, it is common courtesy to tell someone why they are wrong in an argument, if you wish to actually argue, as "this is incorrect" is not an actual argument, but you already knew that, and decided to be rude regardless.

Making blatantly false mathematical statements without showing working is rude. I cannot respond to the OP with anything other than "this is incorrect."
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Crustinator on June 12, 2010, 04:03:07 AM
Making blatantly false mathematical statements without showing working is rude.

And just telling people they're wrong without saying why is rude, pompous and arrogant.

Are you still going to those Interpersonal Skills classes?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thermal Detonator on June 12, 2010, 07:24:54 AM
I see what part you think is incorrect. but, without bendy light, it is undeniably true that a circular projection that has the top reaching the north pole, and bottom reaching the ice wall would only be illuminating 1/4th of the earth at a time. furthermore, at equinox, the earth should have a semi circle illuminated, which is impossible to achieve with a circular spotlight (again without bendy light).

Even though you are not here to teach us math and geometry, it is common courtesy to tell someone why they are wrong in an argument, if you wish to actually argue, as "this is incorrect" is not an actual argument, but you already knew that, and decided to be rude regardless.

Making blatantly false mathematical statements without showing working is rude. I cannot respond to the OP with anything other than "this is incorrect."

Since when has being rude ever bothered you?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: trig on June 12, 2010, 08:39:07 AM
If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice.

This is incorrect.
Talk about low content posting, or more to the point, trolling.

Diagrams of the places that the "spotlight" that the Sun is in FEH have been posted ad nauseam, and the areas of Earth that are lighted do not seem round at any time of the year. If you believe the Sun is a spotlight, you are stuck with the argument made in the OP.

The only way to make a comment for FEH with respect to the spotlight Sun and without "bendy light" is to resort to trolling.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 12, 2010, 10:00:39 AM
I see what part you think is incorrect. but, without bendy light, it is undeniably true that a circular projection that has the top reaching the north pole, and bottom reaching the ice wall would only be illuminating 1/4th of the earth at a time. furthermore, at equinox, the earth should have a semi circle illuminated, which is impossible to achieve with a circular spotlight (again without bendy light).

Even though you are not here to teach us math and geometry, it is common courtesy to tell someone why they are wrong in an argument, if you wish to actually argue, as "this is incorrect" is not an actual argument, but you already knew that, and decided to be rude regardless.

Making blatantly false mathematical statements without showing working is rude. I cannot respond to the OP with anything other than "this is incorrect."

So saying things that are wrong is rude? you didn't say which mathematical statement(s) was/were incorrect. you could have responded by telling him which ones were incorrect, and responding to the main point of his post
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Sliver on June 13, 2010, 07:03:07 AM
I cannot respond to the OP with anything other than "this is incorrect."
I guess you could also stick your thumbs in your ears, wave your hands, and say, "Nah, Na, Nah, Na, Nah, Nah!"  But no one would see that.

Bottom line, you have do way to legitimately counter the OP, so your sitting there, pretending you know what you're talking about, and telling them they're wrong.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: parsec on June 13, 2010, 10:03:52 PM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.

where?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: General Disarray on June 13, 2010, 10:05:26 PM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.

where?

Try using the search function.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Catchpa on June 14, 2010, 02:10:00 AM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.

where?

Why is  that even relevant? Are you going to argue FE really actually wants to?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Lorddave on June 14, 2010, 06:07:19 AM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.

where?

It got moved to random musing. Damn FEers, you don't accept any ideas but your own.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: parsec on June 14, 2010, 07:25:22 AM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.

where?

It got moved to random musing. Damn FEers, you don't accept any ideas but your own.
Could you please provide a link?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: General Disarray on June 14, 2010, 07:32:05 AM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.

where?

It got moved to random musing. Damn FEers, you don't accept any ideas but your own.
Could you please provide a link?

Do you expect us to do your work for you? If you are that interested, use the search function.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Lorddave on June 14, 2010, 07:42:39 AM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.

where?

It got moved to random musing. Damn FEers, you don't accept any ideas but your own.
Could you please provide a link?

Do you expect us to do your work for you? If you are that interested, use the search function.

Now now, no need to act like a typical FEer, we're better than them so we provide links when they ask.

Here was the initial conception of the idea.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38640.msg966871#msg966871

And here it is a little more refined but not finished yet.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38899.0
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: General Disarray on June 14, 2010, 09:09:43 AM
Just holding them to the same standards they hold us to.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Lorddave on June 14, 2010, 09:16:25 AM
Just holding them to the same standards they hold us to.

I know, but that makes us equals.  Do you really want to be equal?  Or better?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: General Disarray on June 14, 2010, 09:17:32 AM
Just holding them to the same standards they hold us to.

I know, but that makes us equals.  Do you really want to be equal?  Or better?

Why bother playing a game when only one side is cheating?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Lorddave on June 14, 2010, 10:13:47 AM
Just holding them to the same standards they hold us to.

I know, but that makes us equals.  Do you really want to be equal?  Or better?

Why bother playing a game when only one side is cheating?

Because we're the only ones trying to keep score.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: parsec on June 14, 2010, 06:23:19 PM
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.

where?

It got moved to random musing. Damn FEers, you don't accept any ideas but your own.
Could you please provide a link?

Do you expect us to do your work for you? If you are that interested, use the search function.

Now now, no need to act like a typical FEer, we're better than them so we provide links when they ask.

Here was the initial conception of the idea.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38640.msg966871#msg966871

And here it is a little more refined but not finished yet.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38899.0
Interesting. The reason why I was asking you is because I, without being aware of your suggestion, gave a similar speculation one month later in a different thread.

That wasn't the only part of the question, what method does the sun use to generate the heat and light it radiates? How does a 32km diameter ball give this much power for millions of years?

The Sun might be a wormhole converting the energy of the UA to other forms, mostly electromagnetic radiation.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: EnigmaZV on June 15, 2010, 02:08:38 PM
Talk about low content posting, or more to the point, trolling.

Diagrams of the places that the "spotlight" that the Sun is in FEH have been posted ad nauseam, and the areas of Earth that are lighted do not seem round at any time of the year. If you believe the Sun is a spotlight, you are stuck with the argument made in the OP.

The only way to make a comment for FEH with respect to the spotlight Sun and without "bendy light" is to resort to trolling.

This is incorrect.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Crustinator on June 16, 2010, 10:49:17 AM
This is incorrect.

Correct it, with reference to a flat earth map.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 17, 2010, 06:05:33 AM
Again here... wasting time. I don't think that exist real flat earthers. Think about it. Who in the entire wolrd wanna be friend or more than friend with someone who believes in this strange theories?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Catchpa on June 17, 2010, 07:01:14 AM
Again here... wasting time. I don't think that exist real flat earthers. Think about it. Who in the entire wolrd wanna be friend or more than friend with someone who believes in this strange theories?

We have people wanting to be Paris Hiltons best friend, competing over it. Men and women competing to get Tila Tequila as their girlfriend(She's bi) and somehow she finds it perfectly fine that her next possible lover will be elimanted 'cause his own team didn't drive fast enough in a childrens car.

Being friends with a FE believer is not a stretch.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: John Davis on June 17, 2010, 08:30:29 AM
Again here... wasting time. I don't think that exist real flat earthers. Think about it. Who in the entire wolrd wanna be friend or more than friend with someone who believes in this strange theories?

Actually I've made quite a few RE friends through heated talks about my beliefs.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 17, 2010, 08:34:58 AM
Again here... wasting time. I don't think that exist real flat earthers. Think about it. Who in the entire wolrd wanna be friend or more than friend with someone who believes in this strange theories?

