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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Pointland32 on June 22, 2008, 03:24:56 PM

Title: Antarctica
Post by: Pointland32 on June 22, 2008, 03:24:56 PM
According to FE theory, the ice wall is Antarctica and it surrounds the Earth. How come for a few weeks a year around Christmas there is 24-hour sunlight?
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 22, 2008, 03:29:05 PM
Psst...   read the FAQ
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Lycan on June 22, 2008, 03:34:41 PM
The FAQ doesn't explain this particular phenomenon.
The only refernce to Antarctica is this: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist - rather it is a ring of ice around the entire circumference of the Earth.."
If I'm wrong, please correct me. Otherwise, enlighten us yourselves.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 22, 2008, 03:46:08 PM
Really?


"The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus.

Here are some very good diagrams of seasons on the flat Earth."
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=13876.0

It even has diagrams for those of you who suffer from reading comprehension.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Lycan on June 22, 2008, 03:48:04 PM
Really?


"The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus.

Here are some very good diagrams of seasons on the flat Earth."
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=13876.0

It even has diagrams for those of you who suffer from reading comprehension.

How exactly does that explain constant sunlight over Antarctica? That would require sunlight stretching over the entire rim of the disc, but not other places.

Edit: or I could be wrong. That's how I'm mapping it out in my head.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 22, 2008, 03:50:16 PM
Really?


"The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus.

Here are some very good diagrams of seasons on the flat Earth."
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=13876.0

It even has diagrams for those of you who suffer from reading comprehension.

How exactly does that explain constant sunlight over Antarctica? That would require sunlight stretching over the entire rim of the disc, but not other places.



Speaking in an authoritative manner and insulting posters is often the best way for FE'ers to back their claims.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 22, 2008, 03:53:10 PM
Sustained daylight without a visible sun is well documented on Antarctica.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 22, 2008, 03:55:56 PM
Sustained daylight without a visible sun is well documented on Antarctica.

Then it should be easy to find some documentation.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 04:00:43 PM
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Then it should be easy to find some documentation.

Read the Antarctica chapter in Earth Not a Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham. Accounts form polar explorers are paraphrased and there's a list of references and works cited.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 22, 2008, 04:05:45 PM
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Then it should be easy to find some documentation.

Read the Antarctica chapter in Earth Not a Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham. Accounts form polar explorers are paraphrased and there's a list of references and works cited.

If it's so well documented, I shouldn't have to read a text from 1881 and before to read accounts about it.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 04:18:50 PM
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If it's so well documented, I shouldn't have to read a text from 1881 and before to read accounts about it.

Truth has no expiration date.

You'll find that most detailed accounts of Antarctica were made during that age of discovery. If you go to your local library you'd find that the majority of literature on Antarctica are by polar explorers from the late 1800's to early 1900's. No one really goes to Antarctica to explore, document, and discover the unknown anymore. These days people only go to limited areas to study niche fields like penguin biology and ice shelf creation.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 22, 2008, 04:21:37 PM
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If it's so well documented, I shouldn't have to read a text from 1881 and before to read accounts about it.

Truth has no expiration date.

If sunless, lit days are common occurrences in Antarctica, there would be more documentation on them than E:NaG.  BTW I looked for the Antarctica chapter and couldn't find it.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 04:28:33 PM
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If sunless, lit days are common occurrences in Antarctica, there would be more documentation on them than E:NaG.

There are. Polar explorer Sir James Clark Ross reported perpetual days without a sun in his book South Seas Voyages.

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BTW I looked for the Antarctica chapter and couldn't find it.

I guess you didn't look hard enough then.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 22, 2008, 04:30:24 PM
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If sunless, lit days are common occurrences in Antarctica, there would be more documentation on them than E:NaG.

There are. Polar explorer Sir James Clarke Ross reported perpetual days without a sun in his book South Seas Voyages.

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BTW I looked for the Antarctica chapter and couldn't find it.

I guess you didn't look hard enough then.

Give me a link.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: NTheGreat on June 22, 2008, 04:49:07 PM
I'm sure there was some kind of bizarre reflective ice crystal hypothesis a while back, but I think the general belief is that it's all false, and the astronomers and scientists living at Amundsen-Scott either don't have the faintest idea about what's going on in the sky, or are in on the conspiracy.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Pointland32 on June 22, 2008, 05:02:42 PM
Sustained daylight without a visible sun is well documented on Antarctica.

If the Sun's light can reach the opposite edge, how come it doesn't reach places in between?
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Iskaros on June 22, 2008, 05:10:31 PM
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If it's so well documented, I shouldn't have to read a text from 1881 and before to read accounts about it.

Truth has no expiration date.

The word truth is a matter of opinion. What do we belive of the anicent greek and roman "truths" primative mumbo jumbo so what will future generations think of your "truthes"?
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 05:53:03 PM
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If the Sun's light can reach the opposite edge, how come it doesn't reach places in between?

