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Title: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on April 06, 2010, 12:24:58 PM
Things not explained on FE.

Firstly,a post that summarizes nicely why i believe in RE over FE.
http://theroundearthsociety.net/index.php?topic=9.msg107#msg107

-GPS
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=36546.0 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=36546.0)
-Equinox
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25336.0
-Midnight Sun
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25214.0
-Tropic Lines
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39167.0
-Moon Shadow
Instead,a theory about an anti-moon
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39227.0

-The fact that gravity varies on the planet(For those who believe in UA.)
-Falling Meteors.
if EVERYTHING is going up because of UA,why not Meteoroids?
-International Space Station(ISS)
I think ISS's exact speed and altitude is irrelevant. The fact that it can disappear behind clouds means that it is at least 5-10km high (the usual altitude of Cirrocumulus clouds). The only other object, other than an orbiting body, that could remain at that altitude is some type of high-altitude plane. No exhaust trail or rocket flare has been observed, so it couldn't be a rocket plane. Balloons are out, as no balloon or any similar structure has been observed on the ISS.

That leaves some sort of high-altitude jet. This is unreasonable for several reasons:
  • Aerodynamics-wise, the ISS's design is horrible.
    (http://images.spaceref.com/news/2006/143942main_ISS_config.jpg)
  • If it were a jet-powered aircraft, it would have to refuel at least once per day. Not only is this conspicous and difficult to keep quiet (even more people, an air force base's worth, have to brought into the "Conspiracy"), but it would likely be very expensive. A craft the size of the ISS would require a large amount of fuel to ascend back up to altitude and remain there, and even more people would have to be paid to keep quiet. The supposed motive of the Conspiracy is monetary gain, so why would they spend so much on a deception. Surely cheaper methods of trickery are available.

An orbiting body is really the only explanation for the ISS.
-Compass
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38554.0
-Sunrise/set
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39283.60
-Angular Diameter
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39735.40
Daylight hours.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39400.0
) Earthquakes thread showing P-waves and S-waves being consistent with RET
) Why the distance of the moon and sun are accurately measured using Radar, triangulation, and parallax.

Bedford canal: http://theroundearthsociety.net/index.php?topic=76.0

Disproved proofs: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25232.msg560231#msg560231 Note this one link contains other links.


Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 06, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
I'll add,

Why Gnomonic projection works in map creation.

and

Why FET can't produce a working map.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Deceiver on April 06, 2010, 12:59:34 PM
Seismic profile would look radically different under a FE model. There would be no shadow zone as we see in our experiments today, as seismic waves would never magically reappear after a certain threshold.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 06, 2010, 01:14:41 PM
The shadow of the moon when it's not lit (ie. crater walls being lit but the surface around that crater isn't) and why it's very straight in how it looks during a half moon or during the day at certain positions.  Essentially how it looks like a shadow when, according to FE, it's really the "anti-moon".
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: 004forever on April 06, 2010, 01:44:08 PM
As it turns out, asteroids falling to Earth remain unexplained. 

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=37753.0

This seems really simple, but if you think about, FET doesn't explain it.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Deceiver on April 06, 2010, 03:33:55 PM
The existence of radioactive isotopes should not exist under the FE model.

A fusion powered sun explains this quite well (particles colliding to form unstable nuclei). However, because there is no gravity there is no process strong enough to explain the formation of elements even beyond hydrogen...
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 06, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
The existence of radioactive isotopes should not exist under the FE model.

A fusion powered sun explains this quite well (particles colliding to form unstable nuclei). However, because there is no gravity there is no process strong enough to explain the formation of elements even beyond hydrogen...

FET only says that gravity doesn't exist for the Earth.  Everything else has Gravity.

Yeah... doesn't make sense to me either.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 06, 2010, 04:40:59 PM
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Deceiver on April 06, 2010, 04:44:17 PM
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.

read the title. your wiki/faq do not explain these ideas convincingly, and in some cases, neglects them outright or are just plain copouts.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on April 06, 2010, 04:47:04 PM
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.
I think i have lurked quite enough.
Haven't seen a consistant model for the midnight sun(That doesn't involve messed up timezones)
FET does not explain the large distances it would take for someone to travel in the southern hemisphere.
And the GPS has not been proven to come from anyother source but satelites.
Even if everything else can be proven in FET,i know these 3 have not.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 06, 2010, 04:51:23 PM
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.

I'm sorry Tom but your wiki (You seem to have the most created entries) doesn't seem cover anything in the list above.  

-GPS (Not in the Wiki)
-Equinox (Not in the Wiki)
-Midnight Sun (Not in the Wiki)
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven) (Not in the Wiki)
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide. (Not in the Wiki)
-Gnomic Projections (Not in the Wiki)
-Lack of a working model. (This kinda IS the wiki)
-Moon Shadow (Not in the Wiki)
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere. (Somewhere in the Wiki... I think)
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.) (Not in the Wiki)


So either your wiki is in need of major redesign or you're trying to keep from having to answer the same question over and over again with whatever new pseudo idea you came up with.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thermal Detonator on April 07, 2010, 09:48:08 AM
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.
I think i have lurked quite enough.
Haven't seen a consistant model for the midnight sun(That doesn't involve messed up timezones)
FET does not explain the large distances it would take for someone to travel in the southern hemisphere.
And the GPS has not been proven to come from anyother source but satelites.
Even if everything else can be proven in FET,i know these 3 have not.

Other things FET can't explain:
The Horizon (given that beeny light has been disproved)
Why nobody can reach the latitude of 91o south?
Where exactly on the "disc" is the south polar base?
Why can nobody flying in a plane over Antarctica see over the edge?
Why RE maps work to the high level of accuracy they do.
Why inertial navigation systems enable you to travel in a straight line on a round earth but force you round a curve on a flat earth (but only going east-west: north-south straight lines are still allowed)?
Why the sun appears to rise due east world wide at the equinoxes?

Plus the following flat earth inconsistencies:
If the ice wall exists, why has nobody seen it?
What evidence is there to suggest the north pole is at the centre rather than the south pole?
What evidence is there to suggest the earth is a round disc rather than, say, a hexagonal prism? Given that it could conceivably be any shape, the probability of it being a disc is pissingly remote.
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Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Catchpa on April 07, 2010, 10:13:34 AM
How the conspiracy could convincingly be kept secret.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 07, 2010, 11:14:10 AM
I'm liking this thread.....the most concise yet.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 07, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: 2fst4u on April 07, 2010, 01:39:24 PM
Reading the Wiki was only half of the instructions.
Unfortunately it's the invalid half.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 07, 2010, 01:43:19 PM
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

The other was Lurk more. (ie. read a bunch of threads but not post)

If the first half wasn't helpful for anything and the second half results mostly in posts such as "read the FAQ/Wiki" how is lurking more going to help?

Oh wait, now I understand... it helps because you won't have to answer someone who doesn't post.  Got it.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thermal Detonator on April 07, 2010, 02:20:20 PM
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

There's nothing in the wicky or anywhere on the forum that answers the issues I mention.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 07, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

The other was Lurk more. (ie. read a bunch of threads but not post)

If the first half wasn't helpful for anything and the second half results mostly in posts such as "read the FAQ/Wiki" how is lurking more going to help?

There's a search function. Use it.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 07, 2010, 02:29:34 PM
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

The other was Lurk more. (ie. read a bunch of threads but not post)

If the first half wasn't helpful for anything and the second half results mostly in posts such as "read the FAQ/Wiki" how is lurking more going to help?

There's a search function. Use it.

Why do I need to use the Search function?  I've read enough of the forum to know YOUR answers to these.  I'll put one out for GPS - Cell towers or Pseudolittes combined with altered time signals.  Cell Towers don't work because there are locations with no cellular reception and no towers yet GPS works fine.  Pseudolittes are just a way of saying "Satellites are faked but appear to be real".  With logic like that, I might as well call you a pseudo-Flat Earth believer.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thermal Detonator on April 07, 2010, 02:31:31 PM
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

The other was Lurk more. (ie. read a bunch of threads but not post)

If the first half wasn't helpful for anything and the second half results mostly in posts such as "read the FAQ/Wiki" how is lurking more going to help?

