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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
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however what happens when light is pointed perpendicularly towards the earth?
because in our RE, it would speed up.
Light doesn't speed up in any model. The speed of light (in vacuum) is a universal constant, in accordance with Maxwell's laws of electromagnetism.
Um, yes it does. Ever heard of black holes. and please stop flaunting your status of intelligence. Dude, you don't believe in gravity.
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Would this result in red, blue shift then? If the light "accelerating" towards Earth results in blue shift, the how do you account for red shift of stars.
The matter in the stars has fundamentally different properties from that on Earth, causing the line spectra to appear shifted.
Wow, so what exactly are the stars made of?
and how come that stuff has mass, but the earth does not.
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Um, yes it does. Ever heard of black holes.
Yes I have, funnily enough. Ever heard of relativity?
and please stop flaunting your status of intelligence. Dude, you don't believe in gravity.
That is a libelous non-sequitur.
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Wow, so what exactly are the stars made of?
Probably particles with similar, but subtly different, properties to those with which we are familiar.
and how come that stuff has mass, but the earth does not.
The Earth does have mass.
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Um, yes it does. Ever heard of black holes.
Yes I have, funnily enough. Ever heard of relativity?
and please stop flaunting your status of intelligence. Dude, you don't believe in gravity.
That is a libelous non-sequitur.
Yeppers.
libelous: printing fake information on someone,
and you said before that I was insulting your intelligence by coming up with an alternative theory, aka self righteousness.
Again. Dude, you don't believe in gravity.
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Wow, so what exactly are the stars made of?
Probably particles with similar, but subtly different, properties to those with which we are familiar.
and how come that stuff has mass, but the earth does not.
The Earth does have mass.
ok, so NOT hydrogen/helium.
when I say mass, I mean it causes the bending of spacetime aka gravity.
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Dude, you don't believe in gravity.
This, specifically, is the libelous part of your post. Can you come up with any evidence to support this statement?
ok, so NOT hydrogen/helium.
Quite correct.
when I say mass, I mean it causes the bending of spacetime aka gravity.
So do I.
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Dude, you don't believe in gravity.
This, specifically, is the libelous part of your post. Can you come up with any evidence to support this statement?
ok, so NOT hydrogen/helium.
Quite correct.
when I say mass, I mean it causes the bending of spacetime aka gravity.
So do I.
Wait, maybe I don't understand your viewpoint.
do you believe or not, that protons, neutrons, and electrons carry mass?
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Wait, maybe I don't understand your viewpoint.
do you believe or not, that protons, neutrons, and electrons carry mass?
Yes, I do.
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Wait, maybe I don't understand your viewpoint.
do you believe or not, that protons, neutrons, and electrons carry mass?
Yes, I do.
and do you believe the earth to be an infinite plane?
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and do you believe the earth to be an infinite plane?
No.
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and do you believe the earth to be an infinite plane?
No.
So I assume you believe the earth to be a disk.
in that case, how can things accelerate perpendicularly downward at every point on your earth?
gravity vectors for a single field go to one point in space, so unless this point is infinitely far, I
cannot see how the vectors can be normal to the surface.
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So I assume you believe the earth to be a disk.
Don't assume with Robosteve. He'll only come back and say "Where did I ever say I believed the earth to be like a disk."
Best walk away in fact.
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So I assume you believe the earth to be a disk.
What gave you that impression?
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So I assume you believe the earth to be a disk.
Don't assume with Robosteve. He'll only come back and say "Where did I ever say I believed the earth to be like a disk."
Best walk away in fact.
way to predict the future.
and @Parsifal, what do you believe the shape of the earth to be?
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and @Parsifal, what do you believe the shape of the earth to be?
I don't believe the Earth to be any particular shape.
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way to predict the future
I'm glad to be of assistance.
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and @Parsifal, what do you believe the shape of the earth to be?
I don't believe the Earth to be any particular shape.
what.
could you explain that a bit?
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Something growing by 100 billion tons a day definitely has not fixed shape, especially when it is constantly being weathered and shifted by plate tectonics.
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what.
could you explain that a bit?
I don't have any belief that the Earth is a specific shape.
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what.
could you explain that a bit?
I don't have any belief that the Earth is a specific shape.
so does it change its shape?
what do you figure is its mass?
I am very very confounded.
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so does it change its shape?
