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Title: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 01:39:20 PM
This thread is to demonstrate that anything can be debated endlessly, regardless of how absurd what your debating may be.

The example I am choosing to use is my computer.

The challenge is to you!  Any of you who wish to actually debate.

The claim: 

My computer has a soul, and can think for itself.



I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 30, 2007, 01:41:39 PM
The 'ghost in the machine' Idea has always interested me. I think i'll back that claim up, computers are always bitches to me
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 30, 2007, 01:42:02 PM
This thread is to demonstrate that anything can be debated endlessly, regardless of how absurd what your debating may be.

The example I am choosing to use is my computer.

The challenge is to you!  Any of you who wish to actually debate.

The claim: 

My computer has a soul, and can think for itself.



I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.


Virus programming. /thread
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 01:44:22 PM
This thread is to demonstrate that anything can be debated endlessly, regardless of how absurd what your debating may be.

The example I am choosing to use is my computer.

The challenge is to you!  Any of you who wish to actually debate.

The claim: 

My computer has a soul, and can think for itself.



I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.


Virus programming. /thread

so your fragmented sentence is your debate?  Try not to over analyze the subject would ya?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 30, 2007, 01:52:47 PM
Ok, your computer has a soul. What's your point?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
Ok, your computer has a soul. What's your point?

My point is I'm always right....Thanks for confirming my theory!  ;)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 30, 2007, 01:56:16 PM
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I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.

The human mind is nothing but flesh and electronics
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 01:57:35 PM

The human mind is nothing but flesh and electronics

Does this mean you are agree'ing that my computer does in fact have a soul?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 30, 2007, 02:02:32 PM
It does indeed.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 02:07:23 PM

Ok...  well seeing as this isn't quite working out as I had planned, I'm going to switch my stance and debate that a computer does not have a soul.

A computer cannot have a soul because it is not ALIVE.  It is merely trace elements combined together through man-made processes.

A computer can only do what a person has programmed it to do!  Debate That!  :D
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 30, 2007, 02:10:23 PM
A human mind can only operate as it is 'programmed' to do through it's genetic code. If computers cannot have souls, then neither can we.

Who is to say that souls are exclusive to living things?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Mr. Ireland on August 30, 2007, 02:15:32 PM
Your worthless thread fails.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 30, 2007, 02:17:31 PM
A human is just an organic computer.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 30, 2007, 02:18:12 PM
Your worthless thread fails.

aw, leave him be, it's a pretty interesting topic
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 02:30:16 PM
Your worthless thread fails.

To a simpleton, I suppose it did, I apologize for not using crayons instead of typed text.


A human is just an organic computer.

Humans are much more then just organic, we have the divine spirit within us.  It wasn't always this way ya know.

Monkeys do not have souls, neither do dogs, cats, or any other animals.  Humans are the only beings with a soul.

Our souls are made of light energy that never dies, are organic form is just a vessel for a short time here and now.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 02:33:59 PM
A human mind can only operate as it is 'programmed' to do through it's genetic code. If computers cannot have souls, then neither can we.

Not True....  Our genetic code may control how tall we grow, or what color our eyes are.  But environment and the act of learning is seperate then genetics.

Who is to say that souls are exclusive to living things?

I say...  prove me wrong.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 30, 2007, 02:38:47 PM
Humans are much more then just organic, we have the divine spirit within us.  It wasn't always this way ya know.

Monkeys do not have souls, neither do dogs, cats, or any other animals.  Humans are the only beings with a soul.

Our souls are made of light energy that never dies, are organic form is just a vessel for a short time here and now.

Our sapience makes us think this.

Not True....  Our genetic code may control how tall we grow, or what color our eyes are.  But environment and the act of learning is seperate then genetics.

No, our genetic code also tells us what to do with the information. For instance, look at savants, or autistic savants, etc...
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 30, 2007, 02:50:19 PM
Your worthless thread fails.

To a simpleton, I suppose it did, I apologize for not using crayons instead of typed text.


A human is just an organic computer.

Humans are much more then just organic, we have the divine spirit within us.  It wasn't always this way ya know.

Monkeys do not have souls, neither do dogs, cats, or any other animals.  Humans are the only beings with a soul.

Our souls are made of light energy that never dies, are organic form is just a vessel for a short time here and now.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 30, 2007, 03:01:30 PM
This thread is to demonstrate that anything can be debated endlessly, regardless of how absurd what your debating may be.

The example I am choosing to use is my computer.

The challenge is to you!  Any of you who wish to actually debate.

The claim: 

My computer has a soul, and can think for itself.



I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.


I already bought it's soul from it. Your computer is now souless.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 30, 2007, 03:03:04 PM
Your worthless thread fails.

