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Title: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Super Duper on May 06, 2010, 01:10:48 PM
If the Earth is flat, has anyone ever been to the edge?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2010, 01:23:18 PM
Andrea Barns did, but she never made it back.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: flyingmonkey on May 06, 2010, 01:25:03 PM
Pretty sure multiple FEs must have to know what was there for their theory.

Oh who am I kidding
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Super Duper on May 06, 2010, 01:51:40 PM
Andrea Barns did, but she never made it back.

How do you know that she made it if she did not survive to tell the story? How do you know she is a reliable source?

Also, adding to the original post: what is the commonly accepted theory of the edge of the Earth?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2010, 02:11:08 PM
Andrea Barns did, but she never made it back.

How do you know that she made it if she did not survive to tell the story? How do you know she is a reliable source?

A note was found among the remains of her expedition saying that she found it and had pictures to prove it.  Unfortunately, someone carelessly opened the camera and ruined the exposed film.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Catchpa on May 06, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
If the Earth is flat, has anyone ever been to the edge?

Charles Bolden and Lori Garver I guess.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Ellipsis on May 06, 2010, 02:17:15 PM
Lots of FEers say there is no edge and it's just a continuous land of ice forever.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Super Duper on May 06, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
Andrea Barns did, but she never made it back.

How do you know that she made it if she did not survive to tell the story? How do you know she is a reliable source?

A note was found among the remains of her expedition saying that she found it and had pictures to prove it.  Unfortunately, someone carelessly opened the camera and ruined the exposed film.

Where can I find a copy of her notes? The ruined photo story is interesting.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2010, 02:32:01 PM
I don't know if her notes still exist or not, but her expedition was the subject of a documentary some years ago.  Here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en#
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Super Duper on May 06, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
I don't know if her notes still exist or not, but her expedition was the subject of a documentary some years ago.  Here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en#

How can you cite her expedition as a valid response if you don't know anything about it? That isn't nice.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2010, 02:50:23 PM
I don't know if her notes still exist or not, but her expedition was the subject of a documentary some years ago.  Here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en#

How can you cite her expedition as a valid response if you don't know anything about it? That isn't nice.

You're new here, aren't you?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Super Duper on May 06, 2010, 03:10:17 PM
I don't know if her notes still exist or not, but her expedition was the subject of a documentary some years ago.  Here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en#

How can you cite her expedition as a valid response if you don't know anything about it? That isn't nice.

You're new here, aren't you?

"Posts: 5" ... Yes you are correct. What is your point, exactly?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Lorddave on May 06, 2010, 03:11:35 PM
I don't know if her notes still exist or not, but her expedition was the subject of a documentary some years ago.  Here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en#

How can you cite her expedition as a valid response if you don't know anything about it? That isn't nice.

You're new here, aren't you?

"Posts: 5" ... Yes you are correct. What is your point, exactly?

That you don't require evidence to be correct about FET.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Super Duper on May 06, 2010, 03:16:58 PM
I don't know if her notes still exist or not, but her expedition was the subject of a documentary some years ago.  Here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en#

How can you cite her expedition as a valid response if you don't know anything about it? That isn't nice.

You're new here, aren't you?

"Posts: 5" ... Yes you are correct. What is your point, exactly?

That you don't require evidence to be correct about FET.

Oh...Then what do you base your beliefs on? Purely faith?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: flyingmonkey on May 06, 2010, 03:27:43 PM
Welcome to FET

Expect it to be like that from here on in.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Lorddave on May 06, 2010, 03:45:20 PM
I don't know if her notes still exist or not, but her expedition was the subject of a documentary some years ago.  Here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en#

How can you cite her expedition as a valid response if you don't know anything about it? That isn't nice.

You're new here, aren't you?

"Posts: 5" ... Yes you are correct. What is your point, exactly?

That you don't require evidence to be correct about FET.

Oh...Then what do you base your beliefs on? Purely faith?

No.
They base it off a book called "Earth Not a Globe" as well as alternate and untested ideas that counteract the Round Earth Universe.  Sky Mirror, celestial gears, bendy light, perspective bright light diffusing in the atmosphere to magnifify the image of the sun to make it appear as though it's circular as it goes far away, ect...

What you'll find is that no matter what you say, think, or prove, Flat Earthers will never change their minds.  You also have people who pretend to be a flat earther for the lolz.