Actually I've made quite a few RE friends through heated talks about my beliefs.

They are not your friends, believe me.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: John Davis on June 17, 2010, 08:39:16 AM
Again here... wasting time. I don't think that exist real flat earthers. Think about it. Who in the entire wolrd wanna be friend or more than friend with someone who believes in this strange theories?

Actually I've made quite a few RE friends through heated talks about my beliefs.

They are not your friends, believe me.
I don't think you are in any position to state that.  Some of them have more than proven their friendship and the implication that you know better is frankly ridiculous.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 17, 2010, 08:41:34 AM
Again here... wasting time. I don't think that exist real flat earthers. Think about it. Who in the entire wolrd wanna be friend or more than friend with someone who believes in this strange theories?

Actually I've made quite a few RE friends through heated talks about my beliefs.

They are not your friends, believe me.
I don't think you are in any position to state that.  Some of them have more than proven their friendship and the implication that you know better is frankly ridiculous.

Not much more ridiculous than your flat earth theory. How can someone that believe the earth is round can be truly your friend if he considers you a dumbass.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: John Davis on June 17, 2010, 08:55:04 AM
Again here... wasting time. I don't think that exist real flat earthers. Think about it. Who in the entire wolrd wanna be friend or more than friend with someone who believes in this strange theories?

Actually I've made quite a few RE friends through heated talks about my beliefs.

They are not your friends, believe me.
I don't think you are in any position to state that.  Some of them have more than proven their friendship and the implication that you know better is frankly ridiculous.

Not much more ridiculous than your flat earth theory. How can someone that believe the earth is round can be truly your friend if he considers you a dumbass.
Your ignorance and crude nature are obviously indicative of either a severely stupid person attempting to feel smart or someone that is frustrated by the inability to grasp even the simplest mathematics behind my work to be able to attack them.  I suggest you finish high school and return.

This thread is off topic, return to the topic.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 17, 2010, 01:15:02 PM
And that's why I'm ur friend JD.
On topic:

Does anyone have a counterargument for the actual thread?
Cause this is pretty damning for FET
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Crustinator on June 17, 2010, 04:24:23 PM
Does anyone have a counterargument for the actual thread?
Cause this is pretty damning for FET

The sun has always been a problem for FET.

*whispers* you know technically it never sets!

*whispers some more* even as a spotlight it would just go dark while the sun was in mid air!
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 17, 2010, 05:03:48 PM
Does anyone have a counterargument for the actual thread?
Cause this is pretty damning for FET

The sun has always been a problem for FET.

*whispers* you know technically it never sets!

*whispers some more* even as a spotlight it would just go dark while the sun was in mid air!

inb4 sun is a floodlight.
Also, don't forget to mention temperature, power source, and most importantly the semi circular shape of the projection
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Crustinator on June 18, 2010, 05:34:42 AM
inb4 sun is a floodlight.

If it's a floodlight it never sets. If it's a spotlight it goes out while it's still above the horizon. This battle win they can't.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Lorddave on June 18, 2010, 02:39:29 PM
inb4 sun is a floodlight.

If it's a floodlight it never sets. If it's a spotlight it goes out while it's still above the horizon. This battle win they can't.

They say stuff like "Bendy light magnifies the light to make it seem like it's bigger and perfectly circular even though it's a tiny sliver of light far away.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: parsec on June 18, 2010, 05:04:30 PM
inb4 sun is a floodlight.

If it's a floodlight it never sets. If it's a spotlight it goes out while it's still above the horizon. This battle win they can't.

They say stuff like "Bendy light magnifies the light to make it seem like it's bigger and perfectly circular even though it's a tiny sliver of light far away.
And, in actuality, the angular diameter of the FE Sun would be the same as the RE Sun.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: General Disarray on June 18, 2010, 05:08:53 PM
And, in actuality, the angular diameter of the FE Sun would be the same as the RE Sun.

Incorrect, see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39735.0
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: parsec on June 18, 2010, 11:37:31 PM
And, in actuality, the angular diameter of the FE Sun would be the same as the RE Sun.

Incorrect, see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39735.0

Incorrect.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 19, 2010, 02:55:56 AM
A FE believer tell me i don't understand simple math is priceless. Yes, i don't understand bendy light. Am I stupid?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Crustinator on June 19, 2010, 02:57:42 AM
Incorrect.

So the sun has an observed diameter different to the one observed. Interesting.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: General Disarray on June 19, 2010, 05:52:04 AM
And, in actuality, the angular diameter of the FE Sun would be the same as the RE Sun.

Incorrect, see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39735.0

Incorrect.

Incorrect.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 19, 2010, 06:58:51 AM
And, in actuality, the angular diameter of the FE Sun would be the same as the RE Sun.

Incorrect, see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39735.0

Incorrect.

Incorrect.

No one says WHY is incorrect. This simply kill a forum making it useless. Oh wait, this forum is about FLAT EARTH. Go on.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 19, 2010, 08:03:49 AM
And, in actuality, the angular diameter of the FE Sun would be the same as the RE Sun.

Incorrect, see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39735.0

Incorrect.
what he's saying I believe, is that if you take the 32 miles thing, and match it with the 3000 miles,
your angular diameter is off
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 19, 2010, 04:24:52 PM
I'd really like at least one valid response.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 21, 2010, 02:45:27 AM
The entire sky, including the Sun, is a projection by the Conspiracy onto an enormous canvas sheet 3000 miles high.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 21, 2010, 02:50:57 AM
The entire sky, including the Sun, is a projection by the Conspiracy onto an enormous canvas sheet 3000 miles high.

Oh stop it, this is ridiculous.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Sliver on June 21, 2010, 07:47:57 AM
The entire sky, including the Sun, is a projection by the Conspiracy onto an enormous canvas sheet 3000 miles high.
Yes, it certainly is irrelevant. The entire purpose of your existence has nothing to do with the non-irrelevancy of this matter.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: markjo on June 21, 2010, 12:23:11 PM
The entire sky, including the Sun, is a projection by the Conspiracy onto an enormous canvas sheet 3000 miles high.

Mods, can we get a ruling on whether this constitutes low content posting?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: General Disarray on June 21, 2010, 12:26:25 PM
The entire sky, including the Sun, is a projection by the Conspiracy onto an enormous canvas sheet 3000 miles high.

Mods, can we get a ruling on whether this constitutes low content posting?

If I were an FE believer, that kind of thing would make me mad because it would make us look bad.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 21, 2010, 12:47:40 PM
The entire sky, including the Sun, is a projection by the Conspiracy onto an enormous canvas sheet 3000 miles high.

uhm, the projection of light on the surface is still semi circular, which would imply that the light doesn't come from the sun.
yet the angle of light would suggest otherwise. futhermore, this phenomena has been there since the dawn of man, how do you suggest that the conspiracy did this at say during 2000B.C.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 21, 2010, 01:03:46 PM
The entire sky, including the Sun, is a projection by the Conspiracy onto an enormous canvas sheet 3000 miles high.

uhm, the projection of light on the surface is still semi circular, which would imply that the light doesn't come from the sun.
yet the angle of light would suggest otherwise. futhermore, this phenomena has been there since the dawn of man, how do you suggest that the conspiracy did this at say during 2000B.C.

Man... you cannot argue even on this post!
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 21, 2010, 08:12:39 PM
uhm, the projection of light on the surface is still semi circular, which would imply that the light doesn't come from the sun.
yet the angle of light would suggest otherwise.