There's a search function. Use it.

As I already said: there's NOTHING in the wicky OR the rest of the forum that answers the issues I mention.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: markjo on April 07, 2010, 03:12:05 PM
There's a search function. Use it.

Hate to break it to you Tom, but the search function really isn't that great.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 07, 2010, 05:37:53 PM
There's a search function. Use it.

Hate to break it to you Tom, but the search function really isn't that great.

His whole encyclopeadia is thin on everything and just wrong on far too much. Could anyone find anything on the moon in there?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on April 07, 2010, 06:21:30 PM
Add-on -

Has the FET explained whats on the other side of the disc, the "thickness" of our disc (are we like a coin or a cyclinder?), and why we a cosmically such an anomaly?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 07, 2010, 06:25:49 PM
Add-on -

Has the FET explained whats on the other side of the disc, the "thickness" of our disc (are we like a coin or a cyclinder?), and why we a cosmically such an anomaly?

Based on my readings, the answer is...

"We don't know but it's probably so good that NASA wants to keep it a secret".
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on April 07, 2010, 06:26:08 PM
Add-on -

Has the FET explained whats on the other side of the disc, the "thickness" of our disc (are we like a coin or a cyclinder?), and why we a cosmically such an anomaly?
Apparently their is this thing called a "UA"(Universal accelerator) going upwards at the same speed as gravity.
and some believe we are the center of the universe.
Which is no mystery some of the reviews i saw for ENAG were all clearly christians.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on April 07, 2010, 06:47:47 PM
I guess this thread will always be ignored by the FE'ers.
I wonder,are they looking at it,but still refusing to let go of thier belief in FET?Cause if you(or anyone else) can't back it up,you should start thinking"Maybe S/He's got a point..."
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 07, 2010, 07:16:52 PM
I guess this thread will always be ignored by the FE'ers.
I wonder,are they looking at it,but still refusing to let go of thier belief in FET?Cause if you(or anyone else) can't back it up,you should start thinking"Maybe S/He's got a point..."

Nope.
That would mean that they could be wrong and you can't be wrong if you believe you're right.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on April 07, 2010, 08:32:02 PM
The international space station.... and the fact we can directly observe it from "down here."
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 07, 2010, 10:18:26 PM
The international space station.... and the fact we can directly observe it from "down here."

And also why Jupiter can be seen to spin through any decent telescope, with the naked eye. If it spins it must be round right?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Deceiver on April 07, 2010, 11:32:04 PM
Why the sun appears to rise and set as it does...
From the FAQ:

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it's disappearing because everything gets smaller, and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

If that was the case the sun would never get anywhere near the horizontal (it would have to be literally at the base of the disk to appear that way). It would simply slowly fade away with distance into an increasing smaller dot midway in the sky. As it stands, the dot is far too massive at all times.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Grieving Furnace on April 08, 2010, 04:02:27 AM
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

An Lurking would accomplish about as much a the wiki.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lord Wilmore on April 08, 2010, 05:37:07 AM
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thermal Detonator on April 08, 2010, 05:52:24 AM
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'

An even better title would be "Things that wouldn't happen if the earth was flat"
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on April 08, 2010, 06:55:00 AM
Add-On

- The frequent movements (not just the act of rising and setting) of our star.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Catchpa on April 08, 2010, 07:00:14 AM
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'

Your definition of 'evidence' appears to be 'sources and people that agree with me'.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 08, 2010, 10:15:32 AM
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'

Typical FEer. Doesn't want to begin to explain the flaws in FET. The list at the top Wilmore is a genuine list of things NOT explained by FET. But I guess 'ignorance is bliss' as they say.

Why the sun appears to rise and set as it does...
From the FAQ:

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it's disappearing because everything gets smaller, and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

If that was the case the sun would never get anywhere near the horizontal (it would have to be literally at the base of the disk to appear that way). It would simply slowly fade away with distance into an increasing smaller dot midway in the sky. As it stands, the dot is far too massive at all times.

The other thing is that the Sun ALWAYS appears round and of course we know that the sun doesn't get significantly smaller as it sets, so it can't be moving further away to anything like the degree that FET requires.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on April 08, 2010, 11:15:32 AM
Add-on

Explain why would private individuals that explored Antarctica not report of the ice wall. They have no reason to continue the "conspiracy" and would actually make tons of money by exposing it and bringing back pictures. What? Is every single person that visits Antarctica given a sum of money and told to be quiet? If thats the case.... I want money... I want to go to Antarctica and get free money.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 08, 2010, 01:26:06 PM
Add-on

Explain why would private individuals that explored Antarctica not report of the ice wall. They have no reason to continue the "conspiracy" and would actually make tons of money by exposing it and bringing back pictures. What? Is every single person that visits Antarctica given a sum of money and told to be quiet? If thats the case.... I want money... I want to go to Antarctica and get free money.

I've been to Antarctica many times....didn't get a penny and damn is it cold.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on April 08, 2010, 01:48:17 PM
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'
Proper as in makes sense and is actually backed up.Or at the very least consistant with the FE model
Psuedolites is backed up by nothing,neither is Midnight sun.
The Suns power source is never even given.
What could power a 32 Mile wide sun for millions of years?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 08, 2010, 01:57:29 PM

What could power a 32 Mile wide sun for millions of years?

It's plugged in somewhere! It is a spotlight after all.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on April 08, 2010, 01:58:00 PM
Add-on

Explain why would private individuals that explored Antarctica not report of the ice wall. They have no reason to continue the "conspiracy" and would actually make tons of money by exposing it and bringing back pictures. What? Is every single person that visits Antarctica given a sum of money and told to be quiet? If thats the case.... I want money... I want to go to Antarctica and get free money.

I've been to Antarctica many times....didn't get a penny and damn is it cold.

Ah, but according to the FES's usual problem with evidence - you must give me a journal of your time there, pictures, an GPS log of the GPS locator implanted in your left thigh, an account of a nurse taking a sample of your blood while there (enclose blood work and pictures - preferably with awesome thumbs-up pose), and then actually say there is indeed an ice wall for them to believe you.
 

Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on April 08, 2010, 02:00:31 PM
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'
Proper as in makes sense and is actually backed up.Or at the very least consistant with the FE model
Psuedolites is backed up by nothing,neither is Midnight sun.
The Suns power source is never even given.
What could power a 32 Mile wide sun for millions of years?


Well they don't believe in nuclear fusion or fision...... so..... its God? And he decides what the seasons are.. I guess? With the angle of sunlight?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 08, 2010, 02:28:34 PM
And what about sunspots?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 02:33:01 PM
And what about sunspots?

Sometimes interstellar moths get caught up in the spotlight. Sunspots are what's left of the fried carcasses. True story.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on April 08, 2010, 03:39:15 PM
What about plate tectonics, the core, and magnetism?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on April 08, 2010, 03:43:25 PM
And what about sunspots?

Sometimes interstellar moths get caught up in the spotlight. Sunspots are what's left of the fried carcasses. True story.

I feel bad for the poor moths.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 08, 2010, 04:40:38 PM
And what about sunspots?

Sometimes interstellar moths get caught up in the spotlight. Sunspots are what's left of the fried carcasses. True story.

Too funny lol.

What about plate tectonics, the core, and magnetism?

Yeah I haven't thrown the tectonic plate science at them yet.....they haven't got past nautical mapping. How will they begin to understand plate movements and earth geology.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 09:47:23 PM
And what about sunspots?

Sometimes interstellar moths get caught up in the spotlight. Sunspots are what's left of the fried carcasses. True story.

Too funny lol.

What about plate tectonics, the core, and magnetism?

Yeah I haven't thrown the tectonic plate science at them yet.....they haven't got past nautical mapping. How will they begin to understand plate movements and earth geology.

