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Other Discussion Boards => The Lounge => Topic started by: quixotic on July 09, 2006, 11:24:49 PM
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Well?
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HAHAHHAHA its only you and me Engineer
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What did you expect?
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I don't know, some interest. But guess it proves my point as well. For a predominantly American site, no one seems to care, all too laxy to vote in poll....all too laxy to vote out Bush.
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honestly, does it really matter?
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Has anyone even thought that perhaps im wondering if you guys can actually hold and argument outside of the Flat Earth Theory.
And to be honest with you...its all been worth it to here Engineer....hes the only one that has had anything to say....and now my work is done, I just wanted to know what Americans really thought...and Eng was the only one....of all the people that have included themselves, Eng is 4% of that group that cares.
So I now know that it wasn't a mistake that bush has a second term...im sorry for generalising, but for the purpose of this test im using this small percentage....
What do you Americans care about???
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So I now know that it wasn't a mistake that bush has a second term...
I don't ever recall saying I voted for him.
im sorry for generalising
I doubt you are sorry, as this is all you do.
What do you Americans care about???
I care about the same things most other people care about, my family, my job and my country, among others.
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You dont RECALL voting for him???
thats a bit vague...
then y do you (american public) not actually vote? What is the percentage of voters? like 50%?
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ummm the Israeli special special forces are generally accepted to be the best trained in the world, not just in simple training but also because they have a lot of battle field experience in very difficult situations (which is agian why the SAS is considered the second best due to the troubles in NI)
Anyway the American military is good at one thing, killing people. If you want an army annihilated, then there is no one better than the American military. However if you want a scalpel instead of a big fecking mallet i wouldn't use the US military. Did you know that during the invasion more British soldiers were killed by friendly fire from Americans than were killed by Iraqii forces?
So basically if i want to kill a lot of people i'll take the seals. If i want to rescue hostages i'll take the SAS, if i want to assissinate someoen i'll take Mossad.
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Doc, have you seen this related topic?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3134&start=90
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where is the german gsg9? I mean u cant create a poll if u forget important answers. no offence, tho.
But its kinda racist, dont u think? u leave them outa ur poll just because their history. man thats not nice. u better rethink ur attitude.
Have a n1ce week everybody, greetz Hellraider
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SEALS > All
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I rather concur with Dr_Quak's conclusions.
I also have some books by Irish writer Gordon Thomas who seems to have a fair understanding of the intelligence organizations and special police forces of the major countries and their strengths and capabilities.
- Dionysios
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You dont RECALL voting for him???
Damn, you need to learn to read. I said:
I don't ever recall saying I voted for him.
then y do you (american public) not actually vote?
I do vote, every time.
Israeli special special forces are generally accepted to be the best trained in the world
I will agree with this, I forgot about them.
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But the Mossad cant b ecompared to these groups....thats the Israeli version of the CIA or the AIO. there more intelligence gathering organisations and espionage....not infantry fighting units.
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you forgot Spetsnaz.
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Wow... the SEALS are up, aparently noone agrees with Quix... what a surprise
I love how you can try to generalize off of a website like this, I submit that the general population of NO country posts on this website
I did not vote for Bush, I think him being in office is not good, but he is, so you have to take facts as they are
and I shall use your own argument against you Quix.
from you, I can generelize that noone likes the PM, they all think he is a US yes-man, does that mean we own you guys?
What do you Americans care about???
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1. Im not American.
2. I ve stated that he is a cockhead but he is a lot better then the fatter alternative at the moment, plus our economy is booming, rates are down, CPI is steady and we actually have a budget surplus for the last 6yrs, previous to this it was a deficit for 10 yrs under labour.
He is doing something right, but hey i didnt vote for him....I VOTED REPUBLICAN!!
And no, you guys donht own us...the Brits do =D. Its just that we got this stOOpid thing called the ANZAC Treaty which says that we will go to war for America and they will do the same for us...
If you meant "What do Australians care about?"
We care about:
Beer
Pies
Birds
Bats
Balls
Beach
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I agree with your analysis of th Anzac treaty.
And the Mossad definitely carries out assasinations, so Dr_Quak's statement about them being fit for this is accurate.