A light ray doesn't have an angle.

futhermore, this phenomena has been there since the dawn of man, how do you suggest that the conspiracy did this at say during 2000B.C.

Please provide evidence that there was a sky in 2000 BC.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 21, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
uhm, the projection of light on the surface is still semi circular, which would imply that the light doesn't come from the sun.
yet the angle of light would suggest otherwise.

A light ray doesn't have an angle.

futhermore, this phenomena has been there since the dawn of man, how do you suggest that the conspiracy did this at say during 2000B.C.

Please provide evidence that there was a sky in 2000 BC.

the chinese word tian. means heavens/sky, and has been around since the Xia dynasty.
the path of light has an angle with the surface of the earth, that line up with the sun, i.e. it seems like light is coming from the Sun
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 21, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
the chinese word tian. means heavens/sky, and has been around since the Xia dynasty.

How do you know the word had the same meaning then as it does now?

the path of light has an angle with the surface of the earth, that line up with the sun, i.e. it seems like light is coming from the Sun

Incorrect. Daylight comes from all across the sky.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 22, 2010, 12:54:57 AM
the chinese word tian. means heavens/sky, and has been around since the Xia dynasty.

How do you know the word had the same meaning then as it does now?

the path of light has an angle with the surface of the earth, that line up with the sun, i.e. it seems like light is coming from the Sun

Incorrect. Daylight comes from all across the sky.

Parsifal sorry, you look like a stupid troll. Or maybe you are a stupid troll. Why we have to prove that the sky always exist? And why we have to prove everything, while you dont prove anything till now. Prove that the sky was not there in 2000 BC. Logic make us thoughts that the sky was there many many years before that date. So, for one time, prove what you are saying.

And the light is a radiation, so it has an angle. If you dont believe me, believe in your eyes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cloud_in_the_sunlight.jpg)
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 22, 2010, 02:42:08 AM
Parsifal sorry, you look like a stupid troll. Or maybe you are a stupid troll. Why we have to prove that the sky always exist? And why we have to prove everything, while you dont prove anything till now. Prove that the sky was not there in 2000 BC. Logic make us thoughts that the sky was there many many years before that date. So, for one time, prove what you are saying.

Logic doesn't make us think anything about the physical world. Since none of us were around in 2000 BC, we have no reason to believe that the sky existed back then.

And the light is a radiation, so it has an angle. If you dont believe me, believe in your eyes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cloud_in_the_sunlight.jpg)

Exactly where in this picture does light have an angle? I am intrigued by your claim.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 22, 2010, 03:45:44 AM
Parsifal sorry, you look like a stupid troll. Or maybe you are a stupid troll. Why we have to prove that the sky always exist? And why we have to prove everything, while you dont prove anything till now. Prove that the sky was not there in 2000 BC. Logic make us thoughts that the sky was there many many years before that date. So, for one time, prove what you are saying.

Logic doesn't make us think anything about the physical world. Since none of us were around in 2000 BC, we have no reason to believe that the sky existed back then.

And the light is a radiation, so it has an angle. If you dont believe me, believe in your eyes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cloud_in_the_sunlight.jpg)

Exactly where in this picture does light have an angle? I am intrigued by your claim.

Good trolling. Since we have not seen that the earth is infinite, the earth is not infinite. So the FE theory is crap.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: John Davis on June 22, 2010, 05:05:45 AM
A ray doesn't have an angle.

(http://www.freehomeworkmathhelp.com/Geometry/Geometry_Introduction/geometry_homework_help_right_ray.GIF)

If you adjust your statement you may have more luck.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 22, 2010, 05:15:30 AM
A ray doesn't have an angle.

(http://www.freehomeworkmathhelp.com/Geometry/Geometry_Introduction/geometry_homework_help_right_ray.GIF)

If you adjust your statement you may have more luck.

A ray has an angle when hitting the surface of the earth. Is it ok now?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: John Davis on June 22, 2010, 11:16:51 AM
A ray doesn't have an angle.

(http://www.freehomeworkmathhelp.com/Geometry/Geometry_Introduction/geometry_homework_help_right_ray.GIF)

If you adjust your statement you may have more luck.

A ray has an angle when hitting the surface of the earth. Is it ok now?
Yeah., hopefully  Its not me quibling about this, its them.  Sorry.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: EnigmaZV on June 22, 2010, 11:23:48 AM
This is incorrect.

Correct it, with reference to a flat earth map.

I know I'm a little late to reply, but...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/enigmazv/equinox.gif)

There is your circle of light you requested.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 22, 2010, 12:18:27 PM
the chinese word tian. means heavens/sky, and has been around since the Xia dynasty.

How do you know the word had the same meaning then as it does now?

the path of light has an angle with the surface of the earth, that line up with the sun, i.e. it seems like light is coming from the Sun

Incorrect. Daylight comes from all across the sky.

because of chinese legend.
the emperors ruled for the sake of the heavens...this, and the modern theory of the atmosphere is evidence for the sky

and I want you to do an experiment for me, look directly where the sun appears. then look 20 degrees in any direction away. notice the change in intensity
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 22, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
This is incorrect.

Correct it, with reference to a flat earth map.

I know I'm a little late to reply, but...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/enigmazv/equinox.gif)

There is your circle of light you requested.
wait, I'm confused, at equinox, the sun should always be a semi circle
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Crustinator on June 22, 2010, 03:18:05 PM
There is your circle of light you requested.

That's good except something magical appears to be happening to the sun.

1) It appears to be giving off some non-circular, non-spotlight, time variable light.
2) It disappears and the reappears instantly on the other side of the world.
3) It appears to be able to generate a ring of light.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Neon_Knight on June 22, 2010, 05:41:38 PM
The entire sky, including the Sun, is a projection by the Conspiracy onto an enormous canvas sheet 3000 miles high.

Okay, so the sun doesn't actually exist.  A number of problems with this.

1) Where does all energy on Earth actually come from then?
2) Fossil evidence of plantlife existing well before projectors were invented sort of screw up that theory. (Yes, plants DO need light to survive.  I once put a plant in a dark cupboard.  It died, and went a funny colour. Because there was no light.  Obviously.)
Also
3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees  Pretty sure most of those were already rather large before projectors were invented.  How did they grow without light?  Peculiar, don't you think?    Oh wait, no, it's obvious...   "The Conspiracy" has actually secretly invented time travel unbeknownst to us mere mortals. They've gone back in time and created life and held a projector to the sky for 4 billion years to make sure it grows big and strong.
4) You know, all light from the sun is unpolarised.  But as soon as it reflects off of anything, it becomes polarised.  This is how 3d cinema works.  If the entire sky was a projection, then whenever we put on 3d glasses, we wouldn't be able to see the sun unless our heads were tilted at the right angle.   Hey, you know what that means! They could show 3d films on the friggin sky! Man that'd be awesome.  They could make loads from advertising, don't you think?  I need to get in touch with these conspiritor guys, I gotta sell them my idea!
5) This would also mean that anything flying infront of the "projector" (assuming it's on Earth) would put a shadow on the sky. Such as a bird. Or an insect, or, you know... dust, debris, or... you know... clouds....(unless clouds are also part of the projection? THEN WHO WAS RAIN?) I Dunno about you, but I haven't seen many shadows on the sky. That would be a dead giveaway!  I reckon if I was a "conspirator" I'd just take the piss with the whole world and put a "Batman" sticker over the projector... would be fricken hilarious.  I'd probably get sacked though... although these guys are pretty ruthless, they'd probably just take me out to the "Ice Wall" and shoot me. 



Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Catchpa on June 22, 2010, 06:01:27 PM
Neon, please consider my following words: Parsifal is a troll on this site and anything he says should be ignored.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: babsinva on June 22, 2010, 06:05:31 PM
Day length of 1/4 of a day cycle (6 hrs) according to today's time or when?

Using the lunisolar, the lunar, or solar calendar?

If I correctly understand, the flat earth model is an attempt to explain most of the observable phenomenon on the earth. All the observation from outerspace are called hoax or conspiracy.

However, even if all the explanation for phenomena as the disappearing of a boat or terrestrial gravitation are acceptable the FE model still fail to explain the primary phenomenon it is suppose to explain: day cycle.

The ancient flat earth model  supposed that the far sun revolve around the flat earth in 24 hours. The days are the time when the sun is above the horizon line and night is when it is under. However this was inconsistent with the various angle the sun makes with the earth depending the on the place we are on the planet. Ancient Greek even deduce the diameter of the earth from this phenomenon.

In order to solve this problem the modern FE model  suggest a small sun revolving above the earth disc around the polar axis. This explain the different angles, seasons, variation in day length but fails where the previous one succeed: explaining a 24 hrs day. If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice. If the sun have a constant speed (scalar) it would mean that the longest day of the year at equator would be of 6 hours. Moreover, this length would decrease toward zero as we approach zero toward the north pole and Antartica.

I don't want to underestimate the creative minds of flat earther but I think this is a tough one. Only the round earth model can explain both the annual and daily phenomena at the same time.

 

Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Pseudointellect on June 22, 2010, 06:07:53 PM
Parsifal sorry, you look like a stupid troll. Or maybe you are a stupid troll. Why we have to prove that the sky always exist? And why we have to prove everything, while you dont prove anything till now. Prove that the sky was not there in 2000 BC. Logic make us thoughts that the sky was there many many years before that date. So, for one time, prove what you are saying.

Logic doesn't make us think anything about the physical world. Since none of us were around in 2000 BC, we have no reason to believe that the sky existed back then.

And the light is a radiation, so it has an angle. If you dont believe me, believe in your eyes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cloud_in_the_sunlight.jpg)

Exactly where in this picture does light have an angle? I am intrigued by your claim.

How do you know none of us were around in 2000 BC? I'd say that's more likely than the sun being a projection since then.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 22, 2010, 08:25:43 PM
Day length of 1/4 of a day cycle (6 hrs) according to today's time or when?

Using the lunisolar, the lunar, or solar calendar?

If I correctly understand, the flat earth model is an attempt to explain most of the observable phenomenon on the earth. All the observation from outerspace are called hoax or conspiracy.

However, even if all the explanation for phenomena as the disappearing of a boat or terrestrial gravitation are acceptable the FE model still fail to explain the primary phenomenon it is suppose to explain: day cycle.

The ancient flat earth model  supposed that the far sun revolve around the flat earth in 24 hours. The days are the time when the sun is above the horizon line and night is when it is under. However this was inconsistent with the various angle the sun makes with the earth depending the on the place we are on the planet. Ancient Greek even deduce the diameter of the earth from this phenomenon.

In order to solve this problem the modern FE model  suggest a small sun revolving above the earth disc around the polar axis. This explain the different angles, seasons, variation in day length but fails where the previous one succeed: explaining a 24 hrs day. If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice. If the sun have a constant speed (scalar) it would mean that the longest day of the year at equator would be of 6 hours. Moreover, this length would decrease toward zero as we approach zero toward the north pole and Antartica.

I don't want to underestimate the creative minds of flat earther but I think this is a tough one. Only the round earth model can explain both the annual and daily phenomena at the same time.



6hrs, as you would only receive daylight for a maximum of 6 hours the definite unit of time.
night would then be a minimum of 18hrs. this is based of of the spotlight theory that is most prominent in FE. In reality the Sun at the equinox should shine a semicircle that rotates around the center, if the world were flat
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 23, 2010, 01:32:44 AM
Parsifal sorry, you look like a stupid troll. Or maybe you are a stupid troll. Why we have to prove that the sky always exist? And why we have to prove everything, while you dont prove anything till now. Prove that the sky was not there in 2000 BC. Logic make us thoughts that the sky was there many many years before that date. So, for one time, prove what you are saying.

Logic doesn't make us think anything about the physical world. Since none of us were around in 2000 BC, we have no reason to believe that the sky existed back then.

And the light is a radiation, so it has an angle. If you dont believe me, believe in your eyes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cloud_in_the_sunlight.jpg)

Exactly where in this picture does light have an angle? I am intrigued by your claim.

How do you know none of us were around in 2000 BC? I'd say that's more likely than the sun being a projection since then.

What is this story of the projection now?? I just dont understand this bullshit! Projection of what on what and in what way?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 23, 2010, 02:05:54 AM
Parsifal sorry, you look like a stupid troll. Or maybe you are a stupid troll. Why we have to prove that the sky always exist? And why we have to prove everything, while you dont prove anything till now. Prove that the sky was not there in 2000 BC. Logic make us thoughts that the sky was there many many years before that date. So, for one time, prove what you are saying.

Logic doesn't make us think anything about the physical world. Since none of us were around in 2000 BC, we have no reason to believe that the sky existed back then.

And the light is a radiation, so it has an angle. If you dont believe me, believe in your eyes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cloud_in_the_sunlight.jpg)

Exactly where in this picture does light have an angle? I am intrigued by your claim.

How do you know none of us were around in 2000 BC? I'd say that's more likely than the sun being a projection since then.

What is this story of the projection now?? I just dont understand this bullshit! Projection of what on what and in what way?
he's saying that the sky didn't exist before the conspiracy. when the conspiracy came around, they built a gigantic screen way up in the air, which we now think is the sky. therefore the sun, moon, and stars are just an illusion controllable by this gigantic screen. Therefore sunlight doesn't come from the sun, which doesn't exist as we think it does.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Neon_Knight on June 23, 2010, 02:24:17 AM
Ref - my post about old trees existing, and shadows on the sky etc.

Pretty sure this claim has now been made redundantly false.

Also - I'm aware most of the people on these forums are trolls, I'm just playing along... hence the tongue-in-cheek reply about 3d cinema on the sky.  ;)
(I don't really think 3d cinema on the sky would be a very good idea, the clouds would get in the way and there wouldn't be any sound.  In fact, it'd be awful)
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: SSSavio on June 23, 2010, 02:37:21 AM
Parsifal sorry, you look like a stupid troll. Or maybe you are a stupid troll. Why we have to prove that the sky always exist? And why we have to prove everything, while you dont prove anything till now. Prove that the sky was not there in 2000 BC. Logic make us thoughts that the sky was there many many years before that date. So, for one time, prove what you are saying.

Logic doesn't make us think anything about the physical world. Since none of us were around in 2000 BC, we have no reason to believe that the sky existed back then.

And the light is a radiation, so it has an angle. If you dont believe me, believe in your eyes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cloud_in_the_sunlight.jpg)

Exactly where in this picture does light have an angle? I am intrigued by your claim.

How do you know none of us were around in 2000 BC? I'd say that's more likely than the sun being a projection since then.

What is this story of the projection now?? I just dont understand this bullshit! Projection of what on what and in what way?
he's saying that the sky didn't exist before the conspiracy. when the conspiracy came around, they built a gigantic screen way up in the air, which we now think is the sky. therefore the sun, moon, and stars are just an illusion controllable by this gigantic screen. Therefore sunlight doesn't come from the sun, which doesn't exist as we think it does.

LOLWUT? Are you kidding me? We are here talking about a giant canvas? and the sky is projected on it? This cannot be real.