Then you have James and Leeve.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 06, 2010, 04:07:10 PM
Scott of the Antarctic is thought to have reached the Ice Wall prior to his assassination. What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: General Disarray on May 06, 2010, 04:51:42 PM
What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

Why and how?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 06, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

Why and how?

Because there is no sunlight there.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: General Disarray on May 06, 2010, 04:55:04 PM
What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

Why and how?

Because there is no sunlight there.

Artificial lighting exists. Your move.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Lorddave on May 06, 2010, 04:56:26 PM
What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

Why and how?

Because there is no sunlight there.

Weren't you the one who said we could colonize it?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 06, 2010, 05:03:07 PM
What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

Why and how?

Because there is no sunlight there.

Artificial lighting exists. Your move.

Those who attempt to enter the vicinity of the Ice Wall are assassinated by the Conspiracy.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: General Disarray on May 06, 2010, 05:12:31 PM
Which is it? Assassination or lack of sunlight? Your statement was that the area was "lost to human perception", but it seems like those guarding the area would be able to perceive it just fine.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 06, 2010, 05:15:11 PM
Which is it? Assassination or lack of sunlight? Your statement was that the area was "lost to human perception", but it seems like those guarding the area would be able to perceive it just fine.

Lack of Sunlight was what I meant, in the sense that if you look out into the darkness you're unlikely to see anything, but since you pressed me with a silly question, I had to give an alternate, irrelvant answer.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: General Disarray on May 06, 2010, 05:20:00 PM
Which is it? Assassination or lack of sunlight? Your statement was that the area was "lost to human perception", but it seems like those guarding the area would be able to perceive it just fine.

Lack of Sunlight was what I meant, in the sense that if you look out into the darkness you're unlikely to see anything, but since you pressed me with a silly question, I had to give an alternate, irrelvant answer.

Let me clarify then. You are able to illuminate objects which are not illuminated by the sun with light bulbs. This would enable you to see "into the darkness", would it not? How is that a silly question? I'm not the one who stated that area was lost to human perception.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Deceiver on May 06, 2010, 05:29:44 PM
Which is it? Assassination or lack of sunlight? Your statement was that the area was "lost to human perception", but it seems like those guarding the area would be able to perceive it just fine.

Lack of Sunlight was what I meant, in the sense that if you look out into the darkness you're unlikely to see anything, but since you pressed me with a silly question, I had to give an alternate, irrelvant answer.

That's why eyes have very limited use. Look into the darkness using something that can read infrared, microwave, or radio and have it translated into something you can recognize. The universe takes on incredible clarity when you use tools to extend your senses.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 06, 2010, 05:31:15 PM
Which is it? Assassination or lack of sunlight? Your statement was that the area was "lost to human perception", but it seems like those guarding the area would be able to perceive it just fine.

Lack of Sunlight was what I meant, in the sense that if you look out into the darkness you're unlikely to see anything, but since you pressed me with a silly question, I had to give an alternate, irrelvant answer.

That's why eyes have very limited use. Look into the darkness using something that can read infrared, microwave, or radio and have it translated into something you can recognize. The universe takes on incredible clarity when you use tools to extend your senses.

What is producing these media beyond the Ice Wall?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: General Disarray on May 06, 2010, 05:33:16 PM
Which is it? Assassination or lack of sunlight? Your statement was that the area was "lost to human perception", but it seems like those guarding the area would be able to perceive it just fine.

Lack of Sunlight was what I meant, in the sense that if you look out into the darkness you're unlikely to see anything, but since you pressed me with a silly question, I had to give an alternate, irrelvant answer.

That's why eyes have very limited use. Look into the darkness using something that can read infrared, microwave, or radio and have it translated into something you can recognize. The universe takes on incredible clarity when you use tools to extend your senses.

What is producing these media beyond the Ice Wall?

Well, making stuff up seems to be your area of expertise. And anything that is not at absolute zero produces some infrared radiation. Another possibility is reflection of the radiation coming from the stars.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Deceiver on May 06, 2010, 05:40:30 PM
Which is it? Assassination or lack of sunlight? Your statement was that the area was "lost to human perception", but it seems like those guarding the area would be able to perceive it just fine.

Lack of Sunlight was what I meant, in the sense that if you look out into the darkness you're unlikely to see anything, but since you pressed me with a silly question, I had to give an alternate, irrelvant answer.

That's why eyes have very limited use. Look into the darkness using something that can read infrared, microwave, or radio and have it translated into something you can recognize. The universe takes on incredible clarity when you use tools to extend your senses.

What is producing these media beyond the Ice Wall?

