The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Sir_Drainsalot on January 09, 2009, 01:43:54 PM
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I recently watched a documentry about this project (http://blastexperiment.info/index.shtml). One of their launch sites was Antarctica. Interestingly enough they observed 24 hour daylight. Also of interest is the number of people who worked on the project (includes people from non-american universities too). More additions to the conspiracy?
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I saw one NASA logo on the site so therfore the results are fake as well as the launch site
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Lol, one of my physics professors builds the instruments for a variety of these balloon-borne experiments in Antarctica. I'm not sure if he's actually been to Antarctica to verify if they were actually launched though.
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McMurdo Station is a US Government military research base.
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McMurdo Station is a US Government military research base.
And? am I right in saying we can now add these people (http://blastexperiment.info/names.shtml) to the infamous "conspiracy list"?
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And? am I right in saying we can now add these people (http://blastexperiment.info/names.shtml) to the infamous "conspiracy list"?
You're assuming that they'd all be "in on it." The students at those institutions could easily just be studying telemetry data NASA gives them. Or perhaps they're being exploited by acting as unpaid interns for NASA to create props, diagrams, and schematics NASA will never use, but can add to its websites and museum displays.
Besides, a telescope suspended from a balloon sounds like a technology that would be necessary to exist if satellites were impossible.
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And? am I right in saying we can now add these people (http://blastexperiment.info/names.shtml) to the infamous "conspiracy list"?
You're assuming that they'd all be "in on it." The students at those institutions could easily just be studying telemetry data NASA gives them. Or perhaps they're being exploited by acting as unpaid interns for NASA to create props, diagrams, and schematics NASA will never use, but can add to its websites and museum displays.
Besides, a telescope suspended from a balloon sounds like a technology that would be necessary to exist if satellites were impossible.
it is a very cheap alternative to launching a satellite that a many institutions use for an experiment that will not take that long, a long term experiment would require many balloons hence that is why they usually put up the cash to launch it into orbit since the balloon can not stay up for an extended duration
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since the balloon can not stay up for an extended duration
High altitude stratellites stay up for over 14 months at a time without needing in-air or ground maintenance.
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since the balloon can not stay up for an extended duration
High altitude stratellites stay up for over 14 months at a time without needing in-air or ground maintenance.
Not the one they launched
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McMurdo Station is a US Government military research base.
First, I thought only NASA was in on it, not the US military.
Second, the station being military doesn't mean that everyone who visits it is in on the conspiracy.
Third, McMurdo is not a military base. It is supplied by the Military Sealift Command, but the ships are crewed with civilians.
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First, I thought only NASA was in on it, not the US military.
Who do you think started NASA?
Second, the station being military doesn't mean that everyone who visits it is in on the conspiracy.
You don't think that they let just anyone into military bases, do you? Especially if they have something they want to hide?
Third, McMurdo is not a military base.
Actually, it is.
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First, I thought only NASA was in on it, not the US military.
Who do you think started NASA?
Dwight D. Eisenhower and his advisors, after being urged by congress to counter Soviet dominance in the space race.
Also, I thought the FE line was that NASA's beginnings were innocent, and they only started the deception after they realised space travel was impossible.
Second, the station being military doesn't mean that everyone who visits it is in on the conspiracy.
You don't think that they let just anyone into military bases, do you? Especially if they have something they want to hide?
No, these guys were researchers. McMurdo is a research base.
Third, McMurdo is not a military base.
Actually, it is.
Proof?
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You don't think that they let just anyone into military bases, do you? Especially if they have something they want to hide?
You've never been in the military, have you?
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Dwight D. Eisenhower and his advisors, after being urged by congress to counter Soviet dominance in the space race.
So by the military, right, just what I said.
No, these guys were researchers. McMurdo is a research base.
Military research bases are also by invite only.
Proof?
Just look at their website.
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You've never been in the military, have you?
So you think military bases let in just anyone who knocks at the door? :D
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You've never been in the military, have you?