And in what way this happen? I think there is a incredibly huge and complex machine that do so, and i just dont take in account how is it possible to put a giant canvas in the middle of nowhere!!

And what this can be related with the sentence:

"How do you know none of us were around in 2000 BC? I'd say that's more likely than the sun being a projection since then."
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 23, 2010, 05:26:42 AM
Parsifal sorry, you look like a stupid troll. Or maybe you are a stupid troll. Why we have to prove that the sky always exist? And why we have to prove everything, while you dont prove anything till now. Prove that the sky was not there in 2000 BC. Logic make us thoughts that the sky was there many many years before that date. So, for one time, prove what you are saying.

Logic doesn't make us think anything about the physical world. Since none of us were around in 2000 BC, we have no reason to believe that the sky existed back then.

And the light is a radiation, so it has an angle. If you dont believe me, believe in your eyes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cloud_in_the_sunlight.jpg)

Exactly where in this picture does light have an angle? I am intrigued by your claim.

How do you know none of us were around in 2000 BC? I'd say that's more likely than the sun being a projection since then.

What is this story of the projection now?? I just dont understand this bullshit! Projection of what on what and in what way?
he's saying that the sky didn't exist before the conspiracy. when the conspiracy came around, they built a gigantic screen way up in the air, which we now think is the sky. therefore the sun, moon, and stars are just an illusion controllable by this gigantic screen. Therefore sunlight doesn't come from the sun, which doesn't exist as we think it does.

LOLWUT? Are you kidding me? We are here talking about a giant canvas? and the sky is projected on it? This cannot be real.

And in what way this happen? I think there is a incredibly huge and complex machine that do so, and i just dont take in account how is it possible to put a giant canvas in the middle of nowhere!!

And what this can be related with the sentence:

"How do you know none of us were around in 2000 BC? I'd say that's more likely than the sun being a projection since then."

He's trolling. Best to ignore him. When he's out of anything to argue, he reaches for an absurd solution. basically he can claim life is like the matrix, some imaginary force exists to make the earth appear round, but it is still flat.

Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: babsinva on June 24, 2010, 12:12:18 AM

My response was given based on lon445's post, of which you answered as 6 hrs, but consider this - scroll to bottom.


Day length of 1/4 of a day cycle (6 hrs) according to today's time or when?

Using the lunisolar, the lunar, or solar calendar?

If I correctly understand, the flat earth model is an attempt to explain most of the observable phenomenon on the earth. All the observation from outerspace are called hoax or conspiracy.

However, even if all the explanation for phenomena as the disappearing of a boat or terrestrial gravitation are acceptable the FE model still fail to explain the primary phenomenon it is suppose to explain: day cycle.

The ancient flat earth model  supposed that the far sun revolve around the flat earth in 24 hours. The days are the time when the sun is above the horizon line and night is when it is under. However this was inconsistent with the various angle the sun makes with the earth depending the on the place we are on the planet. Ancient Greek even deduce the diameter of the earth from this phenomenon.

In order to solve this problem the modern FE model  suggest a small sun revolving above the earth disc around the polar axis. This explain the different angles, seasons, variation in day length but fails where the previous one succeed: explaining a 24 hrs day. If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice. If the sun have a constant speed (scalar) it would mean that the longest day of the year at equator would be of 6 hours. Moreover, this length would decrease toward zero as we approach zero toward the north pole and Antartica.

I don't want to underestimate the creative minds of flat earther but I think this is a tough one. Only the round earth model can explain both the annual and daily phenomena at the same time.



6hrs, as you would only receive daylight for a maximum of 6 hours the definite unit of time.
night would then be a minimum of 18hrs. this is based of of the spotlight theory that is most prominent in FE. In reality the Sun at the equinox should shine a semicircle that rotates around the center, if the world were flat

I was not just mentioning lunar as in monthly or yearly, but also daily.  A lunar day (not with respects to space exploration) is also called a "tidal day", by oceanographers.  This is the time it takes for the earth to complete one full rotation on its axis with respect to the moon, which is NOT 24 hrs at all.  It is instead 24 hrs, 50 minutes, and 28 seconds.

Additionally in lunar calendars of the Hindus, (which is not completely and truly lunar) their lunar day is the time that it takes for the longitudinal angle between the sun and the moon to increase by 12 %, which also would not be 24 hrs.

Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 24, 2010, 03:54:22 AM

My response was given based on lon445's post, of which you answered as 6 hrs, but consider this - scroll to bottom.


Day length of 1/4 of a day cycle (6 hrs) according to today's time or when?

Using the lunisolar, the lunar, or solar calendar?

If I correctly understand, the flat earth model is an attempt to explain most of the observable phenomenon on the earth. All the observation from outerspace are called hoax or conspiracy.

However, even if all the explanation for phenomena as the disappearing of a boat or terrestrial gravitation are acceptable the FE model still fail to explain the primary phenomenon it is suppose to explain: day cycle.

The ancient flat earth model  supposed that the far sun revolve around the flat earth in 24 hours. The days are the time when the sun is above the horizon line and night is when it is under. However this was inconsistent with the various angle the sun makes with the earth depending the on the place we are on the planet. Ancient Greek even deduce the diameter of the earth from this phenomenon.

In order to solve this problem the modern FE model  suggest a small sun revolving above the earth disc around the polar axis. This explain the different angles, seasons, variation in day length but fails where the previous one succeed: explaining a 24 hrs day. If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice. If the sun have a constant speed (scalar) it would mean that the longest day of the year at equator would be of 6 hours. Moreover, this length would decrease toward zero as we approach zero toward the north pole and Antartica.

I don't want to underestimate the creative minds of flat earther but I think this is a tough one. Only the round earth model can explain both the annual and daily phenomena at the same time.



6hrs, as you would only receive daylight for a maximum of 6 hours the definite unit of time.
night would then be a minimum of 18hrs. this is based of of the spotlight theory that is most prominent in FE. In reality the Sun at the equinox should shine a semicircle that rotates around the center, if the world were flat

I was not just mentioning lunar as in monthly or yearly, but also daily.  A lunar day (not with respects to space exploration) is also called a "tidal day", by oceanographers.  This is the time it takes for the earth to complete one full rotation on its axis with respect to the moon, which is NOT 24 hrs at all.  It is instead 24 hrs, 50 minutes, and 28 seconds.

Additionally in lunar calendars of the Hindus, (which is not completely and truly lunar) their lunar day is the time that it takes for the longitudinal angle between the sun and the moon to increase by 12 %, which also would not be 24 hrs.



oh i sort of see... It would be based on the solar day. not the sidereal or lunar. and by 6hrs, I mean daytime not length of the cycle
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 24, 2010, 05:27:38 AM
Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: General Disarray on June 24, 2010, 06:46:51 AM
Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.

Nobody except for the OP.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 24, 2010, 07:13:32 AM
Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.

Nobody except for the OP.

There was no proof, only an unjustified leap of faith.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 24, 2010, 02:22:46 PM
Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.

That's because days can last up to 24, because the earth isn't flat. thanks for playing.
only 1/4th of the earth can be lit in spotlight theory
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: The Question1 on June 24, 2010, 02:25:20 PM
I am surprised to see no FE'er input.
Another topic for my sig.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 24, 2010, 02:27:56 PM
I am surprised to see no FE'er input.
Another topic for my sig.
there is no answer to this, other than Parsifal's canvas theory. the problem of the semi circle+ the Sun shining from beyond the void is insurmountable.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: babsinva on June 24, 2010, 07:40:23 PM


My response was given based on lon445's post, of which you answered as 6 hrs, but consider this - scroll to bottom.