To a simpleton, I suppose it did, I apologize for not using crayons instead of typed text.


A human is just an organic computer.

Humans are much more then just organic, we have the divine spirit within us.  It wasn't always this way ya know.

Monkeys do not have souls, neither do dogs, cats, or any other animals.  Humans are the only beings with a soul.

Our souls are made of light energy that never dies, are organic form is just a vessel for a short time here and now.

Your mom doesn't have a soul after what we did last night. ;)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 03:08:24 PM
Not True....  Our genetic code may control how tall we grow, or what color our eyes are.  But environment and the act of learning is seperate then genetics.
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No, our genetic code also tells us what to do with the information. For instance, look at savants, or autistic savants, etc...

savants and autistic....have mutations in their genes, they do not realize what they are calculating, there is a big difference between knowing what your doing, and doing something without thinking.  If you cannot control your calculations then they are un usable, making them irrelevant and pointless.



Humans are much more then just organic, we have the divine spirit within us.  It wasn't always this way ya know.

Monkeys do not have souls, neither do dogs, cats, or any other animals.  Humans are the only beings with a soul.

Our souls are made of light energy that never dies, are organic form is just a vessel for a short time here and now.
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Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?

I will now refer you to the oldest and most widely read book on the planet.  The Holy Bible.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 30, 2007, 03:08:48 PM
This thread is to demonstrate that anything can be debated endlessly, regardless of how absurd what your debating may be.

The example I am choosing to use is my computer.

The challenge is to you!  Any of you who wish to actually debate.

The claim: 

My computer has a soul, and can think for itself.



I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.


Virus programming. /thread

so your fragmented sentence is your debate?  Try not to over analyze the subject would ya?

A - Define a soul.

B - A machine overrun with strong code can act on its own volition.

C - There is nothing to debate.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 03:10:41 PM
Your mom doesn't have a soul after what we did last night. ;)

Yo momma jokes....aye?  wah wah....you hurted my feelwings. 

And at the same time you demonstrated to everyone you lack of intelligence.  try again. 
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 03:14:36 PM
This thread is to demonstrate that anything can be debated endlessly, regardless of how absurd what your debating may be.

The example I am choosing to use is my computer.

The challenge is to you!  Any of you who wish to actually debate.

The claim: 

My computer has a soul, and can think for itself.



I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.


Virus programming. /thread

so your fragmented sentence is your debate?  Try not to over analyze the subject would ya?

A - Define a soul.

B - A machine overrun with strong code can act on its own volition.

C - There is nothing to debate.

A:  since you are too handicapped to look it up in webster:

Main Entry: 1soul
Pronunciation: 'sOl
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English soule, from Old English sAwol; akin to Old High German sEula soul
1 : the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life
2 a : the spiritual principle embodied in human beings, all rational and spiritual beings, or the universe b capitalized, Christian Science : GOD 1b
3 : a person's total self
4 a : an active or essential part b : a moving spirit : LEADER
5 a : the moral and emotional nature of human beings b : the quality that arouses emotion and sentiment c : spiritual or moral force : FERVOR
6 : PERSON <not a soul in sight>
7 : PERSONIFICATION <she is the soul of integrity>

B.  A computer overun with strong code...???  That code came from where?  Thin Air?  I think not.  A HUMAN wrote the code.

C.  That's what I think about your Flat Earth Theory!   
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Mr. Ireland on August 30, 2007, 03:15:46 PM
Your mom doesn't have a soul after what we did last night. ;)

Yo momma jokes....aye?  wah wah....you hurted my feelwings. 

And at the same time you demonstrated to everyone you lack of intelligence.  try again. 
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 30, 2007, 03:16:14 PM
Your mom doesn't have a soul after what we did last night. ;)

Yo momma jokes....aye?  wah wah....you hurted my feelwings. 

And at the same time you demonstrated to everyone you lack of intelligence.  try again. 

Well i allowed you to demonstrate your own lack of intelligence.

a) the setup of the brain if not the actual programming (learning) is decided by genetics.

b) You said if you didn't know about the calculations you were doing then they wouldn't count, I would say a computer has no idea what calculations it is doing, why else would they willingly erase their own minds, or damage their own hardware?

When you actually have facts or at least a decent theory to keep me entertained i will provide more than momma jokes. Mids and I had a long debate a few days ago because he actually can bring up points that don't make me think he's another tool repeating what he learned in sunday school / middle school.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 30, 2007, 03:17:54 PM
Not True....  Our genetic code may control how tall we grow, or what color our eyes are.  But environment and the act of learning is seperate then genetics.
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No, our genetic code also tells us what to do with the information. For instance, look at savants, or autistic savants, etc...

savants and autistic....have mutations in their genes, they do not realize what they are calculating, there is a big difference between knowing what your doing, and doing something without thinking.  If you cannot control your calculations then they are un usable, making them irrelevant and pointless.