So you think military bases lets in just anyone who knocks at the door? :D
The military bases near me I can drive all over them no problem and I am not in the Military
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And? am I right in saying we can now add these people (http://blastexperiment.info/names.shtml) to the infamous "conspiracy list"?
Besides, a telescope suspended from a balloon sounds like a technology that would be necessary to exist if satellites were impossible.
are you saying the conspiracy accidentally released info to the public about the reality that satellites dont exist? somebody's getting fired.
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And? am I right in saying we can now add these people (http://blastexperiment.info/names.shtml) to the infamous "conspiracy list"?
Besides, a telescope suspended from a balloon sounds like a technology that would be necessary to exist if satellites were impossible.
are you saying the conspiracy accidentally released info to the public about the reality that satellites dont exist? somebody's getting killed.
Fixed
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And? am I right in saying we can now add these people (http://blastexperiment.info/names.shtml) to the infamous "conspiracy list"?
Besides, a telescope suspended from a balloon sounds like a technology that would be necessary to exist if satellites were impossible.
are you saying the conspiracy accidentally released info to the public about the reality that satellites dont exist? somebody's getting killed.
Fixed
youre right, i forgot the top dogs at NASA are ruthless killers
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You've never been in the military, have you?
So you think military bases lets in just anyone who knocks at the door? :D
Classic Fallacy of a False Dilemma
A)Only those in on the Conspiracy can enter McMurdo or any other military base that is used in the Conspiracy
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B)Military Bases let in anyone who knocks on the door.
B is obviously false. And thus A would be true if those were the only two options
A and B are not the only two possible options Tom, as you yourself are well aware as your frequent re-iterating of the fact that many people contributing to the Conspiracy are aware they are doing so, makes clear.
An annoyed
Cinlef
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Dwight D. Eisenhower and his advisors, after being urged by congress to counter Soviet dominance in the space race.
So by the military, right, just what I said.
No, these guys were researchers. McMurdo is a research base.
Military research bases are also by invite only.
Proof?
Just look at their website.
Isn't it a research station?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station
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Isn't it a research station?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station
A military research station.
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Isn't it a research station?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station
A military research station.
I have found no proof that this station is a Military research station. Please provide full details and evidence of your outrageous claim. You are making the claim, you must provide in detail support for this claim. Please come back when you get some, so we may continue this discussion.
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Isn't it a research station?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station
A military scientific research station supported by the military.
Fixed that for you.
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Isn't it a research station?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station
A military research station.
I have found no proof that this station is a Military research station. Please provide full details and evidence of your outrageous claim. You are making the claim, you must provide in detail support for this claim. Please come back when you get some, so we may continue this discussion.
Tom Bishop, I and we are still waiting.
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I have found no proof that this station is a Military research station. Please provide full details and evidence of your outrageous claim. You are making the claim, you must provide in detail support for this claim. Please come back when you get some, so we may continue this discussion.
Tom Bishop, I and we are still waiting.
Here you go:
Reference One: (http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2001/11/08/Campus/Am.Research.Team.Travels.To.Antarctica-516303.shtml)
"McMurdo was built as a research base for the U.S. Navy. Attracting up to 1,200 researchers in the summer, damage to the environment McMurdo is showing, researchers said. Sponsored by a National Science Grant, researchers from A&M have worked to alter the impact of this damage."
Reference Two: (http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:SXNXup5n91UJ:128.125.202.141/pmwiki-2.1.27/pmwiki.php%3Fn%3DMain.LogsJan28th&hl=en&strip=1)
"Hello from McMurdo Station, Antarctica! We are presently at 77o South latitude, the farthest south anyone can travel in the world by ship. We arrived here yesterday after traveling through a channel in the ice, created by icebreakers, like the Nathaniel B. Palmer. McMurdo is home to the United States Antarctic Program and it is the largest such station on the Antarctic continent. During this summer season, it is home to 1100 people. It is also an active military base."