Day length of 1/4 of a day cycle (6 hrs) according to today's time or when?

Using the lunisolar, the lunar, or solar calendar?

If I correctly understand, the flat earth model is an attempt to explain most of the observable phenomenon on the earth. All the observation from outerspace are called hoax or conspiracy.

However, even if all the explanation for phenomena as the disappearing of a boat or terrestrial gravitation are acceptable the FE model still fail to explain the primary phenomenon it is suppose to explain: day cycle.

The ancient flat earth model  supposed that the far sun revolve around the flat earth in 24 hours. The days are the time when the sun is above the horizon line and night is when it is under. However this was inconsistent with the various angle the sun makes with the earth depending the on the place we are on the planet. Ancient Greek even deduce the diameter of the earth from this phenomenon.

In order to solve this problem the modern FE model  suggest a small sun revolving above the earth disc around the polar axis. This explain the different angles, seasons, variation in day length but fails where the previous one succeed: explaining a 24 hrs day. If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice. If the sun have a constant speed (scalar) it would mean that the longest day of the year at equator would be of 6 hours. Moreover, this length would decrease toward zero as we approach zero toward the north pole and Antartica.

I don't want to underestimate the creative minds of flat earther but I think this is a tough one. Only the round earth model can explain both the annual and daily phenomena at the same time.



6hrs, as you would only receive daylight for a maximum of 6 hours the definite unit of time.
night would then be a minimum of 18hrs. this is based of of the spotlight theory that is most prominent in FE. In reality the Sun at the equinox should shine a semicircle that rotates around the center, if the world were flat

I was not just mentioning lunar as in monthly or yearly, but also daily.  A lunar day (not with respects to space exploration) is also called a "tidal day", by oceanographers.  This is the time it takes for the earth to complete one full rotation on its axis with respect to the moon, which is NOT 24 hrs at all.  It is instead 24 hrs, 50 minutes, and 28 seconds.

Additionally in lunar calendars of the Hindus, (which is not completely and truly lunar) their lunar day is the time that it takes for the longitudinal angle between the sun and the moon to increase by 12 %, which also would not be 24 hrs.

oh i sort of see... It would be based on the solar day. not the sidereal or lunar. and by 6hrs, I mean daytime not length of the cycle  

Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.

I am with Parsifal on this one.

And VoiceofReason, perhaps you are not understanding my post.  I know you said you were NOT talking about the entire cycle or length of it, but that measurement of time has to be taken into account in order to come up with 1/4 of one day.  Based on your thought, 1/4 of 24 hrs is 6 hrs, however 1/4 of 24 Hrs, 50 min, and 28 seconds, which is a "tidal day" nets a different result.  Now doesn't it?


Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Parsifal on June 24, 2010, 09:17:19 PM
Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.

That's because days can last up to 24, because the earth isn't flat. thanks for playing.
only 1/4th of the earth can be lit in spotlight theory

I meant in the FE model, obviously.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 25, 2010, 01:15:51 AM


My response was given based on lon445's post, of which you answered as 6 hrs, but consider this - scroll to bottom.


Day length of 1/4 of a day cycle (6 hrs) according to today's time or when?

Using the lunisolar, the lunar, or solar calendar?

If I correctly understand, the flat earth model is an attempt to explain most of the observable phenomenon on the earth. All the observation from outerspace are called hoax or conspiracy.

However, even if all the explanation for phenomena as the disappearing of a boat or terrestrial gravitation are acceptable the FE model still fail to explain the primary phenomenon it is suppose to explain: day cycle.

The ancient flat earth model  supposed that the far sun revolve around the flat earth in 24 hours. The days are the time when the sun is above the horizon line and night is when it is under. However this was inconsistent with the various angle the sun makes with the earth depending the on the place we are on the planet. Ancient Greek even deduce the diameter of the earth from this phenomenon.

In order to solve this problem the modern FE model  suggest a small sun revolving above the earth disc around the polar axis. This explain the different angles, seasons, variation in day length but fails where the previous one succeed: explaining a 24 hrs day. If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice. If the sun have a constant speed (scalar) it would mean that the longest day of the year at equator would be of 6 hours. Moreover, this length would decrease toward zero as we approach zero toward the north pole and Antartica.

I don't want to underestimate the creative minds of flat earther but I think this is a tough one. Only the round earth model can explain both the annual and daily phenomena at the same time.



6hrs, as you would only receive daylight for a maximum of 6 hours the definite unit of time.
night would then be a minimum of 18hrs. this is based of of the spotlight theory that is most prominent in FE. In reality the Sun at the equinox should shine a semicircle that rotates around the center, if the world were flat

I was not just mentioning lunar as in monthly or yearly, but also daily.  A lunar day (not with respects to space exploration) is also called a "tidal day", by oceanographers.  This is the time it takes for the earth to complete one full rotation on its axis with respect to the moon, which is NOT 24 hrs at all.  It is instead 24 hrs, 50 minutes, and 28 seconds.

Additionally in lunar calendars of the Hindus, (which is not completely and truly lunar) their lunar day is the time that it takes for the longitudinal angle between the sun and the moon to increase by 12 %, which also would not be 24 hrs.

oh i sort of see... It would be based on the solar day. not the sidereal or lunar. and by 6hrs, I mean daytime not length of the cycle  

Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.

I am with Parsifal on this one.

And VoiceofReason, perhaps you are not understanding my post.  I know you said you were NOT talking about the entire cycle or length of it, but that measurement of time has to be taken into account in order to come up with 1/4 of one day.  Based on your thought, 1/4 of 24 hrs is 6 hrs, however 1/4 of 24 Hrs, 50 min, and 28 seconds, which is a "tidal day" nets a different result.  Now doesn't it?

total day is still solar... we take 1/4th of the solar day, because all of this is based on the sun's movement. this isn't about the moon at all, its based on the geometry of the FE model. also I don't get Parsifal's point. ok I see, it would be better to say an average day length of 6hrs. The following observations regard when the earth is at equinox.
RE model
You'd get 12 hours everywhere

FE Model
Near the pole, you'd get 12hrs of daylight
at 45N you'd get about 10 hours
at the equator you would get 8 hours
at 45S you'd get about 5.5 hours
Near the Icewall you'd get almost none

We know the average length of day is the size of the projection/size of earth which is 1/4of a day
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Crustinator on June 25, 2010, 02:42:31 AM
I meant in the FE model, obviously.

Read the OP.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: babsinva on June 30, 2010, 02:05:54 PM

Read the OP.




I was not just mentioning lunar as in monthly or yearly, but also daily.  A lunar day (not with respects to space exploration) is also called a "tidal day", by oceanographers.  This is the time it takes for the earth to complete one full rotation on its axis with respect to the moon, which is NOT 24 hrs at all.  It is instead 24 hrs, 50 minutes, and 28 seconds.

Additionally in lunar calendars of the Hindus, (which is not completely and truly lunar) their lunar day is the time that it takes for the longitudinal angle between the sun and the moon to increase by 12 %, which also would not be 24 hrs.

oh i sort of see... It would be based on the solar day. not the sidereal or lunar. and by 6hrs, I mean daytime not length of the cycle  

Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.

I am with Parsifal on this one.

