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The Flat Earth Society => Announcements => Topic started by: Daniel on March 19, 2010, 03:45:49 PM

Title: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Daniel on March 19, 2010, 03:45:49 PM
A journalist from El Pais, Spain's largest newspaper, interviewed me by email last week and the resulting article was published today!  Here's a link:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/portada/Miedo/planeta/esferico/elppor/20100319elptenpor_8/Tes

I speak very little Spanish but I was able to run it through Google's translator:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elpais.com%2Farticulo%2Fportada%2FMiedo%2Fplaneta%2Fesferico%2Felppor%2F20100319elptenpor_8%2FTes&sl=es&tl=en

The translated text was a bit awkward but, from what I can gather, the article was reasonably accurate.  I was very amused by Google translating Samuel Rowbotham's seminal work as, "The Earth Is A Globe".  Perhaps the conspiracy has reached Google itself! :)  The article also included a piece of artwork commissioned specifically for it:
(http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20100319elptenpor_10/XXLCO/Ies/20100319elptenpor_10.jpg)

And if there are any Spanish people visiting as a result of the article: hola!
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Jack on March 19, 2010, 03:53:50 PM
I was very amused by Google translating Samuel Rowbotham's seminal work as, "The Earth Is A Globe".  Perhaps the conspiracy has reached Google itself! :)
I had a good laugh after reading that part. The Conspiracy is very sneaky indeed.

In any case, it's nice to see that more and more people in the world begin to recognize our movement and take it seriously.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 19, 2010, 03:56:09 PM
Pretty good for Spanish for the most part jajaja. Nicely done. This is neat because I have to read this newspaper almost every week. I'll see what my professor says!
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 19, 2010, 04:05:20 PM
Hah excellent!
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: markjo on March 19, 2010, 04:07:41 PM
I was very amused by Google translating Samuel Rowbotham's seminal work as, "The Earth Is A Globe".  Perhaps the conspiracy has reached Google itself! :)
I had a good laugh after reading that part. The Conspiracy is very sneaky indeed.

In any case, it's nice to see that more and more people in the world begin to recognize our movement and take it seriously.

What makes you think that your movement is being taken seriously?
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Jack on March 19, 2010, 04:22:40 PM
What makes you think that your movement is being taken seriously?
The fact that there are people from various news companies willing to take the time to interview our president, as well as other prominent members of the FES, and publish articles about us.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: 2fst4u on March 20, 2010, 01:50:53 AM
What makes you think that your movement is being taken seriously?
The fact that there are people from various news companies willing to take the time to interview our president, as well as other prominent members of the FES, and publish articles about us.
The fact that you think that entails 'being taken seriously' is laughable.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Jack on March 20, 2010, 02:13:52 AM
Laugh all you want. The interviews and articles from BBC, The Guardian, and El Pais seem legit to me. Maybe I am missing something, but the journalists from these well-known news companies don't seem to treat the resurrected Flat Earth Society as a parody or joke; they do put in time and effort to get to know us. That is why I think we are being taken seriously.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lorddave on March 20, 2010, 12:06:18 PM
Oh I'm sure you'll find online articles in major news papers on more or less any subject.
I know a guy who works for "Ripley's  Believe It or Not!" and he finds some really crazy stuff in legitimate news.  My question is...
Was it published in hard copy?
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on March 20, 2010, 01:32:50 PM
The fact that there are people from various news companies willing to take the time to interview our president, as well as other prominent members of the FES, and publish articles about us.

I take it you're unfamiliar with the term "slow news day".

The magazine section (where TFES was mentioned) of the BBC is basically the BBC's emergency silo of whimsy. Today they're asking if it's wrong to swim with dolphins, or if it's lazy to buy pre-sliced veg.

You're not being taken seriously.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on March 20, 2010, 03:50:01 PM
This is great news, and yet another media coup for the society. The churlish behaviour of a few RET fanatics shouldn't bother anyone.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Saddam Hussein on March 20, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
Crusty is being a bad troll again.  Also, Daniel isn't related to Samuel Shenton?  Wow, that's a pretty big coincidence.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Jack on March 20, 2010, 05:02:51 PM
I take it you're unfamiliar with the term "slow news day".

