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Title: If the earth is flat...
Post by: maug on December 21, 2007, 04:02:39 PM
Can someone direct me on the easiest way to get to the ice wall? Thank you.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 21, 2007, 04:31:19 PM
Click the little X at the top right corner of your screen and start walking Southward.

Don't come back.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: maug on December 21, 2007, 04:34:21 PM
If the earth is flat I should be able to see it from a plane, correct?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Mr. Ireland on December 21, 2007, 05:04:25 PM
Only if you're close enough to the ice wall that the air doesn't ruin your vision of it.  Now follow Bishop's orders.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: maug on December 21, 2007, 05:14:26 PM
Where exactly is the ice wall situated... does it completely encircle the earth? On the other side of the ice wall is... space? Any idea on the dimensions of the ice wall?
I'm not trying to be rude, but do FEers have evidence of this purported ice wall, or is it conjecture?

Thank you.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Fisha695 on December 21, 2007, 05:16:27 PM
Click the little X at the top right corner of your screen and start walking Southward.

Don't come back.

Why do I have to walk south? I see that all over this forum to go south. What if I want to walk North, or West, or East North East?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: eric bloedow on December 21, 2007, 05:22:30 PM
it's pure myth, and on top of that, Tom Bishop claims that if you climbed over it, you could keep walking south on ice forever and ever! rediculous, huh?

simply put, FErs think the north pole is the "center" of the earth!
look for the thread "distortions in southern hemisphere" for more discussion on this sillyness.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Mr. Ireland on December 21, 2007, 05:23:30 PM
Click the little X at the top right corner of your screen and start walking Southward.

Don't come back.

Why do I have to walk south? I see that all over this forum to go south. What if I want to walk North, or West, or East North East?

Then you wont make it to the ice wall.  I mean, you can try, but it wont happen...
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Fisha695 on December 21, 2007, 05:25:16 PM
l0l

I'm gunna go outside and take all the snow in my yard and make my own ice wall.... lma0
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Mr. Ireland on December 21, 2007, 05:27:26 PM
Good idea.  Be sure to wear your mittens!
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: cpt_bthimes on December 21, 2007, 05:50:03 PM
Click the little X at the top right corner of your screen and start walking Southward.

Don't come back.

do you not even understand your own religion?  you can walk any direction in a straight line and get there.  (if relying on a compass though, just don't pick exactly due magnetic east or west.)

i love when people say, "click the little x at top right corner".  i've tried to follow those directions before, but couldn't find one.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Mr. Ireland on December 21, 2007, 05:56:43 PM
i love when people say, "click the little x at top right corner".  i've tried to follow those directions before, but couldn't find one.

Please say there is a good reason for this, otherwise it's sig'd.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: cpt_bthimes on December 21, 2007, 05:59:13 PM
i love when people say, "click the little x at top right corner".  i've tried to follow those directions before, but couldn't find one.

Please say there is a good reason for this, otherwise it's sig'd.

i would be honored, thanks.

edit: removed a sentence that might have blown my chance at making it on your sig.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Mr. Ireland on December 21, 2007, 06:03:02 PM
So there's a reason, got it.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: maug on December 21, 2007, 06:12:15 PM
So there is no evidence to support the ice wall that surrounds the entire planet. Pretty convenient that the fog happens to obscure it, where exactly would I need to be able to see it then? Have you been there?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: GarmGarf on December 21, 2007, 06:29:47 PM
Yeah, actually why do FEers say there is a giant mountain range covered in ice around Earth's disk/cylinder?

Evidence is one thing, but what was the motive for believing that particular thought?

If I were to make a cult, with one of its beliefs being that the world was flat, I would reverse engineer my theories.

 - Something needs to stop the water falling off the side of the disc...

 - Hey, a mountain range would do that!

 - But this would technically be the south pole all around it, and people already believe that the south pole is icy.

 - How bout an icy mountain rage!

 - Voila.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 21, 2007, 06:32:57 PM
Yeah, actually why do FEers say there is a giant mountain range covered in ice around Earth's disk/cylinder?

I've seen lots of pictures.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: GarmGarf on December 21, 2007, 06:56:20 PM
Of the great Ice wall? Those pictures are obviously fakes.

The government(s) wouldn't let people take pictures of it, they would stop the people.

If there was a real non-government controlled mission to take pictures, the people would have climbed the Ice wall (as it is just a mountain range), and taken pictures of what was over it, and then there would be no discussion of "what is beyond the Ice wall?"
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Mr. Ireland on December 21, 2007, 06:58:57 PM
You do know what Antarctica is, right?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: GarmGarf on December 21, 2007, 07:06:09 PM
Me, yes.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Fisha695 on December 21, 2007, 08:19:20 PM
Yeah, actually why do FEers say there is a giant mountain range covered in ice around Earth's disk/cylinder?

I've seen lots of pictures.


We don't allow photographic evidence on this site, you fraud.

