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Title: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 21, 2008, 06:44:04 PM
Ok so in FET it's impossible to go to space blah blah blah. But while I was looking throught the "Shuttle crashes" post I noticed something. What about the people who have died in shuttle crashes? What happened to them? What about their grieving families? Are they acting? And what about the fact that the dead people haven't been seen since? No one would want to live hidden the rest of their lives just to help out a conspiracy. Now what does FES say for this?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 21, 2008, 06:49:25 PM
What makes you think their deaths are faked to begin with?  What motive would NASA have for something like that?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 21, 2008, 06:53:34 PM
Ask Tom Bishop. He told me the most ridiculous story about what happened to them.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 21, 2008, 06:54:07 PM
Oh ya and I don't think their deaths are faked, I know they died.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 21, 2008, 07:45:48 PM
Tom Bishop has a tendency to talk out of his ass sometimes.  Could you give me a link to what he said?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Taters343 on June 21, 2008, 07:51:53 PM
They obviously were told of the consiracy and after threatening to tell the public were killed in a faked shuttle crash.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Saddam Hussein on June 21, 2008, 07:54:49 PM
Stop trolling, please.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Taters343 on June 21, 2008, 07:55:48 PM
I was serious.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: markjo on June 21, 2008, 07:58:58 PM
Tom Bishop has a tendency to talk out of his ass sometimes.  Could you give me a link to what he said?

It starts about here, and goes on for a few pages: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19559.msg424413#msg424413
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 22, 2008, 08:36:17 AM
They obviously were told of the consiracy and after threatening to tell the public were killed in a faked shuttle crash.

So you admit that they are dead?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Taters343 on June 22, 2008, 08:56:39 AM
I never said they weren't...
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 22, 2008, 10:39:28 AM
But they are dead. And no one would just let someone shoot them (or whatever) just to help out on a conspiracy.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: divito the truthist on June 22, 2008, 10:48:03 AM
But they are dead. And no one would just let someone shoot them (or whatever) just to help out on a conspiracy.

Well, someone likely did.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 22, 2008, 02:07:55 PM
Well then who died if they have dissapeared?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Taters343 on June 22, 2008, 02:14:28 PM
What are you talking about? The astronauts were killed by the conspiracy after threatening to expose it.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2008, 02:15:18 PM
It was cold-blooded murder.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 22, 2008, 02:19:49 PM
No no no no no no no. Wrong wrong wrong. Well first of all there is no conspiracy but they died in the shuttle crash.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Mrs. Peach on June 22, 2008, 02:23:27 PM
No no no no no no no. Wrong wrong wrong. Well first of all there is no conspiracy but they died in the shuttle crash.

If they didn't exist, how did they die?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2008, 02:34:07 PM
No no no no no no no. Wrong wrong wrong. Well first of all there is no conspiracy but they died in the shuttle crash.

The shuttles were rigged to fail.  They did it just right to make it look like an accident.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 22, 2008, 02:49:21 PM
Please provide proof to back up your claim.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: the_flutist on June 22, 2008, 03:23:08 PM
Ok so in FET it's impossible to go to space blah blah blah. But while I was looking throught the "Shuttle crashes" post I noticed something. What about the people who have died in shuttle crashes? What happened to them? What about their grieving families? Are they acting? And what about the fact that the dead people haven't been seen since? No one would want to live hidden the rest of their lives just to help out a conspiracy. Now what does FES say for this?

 As I said in the Shuttle Crashes thread, the shuttle goes upward out of people's view, stays their for a few days, then crashes. The people onboard knew they were going to die, but they couldn't tell their families.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Lycan on June 22, 2008, 03:27:56 PM
Ok so in FET it's impossible to go to space blah blah blah. But while I was looking throught the "Shuttle crashes" post I noticed something. What about the people who have died in shuttle crashes? What happened to them? What about their grieving families? Are they acting? And what about the fact that the dead people haven't been seen since? No one would want to live hidden the rest of their lives just to help out a conspiracy. Now what does FES say for this?

 As I said in the Shuttle Crashes thread, the shuttle goes upward out of people's view, stays their for a few days, then crashes. The people onboard knew they were going to die, but they couldn't tell their families.

