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Title: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: svenanders on September 29, 2008, 03:13:06 AM
Quote from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080929/sc_space/spacexsuccessfullylaunchesfalcon1rocketintoorbit

After three consecutive failures, a private spaceflight firm's Falcon 1 rocket successfully blasted into space late Sunday to become the first privately built liquid-fueled booster to reach orbit.


Well, this only means that SpaceX is part of teh conspiracy as well, right?

Read more here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080929/sc_space/spacexsuccessfullylaunchesfalcon1rocketintoorbit
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 03:13:51 AM
SpaceX is a Government Contractor. They claim to be putting up satellites fro the Pentagon.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 03:34:36 AM
SpaceX is a Government Contractor. They claim to be putting up satellites for the Pentagon.

Fixed.

So, the evil overlords of NASA are (allegedly) fooling the government into funding a fake space program for their own profit - and now private companies are starting to to copy that idea? Or are you saying that dealing with the government makes them conspirators, therefore implying that the US goverment is part of the conspiracy - which would in turn defeat the whole money-gaining motive of the cospiracy?

The former is far-fetched conjecture, the latter makes no sense. Which is it?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: minger on September 29, 2008, 07:26:19 AM
I registered just to comment on this. SpaceX has a video starting at takeoff and uncut all the way into space. The video clearly shows the curvature of the Earth in the background.

I know that this video can be faked among all the other videos that have been posted, but people witnessed this vehicle taking off, seen it going up, and the footage matches.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: ghazwozza on September 29, 2008, 07:31:53 AM
SpaceX is a Government Contractor. They claim to be putting up satellites fro the Pentagon.

So the Pentagon is in it now as well? All 92,000 employees, or just the top brass? I though it was just the top 3 blokes at NASA. Since when did SpaceX and the Pentagon join the conspiracy?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Rig Navigator on September 29, 2008, 08:07:50 AM
So the Pentagon is in it now as well? All 92,000 employees, or just the top brass? I though it was just the top 3 blokes at NASA. Since when did SpaceX and the Pentagon join the conspiracy?

Don't forget the executives at Northrup-Grumman, Boeing, and the airlines.

We should really maintain a thread that has all of these people listed.  Maybe it should be stickied so people can reference it.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 08:10:54 AM
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I though it was just the top 3 blokes at NASA.

3 blokes at NASA? ???

NASA employs federal contractors to build their equipment and put up their satellites. NASA doesn't really do anything. NASA is comprised of administrators and managers who direct and manage the activities of those contractors. All of their engineers are employed by contractors. SpaceX is also a NASA contractor.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Rig Navigator on September 29, 2008, 08:20:32 AM
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I though it was just the top 3 blokes at NASA.

3 blokes at NASA? ???

OK, it does add up to six, but the first number mentioned is three...

The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium

Okay. There has been way too many threads asking about the same damned question, and too many people saying that the governments can't pull together a conspiracy as such, and what not. This will conclusively prove that it is entirely plausible, profitable and, hopefully, probable. Expect me to reference this any time you ask a stupid question about the conspiracy again.

Who DOES Need to Know:
NASA -- Okay, so the top three (at most) need to know, we'll say. These are the guys who actually are controlling the conspiracy, and maybe some of the profit is divided amongst them, but they don't need to be bribed to shut their mouths, and thus have no leverage amongst the others. If we say about three other people in NASA know about it, who are helping with image editing, video editing, and general coverage, but working closely with the top three.


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NASA employs federal contractors to build their equipment and put up their satellites. NASA doesn't really do anything. NASA is comprised of administrators and managers who direct and manage the activities of those contractors. All of their engineers are employed by contractors. SpaceX is also a NASA contractor.

Who is the contractor responsible for the launch and recovery of the Space Shuttle?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: minger on September 29, 2008, 08:25:43 AM
I registered just to comment on this. SpaceX has a video starting at takeoff and uncut all the way into space. The video clearly shows the curvature of the Earth in the background.

I know that this video can be faked among all the other videos that have been posted, but people witnessed this vehicle taking off, seen it going up, and the footage matches.

Can anyone answer my question without bringing up governmental conspiracies?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Rig Navigator on September 29, 2008, 08:35:36 AM
Can anyone answer my question without bringing up governmental conspiracies?