So even if you have seen those pictures we can't believe you because you are not allowed to photographic evidence on this site. Or is that only a rule for pictures that prove your asinine (IMO) theory wrong?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: GarmGarf on December 21, 2007, 08:27:24 PM
Owned.

(This is fun!)
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: TheEngineer on December 21, 2007, 11:34:05 PM
do you not even understand your own religion?  you can walk any direction in a straight line and get there.  (if relying on a compass though, just don't pick exactly due magnetic east or west.)
If you are relying on a compass, you have to go south in order to reach it.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on December 22, 2007, 12:23:45 AM
Yeah, actually why do FEers say there is a giant mountain range covered in ice around Earth's disk/cylinder?

I've seen lots of pictures.


We don't allow photographic evidence on this site, you fraud.

So even if you have seen those pictures we can't believe you because you are not allowed to photographic evidence on this site. Or is that only a rule for pictures that prove your asinine (IMO) theory wrong?

You're right, of course.  I can't prove that the pictures I've seen of Antarctica are real.  :(

If you have evidence that Antarctica doesn't exist I'd love to hear it.  Hey, maybe you could start an alternative web forum of your own with that assertion!
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: GarmGarf on December 22, 2007, 09:05:47 AM
Wait, so you saw pictures of a giant ice wall/mountain range? With water on the side?

Go on, I know it isn't solid evidence, but please post a picture, if you can. It seems interesting.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: silverhammermba on December 22, 2007, 09:33:18 AM
it's pure myth, and on top of that, Tom Bishop claims that if you climbed over it, you could keep walking south on ice forever and ever! rediculous, huh?

Except he used to say that the infinite plane theory was ridiculous and that no honest FEer takes it seriously. Ah, the wonders of rigorous scientific thought!
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 22, 2007, 10:56:02 AM
Wait, so you saw pictures of a giant ice wall/mountain range? With water on the side?

Go on, I know it isn't solid evidence, but please post a picture, if you can. It seems interesting.

http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

Along the edge of our local area exists this massive 150 foot Ice Wall. The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. It is widely known and widely studied. The Ice Wall is a series of shelves which surrounds the Antarctic rim. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface.

The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked




James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next five years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of find a south sea passage to the other side. In his book "South Sea Voyage," James Clark Ross reports a total voyage of over 60,000 nautical miles.

The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.

The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.

Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: cwolfe on December 22, 2007, 11:07:53 AM
Wait, so you saw pictures of a giant ice wall/mountain range? With water on the side?

Go on, I know it isn't solid evidence, but please post a picture, if you can. It seems interesting.

http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

Along the edge of our local area exists this massive 150 foot Ice Wall. The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. It is widely known and widely studied. The Ice Wall is a series of shelves which surrounds the Antarctic rim. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface.

The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked


    "It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass.

    It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward."


James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next five years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of find a south sea passage to the other side. In his book "South Sea Voyage," James Clark Ross reports a total voyage of over 60,000 nautical miles.

The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.

The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.

Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.

But that picture isn't any more allowable here than my picture of a spike at the exact southern pole, now is it?  And how is that man's testimony any more believable than NASA astronauts who have been to the Moon and seen the shape of the Earth from space?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: divito the truthist on December 22, 2007, 11:14:02 AM
But that picture isn't any more allowable here than my picture of a spike at the exact southern pole, now is it?  And how is that man's testimony any more believable than NASA astronauts who have been to the Moon and seen the shape of the Earth from space?

The picture isn't allowable as evidence or proof; it merely showcases a visualization of what he is discussing.

As to your second question, one could use the argument that since NASA is implicated in the conspiracy for monetary gain, how is Sir James Clark Ross to benefit from posting his own observations, whether conflicting or not?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: GarmGarf on December 22, 2007, 11:18:54 AM
But that picture isn't any more allowable here than my picture of a spike at the exact southern pole, now is it?  And how is that man's testimony any more believable than NASA astronauts who have been to the Moon and seen the shape of the Earth from space?

Yes, however, I requested the picture.


Regarding the picture, could that not just be a picture taken of a side of Antarctica? And I thought, according to FE theory, there would be soldiers there or government agents or something protecting the great Ice Wall's border.

Regardless, it is a nice picture, in my opinion.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: divito the truthist on December 22, 2007, 11:42:19 AM
Yes, however, I requested the picture.


Regarding the picture, could that not just be a picture taken of a side of Antarctica? And I thought, according to FE theory, there would be soldiers there or government agents or something protecting the great Ice Wall's border.

Regardless, it is a nice picture, in my opinion.

