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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Coma on May 06, 2006, 07:56:49 AM

Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Coma on May 06, 2006, 07:56:49 AM
Your so called 'ice wall' cannot exist.  For starters there is no way it could stay frozen for all of these years.

Also you said the wall was around 150ft high, isn't that low enough for a plane to fly over, or for a human to climb over? If there was an Ice Wall in have to be a sorta dome shape around the earth, but alas it would just melt.

And I recall one of you FE's saying that it froze under pressure, the wall couldn't freeze under pressure unless was in the core of the earth (which has a lot of pressure)



And that vast amount of ice isn't a ice wall it's glaciers or it could be antartica! (which has been filmed on for documentaries, and also people have walked on it's land)

Besides if the water was running against the ice wall it would melt even faster! To prove that simply put a ice cube under your faucet, then turn the faucet on, do you notice how the ice melts very fast?

So please give me some proof that it exists
Title: Re: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Chaltier on May 06, 2006, 10:10:45 AM
Quote from: "Coma"
Your so called 'ice wall' cannot exist.  For starters there is no way it could stay frozen for all of these years.


Your so-called "south pole" cannot exist. For starters there is no way it could stay frozen for all of these years.


--Chal
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Coma on May 06, 2006, 10:24:33 AM
The south pole is at the bottom of the earth, being at the bottom of the earth it recives virtually no sun light thus making it frozen for all these years. And your wall is all around the world thus receiving lots of sunlight

Antartica is listed on all world maps, but wait a second weres your precious ice wall? Oh wait it dosen't exist! And besides without antartica we would have no Emperor Penguins to begin with, being that they are NATIVE to antartica!

Who gave me typos?
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Chaltier on May 06, 2006, 10:29:57 AM
In the FE model, the sun is closer and smaller than in the RE one, and produces a spotlight-like effect (so one can't see the sun from the other side of Earth). It misses the ice wall similar to the way it does on an RE due to this.


--Chal
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Coma on May 06, 2006, 10:39:46 AM
Yes, but at least one part of the wall would be melted by suns rays
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: zanzobar on May 06, 2006, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: "Chaltier"
In the FE model, the sun is closer and smaller than in the RE one, and produces a spotlight-like effect (so one can't see the sun from the other side of Earth). It misses the ice wall similar to the way it does on an RE due to this.


--Chal


except you're wrong.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Chaltier on May 06, 2006, 11:01:19 AM
Quote from: "zanzobar"
except you're wrong.


What a splendid refutation of FE! Such thoroughness and understanding of the world; why did no one else think of this outstanding disproof before?


--Chal
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: zanzobar on May 06, 2006, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: "Chaltier"
Quote from: "zanzobar"
except you're wrong.


What a splendid refutation of FE! Such thoroughness and understanding of the world; why did no one else think of this outstanding disproof before?


--Chal


i don't need to prove you wrong because any argument against fact is stupid.  i am not saying you are stupid, just your ideas and concept of science.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Chaltier on May 06, 2006, 11:12:52 AM
And how do you know RE to be a fact? Because you've been told it in the school system? Yes, I'd say you must be able to prove me wrong, at least to yourself if not on here, before being so closed-minded to other theories.


--Chal
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: zanzobar on May 06, 2006, 11:16:55 AM
i know i have a heart, lungs and spine in my body.  I have never cut myself open and looked for myself, but people trained in such things have looked inside humans and found these organs.  time after time these organs are found inside humans.  i probably have them too.

i have never been to space, but HUNDREDS of people have. they took pictures, captured video, brought stuff back from space, and left stuff there.  if i were to go to space, I'd see a round earth, just like them.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Unimportant on May 06, 2006, 11:35:27 AM
except you're wrong.

Wow, that was easy! Man and I've spent all this time trying to think of arguments and stuff...
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: zanzobar on May 06, 2006, 11:36:19 AM
Quote from: "Unimportant"
except you're wrong.

Wow, that was easy! Man and I've spent all this time trying to think of arguments and stuff...


no i'm not.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Coma on May 06, 2006, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: "Unimportant"
except you're wrong.