Well, making stuff up seems to be your area of expertise. And anything that is not at absolute zero produces some infrared radiation. Another possibility is reflection of the radiation coming from the stars.

True story. Anything that has any hint of energy at all will constantly emit electromagnetic radiation. It just so happens that our eyes detect an intermediate level of radiation, ie the visible spectrum. If it was too sensitive, the air in front of us would be utterly opaque.. too little, and you're tripping over invisible surfaces.

Here is some suggested reading...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Thermal Detonator on May 07, 2010, 02:48:01 AM
Scott of the Antarctic is thought to have reached the Ice Wall prior to his assassination. What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

What was he assasinated by? A skua?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 07, 2010, 06:19:35 AM
Scott of the Antarctic is thought to have reached the Ice Wall prior to his assassination. What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

What was he assasinated by? A skua?

The conspiracy do train attack-birds, but I think it is more likely that people committed this atrocity, since it was of such a high-profile nature and of the greatest importance.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Thermal Detonator on May 07, 2010, 02:19:38 PM
Scott of the Antarctic is thought to have reached the Ice Wall prior to his assassination. What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

What was he assasinated by? A skua?

The conspiracy do train attack-birds, but I think it is more likely that people committed this atrocity, since it was of such a high-profile nature and of the greatest importance.

Oh, please. This is beyond a joke. Scott's team had to put in an enormous amount of effort just to get to where they were, effort which had already killed a member of the team. You are suggesting some assassins were just hanging around in the blizzards waiting for them to stroll past so they could pop a cap in them, forge their diaries and make it look as if they died of exhaustion? The exploration teams of Scott and Amundsen and their support crews were the only people in the whole of Antarctica at that time. And if they were going to assassinate them, why leave the bodies where they could be found and why not kill them before they reached the pole? And even more bizarrely, why not bump off Amundsen's lot?
I know this is an ad hominem, but you, sir, are an imbecile.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Ellipsis on May 07, 2010, 02:27:06 PM
The conspiracy do train attack-birds...

And it would be silly of us to expect you to back this up, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: The Question1 on May 07, 2010, 02:30:29 PM
The conspiracy do train attack-birds...

And it would be silly of us to expect you to back this up, wouldn't it?
It wouldn't be much of a conspiracy if thier was evidence.
I'm serious,i think johannes said it on the roundearthsociety.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Thermal Detonator on May 07, 2010, 05:17:17 PM
The conspiracy do train attack-birds...

And it would be silly of us to expect you to back this up, wouldn't it?

(http://www.guzer.com/pictures/bird_poop_kid.jpg)

Teh proofs.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Ellipsis on May 09, 2010, 05:05:44 PM
I stand corrected!
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: jackofhearts on May 11, 2010, 07:03:33 PM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Deceiver on May 11, 2010, 08:25:32 PM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

James is a troll.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on May 11, 2010, 08:28:36 PM
I don't know if her notes still exist or not, but her expedition was the subject of a documentary some years ago.  Here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en#

How can you cite her expedition as a valid response if you don't know anything about it? That isn't nice.

You're new here, aren't you?

"Posts: 5" ... Yes you are correct. What is your point, exactly?

That you don't require evidence to be correct about FET.

Oh...Then what do you base your beliefs on? Purely faith?

I don't think the person you're talking to is FES,

as for FES members, they are zetetics not scientists, therefore anything proven by the global scientific community is not to be taken as fact, because they believe that there is a massive government run conspiracy suppressing the truth to make billions off of the funding that goes into  the fake scientific advances, such as space exploration. Also the scientific method is hardly valid, and any claim against aspects against FET will be met with more theories to counter act this and/or your argument will be somehow shown invalid. if your argument is infact bulletproof evidence against FET, they will use logical fallacies to distort this truth and/or stop posting in your thread.

As for FET, There is no map or working theory of anything yet, so you can't disprove it completely if you did have a valid arguement.


TL;DR Science doesn't count here. welcome to argument hell.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 12, 2010, 08:50:02 AM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

James is a troll.

Do not make personal attacks or low-content posts in the serious discussion forums. Consider this an official warning.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 12, 2010, 08:51:15 AM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

The Conspiracy does not guard every square miles of the Earth's circumference, but it is fairly easy for them to keep track of expeditions to the exterior, given that such missions are almost always widely publicised.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: jackofhearts on May 12, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

The Conspiracy does not guard every square miles of the Earth's circumference, but it is fairly easy for them to keep track of expeditions to the exterior, given that such missions are almost always widely publicised.