Probably not. 

You see, for FE to be correct spaceflight is impossible, ergo, anything that violates the impossibility of spaceflight must be faked by the conspiracy.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 12:13:23 PM
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OK, it does add up to six, but the first number mentioned is three...

I didn't write up the the Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium

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Who is the contractor responsible for the launch and recovery of the Space Shuttle?

There are lots of contractors who do that. Lockheed Space Operations is one of the bigger ones, for example.

But the Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium is right in one thing: Not everyone in those contracting companies needs to know what they're doing, or that space travel is impossible, or that the earth is flat. And if some of the people who have hands on with recovering the shuttle do need to know that something's up, they can just be told that they're participating in a limited hoax with a specific technology. And if they decide to talk, they already know that the government will prosecute them under a military court and swiftly send them to Guantanamo for reasons of National Security.

The Government has some pretty hard consequences for anyone thinking they can leak sensitive or classified material. No one leaks Top Secret information because they already know that their life would be over afterwords. And in the case of NASA, they already know that no one would believe them even if they did start claiming that man couldn't get to space.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 12:34:28 PM
So the government is part of the conspiracy. Motive?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 12:40:36 PM
So the government is part of the conspiracy. Motive?

Read the FAQ.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 12:48:15 PM
So the government is part of the conspiracy. Motive?

Read the FAQ.


Been there, done that. Are there two of you or something? You should seriously check yourself for consistency. In some threads you claim that NASA is bullshitting the government into providing funds for a fake space program, then in others you claim that the government is involved in the conspiracy. So which is it?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: ghazwozza on September 29, 2008, 12:50:52 PM
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Who is the contractor responsible for the launch and recovery of the Space Shuttle?

There are lots of contractors who do that. Lockheed Space Operations is one of the bigger ones, for example.

Where is your proof that this is done by contractors?

Seconfly, how many contractors are there? Why have no disgruntled employees leaked information of a conspiracy (via wikileaks, for example)?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 12:51:34 PM
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Been there, done that. Are there two of you or something? You should seriously check yourself for consistency. In some threads you claim that NASA is bullshitting the government into providing funds for a fake space program, then in others you claim that the government is involved in the conspiracy. So which is it?

NASA is part of the government dumbshit.

NASA has access to all of the government's lawyers and all of its resources. NASA isn't a non-government entity. NASA isn't a private entity. NASA is firmly a part of the government (specifically the military), which is why they have a .gov at the end of their url.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 12:54:36 PM
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Where is your proof that this is done by contractors?

That's what NASA claims publicly.

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Seconfly, how many contractors are there? Why have no disgruntled employees leaked information of a conspiracy (via wikileaks, for example)?

No one leaks Top Secret information because they already know that their life would be over afterwords. And in the case of NASA, they already know that no one would believe them even if they did start claiming that man couldn't get to space.

Also, there are people on the internet who claim to be former agents who have elaborate stories about NASA being a hoax. There's a lot of information on TNFES if you're interested in the material.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: markjo on September 29, 2008, 12:55:24 PM
NASA is part of the government dumbshit.

You may want to watch the language, Tom.  The mods are starting to crack down on that sort of thing in the serious discussion threads.  We wouldn't want you getting banned.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: ghazwozza on September 29, 2008, 12:57:29 PM
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Seconfly, how many contractors are there? Why have no disgruntled employees leaked information of a conspiracy (via wikileaks, for example)?

No one leaks Top Secret information because they already know that their life would be over afterwords.

That's why I mentioned Wikileaks. It gives anonymity to whistleblowers. So I ask again -- why has no-one leaked info about the conspiracy?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 01:01:38 PM
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That's why I mentioned Wikileaks. It gives anonymity to whistleblowers. So I ask again -- why has no-one leaked info about the conspiracy?

There have been anonymous people who have claimed that NASA is a fraudulent entity and a hoax. They have elaborate stories about it. Go over to TNFES for more information and read this thread in its entirety: http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=424.0
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 01:02:45 PM
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Been there, done that. Are there two of you or something? You should seriously check yourself for consistency. In some threads you claim that NASA is bullshitting the government into providing funds for a fake space program, then in others you claim that the government is involved in the conspiracy. So which is it?