And VoiceofReason, perhaps you are not understanding my post.  I know you said you were NOT talking about the entire cycle or length of it, but that measurement of time has to be taken into account in order to come up with 1/4 of one day.  Based on your thought, 1/4 of 24 hrs is 6 hrs, however 1/4 of 24 Hrs, 50 min, and 28 seconds, which is a "tidal day" nets a different result.  Now doesn't it?


total day is still solar... we take 1/4th of the solar day, because all of this is based on the sun's movement. this isn't about the moon at all, its based on the geometry of the FE model. also I don't get Parsifal's point. ok I see, it would be better to say an average day length of 6hrs. The following observations regard when the earth is at equinox.
RE model
You'd get 12 hours everywhere

FE Model
Near the pole, you'd get 12hrs of daylight
at 45N you'd get about 10 hours
at the equator you would get 8 hours
at 45S you'd get about 5.5 hours
Near the Icewall you'd get almost none

We know the average length of day is the size of the projection/size of earth which is 1/4of a day

I will address the part I highlighted in blue >>>

1)  Only at the 2 equinoxes does the 12 hour daylight hold up everywhere but that's only twice a year, and you never mentioned that in your original post "at equinox only."  Additionally you are basing the solar day on 24 hours with 1/4 of that being 6 hrs, with 12 of those 24 hours as daylight hours, - solely on what happens at equinox AND only as it relates to the solar day, and not the lunar day, which is more, or sidereal day which is less.  Quite a stretch if you are basing it on that small pinpointed criteria.

2)  Also on the days near or surrounding the equinoxes, both poles experience 24 hours of daylight (or daytime) hours.

Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on July 03, 2010, 08:38:51 AM

Read the OP.




I was not just mentioning lunar as in monthly or yearly, but also daily.  A lunar day (not with respects to space exploration) is also called a "tidal day", by oceanographers.  This is the time it takes for the earth to complete one full rotation on its axis with respect to the moon, which is NOT 24 hrs at all.  It is instead 24 hrs, 50 minutes, and 28 seconds.

Additionally in lunar calendars of the Hindus, (which is not completely and truly lunar) their lunar day is the time that it takes for the longitudinal angle between the sun and the moon to increase by 12 %, which also would not be 24 hrs.

oh i sort of see... It would be based on the solar day. not the sidereal or lunar. and by 6hrs, I mean daytime not length of the cycle  

Nobody has yet shown any proof of the 6 hour limit to the length of a day.

I am with Parsifal on this one.

And VoiceofReason, perhaps you are not understanding my post.  I know you said you were NOT talking about the entire cycle or length of it, but that measurement of time has to be taken into account in order to come up with 1/4 of one day.  Based on your thought, 1/4 of 24 hrs is 6 hrs, however 1/4 of 24 Hrs, 50 min, and 28 seconds, which is a "tidal day" nets a different result.  Now doesn't it?


total day is still solar... we take 1/4th of the solar day, because all of this is based on the sun's movement. this isn't about the moon at all, its based on the geometry of the FE model. also I don't get Parsifal's point. ok I see, it would be better to say an average day length of 6hrs. The following observations regard when the earth is at equinox.
RE model
You'd get 12 hours everywhere

FE Model
Near the pole, you'd get 12hrs of daylight
at 45N you'd get about 10 hours
at the equator you would get 8 hours
at 45S you'd get about 5.5 hours
Near the Icewall you'd get almost none

We know the average length of day is the size of the projection/size of earth which is 1/4of a day

I will address the part I highlighted in blue >>>

1)  Only at the 2 equinoxes does the 12 hour daylight hold up everywhere but that's only twice a year, and you never mentioned that in your original post "at equinox only."  Additionally you are basing the solar day on 24 hours with 1/4 of that being 6 hrs, with 12 of those 24 hours as daylight hours, - solely on what happens at equinox AND only as it relates to the solar day, and not the lunar day, which is more, or sidereal day which is less.  Quite a stretch if you are basing it on that small pinpointed criteria.

2)  Also on the days near or surrounding the equinoxes, both poles experience 24 hours of daylight (or daytime) hours.


Who cares about the lunar or sidereal days? we are talking about the sun and the earth ITT.
The other day types are irrelevant to daylight. and I'm talking about equinox, because if it fails at equinox, the theory fails. the equinox is the easiest one to calculate, I don't see why you have a problem with this idea or why you are talking about time according to the moon, tides, or stars. The only important thing about the day is the sun. The other days are only time keeping methods. They have nothing to do with the physical day i.e. sun rise, noon, sundown, night.

and for your second point, that is even worse for FE, because explain how parts of the south pole could possibly get 24 hours of daylight. ever.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: TheJackel on July 13, 2010, 10:52:40 PM
Big clue:

Regardless where the sun is visible rising east, setting west, or from the North and South pole, or directly at high noon over head, all the observers in relation to this prove the spotlight disk Sun an utter laughable joke.. Why? Because you can call all these places and ask them the shape of the sun, what time of day it is, where in the sky is the sun, what angle the Sun is in according to the horizon and their point of perspective.. And guess what shape the sun is to all of these observers is... That's right, a 360 degree circle LOL, and worse yet if you do the angular calculations for each observer.. you establish the following facts:

A: the Sun is not a spotlight shining down over a flat plane LMAO
B: the angular math actually proves that the Earth is a sphere, and that the Sun can not be a flat disk and is also a Sphere..


And in regards to the Sun's distance.. Any moron that knows how to measure distance via redshift will understand why the Sun isn't 33,000 miles away.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: ClockTower on July 13, 2010, 11:16:49 PM
And in regards to the Sun's distance.. Any moron that knows how to measure distance via redshift will understand why the Sun isn't 33,000 miles away.
I think you mean by parallax, and it's actually hard to due without a total solar eclipse. Though any one with an open mind can repeat the parallax measurements of satellites and even the Moon. So, yes, we do know that the FAQ has those distances wrong.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: TheJackel on July 14, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
And in regards to the Sun's distance.. Any moron that knows how to measure distance via redshift will understand why the Sun isn't 33,000 miles away.
I think you mean by parallax, and it's actually hard to due without a total solar eclipse. Though any one with an open mind can repeat the parallax measurements of satellites and even the Moon. So, yes, we do know that the FAQ has those distances wrong.

We don't have to measure the Sun, We can measure the orbiting planets that pass behind the sun and the ones that are closer to the sun, or planets passing in front of the sun.. Such as Mercury and Venus.. You can also off angle measure the Sun's red shift on all four sides including the center to get an accurate estimated distance.. We don't get the distance from the sun so accurately because we are stupid. the redshift of an object can be measured by examining atomic absorption or emission lines in its spectrum. Redshifts can be caused by the motion of a source away from an observer such as our own sun, and the planets around it. The other method we can use other than using Parallax, or by red shifting is via Radar. And Radar is far more accurate than Parallax (a mathematical equation your site epically failed at to start with) We can know for example what Venus's distance from Earth is by measuring it directly and extremely accurately with radar. A beam of radiation is aimed at the planet and the time it takes to receive the echo is measured using the atomic clock. Because the speed of light is known exactly, the distance to Venus is half the time (the signal travels there and back) divided by the speed of light. And since we know that Venus is closer to us than the Sun is, we can establish that FE's numbers are actually pretty pathetic. If The sun was only 33,000 miles it's red shift and radar signature would confirm it, and unfortunately for FE, it doesn't even come close.. FE really fails at checking it's data much less it's false mathematics according to visual interpretation. The Faq isn't even remotely in the same ball park.. And I can't even consider it worthy of my attention.

Rounded Radar distances from the Sun:
And I round these numbers due to elliptical orbits.