The magazine section (where TFES was mentioned) of the BBC is basically the BBC's emergency silo of whimsy. Today they're asking if it's wrong to swim with dolphins, or if it's lazy to buy pre-sliced veg.

You're not being taken seriously.
My point is, if the journalists don't bother to take us seriously, they will most likely discard the Society as merely a joke by belittling us and throwing a few insults here and there. They wouldn't bother to interview us, online and in person, in the first place. However, unlike the article from Something Awful, it seems these journalists are neutral about the Society and are willing to go deeper in detail. Thus, I don't think it is a matter of where the articles fall under in the news.

To clarify, I'm talking about the Flat Earth Society as a whole. I'm not talking about Flat Earth Theory and whether or not the theory is currently being taken seriously by the scientific community. The theory is just a portion of the entire organization; our thesis is more or less "be skeptical and don't blindly accept everything you're told".
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on March 21, 2010, 04:47:13 PM
My point is, if the journalists don't bother to take us seriously, they will most likely discard the Society as merely a joke by belittling us and throwing a few insults here and there. They wouldn't bother to interview us, online and in person, in the first place.

Few journalistic outlets would throw insults or belittle you. They want to keep the reader on their side and the smart reader doesn't appreciate ad hominem. So you get a straight interview, interspersed with simple explanations about why the flat earth idea is so insane.

...our thesis is more or less "be skeptical and don't blindly accept everything you're told".

Which is what most articles resolve to. Most people know this already. Hence categorisation as whimsy. See Aesop for further details.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Parsifal on May 16, 2010, 04:44:50 AM
It mistranslated "33-year-old virgin" as "33-year-old Virginian" in Daniel's introduction.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Thermal Detonator on May 16, 2010, 06:44:12 AM
Why does the picture have Lady Gaga as a sea serpent?
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 16, 2010, 06:51:03 AM
It mistranslated "33-year-old virgin" as "33-year-old Virginian" in Daniel's introduction.

That was uncalled for! >:(
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: giddsey on May 16, 2010, 11:48:24 AM
good work FES
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: sillyrob on May 17, 2010, 01:09:23 AM
I read an article you guys bragged about, and they made fun of you the entire time. Maybe the National Enquirer might take you seriously (lol), but nothing legit is gonna give you seriously article space.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 05:49:40 AM
I read an article you guys bragged about, and they made fun of you the entire time. Maybe the National Enquirer might take you seriously (lol), but nothing legit is gonna give you seriously article space.


You mean like the BBC, Fox, or the Guardian newspaper?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7540427.stm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403802,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2010/feb/23/flat-earth-society


I think we're doing pretty well.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Catchpa on May 17, 2010, 07:36:14 AM
I read an article you guys bragged about, and they made fun of you the entire time. Maybe the National Enquirer might take you seriously (lol), but nothing legit is gonna give you seriously article space.


You mean like the BBC, Fox, or the Guardian newspaper?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7540427.stm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403802,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2010/feb/23/flat-earth-society

I think we're doing pretty well.

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In today's Magazine..
Chat show gold
What makes a really good talk-show host?

Honeymoons
When does that warm, fuzzy feeling start to wear off?

Really, the BBC Magazine consists of stories like this. I don't think you'd make the front page on BBC, but I'd be happy to be shown wrong.

The FOX one was really short. I'm not too familiar with FOX(Being there whole biased nature), but it doesn't seem to be placed in any of the major news subjects on the top, but something caled FOX Fan Central. The article seemed to be ridiculing you anyway.

I know nothing of the Guardian really.


Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on May 17, 2010, 03:34:03 PM
I know nothing of the Guardian really.
If I'm not mistaken, it's big shit in Europe. Comparable to the New York Times.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on May 17, 2010, 04:50:45 PM
I read an article you guys bragged about, and they made fun of you the entire time.