NASA is part of the government dumbshit.

NASA has access to all of the government's lawyers and all of its resources. NASA isn't a non-government entity. NASA isn't a private entity. NASA is firmly a part of the government (specifically the military), which is why they have a .gov at the end of their url.


Trolling and arguing semantics.  ::)

Congress is also part of the US government. So if the top brass at NASA is faking a space program in order to recieve funds from the congress, they are essentially bullshitting the US government.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 01:04:43 PM
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Congress is also part of the US government. So if the top brass at NASA is faking a space program in order to recieve funds from the congress, they are essentially bullshitting the US government.

Did you think that the entirety of the government's agencies, departments, and organizations were all in on it?  ???
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: markjo on September 29, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
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Congress is also part of the US government. So if the top brass at NASA is faking a space program in order to recieve funds from the congress, they are essentially bullshitting the US government.

Did you think that the entirety of the government's agencies, departments, and organizations were all in on it?  ???

Well, the GAO must be in on it too.  How else could NASA have survived so many audits?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 01:21:27 PM
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Congress is also part of the US government. So if the top brass at NASA is faking a space program in order to recieve funds from the congress, they are essentially bullshitting the US government.

Did you think that the entirety of the government's agencies, departments, and organizations were all in on it?  ???

I quote from the FAQ:

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Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: A Conspiracy among world Governments claiming to have space programs has disseminated the lie to the other governments of the world, as well as to the media and the general public.

The FAQ makes it clear that "world governments" are part of the conspiracy. If, as you are implying, only certain portions of these governments (mainly their space agencies) are involved in the conspiracy, it cannot be said that there is a conspiracy "among world governments" or that the governments are "disseminating lies". The FAQ does not make it clear that only specific portions of the governments are involved.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 29, 2008, 01:31:12 PM
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Congress is also part of the US government. So if the top brass at NASA is faking a space program in order to recieve funds from the congress, they are essentially bullshitting the US government.

Did you think that the entirety of the government's agencies, departments, and organizations were all in on it?  ???

I quote from the FAQ:

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Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: A Conspiracy among world Governments claiming to have space programs has disseminated the lie to the other governments of the world, as well as to the media and the general public.

The FAQ makes it clear that "world governments" are part of the conspiracy. If, as you are implying, only certain portions of these governments (mainly their space agencies) are involved in the conspiracy, it cannot be said that there is a conspiracy "among world governments" or that the governments are "disseminating lies". The FAQ does not make it clear that only specific portions of the governments are involved.


It also doesn't claim that any governments as a whole are in on it.  It only identifies governments as being in on the Conspiracy.  There's no contradiction here.

Also,
Quote from: FAQ
In addition, please note that the FAQ should be considered a starting point.  It addresses many questions those new to FET have about the theory but in no way represents a comprehensive, all-encompassing view of the theory.  It should also be noted that not all points in the FAQ are necessarily agreed on by all FE proponents.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on September 29, 2008, 01:36:38 PM
SpaceX is a Government Contractor. They claim to be putting up satellites fro the Pentagon.

NASA is sponsoring them, however according to their page they do not take part in the development of the rocket or the launch. 

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Usually, the space agency issues detailed requirements and specifications for its flight hardware and it takes ownership of any vehicles and associated infrastructure that a contractor produces. For COTS, NASA specified only high level goals and objectives instead of detailed requirements where possible, and left its industry partners responsible for decisions about design, development, certification and operation of the transportation system. Because NASA has a limited amount of money to invest, it encouraged the partners to obtain private financing for their projects and it left them free to market the new space transportation services to others.

This model for pursuing of commercial space services is another first for NASA and a reflection on the growing maturing of commercial space capabilities. "This is not a traditional NASA procurement or program. We could change the economics of space flight with this," said Lindenmoyer, whose office oversees COTS. NASA expects use of this model to increase over time as the exploration program unfolds, potentially extending to the provision of power, communications, and habitation facilities by commercial entities.

this is from: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/news/COTS_selection.html

Now, how does NASA profit from giving private companies millions of dollars to sponsor the development and launching of private spacecraft when they can't get to space anyway?