Wow, that was easy! Man and I've spent all this time trying to think of arguments and stuff...


How is zanzobar wrong for telling you things that were actually caught on tape and broadcasted around the world
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: EnragedPenguin on May 06, 2006, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: "Coma"
How is zanzobar wrong for telling you things that were actually caught on tape and broadcasted around the world


Unimportant is just using zanzobar's own arguing style against him. Chaltier made a statement earlier and zanzobar said "you're wrong" without ever bothering to say why. If he can do that so can we, right?
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: zanzobar on May 06, 2006, 11:57:13 AM
except only one of us can be telling the truth.  that would be me.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: joffenz on May 06, 2006, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: "zanzobar"
except only one of us can be telling the truth.  that would be me.


That only works on the assumption that you're always right, but you rely on yourself to prove that you are always right.

Are you familiar with Curry's paradox?
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: razor_wicked on May 06, 2006, 03:38:08 PM
so if a guy goes around the world in a balloon, how is the earth not round? did he just float down off the side and go underneath or what?
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Gustave5436 on May 06, 2006, 03:40:15 PM
I never knew that when people circumnavigated the world they had to go to Antarctica
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Cinlef on May 06, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
ALso much as I think Flat Eartherism is stupid you could circumnavigate a Flat EArth as it is a circle.
An enraged
Cinlef
Title: Re: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Jaxson on May 06, 2006, 07:17:21 PM
Quote from: "Chaltier"
Quote from: "Coma"
Your so called 'ice wall' cannot exist.  For starters there is no way it could stay frozen for all of these years.


Your so-called "south pole" cannot exist. For starters there is no way it could stay frozen for all of these years.


--Chal


Like Coma said it is at the bottom of the earth and recieves very little sunlight. But the ice around the south pole is beginning to melt, with the rising water level and all. Once it melts, many islands will be under water.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Gustave5436 on May 06, 2006, 07:20:19 PM
no, once it melts a bit away the freshwater will screw with the ocean currents, and in turn cause the Earth to cool.

Look at how the Medieval warm period was followed by the little ice age
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: scotty on May 07, 2006, 06:15:56 AM
Quote from: "Gustave5436"
no, once it melts a bit away the freshwater will screw with the ocean currents, and in turn cause the Earth to cool.

Look at how the Medieval warm period was followed by the little ice age


Video tape evidence of Medieval little ice age?
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Chaltier on May 07, 2006, 09:27:35 AM
Quote from: "scotty"
Video tape evidence of Medieval little ice age?


Video tape evidence of the more commonly believed ice age, ~10,000 years ago?


--Chal
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Gustave5436 on May 07, 2006, 01:42:34 PM
how about the fact that Napoleon got pwned when he invaded Russia and his army starved and froze to death, or that the Vinland and Greenland Viking colonies failed (Greenland may actually have been Green when it was named).  Or even the fact that 1815 had no summer at all?  I don't need to prove the little ice age
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: fathomak on May 07, 2006, 03:22:36 PM
Quote
And I recall one of you FE's saying that it froze under pressure, the wall couldn't freeze under pressure unless was in the core of the earth (which has a lot of pressure)


I'm a RE'er, but I don't think water would freeze under pressure.  Water has a higher density than ice.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Erasmus on May 07, 2006, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: "razor_wicked"
so if a guy goes around the world in a balloon,


... then his path was totally controlled by the wind.

-Erasmus
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: sven1988uk on May 08, 2006, 08:33:52 AM
If there was an Ice Wall we cannot exsist, we would be all dead...

Do we forget the Ice Age?

Also this planet to start off with had no ice, it was a big ball of magma... too hot for ice. What magically created the Ice Wall?
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Erasmus on May 08, 2006, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: "sven1988uk"
If there was an Ice Wall we cannot exsist, we would be all dead...


Why?

Quote
Also this planet to start off with had no ice, it was a big ball of magma... too hot for ice. What magically created the Ice Wall?


Same thing that REers say magically created all the ice covering Antarctica.  Planet cooled, oceans formed, the stuff at the edges froze.  Pretty straightforward.

-Erasmus
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Gustave5436 on May 08, 2006, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: "sven1988uk"
If there was an Ice Wall we cannot exsist, we would be all dead...

