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Title: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Friend 001 on October 07, 2009, 06:59:16 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_on_sc/us_sci_shoot_the_moon;_ylt=At8HvRnsHoz1wiPuV_NYcQAPLBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTJtOWxhN3FqBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMDA3L3VzX3NjaV9zaG9vdF90aGVfbW9vbgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzMEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZnVsbG5ic3BzdG9y

(sorry for the long URL)

NASA is going to run an old spaceship into the moon to see if water is underneath it's interior sending a cloud of dust everywhere that can be seen all around the world.

How could they do this with out sending something into space?
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: sphaira on October 07, 2009, 07:03:11 PM
thats wicked, now i gotta wake up at 5:30, thanks for the find
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: bl4ke360 on October 07, 2009, 10:25:58 PM
bump
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 08, 2009, 07:38:54 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_on_sc/us_sci_shoot_the_moon;_ylt=At8HvRnsHoz1wiPuV_NYcQAPLBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTJtOWxhN3FqBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMDA3L3VzX3NjaV9zaG9vdF90aGVfbW9vbgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzMEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZnVsbG5ic3BzdG9y

(sorry for the long URL)

NASA is going to run an old spaceship into the moon to see if water is underneath it's interior sending a cloud of dust everywhere that can be seen all around the world.

How could they do this with out sending something into space?
They are crashing into a crater that is always in shadow...how conveinent
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Wings_RE on October 08, 2009, 10:30:19 AM
They are crashing into a crater that is always in shadow...how conveinent

Well, I guess they said a "darkened crater", and that's a whole different ballgame. (pun intended)
But anyhow, it will not be visible from my neck'o'the woods...here's heavy overcast and has been for close to a month now.  :(
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: markjo on October 08, 2009, 11:06:39 AM
They are crashing into a crater that is always in shadow...how conveinent
It's what NASA considers to be the most likely area to find water.  Where else would you suggest that they crash the probe?  ???
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Pseudointellect on October 08, 2009, 12:36:18 PM
Simply put, whoever observes the tiny cloud on the moon will be deemed part of the conspiracy...am I right? If, at the exact specified moment, the impact crater appears and a dust cloud appears on the moon, then that would demonstrate that sustained spaceflight is possible.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Rapier09 on October 08, 2009, 01:08:05 PM
We'll see if that plume occurs.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 08, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
They are crashing into a crater that is always in shadow...how conveinent
It's what NASA considers to be the most likely area to find water.  Where else would you suggest that they crash the probe?  ???
It sure is handy that they crash into a location that would make observation troublesome
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: markjo on October 08, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
They are crashing into a crater that is always in shadow...how conveinent
It's what NASA considers to be the most likely area to find water.  Where else would you suggest that they crash the probe?  ???
It sure is handy that they crash into a location that would make observation troublesome
???  WTF are you going on about?  A good chunk of the western hemisphere will be able to observe the crash (weather permitting).
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 08, 2009, 01:56:42 PM
Perhaps this will be the first genuine Moon landing?  Maybe NASA have found a way to exploit the DE field and so they know the craft will be unable to slow down before impact?
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 08, 2009, 01:58:27 PM
They are crashing into a crater that is always in shadow...how conveinent
It's what NASA considers to be the most likely area to find water.  Where else would you suggest that they crash the probe?  ???
It sure is handy that they crash into a location that would make observation troublesome
???  WTF are you going on about?  A good chunk of the western hemisphere will be able to observe the crash (weather permitting).
Actually the crater is on the south pole of the moon according to NASA and it is in perpetual darkness.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: markjo on October 08, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
They are crashing into a crater that is always in shadow...how conveinent
It's what NASA considers to be the most likely area to find water.  Where else would you suggest that they crash the probe?  ???
It sure is handy that they crash into a location that would make observation troublesome
???  WTF are you going on about?  A good chunk of the western hemisphere will be able to observe the crash (weather permitting).
Actually the crater is on the south pole of the moon according to NASA and it is in perpetual darkness.
*sigh*
Quote from: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/main/LCROSS_crater.html
LCROSS will search for water ice by sending its spent upper-stage Centaur rocket to impact the permanently shadowed polar crater. The satellite will fly into the plume of dust left by the impact and measure the properties before also colliding with the lunar surface. The LCROSS team selected Cabeus A based on a set of conditions that include proper debris plume illumination for visibility from Earth, a high concentration of hydrogen, and mature crater features such as a flat floor, gentle slopes and the absence of large boulders.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 08, 2009, 02:07:23 PM
Maybe they're actually going to fire an enormous laser at the Moon to blast off a section of the edge of the disc corresponding to the RET lunar south pole?
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Thermal Detonator on October 08, 2009, 02:13:58 PM
Maybe they're actually going to fire an enormous laser at the Moon to blast off a section of the edge of the disc corresponding to the RET lunar south pole?

