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Title: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 07, 2008, 11:15:09 PM
 When you interview for a job, here is a hint: make sure you know what the job is. Joe Biden failed that test last Thursday. He couldn’t even get right what a vice president does, but the media didn’t notice.

The media is all over itself about how smart and experienced Biden is. Political analyst Charlie Cook is quoted in the Washington Post on Saturday as saying “Biden is clearly so much more knowledgeable, by a factor of about a million.” Saturday Night Live does a skit about Biden being smart, if slimy. Meanwhile, Governor Sarah Palin is treated as being nothing more than a simpleton.

Yet, take Biden’s statement from the debate on the role of the vice president:

Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.

And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.

The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive, and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.


One should be careful when throwing around terms such as “most dangerous” and “bizarre.” But Biden is confusing which part of the Constitution covers the Executive Branch (it is Article II, not Article I). More importantly, the notion that the vice president can preside over the Senate only when there is a tie vote is simply wrong. Nor is it true that the only legislative involvement the vice president has is to break tie votes. The vice president is the president of the Senate, where he interprets the rules and can only be overridden by a vote of 60 senators.

Early vice presidents spent a lot of time in the Senate. Thomas Jefferson even spent his time writing “A Manual of Parliamentary Practice: for the Use of the Senate of the United States.” Modern vice presidents may show up only when they think tie votes will occur, but that is their choice.

This isn’t rocket science. The Constitution on this point is very straightforward: “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.”

Instead, it was Palin who got it right. Besides correctly stating that the vice president holds positions in both the executive and legislative branches, she also noted that:

Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also. I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chooses to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 07:44:13 AM
tl;dr
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 08, 2008, 08:46:07 AM
Wow. That was some amazing journalism their Wardawg. Did you realize Palin answered no question and read from a script? No? Yeah... she is a genius. Also, BIDEN IS HAWT!


Vote Theonlydann for true reform.

Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Robbyj on October 08, 2008, 08:48:09 AM
Wow. That was some amazing journalism their Wardawg. Did you realize Palin answered no question and read from a script? No? Yeah... she is a genius. Also, BIDEN IS HAWT!

Did you see the Colbert Report after that?  Epic.

Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 08, 2008, 08:51:47 AM
Wow. That was some amazing journalism their Wardawg. Did you realize Palin answered no question and read from a script? No? Yeah... she is a genius. Also, BIDEN IS HAWT!

Did you see the Colbert Report after that?  Epic.


I did. Which just proves my point. Biden is HAWT.

Also, when Palin went off script she sounded like a moron.

Also, I am pretty.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Trekky0623 on October 08, 2008, 08:55:02 AM
Palin's worse than Biden, hands down.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 08, 2008, 08:55:49 AM
Where the hell is Spiro Agnew when you really need him?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 08, 2008, 09:47:27 AM
Also, when Palin went off script she sounded like a moron.


That's because she is a moron.  She is a pentacost, meaning she chooses to align herself with a sect of Christianity that believes in faith healing and speaking in tounges.  She has stated on numerous occasions that her position as Governor of Alaska provided her with foreign policy experience.  She actually seems to believe that she has been chosen based on her qualifications.

Well, I guess, once you accept that her qualifications include having a vagina (to steal votes from racist democrats in liu of Billary II) and being more stupid than the average American, she was chosen based on her qualifications.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 09:49:31 AM
Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 08, 2008, 09:51:38 AM
Dick Cheney is dangerous....
I didn't read the rest.  But I agree with that.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Trekky0623 on October 08, 2008, 09:55:10 AM
Cool, Biden got something wrong.  That doesn't change the fact that Palin is much worse.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 08, 2008, 10:00:52 AM
Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?

I hate putting labels on everything.  It's really dumb to say "I'm a Republican" these days.  The only reason anyone is a "republican" anymore is because it's what's popular.  Republicans don't act like Republicans and Democrats don't act like Democrats.  None of them stand for anything but idiocy.  Fuck all of them.  I'm not voting on someone because they won a fucking popularity contest.  I'm voting on the man/woman with the ideals I can agree with.  Not a single person who ran this year seemed to bring anything new to the table.  Just the same old shit with a different name printed on it and big bold letters underneath that say something ridiculous like "its time for change".  The only man I thought worth putting through was Ron Paul and unfortunatly he wasn't popular enough.  Oh well...independent party it is.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 08, 2008, 10:02:56 AM
I am probably going to be writing myself in again this year. Anyone care to begin my viral campaign across the interwebs?


Also... Left wing my balls bizznatch. Palin is a moron. :-)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 08, 2008, 10:19:40 AM
And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also.

Did she even graduate from high school?

Sorry WarDogg.. I read the entire post, and still think Biden has a lot more going for him in the smarts department.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 08, 2008, 10:25:45 AM
And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also.

Did she even graduate from high school?

Sorry WarDogg.. I read the entire post, and still think Biden has a lot more going for him in the smarts department.
LEFTIST!
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Wendy on October 08, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
Thread was tl;dr.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 08, 2008, 10:49:07 AM
Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?

Yes, I read his post, so he needs a civics lesson.  So what?  Do you really think that it makes any kind of difference?

Look what you've got in our lovely, BS two party system is two puppets.  One puppet blathers on in a way that pleases a bunch of idiots that call themselves Republicans.  The other puppet spews nonsense that pleases a bunch of morons calling themselves Democrats.  There's one guy with a hand up the ass of each puppet, laughing at the idiots who think there's a difference!

We live in a plutocracy, pure and simple.  The PACs and Lobby groups tell congress which laws to pass to help continue the rape of the people in general.  This is how it has been since shortly after government was invented and politicians realized that most people are stupid and easily manipulated.

It matters very little, our supposed capitalist representational replublic is being converted into a socialist theocracy as we speak.  Don't you get it?  Machiavelli was pulling his punches, and things haven't changed an iota since.  Our government system is an illusion.  I would have thought that more people here, of all places, would realize this.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 08, 2008, 10:50:20 AM
Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?

Yes, I read his post, so he needs a civics lesson.  So what?  Do you really think that it makes any kind of difference?

Look what you've got in our lovely, BS two party system is two puppets.  One puppet blathers on in a way that pleases a bunch of idiots that call themselves Republicans.  The other puppet spews nonsense that pleases a bunch of morons calling themselves Democrats.  There's one guy with a hand up the ass of each puppet, laughing at the idiots who think there's a difference!

We live in a plutocracy, pure and simple.  The PACs and Lobby groups tell congress which laws to pass to help continue the rape of the people in general.  This is how it has been since shortly after government was invented and politicians realized that most people are stupid and easily manipulated.

It matters very little, our supposed capitalist representational replublic is being converted into a socialist theocracy as we speak.  Don't you get it?  Machiavelli was pulling his punches, and things haven't changed an iota since.  Our government system is an illusion.  I would have thought that more people here, of all places, would realize this.

QFT
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on October 08, 2008, 11:51:22 AM
Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?

Yes, I read his post, so he needs a civics lesson.  So what?  Do you really think that it makes any kind of difference?

Look what you've got in our lovely, BS two party system is two puppets.  One puppet blathers on in a way that pleases a bunch of idiots that call themselves Republicans.  The other puppet spews nonsense that pleases a bunch of morons calling themselves Democrats.  There's one guy with a hand up the ass of each puppet, laughing at the idiots who think there's a difference!

We live in a plutocracy, pure and simple.  The PACs and Lobby groups tell congress which laws to pass to help continue the rape of the people in general.  This is how it has been since shortly after government was invented and politicians realized that most people are stupid and easily manipulated.

It matters very little, our supposed capitalist representational replublic is being converted into a socialist theocracy as we speak.  Don't you get it?  Machiavelli was pulling his punches, and things haven't changed an iota since.  Our government system is an illusion.  I would have thought that more people here, of all places, would realize this.

QFT
QFT2
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 08, 2008, 11:59:07 AM
Joe Biden is occasionally goofball stupid.  The public would love him as president, like Gerald Ford or GW Bush (the first time around, anyway).

Sarah Palin is dangerous stupid.  I mean, scary stupid.  The fact that she is an election and a heart attack away from being president is fucking terrifying.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 08, 2008, 12:07:49 PM

Sarah Palin is dangerous stupid.  I mean, scary stupid.  The fact that she is an election and a heart attack away from being president is fucking terrifying.
QFT
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 12:31:36 PM
Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?

I hate putting labels on everything.  It's really dumb to say "I'm a Republican" these days.  The only reason anyone is a "republican" anymore is because it's what's popular.  Republicans don't act like Republicans and Democrats don't act like Democrats.  None of them stand for anything but idiocy.  Fuck all of them.  I'm not voting on someone because they won a fucking popularity contest.  I'm voting on the man/woman with the ideals I can agree with.  Not a single person who ran this year seemed to bring anything new to the table.  Just the same old shit with a different name printed on it and big bold letters underneath that say something ridiculous like "its time for change".  The only man I thought worth putting through was Ron Paul and unfortunatly he wasn't popular enough.  Oh well...independent party it is.

I absolutely agree with you.  I am not a republican.  I am a traditionalist.

Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?

Yes, I read his post, so he needs a civics lesson.  So what?  Do you really think that it makes any kind of difference?