I think we're doing pretty well.

No. You're confusing a slow news day with good press coverage. Oh and probably a reporter that doesn't "get" the internet combined with an editor who said "go and find me something kooky!"

Seriously. No one cares. At all.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Catchpa on May 17, 2010, 05:02:00 PM
I know nothing of the Guardian really.
If I'm not mistaken, it's big shit in Europe. Comparable to the New York Times.

Big shit in England maybe. Europe is not a single country, if I may remind you.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on May 17, 2010, 05:25:44 PM
Big shit in England maybe. Europe is not a single continent, if I may remind you.
I disagree.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Catchpa on May 17, 2010, 06:13:09 PM
I, however, agree.

I'm mentally retarded.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 07:04:44 PM
Really, the BBC Magazine consists of stories like this. I don't think you'd make the front page on BBC, but I'd be happy to be shown wrong.

The FOX one was really short. I'm not too familiar with FOX(Being there whole biased nature), but it doesn't seem to be placed in any of the major news subjects on the top, but something caled FOX Fan Central. The article seemed to be ridiculing you anyway.

I know nothing of the Guardian really.


How many other forums or 'alternative theory' organisations get this kind of coverage? No, as a relatively small organisation we're not going to get the same kind of coverage as an oil spill, major bombing or presidential election, but that's hardly a fair comparison, is it?


Big shit in England maybe. Europe is not a single country, if I may remind you.


I know nothing of the Guardian Europe really.


The Guardian is the kind of paper that is sold across Europe, as do the other major British tabloids. The same thing happens the other way to some degree (Le Monde, Die Welt etc.), but you can usually get the Times, Financial Times and the Guardian in any major newsagents in Europe. Incidentally, they also sell well in much of the English speaking world outside North America, though sometimes just in weekly editions.


No. You're confusing a slow news day with good press coverage. Oh and probably a reporter that doesn't "get" the internet combined with an editor who said "go and find me something kooky!"

Seriously. No one cares. At all.


Again, this is a lot better than most comparable organisations do. Besides, if so few people care, why did the number of people coming here jump massively after the BBC/Fox articles? There was a verifiable spike in activity and sign-up rates during that period.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on May 17, 2010, 07:08:02 PM
Again, this is a lot better than most comparable organisations do. Besides, if so few people care, why did the number of people coming here jump massively after the BBC/Fox articles? There was a verifiable spike in activity and sign-up rates during that period.

The same reason the BBC ran the article. The same reason you come to this site. The same reason anyone comes here. Boredom + time to fill.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 07:09:26 PM
Again, this is a lot better than most comparable organisations do. Besides, if so few people care, why did the number of people coming here jump massively after the BBC/Fox articles? There was a verifiable spike in activity and sign-up rates during that period.

The same reason the BBC ran the article. The same reason you come to this site. The same reason anyone comes here. Boredom + time to fill.


So the BBC ran our story, which resulted in thousands more people coming to this site and learning about our society. And this isn't a success because...?
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: markjo on May 17, 2010, 07:15:37 PM
Because most of those thousands of people were angry noobs that were banned almost immediately.  You know, sort of like the angry noobs invading right now.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on May 17, 2010, 07:16:28 PM
And this isn't a success because...?

You're not being taken seriously. It's just thousands of bored people. Serzly dude hubris less.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 07:20:27 PM
Because most of those thousands of people were angry noobs that were banned almost immediately.  You know, sort of like the angry noobs invading right now.


Nah, loads came here without even posting. And these aren't noobs, it's just one of the periodic invasions.


You're not being taken seriously. It's just thousands of bored people. Serzly dude hubris less.


It's not hubris to suggest that getting people to come here via the media is good. Stop being so dumb and obviously contrary for the sake of it.


It's not like these were grand, costly media campaigns. We put a little in, and got a lot out of it. I consider that a success.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on May 17, 2010, 07:26:54 PM
It's not hubris to suggest that getting people to come here via the media is good.

