2 Thessalonians.2:[3]Let no one deceive you in any way. For unless the apostasy comes first and the LAWLESS one is revealed, the one doomed to perdition, [4] who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god and object of worship, so as to seat himself in the temple of God, claiming that he is a god.
The Falling Away.
2 Thessalonians.2:[3]Let no one deceive you in any way. For unless the apostasy comes first and the LAWLESS one is revealed, the one doomed to perdition, [4] who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god and object of worship, so as to seat himself in the temple of God, claiming that he is a god.
Jesus is the LAWLESS one, he sits in Temples (churches) and pretends to be GOD, he abolished the laws given to Moses by Holy GOD, Jesus made himself in that one act GOD
Ephesians.2:[15]abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, that he might create in himself one new person in place of the two, thus establishing peace,
create in himself one new person in place of the two
create in himself one new person in place of the two
Doing away with the Father, doing away with the LAWS and making peace for you, no-more struggling for you between good & evil, between GOD & Devil. There it is folks, it has begun, and do not be frighten it is actually a good thing, GOD will only descend when the Great Falling Away occurs, even the chosen people first fell away from their Egyptian God worship when they realized that the Devil is real and quickly ran back to their beloved CREATOR. How did the chosen people know who to worship for deliverance when their Torah was only written centuries latter? They had the Covenant of GOD made thru Enoch for Mankind. Moses did not write the Covenant, for Noah possessed it in the Ark, he too was part of the Covenant, Moses didn’t build an ark for the Covenant he built one for the commandments because he possessed the Covenant to 'Rapture' the chosen people from Pharaoh and unto the promised land.
Exodus.26:[33]The ark of the commandments you shall bring inside, behind this veil which divides the holy place from the holy of holies.| This was later changed in Deuteronomy to ‘covenant’ the Devil usually fumbles with scriptural underwriting, which by the way was predicted also by my Great teacher Enoch.
The sheep who believe in the LAWLESS one have made their choice, I'm here for the ones who haven't yet, for I too possess the Covenant....
Jesus Some Serious Gays Here
Jesus Some Serious Gays Here
Jesus Some Serious Gays HereUntil you elaborate how to "Jesus" a "Gay" (serious one or not) in this location I will decline by default.
Hi Punisher, honestly the more I read your topics and posts the more I get interested in your knowledge and understanding ^_^
However Jesus Peace be upon him never destroyed the old laws from the Islamic view, also in the Bible there is a verse that exactly matches what the Quran said about the mission of Jesus peace be upon him:
Gospel of Mathew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
As for the above quote, in fact this almost match the prophecy of the Anti-Christ that will come one day,
Hey, punisher, What religion do you practice? or rather, to what religion would you say you belong? I haven't caught which one it is.
but you must do away with that Jesus character for he is the Devil, remember, when we want to know about who someone is we must go to the source.....
For Jesus truly is the Devil fooling billions in thinking that he's GOD
Jesus spoke with a forked tongue. Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"
He is the anti-Christ, Christ means Messiah, Messiah means Savior, the Savior is the Son Of Man, the Son Of Man is the Blesseth Holy Enoch. Look how Jesus excludes the Messiah Enoch, "remember at the TRANSFORMATION of Jesus?" Who showed up? Moses and Elijah.
How did Moses resurrect himself to visit Jesus with Elijah?
BIBLE IS FALSE DOCTRINE, INSPIRED BY THE ANTI-CHRIST.
Book Of Enoch is the True Word of the LORD, you will not find ONE error, ONE lie, ONE contradiction or inconsistency and brother, its not a religion, all religions spawned from this Book and twisted their words to divide us and conquer us, this Book is the Truth, this Book is the Covenant GOD made with us written by the Messiah the Blesseth Holy Enoch....
Yeah and by going back to the source we realized the so called book of God has many contradictions which means it's corrupted and cannot be considered 100% words thus we cannot consider everything.
As I said above, it's not Jesus who fooled billions but it's those who changed his words, added, removed...etc Jesus never and would never said that but the people did for many reasons listed in the Quran and maybe some Christian's historians can tell you of these reasons.
Jesus spoke with a forked tongue. Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"
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Again how this can be proved it's the words of Jesus in a book full of contradictions and contains words of "God, Prophets, Historians?". The bible was written after the incident of Jesus and God can never contradict himself...
Nope he wasn't the Anti-Christ he was the original Christ but people got mis leaded due to some others not Jesus. Messiah means savior but the words came from the word: "Massah" it's like moving hand over something, clear and as you know that language is closest to Arabic they are considered sisters.
How did Moses resurrect himself to visit Jesus with Elijah?
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The question you must ask is what I have asked before, if Moses was dead how he wrote the book?
