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Title: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: spacemanjones on September 06, 2008, 03:57:10 AM
So here is a quick question...

FE is constantly accelerating at 1G... So are the stars, the moon the sun and everything we see when we look up.

This is explained by DE right?

DE pushes everything at 1G?

Some one please answer this or clarify what I got wrong here.

You know I have read the FAQ, which doesn't specify what is pushing the things above FE or how everything gets pushed.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 06, 2008, 06:24:10 AM
Yes, it is dark energy.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: spacemanjones on September 06, 2008, 08:56:58 AM
Yes, it is dark energy.

So dark energy pushes everything individualy all at the same time?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 06, 2008, 10:02:50 AM
So dark energy pushes everything individualy all at the same time?

Except that which is shielded from it by a large body, as we are by the Earth.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: spacemanjones on September 06, 2008, 09:22:27 PM
So earth itself blocks the dark energy from affecting us, but not the sun, moon and stars which are also over earth. Anyone who supports earth as an infinite plane is really wrong because that would block all the dark energy.

Arenít you a supporter of the infinite plane theory?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Sere on September 06, 2008, 09:39:27 PM
i think we can all agree on that.

dark energy and... infinite plane theory... and...

wait a minute... still nobody gives a fuck spaceman.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: spacemanjones on September 06, 2008, 09:50:21 PM
You do, or you would not of posted.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Sere on September 06, 2008, 09:51:27 PM
im just here to give you guys something relevant to talk about

think of me as an angle.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Fletch on September 06, 2008, 10:03:29 PM
think of me as an angle.
An obtuse angle?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Sere on September 06, 2008, 10:05:22 PM
i think of myself as a cute one.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: TheEngineer on September 06, 2008, 10:42:32 PM
So earth itself blocks the dark energy from affecting us, but not the sun, moon and stars which are also over earth.
Right.

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Anyone who supports earth as an infinite plane is really wrong because that would block all the dark energy.
The infinite plane does not accelerate.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: spacemanjones on September 07, 2008, 07:19:07 PM
So earth itself blocks the dark energy from affecting us, but not the sun, moon and stars which are also over earth.
Right.

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Anyone who supports earth as an infinite plane is really wrong because that would block all the dark energy.
The infinite plane does not accelerate.

I like how the DE some how forgets to accelerate us on the surface but somehow accelerates all the objects over the earth which are also shielded by... earth.

Also I like how DE is used when DE is just a theory, but it's used as a fact. Theories supporting theories also supporting theories = Trash.

Engy, I can't take you seriously... I know you just post as FE to get at people.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: TheEngineer on September 07, 2008, 09:20:37 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_shock_(aerodynamics) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_shock_(aerodynamics))
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: cbarnett97 on September 08, 2008, 02:29:58 AM
So earth itself blocks the dark energy from affecting us, but not the sun, moon and stars which are also over earth.
Right.

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Anyone who supports earth as an infinite plane is really wrong because that would block all the dark energy.
The infinite plane does not accelerate.

I like how the DE some how forgets to accelerate us on the surface but somehow accelerates all the objects over the earth which are also shielded by... earth.

Also I like how DE is used when DE is just a theory, but it's used as a fact. Theories supporting theories also supporting theories = Trash.

Engy, I can't take you seriously... I know you just post as FE to get at people.

Let us not forget that sustained spaceflight is not possible because the earth is accelerating but the sun and moon are accelerating, but we do not have the ability to put a rocket up to that elevation but we do have the technology to simulate long peroids of zero g flight.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: TheEngineer on September 10, 2008, 06:50:01 AM
No.    ::)
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: TheEngineer on September 10, 2008, 08:01:36 AM
Well then Bow Shock can't apply.
Why not?

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Even to the crazy infinite flat earth. Whose infinity by the way would cause an infinite bow. Thereby not being a bow at all.
What?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: markjo on September 10, 2008, 08:15:04 AM
Well then Bow Shock can't apply.
Why not?

Please describe how the UA could form a bow shock in front of the FE (if that is indeed your contention).
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: TheEngineer on September 10, 2008, 08:20:06 AM
DE not UA. 

DE encounters an obsticle, then has to go around it.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: markjo on September 10, 2008, 08:36:06 AM
DE not UA. 

DE encounters an obsticle, then has to go around it.

I thought that the current theory was that DE is the UA (or at least causes the UA).