It is if you're the type who would confuse lolcats for a militant animal rights movement.

People come here. Look around. Laff. Ban hammer. Wash. Repeat.

They get the good feeling that comes from laffing at dumb people. You get the good feeling of the ban hammer. Everyone goes home happy. Blow jobs all round.

You're not being taken seriosuly. Stop thinking you are. I'm really saying this for your benefit not mine. I don't want a brother from another mother to get hurt.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 07:32:38 PM
If what you're questioning is whether they took us 'seriously', then it seems to me that all these articles represent us as seriously believing that the Earth is flat. We're not expecting them to agree with us, just to represent our society in a fair way. I think the BBC and Guardian articles do that, and hence it's perfectly reasonable to say we were taken seriously.


However, I was originally replying to sillyrob, who claimed no 'legit' newspaper or news organisation would give us article space. I think the BBC, Guardian etc. are pretty much the definition of 'serious' news organisations. Basically, you're on to a loser, so quit now. Nobody can seriously suggest that these articles weren't a good thing for the society, and the fact is if they didn't exist, you'd be in a similar topic laughing at us for precisely that reason.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on May 17, 2010, 07:36:30 PM
Nope they just make sure they don't feed the troll.

The guardian cuts FET down early on in a couple of sentences. Guardian readers, being smart bunnies that they are, don't need to read details of proofs. After that its plain sailing to a few hundred words of whimsy.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 07:41:40 PM
Nope they just make sure they don't feed the troll.

The guardian cuts FET down early on in a couple of sentences. Guardian readers, being smart bunnies that they are, don't need to read details of proofs. After that its plain sailing to a few hundred words of whimsy.


To be fair to the Guardian, they weren't cutting FET down, just stating a fact. People regularly use terms like 'Flat Earther' to mock people, or refer to organisations or groupings they are opposed to as 'the Flat Earth Society'. The whole global warming debate is a prime example; we even saw Gordon Brown doing it.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on May 17, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
To be fair to the Guardian, they weren't cutting FET down, just stating a fact.

Correct.

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... a group that has become a living metaphor for backward thinking and a refusal to face scientific facts.

The scientific evidence is stacked against Shenton, ?obviously, just as it is against those who think global warming is a hoax and that the dead stalk the Earth as ghosts

Inevitably, Shenton's ?argument forces him down all kinds of logical blind alleys ? the non-existence of gravity, and his argument that most space exploration, and so the moon landings, are faked.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
To be fair to the Guardian, they weren't cutting FET down, just stating a fact.

Correct.

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... a group that has become a living metaphor for backward thinking and a refusal to face scientific facts.

The scientific evidence is stacked against Shenton, ?obviously, just as it is against those who think global warming is a hoax and that the dead stalk the Earth as ghosts

Inevitably, Shenton's ?argument forces him down all kinds of logical blind alleys ? the non-existence of gravity, and his argument that most space exploration, and so the moon landings, are faked.


That bit's half-way through the article. By "early on" I thought you meant the intro at the beginning.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on May 17, 2010, 07:54:55 PM
That bit's half-way through the article. By "early on" I thought you meant the intro at the beginning.

Grief. Are you really this desperate for a win?
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 07:57:17 PM
That bit's half-way through the article. By "early on" I thought you meant the intro at the beginning.

Grief. Are you really this desperate for a win?


No, it'd just be nice if you'd troll with greater clarity. I consider the Guardian article to be the only 'win' that matters.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Crustinator on May 17, 2010, 08:01:03 PM
No, it'd just be nice if you'd troll with greater clarity.

I was pretty clear. It's all getting horribly sad now brother Wilmore.
Title: Re: And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
Post by: Lord Wilmore on May 17, 2010, 08:02:31 PM
No, it'd just be nice if you'd troll with greater clarity.

I was pretty clear. It's all getting horribly sad now brother Wilmore.


Yeah, it is, which is why I'm locking this thread.