Just because people corrupted the words of Jesus it doesn't mean he wasn't there and he was the Anti-Christ :)
QuoteBook Of Enoch is the True Word of the LORD, you will not find ONE error, ONE lie, ONE contradiction or inconsistency and brother, its not a religion, all religions spawned from this Book and twisted their words to divide us and conquer us, this Book is the Truth, this Book is the Covenant GOD made with us written by the Messiah the Blesseth Holy Enoch....----------------------------------------------------
It might be but it's not the last words of god because the last word of God or the last revelation was given to Mohammed peace be upon him and that's Quran. The Quran for 14 centuries and after hundreds and thousands of studies to find one mistake they all failed, no contradiction, no mistakes, correcting errors of the old books, proving the contradiction of the old books, proving that Jesus was innocent from what attributes given to him in the Bible and he was Allah's messenger. The Quran corrected all the Scientific errors founded in the Bible and for the next coming centuries no one will get contradiction because the book as promised by Allah is protected by himself and its his responsibility since it's the last book unlike the old books which got corrupted, lost....etc because the responsibility was of humans. Punisher, I invite you to read the Quran.
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Yeah and by going back to the source we realized the so called book of God has many contradictions which means it's corrupted and cannot be considered 100% words thus we cannot consider everything.
This is why everything from the bible should be not considered as inspired or Holy and all characters are subjected to being falsified without exceptions.
Punisher, what is the name of your religion?
This is rather interesting... I have always felt that the bible was the history of human kind. Not to be taken literally but to be respected. I can very easily overlook contradictions as mis-interpretations.
I am certain this video is most likely in high circulation, however I think it is still appropriate to offer an alternative interpretation to Jesus... ( which I am under the impression everyone here is in agreeance that he is a false god )
GOD = Science = Big BangLol.
2Enoch.24:[2]And I bowed down to the Lord
I commanded in the very lowest parts
and Adoil came down very great, and I beheld him
He had a belly of great light
and the Lord spoke to me: Enoch, beloved, all that you see, all things that are standing finished I tell to you even before the very beginning, all that I created from non-being, and visible things from invisible.
2Enoch.24:[2]And I bowed down to the Lord
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Sexual Undertones...
GOD, you hate him for some reason.......
No Sir... If God exists then I respect that. Unfortunately lack of evidence/faith/trust prohibits me from knowing if there is a God or not and which way he/she/it manifests.
For all I know God is my suppressor and not my savior. To be respected either way.
Fixed for the wombles.
2Enoch.24:[2]And I bowed down to the Lord
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Sexual Undertones...
Undertones Overtones faggling free,
the fags of Wimbleton common are we,
buggering and bumming victims we find,
jabbing away at people's behinds!
Also, how the hell is it an insult to call someone female? Except for homophobic high school jocks, I mean.
Also, how the hell is it an insult to call someone female? Except for homophobic high school jocks, I mean.
Because it is, its like me calling you a woman when I can see by your avatar that your a man, do you think you would like if I called you a bitch or a girlie-man? If you're normal probably not. So why would the CREATOR be any different? And you must remember all these people who attribute a female gender to GOD do it purposely and in rebellion towards Him, for they know that GOD is male, because this word "God" came from scriptures and nowhere else but scriptures, and within these scriptures GOD'S gender is revealed when Adam being the first was made in His likeness.
This is why everything from the bible should be not considered as inspired or Holy and all characters are subjected to being falsified without exceptions.
Your making GOD out to be WEAK, is this the same GOD who made the Sun & the Moon? Are we talking about the same GOD that made the Earth, then took some of that piled up dry stuff and pulled Adam out of it? Because if its not we are talking about different Gods, my GOD is the CREATOR, my GOD is powerful enough to protect a little Book.
If he was the Messiah, why did he not establish the Kingdom of GOD for all scriptures point to that when the Messiah (the Christ would appear) there He would make peace with all nations and all inequities disappear, neither shall sin be named there for ever and for ever?
He wrote them before while traveling in the desert placed them with the other Books of Enoch and the commands.
If he was sent by GOD his word would be protected.
This is what your afraid off, this is what you protect the Koran which took characters that by your own admission came from a book that isn't completely true, therefore, partially false, so you now have a Book by Mohammed that contains this name Jesus. What do you do? You tell yourself and others that the bad stuff written about Jesus wasn't from Jesus, that Allah couldn't protect that book, Allah had to re-write a new book. No my brother, GOD does everything ONCE and its perfect, and HE protects that perfection like the Book of Enoch.....
Yeah that's true but we Muslims believe that there was a Prophet called Jesus and he asked the people to worship Allah (Almighty God) alone and he was given a book called "Enjeel" which has been changed over the years by the humans. So some of the God's original words are there while many got changed and corrupted.
RESPONSIBILITY OF GOD to protect it.
God made it clear to Moses and the Jews, see follow the Turah and it's your responsibility to protect it but they failed. The same thing with the Bible or other old books.