- Dionysios
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Quix... no shit youre not American, last time I checked, USA does not have a Prime Minister
Wow... that sounds really similar to our president, beside the whole economy thing.
that sucks you can outline your whole culture in six words
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Mossad has two sides, inteligence gathering and acting on the intelligence.
Mossad is like MI6 and SAS combined
anyway the CIA doesn't carry out assisinations, whenever they try it is just a total cock up (the same can be said of MI6) what the do do, and what they both do better than anyone since the soviet union broke down, is gather information.
Also isn't ANZAC a treaty between the UK and Australia and New Zealand? not including America?
and we don't own you, Rupert Murdoch owns you - and he just happens to own america and britian too ;-)
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No the ANZAC treaty is between Aus, NZ and America, drafted after Wordl War II.
Seeeef Rupert owns us, his son is a little bitch. Was out at dinner with my partner and a little Suzuki Swift hit his Rolls Royce, deadset flipped on top of it....starts goin nuts at the poor swift owner saying he needs to buy him a new one...mate that guy can afford to buy everyone in the restaurant a Rolls.
I know Mossad has two sides, but can you seriously tell me when a terrorist group attacks say the pentagon...there gonna call the Mossad?? I dont think so...they would use Delta Force.
Mossad is more an international organisation, plus in terms of ethics, the MOssad still are not really the nicest of people (although this is part of the criteria of being in intelligence.
And what i meant by that Crimson, is that we Aussies are very laid back, honest and generally lazy. Thats why we don't really get on anyones nerves like America.
And at the end of the day, if there was a high profile assasination needed, they would more then likely contract it out to one of those Black Ops Knobs who doesn't even exist.
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I would be reticent to claim the CIA does not carry out assasinations. I would believe it does. It certainly consistently hires out others to commit assainations so it will avoid the blame. Willaim Blum's 'Losing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions 1945-2000' is the best and most comprehensive one volume expose of the CIA's activities worldwide I have ever seen.
Also, Covert Action Quarterly exposes the CIA though it is unfortunately not published as regularly as it used to be. All the back issues from 1978 to the present are still avilable from the publisher, though early issues are often now photocopies.
Rupert Murdoch certainly owns major media in these countries. He also owns the Jerusalem Post. His biggest acquisition occurred in 1998 when he bought the media empire of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan's financial sponsor.
- Dionysios
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well yeh ofc they ain't gonna call Mossad into the pentagon, just as britain ain't gonna call delta forces into Whitehall.
I'm just saying if i want someone killed descretely and i can use anyone i want, i ain't gonna use any american force - i'm going to call Mossad.
and if i want a hostage situation resolved and the hostages left alive, i'm not going to call mossad, or any american force i'm gonna call SAS (or possibly Superman if he is availible).
However if i want that entire building leveled, and i dont' care who dies or who knows what i'm doing i will call American forces.... and perhaps superman again (though he'll probably rescuie the people inside the building first... the panzy)
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Again, I completely concur with your analysis.
- Dionysios
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Agreed...
And this post is about the forcefula dn immoral attitude off the American military....
so.....
I gues to finish, shold they be there? Why are they there if we can all see they are not totally effective.
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Noone is totally effective, not even the best special force hits with every bullet, or gets every hostage out without a single scratch.
we both agreed that somone needs to be there
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I go further than mere troop removal from Iraq or elsewhere. I believe the entire US military should be abolished, if it were only possible.
I have read in 'Middle East' magazine that the Bush administration has unfortuinately proposed the construction of four super baes in Iraq which would last for decades. One would be inthe northeast near the Kurdich area. Another in the south, another in the west near the Jordanian border, and the biggest one in the centre of the country. They plan to locate them away from population areas and use already existing bases as the hubs from which to expand upon.
These could be used as a basis for an invasion of Iran, which could prove to be american suicide if they were stupid enough to ever do it. The Chinese and Russians both give tentative support to Iran, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's unanswered letter to Bush from earlier this year outlining a plan for the maintenance of peace has given China and Russia something to work with.