At one point I was tempted to tell them that the deep roots of mountain chains, and eclogite roots on some cratons, would account nicely with the observed gravity anomalies much better than an unexplainable 'lopsided UA'. Something tells me they would call BS on that one though.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 08, 2010, 10:12:57 PM

At one point I was tempted to tell them that the deep roots of mountain chains, and eclogite roots on some cratons, would account nicely with the observed gravity anomalies much better than an unexplainable 'lopsided UA'. Something tells me they would call BS on that one though.

I agree (esp given the depth of some cratons), but why do any work for them? They clearly are more focused on whats above the crust than below it and will have no idea what you are talking about anyway.

Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Deceiver on April 08, 2010, 11:01:54 PM

At one point I was tempted to tell them that the deep roots of mountain chains, and eclogite roots on some cratons, would account nicely with the observed gravity anomalies much better than an unexplainable 'lopsided UA'. Something tells me they would call BS on that one though.

I agree (esp given the depth of some cratons), but why do any work for them? They clearly are more focused on whats above the crust than below it and will have no idea what you are talking about anyway.



Yeah. Personally, I think the fact that it takes longer to fly from the UK to Sydney, than from Sydney to the bottom tip of South America to be unquestionably damning to the FE cause. But at some deeper, pathetic level, attacking an argument with absolutely no rational merit manages to have some satisfaction.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EarthISroundISproven on April 09, 2010, 10:17:37 AM
Well just look at how Wilmore's behaving is other threads. He's completely spitting the dummy on the distances thing. They have some explanation for the 'illusion' that make pilots fly where they haven't, but there is no counter-argument to what shipping does on the ground. I personally don't care what shape the planet is, but I do want accurate maps that mariners can sail by. We have them, based on the mathematics of a global earth. Why doesn't FET measure the earth for itself? That's the real question.

I've not seen any serious geological discussion yet, but ice wall thread might be getting there. You mentioned eclogites. I would just love to smash apart any theory that there is a land mass (continental shelf) under the non existent ice wall. Eclogites will come into play then.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on April 09, 2010, 02:30:47 PM
Updated to include what exactly they need to explain.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Jyoti on April 13, 2010, 10:34:26 AM
As an Australian, I would like to say - The length of flights to get anywhere is rather sucky :P

Also - I will repeat a question another posted but did not get a response to. If the sun is moving farther away - why does it not get smaller ?

Heck, even the old Fundies were aware that the sun went 'around' - they didn't think it was a spotlight being turned off - or moving farther away into the distance until we can't see it. Come to think of it - I'm fairly sure it would have to move a SERIOUSLY large distance before we would have 'night'.... and if it just moves farther away from one spot on the flat space, to another spot on the same flat space, the planet would have to be alot bigger than we give it credit for.

And how big is the sun... and how bright ? Because obviously they do not believe it to be as big as current science states - nor as hot ( and obviously not fuelled by what we currently believe it is) .. ( this could EASILY be learnt - one need not to enter into NASA to use a local observatory)

I vote also - a Flat Earther should get a plane licence - and fly to the edge of the earth, take some pics of the Ice Wall, and come back - ( along with what I suggested in my own new post)

Problem solved !

* Edited for missing some words ><
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Ranger 3 on April 13, 2010, 11:10:20 AM
In FET, gravity does not exist. That being the case, explain Pluto. Gravitational forces led to it's discovery, what with the odd orbit of Uranus.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thermal Detonator on April 13, 2010, 11:16:16 AM
In FET, gravity does not exist. That being the case, explain Pluto. Gravitational forces led to it's discovery, what with the odd orbit of Uranus.


No, it's even sillier than that. Gravity does exist everywhere else, just not on Earth.  ::)
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Lorddave on April 13, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
In FET, gravity does not exist. That being the case, explain Pluto. Gravitational forces led to it's discovery, what with the odd orbit of Uranus.


No, it's even sillier than that. Gravity does exist everywhere else, just not on Earth.  ::)

Yeah.  They make the reference of "A cat or dog isn't a snake" as an analogy.  To which I question since a cat, dog, and snake are based on the same elements and the rest of the universe is based on the same elements as Earth.  Thus, if they have gravity, we should have gravity.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: 004forever on April 13, 2010, 12:21:02 PM
In FET, gravity does not exist. That being the case, explain Pluto. Gravitational forces led to it's discovery, what with the odd orbit of Uranus.


No, it's even sillier than that. Gravity does exist everywhere else, just not on Earth.  ::)

Yeah.  They make the reference of "A cat or dog isn't a snake" as an analogy.  To which I question since a cat, dog, and snake are based on the same elements and the rest of the universe is based on the same elements as Earth.  Thus, if they have gravity, we should have gravity.

We don't take kindly to rational arguments 'round these parts.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on April 15, 2010, 04:19:39 AM
How can we have meteors? Doesn't UA make that kinda impossible?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on April 18, 2010, 05:29:46 PM
Bumped for lack of disproving.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: General Disarray on April 29, 2010, 07:56:20 PM
You can probably add the Coriolis effect to the list. The best explanations offered are for things that have never been observed/have no basis in science/wouldn't work even if they were real.

And I just watched a couple satellites go over.

By the way, the earth and the rest of the solar system are estimated to be about 4 billion years old.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Ellipsis on April 29, 2010, 08:16:17 PM
And one can never forget compasses (linked to in sig).
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: dude55 on May 01, 2010, 06:41:10 AM
You should try to find each topic of the specific problem and add a link to each problem, sort of like what you did for the ISS. That way its eaiser for them to see what to explain, how to explain it. Or for them to realize they really are wrong.

GPS Link 1: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38638.0

GPS link 2 *I prefer this one*: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=36546.0
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Deceiver on May 03, 2010, 10:36:16 PM
how the flat earth could have possibly formed in the first place?!
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: dude55 on May 04, 2010, 08:07:19 AM
how the round earth could have possibly formed in the first place?!
This works both ways, all ideas of how a round earth was formed are theories, big bang, dust clouds, etc. This theory is just about a flat earth and that it exists, not how it was formed.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on May 29, 2010, 10:51:31 AM
I am bumping this thread because more evidence may have surfaced since it was last posted in.
Added Tropic Lines.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: jackofhearts on May 30, 2010, 07:02:50 PM
FE'ers have their work cut out for them here.  Yet it's chillingly unsurprising that not a single FE'er has tried to disprove, or even attempt to argue about any of the topics posted here.

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but UA...?  I'd like you FE'ers to at least rename it.  The term "Universal Acceleration" implies that it moves everything.  But apparently UA is fickle and selective and seems to favor an impossibly flat Earth. 

It's really a shame that the FE'ers have stayed clear of this post; I was looking forward to some of their responses to these points.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Pseudointellect on May 31, 2010, 06:36:46 PM
how the round earth could have possibly formed in the first place?!
This works both ways, all ideas of how a round earth was formed are theories, big bang, dust clouds, etc. This theory is just about a flat earth and that it exists, not how it was formed.

A plausible explanation exists as to how a round earth could form. See mainstream cosmology. But if there is no possible way we could imagine a flat earth forming, we must conclude that either a flat earth cannot exist or that if it does exist, it never formed. The earth definitely formed, and so we can eliminate the latter. So if we cannot give a plausible explanation for a how a flat earth formed, then the earth cannot possibly be flat.

Mankind in the last couple of thousand years has become the only animal in the history of the world to discover the shape of the world itself. It's great, isn't it? It's round, and anyone who doesn't think so must deny that any of the things mentioned in this thread are problematic.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: LBtheWise on June 02, 2010, 11:41:52 AM
after reading every post on this topic, I noticed that only 1 flat earth thoerist responded. I think finally they are awakening from their coma's that put them into a flat, parallel universe, and finally understanding that the world is actually round... LOL
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on June 02, 2010, 07:44:13 PM

It's really a shame that the FE'ers have stayed clear of this post; I was looking forward to some of their responses to these points.
Indeed,if you wanted to prove the hypothesis of FE correct this would be the best place to start.