You guys are so unbelievably thickheaded.  'You guys' as in anyone who believes in this impossible 'Conspiracy'.  I say impossible without proof, because I don't feel I need proof to make a claim like that, even if you say otherwise.  It's not worth my time nor effort spending 5 minutes to find undeniable proof that the Conspiracy is fake. 
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Thermal Detonator on May 12, 2010, 01:26:43 PM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

The Conspiracy does not guard every square miles of the Earth's circumference, but it is fairly easy for them to keep track of expeditions to the exterior, given that such missions are almost always widely publicised.

Yes, expeditions that go there, get to their destination and usually return unscathed. Rather than being skewered by a skua on route.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on May 13, 2010, 02:49:45 PM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

The Conspiracy does not guard every square miles of the Earth's circumference, but it is fairly easy for them to keep track of expeditions to the exterior, given that such missions are almost always widely publicised.

Yes, expeditions that go there, get to their destination and usually return unscathed. Rather than being skewered by a skua on route.

Unfortunately, because FlatEarthsocientology is an outdated and superseded concept, modern technology is their greatest weakness. So it is very beneficial for them to think "oh, nobody evar goes down there, its wayy to cold", because if they were to admit that many people have gone down to that less that final frontier, their theory would get destroyed.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Deceiver on May 14, 2010, 03:05:01 PM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

The Conspiracy does not guard every square miles of the Earth's circumference, but it is fairly easy for them to keep track of expeditions to the exterior, given that such missions are almost always widely publicised.

Yes, expeditions that go there, get to their destination and usually return unscathed. Rather than being skewered by a skua on route.

Unfortunately, because FlatEarthsocientology is an outdated and superseded concept, modern technology is their greatest weakness. So it is very beneficial for them to think "oh, nobody evar goes down there, its wayy to cold", because if they were to admit that many people have gone down to that less that final frontier, their theory would get destroyed.

Little do they know that Antarctica isn't quite as horrible as a place as it was even 50 years ago. Most Universities (in the States anyway) have at least one or two geologists plus a handful of graduate students that do seasonal work there.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on May 14, 2010, 05:22:56 PM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

The Conspiracy does not guard every square miles of the Earth's circumference, but it is fairly easy for them to keep track of expeditions to the exterior, given that such missions are almost always widely publicised.

Yes, expeditions that go there, get to their destination and usually return unscathed. Rather than being skewered by a skua on route.

Unfortunately, because FlatEarthsocientology is an outdated and superseded concept, modern technology is their greatest weakness. So it is very beneficial for them to think "oh, nobody evar goes down there, its wayy to cold", because if they were to admit that many people have gone down to that less that final frontier, their theory would get destroyed.

Little do they know that Antarctica isn't quite as horrible as a place as it was even 50 years ago. Most Universities (in the States anyway) have at least one or two geologists plus a handful of graduate students that do seasonal work there.

But the conspiracy involves everyone except FES.



And everyone, I have a noob question about the edge of the earth.
what keeps the air from falling off?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: James on May 15, 2010, 07:28:19 AM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

The Conspiracy does not guard every square miles of the Earth's circumference, but it is fairly easy for them to keep track of expeditions to the exterior, given that such missions are almost always widely publicised.

Yes, expeditions that go there, get to their destination and usually return unscathed. Rather than being skewered by a skua on route.

Unfortunately, because FlatEarthsocientology is an outdated and superseded concept, modern technology is their greatest weakness. So it is very beneficial for them to think "oh, nobody evar goes down there, its wayy to cold", because if they were to admit that many people have gone down to that less that final frontier, their theory would get destroyed.

Little do they know that Antarctica isn't quite as horrible as a place as it was even 50 years ago. Most Universities (in the States anyway) have at least one or two geologists plus a handful of graduate students that do seasonal work there.

But the conspiracy involves everyone except FES.



And everyone, I have a noob question about the edge of the earth.
what keeps the air from falling off?

A large wall of ice holds in the atmolayer.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Thermal Detonator on May 15, 2010, 08:09:15 AM
I propose it's not a wall of ice but a layer of thick plastic. You are unable to prove otherwise. I demand my plastic theory be included in the FAQ as there is just as much evidence for it as there is for the Ice Wall.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: 11cookeaw1 on June 03, 2011, 04:17:28 AM
Scott of the Antarctic is thought to have reached the Ice Wall prior to his assassination. What lies beyond those great escarpments of ice is lost to human perception.