The shuttle, while crashing, was visible to those watching on television, thus making your point that they mysteriously brought it out of sight irrelevant.
see 1:25
Secondly, I find it hugely unlikely that they knew they were going to die. Why accept to do the mission then? And they looked so happy while going up to the shuttle (I've seen the clip but can't find it, sorry) and while facing your own death, it would be pretty hard to smile like that. Dunno, its not conclusive, but its something.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Taters343 on June 22, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
They had to build a ship that could maintain elevation long enough to make it seem like a crash.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: the_flutist on June 22, 2008, 03:36:06 PM
Ok so in FET it's impossible to go to space blah blah blah. But while I was looking throught the "Shuttle crashes" post I noticed something. What about the people who have died in shuttle crashes? What happened to them? What about their grieving families? Are they acting? And what about the fact that the dead people haven't been seen since? No one would want to live hidden the rest of their lives just to help out a conspiracy. Now what does FES say for this?

 As I said in the Shuttle Crashes thread, the shuttle goes upward out of people's view, stays their for a few days, then crashes. The people onboard knew they were going to die, but they couldn't tell their families.

The shuttle, while crashing, was visible to those watching on television, thus making your point that they mysteriously brought it out of sight irrelevant.
see 1:25
Secondly, I find it hugely unlikely that they knew they were going to die. Why accept to do the mission then? And they looked so happy while going up to the shuttle (I've seen the clip but can't find it, sorry) and while facing your own death, it would be pretty hard to smile like that. Dunno, its not conclusive, but its something.

 While it's supposed to be in space, it becomes invisible. And the astronauts do it because, if they don't do it, the government will kill them and their family.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Lycan on June 22, 2008, 03:41:18 PM
While it's supposed to be in space, it becomes invisible.
It was not yet in space when it exploded. I fail to understand this entire point.

And the astronauts do it because, if they don't do it, the government will kill them and their family.
That's reasonable, but highly unlikely and lacks any form of supporting evidence.
Also, why would they find it nessisary to crash it in the first place?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Torn Bishop on June 22, 2008, 04:53:58 PM
Please provide proof to back up your claim.
Pleave provide claims to backup your proof.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Iskaros on June 22, 2008, 05:03:13 PM
They had to build a ship that could maintain elevation long enough to make it seem like a crash.

Now your just making up excuses to explain why your not wrong.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Taters343 on June 22, 2008, 05:10:21 PM
So we are in agreement that I am not wrong?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2008, 06:37:03 PM
Please provide proof to back up your claim.

The earth is flat and sustained spaceflight is impossible.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: EvilToothpaste on June 22, 2008, 07:40:16 PM
Give it up, Round000.  If you don't get it by now you never will. 

Also, all the arguments in this thread (both sides) are stupid.  Except the following:

Please provide proof to back up your claim.

The earth is flat and sustained spaceflight is impossible.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 22, 2008, 08:12:15 PM
Please provide proof to back up your claim.

The earth is flat and sustained spaceflight is impossible.

The Earth is infact round. Spaceflight is possible and has been done. Your post just makes the Earth rounder than it already is.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Iskaros on June 22, 2008, 08:28:31 PM
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So we are in agreement that I am not wrong?

No but everytime RE people hit u good u mask the wound to look like it never happened. Eventually ur going to run out of masking tape and i hope im there when it happens.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 08:37:14 PM
The Earth is infact round. Spaceflight is possible and has been done. Your post just makes the Earth rounder than it already is.

You're wrong.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Iskaros on June 22, 2008, 08:42:28 PM
no ur wrong
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Logic hopeful on June 22, 2008, 08:45:13 PM
The Earth is infact round. Spaceflight is possible and has been done. Your post just makes the Earth rounder than it already is.

You're wrong.

Tom, "You're wrong." does not constitute a proper rebuttal.  Please explain just how he is wrong.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
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Tom, "You're wrong." does not constitute a proper rebuttal.  Please explain just how he is wrong.

He's wrong because the earth is flat and sustained spaceflight is impossible.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Iskaros on June 22, 2008, 08:59:25 PM
care to elaborate on that
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 09:49:22 PM
care to elaborate on that

Look out your window and read Earth Not a Globe.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Penispoop agogo on June 22, 2008, 10:06:35 PM
care to elaborate on that

Look out your window and read Earth Not a Globe.

Get some new research, peer reviewed if possible.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
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Get some new research, peer reviewed if possible.

Earth Not a Globe underwent constant peer review by the the Universal Zetetic Society in a publication called "Earth Not a Globe Review", which had over 1000 subscribers.

Source: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Penispoop agogo on June 22, 2008, 10:16:09 PM
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Get some new research, peer reviewed if possible.

Earth Not a Globe was peer reviewed by a publication authored by Lady Blount called "Earth Not a Globe Review", which had over 1000 subscribers.