EDIT:Added a new section for those things FE'ers say that have been disproved.Now just to get it out of the way,i am thinking of putting bendy light first.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: jackofhearts on June 03, 2010, 11:49:50 AM
The Compilation of Things Yet to be Explained Properly by FET
Please tell me if edits need to be made.

-Have fun, FE’ers!  Pick ‘n choose.-

Why Gnomonic projection works in map creation

Why FET can’t produce a working map

Seismic profiles

The shadow of the moon when it's not lit (ie. crater walls being lit but the surface around that crater isn't) and why it's very straight in how it looks during a half moon or during the day at certain positions.  Essentially how it looks like a shadow when, according to FE, it's really the "anti-moon".

Asteroids falling to Earth

Radioactive isotopes should not exist under the FE model

FET says gravity exists everywhere EXCEPET Earth

Consistent model for ‘Midnight Sun’ (no messed up time zones please)

Massive travel distances in Southern ‘hemiplane’

GPS (no alternate sources, only comes from satellites)

Horizon (no bendy light, please)

Why nobody can reach a latitude of 91 degrees South

Where is the ‘disc’ in the South polar base?

Why nobody flying in a plane over Antarctica can see the edge

Why RE maps work as flawlessly as they do

Why inertial navigation systems enable one to travel in a straight line on a round Earth but force you to curve on a flat Earth (only going East-West: N-S straight lines still allowed?)

Why the Sun appears to rise due east world wide at the Equinoxes

Why nobody has seen the ‘ice wall’

How the Conspiracy could be kept a secret

What is on the other ‘side’ of the flat Earth?

Thickness of the flat Earth

Why we are (cosmically) such an anomaly

Universal Acceleration

Why UA only affects the Earth (…?)

Why the International Space Station can be observed from the Earth

Why Jupiter can be seen to spin through a telescope (implying that it must be round)

Why the FAQ is so f@*ked up (namely sunsets/sunrises)

The frequent movements of the Sun

Why the Sun always appears round / why it doesn’t get significantly smaller as it sets

Why there are no sightings of the ‘ice wall’ be explorers in Antarctica

How the ‘Conspiracy’ could make a profit

Sun’s power source

Nuclear fusion/fission

Sunspots

Plate tectonics

The core of the Earth

Magnetism

Nautical mapping

Flight times

Pluto (how gravitational forces let to its discovery)

Orbit of Uranus

Coriolis Effect

Chronology of Earth/universe

How the Earth was created (or anything else for that matter)
Compasses

Tropic Lines
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: LBtheWise on June 03, 2010, 12:16:02 PM
lol jackofhearts i applaud you for spending the time to look for this many topics that yet need to be explained by FET. Well done. Let's see if they can scratch even one of them off this list.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: jackofhearts on June 04, 2010, 03:17:36 PM
Added:

Global Planar Temperatures  (see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39393.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: General Disarray on June 04, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
And what a shock, RET has viable and consistent explanations for all those things (or why some of those things do not need to exist).
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: jackofhearts on June 04, 2010, 03:25:02 PM
And what a shock, RET has viable and consistent explanations for all those things (or why some of those things do not need to exist).

 :o Imagine that!

And it's awfully quiet here.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Slemon on June 06, 2010, 07:13:58 AM
Also: why do stars look different from the USA and Australia?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: markjo on June 06, 2010, 07:48:16 AM
Also: why do stars look different from the USA and Australia?

Because they're looking at different parts of the sky.  ::)
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on June 23, 2010, 08:29:14 AM
Bumped because i think this topic is important.
Mainly to keep track of the disproofs that may get lost over time in the forum.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Ranger 3 on June 23, 2010, 11:17:31 AM
FET cannot adequately explain any of these topics without a creating a ridiculous theory that makes far too many assumptions or is based on never before observed phenomenon.                    
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thevoiceofreason on June 24, 2010, 02:10:20 PM
FET cannot adequately explain any of these topics without a creating a ridiculous theory that makes far too many assumptions or is based on never before observed phenomenon.                    
And then they claim them to be proven theories, which are better than the hypotheses of science. wow, are we being trolled. I'd like them to go to a college lecture and claim that astrophysics and cosmology are just hypotheses and that they have the real theories.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: zork on July 01, 2010, 02:16:18 AM
And what a shock, RET has viable and consistent explanations for all those things (or why some of those things do not need to exist).
You know what the FE answers for this is? Show me the proof for all of these and explain all these to me in that way that even the idiot can understand. And you must do it only by yourself and you must do it in this forum. If you can't then all this previously mentioned stuff doesn't count for anything.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on July 01, 2010, 08:03:52 AM
And what a shock, RET has viable and consistent explanations for all those things (or why some of those things do not need to exist).
You know what the FE answers for this is? Show me the proof for all of these and explain all these to me in that way that even the idiot can understand. And you must do it only by yourself and you must do it in this forum. If you can't then all this previously mentioned stuff doesn't count for anything.
That is actually fairly accurate. Go on.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Rational U.S. Viking on September 08, 2010, 03:05:45 AM
Obviously, FE'ers utterly fail to come even close to rationally and honestly explaining away the above listed objections to FET.  All they can possibly do by continuing to cling to FET is to make themselves look ever more ridiculous and foolish.  Most of the "FE'ers" on this forum are devil's advocates who know this full well and are carrying on the debate merely for the sake of debating.  That's why I don't waste nearly as much time here as I used to.  I visit now only when I feel the need to experience a good, mood enhancing belly laugh!
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: TheJackel on September 08, 2010, 12:25:31 PM
1) How circumnavigation is accurate with a spherical coordinate system either by GPS or by manual course plotting via use of the Sun, moon, and stars.

2) Optical Phenomenon such as a superior mirage, Green Flashes, After Glow, and various other optical phenomenon consistent with RET.

3) The ability to pass a time, speed, and distance calculation

4) How a spherical coordinate system is navigable on a FE model

6) Earthquakes thread showing P-waves and S-waves being consistent with RET

7) How to address anything without deflecting, ignoring, or invoking CT

8) How bending light can produce the curvature of the earth on both the X and Y axis at ground level over an uneven flat plane surface area.

9) How bending light that bends equally, and at the same velocity can be applicable to Snell's law.

10) Why I can send my own camera into the upper most atmosphere and get pictures of Earth consistent with everyone else's to which include NASA's and other students across the globe.

11) How stick shadows being measured across the world by students is showing Earth to be spherical

13) why I can track the orbits of the moon and sun to show that they are indeed orbiting a spherical Earth.

14) Why I can see the ISS from my own Telescope. Or that the moon is indeed as predicted.

15) Why the distance of the moon and sun are accurately measured using Radar, triangulation, and parallax.

16) How they ever got anything they claim to be true about FE.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on September 22, 2010, 06:26:37 AM
14) Why I can see the ISS from my own Telescope. Or that the moon is indeed as predicted.

Already suggested. I'll get Question to get back on and add these next time I 'see' him.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on September 23, 2010, 02:58:46 PM
Good,now if i can find threads to go with it,the thread will be stronger.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on October 03, 2010, 07:23:00 PM
Really? Not one 'flat earther' comes forward? Not one wishes to challenge this list with a valid reason? I admit, I'm a bit disappointed.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Mardybum on April 10, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
Absolutely had to bump this! Just discovered this site and I have to say I'm dumbfounded! Answers to some of the points raised in this thread from the RE heads would be great. Oh, please don't refer me to the wiki or to "lurk more".
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Tausami on April 10, 2011, 10:12:00 AM
Absolutely had to bump this! Just discovered this site and I have to say I'm dumbfounded! Answers to some of the points raised in this thread from the RE heads would be great. Oh, please don't refer me to the wiki or to "lurk more".

lurk moar
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Oracle on April 10, 2011, 11:11:15 AM
SOLD!  I'm am more convinced than ever before that the world is in fact globular/round, especially in light of this overwhelming evidence.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on April 10, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
It lives!I also think this thread needs more links.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 10, 2011, 09:28:19 PM
Actually most of these topics are discussed in Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

Not that I expect any RE'er to do the slightest bit of research.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: sillyrob on April 10, 2011, 10:26:44 PM
ENaG and it's amazing work like the Bedford Canal experiment?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Oracle on April 11, 2011, 11:21:39 AM
Actually most of these topics are discussed in Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

Not that I expect any RE'er to do the slightest bit of research.