The funny thing is you say this, and then in the same breath call Palin an idiot.  I'm not sure, but I think a facepalm.jpg might be appropriate here.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Trekky0623 on October 08, 2008, 12:41:56 PM
She is an idiot.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 08, 2008, 12:43:43 PM
I absolutely agree with you.  I am not a republican.  I am a traditionalist.

What exactly is that.  You want to keep doing the same thing everytime even if it doesn't work?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 08, 2008, 12:44:03 PM
Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?

I hate putting labels on everything.  It's really dumb to say "I'm a Republican" these days.  The only reason anyone is a "republican" anymore is because it's what's popular.  Republicans don't act like Republicans and Democrats don't act like Democrats.  None of them stand for anything but idiocy.  Fuck all of them.  I'm not voting on someone because they won a fucking popularity contest.  I'm voting on the man/woman with the ideals I can agree with.  Not a single person who ran this year seemed to bring anything new to the table.  Just the same old shit with a different name printed on it and big bold letters underneath that say something ridiculous like "its time for change".  The only man I thought worth putting through was Ron Paul and unfortunatly he wasn't popular enough.  Oh well...independent party it is.

I absolutely agree with you.  I am not a republican.  I am a traditionalist.

Did any of you actually read his quote?  Or are you blind just like the rest of the left wing media?

Yes, I read his post, so he needs a civics lesson.  So what?  Do you really think that it makes any kind of difference?


The funny thing is you say this, and then in the same breath call Palin an idiot.  I'm not sure, but I think a facepalm.jpg might be appropriate here.
Regardless of his answer to the question, which of them would be better suited to do the job. I will give you a hint... he is a man.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on October 08, 2008, 12:44:34 PM
The funny thing is you say this, and then in the same breath call Palin an idiot.  I'm not sure, but I think a facepalm.jpg might be appropriate here.
what hes saying is that yes biden screwed up but hes not as stupid as palin
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Robbyj on October 08, 2008, 12:44:42 PM

Sarah Palin is dangerous stupid.  I mean, scary stupid.  The fact that she is an election and a heart attack away from being president is fucking terrifying.
QFT

QFT again for emphasis.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on October 08, 2008, 12:48:09 PM

Sarah Palin is dangerous stupid.  I mean, scary stupid.  The fact that she is an election and a heart attack away from being president is fucking terrifying.
QFT

QFT again for emphasis.
QFT3
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 08, 2008, 01:40:22 PM

Sarah Palin is dangerous stupid.  I mean, scary stupid.  The fact that she is an election and a heart attack away from being president is fucking terrifying.
QFT

QFT again for emphasis.
QFT3

QFT infinity.

Seriously, if they get elected, and he dies, I will have to expatriate.  Immediately.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on October 08, 2008, 01:49:45 PM

Sarah Palin is dangerous stupid.  I mean, scary stupid.  The fact that she is an election and a heart attack away from being president is fucking terrifying.
QFT

QFT again for emphasis.
QFT3

QFT infinity.

Seriously, if they get elected, and he dies, I will have to expatriate.  Immediately.
ya i have money stored in the bank so i can leave the country at once
i have a emigration plan
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Saddam Hussein on October 08, 2008, 02:48:11 PM
The funny thing is you say this, and then in the same breath call Palin an idiot.  I'm not sure, but I think a facepalm.jpg might be appropriate here.
what hes saying is that yes biden screwed up but hes not as stupid as palin

So?  Everyone makes mistakes.  None of this changes the fact that Palin is a idiot.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on October 08, 2008, 04:56:09 PM
The funny thing is you say this, and then in the same breath call Palin an idiot.  I'm not sure, but I think a facepalm.jpg might be appropriate here.
what hes saying is that yes biden screwed up but hes not as stupid as palin

So?  Everyone makes mistakes.  None of this changes the fact that Palin is a idiot.
exactly wut i said
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 08, 2008, 04:59:26 PM
Why won't McCain's campaign allow Palin to be interviewed?  I think that is the most damning evidence there is.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on October 08, 2008, 05:03:45 PM
Why won't McCain's campaign allow Palin to be interviewed?  I think that is the most damning evidence there is.
because his campaign would be worse off if she gives an interview
the only ppl that think shes smart are those god damned hawkey*alaska accent* moms
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 08, 2008, 05:10:25 PM
Why won't McCain's campaign allow Palin to be interviewed?  I think that is the most damning evidence there is.
because his campaign would be worse off if she gives an interview
the only ppl that think shes smart are those god damned hawkey*alaska accent* moms

It was a rhetorical question. 
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 05:45:24 PM
The funny thing is you say this, and then in the same breath call Palin an idiot.  I'm not sure, but I think a facepalm.jpg might be appropriate here.
what hes saying is that yes biden screwed up but hes not as stupid as palin

So?  Everyone makes mistakes.  None of this changes the fact that Palin is a idiot.

So is Biden.  Just as bad.  Yet no one sacrifices him.


I absolutely agree with you.  I am not a republican.  I am a traditionalist.

What exactly is that.  You want to keep doing the same thing everytime even if it doesn't work?

Do you hate America?  Do you hate the morals and traditions that America was founded on?  What part of America is not working at the moment?

I do not.  Which is why I consider myself a traditionalist.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 05:53:29 PM
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Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Trekky0623 on October 08, 2008, 05:59:16 PM
So is Biden.  Just as bad.  Yet no one sacrifices him.

I don't think that's true.  Palin is much less experienced than Biden.  Sure, Biden made a mistake, a pretty stupid one.  However, Palin's mistakes are much funnier and stupid.

- Citing her proximity to Russia as foreign policy experience.
- Lack of experience (governor in Alaska).
- Lack of speaking skills.
etc

I'm not saying the Biden's perfect, it's just Palin is funnier.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 08, 2008, 06:18:07 PM
Do you hate America?  Do you hate the morals and traditions that America was founded on?  What part of America is not working at the moment?

I do not.  Which is why I consider myself a traditionalist.


I don't hate America - I'm embarrassed by it.  I'm embarrassed by the laughing stock of the civilized world it has become.  I'm embarrassed by its obvious and depraved occupation of Iraq for profit.  I'm embarrassed by its lack of action in The Congo, Darfur, and Rwanda - not to mention Cambodia for how many years under Pol Pot?  I'm embarrassed by Air America, Iran-Contra, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graib, and Blackwater.

Man, no one on this site has actually annoyed me - if you are playing a part, bravo.  If not, we could really fuck up someone's birthday party if we got seated next to one another.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 08:18:36 PM
Do you hate America?  Do you hate the morals and traditions that America was founded on?  What part of America is not working at the moment?

I do not.  Which is why I consider myself a traditionalist.


I don't hate America - I'm embarrassed by it.  I'm embarrassed by the laughing stock of the civilized world it has become.  I'm embarrassed by its obvious and depraved occupation of Iraq for profit.  I'm embarrassed by its lack of action in The Congo, Darfur, and Rwanda - not to mention Cambodia for how many years under Pol Pot?  I'm embarrassed by Air America, Iran-Contra, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graib, and Blackwater.

Man, no one on this site has actually annoyed me - if you are playing a part, bravo.  If not, we could really fuck up someone's birthday party if we got seated next to one another.

Embarrassed by it?  Yeah we are really the "laughing stock" of the world.  One word: jealousy.   That's why millions of illegal aliens are here.  That's why people from ALL over the world have come here to live the American dream.  How many American immigrants are in China right now trying to make a living? 

Lack of action?  You mean like the action we took in Kuwait?  You mean the action we took in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya?  Jesus, you people need to get your stories straight.  Either we are doing too much or we aren't doing enough.  Make up your fucking minds.

Have you even been to Cambodia?  That county is so fucked up right now they don't even trust their own currency so guess what they use?  Thats right, the good ole US dollar.  Let me ask you a question do you even know why we didn't go in and do anything about Pol Pot?  Have you even a fucking clue?

The day Americans start branching off out in to the world to find a "better" place to live, thrive, and survive, is the day I say I'm embarrassed.  Until then this is the greatest country in the world and will continue to be as long as the traditional values that this country was founded on stay in place.

Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on October 08, 2008, 08:23:08 PM
Do you hate America?  Do you hate the morals and traditions that America was founded on?  What part of America is not working at the moment?

I do not.  Which is why I consider myself a traditionalist.


I don't hate America - I'm embarrassed by it.  I'm embarrassed by the laughing stock of the civilized world it has become.  I'm embarrassed by its obvious and depraved occupation of Iraq for profit.  I'm embarrassed by its lack of action in The Congo, Darfur, and Rwanda - not to mention Cambodia for how many years under Pol Pot?  I'm embarrassed by Air America, Iran-Contra, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graib, and Blackwater.

Man, no one on this site has actually annoyed me - if you are playing a part, bravo.  If not, we could really fuck up someone's birthday party if we got seated next to one another.

Embarrassed by it?  Yeah we are really the "laughing stock" of the world.  One word: jealousy.   That's why millions of illegal aliens are here.  That's why people from ALL over the world have come here to live the American dream.  How many American immigrants are in China right now trying to make a living? 

Lack of action?  You mean like the action we took in Kuwait?  You mean the action we took in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya?  Jesus, you people need to get your stories straight.  Either we are doing too much or we aren't doing enough.  Make up your fucking minds.