Finally when God decided to send the last Prophet and messenger "Prophet Mohammed" he gave him the manual the instruction of life "The Quran" and since this is the last warning and message to humans if this has been changed or corrupted humanity is doomed, that's why the wise Almighty God clarified that this time: "ITS HIS OWN RESPONSIBILITY" to protect his book till the day of judgment. That's why for more than 14 centuries many studies been started to find only 1 SINGLE contradiction or mistake in the Quran HOWEVER THEY ALL FAILED!!!!!! because it's God's protection. Allah said in the Quran
Simply because Jesus wasn't sent to all creations, unlike the last messenger Mohammed peace be Upon him. Jesus was sent to a nation or group of people, like Moses he was sent to people of Israel, like Abraham, Noah...etc while Mohammed was sent to all.
Looool so your admitting that Moses is using a strange language. Moses died and god took him...etc while he was alive, loool Moses was really amazing then ^_^
This is what your afraid off, this is what you protect the Koran which took characters that by your own admission came from a book that isn't completely true, therefore, partially false, so you now have a Book by Mohammed that contains this name Jesus. What do you do? You tell yourself and others that the bad stuff written about Jesus wasn't from Jesus, that Allah couldn't protect that book, Allah had to re-write a new book. No my brother, GOD does everything ONCE and its perfect, and HE protects that perfection like the Book of Enoch.....
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The Book of Enoch already did insulted god by saying he have son and your still saying it's the perfect book? Ask anyone here what should be the "Attributes" of a real "Almighty God" :) while the Quran they never found a mistake, they cannot find it now also and they would never find a single mistake in the coming 1000004056436884832882 years :)
I would like to ask you again, did you read the Quran?
i think you will finf that it does have internal contradictions (the book/disjointed-scriptures of enoch not the Quran)
Enoch 6:7-8 gives a list of 19 angels who lead the fall of man.
Enoch 69:2-3 gives a list of 21 angels who were supposed to be the same group. Not only are there more... the names are nearly entirely different!
not a huge find but it didn't take long
By the way, did you read my posts in the "Free Will" topic about the concept of Free will in my religion? that's why I keep repeating you should read the Quran, just reading few pages where people try to show the Quran supposed to have contradictions is not enough :) read it all.
You can see that I'm a man as much on my avatar as you can see that Osama is a man on his. My avatar is Fred Durst. Also, it says nowhere that God is male in the bible, and the word for 'man' in hebrew is the same as the word for 'human'. Adam was the first human created in the likeness of God, but God saw that mankind wasn't finished, and created Eve to complete humanity. At least, that's what a woman priest told me, when I brought that up.
My friend you like confusion, I don't. If we want to know about Jesus we must go to the source (Bible).
If Allah wasn't able to protect his Word (Bible), Allah was weak in that moment.
Now, because it has been changed, nothing and anything that comes from that book (Bible) including the characters must be dismissed, and one must go further back to an older source for guidance not forwards.
So the all-knowing Allah did not know that men would corrupt scriptures until thousands of years later as the confirmation?
they shall utter falsehood; execute great undertakings; and compose books in their own words. (Bible-Koran)
The gospel of Jesus went forth by the sword like Islam to all nations, read your history...
Why do you call the man who made you "father" but the ONE who made ALL not?
Your God Allah doesn't give you free-will
My friend you like confusion, I don't. If we want to know about Jesus we must go to the source (Bible).
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Your blaming Jesus for a sin he didn't commit? suppose I lived with you 5 years back, I said: "Oh Punisher, Our God is One God" and after 20 years you wrote a book and said: "Oh Humans, AbdulAziz said There are 3 Gods, The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost" can you say it's my fault? or it was my mistake or I am the devil because of a sin I didn't commit? MAN, at least give it some thoughts ^_^
If Allah wasn't able to protect his Word (Bible), Allah was weak in that moment.
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That's because it was the responsibility of the people not the Almighty Allah! How many times I should repeat? I am ready to copy and paste all the time if you want to keep this going but I prefer if you stand and read carefully. If a God by any chance became a weak in any moment he doesn't deserve to be considered almighty god, but too bad my god Allah "THERE IS NOTHING LIKE HIM"
Now, because it has been changed, nothing and anything that comes from that book (Bible) including the characters must be dismissed, and one must go further back to an older source for guidance not forwards.
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That's also wrong, going back to the example I gave earlier, suppose I gave you a book and in that book I said there is only god and I am his servent, then after so many years you changed this book and modified the word "His servent" to "His king" now the first part remain correct that there is only one god but the second part is wrong, does it mean there is nothing right in that book? that's why we Muslims believe that the Turah and the other books have some correct information while it has also the wrong so that's why we cannot depend on this book as a guidance.
So the all-knowing Allah did not know that men would corrupt scriptures until thousands of years later as the confirmation?