The entire Antarctic cost is lit up when the sun is in its Southern Annulus because the sun's spotlight is touching the ice crystals in the upper polar strata which encircles the earth. During this time he sun's light is reflected along the ice crystals above Antarctic coast like a house of mirrors, creating a perpetual day along the coast.

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The word truth is a matter of opinion. What do we belive of the anicent greek and roman "truths" primative mumbo jumbo so what will future generations think of your "truthes"?

I don't know. You guys seem to take Ancient Greek mumbo jumbo pretty seriously considering that's where Round Earth Theory originated.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Penispoop agogo on June 22, 2008, 05:56:18 PM
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During this time he sun's light is reflected along the ice crystals above Antarctic coast like a house of mirrors, creating a perpetual day along the coast.

could you draw a picture of where the light is hitting and how it's reaching large portions of land in antarctica?
the atmosphere is not a mirror
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 22, 2008, 06:14:32 PM
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During this time he sun's light is reflected along the ice crystals above Antarctic coast like a house of mirrors, creating a perpetual day along the coast.

could you draw a picture of where the light is hitting and how it's reaching large portions of land in antarctica?
the atmosphere is not a mirror

I doubt it.  I asked for a link and of course I didnt even get a response.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 22, 2008, 06:18:42 PM
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Then it should be easy to find some documentation.

Read the Antarctica chapter in Earth Not a Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham. Accounts form polar explorers are paraphrased and there's a list of references and works cited.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 22, 2008, 06:24:55 PM
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Then it should be easy to find some documentation.

Read the Antarctica chapter in Earth Not a Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham. Accounts form polar explorers are paraphrased and there's a list of references and works cited.

I asked for a link to that Chapter.
I got nothing.  I'm not going to read chapters of drivel from Rowbotham.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 22, 2008, 06:25:36 PM
If you're too lazy to look for the information provided, I'm too lazy to spoon feed it to you.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 22, 2008, 06:37:31 PM
If you're too lazy to look for the information provided, I'm too lazy to spoon feed it to you.

Asking for a link is being lazy?  I made a statement, he countered that statement but didn't provide a link to the information.
It's debating.  When someone makes a statement that is not common knowledge, the burden of proof is upon them.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: The Creep on June 22, 2008, 06:37:41 PM
If you're too lazy to look for the information provided, I'm too lazy to spoon feed it to you.

Which translates to......"I have no factual basis for the dribble I regurgitate every day in this forum."

Another victory for RE!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: markjo on June 22, 2008, 07:45:46 PM
Really?


"The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus.

Here are some very good diagrams of seasons on the flat Earth."
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=13876.0

It even has diagrams for those of you who suffer from reading comprehension.

Unfortunately it does not explain the observed pattern of daylight during the southern hemisphere's summer.  Here is a pretty good diagram that Youre avin a larf did little while ago. 

(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1228/wintersun2vj4.jpg)

The light green indicates daylight and dark green is night. 
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 22, 2008, 09:30:17 PM
My guess is that the ice crystals help visible light propagate in the antarctic regions.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Rig Navigator on June 23, 2008, 05:34:23 AM
There are. Polar explorer Sir James Clark Ross reported perpetual days without a sun in his book South Seas Voyages.

Here is a quote from Ross' book A Voyage of Discovery and Research in the Southern and Antarctic Regions...

Quote from: Captain Sir James Clark Ross
January 4 1841 - At noon we were in lat. 65 22' S., long. 172 42' E. The power of the sun's radiation was measured at 9 PM by means of a thermometer whose bulb was blackened with Indian ink: it rose from 33 to 40.2, the sun's altitude being at the time only four degrees...

The setting sun was also a very remarkable object, being streaked across by five dark horizontal bands, of nearly equal breadth, and flattened in a most irregular form by the greater refraction of its lower limb as it touched the horizon at 23h 56m 51s; skimming along to the eastward, it almost imperceptibly descended until its upper limb disappeared exactly seventeen minutes and thirty seconds afterwards.  The difference of the atmospheric refraction at the upper and lower limb of the was carefully determined by several measurements of the horizontal and vertical diameter.

There is evidence that Scott did see the sun at a southern latitude.  The time of sunset (almost midnight) shows that they were seeing almost continuous light.

The passage also shows that this isn't some "glare," but observations of the actual sun.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: trig on June 23, 2008, 10:26:27 AM
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If sunless, lit days are common occurrences in Antarctica, there would be more documentation on them than E:NaG.

There are. Polar explorer Sir James Clark Ross reported perpetual days without a sun in his book South Seas Voyages.

Tom Bishop is famous for his unending misreadings of James Clarke Ross' journals. Every other claim made by Tom Bishop concerning these journals has been totally demolished, and include:

If you want to check it yourself, one of the threads you can check is:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=14674.0 (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=14674.0)

There you will find all the information, including a link to the first book. Tom Bishop has never given a link to the second book, so I guess he does not like what he sees in it.