Have you even been to Cambodia?  That county is so fucked up right now they don't even trust their own currency so guess what they use?  Thats right, the good ole US dollar.  Let me ask you a question do you even know why we didn't go in and do anything about Pol Pot?  Have you even a fucking clue?

The day Americans start branching off out in to the world to find a "better" place to live, thrive, and survive, is the day I say I'm embarrassed.  Until then this is the greatest country in the world and will continue to be as long as the traditional values that this country was founded on stay in place.


its still the laughing stock of the world because of one man - Bush
now dont tell me i hate america i like here but im just saying that ive seen first hand that everyone thinks america abuses its power and then votes retards in for president
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 08:26:59 PM
Do you hate America?  Do you hate the morals and traditions that America was founded on?  What part of America is not working at the moment?

I do not.  Which is why I consider myself a traditionalist.


I don't hate America - I'm embarrassed by it.  I'm embarrassed by the laughing stock of the civilized world it has become.  I'm embarrassed by its obvious and depraved occupation of Iraq for profit.  I'm embarrassed by its lack of action in The Congo, Darfur, and Rwanda - not to mention Cambodia for how many years under Pol Pot?  I'm embarrassed by Air America, Iran-Contra, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graib, and Blackwater.

Man, no one on this site has actually annoyed me - if you are playing a part, bravo.  If not, we could really fuck up someone's birthday party if we got seated next to one another.

Embarrassed by it?  Yeah we are really the "laughing stock" of the world.  One word: jealousy.   That's why millions of illegal aliens are here.  That's why people from ALL over the world have come here to live the American dream.  How many American immigrants are in China right now trying to make a living? 

Lack of action?  You mean like the action we took in Kuwait?  You mean the action we took in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya?  Jesus, you people need to get your stories straight.  Either we are doing too much or we aren't doing enough.  Make up your fucking minds.

Have you even been to Cambodia?  That county is so fucked up right now they don't even trust their own currency so guess what they use?  Thats right, the good ole US dollar.  Let me ask you a question do you even know why we didn't go in and do anything about Pol Pot?  Have you even a fucking clue?

The day Americans start branching off out in to the world to find a "better" place to live, thrive, and survive, is the day I say I'm embarrassed.  Until then this is the greatest country in the world and will continue to be as long as the traditional values that this country was founded on stay in place.


its still the laughing stock of the world because of one man - Bush
now dont tell me i hate america i like here but im just saying that ive seen first hand that everyone thinks america abuses its power and then votes retards in for president

Yup, thats why they keep streaming in by the boat/truckload.  Because we suck so bad.  ::)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 08:27:43 PM
Do you hate America?  Do you hate the morals and traditions that America was founded on?  What part of America is not working at the moment?

I do not.  Which is why I consider myself a traditionalist.


I don't hate America - I'm embarrassed by it.  I'm embarrassed by the laughing stock of the civilized world it has become.  I'm embarrassed by its obvious and depraved occupation of Iraq for profit.  I'm embarrassed by its lack of action in The Congo, Darfur, and Rwanda - not to mention Cambodia for how many years under Pol Pot?  I'm embarrassed by Air America, Iran-Contra, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graib, and Blackwater.

Man, no one on this site has actually annoyed me - if you are playing a part, bravo.  If not, we could really fuck up someone's birthday party if we got seated next to one another.

Embarrassed by it?  Yeah we are really the "laughing stock" of the world.  One word: jealousy.   That's why millions of illegal aliens are here.  That's why people from ALL over the world have come here to live the American dream.  How many American immigrants are in China right now trying to make a living? 

Lack of action?  You mean like the action we took in Kuwait?  You mean the action we took in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya?  Jesus, you people need to get your stories straight.  Either we are doing too much or we aren't doing enough.  Make up your fucking minds.

Have you even been to Cambodia?  That county is so fucked up right now they don't even trust their own currency so guess what they use?  Thats right, the good ole US dollar.  Let me ask you a question do you even know why we didn't go in and do anything about Pol Pot?  Have you even a fucking clue?

The day Americans start branching off out in to the world to find a "better" place to live, thrive, and survive, is the day I say I'm embarrassed.  Until then this is the greatest country in the world and will continue to be as long as the traditional values that this country was founded on stay in place.


its still the laughing stock of the world because of one man - Bush
now dont tell me i hate america i like here but im just saying that ive seen first hand that everyone thinks america abuses its power and then votes retards in for president

Yup, thats why they keep streaming in by the boat/truckload.  Because we suck so bad.  ::)

As a matter of fact aren't you originally from outside the USA?  Interesting coming from an immigrant.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on October 08, 2008, 09:35:31 PM
Do you hate America?  Do you hate the morals and traditions that America was founded on?  What part of America is not working at the moment?

I do not.  Which is why I consider myself a traditionalist.


I don't hate America - I'm embarrassed by it.  I'm embarrassed by the laughing stock of the civilized world it has become.  I'm embarrassed by its obvious and depraved occupation of Iraq for profit.  I'm embarrassed by its lack of action in The Congo, Darfur, and Rwanda - not to mention Cambodia for how many years under Pol Pot?  I'm embarrassed by Air America, Iran-Contra, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graib, and Blackwater.

Man, no one on this site has actually annoyed me - if you are playing a part, bravo.  If not, we could really fuck up someone's birthday party if we got seated next to one another.

Embarrassed by it?  Yeah we are really the "laughing stock" of the world.  One word: jealousy.   That's why millions of illegal aliens are here.  That's why people from ALL over the world have come here to live the American dream.  How many American immigrants are in China right now trying to make a living? 

Lack of action?  You mean like the action we took in Kuwait?  You mean the action we took in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya?  Jesus, you people need to get your stories straight.  Either we are doing too much or we aren't doing enough.  Make up your fucking minds.

Have you even been to Cambodia?  That county is so fucked up right now they don't even trust their own currency so guess what they use?  Thats right, the good ole US dollar.  Let me ask you a question do you even know why we didn't go in and do anything about Pol Pot?  Have you even a fucking clue?

The day Americans start branching off out in to the world to find a "better" place to live, thrive, and survive, is the day I say I'm embarrassed.  Until then this is the greatest country in the world and will continue to be as long as the traditional values that this country was founded on stay in place.


its still the laughing stock of the world because of one man - Bush
now dont tell me i hate america i like here but im just saying that ive seen first hand that everyone thinks america abuses its power and then votes retards in for president

Its not just Bush that makes us laugh at America.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 09:43:13 PM
Its not just Bush that makes us laugh at America.

I know.  It's jealousy.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 09:44:03 PM
Jealous of what?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 09:46:41 PM
Jealous of what?

I don't know. Why don't you ask all the immigrants that come here every year, and stay.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 08, 2008, 09:47:17 PM
Jealous of what?

Most people don't realize that America is the world's only existing military super power, which blows away any other country far and away in terms of military might. Lets put it this way: There are 192 countries on earth. America has military bases in 140 of them.

America is such a powerful and established entity that most countries on earth have their reserves in U.S. Dollars. If the United States Economy fails, so does the world's.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
Jealous of what?

I don't know. Why don't you ask all the immigrants that come here every year, and stay.
I have no wish to immigrate to the United States. I don't think many of those that do are the ones laughing at you anyway.

So you can rule out jealousy.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2008, 09:51:20 PM
I have no wish to immigrate to the United States. I don't think many of those that do are the ones laughing at you anyway.

So you can rule out jealousy.

I agree. I went to America for a week, and it was pretty awful.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 09:52:23 PM
Jealous of what?

I don't know. Why don't you ask all the immigrants that come here every year, and stay.
I have no wish to immigrate to the United States. I don't think many of those that do are the ones laughing at you anyway.

So you can rule out jealousy.

Laugh all you want.  You don't even like your own country.  Who are you to say whats wrong with mine?

1.8 million legal and illegal each year settle in the U.S.  Interesting, for sure.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 09:53:36 PM
I have no wish to immigrate to the United States. I don't think many of those that do are the ones laughing at you anyway.

So you can rule out jealousy.

I agree. I went to America for a week, and it was pretty awful.


Why did you come here in the first place?  Can't say I've ever been to Australia.  Interesting, considering I travel FOR A LIVING.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2008, 09:54:17 PM
Laugh all you want.  You don't even like your own country.  Who are you to say whats wrong with mine?

1.8 million legal and illegal each year settle in the U.S.  Interesting, for sure.

A lot more than 1.8 million people die each year. Does this make death a desirable experience?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2008, 09:54:48 PM
Why did you come here in the first place?  Can't say I've ever been to Australia.  Interesting, considering I travel FOR A LIVING.

Because my dad was going there and I went with him. We were going to South Africa afterwards, to Cape Town where I was born.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 09:56:18 PM
Laugh all you want.  You don't even like your own country.  Who are you to say whats wrong with mine?
I do not laugh at the United States. I actually find the current situation of the world rather tragic.

However, I notice that you're very quick to denounce other people's right to an opinion. Most discouraging.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 09:57:44 PM
Laugh all you want.  You don't even like your own country.  Who are you to say whats wrong with mine?
I do not laugh at the United States. I actually find the current situation of the world rather tragic.

However, I notice that you're very quick to denounce other people's right to an opinion. Most discouraging.