Do we forget the Ice Age?

Also this planet to start off with had no ice, it was a big ball of magma... too hot for ice. What magically created the Ice Wall?


it was a big ball of lava and asteroid collisions when a gas cloud collapsed on itself forming the round Earth, but a flat Earth would not form that way.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: sven1988uk on May 09, 2006, 03:31:53 AM
So how would it form, or is it like God? Flat Earth always has been here in exsistance.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Ashantai on June 08, 2006, 04:27:37 PM
I'm not into thread necromancy...but I ask, I can see in a flat earth that the sides would freeze. But how did they get 150 feet tall? That would imply that there was water that high to freeze. Now, with the north and /or south poles, there is a single base that ice can freeze and build around. But with a wide edge, there is no reason why ice would pile up 150ft high....
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Luke_smith64 on June 08, 2006, 05:15:28 PM
If you don't belive in sattelite images, howcome weather forcasters show you the clouds and wind pressue, and predict when, how much, and if it will rain. and if you say that its all just guess, how do they predict hurracanes, thats quite a limb to go on.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Ashantai on June 08, 2006, 05:21:16 PM
Their explanation is that there is satellites...but they are doctored for public view.

A rather odd claim, in my view, but there you are.

It would mean that every nation in world history had to be in on it. And really, if the world was flat, I could see the profit in the Yanks revealing it when Russia claimed to launch Sputnik....

Luke mate...you might want to move that pic to your signature...it kinda distorts the page.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Unimportant on June 08, 2006, 05:36:34 PM
It is not accepted FE doctrine that sattelites exist. I proposed they could possibly exist in geostationary orbits given the mechanics of the acceleration model, but it is far from canon.

Even assuming my model is the one you're addressing:
Quote from: "Ashantai"
It would mean that every nation in world history had to be in on it.

Not quite, just the nations that have active space programs. Needless to say third world countries are going to take our word for it if we tell them sattelites prove the earth is round.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Ashantai on June 08, 2006, 05:52:46 PM
And the nations which are near the ice wall like Chili and Argentina....
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Doubter on June 08, 2006, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: "zanzobar"
except only one of us can be telling the truth.  that would be me.


Actually, that does not have to be the only out come.  Both could be telling the truth.  Both could be telling untruth.  As Indian Jones would say "If you want Truth, philosophy is down the hall".

But we aren't really dealing with truth here, Provable facts and experiments, theroies and ways to test them.

As has been pointed out several times, all one has to do is take off for space, or travel south to the pole and continue north to the other side of the world.  But to do it, and prove it was done...that is the rub.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Ashantai on June 08, 2006, 06:35:20 PM
My bother flew over the south pole...but apparently that was the ice wall. I bet he'd love that explanation. :P
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Copernicus_was_wrong on June 09, 2006, 04:41:15 AM
Quote from: "Ashantai"
And the nations which are near the ice wall like Chili and Argentina....

I don't think that many people from Argentina travel to Antarctica on a frequent basis, so there is little need for the government of Argentina to cover anything up.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Doubter on June 09, 2006, 01:12:38 PM
If there is an Ice Wall, then Global warming is even more a problem than Gore protrays it to be!, if it melts, all of the seas, and possibily the air flow away.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: HiveLord on June 09, 2006, 02:06:48 PM
And who says global warming isn't part of the conspiracy?
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Welbourne on June 09, 2006, 02:37:21 PM
Me.
Title: An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
Post by: Doubter on June 09, 2006, 03:05:59 PM
Quote from: "Ashantai"
I'm not into thread necromancy...but I ask, I can see in a flat earth that the sides would freeze. But how did they get 150 feet tall? That would imply that there was water that high to freeze. Now, with the north and /or south poles, there is a single base that ice can freeze and build around. But with a wide edge, there is no reason why ice would pile up 150ft high....


As water collected on the earth and begen to flow over the edges, as it was exposed to the icy cold of space, the water froze, and air passing over released it's moisture as air will when it cools.  Over millions of years this has built up.  In many ways it is similar to why the poles in a RE are ice bound.