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No I never said this, but it's your explanation for what I said. Allah knows everything, he knows when we will all die and will be the day of judgment and all of our decisions...etc
however the same way he created life and death to put us in trial to worship him the same he gave the book to people to test them and on the day of judgment he say: "Didn't I send you a book? didn't I ask you to protect it, didn't I sent Mohammed, Jesus, Noah....etc" why you ignored, changed their teachings...etc in Arabic we call this "Hojja" I don't know the exact English word but it's like a trial and prove.
Allah knew that Jesus would appear and he knew that Christians would follow him, why he would allow such a thing?
Allah gave you the ability to think, the power, the equipments to reach the truth then why you didn't try. That's why in Islam Allah would not punish the Insane
they shall utter falsehood; execute great undertakings; and compose books in their own words. (Bible-Koran)
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No dear, there is nothing wrong in the Quran and no contradictions at all, your welcome to post all your "Supposed Contradiction" here in this topic http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23513.0 but be sure that the words of Allah would suites you >>> " look again, and yet again, thy sight will only return unto thee confused and fatigued, having seen no incongruity."
The gospel of Jesus went forth by the sword like Islam to all nations, read your history...
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The thing is I know my history very well but at the same time I know the history of the major religions of the world including their scriptures :) the all got perished but only one truth would remain till the end of the world
Why do you call the man who made you "father" but the ONE who made ALL not?
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YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS ARE YOU!!!!!!? O_O
THE MOMENT YOU CAN COMPARE A GOD WITH ANYTHING ELSE He is not God. Because the attributes of God shouldn't be like any other, he cannot be compared with anything else if he got compared thats an insult, that's why Allah clearly states several times in the Quran that the people insulting him when they are saying he is having son or calling him father of the angels....etc
"Say `He is ALLAH, the One! ALLAH the Independent and Besought of all. HE begets not, nor, is HE begotten, And there is none like unto HIM."
Your God Allah doesn't give you free-will
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That alone proves you didn't read the Quran, man you should read and try hard focusing while reading :) as for the verse you copied talking about the humans being bad, if he continued being bad he will rapidly be doing these things till his heart becomes black and he would never accept the right way like for example our dear friend "Athalus" :)
"Have WE not given him two eyes, And a tongue and two lips ? And WE have pointed out to him the two highways of good and evil."
There are many other verses proving that he gave us free will... Humans do have free will but it's going exactly as the Almighty God accepted. God gave humans the free will to chose the right or the bad path, he showed him the two ways, he guided humans what is write what is wrong. So now Humans can choose whatever they want and Allah because he is the Just he already gave humans what he chose. Allah already knows what every human will chose, everything about him, what he will be eating, drinking...etc and according to this knowledge before the creation of human who wrote it in the fate, according to the decisions of the human. If Allah didn't give the humans the free will he could have changed their decisions the one who created them can change their ways of life but no god wrote whatever they are choosing. For example if I did bad thing and things that angers my god, because of Allah being just he wrote what I would be doing in the future without changing it, the same thing if I did a good thing, Allah wrongs not anyone even so much as the weight of an atom. In conclusion Humans do have free will and its going according to what is written in fate thanks to Allah's knowledge and just.
only the ethiopian translation was found in full with only fragments of earlier copies for comparison... and the internal contradiction i posted before is entirely true iv fully checked... the book of enoch is regarded as a novelty in theological circles as u are here punisher
You make no sense brother, confusion has gripped you, follow your own train of thought. You're saying Jesus didn't say the bad things in the Bible, nor the contradictions or what Islam perceives as a lie. How do you know? What if Jesus spoke nothing but the evil and the lies, and the good stuff was written in by the humans? Just like you, who would be so eager to do so. You either accept everything, or nothing of it is inspired, and you must go further back to the source until you find the original.
nly after many thousands of years did Allah understand this and decided to send the final prophet and protect that word (Koran).
It means that you must go further back to the source of this story, the one who write the story first is the Author of that story. Enoch is the author this story about GOD and Angels and Heaven and Satan and Adam and Noah and Judgment and Resurrection and all of it still intact and uncorrupted by the hands of humans.
If Allah knew that men would corrupt the Word (Jesus), why would Allah have let it happen?
I am very serious, and that you cannot call your CREATOR the "Father of all Creation"
and again
Enoch 6:7-8 gives a list of 19 angels who lead the fall of man.
Enoch 69:2-3 gives a list of 21 angels who were supposed to be the same group
i don't mean to be rude but that means nothing to me... could i please have a more detailed explanation..00
and i questioned the chronology of the books writing care to shed any light on this?
To Punisher
Could you please list me all the reasons that you think "Book Of Enoch" is the only book from Almighty God. It's ok if you want to answer on my topic dedicated to this book "Book Of Enoch". Thanks
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