Iran is trying to woo Turkey away from american infuence as Turkey has increased heavy handed policing of Kurdish southeastern Turkey after a few years of relative calm. To assert that Iraq is not inviolable as america would have it, Iran invaded northern Kurdish controlled Iraq around April of this year and attacked several Kurdish bases in the area. Turkey has not done anything like this outside its border in Iraq lately in order to retain american support, but Iran's invasion of Iraq ealier this year was a deliberate sign to Turkey to contrast it wth the US as Iran was willing to and did attack Turkey's enemy while the US would view it unfavorably if Turkey did. I do not condone what Iran did with respect to the Kurds, but I believe that if the US is foolish enough to invade Iraq, it could end up paying for it with its life. It would not be like the virtually nonresistant Iraqi invasion.
- Dionysios
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Well, i dont really think Iran is too much of a threat...
The only thing we have to be careful of is the sleeping tiger in China. The only Army in the world that has 1 million full time infantry, that a lot of manpower.
They could easily invade us (AUS) tomorrow without a worry from our 40,000 full time Army personnel.
But, hey, guess they'd have a hard time of it with so much coastline =D
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Abolishing an army, that is rediculous.
as for that other dribble you wrote, i really dont feel like responding to what you "read"
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Quixotic,
I concur that Iran is not a threat to the US, or at least it does not need to be. American interventionism will more than likely prove to be its own worst enemy.
It seems we see things from different sides of the fence as although I am a US Navy veteran of the Submarine Force, politically I would concur rather strongly with statesmen like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and do not consider myself an american.
It is a very good thing that americans disapprove of Bush and this attitude is a step in the direction of peace with other countries.
- Dionysios
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Personally Dionysios, I think people like you should have their citizenship abolished, not being specific to anything you have said, beside not considering yourself an American
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I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on where the North Korea situation will head..... Certainly it has been approached with much more caution than Iraq or Afganistan..... probably due to N.K being (publicly) a little more trigger happy.
This is now an important revelation to us in AUS (not to say that's its not to anyone else, but we're well within their missile range), and provides an even more unstable region.
The best thing I've read about it is that China (on the record) is quite keen to calm the situation down, and use diplomatic means to resolve the conflict.
Jeez if you lived in S Korea you'd be sh*tting yourself, wouldn't you :shock:
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Crimson, you tosser.
Dion is the only one with the right attitude. As long as people like yourself Crimson, who say they dont like Bush, but deep down you want to be ruled from afar, becaue you could not be F**ked makin your own decisions.
That is disgraceful to say that he should have his citizenship abolished. I thgouht America was a democracy?? Has he no right to say that he does not agree with BUsh. Or is it that he is saying that he partailly supports a MIddle Eastern??
You took him too literally....of course hes American, but he considers himself of the more traditional and ethical Americans of the past. The current American is selfish, lazy but yet still patriotic. In the past patriotism fuelled passion, debate, anger and eventually action. Now you guys cuoldn't give a rats arse about anything
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North Korea is a damn worry!!
Although if they did ever decide to do anything, there missiles would be shot out of the sky before you can say KIM JONG SUK
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Has anyone else here heard of Star Wars (not the movie)
or Brilliant???
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Okay, I initially overreacted as per the Engineer's comments, but I want to thank quixotic for his comment above. It is an illustration that just because someone believes in america as he does not mean we must be personally enemies.
I also appreciate what he said about older generations of americans reguardless of the separate critical post on the american military, as it was indeed a better country in the past than it is now.
- Dionysios
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I sure would be, especially knowing the mental state and maturity of Kim Jong Il, now that guy is more than a little nuts. Now that he aparently has nucular capabilities, God help us all
Personally I think that we should just give the North Koreans a nice nudge to bump the guy off themselves
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The current American is selfish, lazy but yet still patriotic. In the past patriotism fuelled passion, debate, anger and eventually action. Now you guys cuoldn't give a rats arse about anything
There you go again, making stupid generalizations. I am neither selfish or lazy and I give a rat's ass about many a things.
You are also a fascist wanting to take away rights from me just because you disagree with my opinions. I do not think this about you, but if you were ever stupid enough to attempt to take away my passport from my person, I would shove a pistol in your mouth and squeeze the trigger until it CLICKS.