Now that's just not fair... I've been doing research on this as I can... slow going as I have other priorities in my life other than the shape of the earth itself, but I'm still reading it.  Should I cop off with insults against FE'ers in general as a retaliation to your prejudiced opinions?  I think not.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on July 02, 2011, 12:42:33 PM
If UA is universal and universal means everything - does that not mean that Earth is also accelerating at the same rate as we are? Then why do I get forced downward after I jump? Am I not accelerating the same rate as the Earth upward?

(Sorry if this in opposition of some scientific theory taught to school children - I'm very poor at science.)
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Harutsedo on July 02, 2011, 12:59:18 PM
If UA is universal and universal means everything - does that not mean that Earth is also accelerating at the same rate as we are? Then why do I get forced downward after I jump? Am I not accelerating the same rate as the Earth upward?

(Sorry if this in opposition of some scientific theory taught to school children - I'm very poor at science.)

We are shielded from the dark enegry ny the Earth.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on July 02, 2011, 01:02:25 PM
We are shielded from the dark enegry ny the Earth.

You lost me. Dark energy is somehow connected to the function of UA? (I honestly don't know)
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on July 02, 2011, 01:26:48 PM
We are shielded from the dark enegry ny the Earth.

You lost me. Dark energy is somehow connected to the function of UA? (I honestly don't know)
I believe it is what powers UA,or the earth,or something like that.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Death-T on July 05, 2011, 08:49:54 PM
We are shielded from the dark enegry ny the Earth.

You lost me. Dark energy is somehow connected to the function of UA? (I honestly don't know)
I believe it is what powers UA,or the earth,or something like that.

Worthy of the list?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on July 08, 2011, 07:44:35 PM
We are shielded from the dark enegry ny the Earth.

You lost me. Dark energy is somehow connected to the function of UA? (I honestly don't know)
I believe it is what powers UA,or the earth,or something like that.

Worthy of the list?
I am going to search the forums before i add it.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 11, 2011, 12:26:39 PM
Actually most of these topics are discussed in Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

Not that I expect any RE'er to do the slightest bit of research.

Ive read it and its full of crazed nonsense, assumptions, untruth, cherry picking between contradictory "evidence" with no reason other than "Observation A supports my theory while Observation B does not, therefore A is correct and B is wrong/mistaken/lies". There is no science to it whatsoever. Come join us in the Hypocrisy of Rowboatham thread if you think I am inaccurate in what I say.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Bobbington on July 13, 2011, 11:00:18 AM
I like how this has turned into a "let's bitch about FET 'cause they're too scared to argue back" thread. I think this is the first FE defeat iv'e ever seen. Well done boys. Well done.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 13, 2011, 11:12:37 AM
FErs do not respond to threads this old because most of the people in the thread have left. Its like yelling to yourself.

Personally I never answer threads like this, even when they are new. I looked through and indeed I played no part in this one. But its not because it terrifies me.

These are list threads, with someone spouting off 15 different reasons. A one line answer isn't sufficient to answer any of the reasons satisfactorily.
I could spend hours constructing answers for all the objections in the thread, but it would most likely be met with tl;dr or people would take bits each and fragment the thread making it huge. In short, list threads take little time to put together, and massive amounts of time to answer. They are unrewarding, not worth the investment and hence ignored.
If someone wants a proper answer to something, they should make a thread about just that.



Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: ThreeBoysOnePriest on July 13, 2011, 12:16:43 PM
Things not explained on FE.

Firstly,a post that summarizes nicely why i believe in RE over FE.
http://theroundearthsociety.net/index.php?topic=9.msg107#msg107

-GPS
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=36546.0 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=36546.0)
-Equinox
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25336.0
-Midnight Sun
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25214.0
-Tropic Lines
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39167.0
-Moon Shadow
Instead,a theory about an anti-moon
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39227.0

-The fact that gravity varies on the planet(For those who believe in UA.)
-Falling Meteors.
if EVERYTHING is going up because of UA,why not Meteoroids?
-International Space Station(ISS)
I think ISS's exact speed and altitude is irrelevant. The fact that it can disappear behind clouds means that it is at least 5-10km high (the usual altitude of Cirrocumulus clouds). The only other object, other than an orbiting body, that could remain at that altitude is some type of high-altitude plane. No exhaust trail or rocket flare has been observed, so it couldn't be a rocket plane. Balloons are out, as no balloon or any similar structure has been observed on the ISS.

That leaves some sort of high-altitude jet. This is unreasonable for several reasons:
  • Aerodynamics-wise, the ISS's design is horrible.
    (http://images.spaceref.com/news/2006/143942main_ISS_config.jpg)
  • If it were a jet-powered aircraft, it would have to refuel at least once per day. Not only is this conspicous and difficult to keep quiet (even more people, an air force base's worth, have to brought into the "Conspiracy"), but it would likely be very expensive. A craft the size of the ISS would require a large amount of fuel to ascend back up to altitude and remain there, and even more people would have to be paid to keep quiet. The supposed motive of the Conspiracy is monetary gain, so why would they spend so much on a deception. Surely cheaper methods of trickery are available.

An orbiting body is really the only explanation for the ISS.
-Compass
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38554.0
-Sunrise/set
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39283.60
-Angular Diameter
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39735.40
Daylight hours.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39400.0
) Earthquakes thread showing P-waves and S-waves being consistent with RET
) Why the distance of the moon and sun are accurately measured using Radar, triangulation, and parallax.

Bedford canal: http://theroundearthsociety.net/index.php?topic=76.0

Disproved proofs: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25232.msg560231#msg560231 Note this one link contains other links.


Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

The world is round, get over it.

Gravity doesn't exist? What the hell holds us down then - our weight?

And I've seen you FE'rs map, dumbest thing I've ever seen. What's on the "dark" side of your map?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Harutsedo on July 13, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
The world is round, get over it.

Gravity doesn't exist? What the hell holds us down then - our weight?

And I've seen you FE'rs map, dumbest thing I've ever seen. What's on the "dark" side of your map?

Please substantiate your claims. Lurk more or get out.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 13, 2011, 02:10:11 PM

Gravity doesn't exist? What the hell holds us down then - our weight?

Thork has postulated the theory that it is either static or the strong and weak nuclear forces.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 13, 2011, 02:15:55 PM

Gravity doesn't exist? What the hell holds us down then - our weight?

Thork has postulated the theory that it is either static or the strong and weak nuclear forces.
^This is trolling. I hope John Davis gives you the little holiday you seem to be so desperately seeking.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 13, 2011, 02:26:00 PM

Gravity doesn't exist? What the hell holds us down then - our weight?

Thork has postulated the theory that it is either static or the strong and weak nuclear forces.
^This is trolling. I hope John Davis gives you the little holiday you seem to be so desperately seeking.

Not at all. You postulated that these forces might be responsible for the results of the Cavendish Experiment, therefore implying that these forces might also be what hold us to the ground. When asked to disprove that it might be static sticking us to the ground, you were unable to do so. I think this is an area which you should devote great energy to exploring, there would be a Nobel Prize in it if you were correct.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 13, 2011, 02:30:37 PM
No, I postulated that those or any other of a number of forces maybe responsible, for 2 metals balls to attract one another. I have always maintained our ground dwelling, to be the result of Universal Acceleration.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 13, 2011, 03:12:45 PM
No, I postulated that those or any other of a number of forces maybe responsible, for 2 metals balls to attract one another. I have always maintained our ground dwelling, to be the result of Universal Acceleration.

