The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: WardoggKC130FE on June 01, 2008, 01:11:24 PM
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epically
http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html (http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html)
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How does that prove RET? The pilots are being fooled just like the rest of us.
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epically
http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html (http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html)
I think the way to argue this is to say that FET demands big major differences and pilots would notice the differences and they haven't noticed them so FET is false.
You're basically saying that you couldn't fool the pilots like Saddam seems to be saying,
You can apply the same basic argument to most the the other areas of FET.
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How does that prove RET? The pilots are being fooled just like the rest of us.
How you got any proof of the pilots being fooled?
no? ::)
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The problem is Great circle Nav doesn't work in the southern hemisphere. zero. And for the pilots (and sailors) to use it, which they do everyday, would defy all FET logic.
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The problem is Great circle Nav doesn't work in the southern hemisphere. zero. And for the pilots (and sailors) to use it, which they do everyday, would defy all FET logic.
Great Circle Navigation is explained here in Chapter 14 of Earth Not a Globe:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za47.htm
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epically
http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html (http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html)
Actually I feel this is evidence that favors FE theory. Obviously the conspiracy starts brainwashing pilots from day one.
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Actually Tom your reference assumes the world is flat. Which it is not. So your reference is invalid. The practice of great circle navigation by both pilots and sailors is used everyday in the southern hemisphere. And works just like its supposed to in a round earth. IE FET fails yet again.
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Actually Tom your reference assumes the world is flat. Which it is not. So your reference is invalid. The practice of great circle navigation by both pilots and sailors is used everyday in the southern hemisphere. And works just like its supposed to in a round earth. IE FET fails yet again.
The chapter described Great Circle Navigation and how it is possible on a Flat Earth.
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Actually in the more extreme parts of the southern hemiplane, the routes are often arced in a manner consistent with FE great circle routes. Usually this is claimed to be because of the more severe weather as one nears the rim of the disc. It may be, however, that the severe weather combines with the longer distances to make a more northerly route faster.
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Actually in the more extreme parts of the southern hemiplane, the routes are often arced in a manner consistent with FE great circle routes. Usually this is claimed to be because of the more severe weather as one nears the rim of the disc. It may be, however, that the severe weather combines with the longer distances to make a more northerly route faster.
In great circle nav in the southern hemisphere a northern route would not be shorter or faster. It would be longer both in distance and time. The severe weather would be noticed by the pilots or sailors. Maybe they are all part of the conspiracy as well?
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In great circle nav in the southern hemisphere a northern route would not be shorter or faster. It would be longer both in distance and time. The severe weather would be noticed by the pilots or sailors. Maybe they are all part of the conspiracy as well?
If the earth were a sphere, the southern route would be shorter. But the southern route is routinely abandoned (by shipping for example) for a more northernly route. Why would that be?
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In great circle nav in the southern hemisphere a northern route would not be shorter or faster. It would be longer both in distance and time. The severe weather would be noticed by the pilots or sailors. Maybe they are all part of the conspiracy as well?
If the earth were a sphere, the southern route would be shorter. But the southern route is routinely abandoned (by shipping for example) for a more northernly route. Why would that be?
I have no idea. Im not a sailor. The weather could be a factor. But pilots on the other hand would not. Most weather you can deviate around or climb over depending on the size of the storm.
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I'd be curious to see how many flights ended up on a more northernly approach than one would expect with a great circle route.
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epically
http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html (http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html)
Actually I feel this is evidence that favors FE theory. Obviously the conspiracy starts brainwashing pilots from day one.
If the distance from, say, Sydney to Auckland is actually x miles, and pilots are 'brainwashed' to believe it is much shorter, they fill fuel for the shorter distance and crash into the sea.
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Win for RE
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Win for FE
Correct.
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epically
http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html (http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/navigation-basics.html)
Actually I feel this is evidence that favors FE theory. Obviously the conspiracy starts brainwashing pilots from day one.
If the distance from, say, Sydney to Auckland is actually x miles, and pilots are 'brainwashed' to believe it is much shorter, they fill fuel for the shorter distance and crash into the sea.
Win for RE. I'd like to see somebody crush this. Oh wait, maybe all the people who fuel the airplanes are part of the conspiracy?