I am not denouncing.  I am disagreeing.  Do you like your country?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on October 08, 2008, 09:57:58 PM
I'd never immigrate to the US either. And the dollar stopped being important after 1971.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 08, 2008, 10:01:00 PM
America is such a bloated hog of power and control that there really are no other governments. There is only one government: the American Government. The US controls the UN, NATO, and global economies like puppets. It has the greatest military on the face of this earth, and its CIA actively chooses the leaders of other countries. No other government holds a candle to the United States Government.

The United States military is so powerful that it's not even a defensive one. It's an offensive military. US NAVY battleships are constantly circling the coasts of foreign nations and actively policing world affairs. The US has no significant presence at home. Its bases are out there within the boarders of other countries.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on October 08, 2008, 10:02:27 PM
America is such a bloated hog of power and control that there really are no other governments. There is only one government: the American Government. The US controls the UN, NATO, and global economies like puppets. It has the greatest military on the face of this earth, and its CIA actively chooses the leaders of other countries. No other government else could hold a candle to the United States Government.

The United States military is so powerful that it's not even a defensive one. It's an offensive military. US NAVY battleships are constantly circling the coast of foreign nations actively policing world affairs.

 ::)

Though it is true that the US holds far too much sway over the UN etc. Bastards breaking the rules.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 10:03:57 PM
America is such a bloated hog of power and control that there really are no other governments. There is only one government: the American Government. The US controls the UN, NATO, and global economies like puppets. It has the greatest military on the face of this earth, and its CIA actively chooses the leaders of other countries. No other government else could hold a candle to the United States Government.

The United States military is so powerful that it's not even a defensive one. It's an offensive military. US NAVY battleships are constantly circling the coast of foreign nations and actively policing world affairs.

I think I just shot red, white, and blue jizz in my pants.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 10:04:56 PM
I am not denouncing.  I am disagreeing.
Disagreeing with what, exactly?

Do you like your country?
Do you mean to ask whether I lead a comfortable and satisfying life in my country or whether I am proud of my country's current acknowledgment of responsibility in the world?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 08, 2008, 10:05:22 PM
I agree. I went to America for a week, and it was pretty awful.

It doesn't matter who has the "prettiest" country. All that matters in the end is who can kick who's ass.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Trekky0623 on October 08, 2008, 10:06:28 PM
I agree. I went to America for a week, and it was pretty awful.

It doesn't matter who has the "prettiest" country. All that matters in the end is who can kick who's ass.

Jesus, did Tom just say that?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Anteater7171 on October 08, 2008, 10:06:53 PM
Exactly Tom, thats why you should be our next president.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on October 08, 2008, 10:08:37 PM
I agree. I went to America for a week, and it was pretty awful.

It doesn't matter who has the "prettiest" country. All that matters in the end is who can kick who's ass.

Jesus, did Tom just say that?

Tom is baaaaaad!!!

But its cruel to go around kicking people's donkeys.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 10:10:02 PM
I am not denouncing.  I am disagreeing.
Disagreeing with what, exactly?

Disagreeing that people are laughing at America when in all honesty they are actually jealous of it.

Do you like your country?
Do you mean to ask whether I lead a comfortable and satisfying life in my country or whether I am proud of my country's current acknowledgment of responsibility in the world?

Come on Oscar, your not running for office here.  Do you like your country?


Watch, it's easy.

Hey Wardogg, do you like your country?

Hell yes.  America is the greatest country on the planet.  
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 10:19:16 PM
Come on Oscar, your not running for office here.  Do you like your country?


Watch, it's easy.

Hey Wardogg, do you like your country?

Hell yes.  America is the greatest country on the planet.  
And that's how everyone should respond?

The quality of life in my country is obscenely greater than most others and I consider myself fortunate and privileged to have been born where I was and allowed to live the life I've been leading. However, I do not feel that this makes me or the state under which I live superior to any other. Indeed, there have been times where I find myself physically ill at the contrast between my decadence in comparison to, for example, an emaciated child in Africa and I am unable to bring myself to wave a flag and declare my nation's greatness when we are doing so little to help others.

We are citizens of circumstance, nothing more.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 10:28:25 PM
Come on Oscar, your not running for office here.  Do you like your country?


Watch, it's easy.

Hey Wardogg, do you like your country?

Hell yes.  America is the greatest country on the planet.  
And that's how everyone should respond?

The quality of life in my country is obscenely greater than most others and I consider myself fortunate and privileged to have been born where I was and allowed to live the life I've been leading. However, I do not feel that this makes me or the state under which I live superior to any other. Indeed, there have been times where I find myself physically ill at the contrast between my decadence in comparison to, for example, an emaciated child in Africa and I am unable to bring myself to wave a flag and declare my nation's greatness when we are doing so little to help others.

We are citizens of circumstance, nothing more.

So, no then?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 10:31:59 PM
It was an insufficient question.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 10:38:52 PM
It was an insufficient question.

I don't think it was.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 10:39:45 PM
It wasn't a 'yes' or 'no' question.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 10:43:15 PM
It wasn't a 'yes' or 'no' question.

Why wasn't it?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
It wasn't a 'yes' or 'no' question.

Why wasn't it?
Because the answer is more complicated than that.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 10:53:01 PM
It wasn't a 'yes' or 'no' question.

Why wasn't it?
Because the answer is more complicated than that.


You would fit in well with the liberals here.  They think that question is complicated as well.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 08, 2008, 10:54:49 PM
America is the greatest country on the planet.  

I LOL'd.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 10:58:12 PM
You would fit in well with the liberals here.  They think that question is complicated as well.
Can you explain why it's so matter of fact?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 08, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
It doesn't matter who has the "prettiest" country. All that matters in the end is who can kick who's ass.

I may never change my sig again.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 11:01:31 PM
TOM IS TOUGH GUY ON THE INTERNET LOL
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 08, 2008, 11:03:51 PM
Can you explain why it's so matter of fact?

Because he's probably committing a fallacy.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 11:05:35 PM
You would fit in well with the liberals here.  They think that question is complicated as well.
Can you explain why it's so matter of fact?

Either you stand behind your countries foundation, morals, and values, or you don't.  Citizens of circumstance aside.  I think you could move if you didn't like your countries views.  Except maybe the N Koreans.


Can you explain why it's so matter of fact?

Because he's probably committing a fallacy.

Don't use words you don't know the meaning to.  It makes you look stupid.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 08, 2008, 11:09:06 PM
Don't use words you don't know the meaning to.  It makes you look stupid.

Fallacy is like, an elementary school word. How wouldn't I know its meaning?

Either you stand behind your countries foundation, morals, and values, or you don't.  Citizens of circumstance aside.  I think you could move if you didn't like your countries views.

Um that wasn't your question. "Do you like your country" doesn't easily translate into a yes or a no.

I like living in my country for a number of reasons, and I dislike the political views of those in power. So, how would I answer?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 08, 2008, 11:11:13 PM
1.8 million legal and illegal each year settle in the U.S.  Interesting, for sure.

To be fair, the illegals don't have much of an option. If they could walk across the border to any country, you can't be sure they'd all pick America.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 11:12:53 PM
Either you stand behind your countries foundation, morals, and values, or you don't.
One's country doesn't always live up to these things. I like my country because it is peaceful and quiet and I may pursue literature and culture unmolested. Does this mean that I would die in a foreign desert for its economic interests? No.

I am opposed to the state in general anyway.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 11:13:54 PM
Um that wasn't your question. "Do you like your country" doesn't easily translate into a yes or a no.

I like living in my country for a number of reasons, and I dislike the political views of those in power. So, how would I answer?

I don't know how you can answer anything other than a yes or no to my question.  Do you wish to move out of your country?

1.8 million legal and illegal each year settle in the U.S.  Interesting, for sure.

To be fair, the illegals don't have much of an option. If they could walk across the border to any country, you can't be sure they'd all pick America.
Your right.  They could go south.  For some reason they don't.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2008, 11:14:52 PM
I wish to move out of this country at some point, largely because it has its head up America's ass.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 11:15:56 PM
I wish to move out of this country at some point, largely because it has its head up America's ass.
As soon as I get my degree, I'm also leaving.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 11:16:47 PM
Either you stand behind your countries foundation, morals, and values, or you don't.
One's country doesn't always live up to these things. I like my country because it is peaceful and quiet and I may pursue literature and culture unmolested. Does this mean that I would die in a foreign desert for its economic interests? No.

I am opposed to the state in general anyway.

You bring up a good point here.  Lets throw out the "economic intrest" and insert whatever else you want there.  Do I think everyone that does not do time in the military doesn't like their country?  Of course not.  That's absurd.  There is something in a few of us that feel the nation's protection is up to us.  But it by no means, means that if you aren't willing to die for it then you don't like your country.  You can be patriotic without military service.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 11:17:44 PM
I wish to move out of this country at some point, largely because it has its head up America's ass.

Where ya heading?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2008, 11:19:54 PM
I wish to move out of this country at some point, largely because it has its head up America's ass.

Where ya heading?

Ideally, I'd like to go back to South Africa, but it's pretty shit there at the moment and I don't want to move right into the middle of a bloodfest. So I'm thinking of going to Europe instead. Whenever things settle down in South Africa, though, I'd love to go back to live in Cape Town, it's a great city.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 11:21:20 PM
I wish to move out of this country at some point, largely because it has its head up America's ass.

Where ya heading?