NASA Cone head: "Hey SpaceX, how would you like to make 500 million?"
SpaceX dumbass:  "Hell yeah, what do I do?"
NASA Cone head:  "We will give you 500 million dollars to build a fake space craft, then fake a launch"
SpaceX dumbass:  "That sounds great, after we pay for the parts for the faked space craft, and the labor for our engineers to design and build the thing, a fake testing plan, graphics and special effects employees for the video and photographs, then pay off all those people to not speak about it. (500+ employees at SpaceX).  I'm sure we could just pocket a few mil, and hide it from our families and the IRS.  Then the pentagon will pay us to send up satellites (that we don't really have because we faked it).  Wow there is a lot of profit in that.
NASA Cone head:  Exactly, we will all be millionaires.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 01:43:10 PM
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The FAQ makes it clear that "world governments" are part of the conspiracy. If, as you are implying, only certain portions of these governments (mainly their space agencies) are involved in the conspiracy, it cannot be said that there is a conspiracy "among world governments" or that the governments are "disseminating lies".

So you thought that Sam the Mailman, a government employee, was "in" on the Conspiracy?  ???
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
I've been asking for a more complete source of information for a while now. People get directed to the FAQ every day, but all it contains are a few ambiguous snippets of pseudo-information that may or may not be relevant to the discussion at hand and may or may not represent the view of a majority of FE'ers. I won't even go into the whole circular logic thing, but this post pretty much sums it up:

Do not touch the faq.

Until you understand it, you can not modify it.

Seriously read the faq with an unbiased eye, knowing what you do about tfes, then realize it is perfect. It trolled all of you.


All things considered, getting pointed to the FAQ (especially by Tom Bishop) is usually a cue that sensible debate is now over and one of three things will now commence:

1. Trolling / name calling.
2. Arguing semantics.
3. Thread derailing.

The whole FET "discussion" is a lot of fun until you realize what's really going on...
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 01:47:09 PM
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The FAQ makes it clear that "world governments" are part of the conspiracy. If, as you are implying, only certain portions of these governments (mainly their space agencies) are involved in the conspiracy, it cannot be said that there is a conspiracy "among world governments" or that the governments are "disseminating lies".

So you thought that Sam the Mailman, a government employee, was "in" on the Conspiracy?  ???

Upgrading from Tom's Blatantly Obvious Troll Tactics TM to Tom's Slightly More Subtle Troll Tactics TM isn't much of an improvement. I won't indulge you by answering that question.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 29, 2008, 02:03:08 PM
MadDog, please stop trolling in the debate/questions forums.  This is your warning.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 29, 2008, 02:16:33 PM
NASA is part of the government dumbshit.

Tom, be nice.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 02:21:55 PM
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The FAQ makes it clear that "world governments" are part of the conspiracy. If, as you are implying, only certain portions of these governments (mainly their space agencies) are involved in the conspiracy, it cannot be said that there is a conspiracy "among world governments" or that the governments are "disseminating lies".

So you thought that Sam the Mailman, a government employee, was "in" on the Conspiracy?  ???

No, I have no reason to. Nevertheless, the information in the FAQ is too ambiguous to imply that any specific part of a government should not be "in" on the Conspiracy. When referring to "the government", one would assume that either the government in its entirety or its central elements are implied, unless specified otherwise.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 29, 2008, 02:35:59 PM
I agree with you.  The FAQ needs to be updated.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: markjo on September 29, 2008, 02:37:18 PM
I agree with you.  The FAQ needs to be updated.

How much do you want to bet that it won't be?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: ghazwozza on September 29, 2008, 02:37:38 PM
I agree with you.  The FAQ needs to be updated.

And who better than the "Global Moderator"?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on September 29, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
Back onto subject, one of the points of this whole thing is to promote a market for private space exploration, which is being sponsored by NASA.  Why would they be paying millions for companies to do this if it's impossible, and what is the profit of letting all these companies in on the conspiracy, when its NASA paying them?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
Back onto subject, one of the points of this whole thing is to promote a market for private space exploration, which is being sponsored by NASA.  Why would they be paying millions for companies to do this if it's impossible, and what is the profit of letting all these companies in on the conspiracy, when its NASA paying them?

