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Title: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 04, 2009, 06:09:03 PM


What are these? Many of these things floating around are of
course space debris. There are other objects changing direction and speed
so suddenly, that they can't be just space debris.

Discuss!
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: cmdshft on July 04, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
How come every post you
type like this, putting line
breaks in places where
they don't need to be?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Mykael on July 04, 2009, 10:02:15 PM
I don't
know. English isn't Sven's
first language, but he
seems competent
enough with it, he
shouldn't be making those sorts of annoying
mistakes.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Pongo on July 04, 2009, 10:08:56 PM
He posts from his iPhone.  I can only assume that causes the unnecessary line brakes. 
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: cmdshft on July 04, 2009, 10:10:32 PM
He posts from his iPhone.  I can only assume that causes the unnecessary line brakes. 

No. I post from my iPod touch, which is the same exact operating system underneath, and I've never had that happen.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Pongo on July 04, 2009, 10:19:18 PM
I'm posting from my iPhone to test hara's perposterious theory of line iPod posting. Do far I have noticed nothing out of the ordinary. Some say it's difficult to think up nonsensical things to talk about. I however, find it easy. Though, I am worried about spelling errors as I will not be correcting them. Does anyone else think that Hara's new avatar looks like one that Soze would use?  Who's he trying to trap anyways?  I'd already let him stick it in any hole he pleased. This is getting me hot, I wonder if Physics has hit up maxim.com yet today and posted in the "what you would fap to" thread yet. I sure hope so. Ok, I think this is a long enough test...
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 12:44:57 AM
How come every post you
type like this, putting line
breaks in places where
they don't need to be?

It's true. It's easier to do line breaks earlier then to write all the way to the right, when I'm on the iPhone. Now i'm not though, so know I can use all the available space in the editor.

Now, back on topic. Anyone have any thoughts on the video?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 12:50:16 AM
How come every post you
type like this, putting line
breaks in places where
they don't need to be?

Now I also realized that it looks like
you wrote a poem when using line breaks earlier.

Like:

Gorgonzola
Cambazola
Happy snappers
Sandwich wrappers

Parmesan
Vacherin
Week old socks
Unwashed cocks

All these
Say cheese
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Pongo on July 05, 2009, 03:34:30 AM
I just watched the link and OMG, could you possibly find a grainer video?  Also, that face on mars was debunked years ago. In fact, it was never even bunked in the first place.  However, do I think there are aliens out there?  Yes.  Are they visiting earth?  No.     
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 03:48:04 AM
I just watched the link and OMG, could you possibly find a grainer video?  Also, that face on mars was debunked years ago. In fact, it was never even bunked in the first place.  However, do I think there are aliens out there?  Yes.  Are they visiting earth?  No.     

I've seen those videos in better quality. I'm not thinking about the face on mars, but rather those objects speeding up and changing direction. Some say it's space debris hitting our atmosphere at one angle and bouncing off at another. I find this highly unlikely though.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2009, 04:02:35 AM
Are we discussing the property of a UFO?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Crudblud on July 05, 2009, 04:07:14 AM
Actaully, I think UFO's is the name of a bar and grill.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 07:20:38 AM
Are we discussing the property of a UFO?

That may be, but I guess you want to establish what, and what is not an UFO first?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2009, 07:51:53 AM
That may be, but I guess you want to establish what, and what is not an UFO first?

A UFO, as the name suggests, is a flying object which has not been identified.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 08:25:54 AM
That may be, but I guess you want to establish what, and what is not an UFO first?

A UFO, as the name suggests, is a flying object which has not been identified.

Alright. Do you have any theories on what we're seeing in that video then?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
Alright. Do you have any theories on what we're seeing in that video then?

Fireflies.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
Alright. Do you have any theories on what we're seeing in that video then?

Fireflies.

Fireflies in space?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2009, 09:49:27 AM
Fireflies in space?

Yes.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 09:55:09 AM
Fireflies in space?

Yes.

They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space. Therefore your claim is worthless.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2009, 10:15:35 AM
There are no oxygen in space.

There is plenty of oxygen in space.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
There are no oxygen in space.

There is plenty of oxygen in space.

Nope.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2009, 10:49:09 AM
Nope.

Yep.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 10:51:01 AM
Nope.

Yep.

Nope.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm)
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2009, 10:53:18 AM
Nope.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm)

Gas is not the only form in which oxygen can exist.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
Nope.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm)

Gas is not the only form in which oxygen can exist.

Do fireflies drink oxygen then?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2009, 11:47:05 AM
Do fireflies drink oxygen then?

No, and the fact that you think liquid oxygen can exist in space shows a terrible lack of understanding of thermodynamics.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: semperround on July 05, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
Nope.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm)

Gas is not the only form in which oxygen can exist.

Do fireflies drink oxygen then?
the link you provided proves that you don't know how to read.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 12:07:28 PM
Nope.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06131.htm)

Gas is not the only form in which oxygen can exist.

Do fireflies drink oxygen then?
the link you provided proves that you don't know how to read.