Reference Three: (http://menlocampus.wr.usgs.gov/50years/newspaper/19630722.html)
"With a team of scientists, Brown set out from the main camp at McMurdo Station, a U.S. Navy base, into the white Antarctic mountain range in search of clues to the earth's past formation."
You lose.
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Tom, you still miss a significant point.
The FAQ Says that only NASA know about the conspiracy, no one else (more people would mean less profit individually, right?)
Even if the military started NASA, it does not mean they are in on it.
My Dad "created" me, and he doesn't know everything i'm thinking. NASA lead the conspiracy once they found Space Travel impossible. Why would they tell the military.
Or, better yet, there is no conspiracy. Take your pick, you're wrong either way.
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Tom, you still miss a significant point.
The FAQ Says that only NASA know about the conspiracy, no one else (more people would mean less profit individually, right?)
Since NASA is an organization which was started by the military, and since the military also claims to have satellites and things which can go into orbit such as ICBM's, obviously the military is also connected.
Even if the military started NASA, it does not mean they are in on it.
Actually, it does.
My Dad "created" me, and he doesn't know everything i'm thinking. NASA lead the conspiracy once they found Space Travel impossible. Why would they tell the military.
The military was claiming to send satellites into orbit before they even created NASA. That's why they would be in on any space conspiracy.
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Tom, you still miss a significant point.
The FAQ Says that only NASA know about the conspiracy, no one else (more people would mean less profit individually, right?)
Even if the military started NASA, it does not mean they are in on it.
My Dad "created" me, and he doesn't know everything i'm thinking. NASA lead the conspiracy once they found Space Travel impossible. Why would they tell the military.
Or, better yet, there is no conspiracy. Take your pick, you're wrong either way.
At least some of the military has to know about the conspiracy, a fact which should be plain to anyone with brains.
Hint: Who monitors and controls the GNSS?
"The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a global navigation satellite system (GNSS) developed by the United States Department of Defense and managed by the United States Air Force 50th Space Wing. It is the only fully functional GNSS in the world, can be used freely, and is often used by civilians for navigation purposes. It uses a constellation of between 24 and 32 Medium Earth Orbit satellites that transmit precise microwave signals, which allow GPS receivers to determine their current location, the time, and their velocity."
At least some people in the military have to be in on it.
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Tom, you still miss a significant point.
The FAQ Says that only NASA know about the conspiracy, no one else (more people would mean less profit individually, right?)
Even if the military started NASA, it does not mean they are in on it.
My Dad "created" me, and he doesn't know everything i'm thinking. NASA lead the conspiracy once they found Space Travel impossible. Why would they tell the military.
Or, better yet, there is no conspiracy. Take your pick, you're wrong either way.
At least some of the military has to know about the conspiracy, a fact which should be plain to anyone with brains.
Hint: Who monitors and controls the GNSS?
"The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a global navigation satellite system (GNSS) developed by the United States Department of Defense and managed by the United States Air Force 50th Space Wing. It is the only fully functional GNSS in the world, can be used freely, and is often used by civilians for navigation purposes. It uses a constellation of between 24 and 32 Medium Earth Orbit satellites that transmit precise microwave signals, which allow GPS receivers to determine their current location, the time, and their velocity."
At least some people in the military have to be in on it.
This is aimed at Tom Bishop too.
Why then, was NASA created? if the military knew of this Flat Earth before NASA, then the government wouldn't have had anything to lose by just telling the people that the Earth is flat. If NASA found out the fact, the ok, NASA wants to keep it's funding and therefore make up these lies. If the military found out, they'd tell the government (it's Treason not too) and the government would have instead created the National Institute of Finding out What the Hell is Under This Disc/Rock/Thing (Or NIFWHUTSRT for short).
This alternative organisation could still gain money and funds to research things that FET doesn't know, for instance, what's under the rock, what keeps us stationed, what gravity is, how big the sun is. Etc etc etc.
FET sucks, you have to keep adapting your auxillary hypotheses just to perpetuate this claim that the Earth is flat. The problem is, you bring in these ad hoc changes far too much and it just lowers any original claim you make to beyond ridiculous. This is exactly why the paradigm died centuries ago.