Hmmm... difficult. NASA could be promoting the commercialisation of space travel in order to "expand the market", so to speak. Not sure if that makes sense, but it will surely pop up as a pro FE argument.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 29, 2008, 02:50:58 PM
I registered just to comment on this. SpaceX has a video starting at takeoff and uncut all the way into space. The video clearly shows the curvature of the Earth in the background.

And then your comment failed.  The "curvature" of the earth you see is actually the round spotlight of the sun shinning down on the flat earth surface.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on September 29, 2008, 02:57:12 PM
Back onto subject, one of the points of this whole thing is to promote a market for private space exploration, which is being sponsored by NASA.  Why would they be paying millions for companies to do this if it's impossible, and what is the profit of letting all these companies in on the conspiracy, when its NASA paying them?

Hmmm... difficult. NASA could be promoting the commercialisation of space travel in order to "expand the market", so to speak. Not sure if that makes sense, but it will surely pop up as a pro FE argument.

In addition, these things are going to have to get patented, and other companies may buy these spacecrafts on the free market for their own space ventures instead of making their own.  That would happen without NASA's help.  Since it may happen in countries other than the US.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on September 29, 2008, 03:02:34 PM
Hmmm... difficult. NASA could be promoting the commercialisation of space travel in order to "expand the market", so to speak. Not sure if that makes sense, but it will surely pop up as a pro FE argument.

Another thing, I do not see any way for NASA to profit from an expansion of the market.  NASA gets their budget from congress, they are not a business that sells a product.  They are giving these companies money for these projects.  Companies are in the business of making profit, I suppose they could pocket some of the money left over from NASA (After paying everybody off).  However, that would mean that they only make a profit from NASA?  Because what product are they offering the consumer?  "hey we just sent a rocket into space, you wanna pay us for that?"

That does not equal longevity for a company, if they are reliant on NASA for profits, but can offer nothing in return.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: MadDogX on September 29, 2008, 03:04:32 PM
Hmmm... difficult. NASA could be promoting the commercialisation of space travel in order to "expand the market", so to speak. Not sure if that makes sense, but it will surely pop up as a pro FE argument.

Another thing, I do not see any way for NASA to profit from an expansion of the market.  NASA gets their budget from congress, they are not a business that sells a product.  They are giving these companies money for these projects.  Companies are in the business of making profit, I suppose they could pocket some of the money left over from NASA (After paying everybody off).  However, that would mean that they only make a profit from NASA?  Because what product are they offering the consumer?  "hey we just sent a rocket into space, you wanna pay us for that?"

That does not equal longevity for a company, if they are reliant on NASA for profits, but can offer nothing in return.

Like I said, I'm not sure if that made sense. I was simply implying that they will find a way to incorporate SpaceX into the conspiracy, so there's no point even going down that road.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: zamadatix on September 29, 2008, 03:44:27 PM
but if NASA is part of the government and they are all on it why not just keep the money (the people already working there) to themselves instead of splitting funds and dividing it up amongst more people?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on September 29, 2008, 04:05:35 PM
but if NASA is part of the government and they are all on it why not just keep the money (the people already working there) to themselves instead of splitting funds and dividing it up amongst more people?

That was one point I was trying to make, but also, why would any company agree to this?  They don't really have a product they can market to consumers because they are being funded to make something that is fake right?  Sure they could take some profit off of what NASA gives them, but why when they could develop an actual product to market to people and make billions.

It just sounds stupid to me, kinda like when Dr. Evil said:  "Why make billions when we could make.....millions?"

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg)
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Jack on September 29, 2008, 04:42:05 PM
NASA is part of the government dumbshit.
You used to be funny with these occasional bullshits. Now, you're just getting more and more unoriginal.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on September 29, 2008, 04:45:43 PM
This is interesting, from wikipedia: 

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SpaceX was founded in June 2002 by Musk who has invested $100 million of his own money as of March 2006. On August 4, 2008 SpaceX accepted a further $20 million investment from the Founders Fund.[1]

SpaceX had 160 employees in November 2005 and more than 500 by July 2008.[2] [3] The launch crew in the Marshall Islands has 25 people with 6 in mission control. This small number, compared to similar space launch companies is part of Musk's design to reduce costs. Musk believes the high prices of other space-launch services are driven in part by unnecessary bureaucracy. He's stated that one of his goals is to improve the cost and reliability of access to space, ultimately by a factor of ten.