How come?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: semperround on July 05, 2009, 07:34:15 PM
Quote
What we really mean
is that there is so little gas in space that we can't use it to breath.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 07:39:36 PM
Quote
What we really mean
is that there is so little gas in space that we can't use it to breath.

Yes? I've read that. When I said there's no oxygen in space, I meant enough oxygen to breath in, since we're talking about living things here.
We can't breath in space, the same goes with fireflies.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: semperround on July 05, 2009, 08:22:58 PM
Quote
What we really mean
is that there is so little gas in space that we can't use it to breath.

Yes? I've read that. When I said there's no oxygen in space, I meant enough oxygen to breath in, since we're talking about living things here.
We can't breath in space, the same goes with fireflies.
i wouldn't be so quick to deny the existance of living things in the near vaccum of space. the apollo 12 lunar mission recoverd parts of surveryor 3 which landed on the moon a few years prior. when analayzed in a lab on earth it was found to have had bactirial contamination during its construction. these bactiria survived the entire voyage through space in a dormant state and where successfully reanimated when they were returned to earth.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 05, 2009, 08:34:29 PM
Quote
What we really mean
is that there is so little gas in space that we can't use it to breath.

Yes? I've read that. When I said there's no oxygen in space, I meant enough oxygen to breath in, since we're talking about living things here.
We can't breath in space, the same goes with fireflies.
i wouldn't be so quick to deny the existance of living things in the near vaccum of space. the apollo 12 lunar mission recoverd parts of surveryor 3 which landed on the moon a few years prior. when analayzed in a lab on earth it was found to have had bactirial contamination during its construction. these bactiria survived the entire voyage through space in a dormant state and where successfully reanimated when they were returned to earth.

Yes, I've heard about that. But there is a slight difference between bacteria and insects.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: semperround on July 05, 2009, 09:43:48 PM
Quote
What we really mean
is that there is so little gas in space that we can't use it to breath.

Yes? I've read that. When I said there's no oxygen in space, I meant enough oxygen to breath in, since we're talking about living things here.
We can't breath in space, the same goes with fireflies.
i wouldn't be so quick to deny the existance of living things in the near vaccum of space. the apollo 12 lunar mission recoverd parts of surveryor 3 which landed on the moon a few years prior. when analayzed in a lab on earth it was found to have had bactirial contamination during its construction. these bactiria survived the entire voyage through space in a dormant state and where successfully reanimated when they were returned to earth.

Yes, I've heard about that. But there is a slight difference between bacteria and insects.
we may never know, what i am saying is that life is more robust then we tend to think.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Soze on July 05, 2009, 09:50:32 PM
They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.
You've been to space and studied fireflies in that environment?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 06, 2009, 01:30:29 AM
They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.
You've been to space and studied fireflies in that environment?

No, have you?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Guessed on July 06, 2009, 12:24:15 PM
Yes, and you're absolutely wrong.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Transfixus on July 06, 2009, 02:36:19 PM
They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.
You've been to space and studied fireflies in that environment?

No, have you?

Die!
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 06, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
Yes, and you're absolutely wrong.

Proof?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Guessed on July 06, 2009, 04:07:29 PM
Yes, and you're absolutely wrong.

Proof?

Proof to the contrary?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Soze on July 06, 2009, 04:16:07 PM
No, have you?
Was I making any claims?

They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 01:51:48 AM
Yes, and you're absolutely wrong.

Proof?

Proof to the contrary?

You're the guys claiming that fireflies are in space. I don't have to prove a negative. It's your claim.
Now, go on, prove it. Oh, so you can't? Thought so.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 01:55:46 AM
No, have you?
Was I making any claims?

They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.

Let me be more precise, since you're pointing out semantics.
There is not enough oxygen in space for a firefly to breath.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Pongo on July 07, 2009, 02:20:05 AM
Actually, there is adequate oxygen for fireflies to meet all their breathing requirements in space.  I can prove this. 
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on July 07, 2009, 02:46:50 AM
New theory. The sun is not a spotlight, but rather a huge colony of fireflies.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 02:49:03 AM
Actually, there is adequate oxygen for fireflies to meet all their breathing requirements in space.  I can prove this. 

Go!
Even if there were, you also have to explain how the fireflies can get to space. :D
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Pongo on July 07, 2009, 02:53:20 AM
Fireflies, like all insects, don't breathe.  They use diffusion to get oxygen to their cells.  Ergo, all their breathing requirements (0%) are met in full in any environment.  Also, I do not have to explain how fireflies get into space to prove they don't breathe.  That's like you asking me to explain how fish got on Jupiter to understand how gills work.  Preposterous.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 03:06:02 AM
Fireflies, like all insects, don't breathe.  They use diffusion to get oxygen to their cells.  Ergo, all their breathing requirements (0%) are met in full in any environment.  Also, I do not have to explain how fireflies get into space to prove they don't breathe.  That's like you asking me to explain how fish got on Jupiter to understand how gills work.  Preposterous. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion

That's not what I was asking you to do. I know they don't breath like we do, but they "breath" air. Not with lungs. The air goes into the tracheal tubes and passes through the system of branching trachea. The circulatory system of insects, like that of other arthropods, is open: the heart pumps the hemolymph through arteries to open spaces surrounding the organs; when the heart relaxes, the hemolymph seeps back into the heart.