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Why then, was NASA created? if the military knew of this Flat Earth before NASA, then the government wouldn't have had anything to lose by just telling the people that the Earth is flat. If NASA found out the fact, the ok, NASA wants to keep it's funding and therefore make up these lies. If the military found out, they'd tell the government (it's Treason not too) and the government would have instead created the National Institute of Finding out What the Hell is Under This Disc/Rock/Thing (Or NIFWHUTSRT for short).
Why would the military want to tell anyone that the earth was flat and that earth orbit really didn't exist? That would mean that all their long range ICBM's were a lie.
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Why then, was NASA created? if the military knew of this Flat Earth before NASA, then the government wouldn't have had anything to lose by just telling the people that the Earth is flat. If NASA found out the fact, the ok, NASA wants to keep it's funding and therefore make up these lies. If the military found out, they'd tell the government (it's Treason not too) and the government would have instead created the National Institute of Finding out What the Hell is Under This Disc/Rock/Thing (Or NIFWHUTSRT for short).
Why would the military want to tell anyone that the earth was flat and that earth orbit really didn't exist? That would mean that all their long range ICBM's were a lie.
And why would they want to do that? ICBMs were invented for use against Russia in the cold war, but according to FE'ers the RSA is in on the conspiracy, so there's not point trying to convince the Ruskies that the world is round, they know it isn't.
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And why would they want to do that? ICBMs were invented for use against Russia in the cold war, but according to FE'ers the RSA is in on the conspiracy, so there's not point trying to convince the Ruskies that the world is round, they know it isn't.
Russia was also faking the existence of their ICBM's.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19981118/ai_n14192997
Moscow paraded dummy missiles
MANY OF the huge strategic missiles displayed in Red Square parades during the Soviet era were only dummies, but they scared the West into an expensive response, a Russian magazine reported yesterday.
One such fake, GR-1, an acronym for Global Missile, showed during a parade in 1965, prompted the United States to build an anti- missile defence system worth billions of dollars, said the weekly Vlast (Power). In fact, the Soviets had abandoned the GR-1 project long before the parade.
Another two mobile ballistic missiles shown in the same parade were also fakes, their test launches having been a failure, the magazine said. "Foreign military attaches were scared to death, triggering panic in Nato headquarters," it said. "A huge international uproar followed, and only those who prepared this demonstration knew they were dummies." One of the authors of the Vlast report worked as a missile engineer and said he had worked on a support system for one of the fake missiles to prevent it from bouncing on the stone-paved Red Square in Moscow. The magazine said the Soviet leader Nikita Krushchev first bluffed the West with the legend of powerful Russian missiles, saying the Soviet Union was making them "like sausage". "Such comparison sounded ambiguous for the Soviet people, because the sausage was in deficit, but it duly impressed foreigners," it said. At the time of Krushchev's comment, the Soviets had only four intercontinental ballistic missiles on duty, while the United States had 60. "The myth about the Soviet missile superiority was convenient for both the Soviet leadership and the American military industrial complex, which was getting huge contracts," the magazine said.
Another article on the subject:
http://www.cdi.org/russia/may1499.html#6
There's also a book about their dummy missiles:
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/91/fa/aa98923f8da0ee2a8d0aa010._AA240_.L.jpg)
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You haven't really answered my question Tom. You've cited an article saying some (but not all) of the missiles on parade were fake. This doesn't explain the US or Soviet military's motivation for taking part in the round earth hoax.
Why the lie, if the other side knew anyway?
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You haven't really answered my question Tom. You've cited an article saying some (but not all) of the missiles on parade were fake. This doesn't explain the US or Soviet military's motivation for taking part in the round earth hoax.
Actually the sources said that most of the missiles were shown to be fakes.
What makes you think that the four missiles in the silos weren't fakes as well?
Why the lie, if the other side knew anyway?
Military-Industrial Complex.
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You've never been in the military, have you?