Yes, maybe, because these things exist and have been tested, haven't they?  :P
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 08, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
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A cadre of professional astronomers using many of the Earth?s most capable observatories is helping maximize the scientific return from the LCROSS impacts. These observatories include the Infrared Telescope Facility and Keck telescope in Hawaii; the Magdalena Ridge and Apache Ridge Observatories in New Mexico and the MMT Observatory in Arizona; the newly refurbished Hubble Space Telescope; and the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, among others.
*sigh* If it was truly chosen for visibility from Earth, telescopes other than NASA created or government aided observatories would be able to see them. The fact that they chose the darkest area on the moon is just a shield-People such as Tom and I won't be able to observe the events because we don't have access to telescopes with ridiculous sized aperatures to argue against NASA's claims. Honestly, they can make video and pictures of whatever they want. Kinda of hard to believe that my celestron won't be able to see the effects of an explosion that size.
 Oh wait it's too dark and only huge regulated telescopes can view it -_-.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 08, 2009, 02:21:02 PM
Yes, maybe, because these things exist and have been tested, haven't they?  :P

There was a chemical laser fuelled by HF (hydrogen fluoride) in the US that caused structural damage to a mountain when they used it as a beam dump - there's no reason you couldn't scale that up if you had a big enough power source...
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Thermal Detonator on October 08, 2009, 02:23:26 PM
Yes, maybe, because these things exist and have been tested, haven't they?  :P

There was a chemical laser fuelled by HF (hydrogen fluoride) in the US that caused structural damage to a mountain when they used it as a beam dump - there's no reason you couldn't scale that up if you had a big enough power source...

There's probably quite a few reasons why you couldn't scale that up. Don't you think somebody would notice a massive laser beam zooming out towards the Moon anyway?
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: markjo on October 08, 2009, 02:25:41 PM
Maybe they're actually going to fire an enormous laser at the Moon to blast off a section of the edge of the disc corresponding to the RET lunar south pole?
Laser beams don't create impact plumes.

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A cadre of professional astronomers using many of the Earth?s most capable observatories is helping maximize the scientific return from the LCROSS impacts. These observatories include the Infrared Telescope Facility and Keck telescope in Hawaii; the Magdalena Ridge and Apache Ridge Observatories in New Mexico and the MMT Observatory in Arizona; the newly refurbished Hubble Space Telescope; and the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, among others.
*sigh* If it was truly chosen for visibility from Earth, telescopes other than NASA created or government aided observatories would be able to see them. The fact that they chose the darkest area on the moon is just a shield-People such as Tom and I won't be able to observe the events because we don't have access to telescopes with ridiculous sized aperatures to argue against NASA's claims. Honestly, they can make video and pictures of whatever they want. Kinda of hard to believe that my celestron won't be able to see the effects of an explosion that size.
 Oh wait it's too dark and only huge regulated telescopes can view it -_-.

*heavy sigh*
Quote from: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/10/moon-shot-part-deux-even-more-ways-of-observing-the-lcross-impact/
Another way to watch the impact is with your own telescope.  NASA Ames has a website set up that provides a great deal of information on how to locate the impact crater on the Moon?s surface, expectations of what the plume will look like, and lots of other great information.  You will need a telescope that has at least a 10? to 12? aperture (for a reflecting telescope) and being further west in North America will definitely provide better viewing due to the sunrise on the east coast.

A decent sized telescope, but hardly a "huge regulated" one.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 08, 2009, 02:32:05 PM
Well I guess we shall see when I take my 10' out to watch. I'm saying that if (and very likely when) normal obsevers cannot view any effects NASA will have their choice of excuses from which I have mentioned.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 08, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
There's probably quite a few reasons why you couldn't scale that up. Don't you think somebody would notice a massive laser beam zooming out towards the Moon anyway?

Yes, unless it's pulsed I suppose.  I didn't mean scale up the individual system, I meant scale it up overall, possibly by building multiple pulsed laser systems.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Thermal Detonator on October 08, 2009, 02:34:29 PM
Well I guess we shall see when I take my 10' out to watch. I'm saying that if (and very likely when) normal obsevers cannot view any effects NASA will have their choice of excuses from which I have mentioned.

Even if you did see an effect you would not admit it here, because you'd look like a chump if you had to change your mind about the possibilities and you're too proud to do that.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Dr Matrix on October 08, 2009, 02:35:14 PM
Laser beams don't create impact plumes.

They create plumes if you use them to dump enough energy into one place at one time, especially if they've found a pocket of compressed gas or water just below the surface.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 08, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
Well I guess we shall see when I take my 10' out to watch. I'm saying that if (and very likely when) normal obsevers cannot view any effects NASA will have their choice of excuses from which I have mentioned.