Still, show how there is enough oxygen in space, and how they will survive a trip to space, and let us not forget, how they will survive in an almost 100% vacuum environment. In space, there are high-energy protons and electrons, ultraviolet radiation, atomic oxygen, high and low temperature extremes, hard vacuum, galactic cosmic radiation, micrometeors, man-made debris and a lot of other things as well.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Pongo on July 07, 2009, 03:10:56 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 03:42:35 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on July 07, 2009, 04:47:22 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 07, 2009, 05:18:15 AM
Still, show how there is enough oxygen in space

See: comets.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 06:30:17 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on July 07, 2009, 06:33:54 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 08:52:25 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Guessed on July 07, 2009, 09:24:02 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 09:42:40 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on July 07, 2009, 09:46:09 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

No, that is what I said. You said it was impossible for them to exist up there.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Guessed on July 07, 2009, 09:47:29 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

So you never said they could live in space, just that they could live in space?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 09:48:18 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

No, that is what I said. You said it was impossible for them to exist up there.

Ok, then I must correct myself. I meant exist, as in function normally, as in live normally in space.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 09:49:16 AM
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

So you never said they could live in space, just that they could live in space?

lulwhat?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Guessed on July 07, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
Existence implies life. How could they exist there if they can't live there?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 10:11:35 AM
Existence implies life. How could they exist there if they can't live there?

They could just float dead?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 11:09:46 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Firefly_photuris.jpg)

Not these kind of fireflies.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on July 07, 2009, 01:01:28 PM
Existence implies life. How could they exist there if they can't live there?

They could just float dead?

This, they will still be there, just that they won't be alive. A book exists on the table in front of me, but it's not alive.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
Existence implies life. How could they exist there if they can't live there?

They could just float dead?

This, they will still be there, just that they won't be alive. A book exists on the table in front of me, but it's not alive.

Exactly my point as well.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Parsifal on July 07, 2009, 02:37:26 PM
Exactly my point as well.

So that was what you meant by:

Why can't a firefly exist in space?
Because they can't live there.

Was it?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Pongo on July 07, 2009, 02:51:31 PM
New theory. The sun is not a spotlight, but rather a huge colony of fireflies.

That's dumb.  If anything, the sun is composed of glow worms.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Transfixus on July 07, 2009, 02:56:23 PM
Existence implies life. How could they exist there if they can't live there?

They could just float dead?

This, they will still be there, just that they won't be alive. A book exists on the table in front of me, but it's not alive.

Exactly my point as well.


Nice troll.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 07, 2009, 03:04:42 PM
Exactly my point as well.

So that was what you meant by:

Why can't a firefly exist in space?
Because they can't live there.
Was it?

I believe so.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on July 08, 2009, 07:28:47 AM
Exactly my point as well.

So that was what you meant by:

Why can't a firefly exist in space?
Because they can't live there.


Was it?

I believe so.

No, you didn't mean what I said, but as soon as you realized you were out-witted by a retard, you jumped on the bandwagon. Also, fix'd quote fail.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 08, 2009, 07:54:40 AM
Exactly my point as well.

So that was what you meant by:

Why can't a firefly exist in space?
Because they can't live there.


Was it?

I believe so.

No, you didn't mean what I said, but as soon as you realized you were out-witted by a retard, you jumped on the bandwagon. Also, fix'd quote fail.

What I meant was that they can exist in space, like the book on a table example, if some one puts them there, but they can't exist, as in live and do what they normally do.

Now back on topic.
Anyone else want to explain the video i presented?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on July 08, 2009, 08:11:50 AM
Fireflies.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 08, 2009, 08:20:55 AM
Fireflies.

Doesn't look like fireflies to me. Now stop trolling and GTFO!
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on July 08, 2009, 08:24:50 AM
The earth doesn't look round to me. Now stop trolling and GTFO!
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on July 08, 2009, 08:26:14 AM
That video is so easily faked. I mean come on, it's a black screen with some yellow dots flying around on it.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 08, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
That video is so easily faked. I mean come on, it's a black screen with some yellow dots flying around on it.

It's not enough to say that the video is faked. Unless you can prove that the video is faked, your argument is worthless.
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: svenanders on July 08, 2009, 08:34:09 AM
The earth doesn't look round to me. Now stop trolling and GTFO!

The earth shape got nothing to do with this thread. Stop derailing!
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on July 08, 2009, 09:13:24 AM
That video is so easily faked. I mean come on, it's a black screen with some yellow dots flying around on it.

It's not enough to say that the video is faked. Unless you can prove that the video is faked, your argument is worthless.

Can you prove that the video is real?
Title: Re: UFO's
Post by: Soze on July 12, 2009, 10:04:57 PM
No, have you?
Was I making any claims?

They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.

Let me be more precise, since you're pointing out semantics.
There is not enough oxygen in space for a firefly to breath.

It's not semantics...
I asked if you had proof (because you made a claim). In response, you asked if I had any proof. Since I wasn't taking a position, I wasn't obligated to provide proof. I pointed out that I had made no claims. You now tell me it is semantics?