Do you really think that counts? How about an independent peer review outside it's tiny tiny field, you know by the other side
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 22, 2008, 10:21:59 PM
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Do you really think that counts? How about an independent peer review outside it's tiny tiny field, you know by the other side

There are no "sides", there are only independent researchers who have all come to the conclusion that the earth is a plane. You can find more corroborating works in my signature link.

But if you would like to make a single reference to any piece of literature which proves through experimentation that the earth is a globe, be my guest.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Penispoop agogo on June 22, 2008, 10:32:52 PM
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Do you really think that counts? How about an independent peer review outside it's tiny tiny field, you know by the other side

There are no "sides", there are only independent researchers who have all come to the conclusion that the earth is a plane. You can find more corroborating works in my signature link.

But if you would like to make a single reference to any piece of literature which proves through experimentation that the earth is a globe, be my guest.

If there was no side, then what are 1000 subscribers doing reading a magazine that loudly promotes flat earth?
There are two sides in the arguments, and I'd like to know if it was peer reviewed by people without a bias
I could have written any "new" theories of flat earth and even if I just make it all up, and it would have passed peer review by that publication
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 23, 2008, 12:19:57 AM
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There are two sides in the arguments, and I'd like to know if it was peer reviewed by people without a bias

There is no bias. That's preposterous. Why would so many independent researchers conspire to fake experiments and write entire books in an effort to support the idea that the earth is a plane?

The whole of civilized society at the time grew up under the notion that the earth was a globe. If anything there should be a bias for the globular hypothesis.

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I could have written any "new" theories of flat earth and even if I just make it all up, and it would have passed peer review by that publication

The publication put all theories under rigorous experimentation and presented the results fairly and accurately. A women named Lady Bount, a writer for Earth Not a Globe Review, was among the first to provide photographic evidence for a Flat Earth (http://www.zetetic.co.uk/zetetic.html):


Her photographs and research is available in the Flat Earth collection at the University of Liverpool's special archives repository.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: markjo on June 23, 2008, 05:29:40 AM
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There are two sides in the arguments, and I'd like to know if it was peer reviewed by people without a bias

There is no bias. That's preposterous. Why would so many independent researchers conspire to fake experiments and write entire books in an effort to support the idea that the earth is a plane?

For the money?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: NTheGreat on June 23, 2008, 06:08:46 AM
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A women named Lady Bount, a writer for Earth Not a Globe Review, was among the first to provide photographic evidence for a Flat Earth:

      "The Old Bedford Level..."


Her photographs and research is available in the Flat Earth collection at the University of Liverpool's special archives repository.

But the Bedford level is not a body of water lying level with the planet's surface. It's a river, constantly flowing down to the point where it's level with the Earth's surface, but never managing to be level with it.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Androkles on June 23, 2008, 06:18:20 AM
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A women named Lady Bount, a writer for Earth Not a Globe Review, was among the first to provide photographic evidence for a Flat Earth:

      "The Old Bedford Level..."


Her photographs and research is available in the Flat Earth collection at the University of Liverpool's special archives repository.

But the Bedford level is not a body of water lying level with the planet's surface. It's a river, constantly flowing down to the point where it's level with the Earth's surface, but never managing to be level with it.

Good point, *thumbs up*.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Mrs. Peach on June 23, 2008, 08:49:53 AM
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A women named Lady Bount, a writer for Earth Not a Globe Review, was among the first to provide photographic evidence for a Flat Earth:

      "The Old Bedford Level..."


Her photographs and research is available in the Flat Earth collection at the University of Liverpool's special archives repository.

But the Bedford level is not a body of water lying level with the planet's surface. It's a river, constantly flowing down to the point where it's level with the Earth's surface, but never managing to be level with it.

The Bedford Level (I think it's the Old Bedford Level) is not a constantly flowing river.  It is an old drainage cut and is drained by tidal action. 
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on June 23, 2008, 09:35:43 AM
Its a slow-flowing drainage canal.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: NTheGreat on June 23, 2008, 11:02:02 AM
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The Bedford Level (I think it's the Old Bedford Level) is not a constantly flowing river.  It is an old drainage cut and is drained by tidal action.

As far as I can tell, it's constantly flowing. It has weirs along it's length to maintain the flow, and the fact that it has plant life growing along it suggests that the water is fresh, not salt.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on June 23, 2008, 11:06:11 AM
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The Bedford Level (I think it's the Old Bedford Level) is not a constantly flowing river.  It is an old drainage cut and is drained by tidal action.