BTW, how does energy go around an obstacle?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the only options for energy are to be emitted, absorbed or reflected (and maybe refracted).
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Lord Wilmore on September 10, 2008, 01:42:22 PM
DE not UA. 

DE encounters an obsticle, then has to go around it.

I thought that the current theory was that DE is the UA (or at least causes the UA).

BTW, how does energy go around an obstacle?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the only options for energy are to be emitted, absorbed or reflected (and maybe refracted).

Can't answer your question on bowshock, but to my knowledge, the 'DE UA' is simply a particular theory on the UA. In short, not everyone thinks that the UA is (or is caused by) DE.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: markjo on September 10, 2008, 07:13:27 PM
DE not UA. 

DE encounters an obsticle, then has to go around it.

I thought that the current theory was that DE is the UA (or at least causes the UA).

BTW, how does energy go around an obstacle?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the only options for energy are to be emitted, absorbed or reflected (and maybe refracted).

Can't answer your question on bowshock, but to my knowledge, the 'DE UA' is simply a particular theory on the UA. In short, not everyone thinks that the UA is (or is caused by) DE.

Then what other theoretical mechanisms are proposed to be the cause the UA and how could they possibly flow around the FE in order to not interact with the bulk of the atmosphere, yet still be able to interact with the celestial bodies?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 11, 2008, 01:43:01 AM
Dark Energy is the mechanism, or the cause. When DE interacts with objects in the universe, it creates an effect. Universal Acceleration is the effect.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Dr Matrix on September 11, 2008, 03:13:51 AM
This is starting to sound a lot like 'aether drag' theory to me...
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: markjo on September 11, 2008, 05:33:26 AM
Dark Energy is the mechanism, or the cause. When DE interacts with objects in the universe, it creates an effect. Universal Acceleration is the effect.

Except when the bottom of the FE shields all of the objects on top and above of the FE, except for the celestial bodies which are affected.  Doesn't sound very universal to me.

That still doesn't explain how energy can move around an object and/or create a bow shock.  Last I knew those were a properties of fluids (liquids and gasses), not energy.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: divito the truthist on September 11, 2008, 05:59:24 AM
The name Dark Energy is just a name, after all.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: markjo on September 11, 2008, 08:08:32 AM
The name Dark Energy is just a name, after all.

In other words FET has no idea what the kind of energy the UA is made of or what its properties are?  Wow, what a useful theory.  At least the graviton has some properties that are proposed by quantum field theory (mass, spin, speed, etc.) so that scientists have an idea of what to look for, even if they never do actually find it.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 11, 2008, 08:09:53 AM
In other words FET has no idea what the kind of energy the UA is made of or what its properties are?  Wow, what a useful theory.  At least the graviton has some properties that are proposed by quantum field theory (mass, spin, speed, etc.) so that scientists have an idea of what to look for, even if they never do actually find it.

We know what its properties are. It accelerates upwards through the Universe at 9.8 m s-2 and causes everything it comes into contact with to do the same.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: markjo on September 11, 2008, 10:42:31 AM
In other words FET has no idea what the kind of energy the UA is made of or what its properties are?  Wow, what a useful theory.  At least the graviton has some properties that are proposed by quantum field theory (mass, spin, speed, etc.) so that scientists have an idea of what to look for, even if they never do actually find it.

We know what its properties are. It accelerates upwards through the Universe at 9.8 m s-2 and causes everything it comes into contact with to do the same.

OK, that's one.  Anything else?  What form of energy is it?  How does it interact with matter (which fundamental force)?  Does it have a particle equivalent (photon, gluon, etc.)?  Can it be harnessed as an alternative energy source?  Does it have spin or color or mass?  Does FET know anything about it other than it accelerates the earth and the heavens?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: spacemanjones on September 11, 2008, 12:51:59 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_shock_(aerodynamics) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_shock_(aerodynamics))

"The bow shock significantly increases the drag in a vehicle traveling at a supersonic speed" (wiki article)

So there is drag in space? i thought space was... well space.

Silly...
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: spacemanjones on September 11, 2008, 12:57:11 PM
I like how they can specifically say that DE pushed earth and whatever else it does but as soon as things start to get hairy they make comments like:

The name Dark Energy is just a name, after all.

which in their minds some how justifies why they don't have an answer.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: TheEngineer on September 11, 2008, 05:10:16 PM
which in their minds some how justifies why they don't have an answer.
The same as in the RE.  Don't be a hypocrite now...
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: spacemanjones on September 11, 2008, 06:17:55 PM
which in their minds some how justifies why they don't have an answer.
The same as in the RE.  Don't be a hypocrite now...