What was he assasinated by? A skua?

The conspiracy do train attack-birds, but I think it is more likely that people committed this atrocity, since it was of such a high-profile nature and of the greatest importance.
Be a bit more specific, the only attack birds they train are penguins.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: 11cookeaw1 on June 03, 2011, 04:24:11 AM
I'm a new here, but does James seriously believe someone was spotted, at the 'edge of the Earth', by the agents of this 'Conspiracy', whether they be birds or humans?  Does he not understand how impossible a conspiracy of that scale is? 

The Conspiracy does not guard every square miles of the Earth's circumference, but it is fairly easy for them to keep track of expeditions to the exterior, given that such missions are almost always widely publicised.

Yes, expeditions that go there, get to their destination and usually return unscathed. Rather than being skewered by a skua on route.

Unfortunately, because FlatEarthsocientology is an outdated and superseded concept, modern technology is their greatest weakness. So it is very beneficial for them to think "oh, nobody evar goes down there, its wayy to cold", because if they were to admit that many people have gone down to that less that final frontier, their theory would get destroyed.

Little do they know that Antarctica isn't quite as horrible as a place as it was even 50 years ago. Most Universities (in the States anyway) have at least one or two geologists plus a handful of graduate students that do seasonal work there.

But the conspiracy involves everyone except FES.



And everyone, I have a noob question about the edge of the earth.
what keeps the air from falling off?

Air doesn't exist, that's just part of the conspiracy.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: markjo on June 03, 2011, 06:36:18 AM
A large wall of ice holds in the atmolayer.

Have you ever seen this wall of ice?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: A.R. Wallace on June 03, 2011, 07:19:58 AM
My mother has been to Antarctica.  I'll have to ass her about the wall of ice.  Mostly she just reported that it's cold, grey and dismal there.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: iwanttobelieve on June 03, 2011, 09:36:02 AM
Antartica is a separate continent and does not contain the "ice wall"
also there is no real "ice wall" it is a metaphor for the edge of the known earth where the spherical sun does not shine
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Puttah on June 05, 2011, 12:00:36 AM
Antartica is a separate continent and does not contain the "ice wall"
also there is no real "ice wall" it is a metaphor for the edge of the known earth where the spherical sun does not shine
Oh I get it. We don't know anything about wherever the sun don't shine.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: New Earth on June 06, 2011, 02:56:08 AM
I said it before and I will say it again, FE biggest problem is the idea of edge. It is extremely difficult to imagine any edge to our earth and it seems physically impossible for a planet to be flat with edges from which you can just fall into deep space. Infinite flat earth model is the only flat earth model that works. The video that was posted here earlier is very good. However there is no edge, the earth continues on forever and not forever cold and sunless, just over the ice wall are more continents and more suns, paradise lands, endless beauty.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Puttah on June 06, 2011, 08:41:40 AM
You're back?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: New Earth on June 06, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
Sort of
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 06, 2011, 04:32:29 PM
And everyone, I have a noob question about the edge of the earth.
what keeps the air from falling off?

See the Atmolayer Lip Hypothesis:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Atmolayer+Lip+Hypothesis

Quote from: Wiki
Atmolayer Lip Hypothesis

The Flat Earth does not necessarily need to be physically infinite in order to contain the atmosphere. Just very big. Often we might hear "infinite earth" from Flat Earth proponents as an analogy for what exists beyond the 150 foot wall of ice at the Antarctic coast; a stretch of land incomprehensible by human standards.

In order for barometric pressure to rise and fall, an element of heat must be present. Heat creates pressure. A lack of heat results in a drop in pressure. These two elements are tightly correlated in modern physics.

In our local area the heat of the day comes from the sun, moving and swashing around wind currents from areas of low pressures to areas of high pressures with its heat. The coldness of the Antarctic tundra keeps the pressure low. Beyond the known world, where the rays of the sun do not reach, the tundra of ice and snow lays in perpetual darkness. If one could move away from the Antarctic rim into the uncharted tundra the surrounding temperatures would drop lower and lower until it nears absolute zero. Defining the exact length of the gradient would take some looking into, but at a significant distance past the edge of the Ice Wall temperatures will drop to a point where barometric pressure nears the zero mark. At this point, whether it be thousands or millions of miles beyond the Antarctic rim, the environment will gradually match that of background space, and the world can physically end without the atmosphere leaking out of it.