Wow, Dionysios, you need to go back on your meds. Damn, man, calm down.
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Okay, you are right, but I thank quixotic for his coments and apologize to him if the political thread had been sidetracked.
- Dionysios
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Wow, so you hate the country, dont think you are a part of the country, but still want to remain a citizen, you are a loon
I enjoy the fascist comment, especially being an Italian Catholic
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You are defending that son of a bitch crimson king which makes you just as wrong as he is.
You must be bipolar. This absurd side of you is not flattering.
How about I shove that medicine down your throat? Don't like the taste of your own medicine do you, hypocrite?
- Dionysios
You are the one always talking about God and religion, and yet you talk about sticking a gun in someone's mouth and empting the clip and shoving medicine down my throat - You are the hypocrite.
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See my revised comment above reguarding the Engineer's criticism.
Retruning to the subject at hand, I repost here my comment on the uselessness of the american military presence in Iraq:
As america is the cause of the near eastern problem, abolition of america and its military would only tend to solve the problems of the near east. Many muslim resistance organizations like those in Iraq have as their rimary purpose the ousting of the american colonialist occupation force. Yet america uses the existence of such organizations as its excuse to stay. Why not get out of Iraq...NOW?
- Dionysios
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Exactly....
And Eng....I will continue to generalise about Americans until one of you can prove me wrong. I spent 1yr overseas in Europe and i was surprised to here the conversation.debates we would get into with Americans...
Every American I have met is ignorant, lazy and generally a half wit, and im sorry for those of you like Eng (who have got abrain) if you take offense, but your giving me nothing to think you are nation of people that actually cares.
I mean, when I went to the states, the first thing I got asked ws "do you ride a kangaroo to school?" Intially i thought it was quite funny, a poke at the Aussies, but by the 15th time i got asked, i was really wondering...Have any of these people been outside there own state?
The answer is probably not..
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I will continue to generalise about Americans until one of you can prove me wrong.
Every American I have met is ignorant, lazy and generally a half wit,
I am not ignorant, as I am well educated and have a great career; I am not lazy, as I have held a job every day of my life since I was 15yrs old and I worked 40 hrs a week while going to school for my degree; As I said before, I am well educated, so I guess that makes me a full-wit.
Since one of us Americans proved you wrong (as you requested), you can now stop making generalizations.
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You've proved what, exactly waht i said, you are alright, but waht about the rest??
Whats the current umeployment rate in America??
Ive never met you Eng, so i will continue to think your very wierd.
Because to me, you are a scientist that believes in a flat earth = oxymoron
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You've proved what, exactly waht i said, you are alright, but waht about the rest??
You said that once one of us proves that we are not lazy, ignorant, and a half wit you would stop generalizing. I did. Now stop.
Whats the current umeployment rate in America??
As of last month it was 4.6% and in Australia it is 5.1%. Why do you ask?
Ive never met you Eng, so i will continue to think your very wierd.
That's not very nice...
Because to me, you are a scientist that believes in a flat earth
Where did you get that idea?
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Ive never met you, and you should no the internet is definitely not a true representation of someone, if you would like to meet im sure you would be a typcal american....im sorry but ive never met a "good" american...
Its just the way it is
Also, 4.1% of 260 mil v 5.1% of 18 mil?? and you forgot to mention the rest from that article Eng
http://www.budget.gov.au/2005-06/overview/html/overview_06.htm
So our growth rate is climbing
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/060707/7jobs.htm
your growth rate is slowing
I believe your weird because to me a scientist is someone that bases everything on fact, but yet you believe in the FE theory. So to me thats a little odd, thats all
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Also, 4.1% of 260 mil v 5.1% of 18 mil??
It's a percentage. You do know what a percentage is, right?
I but yet you believe in the FE theory.
Once again, where did you you get that idea?
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Im just saying that there are a lot more unemployed people in America, and it is on the rise.
Because you are always refuting RE questions??
Are you not an FE believer??
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Actually the Australian unemployment rate is on the decline (4.9%, May 2006 from the Australian Bureau of Statistics [where i work]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6202.0)
I tried to find some corresponding statistics on the US http://www.census.gov/ website, but it's so rank compared to ours, that I could only find stats from 2004 at the latest, and nothing that wasn't grouped by age etc. without spending a lot of time searching for it, which I couldn't be bothered doing (it took me 1 minute to get the data).