Ideally, I'd like to go back to South Africa, but it's pretty shit there at the moment and I don't want to move right into the middle of a bloodfest. So I'm thinking of going to Europe instead. Whenever things settle down in South Africa, though, I'd love to go back to live in Cape Town, it's a great city.

Why?  What makes it a great city?  Do you consider yourself a South African, considering you were born there?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 11:21:58 PM
I wish to move out of this country at some point, largely because it has its head up America's ass.
As soon as I get my degree, I'm also leaving.

Why?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 08, 2008, 11:23:19 PM
I don't know how you can answer anything other than a yes or no to my question.  Do you wish to move out of your country?

I don't have an opinion on that. There is nothing here that I couldn't find somewhere else; and there's also nothing that compels me to leave. So, I don't wish to move, but I don't not wish it either.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2008, 11:24:30 PM
Why?  What makes it a great city?  Do you consider yourself a South African, considering you were born there?

It goes against my values to associate myself too strongly with any particular nation, but if I had to consider myself to be of a particular nationality, then yes, I would consider myself a South African. Also, it's a great city for many reasons, not least its amazing geographical and cultural beauty.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 11:26:50 PM
You bring up a good point here.  Lets throw out the "economic intrest" and insert whatever else you want there.
There are many things I would risk my life for. Whether or not they would be in my country's interests at the time is circumstantial. If I feel my country is fighting for a worthy cause, I support it. Patriotism should not be a default setting. It is not "my country, right or wrong".

Do I think everyone that does not do time in the military doesn't like their country?  Of course not.  That's absurd.  There is something in a few of us that feel the nation's protection is up to us.  But it by no means, means that if you aren't willing to die for it then you don't like your country.  You can be patriotic without military service.
Patriotism means different things to different people. The same goes for the perception of what a nation's "protection" really entails.

Why?
It's cold here. Also, I would like to see as much of the world as possible in the short time I have on it.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 08, 2008, 11:30:52 PM
Patriotism means different things to different people. The same goes for the perception of what a nation's "protection" really entails.

America's patriotism brings me back to the 1930s and Italy.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 08, 2008, 11:31:59 PM
All the above posts were very interesting reads.  Thank you for posting.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 08, 2008, 11:33:43 PM
Patriotism means different things to different people. The same goes for the perception of what a nation's "protection" really entails.

America's patriotism brings me back to the 1930s and Italy.
At least the trains all run on time.

Too bad they don't go anywhere.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: MadDogX on October 08, 2008, 11:57:13 PM
@Osama: I know this is kind of beside the topic, but when did you move from South Africa to Australia?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2008, 11:59:33 PM
@Osama: I know this is kind of beside the topic, but when did you move from South Africa to Australia?

Moved from South Africa to England in July '98, and then to Australia in July '99. With my family, of course, as I was only ten years old when we moved here.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: MadDogX on October 09, 2008, 12:09:23 AM
@Osama: I know this is kind of beside the topic, but when did you move from South Africa to Australia?

Moved from South Africa to England in July '98, and then to Australia in July '99. With my family, of course, as I was only ten years old when we moved here.

Okay. For a moment there, I thought you might be someone I actually knew.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 09, 2008, 12:10:12 AM
lol internet
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 09, 2008, 12:33:20 AM
Okay. For a moment there, I thought you might be someone I actually knew.

I think you'd know if you knew Osama Bin Laden.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: MadDogX on October 09, 2008, 12:42:31 AM
Okay. For a moment there, I thought you might be someone I actually knew.

I think you'd know if you knew Osama Bin Laden.

Most likely.  ;)

But I know that you are RoboSteve, which is where my train of thought actually began.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 09, 2008, 12:43:24 AM
Most likely.  ;)

But I know that you are RoboSteve, which is where my train of thought actually began.

Robosteve is a pseudonym. In actuality, I am Osama Bin Laden.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 09, 2008, 12:47:57 AM
No, you're Brian Merriweather. Steven McDonald is your pen name.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 09, 2008, 02:06:26 AM
America's patriotism brings me back to the 1930s and Italy.

It's not patriotism. America truly is the puppet master of world affairs. The vast majority of foreign leaders are at America's beck and call. America is the controller. America says what goes and who does what. It's a superpower beyond all comprehension. After World War II only America's economy stood strong from the aftermath, and so it received investments from all stratas of the world, ballooning its economy and government to the most powerful and influential entity on earth today.

When it's talked about how America is the best, it really and truly is the most powerful nation on earth. If the countries of the earth all allied and went to war against America's military it's a coin flip who would win.

There is no escaping America. America influences nearly every country at every level: economically, militaristically, and politically. It's not a joke. It's not "patriotism". It's simple fact. The US is a superpower which outweighs any other country in military might by a factor of over a hundred to one.

America is a superpower which doesn't even need to invade a country to destroy it. It can be bankrupted and ruined financially with a stroke of a pen. There is only one government who's say has any meaning or sway. That government is the United States of America.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 09, 2008, 03:02:43 AM
No, you're Brian Merriweather. Steven McDonald is your pen name.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: MadDogX on October 09, 2008, 03:50:00 AM
::)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 09, 2008, 04:44:27 AM
No, you're Brian Merriweather. Steven McDonald is your pen name.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22782.msg478708#msg478708
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 09, 2008, 07:12:33 AM
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22782.msg478708#msg478708

That doesn't count as evidence until you provide moar.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 09, 2008, 07:15:40 AM
Damn. You got me there. :(
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 07:47:15 AM
America's patriotism brings me back to the 1930s and Italy.

It's not patriotism. America truly is the puppet master of world affairs. The vast majority of foreign leaders are at America's beck and call. America is the controller. America says what goes and who does what. It's a superpower beyond all comprehension. After World War II only America's economy stood strong from the aftermath, and so it received investments from all stratas of the world, ballooning its economy and government to the most powerful and influential entity on earth today.

When it's talked about how America is the best, it really and truly is the most powerful nation on earth. If the countries of the earth all allied and went to war against America's military it's a coin flip who would win.

There is no escaping America. America influences nearly every country at every level: economically, militaristically, and politically. It's not a joke. It's not "patriotism". It's simple fact. The US is a superpower which outweighs any other country in military might by a factor of over a hundred to one.

America is a superpower which doesn't even need to invade a country to destroy it. It can be bankrupted and ruined financially with a stroke of a pen. There is only one government who's say has any meaning or sway. That government is the United States of America.

Wow, Tom, this is some silly shit!  Do you really believe the crap in bold?  You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?  That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia, or that a platoon of Israeli soldiers could likely defeat 5 or 6 platoons of American forces?  Do you realize that there are more Blackwater, Inc. mercenaries on the ground in Iraq than there are American Troops?

If we can bankrupt a country with the stroke of a pen, why did we need to invade Iraq after years of economic sanctions?  Why did they not simply collapse under the weight of US power?  Why is Osama bin Laden moderating this message board instead of dead?  Oh, that's right, because we trained him, financed him, and employ him as a black ops agent.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: MadDogX on October 09, 2008, 07:53:38 AM
America's patriotism brings me back to the 1930s and Italy.

It's not patriotism. America truly is the puppet master of world affairs. The vast majority of foreign leaders are at America's beck and call. America is the controller. America says what goes and who does what. It's a superpower beyond all comprehension. After World War II only America's economy stood strong from the aftermath, and so it received investments from all stratas of the world, ballooning its economy and government to the most powerful and influential entity on earth today.

When it's talked about how America is the best, it really and truly is the most powerful nation on earth. If the countries of the earth all allied and went to war against America's military it's a coin flip who would win.

There is no escaping America. America influences nearly every country at every level: economically, militaristically, and politically. It's not a joke. It's not "patriotism". It's simple fact. The US is a superpower which outweighs any other country in military might by a factor of over a hundred to one.

America is a superpower which doesn't even need to invade a country to destroy it. It can be bankrupted and ruined financially with a stroke of a pen. There is only one government who's say has any meaning or sway. That government is the United States of America.

Wow, Tom, this is some silly shit!  Do you really believe the crap in bold?  You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?  That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia, or that a platoon of Israeli soldiers could likely defeat 5 or 6 platoons of American forces?  Do you realize that there are more Blackwater, Inc. mercenaries on the ground in Iraq than there are American Troops?

If we can bankrupt a country with the stroke of a pen, why did we need to invade Iraq after years of economic sanctions?  Why did they not simply collapse under the weight of US power?  Why is Osama bin Laden moderating this message board instead of dead?  Oh, that's right, because we trained him, financed him, and employ him as a black ops agent.

I wish that would fit in a sig. Epic truth is epic.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 07:54:38 AM
Wow, Tom, this is some silly shit!  Do you really believe the crap in bold?  You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?  That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia, or that a platoon of Israeli soldiers could likely defeat 5 or 6 platoons of American forces?  Do you realize that there are more Blackwater, Inc. mercenaries on the ground in Iraq than there are American Troops?

If we can bankrupt a country with the stroke of a pen, why did we need to invade Iraq after years of economic sanctions?  Why did they not simply collapse under the weight of US power?  Why is Osama bin Laden moderating this message board instead of dead?  Oh, that's right, because we trained him, financed him, and employ him as a black ops agent.