I'm not, none knows the properties of DE, so any questions that comes up, DE is used to answer it. it's the FE wild card...

They need to post some laws or rules that DE follows, something consistent so we can have a legitimate debate.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Fletch on September 11, 2008, 07:39:32 PM
We know what its properties are. It accelerates upwards through the Universe at 9.8 m s-2 and causes everything it comes into contact with to do the same.
So why wouldn't a space craft be affected by it as well? Why couldn't we get far enough away from the earth to use it to travel to the moon?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: TheEngineer on September 11, 2008, 08:31:44 PM
I'm not, none knows the properties of DE, so any questions that comes up, DE is used to answer it. it's the FE wild card...
Do you know what the properties are of the RE's DE?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: markjo on September 11, 2008, 08:45:21 PM
I'm not, none knows the properties of DE, so any questions that comes up, DE is used to answer it. it's the FE wild card...
Do you know what the properties are of the RE's DE?

Well, according to everyone's favorite wiki:
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy#Nature_of_dark_energy
The exact nature of this dark energy is a matter of speculation. It is known to be very homogeneous, not very dense and is not known to interact through any of the fundamental forces other than gravity. Since it is not very dense—roughly 10−29 grams per cubic centimeter—it is hard to imagine experiments to detect it in the laboratory. Dark energy can only have such a profound impact on the universe, making up 70% of all energy, because it uniformly fills otherwise empty space. The two leading models are quintessence and the cosmological constant. Both models include the common characteristic that dark energy must have negative pressure

What does FE know or suspect about their version of DE?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: TheEngineer on September 11, 2008, 08:46:45 PM
In other words FET has no idea what the kind of energy the UA is made of or what its properties are?  Wow, what a useful theory.  At least the graviton has some properties that are proposed by quantum field theory (mass, spin, speed, etc.) so that scientists have an idea of what to look for, even if they never do actually find it.

We know what its properties are. It accelerates upwards through the Universe at 9.8 m s-2 and causes everything it comes into contact with to do the same.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: markjo on September 11, 2008, 08:52:16 PM
In other words FET has no idea what the kind of energy the UA is made of or what its properties are?  Wow, what a useful theory.  At least the graviton has some properties that are proposed by quantum field theory (mass, spin, speed, etc.) so that scientists have an idea of what to look for, even if they never do actually find it.

We know what its properties are. It accelerates upwards through the Universe at 9.8 m s-2 and causes everything it comes into contact with to do the same.

That's one property.  Anything else?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Dr Eon Phlatamus on September 11, 2008, 09:58:31 PM
So here is a quick question...

FE is constantly accelerating at 1G... So are the stars, the moon the sun and everything we see when we look up.

This is explained by DE right?

DE pushes everything at 1G?

Some one please answer this or clarify what I got wrong here.

You know I have read the FAQ, which doesn't specify what is pushing the things above FE or how everything gets pushed.


Think of it mostly like ... The Universe is being squeezed out the end of a tube of toothpaste.
or gods rectum ... wich ever you prefer.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 11, 2008, 09:59:43 PM
In other words FET has no idea what the kind of energy the UA is made of or what its properties are?  Wow, what a useful theory.  At least the graviton has some properties that are proposed by quantum field theory (mass, spin, speed, etc.) so that scientists have an idea of what to look for, even if they never do actually find it.

We know what its properties are. It accelerates upwards through the Universe at 9.8 m s-2 and causes everything it comes into contact with to do the same.
But astronomers say things are accelerating away, thus they would be accelerating at a greater than 9.8m/s^2 acceleration.  You didn't think of that though as you just pulled something out of your ass.  
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 11, 2008, 11:29:36 PM
But astronomers say things are accelerating away, thus they would be accelerating at a greater than 9.8m/s^2 acceleration.  You didn't think of that though as you just pulled something out of your ass.  

Acceleration is not the only process by which light may be redshifted.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 11, 2008, 11:36:51 PM
But astronomers say things are accelerating away, thus they would be accelerating at a greater than 9.8m/s^2 acceleration.  You didn't think of that though as you just pulled something out of your ass.  