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Quixotic,
Although I do not agree 100% with all their premises (chiefly colonialism), the Australian League of Rights is one of the few outstanding right wing organizations I do respect, and I have ordered books from them several times over the years. During my recent visit to Australia, I visited their Adelaide book store in Happy Valley. They have been around since 1946, and their founder Eric Butler is still alive at over 100 years of age.
As a historical side note, Eric Butler is the reason the John Birch Society got an undeserved anti-Jewish reputation. I do not say this because I like the Birch Society, but only because it is the truth as the Birch Society is a sophisticated pro-zionist and anti-communist organization, which I am quite opposed to. In 1967, the Birch Society's monthly 'American Opinion' ran an entire issue as an almanac of the world analysing the degree of communist advance in each sector of the world. Eric Butler, the founder and president of th Australian League of Rights at the time, authored the chapter on the near east entitled 'Where the Heat Is On.' The fact that the Birch Society with its american following had allowed Butler to write an article in its journal motivated the Anti-Defamation League to initiate an anti-John Birh Society campaign in that year. In my opinion the Birch Society actually tries to wean out the potential anti-zionists of the conservative movement. The ADL's campaign is the source of the misconception that the John Birch Society was ever really anti-zionist, which it is not as its articles constantly attack all the same enemies that israel has. If anything, the organization is more pro-israel than israel itself. The John Birch Society has always been a sort of sophisticated political version of Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell (or their predecessors like Billy James Hargis).
But never mind those has-been idiots (who seem to have finally given up trying to assert the israeli spawned anti-communist propaganda that the alleged Soviet break-up is proceeding as planned back in the 1950's and the final Soviet offensive is close at hand) as the Australian League of Rights has always been more 'On Target' than almost all other conservative organizations combined:
http://www.alor.org/
- Dionysios
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Im just saying that there are a lot more unemployed people in America, and it is on the rise.
So you don't know how percentages work...
Actually the Australian unemployment rate is on the decline - 4.9%
I could only find figures from 2005 at 2:00 am.
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Yes i know waht a precentage is Eng, and i KNow its relative.
But still, i cant find one article that says the unemployment rate is decreasing.
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But still, i cant find one article that says the unemployment rate is decreasing.
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000
You're welcome.
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litlle presumptuous isn't??
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Yes. It doesn't agree with your claims at all does it?
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No, that I would want to thank Engineer??
not the article...
oooooohhhhhh its even on the poll now...
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Im not refuting the unemployment rate in America. Here is some good stats though from a site dated June 2006.
Rick, these are almost as descriptive as ours at ABS.
Good stats..
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
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What does the unemployment rate have to do with our discussion?
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I believe we were discussing the basis for Quix's belief that most American's are lazy/ignorant.
(Don't necessarily agree, just putting you back on track)
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Unemployment has everything to do with it....
Can anyone tell what sort of welfare system is operating in America.
Also, did anyone know that there is no such thing as "welfare" in Japan.
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Unemployment has everything to do with it....
I'm waiting...
Can anyone tell what sort of welfare system is operating in America.
In the United States, personal welfare is normally given to households with children, often headed by single mothers and even these households have only been able to access benefits for a maximum of five years per lifetime of the adult recipient since 1996. Before 1996, United States personal welfare for households with children was first named Aid to Dependent Children, which was later called Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC). In 1996 as part of welfare reform, AFDC was replaced by Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), which included more limits on the amount of time an individual or family can receive welfare. Since 1996, the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), which is arguably not welfare at all in the common United States context of the term, has largely replaced AFDC as the primary anti-poverty program in the United States.
With regard to personal welfare for the individuals without children, most U.S. states had been providing welfare benefits to single adults and childless married couples since the Great Depression, but the number of states doing so declined steeply during the 1990s, and many of the states that still provide such benefits use methods other than cash payments to render the assistance. For example, many California counties currently provide only vouchers. At present, only two states — New Jersey and Utah — still provide cash benefits to poverty-stricken adults who do not have child dependents. These programs were often known officially by such names as Home Relief, General Assistance, or General Relief.