QFT, HOORAY
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Oscar Wilde on October 09, 2008, 07:55:24 AM
Why is Osama bin Laden moderating this message board instead of dead?  Oh, that's right, because we trained him, financed him, and employ him as a black ops agent.
Win.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on October 09, 2008, 07:56:26 AM
Why is Osama bin Laden moderating this message board instead of dead?  Oh, that's right, because we trained him, financed him, and employ him as a black ops agent.
Win.

Definite win!
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jack on October 09, 2008, 07:57:42 AM
You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?
Why? When they have like... 2.25 million active troops already? 

That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia
Source, pleaze.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 08:06:27 AM
You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?
Why? When they have like... 2.25 million active troops already? 

That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia
Source, pleaze.

Nice catch.  I was wrong, but so are you.  Wiki shows 1.4 million currently active.  2.4 total armed forces, which likely includes reserves and inactive commissions.

That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia
Source, pleaze.

Well, that's tough.  All the sources I can find online show massive, pre-disarmament numbers for both the US and Russia.  We're talking thousands, compared to around 500 for China.  This is no longer the case.  I remember a Dateline (US news show) talking about how we dismantled all but a few hundred 'token' missiles over the last 10 years, while China has been steadily building their program since the 60's.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jack on October 09, 2008, 08:27:49 AM
Nice catch.  I was wrong, but so are you.  Wiki shows 1.4 million currently active.  2.4 total armed forces, which likely includes reserves and inactive commissions.
Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_total_troops

Well, that's tough.  All the sources I can find online show massive, pre-disarmament numbers for both the US and Russia.  We're talking thousands, compared to around 500 for China.  This is no longer the case.  I remember a Dateline (US news show) talking about how we dismantled all but a few hundred 'token' missiles over the last 10 years, while China has been steadily building their program since the 60's.
Sorry, but India has less than 300 nuclear warheads. How is that "nearly twice" as many as the US (greater than 5,000) and Russia (greater than 14,000)?

Source:
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nukestatus.html
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 08:54:01 AM
Nice catch.  I was wrong, but so are you.  Wiki shows 1.4 million currently active.  2.4 total armed forces, which likely includes reserves and inactive commissions.
Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_total_troops

Yes, total and active are two different things.  See, in the english language, different words have different meanings.  They don't just get to mean whatever you want them to for a specific usage.  As I pointed out, India has 1.4 active military troops.

Well, that's tough.  All the sources I can find online show massive, pre-disarmament numbers for both the US and Russia.  We're talking thousands, compared to around 500 for China.  This is no longer the case.  I remember a Dateline (US news show) talking about how we dismantled all but a few hundred 'token' missiles over the last 10 years, while China has been steadily building their program since the 60's.
Sorry, but India has less than 300 nuclear warheads. How is that "nearly twice" as many as the US (greater than 5,000) and Russia (greater than 14,000)?

Source:
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nukestatus.html


It's not, if you read my post, you'll notice that I pointed out that the online sources are a bit outdated.  The one you linked, for example, shows an update on October 9, but is referencing information from the nuclear bulletin here: http://thebulletin.metapress.com/content/hh405772860642u7/fulltext.pdf , which is only accurate to 1999.  We have dismantled thousands of missiles since then, but I forgot all about the stockpile.

If you count reserve, inactive missiles and warheads, etc., It appears we still have more missiles than China.  Active missiles seem to be about equal.  The information regarding China's armaments is also outdated, and they have been steadily producing while we have been steadily destroying.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on October 09, 2008, 08:56:25 AM
India has 1.4 active military troops.

That doesn't sound like a very powerful army.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Robbyj on October 09, 2008, 08:58:45 AM
The second guy must only have 2 out of 5 appendiges.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jack on October 09, 2008, 09:11:52 AM
Yes, total and active are two different things.  See, in the english language, different words have different meanings.  They don't just get to mean whatever you want them to for a specific usage.  As I pointed out, India has 1.4 active military troops.
You're not following, are you? You just said China could field 1,000,000 men within 6 months. I said they already have 2.25 million active troops. You replied with "1.4 million active troops from wikipedia".

I'm addressing that.

It's not, if you read my post, you'll notice that I pointed out that the online sources are a bit outdated.  The one you linked, for example, shows an update on October 9, but is referencing information from the nuclear bulletin here: http://thebulletin.metapress.com/content/hh405772860642u7/fulltext.pdf , which is only accurate to 1999.  We have dismantled thousands of missiles since then, but I forgot all about the stockpile.

The information regarding China's armaments is also outdated, and they have been steadily producing while we have been steadily destroying.
Outdated? My source shows the 2008 report.

If you count reserve, inactive missiles and warheads, etc., It appears we still have more missiles than China.  Active missiles seem to be about equal.
No, not about equal.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 09, 2008, 09:14:45 AM
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Wow, Tom, this is some silly shit!  Do you really believe the crap in bold?  You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?  That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia, or that a platoon of Israeli soldiers could likely defeat 5 or 6 platoons of American forces?  Do you realize that there are more Blackwater, Inc. mercenaries on the ground in Iraq than there are American Troops?

I don't care how big of an army China could raise in a month. It doesn't mean anything if all they have are sticks and stones to bludgeon us with. If China went to war with the US there's no way they could get their army over here to swarm us with their only asset. China doesn't have a navy of any significance. The only way they'd have a chance is to march across the ice bridge which connects Russia to Alaska. Without adequate protection many would freeze to death.

In such a skirmish US would have a constant barrage of missiles homed in on the bridge to stem the tide and then a few strategic missiles delivered to Hong Kong and their lackluster military bases to be done with them.  

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If we can bankrupt a country with the stroke of a pen, why did we need to invade Iraq after years of economic sanctions?

The US embargoes put on Iraq in the 90's bankrupted Iraq's economy and destroyed the nation's basic industries. Iraq has been hardly prosperous over the last two decades since then. This latest military incursion into its lands is just the final shot to end the pain of a wounded animal.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 09:21:34 AM
China's army is meaning less considering they have no way of getting anywhere across the ocean.


Also the blackwater #s are false as well

Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moon squirter on October 09, 2008, 09:28:31 AM
The only way they'd have a chance is to march across the ice bridge which connects Russia to Alaska. Without adequate protection many would freeze to death.

Which links conveniently to Ms Palin's "foreign policy experience".  I knew she'd come in useful!

Also, regarding "freezing to death".  I'm sure they'd wear warm coats.  Underestimating China's thermal underwear potential is foolish in the extreme.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 09:29:45 AM
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Wow, Tom, this is some silly shit!  Do you really believe the crap in bold?  You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?  That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia, or that a platoon of Israeli soldiers could likely defeat 5 or 6 platoons of American forces?  Do you realize that there are more Blackwater, Inc. mercenaries on the ground in Iraq than there are American Troops?

I don't care how big of an army China could raise in a month. It doesn't mean anything if all they have are sticks and stones to bulgeon us with. If China went to war with the US there's no way they could get their army over here to swarm us with their only asses. China doesn't have a navy of any significance. The only way they'd have a chance is to march across the ice bridge which connects Russia to Alaska. Without adequate protection many would freeze to death.

The US would likely have a constant barrage of missiles homed in on the bridge to stem the tide.  

Ever heard of the Port of Long Beach?  China could easily move up to 160,000 troops per day onto US soil through our own harbor, which Billary sold to them several years ago.  The port processes, on average, 19,900 20-foot containers (TEUs) each day, with each able to hold nearly 100 men with gear.

This is all beside the point.  The point is that no matter what propaganda you have chosen to buy into, the US is in many ways less powerful than it tries to make itself out to be.  We are certainly not the state-crushing machine your gung-ho patriotism deludes you into believing.  Stop watching Fox and Freinds, and take in a BBC World News Broadcast now and again.

Troops marching across the land-bridge, LOL.  Where does he come up with this stuff?

Don't worry, if Obama wins, Palin can keep the russians from invading... Alaska. LOL.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 09:31:05 AM
China's army is meaning less considering they have no way of getting anywhere across the ocean.

Also the blackwater #s are false as well



Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jack on October 09, 2008, 09:33:45 AM
China is currently researching blue-water navy. Maybe some day in the future they can transport troops across the Pacific Ocean via navy. It's true that their power projection is very limited. The Americans, having the most powerful navy right now, pretty much dominates the whole Pacific Ocean.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jack on October 09, 2008, 09:37:27 AM
the US is in many ways less powerful than it tries to make itself out to be.
It's true.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 09:40:49 AM
Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)

My source, is the intelligence briefings I got over there every day when I was flying missions into Tikrit and Bahgdad and Irbil and Mosul and Fallujah.  We had to know where those dudes were so as not to have blue on blue incidents.

You show yours first.  You've already been called on your missile information being incorrect.  I think we already know where this one is going.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 09:41:58 AM
China is currently researching blue-water navy. Maybe some day in the future they can transport troops across the Pacific Ocean via navy. It's true that their power projection is very limited. The Americans, having the most powerful navy right now, pretty much dominates the whole Pacific Ocean.

Don't forget the Atlantic, we dominate that too.

So china will be ready to start moving people out in what, 20 years then?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 09, 2008, 09:44:10 AM
China isn't America, they have no desire to police the world. They have no reason to go anywhere.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 09, 2008, 09:50:53 AM
China isn't America, they have no desire to police the world. They have no reason to go anywhere.
Win
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 10:15:26 AM
Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)

My source, is the intelligence briefings I got over there every day when I was flying missions into Tikrit and Bahgdad and Irbil and Mosul and Fallujah.  We had to know where those dudes were so as not to have blue on blue incidents.