Acceleration is not the only process by which light may be redshifted.

That is true.  They can also be redshifted by slowing the protons down to sublight speeds and then bending them off at 3.14 degrees from its original heading.  That way only the red light goes straight and all the other colors of the light go off in different directions.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 11, 2008, 11:49:43 PM
That is true.  They can also be redshifted by slowing the protons down to sublight speeds and then bending them off at 3.14 degrees from its original heading.  That way only the red light goes straight and all the other colors of the light go off in different directions.

That isn't what "redshift" means, nor is light conveyed by protons.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 11, 2008, 11:51:14 PM
That is true.  They can also be redshifted by slowing the protons down to sublight speeds and then bending them off at 3.14 degrees from its original heading.  That way only the red light goes straight and all the other colors of the light go off in different directions.

That isn't what "redshift" means, nor is light conveyed by protons.

Light is not conveyed by protons?  What are you smoking?  Protons are the essence of light.  If protons didn't exist we wouldn't have light.  Seriously dude where have you been learning all this crap.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 11, 2008, 11:52:06 PM
Photons, not protons...
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 11, 2008, 11:52:07 PM
Light is not conveyed by protons?  What are you smoking?  Protons are the essence of light.  If protons didn't exist we wouldn't have light.  Seriously dude where have you been learning all this crap.

 :-\
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 11, 2008, 11:55:44 PM
Photons, not protons...

A proton is one of the most important types of subatomic particles. Protons combine with electrons and (usually) neutrons to make atoms.

Protons are nearly the same size as neutrons and are much larger than electrons. A proton has a mass about 1,836 times greater than the mass of an electron, but the masses of protons and neutrons differ from each other by less than one percent. A proton has a mass of 1.6726 x 10-24 grams.

Protons have a positive electrical charge, which is sometimes called the elementary charge or fundamental charge or a charge of +1. Electrons have a charge of the same strength but opposite polarity, -1. The fundamental charge has a strength of 1.602 x 10-19 coulomb.

The nucleus of an atom is a combination of roughly equal numbers of protons and neutrons held together by the strong nuclear force. Clouds of electrons orbit the nucleus, attracted by the positive charges of the protons.

Protons are baryons, a class of subatomic particles that also includes neutrons. Protons are composed of two up quarks and one down quark.

A single electron orbiting a single proton is a simple hydrogen atom, the most abundant element in the Universe. Such hydrogen atoms often have their electron stripped away in a process called ionization, which leaves a lone proton. Such lone protons, also called hydrogen ions (H+), are very common. Because of their charges, these protons can be accelerated by electrical or magnetic fields to high energies, and can thus become a dangerous form of particle radiation.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 11, 2008, 11:56:24 PM
And?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 11, 2008, 11:59:04 PM
Look, I can't force you to learn.  If you don't know what spacetime is made of I'm not going to help you out and do all your research and math problems for you. 

Do research, learn something, and then come back and add to the debate.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 12, 2008, 12:02:10 AM
I'm asking what was the point of your previous post.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 12, 2008, 12:03:12 AM
Explanation of what a proton is.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 12, 2008, 12:04:49 AM
Right, but what about my refutation on your other post?


Here,
Light is not conveyed by protons?  What are you smoking?  Protons are the essence of light.  If protons didn't exist we wouldn't have light.  Seriously dude where have you been learning all this crap.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 12, 2008, 12:09:36 AM
Right, but what about my refutation on your other post?

Here, does this help?

(http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/eit/images/eit_19980420_protons_195.gif) 
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 12, 2008, 12:10:35 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

Do you feel stupid now?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 12, 2008, 12:11:28 AM
Oh...now I know.  Wikipedia is your guide.  It all comes clear why you are confused.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 12, 2008, 12:14:19 AM
Except, I don't see anything wrong with his post.
nor is light conveyed by protons.

Wikipedia has nothing to do with me proving your stupidity. Perhaps you should search on the internets on what particle carries/conveys light.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 12, 2008, 12:20:07 AM
Except, I don't see anything wrong with his post.
nor is light conveyed by protons.

Wikipedia has nothing to do with me proving your stupidity. Perhaps you should search on the internets on what particle carries/conveys light.

I've already stated what participle carried/conveyors light.  See my previous post.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 12, 2008, 12:21:05 AM
I've already stated what participle carried/conveyors light.