Once again, you're welcome.
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Sorry, I meant the people that are eligble for welfare. What are the requirements to get it?
Just intersted. We have a scheme called "work for the dole". The unemployed actually get put into menial jobs, instead of just getting welfare checks. Is there a similar systems in the states.
And unemployment has everything to so with it, coz as Rick said im talking about the laziness of Americans, both to go ot and get a job and to actually vote.
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5 yrs maximum?
Is that a standard limit for all welfare benefits (pension, disability pension etc I would assume probably not)? What about if a person is unable to find work after the 5 years?
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Just intersted. We have a scheme called "work for the dole". The unemployed actually get put into menial jobs, instead of just getting welfare checks. Is there a similar systems in the states.
Yes, the major program for the US is similar to your 'work for the dole' and people recieving welfare must prove they are trying to find a job every month.
And unemployment has everything to so with it, coz as Rick said im talking about the laziness of Americans, both to go ot and get a job and to actually vote.
So does that mean that Australians are more lazy than Americans?
Is that a standard limit for all welfare benefits (pension, disability pension etc I would assume probably not
The limit does not apply to Soc.Sec. or disability.
What about if a person is unable to find work after the 5 years?
Then that person is SOL and should have tried harder. Who can't go to McDonalds and get a job? In 5yrs, you could be a manager and have no need for welfare.
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Engineer,
Question: Were you ever in the US military?
- Dionysios
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Engineer,
Question: Were you ever in the US military?
A torn MCL and the ensuing surgeries has prevented me from joining. Damned if I didn't try my ass off, though.
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What grade tear was it, Eng?
Only reason I ask is because a friend of mine had a grade 1 tear, and they still kept him. Granted this is Canadian army, and he was already joined up.
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Just for the record, I trust you are aware that I am an honorably discharged Second Class Petty Officer of the US Naval Submarine Force who has served on both ballistic missile and fast attack submarines (on both coasts). The latter also included overseas anti-drug trafficking operations, and I can certainly say I agree with such missions and do not regret having taken part in them.
- Dionysios
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and he was already joined up.
That explains it.
- Dionysios
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Even if they considered it self-inflicted?
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What grade tear was it, Eng?
Only reason I ask is because a friend of mine had a grade 1 tear
It was many years ago, so I don't remember the grade of the tear. However, my kneecap was only held on by one ligament, and the other had to be stiched back together. I must say, it is by far the worst pain I have ever felt (I am even including a motorcycle accident I had 1.5yrs ago on the freeway at 65 mph).
and they still kept him. Granted this is Canadian army, and he was already joined up.
This happened just before my physical for the air force. There was no hiding this from them.
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Mosta anyone in the military inflicting injuries upon themselves would lose a high security position automatically. Everyone on a submarine has to have at least a SECRET clearance, so he would have been kicked off a submarine. Whether one remains in the military depends on how much they will bend the rules or be lenient. They might be given a low level job.
As far as getting back into the military after self-inflicting injuries, I doubt it, but it depends on how desperate they are. During the 1990's bonuses were not offered, and the military was an unfavorable option. Beginning in the late 1990's, they began to offer more incentives and bonuses for certain positions.
- Dionysios
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Our "work for the Dole" program doesnt mean they just have to prove they are looking for jobs, thats just the normal welfare system. You ahve to go to at least 4 interviews a week.
For work for the dole, you are actually PUT in a job. E.g They will make you clean up schools or parks.
So after fice years, are they no longer eligble for any kind of welfare?
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prove they are looking for jobs, thats just the normal welfare system. You ahve to go to at least 4 interviews a week.
How else would you prove you are looking for a job?
For work for the dole, you are actually PUT in a job. E.g They will make you clean up schools or parks.
Like I said, we have the same set up. They are often put in community service positions. We have a normal welfare set-up in addition.
So after fice years, are they no longer eligble for any kind of welfare?
For the most part, they are cut off at 5 yrs. However, states can make extentions to a certain percentage of recipients.
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Im not arguing with you Eng...
Im asking you questions of your welfare system.