So you think military bases lets in just anyone who knocks at the door? :D
The military bases near me I can drive all over them no problem and I am not in the Military
I want video proof of you walking in... Otherwise there is no precedent for your outlandish claims.
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You haven't really answered my question Tom. You've cited an article saying some (but not all) of the missiles on parade were fake. This doesn't explain the US or Soviet military's motivation for taking part in the round earth hoax.
Actually it said that most of the missiles were fakes.
What makes you think that the four missiles in the silos weren't fakes as well?
What makes you think they were?
Why the lie, if the other side knew anyway?
Military-Industrial Complex.
What does this mean? Please explain more fully.
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What makes you think they were?
Since many were demonstrated to be fakes, it's likely that they all were.
What does this mean? Please explain more fully.
It means that the Cold War was an arms race which directly profited the massively powerful military-industrial complex which received trillions of dollars to research, develop, and deploy ICBM's, anti-ICBM, and related Star Wars space technologies.
If the earth were not a globe these technologies could not exist and the United States would have never grown into the untouchable super power that it became after World War II. That's why the shape of the world is hidden. The source of power of America and her allies depends on it.
The Conspiracy benefits many people. It made the space and military contractors exorbitantly rich since they didn't really need to design and build ICBM's and related space technologies, and it made America invincible since it could passively threaten enemies into submission and wield its power and influence to compel foreign countries into adopting pro-American policies and replacing their gold reserves with dollars.
America is such a bloated hog of power and control that today there really are no other governments. There is only one government: the American Government. The US controls the UN, NATO, and global economies like puppets. It has the greatest military on the face of this earth, and its CIA actively chooses the leaders of other countries. No other government can hold a candle to the might of the United States Government. They are fleas on an elephant's back.
Thanks to the Cold War boom and the protection of ICBM's the power and influence of the United States has steadily grown and grown. The United States military is now so incredibly powerful that it's not even a defensive military. It's an offensive military. US NAVY battleships are constantly circling the coasts of foreign nations and actively policing world affairs. The US has no significant presence at home. Its bases are out there within the boarders of other countries.
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What makes you think they were?
Since many were demonstrated to be fakes, it's likely that they all were.
And of course the US Military would assume that because some of the missiles were fake, they all must be. Because that's what they do, hope for the best. Even when they had slight cause to maybe possibly assume Iraq had nuclear weapons, they didn't invade and spend years looking for them; they said "Oh, it's only a slight possibility, so let's just leave it."
If you can't detect the sarcasm: You're a fool, the US policy never runs of probability if there's the slightest chance of it harming the USA, they will take action.
and another thing: If the Soviets are in on the hoax, and they are not in on NASA and make little money from their space programme these days, why have they not embarrassed the western world and told everyone the Earth is flat? Surely that would have been a brilliant cold war weapon? Never saw it though hmmm. Weird that.
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It means that the Cold War was an arms race which directly profited the massively powerful military-industrial complex which received trillions of dollars to research, develop, and deploy ICBM's, anti-ICBM, and related Star Wars space technologies.
If the earth were not a globe these technologies could not exist and the United States would have never grown into the untouchable super power that it became after World War II. That's why the shape of the world is hidden. The source of power of America and her allies depends on it.
The Conspiracy benefits many people. It made the space and military contractors exorbitantly rich since they didn't really need to design and build ICBM's and related space technologies, and it made America invincible since it could passively threaten enemies into submission and wield its power and influence to compel foreign countries into adopting pro-American policies and replacing their gold reserves with dollars.
America is such a bloated hog of power and control that today there really are no other governments. There is only one government: the American Government. The US controls the UN, NATO, and global economies like puppets. It has the greatest military on the face of this earth, and its CIA actively chooses the leaders of other countries. No other government can hold a candle to the might of the United States Government. They are fleas on an elephant's back.
Thanks to the Cold War boom and the protection of ICBM's the power and influence of the United States has steadily grown and grown. The United States military is now so incredibly powerful that it's not even a defensive military. It's an offensive military. US NAVY battleships are constantly circling the coasts of foreign nations and actively policing world affairs. The US has no significant presence at home. Its bases are out there within the boarders of other countries.