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Win for RE. I'd like to see somebody crush this. Oh wait, maybe all the people who fuel the airplanes are part of the conspiracy?
Have you taken the flight yourself? How do you know that it doesn't get delayed or that the pilot doesn't use a jet stream?
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Tom do you even know what the jetstream is and how it works?
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Actually I feel this is evidence that favors FE theory. Obviously the conspiracy starts brainwashing pilots from day one.
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You cant brainwash time and distance
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You cant brainwash time and distance
I don't know. Have you ever seen The Manchurian Candidate? :o
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You cant brainwash time and distance
But you can brainwash people, excellent distinction.
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ok so yeah...the earth is round...no question about it...how do u explain tht a few ships from spain reaturned to spain after circumnavigating the globe...hence the RET...there is much evidence tht the earth is round...if u look out into the distance u can see the curviture of the earth and if u watch a ship goin out to sea u notice it seems like it is sinking...this is another proof to the RET.
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ok so yeah...the earth is round...no question about it...how do u explain tht a few ships from spain reaturned to spain after circumnavigating the globe...hence the RET...there is much evidence tht the earth is round...if u look out into the distance u can see the curviture of the earth and if u watch a ship goin out to sea u notice it seems like it is sinking...this is another proof to the RET.
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Read the FAQ
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But don't trust what you read there. It may be incorrect.
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The one reason FET fails...Is because the Earth is round.
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But don't trust what you read there.
I don't trust what he reads there either. He has untrustworthy eyes.
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Says the man with one blinking red eye. ;)
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Win for RE. I'd like to see somebody crush this. Oh wait, maybe all the people who fuel the airplanes are part of the conspiracy?
Have you taken the flight yourself? How do you know that it doesn't get delayed or that the pilot doesn't use a jet stream?
Not this again.
We know the flights aren't delayed because airports publish live flight arrival times.
Anyway, the question wasn't about flight time it was about fuel.
The posit was that pilots are brainwashed into believing the earth is round. If this was actually true the planes would run out of fuel and the pilots themselves would want to know why the distances they experience are wrong.
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Winds are stronger in the southern hemiplane. There is little difficulty to be resolved. The differences in distance are made up for by the stronger winds. We've seen this in another thread you abandoned after Robby corrected your faulty math.
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The winds are not any stronger in the southern hemisphere than they are in the north.
I am not sure of the altitude on this particular chart but it is depicting the jet stream so I would say at least 25- 35,000 ft. The highest winds I see is about 120kts. About the norm. Although I have seen 175 mph at 23,000 ft and 190 around 42,000 ft.
http://squall.sfsu.edu/scripts/shemjetstream_model.html (http://squall.sfsu.edu/scripts/shemjetstream_model.html)
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How many of your flight hours are in the southern hemiplane?
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Out of my 4500 flight hours.....probably only 30ish of them. I would have to check my logbook. Unfortunately I dont get down there too often.
Oh yeah sorry, the wind speeds I talked about in the previous post were in the northern hemisphere.
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now if u think about it...the FET is logical...but in some ways it isn't...like the fact of seeing the curviture of the earth when u look out in the ocean...or even flying...if u fly in one direction and keep going in the same direction w/o turning around...y is it tht u end up in the same place u started...what is there some like portal tht sends u to the other side of the earth??? i think not...and if there is...y are there no pics??? now explain to me about the seasons...if the earth wasn't round...or sperical...we wouldn't have the seasons...
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now if u think about it...the FET is logical...but in some ways it isn't...like the fact of seeing the curviture of the earth when u look out in the ocean...or even flying...if u fly in one direction and keep going in the same direction w/o turning around...y is it tht u end up in the same place u started...what is there some like portal tht sends u to the other side of the earth??? i think not...and if there is...y are there no pics??? now explain to me about the seasons...if the earth wasn't round...or sperical...we wouldn't have the seasons...
Read...teh...FAQ...
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Says the man with one blinking red eye. ;)
That's my pretty eye.
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how do u explain tht a few ships from spain reaturned to spain after circumnavigating the globe...hence the RET...
Uh... which ships are you referring to?
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Without an accurate map of the FE, this is all speculation.