Mercury   58,000,000 km
Venus   108,000,000 km
Earth           150,000,000 km
Mars           228,000,000 km
Jupiter   779,000,000 km
Saturn   1,433,000,000 km

We can verify this by triangulating the the sun between the other known planets that orbit it just on the radar data alone.. It doesn't matter if we use Venus or Mars.. Radar is microwave electromagnetic radiation and it travels at the speed of light. So we can get the distance of the Sun as follows:

(http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Sun/venusdist.gif)

And this is how an Astronomical Unit is determined..
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: ClockTower on July 14, 2010, 01:12:37 AM
And in regards to the Sun's distance.. Any moron that knows how to measure distance via redshift will understand why the Sun isn't 33,000 miles away.
I think you mean by parallax, and it's actually hard to due without a total solar eclipse. Though any one with an open mind can repeat the parallax measurements of satellites and even the Moon. So, yes, we do know that the FAQ has those distances wrong.

We don't have to measure the Sun, We can measure the orbiting planets that pass behind the sun and the ones that are closer to the sun, or planets passing in front of the sun.. Such as Mercury and Venus.. You can also off angle measure the Sun's red shift on all four sides including the center to get an accurate estimated distance.. We don't get the distance from the sun so accurately because we are stupid. the redshift of an object can be measured by examining atomic absorption or emission lines in its spectrum. Redshifts can be caused by the motion of a source away from an observer such as our own sun, and the planets around it. The other method we can use other than using Parallax is Radar.
Please note that I'm a REer, so telling me about the problems in the FAQ's answers is "preaching to the choir". I do have to point out that there are several errors in your post, though. Again, redshift while useful in determining the distance to extra-galactic bodies doesn't help with the Sun. Measuring the redshift at five locations would help us understand its rotation, though. Radar distancing does not, to my knowledge, rely on parallax. It relies only on the speed of light and the time between signal and its return.

Otherwise, you are correct. FET's "opinion" about the distance and size of various objects can be readily determined by any open-minded person willing to spend a day's effort to set and then later execute an experiment.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: TheJackel on July 14, 2010, 01:18:07 AM
Sorry, it's wicked late and when I hear "FAQ" when tired, my brain auto argues as if you were an FE'R :) My apologies :P

Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 14, 2010, 01:19:04 AM
Otherwise, you are correct. FET's "opinion" about the distance and size of various objects can be readily determined by any open-minded person willing to spend a day's effort to set and then later execute an experiment.

Under the interpretation of a Flat Earth the Eratosthenes parallax experiment can calculate the sun to several thousand miles away from the earth's surface.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: ClockTower on July 14, 2010, 01:31:46 AM
Otherwise, you are correct. FET's "opinion" about the distance and size of various objects can be readily determined by any open-minded person willing to spend a day's effort to set and then later execute an experiment.

Under the interpretation of a Flat Earth the Eratosthenes parallax experiment can calculate the sun to several thousand miles away from the earth's surface.
False. Show your work. According to Eratosthenes, the parallax experiment calculated the circumference of the Earth. If you're going to argue that it shows that height of the Sun over an FE,then you're force to give up on your contention that the Sun's true position in the sky can't be determined.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: John Davis on July 14, 2010, 01:34:14 AM
Otherwise, you are correct. FET's "opinion" about the distance and size of various objects can be readily determined by any open-minded person willing to spend a day's effort to set and then later execute an experiment.

Under the interpretation of a Flat Earth the Eratosthenes parallax experiment can calculate the sun to several thousand miles away from the earth's surface.
False. Show your work. According to Eratosthenes, the parallax experiment calculated the circumference of the Earth. If you're going to argue that it shows that height of the Sun over an FE,then you're force to give up on your contention that the Sun's true position in the sky can't be determined.
Howdy crustinator
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: TheJackel on July 14, 2010, 02:23:55 AM
Otherwise, you are correct. FET's "opinion" about the distance and size of various objects can be readily determined by any open-minded person willing to spend a day's effort to set and then later execute an experiment.

Under the interpretation of a Flat Earth the Eratosthenes parallax experiment can calculate the sun to several thousand miles away from the earth's surface.

I already have, Your mathematics is like as retarded as a preschooler trying to do calculus. You might want to go back to school before you post false mathematical conclusions. And sorry son, Radar triangulation is the most accurate way to measure or to determine the distance of the sun. Please, I love a denier that can't even properly do math. Your Math has a severe smell of Parrallax Error manipulation.. I would love to compare your calculations to that of others including my own, but i doubt you are going to release that data to me ;) And it's surely not Posted in your FAQ. .. Accurate calculations of distance based on stellar parallax require a measurement of the distance from the Earth to the Sun are based on radar reflection off the surfaces of planets. This to which means you Epically Fail in honest mathematics..
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: markjo on July 14, 2010, 07:18:07 AM
Otherwise, you are correct. FET's "opinion" about the distance and size of various objects can be readily determined by any open-minded person willing to spend a day's effort to set and then later execute an experiment.

Under the interpretation of a Flat Earth the Eratosthenes parallax experiment can calculate the sun to several thousand miles away from the earth's surface.

And Rowbotham's interpretation put the distance of the sun at less than 800 miles.  Such inconsistent results suggest that the FE interpretation of parallax is flawed.
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: TheJackel on July 14, 2010, 02:32:26 PM
Otherwise, you are correct. FET's "opinion" about the distance and size of various objects can be readily determined by any open-minded person willing to spend a day's effort to set and then later execute an experiment.

Under the interpretation of a Flat Earth the Eratosthenes parallax experiment can calculate the sun to several thousand miles away from the earth's surface.

And Rowbotham's interpretation put the distance of the sun at less than 800 miles.  Such inconsistent results suggest that the FE interpretation of parallax is flawed.

It's more than Flawed lol..  Lets review their FAQ lol

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A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, rotate at a height of 3,000 miles above sea level

These people are either mathematically retarded (as in too dumb to do the math), or they are completely just randomly tossing up figures just to mold to their fanatical ideology.. They wouldn't pass first grade mathematics because it is really that bad.. 

And someone should have told them WTF Radar is LOL.. Yeah we measured the distance to the moon for example using Radar.. And guess what ;) It's not 3 thousand miles from the Earth. These FE people are complete morons..  The distance to the moon was measured by radar from October 1959 to July 1960 with a basic resolution of =150m. The measured distance from the observing station to the nearest point of the moon was corrected for the earth's rotation and the motion of the moon. In addition, the libration of the moon changes the nearest point of reflection with time. As observations were made over many months, several returns from the same lunar area were obtained. The monthly variations in distance due to lunar topography were used to derive an equivalent radar topographical map around the central region of the moon. This map provided the necessary corrections to account for lunar topographical variations. All the measured distance after applying the above corrections were used in a least square solution with the best known constants.

The Distance was measured at 384,400 km (again rounded off), and that is  238,855.086 miles

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1965IAUS...21...81Y


Reading FE mathematics is like watching a MIT Professor get 0+0 wrong LOL. Talk about Epic FAIL in the IQ department :/ 
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: Raver on July 14, 2010, 05:49:00 PM
You do realize that they will either ignore your post or just "one-line-quote-out-of-context" it?
Title: Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
Post by: TheJackel on July 14, 2010, 06:52:43 PM
You do realize that they will either ignore your post or just "one-line-quote-out-of-context" it?

They would do that regardless, and to me that would be a victory because it shows their inability to cope or comprehend their illogical fallacy over reality. If they have to Quote mine me out of context, they has some serious psychological problems that probably wouldn't be fixable no matter what information they are given to which invalidates their ideological construct of worship. So it's no skin off my back, and I find that rather amusing if they do ;) It really just goes to show how unintelligent they are, and I'm sure it pisses them off to no end. They know it would be a moronic thing to do to post their supposed data, especially when you have people like me around that can crunch the numbers lol ;P