The atmosphere may very well exist as a lip upon the surface of the earth, held in by vast gradients of declining pressure.

Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: New Earth on June 06, 2011, 06:54:28 PM
And everyone, I have a noob question about the edge of the earth.
what keeps the air from falling off?

See the Atmolayer Lip Hypothesis:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Atmolayer+Lip+Hypothesis

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Atmolayer Lip Hypothesis

The Flat Earth does not necessarily need to be physically infinite in order to contain the atmosphere. Just very big. Often we might hear "infinite earth" from Flat Earth proponents as an analogy for what exists beyond the 150 foot wall of ice at the Antarctic coast; a stretch of land incomprehensible by human standards.

In order for barometric pressure to rise and fall, an element of heat must be present. Heat creates pressure. A lack of heat results in a drop in pressure. These two elements are tightly correlated in modern physics.

In our local area the heat of the day comes from the sun, moving and swashing around wind currents from areas of low pressures to areas of high pressures with its heat. The coldness of the Antarctic tundra keeps the pressure low. Beyond the known world, where the rays of the sun do not reach, the tundra of ice and snow lays in perpetual darkness. If one could move away from the Antarctic rim into the uncharted tundra the surrounding temperatures would drop lower and lower until it nears absolute zero. Defining the exact length of the gradient would take some looking into, but at a significant distance past the edge of the Ice Wall temperatures will drop to a point where barometric pressure nears the zero mark. At this point, whether it be thousands or millions of miles beyond the Antarctic rim, the environment will gradually match that of background space, and the world can physically end without the atmosphere leaking out of it.

The atmosphere may very well exist as a lip upon the surface of the earth, held in by vast gradients of declining pressure.




Or the earth may continue forever with infinite continents and other suns. Even if there is a sunless tundra beyond the ice wall, after a certain distance there might be other habitable worlds with their own suns. I don't know why this concept is so unacceptable to you Tom?
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 06, 2011, 06:58:17 PM
Or the earth may continue forever with infinite continents and other suns. Even if there is a sunless tundra beyond the ice wall, after a certain distance there might be other habitable worlds with their own suns. I don't know why this concept is so unacceptable to you Tom?

It's not unacceptable.

Some people say that a finite earth is unreasonable because the atmosphere would leak off. I was showing how a finite earth could work without the atmosphere leaking away.
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Puttah on June 06, 2011, 07:35:59 PM
I was showing how a finite earth could work without the atmosphere leaking away.
The air would be lost from what I can tell. In the same way if you make a tower of water and let it go, the water will spread apart, and if the outsides were so cold that they were to make the water frozen, the warmer water in the centre will still have some force to it and push the frozen water out further.

@New Earth, stick around till after December '12 so I can rub it in, please  ;D
Title: Re: Edge of the Earth
Post by: Moon squirter on June 06, 2011, 10:52:53 PM
And everyone, I have a noob question about the edge of the earth.
what keeps the air from falling off?

See the Atmolayer Lip Hypothesis:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Atmolayer+Lip+Hypothesis

Quote from: Wiki
Atmolayer Lip Hypothesis

The Flat Earth does not necessarily need to be physically infinite in order to contain the atmosphere. Just very big. Often we might hear "infinite earth" from Flat Earth proponents as an analogy for what exists beyond the 150 foot wall of ice at the Antarctic coast; a stretch of land incomprehensible by human standards.

In order for barometric pressure to rise and fall, an element of heat must be present. Heat creates pressure. A lack of heat results in a drop in pressure. These two elements are tightly correlated in modern physics.

In our local area the heat of the day comes from the sun, moving and swashing around wind currents from areas of low pressures to areas of high pressures with its heat. The coldness of the Antarctic tundra keeps the pressure low. Beyond the known world, where the rays of the sun do not reach, the tundra of ice and snow lays in perpetual darkness. If one could move away from the Antarctic rim into the uncharted tundra the surrounding temperatures would drop lower and lower until it nears absolute zero. Defining the exact length of the gradient would take some looking into, but at a significant distance past the edge of the Ice Wall temperatures will drop to a point where barometric pressure nears the zero mark. At this point, whether it be thousands or millions of miles beyond the Antarctic rim, the environment will gradually match that of background space, and the world can physically end without the atmosphere leaking out of it.

The atmosphere may very well exist as a lip upon the surface of the earth, held in by vast gradients of declining pressure.


Tom, I'm glad you consider the Ideal Gas Laws to be the absolute truth, and that any considerations about molecular energy and momentum are irrelevant.