Oh, of course! How foolish of me! Light is conveyed by participles!
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 12, 2008, 12:22:58 AM
I've already stated what participle carried/conveyors light.

Oh, of course! How foolish of me! Light is conveyed by participles!

No, the participle that conveyors light is the protom.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 12, 2008, 12:23:42 AM
I've already stated what participle carried/conveyors light.  See my previous post.

Yeah, what about that?
Light is not conveyed by protons?  What are you smoking?  Protons are the essence of light.  If protons didn't exist we wouldn't have light.  Seriously dude where have you been learning all this crap.

Just stop posting, please.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 12, 2008, 12:25:11 AM
No, the participle that conveyors light is the protom.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2nkkjlg.jpg)
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Dr Matrix on September 12, 2008, 01:19:12 AM
So light is conveyed by particles... sorry, participles called photons... no... protons... no... protoms.

You've got to be doing this for kicks, right? Please?
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Jack on September 12, 2008, 01:33:21 AM
Obviously, but he didn't even do it the right way. He only made himself look stupid.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Dr Matrix on September 12, 2008, 01:37:45 AM
Yeah, shame really, some n00b on his 5th post is probably going to copy and paste that into his science homework.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Lord Wilmore on September 12, 2008, 05:10:23 AM
This thread contains great hilarity. I mean, I always knew grammar was important, but to think it's one of the fundamental underlying forces in the universe... real mind blower that...
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 12, 2008, 07:49:22 AM
Obviously, but he didn't even do it the right way. He only made himself look stupid.

And gave myself a good laugh.  You forgot that part.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 12, 2008, 08:43:35 AM
But astronomers say things are accelerating away, thus they would be accelerating at a greater than 9.8m/s^2 acceleration.  You didn't think of that though as you just pulled something out of your ass.  

Acceleration is not the only process by which light may be redshifted.
I wasn't just referring to light. 
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 12, 2008, 07:26:02 PM
But astronomers say things are accelerating away, thus they would be accelerating at a greater than 9.8m/s^2 acceleration.  You didn't think of that though as you just pulled something out of your ass.  

Acceleration is not the only process by which light may be redshifted.
I wasn't just referring to light. 

Go on then, how else do we know that things are accelerating away from us? And don't talk about local anomalies such as planetary orbits, I mean large-scale accelerations.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 13, 2008, 11:29:31 PM
But astronomers say things are accelerating away, thus they would be accelerating at a greater than 9.8m/s^2 acceleration.  You didn't think of that though as you just pulled something out of your ass.  

Acceleration is not the only process by which light may be redshifted.
I wasn't just referring to light. 

Go on then, how else do we know that things are accelerating away from us? And don't talk about local anomalies such as planetary orbits, I mean large-scale accelerations.
I guess I was referring to light, but I was actually referring to the planets and not the light.  Although one of the ways to tell a planet is accelerating away is shifted light.  Either way, your original statement did not take into account objects accelerating away from the earth at an acceleration faster than 9.8m/s^2.  Most likely because you were to busy making shit up to think your argument through. 
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 13, 2008, 11:35:49 PM
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Are you drunk again? 
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 13, 2008, 11:38:58 PM
No.  I have the real post copied into open office.  I never pasted it over what I typed.  I edited it for you.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 13, 2008, 11:41:54 PM
I guess I was referring to light, but I was actually referring to the planets and not the light.

 ???

Although one of the ways to tell a planet is accelerating away is shifted light.

Correct.

Either way, your original statement did not take into account objects accelerating away from the earth at an acceleration faster than 9.8m/s^2.

I don't see why.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 13, 2008, 11:46:02 PM
I guess I was referring to light, but I was actually referring to the planets and not the light.

 ???
You will get it one day. 

Quote

Correct.
I don't need you to grade me.

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I don't see why.

You said

We know what its properties are. It accelerates upwards through the Universe at 9.8 m s-2 and causes everything it comes into contact with to do the same.
Your statement ignores the millions of objects that are accelerating faster than 9.8m/s^2.   
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 13, 2008, 11:48:01 PM
I guess I was referring to light, but I was actually referring to the planets and not the light.

 ???
You will get it one day. 

If you were referring to light, how were you not referring to the light?

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I don't see why.

You said

We know what its properties are. It accelerates upwards through the Universe at 9.8 m s-2 and causes everything it comes into contact with to do the same.
Your statement ignores the millions of objects that are accelerating faster than 9.8m/s^2.   