If Tom Bishop cannot show a link, it is because he is still hurting from the beating he got last time for lying.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Spec138 on June 23, 2008, 02:15:17 PM
I won't hold my breath for a reply to this thread.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Pointland32 on June 24, 2008, 07:57:57 AM
My guess is that the ice crystals help visible light propagate in the antarctic regions.

Is there any evidence for this?
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Lord Wilmore on June 24, 2008, 08:32:41 AM
Dude, it's a Tom Bishop guess. Good luck getting that in there.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Pointland32 on June 24, 2008, 11:32:18 AM
So if you shine a line on some snow, it will light up the whole area?
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on June 24, 2008, 11:38:48 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Pointland32 on June 24, 2008, 11:58:49 AM
...another win for FE!
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Pointland32 on June 27, 2008, 05:29:45 AM
How can ice crystals, not only reflect light around the entire circumference of the Earth, but light up the area to make it seem that the light is coming from the sky?

This is an example of something that can be tested and measured and it could give FE theory a bit of credibility.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 27, 2008, 07:42:44 AM
You've clearly never driven in fog during cold weather or seen an aircraft enter a cloud with its landing lights on.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on June 27, 2008, 08:16:53 AM
And you've clearly never experienced daylight when the sun is below the horizon.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 27, 2008, 08:20:17 AM
And you've clearly never experienced daylight when the sun is below the horizon.

Outrageous!

 ::)
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on June 27, 2008, 08:21:56 AM
And you've clearly never experienced daylight when the sun is below the horizon.

Outrageous!

 ::)

You're outrageous you dirty gay bear

What I meant was even though there was no snow the ice crystals reflected the light to make it look like there was daylight coming from the sky...
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Ski on June 27, 2008, 08:24:45 AM
I know. It was sarcasm. I thought you were fluent.

My rolled eyes were directed at the doubters.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on June 27, 2008, 08:27:03 AM
I'm not fluent in sarcasm, I don't really like sarcasm that much. Thank you for not rolling your eyes at me.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: ghazwozza on June 27, 2008, 10:25:51 AM
Sustained daylight without a visible sun is well documented on Antarctica.

Indeed, it's called twighlight.
It's the sustained daylight with visible sun that you need to be concerned about.
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: 3 Tesla on September 17, 2008, 07:44:01 AM
I would like to 'bump' this thread.

The Sun staying visible in the sky for 24 hours during The Antactic Winter.

The best Flat Earth explanation for this appears to be "ice crystals" in the "strata" making a "house of mirrors" effect which reflects sunlight all the way around the circumfarence of The EArth ("The Ice Wall").

Given the many thousands of miles involved this seem very far-fetched to me.

Surely the light intensity will have attenuated (reduced) to nothing by the time the light gets to the other side of the disc?

Plus: reports speak of The Sun - the actual disc of The Sun - staying visible for 24 hours rather than a kind of twilight / "white night" effect.

How can reflection of light around the icy ground produce this?
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: lolz at trollz on September 17, 2008, 08:49:29 AM
FE logic at it's best. 

The icy bit at the edge of the Earth reflects the actual image of hte sun all the way around the planet. 

The icy bit in the middle, well the light actually stops short there despite travelling further across equatorial regions. 

Hooray!  Consistent as ever!
Title: Re: Antarctica
Post by: Rig Navigator on September 17, 2008, 10:55:42 AM
I don't know why you think that they will have any better explanation now than they did a couple of months ago.


There are. Polar explorer Sir James Clark Ross reported perpetual days without a sun in his book South Seas Voyages.

Here is a quote from Ross' book A Voyage of Discovery and Research in the Southern and Antarctic Regions...

Quote from: Captain Sir James Clark Ross
January 4 1841 - At noon we were in lat. 65 22' S., long. 172 42' E. The power of the sun's radiation was measured at 9 PM by means of a thermometer whose bulb was blackened with Indian ink: it rose from 33 to 40.2, the sun's altitude being at the time only four degrees...

The setting sun was also a very remarkable object, being streaked across by five dark horizontal bands, of nearly equal breadth, and flattened in a most irregular form by the greater refraction of its lower limb as it touched the horizon at 23h 56m 51s; skimming along to the eastward, it almost imperceptibly descended until its upper limb disappeared exactly seventeen minutes and thirty seconds afterwards.  The difference of the atmospheric refraction at the upper and lower limb of the was carefully determined by several measurements of the horizontal and vertical diameter.

There is evidence that Scott did see the sun at a southern latitude.  The time of sunset (almost midnight) shows that they were seeing almost continuous light.

The passage also shows that this isn't some "glare," but observations of the actual sun.

They couldn't even reply to something as simple as an observation of the Sun made in January at midnight.