Why do you maintain its an unknown force when it is undeniably possible that it might be static? At the tie of posting there is no proof that it is not static holding us to the ground.

And as for your implication that I should get a ban - my last three day ban lasted for about four months, I eventually had to e-mail another forum member to ask for it to be lifted. So I think if any banning is to be done, I have already served more than my time.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: The Question1 on July 14, 2011, 01:22:17 PM

The world is round, get over it.

Gravity doesn't exist? What the hell holds us down then - our weight?

And I've seen you FE'rs map, dumbest thing I've ever seen. What's on the "dark" side of your map?
-___-
Please re-read the op.By that i mean read the second sentence.

FErs do not respond to threads this old because most of the people in the thread have left. Its like yelling to yourself.

Personally I never answer threads like this, even when they are new. I looked through and indeed I played no part in this one. But its not because it terrifies me.

These are list threads, with someone spouting off 15 different reasons. A one line answer isn't sufficient to answer any of the reasons satisfactorily.
I could spend hours constructing answers for all the objections in the thread, but it would most likely be met with tl;dr or people would take bits each and fragment the thread making it huge. In short, list threads take little time to put together, and massive amounts of time to answer. They are unrewarding, not worth the investment and hence ignored.
If someone wants a proper answer to something, they should make a thread about just that.
I understand,but i honestly tried to raise a discussion on the southern hemisphere in this thread
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=3b0f24647cc9d0f01df8d062b8bfa3ec&topic=39227.0

And nobody could give me a solid answer.Hell even Ski said:
Without a doubt the distances/geography of the southern hemi-plane are a serious cause of concern for FET.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 14, 2011, 02:52:08 PM
I understand,but i honestly tried to raise a discussion on the southern hemisphere in this thread
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=3b0f24647cc9d0f01df8d062b8bfa3ec&topic=39227.0

And nobody could give me a solid answer.Hell even Ski said:
Without a doubt the distances/geography of the southern hemi-plane are a serious cause of concern for FET.

This is gonna seem a bit selfish of me, but there are certain subjects I hate.

Specifically:
Coriolis
Conspiracy Theory
Ships on the horizon
Southern Hemisphere related hi-jinx.

If I see any of these do you know what I think to myself? This is going to to sound awful but I think "I'll leave that one for Tom Bishop."

Its not because I don't have an answer or I am scared of it, or its nonsense. Its just they take forever to explain and they come up all the time.
Coriolis (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43543.msg1079251#msg1079251)
Coriolis (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43672.msg1083978#msg1083978)
Coriolis (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=45288.msg1120562#msg1120562)
Coriolis (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=46296.msg1145478#msg1145478)
Coriolis (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43543.msg1079263#msg1079263)
Coriolis (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=46296.msg1145478#msg1145478)
Coriolis (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=45244.msg1117057#msg1117057)

^That's just a few I found that I answered.

Someone else asked me the same thing today about the SH and I referred him to a bunch of links.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49548.msg1216657#msg1216657

The answer is there if you want to have a look for it. If you want to discuss it you will have to wait for the next FEr to come along. I'm just not ready to discuss it all again so soon. I'd rather spend my time on other topics for now.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 14, 2011, 03:11:01 PM
Oh, look at This (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49558.msg1216816#msg1216816)

I <3 Tom Bishop. <---Not for signatures! >:(
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: sillyrob on July 14, 2011, 05:50:33 PM
Oh, look at This (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49558.msg1216816#msg1216816)

I <3 Tom Bishop. <---Not for signatures! >:(
I'll wait for something much sillier to come from you.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 15, 2011, 11:07:41 AM
Oh, look at This (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49558.msg1216816#msg1216816)

I <3 Tom Bishop. <---Not for signatures! >:(
I'll wait for something much sillier to come from you.
Selfish pr*ck! You could use that signature space to advertise TomartiniTM instead.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 15, 2011, 11:10:55 AM
Oh, look at This (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49558.msg1216816#msg1216816)

I <3 Tom Bishop. <---Not for signatures! >:(

This map has been kicking around on here for years being promoted by Lard Willmire. It was torn to shreds many times and has even more hideous problems than the normal FE map has, mostly to do with the areas of the surface that would be illuminated at any one time. There is an animation somewhere showing the illumination problem but I dont know where.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 15, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
There is an animation somewhere showing the illumination problem but I dont know where.
How convenient. ::)
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 15, 2011, 03:10:23 PM
There is an animation somewhere showing the illumination problem but I dont know where.
How convenient. ::)

Fine, plot the patches of light and dark yourself and see it zetetically :P
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Theodolite on July 15, 2011, 03:53:21 PM
There is an animation somewhere showing the illumination problem but I dont know where.
How convenient. ::)

Fine, plot the patches of light and dark yourself and see it zetetically :P

(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3735/trueearthpu3.png)

July 15, 2011    1545 PDT
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 15, 2011, 03:59:50 PM
^ Is that supposed to be evidence of something? ??? It gets more and more like a kindergarten in here each day.

Besides, just so you know, I don't subscribe to that model. You were given it by a different FEr. I think it unlikely the earth is in that form. For a start it would mean no ice-wall and secondly it would mean you could sail off the edge.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Theodolite on July 15, 2011, 04:03:11 PM
^ Is that supposed to be evidence of something? ??? It gets more and more like a kindergarten in here each day.

Besides, just so you know, I don't subscribe to that model. You were given it by a different FEr. I think it unlikely the earth is in that form. For a start it would mean no ice-wall and secondly it would mean you could sail off the edge.

Its a hand drawn overlay indicating which parts of the world are reporting being sunlit at the moment.



Link any map you want, and I will apply the same overlay.  And this is now published for peer review.  It contains the time and date that I am implying the conditions apply.
As we are all scientists here, and we know you can only disprove theories, find me any data that contradicts my information, and publish it here for review.  I guaranty that every city within those areas report the conditions I am implying.


BTW, this is how science is done.  Kind of the opposite of how you guys operate.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 15, 2011, 05:30:53 PM
quote author=EnigmaZV link=topic=30588.msg762220#msg762220 date=1249099444]
To be honest, I'm not a big supporter of that geographic model anyway, but I lack the time and computer skills to do an animation of my own.

If I recall, he likes the idea that Antarctica as a continent exists, which isn't such a bad idea.  Here are a few rough animations of the sun's orbit:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/enigmazv/summersolstice.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/enigmazv/equinox.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/enigmazv/wintersolstice.gif)

Note that this is simply an azimuthal projection and does not accurately represent the Flat Earth or the orbit of the sun.
[/quote]

There I found the diagram that shows the stupid light pattern.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 15, 2011, 05:32:26 PM
There is an animation somewhere showing the illumination problem but I dont know where.
How convenient. ::)

Fine, plot the patches of light and dark yourself and see it zetetically :P

(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3735/trueearthpu3.png)

July 15, 2011    1545 PDT

Quote
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/enigmazv/summersolstice.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/enigmazv/equinox.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/enigmazv/wintersolstice.gif)

Was these images made zetetically? Unless you traveled the world collecting the daylight times yourself, I don't think so.

You are relying on a round world model for your data. The round world model is false. I don't know why you guys think hypothetical predictions from a false model of the earth would port over to FET.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 15, 2011, 05:45:27 PM
You might claim the model is false but the data is accurate. You can look up sunrise/sunset times for anywhere in the world, and they are correct. Your model can go in the bin now.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 15, 2011, 05:49:48 PM
You might claim the model is false but the data is accurate. You can look up sunrise/sunset times for anywhere in the world, and they are correct. Your model can go in the bin now.

Where should I look up sunrise/sunset times, an internet calculator based on a round world model?

Find logs of sunset/sunrise times which were actually recorded by people and we'll talk. All anyone posts on this site are calculators which predict sunrise and sunset times on a false world model.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Theodolite on July 15, 2011, 05:51:13 PM
My model is published for review by you.