Oh - my - God!
You, sir, are delusional. Not to say highly paranoid.
On top of that: you would be a dreadful strategist in any army. Threatening the world with weapons you don't have, based on a completely invented theory? How could you possibly think that would work?
Never mind the fact that the USA is not the only country that possesses nuclear weapons. How does that work then? They were and are threatening each other with weapons which they all know they don't have? The Cuban Crisis was just a charade?
If the Earth were really flat, wouldn't it be far more effective to develop inter-continental weapons that can actually be used on a flat earth?
Oh well, I've really seen it all in here now. You called my posts "mumbling" and "prattle", but what you just rattled is just so absurd that it effectly tells us what your way of thinking / reasoning really is AND that it is completely useless to argue with you in any way whatsoever.
You keep musing and raving about your delusions. I'm out of here. For good.
P.S.: Your oppinion on the geopolitics in the present-day world seriously needs an update too. You seem to be stuck somewhere in the Cold War, or the nineties at maximum, when the USA was indeed the only superpower in the world (economicly and polticly speaking the SU has never really been a match). But the world is changing... believe me, I know. It's in my field of research as a historian.
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it made America invincible since it could passively threaten enemies into submission and wield its power and influence to compel foreign countries into adopting pro-American policies and replacing their gold reserves with dollars.
No, because other countries apparently know the shape of the Earth (other countries have space agencies too), so they wouldn't be threatened by ICBMs. Also, the US was not the only country to have them.
America is such a bloated hog of power and control that today there really are no other governments. There is only one government: the American Government. The US controls the UN, NATO, and global economies like puppets. It has the greatest military on the face of this earth, and its CIA actively chooses the leaders of other countries.
Which is, of course, why Ahmadinejad is still in power.
No other government can hold a candle to the might of the United States Government. They are fleas on an elephant's back.
Spoken like a true American! It's nonsense, of course. The Eurozone has a greater population and GDP, so the EU (ok, it's not a rue government) at least rivals the US government in influence.
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The supposed military omnipotence of the West has been shown to be the paper tiger it was occasionally suspected of being in recent years - the concentration of force and doctrine is solely focussed on waging war against states and other uniformed opponents, since the hands of the militaries are tied by conventions and laws designed to protect the very people they would need to kill in order to win. This was proven in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan in the Cold War and WW2, and in the latter two it's being proven all over again. Superpowers with their trillion dollar arsenals of nuclear and conventional weaponry cannot defeat an army of peasant farmers and fanatical religious murderers without using overwhelming force and causing the deaths of many, many civilians. One can then quite legitimately ask, is that even a victory? I'm not saying we, as 'the West' were wrong to go in to the Middle East, but we were sorely unprepared for the nightmare we were to unleash. It will be 50 years before we can claim true victory there.
If you think that the US could 'conquer the world' if only it wanted to, you are utterly wrong. As has been said already, the EU is a more economically robust and populous entity than the USA (even if it is a bit nebulous and cobbled together at present, but it's not been around that long, in fairness). China and India will likely overtake the USA economically through the 21st Century due to sheer manpower, and with the military power that money can buy they would not be the 'pushovers' that some might think them to be. The only thing that perpetuates the dominance of the USA is it's economy, which has been shown to be just as fragile as anyone elses, and it's ageing nuclear arsenal which is likely less reliable than that of new nuclear powers such as India and Pakistan, and the West's 'allies' in Israel.
I would put good money on NATO being incapable of waging a successful war against even a medium-sized opponent such as Iran in the current climate. If you want to control such populations the only way to do so with the limited manpower available is the British strategy that was successfully employed in the region previously - 'air control'. This essentially means that you saturation-bomb any civilians that give you trouble, as an example to the rest. Can you honestly see any Western power adopting this tactic? The world has changed, so while states may rank themselves into some form of military hierarchy, no one state has the capacity to rule the world by force.