Your first post was not clear.
Now how do i post photos so I can show you the Ice wall
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Generalising all yankee's because of the few you met is bigotry (it isn't racism because American isn't a race - just as technically Jewish isn't either)
As i have said elsewhere, America is too insular - it isn't that they are stupid (they aren't) it is just that, for most Americans there introduction to other cultures is amounts to having a Mexican man serve him/her there Big Mac (I lived in North Cal for several years and still visit there a lot).
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Fine then....if you want to call me a bigot, then do so, but know that is was because fo those few i met...i cant help that in my lifetime ive met about 100 totally useless americans, shame, maybe i sholda gone to Mammoth instead of Aspen??
Mate....hal of them haven't even left their street let alone their state...
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Fine then....if you want to call me a bigot, then do so, but know that is was because fo those few i met...i cant help that in my lifetime ive met about 100 totally useless americans, shame, maybe i sholda gone to Mammoth instead of Aspen??
No, you should realize that America is just a hunk of land with imaginary lines as borders, just like Australia and every other country, and that the people there are basically the same as the people in Australia and every other country. Then, you should get your head out of your rear and stop generalizing, and start judging people on their merit and not the piece of ground they happened to be born on.
Mate....hal of them haven't even left their street let alone their state...
Worldliness does not equate to intelligence, you, having gone all the way to America from Australia, are proof of this.
By the same token, ignorance does not equate to untintelligence.
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Im sure that comment about people never having leaving their area, that happens everywhere in the world, I have personally seen it in multiple countries.
Many Americans, such as many of my friends and I, are well-traveled and have seen many cultures
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start judging people on their merit and not the piece of ground they happened to be born on.
Troughout this whole thread I ahve been saying that I am basing my decsion on those Americans I ahve met...yes Im genrelising, but of all the AMericans i have met (and once again ive met many), not one of them could hold a bloody conversation, they constantly asked me about my bloody pet Kangaroo....
Worldliness??
I dont about that, but yes, I do believe culture does equate to wisdom. I am glad and a changed person for the places I have seen, and it is mainly due to this that my attitude towards americans grows and grows, because the international community is not happy with what is going on.
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Troughout this whole thread I ahve been saying that I am basing my decsion on those Americans I ahve met...yes Im genrelising, but of all the AMericans i have met (and once again ive met many), not one of them could hold a bloody conversation, they constantly asked me about my bloody pet Kangaroo....
Has anyone on this forum asked you about your pet kangaroo? No? Didn't think so. A lot of the people here are from the US. You do the math; clearly not all Americans are the ignorant fools you're accusing them of being.
I dont about that, but yes, I do believe culture does equate to wisdom. I am glad and a changed person for the places I have seen, and it is mainly due to this that my attitude towards americans grows and grows, because the international community is not happy with what is going on.
First off, basing your opinion of anything on the opinion of the international community, rather than your own observations of said thing is foolish at best, and destructive at worst.
Secondly, simply because someone is not well-travelled, and ignorant of other cultures does not mean they are idiots. For instance, would you categorically call people who don't have the means to leave their country, for one reason or another, idiots? You'd be a fool to do so. The fact that you, who have travelled to another coumtry, are still so biggoted seems to indicate, to me, that being well-travelled does not confer unto one any sort of wisdom.
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LOL fuck off Sarthos, your obviously clueless..
Has anyone on this forum asked you about your pet kangaroo? No? Didn't think so. A lot of the people here are from the US. You do the math; clearly not all Americans are the ignorant fools you're accusing them of being.
FFS, how many times do I hjave to say this..I have not MET you, for all i know you seem like smart guys over the net (although half of you believe in a flat earth) but you may be 13 year faggots who still have their mummy cooking for them, who dont vote because they couldn't be fucked and haven't got a job becasue A. their too lazy or B. you got your f**kin daddy.
So dont tell me who and who no to judge. Your just making me think worse about Americans coz you guys always respond like this.
Only one person has actually conceded and said...hey, shit, maybe america is a bit f**ked
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... but you may be 13 year faggots who still have their mummy cooking for them, who dont vote because they couldn't be fucked and haven't got a job becasue A. their too lazy or B. you got your f**kin daddy.
