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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Marcus Aurelius on November 01, 2008, 07:33:21 AM

Title: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 01, 2008, 07:33:21 AM
Lets review all the theories of Dark Energy and it's properties as it works on Flat earth.  Below is what I have gathered from reading through the forum.  Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong on anything, and to add anything that I have missed.
Dark Energy gets its name from ignorance of its source.  Nobody knows where it comes from, nor can we detect it, we only know its effect, it is a mystery therefore we call it Dark Energy.  This is even true for Dark Energy in the RE model, where it is used to explain why the expansion of the Universe appears to be Accelerating.  However the effects of DE on the round earth differs from DE on the flat earth.  Below are the effects of DE on the Flat earth.



Properties of Dark Energy:

-Dark Energy Accelerates the Earth at 1g, simulating the effect of Gravitation on the RE.  DE also accelerates the Sun, Moon and stars in the same way.
-Dark Energy Bends light upwards toward the heavens, simulating the sinking ship and setting sun phenomenon.
-Dark Energy holds the earth together at its edges, allowing the earth to remain in a disk shape and not be pulled apart.
-Dark Energy prevents rocks from breaking away on the underside of the FE.  Mostly because they will just be accelerated along with everything else.
-Dark Energy field prevents spacecraft from exiting the earths atmosphere and visiting the moon, making any space flight impossible. (not believed by everyone, but I thought it should be mentioned)
-Dark Energy field prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

This one is out there, but somebody said it:

-Dark Energy accelerates ships and planes faster than normal in the southern hemisphere, creating the illusion that the distances in the southern hemisphere are shorter then they are in reality.  This would explain why circumnavigating the earth in the southern hemisphere does not appear to cover a greater distance than circumnavigation at the equator or northern hemisphere.

Questions? Thoughts? Poodles?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 01, 2008, 08:26:24 AM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 01, 2008, 09:51:29 AM
I added the effect of Dark Energy preventing the atmosphere from escaping into outer space.  Anything else I should add or change?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 01, 2008, 09:58:47 AM
Bow shock happens when an object is traveling through a medium such as a fluid or gas.  The picture shown indicates Dark energy in blue.  Is it your theory that Dark Energy is some sort of medium?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: ghazwozza on November 01, 2008, 11:39:25 AM
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This is similar to the formation of a bow shock.

So DE responds to magnetic fields?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: markjo on November 01, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
Why is it that the DEF keep objects less massive than the atmosphere from escaping, yet it lets objects far less massive than the atmosphere in just fine?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 02, 2008, 12:40:36 PM
Bow shock happens when an object is traveling through a medium such as a fluid or gas.  The picture shown indicates Dark energy in blue.  Is it your theory that Dark Energy is some sort of medium?

Bump for answer
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: markjo on November 02, 2008, 07:50:49 PM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

So Jack, you don't have any evidence to support your claim about the DEF existing other than the atmosphere not leaking out (which would be true if the earth were round anyway)?  Does that sound about right?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 02, 2008, 08:14:58 PM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

So Jack, you don't have any evidence to support your claim about the DEF existing other than the atmosphere not leaking out (which would be true if the earth were round anyway)?  Does that sound about right?

You see though, it's reasonable if you first assume the earth is flat.  The proof of that (of course) is based on other observations. 
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 03, 2008, 04:11:52 AM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

So Jack, you don't have any evidence to support your claim about the DEF existing other than the atmosphere not leaking out (which would be true if the earth were round anyway)?  Does that sound about right?

You see though, it's reasonable if you first assume the earth is flat.  The proof of that (of course) is based on other observations. 


Do you assume the earth is flat because of ENAG?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 03, 2008, 05:07:05 AM
If I am reading his diagram right, I think DEF is the "outer" ice wall.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 03, 2008, 11:57:35 AM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

So Jack, you don't have any evidence to support your claim about the DEF existing other than the atmosphere not leaking out (which would be true if the earth were round anyway)?  Does that sound about right?

You see though, it's reasonable if you first assume the earth is flat.  The proof of that (of course) is based on other observations. 


Do you assume the earth is flat because of ENAG?

I assume the earth is flat because of the full body of scientific literature compiled over the last century and a half by the Flat Earth Society that proves the earth is flat.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: markjo on November 03, 2008, 12:04:05 PM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

So Jack, you don't have any evidence to support your claim about the DEF existing other than the atmosphere not leaking out (which would be true if the earth were round anyway)?  Does that sound about right?

You see though, it's reasonable if you first assume the earth is flat.  The proof of that (of course) is based on other observations. 


Do you assume the earth is flat because of ENAG?

I assume the earth is flat because of the full body of scientific literature compiled over the last century and a half by the Flat Earth Society that proves the earth is flat.

Even though most of that "scientific literature" compiled over the last century and a half by the Flat Earth Society is demonstrably wrong?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 03, 2008, 12:12:37 PM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

So Jack, you don't have any evidence to support your claim about the DEF existing other than the atmosphere not leaking out (which would be true if the earth were round anyway)?  Does that sound about right?

You see though, it's reasonable if you first assume the earth is flat.  The proof of that (of course) is based on other observations. 


Do you assume the earth is flat because of ENAG?

I assume the earth is flat because of the full body of scientific literature compiled over the last century and a half by the Flat Earth Society that proves the earth is flat.

Even though most of that "scientific literature" compiled over the last century and a half by the Flat Earth Society is demonstrably wrong?