Even if you did see an effect you would not admit it here, because you'd look like a chump if you had to change your mind about the possibilities and you're too proud to do that.
If I observe any effect, I would post it. It would be unwise for me not to post the correct findings here because then I'd be against the observations of even the average Joe
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Thermal Detonator on October 08, 2009, 02:38:45 PM
Well I guess we shall see when I take my 10' out to watch. I'm saying that if (and very likely when) normal obsevers cannot view any effects NASA will have their choice of excuses from which I have mentioned.

Even if you did see an effect you would not admit it here, because you'd look like a chump if you had to change your mind about the possibilities and you're too proud to do that.
If I observe any effect, I would post it. It would be unwise for me not to post the correct findings here because then I'd be against the observations of even the average Joe

That's untrue. You are the most average of all the flat earth posters - your responses are almost algorithmically predictable.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 08, 2009, 02:39:58 PM
Well I guess we shall see when I take my 10' out to watch. I'm saying that if (and very likely when) normal obsevers cannot view any effects NASA will have their choice of excuses from which I have mentioned.

Even if you did see an effect you would not admit it here, because you'd look like a chump if you had to change your mind about the possibilities and you're too proud to do that.
If I observe any effect, I would post it. It would be unwise for me not to post the correct findings here because then I'd be against the observations of even the average Joe

That's untrue. You are the most average of all the flat earth posters - your responses are almost algorithmically predictable.
Which is why reporting an observation that goes against the regular Joe would not make sense
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: markjo on October 08, 2009, 02:45:56 PM
Well I guess we shall see when I take my 10' out to watch. I'm saying that if (and very likely when) normal obsevers cannot view any effects NASA will have their choice of excuses from which I have mentioned.

Just make sure that you know where to look.  This should help.
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/observation/amateur.htm
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 08, 2009, 02:46:56 PM
Well I guess we shall see when I take my 10' out to watch. I'm saying that if (and very likely when) normal obsevers cannot view any effects NASA will have their choice of excuses from which I have mentioned.

Just make sure that you know where to look.  This should help.
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/observation/amateur.htm
Thank you
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: spanner34.5 on October 09, 2009, 03:17:01 AM
There are all sorts of pieces of rock/ice travelling about the universe. N.A.S.A. have observed one, they know where and when it will hit the moon.

Hey Presto, someone thinks this is proof of spaceflight.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: d00gz on October 09, 2009, 03:22:34 AM
There are all sorts of pieces of rock/ice travelling about the universe. N.A.S.A. have observed one, they know where and when it will hit the moon.

Hey Presto, someone thinks this is proof of spaceflight.

Sigh...

Prove it?
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: spanner34.5 on October 09, 2009, 03:32:38 AM
There are all sorts of pieces of rock/ice travelling about the universe. N.A.S.A. have observed one, they know where and when it will hit the moon.

Hey Presto, someone thinks this is proof of spaceflight.

Sigh...

Prove it?
However cloudy it is, I am sure N.A.S.A. will provide us all with lots of proof.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: d00gz on October 09, 2009, 04:27:28 AM
And you're claiming they're talking bull. So can you provide anything to back this up, other than you guessing?
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: spanner34.5 on October 09, 2009, 04:49:04 AM
And you're claiming they're talking bull. So can you provide anything to back this up, other than you guessing?

Purely a prediction.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Ichimaru Gin :] on October 09, 2009, 06:04:32 AM
The Chicago area has been raining and storming all morning. I wasn't able to view anything because of the weather and needless to say, I am more than irritated
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Wings_RE on October 09, 2009, 06:12:01 AM
CNN has a video of the event, however my laptop doesn't have the "what-scha-ma-call-it" for playing.  :(
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: spanner34.5 on October 09, 2009, 06:31:15 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8299118.stm

Pathetic, even for a fake.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Friend 001 on October 09, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
I'm pretty sure that's SUPPOSED to be a digital representation. But I don't know that video is pretty awkward...
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Wings_RE on October 10, 2009, 03:07:13 AM
I'm pretty sure that's SUPPOSED to be a digital representation. But I don't know that video is pretty awkward...

Actually this was what was released of the actual footage...however we will have to wait some time for the vids or pics from e.g. Hubble will be released.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: spanner34.5 on October 10, 2009, 03:28:40 AM
I'm pretty sure that's SUPPOSED to be a digital representation. But I don't know that video is pretty awkward...

Actually this was what was released of the actual footage...however we will have to wait some time for the vids or pics from e.g. Hubble will be released.
Hubble does not exist.
Title: Re: Proof Space Travel is possible
Post by: Wings_RE on October 10, 2009, 01:50:36 PM
Hubble does not exist.

Ah...my bad! Sorry...<giggle>!