No it doesn't.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 13, 2008, 11:53:06 PM
I guess I was referring to light, but I was actually referring to the planets and not the light.

 ???
You will get it one day. 

If you were referring to light, how were you not referring to the light?
Like I said, one day you will get it. 

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No it doesn't.
Sweet, so you have made up a new accelerator.  You already made up the EA and now you made up the UAB, the Universal Accelerator B.  The UA accelerates some objects at the stated 9.8m/s^2 and the UAB  accelerates some objects at greater than 9.8m/s^2.

Joking aside, yes it does.  You did not account for objects accelerating at a greater acceleration than 9.8m/s^2. 
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 13, 2008, 11:56:01 PM
Like I said, one day you will get it. 

Get what? How to blatantly contradict myself and then claim that it is the other who does not know what he is talking about?

Joking aside, yes it does.  You did not account for objects accelerating at a greater acceleration than 9.8m/s^2. 

Yes I did.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 13, 2008, 11:58:16 PM
Like I said, one day you will get it. 

Get what? How to blatantly contradict myself and then claim that it is the other who does not know what he is talking about?
Facepalm

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Yes I did.
So back to what I have said before, the UA is self aware.  Nice backup of your statement though. 
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Yes I did.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 14, 2008, 12:01:17 AM
So back to what I have said before, the UA is self aware.  Nice backup of your statement though.

I'll back it up when you point out what's wrong with it.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 14, 2008, 12:05:48 AM
So back to what I have said before, the UA is self aware.  Nice backup of your statement though.

I'll back it up when you point out what's wrong with it.
Red shifting is observed.  The UA accelerating everything cannot explain red shifting.  Everyone already knew this though.  I was just pointing out how you also did not have an answer for it. 
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 14, 2008, 12:09:39 AM
Red shifting is observed.  The UA accelerating everything cannot explain red shifting.  Everyone already knew this though.  I was just pointing out how you also did not have an answer for it. 

Dark Energy is not the only interaction that can cause redshifting.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 14, 2008, 12:10:56 AM
Red shifting is observed.  The UA accelerating everything cannot explain red shifting.  Everyone already knew this though.  I was just pointing out how you also did not have an answer for it. 

Dark Energy is not the only interaction that can cause redshifting.
Yeah so can gravitation and, you guess it, acceleration. 
Glad to see you realize how wrong your statement was.   
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 14, 2008, 12:13:38 AM
acceelration
statment

Are you drunk again? 
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 14, 2008, 12:15:48 AM
acceelration
statment

Are you drunk again? 
Once again no.  I didn't checking it. 

Nice dodge on the argument though.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 14, 2008, 12:18:52 AM
Nice dodge on the argument though.

I'm not looking through 4639 posts to find the single argument you might once have had.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 14, 2008, 12:20:17 AM
Nice dodge on the argument though.

I'm not looking through 4639 posts to find the single argument you might once have had.
Are you retarded?  You already said my argument was wrong.  But you still haven't said why.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Parsifal on September 14, 2008, 12:22:11 AM
Are you retarded?  You already said my argument was wrong.  But you still haven't said why.

I need to hear the argument before I can refute it.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Robbyj on September 14, 2008, 12:26:19 AM
Let's go back to the "light is conveyored by protoms" discussion.  That was great.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 14, 2008, 12:43:35 AM
Let's go back to the "light is conveyored by protoms" discussion.  That was great.

The participle protom.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: sokarul on September 14, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
Are you retarded?  You already said my argument was wrong.  But you still haven't said why.

I need to hear the argument before I can refute it.
Don't worry, I did what I told people not to do before.  I asked a question when I already knew the answer. 
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Dr Matrix on September 14, 2008, 02:09:36 PM
I know you already know, but I think it's worth clarifying that redshift is caused by a difference in velocity, not in acceleration. Just to make sure we're all clear on that.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Robbyj on September 14, 2008, 04:56:10 PM
He was basically saying that without saying it.  He was talking about acceleration history, which velocity is dependant of.  Also, light is conveyored by participles.
Title: Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
Post by: Dr Matrix on September 16, 2008, 01:41:25 AM
Yeah, I was pre-empting some n00b going "OMG lyk we all know redshift is caused bi acellration" which would derail the thread for another 5 pages.