You talk like this, and I'm supposed to believe that all of your opinions are not totally asinine? You have failed to convince me. I reiterate my previous belief that everybody is entitled to his opinion, regardless of how stupid that opinion is.
So dont tell me who and who no to judge. Your just making me think worse about Americans coz you guys always respond like this.
See, that's where your story becomes inconsistent. Do Americans always respond by confronting you with your own raging bigotry, or do they always respond by asking about your pet kangaroo?
Only one person has actually conceded and said...hey, shit, maybe america is a bit f**ked
Your unwillingness to believe that some people might disagree with you, and yet not be assholes or lunatics, is what makes you an idiot.
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I DONT CARE IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!! ISNT THAT THE POINT OF THESE THREADS. ISNT THIS A 'FORUM' FOR DISCUSSIONS??
I AM ENTITLED TO SAY THAT I DONT LIKE AMERICANS!!
WOULD THERE BE THIS UPROAR IF I ALSO TOLD YOU I DONT LIKE:
BRUSSEL SPROUTS
WIND
SHOES WITH NO LACES
QUEUES
????
I DONT THINK SO
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Mate, you realize that "shouting" in caps produces no additional effect other than making people doubt your a) english, or b) sanity?
You are entitled to say you don't like americans, but we're also just as entitled to point out that this is simply the result of your own bigotry, and not because americans are actually bad people.
Also, you seem to be basing your judgements of people on the wrong things...again. See, what you should be adressing are peoples' points and ideas regardless of their age or whether they are "faggots" who "still have their mummy cooking for them", or whether they vote, or have jobs.
So dont tell me who and who no to judge. Your just making me think worse about Americans coz you guys always respond like this.
You think worse of people because they point out that being a bigot is bad? I find this extremely disturbing...
Only one person has actually conceded and said...hey, shit, maybe america is a bit f**ked
You realize that saying america as a country is in bad shape does not equate to believing that all americans are morons?
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omg....
ffs
ok...
I think worse of people, because they do seem to be fitting my bill of an "american" because they are not letting me say my peice.
You can call me a bigot, its what happens in debates. I dont feel bad because you think im a bigot or insane, because i dont know you. But i dont think you can say:
we're also just as entitled to point out that this is simply the result of your own bigotry
Because:
your telling me if you met five aussies, 1 was a druggy, 2 had sexually assaulted a family member, 1 was obviously so up himself that you couldnt talk to him and one just stared at your nose while touching himself, you wouldnt come to some sort of conclusion...perhaps that we're all crazy.
You realize that saying america as a country is in bad shape does not equate to believing that all americans are morons?
Yes I do, Ive never said this. I said that the morons in the country contribute to the bad shape in which it is in
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I think worse of people, because they do seem to be fitting my bill of an "american" because they are not letting me say my peice.
I'm pretty sure you are saying your piece. This is your piece, isn't it?
your telling me if you met five aussies, 1 was a druggy, 2 had sexually assaulted a family member, 1 was obviously so up himself that you couldnt talk to him and one just stared at your nose while touching himself, you wouldnt come to some sort of conclusion...perhaps that we're all crazy.
Not quite. We're telling you that if we did "come to some sort of conclusion", it would make us bigots, and that since you appear to have "come to some sort of conclusion", it makes you a bigot. Bigot!
Yes I do, Ive never said this. I said that the morons in the country contribute to the bad shape in which it is in
So you concede then that you have no idea what proportion of Americans are morons?
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Conceded: I dont know....
But id o know of some A Grade Morons
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ewwwwwwww
SAS has been polled as the most elite force...
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So basically if i want to kill a lot of people i'll take the seals.
If i want to rescue hostages i'll take the SAS,
if i want to assissinate someoen i'll take Mossad.
So basically if I want to read about the SEALS and CIA killing people, I'll take William Blum:
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/William_Blum.html
If I want to read about what the SAS and MI5 really do, I'll take Stephen Dorril and Robin Ramsay's Lobster Journal:
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/
If I want to read about the Mossad assassinating someone, I'll take the Mossad Homepage only with a lot of salt:
http://www.mossad.gov.il/default.aspx