In January 2005, SpaceX bought a 10% stake in Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd.

That is a lot of money to invest into something that you can't market to anybody.

EDIT:  here's the link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 29, 2008, 05:16:29 PM
I agree with you.  The FAQ needs to be updated.

And who better than the "Global Moderator"?

I'll see what I can do.  I don't want to just go in and overhaul the whole thing.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 29, 2008, 05:18:24 PM
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That is a lot of money to invest into something that you can't market to anybody.

What makes you think that they're investing it?
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Rig Navigator on September 30, 2008, 12:00:43 AM
What makes you think that they're investing it?

The payments of money to purchase stock?  That is typical way that companies demonstrate investments in another company.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 30, 2008, 01:15:47 AM
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The payments of money to purchase stock?  That is typical way that companies demonstrate investments in another company.

What's the point of investing millions of dollars in a company whose only product is a few photoshops and fake videos?  ???
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: markjo on September 30, 2008, 05:33:02 AM
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The payments of money to purchase stock?  That is typical way that companies demonstrate investments in another company.

What's the point of investing millions of dollars in a company whose only product is a few photoshops and fake videos?  ???

Maybe you should sick the SEC on them, Tom.  Sounds like a serious case of investor fraud.

Edit: Never mind, doesn't look like they went public yet.  Still, they are obviously defrauding someone if their only actual products are "a few photoshops and fake videos".
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Rig Navigator on September 30, 2008, 06:20:01 AM
What's the point of investing millions of dollars in a company whose only product is a few photoshops and fake videos?  ???

Well, Disney bought Pixar to make movies, but somehow, I don't think that is the type of investment you are referring to.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: Marcus Aurelius on September 30, 2008, 07:57:20 AM
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The payments of money to purchase stock?  That is typical way that companies demonstrate investments in another company.

What's the point of investing millions of dollars in a company whose only product is a few photoshops and fake videos?  ???

Sounds like evidence against the conspiracy to me.  So I ask you the same question.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: minger on September 30, 2008, 08:45:13 AM
I registered just to comment on this. SpaceX has a video starting at takeoff and uncut all the way into space. The video clearly shows the curvature of the Earth in the background.

And then your comment failed.  The "curvature" of the earth you see is actually the round spotlight of the sun shinning down on the flat earth surface.

I don't think that the 'spotlight' is so sharp. Where I live it takes a couple of hours to go from light to dark. That would mean that there should be a diffusion or blending zone. If there is more Earth past that point, then it should blend evenly into it; it shouldn't go from completely white to completely black.

Also, as the vehicle spins, the curvature should distort as the perspective changes. If I'm looking at a circular plate at an angle, it appears as a "flatter" ellipse. As I twist around my own axis, the minor and major axis should rotate showing "lobes" in the plate.

However, the "curvature" remains constant indicating that the curvature from any point to the horizon remains constant.
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: zamadatix on September 30, 2008, 02:38:53 PM
think of the diffusion this way, earth is a sphere with VERY little light not coming from the sun. The atmosphere is incredibly thin compared to what us RE say the earth's diameter is. so if you only count the sun as the only important source of light in this scenario and the thickness of the atmosphere is added into it he equation the earths diffusion line shouldn't appear to large
Title: Re: SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 1 Rocket Into Orbit
Post by: minger on October 02, 2008, 08:59:30 AM
I registered just to comment on this. SpaceX has a video starting at takeoff and uncut all the way into space. The video clearly shows the curvature of the Earth in the background.

And then your comment failed.  The "curvature" of the earth you see is actually the round spotlight of the sun shinning down on the flat earth surface.
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I don't think that the 'spotlight' is so sharp. Where I live it takes a couple of hours to go from light to dark. That would mean that there should be a diffusion or blending zone. If there is more Earth past that point, then it should blend evenly into it; it shouldn't go from completely white to completely black.

Also, as the vehicle spins, the curvature should distort as the perspective changes. If I'm looking at a circular plate at an angle, it appears as a "flatter" ellipse. As I twist around my own axis, the minor and major axis should rotate showing "lobes" in the plate.

However, the "curvature" remains constant indicating that the curvature from any point to the horizon remains constant.