It could.
what do you figure is its mass?
Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.
I am very very confounded.
I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.
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Something growing by 100 billion tons a day definitely has not fixed shape, especially when it is constantly being weathered and shifted by plate tectonics.
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so does it change its shape?
It could.
what do you figure is its mass?
Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.
I am very very confounded.
I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.
I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.
are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.
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so does it change its shape?
It could.
what do you figure is its mass?
Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.
I am very very confounded.
I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.
I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.
are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.
The size and the shape of the earth are changing constantly. Is reading my post that hard?
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Something growing by 100 billion tons a day definitely has not fixed shape, especially when it is constantly being weathered and shifted by plate tectonics.
you think the earth is growing and changing shape?
I am asking for an approximate shape. any description will due.
like how deep is it?
does it have holes deep inside?
does it have finite mass currently
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so does it change its shape?
It could.
what do you figure is its mass?
Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.
I am very very confounded.
I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.
I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.
are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.
The size and the shape of the earth are changing constantly. Is reading my post that hard?
and what point did I start talking with you? I was unaware that you existed untill my last post
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so does it change its shape?
It could.
what do you figure is its mass?
Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.
I am very very confounded.
I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.
I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.
are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.
The size and the shape of the earth are changing constantly. Is reading my post that hard?
and what point did I start talking with you? I was unaware that you existed untill my last post
You should try reading. Like I said is it really that hard to read my post?
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If it's growing and shifting every day, that's just your way of worming out of making a map, isn't it?
If it WAS growing and shifting everyday, why do RE maps still explain where everything is?
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I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.
are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.
I'm saying that I am not sure. I don't see sufficient evidence for any one shape to compel me to believe in it, and so I remain agnostic about the shape of the Earth.
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If it's growing and shifting every day, that's just your way of worming out of making a map, isn't it?
If it WAS growing and shifting everyday, why do RE maps still explain where everything is?
Lol. I was talking about the round earth. Are you high?
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IDK what you think, but RE doesn't change shape. It's usually round, from what I understand.
Tectonic plates shift, but that doesn't change the shape.
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I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.
are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.
I'm saying that I am not sure. I don't see sufficient evidence for any one shape to compel me to believe in it, and so I remain agnostic about the shape of the Earth.
you are undecided
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If it's growing and shifting every day, that's just your way of worming out of making a map, isn't it?
If it WAS growing and shifting everyday, why do RE maps still explain where everything is?
Lol. I was talking about the round earth. Are you high?
I think YOU are high considering that you think the earth is constantly changing its shape and size
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I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.
are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.
I'm saying that I am not sure. I don't see sufficient evidence for any one shape to compel me to believe in it, and so I remain agnostic about the shape of the Earth.
you are undecided
You could put it that way, yes.
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Meteoric debris rains down on the earth at several billion tons a day. The shape of the earth is slightly spherical but changing constantly with the pull of the moon and many other things.
I understand that you obtained your complete knowledge of "shapes" by the third grade, but something that is constantly changing does not have a fixed shape.
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I'm saying that I am not sure. I don't see sufficient evidence for any one shape to compel me to believe in it, and so I remain agnostic about the shape of the Earth.
It's not a thrilling debate if you just list all the things you don't know Steve.
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It's not a thrilling debate if you just list all the things you don't know Steve.
The question was asked:
and @Parsifal, what do you believe the shape of the earth to be?
And I answered it.
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The question was asked:
And I answered it.
I know. But your answer was dull. It's a debate forum. Give us something to debate Steve. Give me an angle. Show me your stance. Don't come out with hair salon opinions. If I wanted those I'd go to a ...
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I know. But your answer was dull. It's a debate forum. Give us something to debate Steve. Give me an angle. Show me your stance. Don't come out with hair salon opinions. If I wanted those I'd go to a ...
My answer was the truth.
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The question was asked:
And I answered it.
I know. But your answer was dull. It's a debate forum. Give us something to debate Steve. Give me an angle. Show me your stance. Don't come out with hair salon opinions. If I wanted those I'd go to a ...
Don't ask a close ended question and expect an open ended answer.
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Don't ask a close ended question and expect an open ended answer.
No closed answers are OK. So long as they're interesting.
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No closed answers are OK. So long as they're interesting.
So you value an interesting answer over a truthful one? Shows where your priorities lie, I guess.