"false" is not data, or a review. 

so far my published information is unrefuted.

your map is also unzetetic
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Theodolite on July 15, 2011, 05:51:57 PM
You might claim the model is false but the data is accurate. You can look up sunrise/sunset times for anywhere in the world, and they are correct. Your model can go in the bin now.

Where should I look up sunrise/sunset times, an internet calculator based on a round world model?

Find logs of sunset/sunrise times which were actually recorded by people and we'll talk. All anyone posts on this site are calculators which predict sunrise and sunset times on a false world model.

i didnt use a calculator.  go ahead, look up some recorded times, prove me wrong
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 15, 2011, 05:54:59 PM
You might claim the model is false but the data is accurate. You can look up sunrise/sunset times for anywhere in the world, and they are correct. Your model can go in the bin now.

Where should I look up sunrise/sunset times, an internet calculator based on a round world model?

Find logs of sunset/sunrise times which were actually recorded by people and we'll talk. All anyone posts on this site are calculators which predict sunrise and sunset times on a false world model.

It doesnt matter how they are calculated if they work, dum dum. And they do.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 15, 2011, 06:10:58 PM
It doesnt matter how they are calculated if they work, dum dum. And they do.
Being as Tom is kindly giving up his time to answer your queries, you might want to address him in a manner in recognition of that fact. This is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Theodolite on July 15, 2011, 06:12:43 PM
It doesnt matter how they are calculated if they work, dum dum. And they do.
Being as Tom is kindly giving up his time to answer your queries, you might want to address him in a manner in recognition of that fact. This is unacceptable.

He isnt giving up his time, he is attempting feebly to defend his crackpot theories.

Make ridiculous claims, produce maps that are merely works of art.

Ask for sources, while having none of your own (that stand up to review)
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: berny_74 on July 15, 2011, 06:28:32 PM
It doesnt matter how they are calculated if they work, dum dum. And they do.
Being as Tom is kindly giving up his time to answer your queries, you might want to address him in a manner in recognition of that fact. This is unacceptable.

He isnt giving up his time, he is attempting feebly to defend his crackpot theories.

Make ridiculous claims, produce maps that are merely works of art.

Ask for sources, while having none of your own (that stand up to review)

Didn't I warn you?
Also anything requiring historical records is automatically suspect by TB unless it proves a point he likes.  And using any predicting almanac is useless to him no matter what effective results are used.

Berny
You should see his rant whenever someone brings out a sextant

Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 15, 2011, 06:30:31 PM
He isnt giving up his time, he is attempting feebly to defend his crackpot theories.

Make ridiculous claims, produce maps that are merely works of art.

Ask for sources, while having none of your own (that stand up to review)

He is giving up his time. You are not the first person ever to ask him about the sun's path or time zones or whatever pops into your head on the day.
He answers for 10,000th time for your benefit.

I do not think it is too much to ask, to show him a little respect. These are after all part of the forum rules.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Theodolite on July 15, 2011, 06:36:57 PM
He might have been asked for the 10,000th time, but he has yet to answer from what i can see.

he seems to merely cite theories without supporting evidence, and asks other people for unscientific levels of sources


Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 15, 2011, 06:38:19 PM
This is not up for debate.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Skeleton on July 15, 2011, 07:02:04 PM
It doesnt matter how they are calculated if they work, dum dum. And they do.
Being as Tom is kindly giving up his time to answer your queries, you might want to address him in a manner in recognition of that fact. This is unacceptable.

He has been told this before in the other thread dealing with this map. He refuses to take it on board or is unable to understand it. Either option represents stupidity in my view. And Tom isnt even answering any queries just dodging them.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Thork on July 15, 2011, 07:09:28 PM
It doesnt matter how they are calculated if they work, dum dum. And they do.
Being as Tom is kindly giving up his time to answer your queries, you might want to address him in a manner in recognition of that fact. This is unacceptable.

He has been told this before in the other thread dealing with this map. He refuses to take it on board or is unable to understand it. Either option represents stupidity in my view. And Tom isnt even answering any queries just dodging them.
I don't care. I am not making an unreasonable request of you. Respect is a two-way street.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: berny_74 on July 15, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
I don't care. I am not making an unreasonable request of you. Respect is a two-way street.

The people there are more concerned with spearing zebras for dinner, knitting loincloths, and coming to terms with a permanent body oder. They are not interested in studying alternative world models.

Berny
You really want to respect a person who says this?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Moon squirter on July 15, 2011, 10:41:16 PM
LOL As I've said before, Tom has got a future job as president Palin's foreign policy advisor, if he wants it. 
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 27, 2011, 01:19:32 AM
Could you, just for once, give us a map of FE which you think would be the reference one?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 27, 2011, 04:57:40 PM
The biggest flaw with the FE "idea" is atmospheric containment. If the Earth was a flat finite disc, then airplanes would not be able to fly above the lowest point of this ice barrier. Due to UA or gravity, the atmosphere would flow outward and around the edge of the Earth. The atmosphere would reach a point to where it was contained at the lowest point of the ice barrier. There is no detectable aether that would contain such atmosphere. The aether would not even be able to contain the denser material of the atmosphere and would have to be smaller and lighter than neutrinos to have avoided detection. There are no other explanations for an atmosphere existing at higher altitudes on a FE unless you consider Earth to be an infinite plane which is more absurd than a FE.

The problems associated with an infinite Earth are tremendous, such as the spotlight sun illuminating all of the infinite Earth, or how the governments involved in the conspiracy must continue to kill all of the explorers trying to reach us from the other side of the barrier. Mainly if Earth was infinite, then we should be contacted by civilizations on the other side. At least we would have proof of their radio and TV signals.

Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: John Davis on October 28, 2011, 09:38:41 AM

The problems associated with an infinite Earth are tremendous, such as the spotlight sun illuminating all of the infinite Earth,
This does not happen, nor is there a spotlight sun in all infinite earth models.
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or how the governments involved in the conspiracy must continue to kill all of the explorers trying to reach us from the other side of the barrier.
There is no conspiracy.
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Mainly if Earth was infinite, then we should be contacted by civilizations on the other side.
Sorry, there is such a thing as the speed of light.
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At least we would have proof of their radio and TV signals.
And how would we distinguish an alien's signals from static?  Assuming their civilization was close enough, alive during the same period, used radio waves, advanced to the point they could use radio waves, and that they existed in the first place.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 29, 2011, 04:16:19 AM
How an infinite plane would exist and have been created?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: John Davis on October 29, 2011, 09:30:42 AM
How an infinite plane would exist and have been created?
How would it exist?  Can you clarify what you mean by this?

There are two basic ideas concerning the creation of the infinite plane.  Evidence seems to point towards it having always existed.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EmperorZhark on October 29, 2011, 10:33:40 AM
What evidence? There's no evidence of that.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: John Davis on October 29, 2011, 12:38:47 PM
CBR, for one.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 29, 2011, 02:02:08 PM
CBR, for one.

CBR? Comic Book Resources? Oh... you mean the CMBR, the cosmic microwave background radiation. Can you explain how the CMBR is evidence that the Earth is an infinite plane. Please provide evidence that can be tested. A mathematical model would even suffice. I would be more than happy to pick apart any mathematics you may provide.

Quote from: John Davis
There is no conspiracy.

This is even better because we can now show you photos taken by NASA and Russian space agencies of the round finite Earth. Unless of course you believe any photos we provide have been altered or computer generated which would imply a conspiracy. But you say there isn't a conspiracy.... You have completely discredited yourself....
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 29, 2011, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: John Davis
There is no conspiracy.

This is even better because we can now show you photos taken by NASA and Russian space agencies of the round finite Earth.
How did you manage to reach this silly conclusion?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 29, 2011, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: John Davis
There is no conspiracy.

This is even better because we can now show you photos taken by NASA and Russian space agencies of the round finite Earth.
How did you manage to reach this silly conclusion?