As far as I can tell, it's constantly flowing. It has weirs along it's length to maintain the flow, and the fact that it has plant life growing along it suggests that the water is fresh, not salt.

*points up at her post*
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: the_flutist on June 23, 2008, 11:36:28 AM
While it's supposed to be in space, it becomes invisible.
It was not yet in space when it exploded. I fail to understand this entire point.

And the astronauts do it because, if they don't do it, the government will kill them and their family.
That's reasonable, but highly unlikely and lacks any form of supporting evidence.
Also, why would they find it nessisary to crash it in the first place?

 It was supposed to crash. However, something happened before it did, causing the shuttle to explode. They need it to crash because it makes the belief that shuttles go into space more believable.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 23, 2008, 11:50:54 AM
They do go into space.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 23, 2008, 12:13:07 PM
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But the Bedford level is not a body of water lying level with the planet's surface. It's a river, constantly flowing down to the point where it's level with the Earth's surface, but never managing to be level with it.

No. The Bedford Canal was not flowing at the time of the experiment. It's specifically described in the literature as a long stretch of standing water. That's precisely why it was chosen for the location of the experiment.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on June 23, 2008, 12:14:08 PM
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But the Bedford level is not a body of water lying level with the planet's surface. It's a river, constantly flowing down to the point where it's level with the Earth's surface, but never managing to be level with it.

No. The Bedford Canal is not flowing. It's specifically described in the literature as a long stretch of standing water. That's precisely why it was chosen for the location of the experiment.

*points again at her post*
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: the_flutist on June 23, 2008, 01:10:38 PM
They do go into space.

 How do you know?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 23, 2008, 01:25:20 PM
They do go into space.

 How do you know?

Because they say they do, silly.  And they make all those pretty pictures.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Wordsmith on June 23, 2008, 01:26:15 PM
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Get some new research, peer reviewed if possible.

Earth Not a Globe underwent constant peer review by the the Universal Zetetic Society in a publication called "Earth Not a Globe Review", which had over 1000 subscribers.

Source: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm

Any chance there were some REAL scientists doing this "peer review"?

NM, i already know .....
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Wordsmith on June 23, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
"There is no bias. That's preposterous. Why would so many independent researchers conspire to fake experiments and write entire books in an effort to support the idea that the earth is a plane?"

Why, to support the conspiracy, don't you know? Man i thought you'd played this game for awhile now .... And the conspiracy isn't for money, it's just to see how many idiots they can get to subscribe to their point of view. and all you FErs have been suckered by their "science". Why, they even wrote a book about. that means it MUST be the truth....

right?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Snaaaaake on June 23, 2008, 03:23:32 PM
They do go into space.

 How do you know?

Because they say they do, silly.  And they make all those pretty pictures.

Yup, all those real, 100% true pictures.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: the_flutist on June 23, 2008, 05:54:03 PM
They do go into space.

 How do you know?

Because they say they do, silly.  And they make all those pretty pictures.

Yup, all those real, 100% true pictures.

 How do you know the pictures are real? Did you see an astronaut take the pictures?
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 23, 2008, 06:22:10 PM
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Any chance there were some REAL scientists doing this "peer review"?

Yep. They were all real scientists. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, for example, was an English inventor and chemist. Read "Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea" for a source.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: cbarnett97 on June 23, 2008, 06:29:33 PM
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Get some new research, peer reviewed if possible.

Earth Not a Globe underwent constant peer review by the the Universal Zetetic Society in a publication called "Earth Not a Globe Review", which had over 1000 subscribers.

Source: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm
The Earth Is round
Just so there is no doubt I had my grandma, my mom, and a few cousins look over that statement and they say it is true also, so it has been proven.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Wordsmith on June 27, 2008, 03:16:59 PM
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Any chance there were some REAL scientists doing this "peer review"?

Yep. They were all real scientists. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, for example, was an English inventor and chemist. Read "Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea" for a source.

i said REAL scientists, not quacks. They would get laughed out of ANY reputable scientific conference they walked into.
Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 27, 2008, 06:14:56 PM
i said REAL scientists, not quacks. They would get laughed out of ANY reputable scientific conference they walked into.

Samuel Birley Rowbotham got great reviews from his lectures across Britain on Flat Earth Theory:

Title: Re: The Victims of Shuttle Crashes
Post by: Ski on June 27, 2008, 06:18:35 PM
The Greenwich Free Press article in particular is clearly hostile to the idea while admitting impotence. It'd be hard to argue they had a FE bias after reading that. Very impressive Thomas.