You show yours first.  You've already been called on your missile information being incorrect.  I think we already know where this one is going.

And how long ago was this?  The US currently has right around 122k troops in Iraq.  This is up from a year or so ago.  Estimates of Blackwater personell in country vary dramatically, from 44,000 through nearly 200,000.  The numbers I put the most faith in say around 135,000 operatives.  This is debatable, but not winnable, since neither Blackwater nor the US government feels inclined to disclose accurate numbers for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 10:18:47 AM
Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)

My source, is the intelligence briefings I got over there every day when I was flying missions into Tikrit and Bahgdad and Irbil and Mosul and Fallujah.  We had to know where those dudes were so as not to have blue on blue incidents.

You show yours first.  You've already been called on your missile information being incorrect.  I think we already know where this one is going.

And how long ago was this?  The US currently has right around 122k troops in Iraq.  This is up from a year or so ago.  Estimates of Blackwater personell in country vary dramatically, from 44,000 through nearly 200,000.  The numbers I put the most faith in say around 135,000 operatives.  This is debatable, but not winnable, since neither Blackwater nor the US government feels inclined to disclose accurate numbers for obvious reasons.

My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 09, 2008, 10:27:56 AM
Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)

My source, is the intelligence briefings I got over there every day when I was flying missions into Tikrit and Bahgdad and Irbil and Mosul and Fallujah.  We had to know where those dudes were so as not to have blue on blue incidents.

You show yours first.  You've already been called on your missile information being incorrect.  I think we already know where this one is going.

And how long ago was this?  The US currently has right around 122k troops in Iraq.  This is up from a year or so ago.  Estimates of Blackwater personell in country vary dramatically, from 44,000 through nearly 200,000.  The numbers I put the most faith in say around 135,000 operatives.  This is debatable, but not winnable, since neither Blackwater nor the US government feels inclined to disclose accurate numbers for obvious reasons.

My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?
Shut up you Manchurian candidate
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 10:29:01 AM
Shut up you Manchurian candidate

Are you calling me Bruce Willis?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 09, 2008, 10:30:43 AM
Shut up you Manchurian candidate

Are you calling me Bruce Willis?
uh... Bruce wasn't in that one...

Sinatra?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 10:33:28 AM
Shut up you Manchurian candidate

Are you calling me Bruce Willis?
uh... Bruce wasn't in that one...

Sinatra?

Oops sorry, I was thinking of a different movie. 

I haven't seen that one. 

Was that a compliment or an insult?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 09, 2008, 10:34:45 AM
Shut up you Manchurian candidate

Are you calling me Bruce Willis?
uh... Bruce wasn't in that one...

Sinatra?
Oops sorry, I was thinking of a different movie. 

I haven't seen that one. 

Was that a compliment or an insult?
Uh... it was an insult. Kinda. It doesn't really fit. I am implying that you were brainwashed. But, as i said... it doesn't really fit. Also... America is my friend.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 10:35:20 AM


My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?

Left wing?  Are you high?  I make Newt look like Mao.  I am so far to the right of the average republican, they think I'm religious.  If I had my way, Welfare, Social Security, Farm Entitlements, all National Endowments, etc. would be phased out ASAP  They are socialist constructs.  If I had my way, every citizen would have a mandatory military stint at 18, and the currently fielded Assault Rifle in thier closet, Israeli/Switzerland style.  The Presidential term would be three years, with only one term allowed, and the congresspeople would get 5 years.  All holders of federal political office would be required to maintain gainful employment, and no one would be allowed to serve in more than one capacity in their lifetime.  That means if you run successfully for the House, you're out in four, and can never hold another federal political position again.  Campaign spending would be limited to around $50,000 for congressional races, and $200,000 for the presidential race.

Now then, I didn't post a link because I looked at about 6, and they were all quite different.  Look for yourself, there is no authority on the subject, the actual numbers are classified.  That's why it's not debatable, there is no good evidence either way.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 10:37:07 AM


My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?

Left wing?  Are you high?  I make Newt look like Mao.  I am so far to the right of the average republican, they think I'm religious.  If I had my way, Welfare, Social Security, Farm Entitlements, all National Endowments, etc. would be phased out ASAP  They are socialist constructs.  If I had my way, every citizen would have a mandatory military stint at 18, and the currently fielded Assault Rifle in thier closet, Israeli/Switzerland style.  The Presidential term would be three years, with only one term allowed, and the congresspeople would get 5 years.  All holders of federal political office would be required to maintain gainful employment, and no one would be allowed to serve in more than one capacity in their lifetime.  That means if you run successfully for the House, you're out in four, and can never hold another federal political position again.  Campaign spending would be limited to around $50,000 for congressional races, and $200,000 for the presidential race.

Now then, I didn't post a link because I looked at about 6, and they were all quite different.  Look for yourself, there is no authority on the subject, the actual numbers are classified.  That's why it's not debatable, there is no good evidence either way.

Explain to me again why we don't like each other.  I now think you may be an Alt of mine.  ;D
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 10:44:27 AM


My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?

Left wing?  Are you high?  I make Newt look like Mao.  I am so far to the right of the average republican, they think I'm religious.  If I had my way, Welfare, Social Security, Farm Entitlements, all National Endowments, etc. would be phased out ASAP  They are socialist constructs.  If I had my way, every citizen would have a mandatory military stint at 18, and the currently fielded Assault Rifle in thier closet, Israeli/Switzerland style.  The Presidential term would be three years, with only one term allowed, and the congresspeople would get 5 years.  All holders of federal political office would be required to maintain gainful employment, and no one would be allowed to serve in more than one capacity in their lifetime.  That means if you run successfully for the House, you're out in four, and can never hold another federal political position again.  Campaign spending would be limited to around $50,000 for congressional races, and $200,000 for the presidential race.

Now then, I didn't post a link because I looked at about 6, and they were all quite different.  Look for yourself, there is no authority on the subject, the actual numbers are classified.  That's why it's not debatable, there is no good evidence either way.

Explain to me again why we don't like each other.  I know think you may be an Alt of mine.  ;D

Who said we don't like one another?  I like you just fine.  You have differing opinions and have thought about them enough to actually annoy me while argueing.  Most people I don't agree with simply wither under my barrage of correct grammer  :P

I automatically liked you because you had the balls to serve.  I have too many authority issues, and would have been drummed out of the Corps within a month for insubordination.

Make no mistake, politically, I feel we should not be in Iraq.  However, if I catch a mutherfucker disrespecting someone who has actually put thier ass on the line over there, they will bleed.  I feel one of America's most embarrassing legacies (right after the destruction of the native nations, the institution of slavery, and sitting on our asses while 12 million Jews were slaughtered) was the way the troops returning from Vietnam were treated.

I oppose the war, but support our troops.

I love my country, but I fear my government.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 11:07:07 AM
Joe Biden and Sarah Palin are both idiots. 

Nuff said.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 09, 2008, 11:12:43 AM
Who said we don't like one another?  I like you just fine.  You have differing opinions and have thought about them enough to actually annoy me while argueing.  Most people I don't agree with simply wither under my barrage of correct grammer  :P

QFI.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 11:18:11 AM
Who said we don't like one another?  I like you just fine.  You have differing opinions and have thought about them enough to actually annoy me while argueing.  Most people I don't agree with simply wither under my barrage of correct grammer  :P

QFI.

Sorry, again, I forget people here don't know me.  If I use a smiley, it's to point out intentional irony.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 12:31:45 PM

Who said we don't like one another?  I like you just fine.  You have differing opinions and have thought about them enough to actually annoy me while argueing.  Most people I don't agree with simply wither under my barrage of correct grammer  :P

Sorry, from a prior post I thought we were on the verge of fistacuffs.

I do my best.  ;D

I automatically liked you because you had the balls to serve.  I have too many authority issues, and would have been drummed out of the Corps within a month for insubordination.

You should see my fitness reports, and I don't mean how fast I can run, or how many pull-ups I can do.  Might be the reason I haven't been promoted in 7 years.  ;)


Make no mistake, politically, I feel we should not be in Iraq.  However, if I catch a mutherfucker disrespecting someone who has actually put thier ass on the line over there, they will bleed.  I feel one of America's most embarrassing legacies (right after the destruction of the native nations, the institution of slavery, and sitting on our asses while 12 million Jews were slaughtered) was the way the troops returning from Vietnam were treated.

I will admit.  I am not 100% sure we should still be there.  I do agree 100% we needed to go there to begin with though.

I oppose the war, but support our troops.

Cool.  Just remember the best way to support the troops is to keep those care packages coming.  They love those.

I love my country, but I fear my government.

Amen brother, Amen.  Even though I work for the viscous bastards.  ;D
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 09, 2008, 12:38:42 PM
get a room.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 12:43:32 PM
get a room.

I admit, I am starting to get a little gay on Wardogg.  I'll bet he's all muscley and high and tight.

Did I just type that?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 12:44:26 PM
get a room.

I admit, I am starting to get a little gay on Wardogg.  I'll bet he's all muscley and high and tight.

Did I just type that?

No, I did.  I'm telepathic.   ;)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 09, 2008, 12:45:52 PM
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who's all gay for Wardogg.