Well PizzaPlanet, the only reason why FErs don't take photographic evidence of the Earth is due to a conspiracy which alters these photographs or produces them using computer graphic techniques. To say there is no conspiracy is to admit that the photographic evidence is real. Otherwise, to say they are faked is to imply there is a conspiracy. This is all very simply logic PizzaPlanet which, according to your statement, seems to be beyond your cognitive abilities.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: John Davis on October 29, 2011, 08:36:06 PM
CBR, for one.

CBR? Comic Book Resources? Oh... you mean the CMBR, the cosmic microwave background radiation. Can you explain how the CMBR is evidence that the Earth is an infinite plane. Please provide evidence that can be tested. A mathematical model would even suffice. I would be more than happy to pick apart any mathematics you may provide.

Quote from: John Davis
There is no conspiracy.

This is even better because we can now show you photos taken by NASA and Russian space agencies of the round finite Earth. Unless of course you believe any photos we provide have been altered or computer generated which would imply a conspiracy. But you say there isn't a conspiracy.... You have completely discredited yourself....
I am insulted by your insinuation based off of no evidence of my belief in some crazy conspiracy.  You are being a prejudiced bigot and you should be ashamed.  I will no longer entertain any notion of pleasant discourse with you in the future.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 29, 2011, 09:15:14 PM
CBR, for one.

CBR? Comic Book Resources? Oh... you mean the CMBR, the cosmic microwave background radiation. Can you explain how the CMBR is evidence that the Earth is an infinite plane. Please provide evidence that can be tested. A mathematical model would even suffice. I would be more than happy to pick apart any mathematics you may provide.

Quote from: John Davis
There is no conspiracy.

This is even better because we can now show you photos taken by NASA and Russian space agencies of the round finite Earth. Unless of course you believe any photos we provide have been altered or computer generated which would imply a conspiracy. But you say there isn't a conspiracy.... You have completely discredited yourself....
I am insulted by your insinuation based off of no evidence of my belief in some crazy conspiracy.  You are being a prejudiced bigot and you should be ashamed.  I will no longer entertain any notion of pleasant discourse with you in the future.

It was PizzaPlanet who insulted me by proposing that my statement was silly without thinking about the full consequence of my argument. I am insulted by your blatant denial of such photographic evidence while enforcing that your beliefs are true without providing evidence or a mathematical model from which I can analyze. You claim that this infinite Earth is shaped spherically due to the effect that space has on light while providing no evidence or proof. Post some physics that I can examine which will allow me to perform my own experiments to either validate or invalidate your claims, or admit that you do not have a valid scientific theory and that your argument is purely speculative.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: PizzaPlanet on October 29, 2011, 10:25:11 PM
It was PizzaPlanet who insulted me by proposing that my statement was silly
Your statement was silly, and trust me, I wasn't being insulting. You're just unfamiliar to my pretentious tone of a buffoon with an inflated ego.
If I was trying to insult you, I'd propose that your statement was moronic.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 29, 2011, 10:41:26 PM
It was PizzaPlanet who insulted me by proposing that my statement was silly
Your statement was silly, and trust me, I wasn't being insulting. You're just unfamiliar to my pretentious tone of a buffoon with an inflated ego.
If I was trying to insult you, I'd propose that your statement was moronic.

Really PizzaPlanet? The only thing you have added to this debate are insults. If you wish to show my statement as being moronic, then please use that vast intellect of yours and provide some scientific and mathematical evidence in support of the FE idea. However, I completely understand that is beyond your capability and only expect ramblings of speculation and non-sense from which you believe is a valid theory. This is the main problem that I have with FErs. They do not debate using logic, science, physics, mathematics, or anything as such. I will ignore your trolling efforts PizzaPlanet and will await an actual post that merits debate.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Particle Person on October 29, 2011, 11:17:31 PM
They do not debate using logic, science, physics, mathematics, or anything as such. I will ignore your trolling efforts PizzaPlanet and will await an actual post that merits debate.

Why bother waiting if flat-earthers "do not debate using logic, science, physics, mathematics, or anything as such [sic]"?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 29, 2011, 11:43:00 PM
They do not debate using logic, science, physics, mathematics, or anything as such. I will ignore your trolling efforts PizzaPlanet and will await an actual post that merits debate.

Why bother waiting if flat-earthers "do not debate using logic, science, physics, mathematics, or anything as such [sic]"?

Perhaps one of the FErs can actually provide substantial evidence to support their claims. After all, this is suppose to be science. Why should I refute accepted theories and accept the "truth" as many FErs suggest, when they cannot provide a level of debate or provide substantial theories which are better at predicting the nature of the universe than the accepted ones?
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Particle Person on October 29, 2011, 11:48:09 PM
They do not debate using logic, science, physics, mathematics, or anything as such. I will ignore your trolling efforts PizzaPlanet and will await an actual post that merits debate.

Why bother waiting if flat-earthers "do not debate using logic, science, physics, mathematics, or anything as such [sic]"?

Perhaps one of the FErs can actually provide substantial evidence to support their claims. After all, this is suppose to be science. Why should I refute accepted theories and accept the "truth" as many FErs suggest, when they cannot provide a level of debate or provide substantial theories which are better at predicting the nature of the universe than the accepted ones?

Meaningless generalisations. Doctor's orders: lurk moar.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: EllipsoidEarthSupporter on October 30, 2011, 12:03:50 AM
Meaningless generalisations. Doctor's orders: lurk moar.

Hmm... Just as expected. The typical FEr response. I have lurked through ton's of speculation from your Wiki and threads. Can you actually point me to a source of verifiable FE physics? The mathematics doesn't have to be perfect. The equations just have to predict nature better than accepted theories.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: pomtro on November 03, 2011, 02:28:54 AM
Hello,

I would add another thing which as far as I know is not explained (sorry if I am wrong, but I am new here, I have read the FAQ and I didn't find an answer):

if a plane flies starting from north pole in the south direction (in the Flat Earth map this means: following a ray of the disk), what happens when it reachs the boundary of the disk??
In the round earth it would eventually come back to the starting point...what in the flat earth?

thanks!!
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: jraffield1 on November 04, 2011, 12:34:39 AM
Add another item to the ever expanding list of things FET cannot explain. The precession of gyroscopes and pendulums that vary their behavior at different latitudes. 
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Son of Orospu on November 04, 2011, 05:08:44 AM
Hello,

I would add another thing which as far as I know is not explained (sorry if I am wrong, but I am new here, I have read the FAQ and I didn't find an answer):

if a plane flies starting from north pole in the south direction (in the Flat Earth map this means: following a ray of the disk), what happens when it reachs the boundary of the disk??
In the round earth it would eventually come back to the starting point...what in the flat earth?

thanks!!

I think the answer you will get will be something along the lines of, "It is impossible to fly across the 'southern pole'.  You can not provide proof that this is possible, so you are just going by what you were taught in school by the conspiracy employed teachers.  Please lurk moar and read ENaG."

Please correct me if I am wrong, FE'ers.
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Dr Matrix on November 04, 2011, 02:43:51 PM
Add another item to the ever expanding list of things FET cannot explain. The precession of gyroscopes and pendulums that vary their behavior at different latitudes.

This could be the result of the differential coupling of the angular momentum of the UA as a function of latitude, just as the FE disc does not shield out the UA evenly across the surface of the FE disc (hence the variation of local g with latitude).
Title: Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
Post by: Dr Matrix on November 04, 2011, 02:46:44 PM
Hello,

I would add another thing which as far as I know is not explained (sorry if I am wrong, but I am new here, I have read the FAQ and I didn't find an answer):

if a plane flies starting from north pole in the south direction (in the Flat Earth map this means: following a ray of the disk), what happens when it reachs the boundary of the disk??
In the round earth it would eventually come back to the starting point...what in the flat earth?

thanks!!

A perfectly reasonable question - the problems begin when you try to determine that you are flying radially outwards across the disc, and are not being subtly deflected off-course as you go.  The magnetic field of the FE, the positions of stars, the Sun and the Moon, inertial guidance systems and dead reckoning all have potential weaknesses which could lead the pilot and/or instrumentation astray.