Please don't let Tom's own theory affect the discussion. It will only muddy matters and issues.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: cpt_bthimes on December 22, 2007, 12:02:36 PM
do you not even understand your own religion?  you can walk any direction in a straight line and get there.  (if relying on a compass though, just don't pick exactly due magnetic east or west.)
If you are relying on a compass, you have to go south in order to reach it.

as long as the compass consistently reads more south than due east or west, you'll get there.

my first sentence (which you don't seem to have a problem with) was based on not using a compass.  then, just pick a direction and stick to it.
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: cpt_bthimes on December 22, 2007, 12:19:41 PM
http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

Along the edge of our local area exists this massive 150 foot Ice Wall. The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. It is widely known and widely studied. The Ice Wall is a series of shelves which surrounds the Antarctic rim. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface. ...


bishop, i told you i won't be letting you get away with your copy/paste bullshit antics.  i am watching you.  you have been repeatedly owned on this, and i will keep reminding you.  enjoy:

This is the 150 foot Ice Wall which borders the edge of the known world: http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

congratulations, you found a picture of the ross ice shelf, taken in november 2000 (http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/2000/ma0019.htm), which you pilfered from The National Science Foundation.

and clearly you know this, because you have obfuscated the url via tinyurl.  interestingly enough, as recently as june 26 of this year (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=14826.msg241653#msg241653), you used a url which, with minimal investigation, could have revealed your fraud.  that's because the directory that image sat in (http://uwamrc.ssec.wisc.edu/images/gallery/) was a mirror for the whole nsf high-res photo collection, showing your claim to be a fraud.  further proof that you are a filthy liar and a fraud.

The series of Ice Shelves which surround the Antarctic coast is what we call the Ice Wall. Haven't you figured that out by now?

for starters, there is not an unbroken series of ice shelves around antarctica. 

second is your disingenuous way of presenting a pedestrian photo, e.g.:

  • "This is the 150 foot Ice Wall which borders the edge of the known world (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=18423.msg330940#msg330940)"

  • multiple references to "Edge of the known world (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=17885.msg313532#msg313532)"

  • multiple references to "Edge of the world (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=15585.msg254315#msg254315)"

and i love this one:[/b]

If you flew a plane over the 150 foot wall of ice at the coast of Antarctica (http://uwamrc.ssec.wisc.edu/images/gallery/B15Aedge.jpg) (Also known as the Ice Shelves) you would fly over a perpetual tundra of ice and snow. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness.

so then, what is this, from the very same series of pictures (http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/2000/ma0019.htm) as your beloved "ice wall at the edge of the known world"?

(http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/00images/weberebus.jpg)
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: cwolfe on December 22, 2007, 12:23:32 PM
http://www.coolantarctica.com/

Boy, the government should really shut this site down... encouragement of tourism to Antarctica is bound to expose the lie...

edit: In addition

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/antarctica%20fact%20file%20index.htm

I think the ice shelves mentioned on this page are the infamous "Ice Wall".
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: GarmGarf on December 22, 2007, 02:20:36 PM
Bishop, I don't think you are a stupid person.

What is your and others' motives? Is it money?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: eric bloedow on December 22, 2007, 02:55:50 PM
i've pointed this out before, but tom bishop keeps repeating the exact same lie:

In Ross's book, be tells how he circumnavigated antarctica and several other continents for a total voyage of 60,000 miles! that included side trips to tasmania and the faulkland islands!
Ross NEVER said antarctica was 60,000 miles all by itself! that's an obvious lie!

http://www.south-pole.com/p0000081.htm
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: Tom Bishop on December 22, 2007, 03:45:11 PM
Yes, Bthimes. The Ice Wall is the series of Ice Shelves at the coast of Antarctica. I believe I was quite clear on that.

And yes, there are mountains which divide the Ice Wall sections, just as my previous post described.

Bloedow, that's exactly what I said. Ross reported a total voyage of over 60,000 miles after his Antarctic polar expedition.

From page 348 of his final volume of South Sea Voyages we read:

Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: cpt_bthimes on December 22, 2007, 03:59:22 PM
so why bother talking about it?  if you readily admit you can climb up and over it, walk beyond it, fly beyond it...then is it *really* "the end of the known world" as you have repeatedly claimed (verbatim)?  no, it isn't.  it's just a fucking ice shelf.  get over it.  and quit calling it "the end of the known world".

...Some Flat Earth proponents believe that there is another larger ice wall at an unknown distance beyond the Antarctic coast which has never been discovered by man. This hypothetical wall is tens of thousands of feet high and contains the atmosphere. Beyond this wall exists space...
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: eric bloedow on December 22, 2007, 07:09:56 PM
amazing. tom bishop really believes that repeating his lie will make it true!

i'll say it again: Ross made multiple trips to AND from antarctica, over the course of 4 or 5 years, which ADDED UP to a total of 60,000 miles, including the initial leg from Great Brittan!

how many thousands of miles is it from Great Brittan to Antactica?
Title: Re: If the earth is flat...
Post by: silverhammermba on December 23, 2007, 06:34:59 PM
Also, I would hardly call a single ice shelf evidence of an all-encircling ice wall around the entire world.

Here's a quote following Tom Bishop's
" 'It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached to the southward.' Two weeks and 250 miles later they had still not reached its end - although at one point it sank to a height of 50 feet, allowing Ross a glimpse from his mast of 'an immense plain of frosted silver' - and with the austral summer coming to an end they dared not risk being trapped. On 9 February they turned for Tasmania."

Therefore, obviously, the entire Earth is surrounded by a 150 foot ice wall.