I bet he likes to take charge.  *swoon*
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Jesus Crotch on October 09, 2008, 12:47:31 PM
get a room.

I admit, I am starting to get a little gay on Wardogg.  I'll bet he's all muscley and high and tight.

Did I just type that?

No, I did.  I'm telepathic.   ;)

OK, whoever believes in telekenisis, raise my hand!
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 09, 2008, 12:48:10 PM
*raises GodDelusion's hand*
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 09, 2008, 12:48:31 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 12:48:49 PM
OK, whoever believes in telekenisis, raise my hand!

I said telepathic dammit.  Get it right!  >:(
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 09, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
I love you Moonlit. i feel closer to you than anyone before you.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 12:52:56 PM
I love you Moonlit. i feel closer to you than anyone before you.

 >:( You're a liar.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 09, 2008, 12:55:10 PM
I love you Moonlit. i feel closer to you than anyone before you.

 >:( You're a liar.

That's right, he'll only break your heart like he did with Raist.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 01:03:12 PM
get a room.

I admit, I am starting to get a little gay on Wardogg.  I'll bet he's all muscley and high and tight.

Did I just type that?

No, I did.  I'm telepathic.   ;)

So far I have 2 dudes and a married chick swooning over me.  Impressive. 

Don't make me post pictures of me in my Dress Blues.   ;)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 01:04:47 PM
get a room.

I admit, I am starting to get a little gay on Wardogg.  I'll bet he's all muscley and high and tight.

Did I just type that?

No, I did.  I'm telepathic.   ;)

So far I have 2 dudes and a married chick swooning over me.  Impressive. 

Don't make me post pictures of me in my Dress Blues.   ;)

Dress Blues are hawt.  And I didn't say I was swooning over you.  I just said I made GodDelusion say that.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 09, 2008, 01:06:56 PM
WarDogg is a delicate flower.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 01:10:46 PM
get a room.

I admit, I am starting to get a little gay on Wardogg.  I'll bet he's all muscley and high and tight.

Did I just type that?

No, I did.  I'm telepathic.   ;)

So far I have 2 dudes and a married chick swooning over me.  Impressive. 

Don't make me post pictures of me in my Dress Blues.   ;)

Dress Blues are hawt.  And I didn't say I was swooning over you.  I just said I made GodDelusion say that.

Dammit, so now I'm just down to 2 dudes.  Oh well.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 01:12:48 PM
Dress Blues are hawt.  >:(

this was a subtle hint
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 01:15:35 PM
So you are secretly swooning then.  ;)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 01:16:10 PM
So you are secretly swooning then.  ;)

Not till I see the dress blues. 
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 01:22:03 PM
Here is me and missus.

(http://a231.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/46/l_771104a5e878f1665fe1e9e9e865110e.jpg)

Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on October 09, 2008, 01:24:53 PM
I'm not swooning
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 09, 2008, 01:25:32 PM
*secretly swoons*
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 01:25:52 PM
I'm not swooning

I know, you still haven't gotten over the fact that I am not a Pacific Blue Marlin.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Wendy on October 09, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
Here is me and missus.

*pic*



I'd hit it.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on October 09, 2008, 01:48:08 PM
I'm not swooning

I know, you still haven't gotten over the fact that I am not a Pacific Blue Marlin.

Yeah :(
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 09, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
When you interview for a job, here is a hint: make sure you know what the job is. Joe Biden failed that test last Thursday. He couldn’t even get right what a vice president does, but the media didn’t notice.

Irony. (http://)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 08:45:38 PM
When you interview for a job, here is a hint: make sure you know what the job is. Joe Biden failed that test last Thursday. He couldn’t even get right what a vice president does, but the media didn’t notice.

Irony. (http://)

Welcome to 9 pages ago.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 09, 2008, 08:54:36 PM
Well then, let's not forget it.  ;D
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 09, 2008, 08:57:48 PM
Well then, let's not forget it.  ;D

I promise.  I will not.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 09, 2008, 08:59:54 PM
So we're agreed then, Biden  >  Palin?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 10, 2008, 10:51:17 AM
So we're agreed then, Biden  >  Palin?
No

 Palin -1000 IQ points = Biden
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 10, 2008, 10:58:04 AM
So we're agreed then, Biden  >  Palin?
No

 Palin -1000 IQ points = Biden

WardoggKC130FE + Palin < Biden
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: divito the truthist on October 10, 2008, 11:12:14 AM
WardoggKC130FE + Palin < Biden

Ahah.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 10, 2008, 11:16:19 AM
So we're agreed then, Biden  >  Palin?
No

 Palin -1000 IQ points = Biden

WardoggKC130FE + Palin < Biden

Wardogg + Palin = Beauty Queen sex
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 10, 2008, 11:20:21 AM
So we're agreed then, Biden  >  Palin?
No

 Palin -1000 IQ points = Biden

WardoggKC130FE + Palin < Biden

Wardogg + Palin = Retarted Monkey Butt Sex

Fixed. 

Edit: I'm really just kidding.  I may not always agree with you WarDogg but you seem like a nice guy.  So don't take anything I say seriously unless I'm serious.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 10, 2008, 11:30:12 AM
Good fix. 


Butt sex is bad MMmmkay?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Moonlit on October 10, 2008, 11:33:47 AM
Lol.  I like the one where he got high and his head was a giant baloon. 
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Wendy on October 10, 2008, 12:59:11 PM
So we're agreed then, Biden  >  Palin?
No

 Palin -1000 IQ points = Biden

Palin + 1000 IQ points < average person. What is your point? The VP doesn't rule the free world. Unless you count Palin, who will get the post when McCain dies. ::)
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 10, 2008, 01:00:49 PM
So we're agreed then, Biden  >  Palin?
No

 Palin -1000 IQ points = Biden

Palin + 1000 IQ points < average person. What is your point? The VP doesn't rule the free world. Unless you count Palin, who will get the post when McCain dies. ::)

Thats what I have been saying all along.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Wendy on October 10, 2008, 01:02:38 PM
So why do you get fired up when someone insults your precious mylf?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on October 10, 2008, 01:04:05 PM
So why do you get fired up when someone insults your precious mylf?

I don't get fired up unless they are using it as an excuse to vote for Obama.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Wendy on October 10, 2008, 01:05:52 PM
I don't need an excuse if I go to vote. I have a reason, which is that McCain, with Palin after him, is an idiot, and that his politics don't work. Either way, you don't need to worry about me. I'm not a citizen.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 10, 2008, 01:43:24 PM
You can thank Dick Cheney for the scrutiny Palin is getting... plus the fact that she's such a dumb ass.  She doesn't have 1000 IQ points to spare.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: theonlydann on October 10, 2008, 01:46:56 PM
Don'tcha know gosh darnnit?

I don't need an excuse to not vote for what has to be the most p0athetic excuse for a Presidential ticket since... erm... crap. I don't know many before my time. Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro?
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Wendy on October 10, 2008, 01:48:10 PM
She doesn't have 1000 IQ points to spare.

PROTIP: No one has 1000 IQ points to spare, don't waste your own or anyone else's.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 10, 2008, 01:50:17 PM
Yeah, I already knew that.  I was just going along with WarDogg's little equation.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Wendy on October 10, 2008, 01:51:22 PM
Me too. I'd like to see someone going 900 points below 0 IQ, though.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 10, 2008, 01:53:36 PM
Have you seen any clips of Sarah Palin speaking?  She may have already accomplished that!
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Saddam Hussein on October 11, 2008, 07:40:57 PM
Don'tcha know gosh darnnit?

I don't need an excuse to not vote for what has to be the most p0athetic excuse for a Presidential ticket since... erm... crap. I don't know many before my time. Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro?

QFT
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: sammo93 on November 10, 2008, 08:28:22 AM
I agree. I went to America for a week, and it was pretty awful.

It doesn't matter who has the "prettiest" country. All that matters in the end is who can kick who's ass.

Tom Bishop was and is right in his comment about what matters.

You may not like it but look at history. The war lord or nation who had the largest army, best weapons, best fighters always won over others. The morality of their cause had nothing to do with who won. Their strength or lack of it was the determining factor. And I am particularly glad that a clear thinker like Tom Bishop recently won his election.  We need more people who are clear thinkers and not the loony "pie in the sky" sort that are in abundance today.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on November 10, 2008, 08:33:23 AM
I agree. I went to America for a week, and it was pretty awful.

It doesn't matter who has the "prettiest" country. All that matters in the end is who can kick who's ass.

Tom Bishop was and is right in his comment about what matters.

You may not like it but look at history. The war lord or nation who had the largest army, best weapons, best fighters always won over others. The morality of their cause had nothing to do with who won. Their strength or lack of it was the determining factor. And I am particularly glad that a clear thinker like Tom Bishop recently won his election.  We need more people who are clear thinkers and not the loony "pie in the sky" sort that are in abundance today.

Yes, let's not progress into a clean, peaceful future, let's just keep mass murdering people.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Wendy on November 10, 2008, 08:34:33 AM
Well hey, it keeps overcrowding somehow managable.
Title: Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
Post by: Parsifal on November 10, 2008, 09:06:40 AM
Well hey, it keeps overcrowding somehow managable.

Communism keeps crime rates down, but you don't hear Americans supporting it. Americans aren't looking for a system that works, they're looking for a way that they don't have to adapt to a new environment because they're happy living in their own little square.