You say "potayto", I say "potahto".
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: markjo on November 03, 2008, 01:00:16 PM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

So Jack, you don't have any evidence to support your claim about the DEF existing other than the atmosphere not leaking out (which would be true if the earth were round anyway)?  Does that sound about right?

You see though, it's reasonable if you first assume the earth is flat.  The proof of that (of course) is based on other observations. 


Do you assume the earth is flat because of ENAG?

I assume the earth is flat because of the full body of scientific literature compiled over the last century and a half by the Flat Earth Society that proves the earth is flat.

Even though most of that "scientific literature" compiled over the last century and a half by the Flat Earth Society is demonstrably wrong?

You say "potayto", I say "potahto".

You say "right", I say "wrong".  Let's call the whole thing off.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 04, 2008, 10:46:46 AM
Since the FE does not exert its own gravitational field (some other models do, but this is based on the general model), I could not think of any other way to prevent the atmolayer from diffusing into the outer space.

So Jack, you don't have any evidence to support your claim about the DEF existing other than the atmosphere not leaking out (which would be true if the earth were round anyway)?  Does that sound about right?

You see though, it's reasonable if you first assume the earth is flat.  The proof of that (of course) is based on other observations. 


Do you assume the earth is flat because of ENAG?

I assume the earth is flat because of the full body of scientific literature compiled over the last century and a half by the Flat Earth Society that proves the earth is flat.

That is your choice of course  :).  You can believe what you want, however, I do not think you could ever come to a logical conclusion unless you consider all the evidence before you.  FE only looks at a very narrow viewpoint, and ignores any other evidence that contradicts it.  Even Rowbatham appears to believe that.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 05, 2008, 06:38:59 AM
Bow shock happens when an object is traveling through a medium such as a fluid or gas.  The picture shown indicates Dark energy in blue.  Is it your theory that Dark Energy is some sort of medium?

bump again for answer.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: markjo on November 05, 2008, 11:20:10 AM
Bow shock happens when an object is traveling through a medium such as a fluid or gas.  The picture shown indicates Dark energy in blue.  Is it your theory that Dark Energy is some sort of medium?

bump again for answer.

Jack admitted in another thread that the DEF is not actually a bow shock, it only resembles one.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: markjo on November 06, 2008, 05:28:06 AM
Jack admitted in another thread that the DEF is not actually a bow shock, it only resembles one.

Which is pretty vague.  ::) If only all science could be qualified by "things that look like other things".

He's using the zetetic philosophy of "I don't have any evidence other than the fact that the atmoplane doesn't leak out so there must be a DEF to hold it in."
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 06, 2008, 07:16:22 AM
That is actually a contradiction to Zetetic philosophy.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: markjo on November 06, 2008, 08:31:30 AM
Don't tell me that I missed the sarcasm tag again.   ::)
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: zeroply on November 07, 2008, 01:56:01 AM
Jack admitted in another thread that the DEF is not actually a bow shock, it only resembles one.

Which is pretty vague.  ::) If only all science could be qualified by "things that look like other things".

Why is it vague?

Just because something is geometrically similar to something else doesn't mean they are the same. If you want to talk about bow shock, go ahead, no one on this side of the table brought it up and so we're kind of missing the relevance.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 07, 2008, 02:18:32 AM
Maybe I was unclear, but it is now justified that the DEF is not a bow shock; rather, the DEF is formed in a fashion similar to the formation of a real bow shock. As the name implies, DEF is a shield due to dark energy.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 07, 2008, 02:29:06 AM
Right, an energy field that behaves as a shield, because it shields us from the effects of DE.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 07, 2008, 03:17:38 AM
But even this is a misnomer. You don't define something as a field because something else (which is a bit like a field to be honest) isn't there.
It is an energy field, and it behaves like a shield. Get it?

It's like calling anywhere that isn't in sunlight the "photon field".
:-\
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 07, 2008, 03:39:57 AM
No, I found your analogy quite nonsensical.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 07, 2008, 03:43:23 AM
It is an energy field, and it behaves like a shield. Get it?

Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 07, 2008, 04:09:19 AM
Right, an energy field that behaves as a shield, because it shields us from the effects of DE.

So the shield keeps DE out of the atmosphere?  It must get in somehow, if it is able to bend light within our atmosphere.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 07, 2008, 05:02:47 AM
Right, an energy field that behaves as a shield, because it shields us from the effects of DE.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: markjo on November 07, 2008, 05:45:30 AM
Right, an energy field that behaves as a shield, because it shields us from the effects of DE.

So you are saying that the DEF is shield made out of dark energy that protects us from the very dark energy that the DEF is made of?  Or is the DEF made of something else that protects us from DE?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 07, 2008, 05:51:02 AM
So the shield keeps DE out of the atmosphere?  It must get in somehow, if it is able to bend light within our atmosphere.
Things can still get in from outer space. For example, meteorites.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 07, 2008, 05:51:40 AM
So you are saying that the DEF is shield made out of dark energy that protects us from the very dark energy that the DEF is made of?  Or is the DEF made of something else that protects us from DE?
Yes, the DEF is made of dark energy.
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on November 07, 2008, 06:47:16 AM
Does it have mass?
Title: Re: Properties of Dark Energy on FE
Post by: Jack on November 07, 2008, 07:12:04 AM
DE is a form of energy. Like photons, it can be associated with a relativistic mass; however, that doesn't mean it actually has mass.