Humans are much more then just organic, we have the divine spirit within us.  It wasn't always this way ya know.

Monkeys do not have souls, neither do dogs, cats, or any other animals.  Humans are the only beings with a soul.

Our souls are made of light energy that never dies, are organic form is just a vessel for a short time here and now.
Quote
Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?

I will now refer you to the oldest and most widely read book on the planet.  The Holy Bible.

The Bible is not evidence.

Yes the programing defines what it does but what is the energy which defines and drives a program?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 03:19:30 PM

When you actually have facts or at least a decent theory to keep me entertained i will provide more than momma jokes. Mids and I had a long debate a few days ago because he actually can bring up points that don't make me think he's another tool repeating what he learned in sunday school / middle school.

And this is why you hang on my every word....right!

I would like any of you....just once to present me, with some FACTS about this Flat Earth Theory....

You should really practice what you preach..... tsk tsk
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 30, 2007, 03:22:57 PM

When you actually have facts or at least a decent theory to keep me entertained i will provide more than momma jokes. Mids and I had a long debate a few days ago because he actually can bring up points that don't make me think he's another tool repeating what he learned in sunday school / middle school.

And this is why you hang on my every word....right!

I would like any of you....just once to present me, with some FACTS about this Flat Earth Theory....

You should really practice what you preach..... tsk tsk

I hang on your every word for the same reason SETI scans the skies, the search for intelligent life.
One day i hope to see a glimmer of it shine through your posts but until then i'll be there to laugh at your failures.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 03:23:43 PM

When you actually have facts or at least a decent theory to keep me entertained i will provide more than momma jokes. Mids and I had a long debate a few days ago because he actually can bring up points that don't make me think he's another tool repeating what he learned in sunday school / middle school.

And this is why you hang on my every word....right!

I would like any of you....just once to present me, with some FACTS about this Flat Earth Theory....

You should really practice what you preach..... tsk tsk

I hang on your every word for the same reason SETI scans the skies, the search for intelligent life.
One day i hope to see a glimmer of it shine through your posts but until then i'll be there to laugh at your failures.

Now that's flattering....are you gay?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 30, 2007, 03:26:29 PM
29 replies in a little over an hour....  Not one thing substantial from any of ya's

Think I'll check back in a day or so, allow you all to collaborate on maybe one intelligent debate or rebuttal.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 30, 2007, 03:28:59 PM
29 replies in a little over an hour....  Not one thing substantial from any of ya's

Think I'll check back in a day or so, allow you all to collaborate on maybe one intelligent debate or rebuttal.

Well in that day or so please at least come up with something not inanely retarded.
I probably could have refuted any of your points (and did refute a few) we just like the bar set above 7th grade.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 30, 2007, 03:29:51 PM
29 replies in a little over an hour....  Not one thing substantial from any of ya's

Think I'll check back in a day or so, allow you all to collaborate on maybe one intelligent debate or rebuttal.

Hello? I was trying to but then you got distracted with childish name calling
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 30, 2007, 03:30:49 PM
savants and autistic....have mutations in their genes, they do not realize what they are calculating, there is a big difference between knowing what your doing, and doing something without thinking.  If you cannot control your calculations then they are un usable, making them irrelevant and pointless.

Like I said, sapience makes us think this. Sapience doesn't prove a soul.

The reason I made the point of savants is because their code is different. Their "act of learning" code isn't the same as others. They have the ability to process information, but only certain information. This would be the equivalent of a poorly formed input system that doesn't take in certain variables.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 30, 2007, 04:18:12 PM
This thread is to demonstrate that anything can be debated endlessly, regardless of how absurd what your debating may be.

The example I am choosing to use is my computer.

The challenge is to you!  Any of you who wish to actually debate.

The claim: 

My computer has a soul, and can think for itself.



I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.


Virus programming. /thread

so your fragmented sentence is your debate?  Try not to over analyze the subject would ya?

A - Define a soul.

B - A machine overrun with strong code can act on its own volition.

C - There is nothing to debate.

A:  since you are too handicapped to look it up in webster:

Main Entry: 1soul
Pronunciation: 'sOl
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English soule, from Old English sAwol; akin to Old High German sEula soul
1 : the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life
2 a : the spiritual principle embodied in human beings, all rational and spiritual beings, or the universe b capitalized, Christian Science : GOD 1b
3 : a person's total self
4 a : an active or essential part b : a moving spirit : LEADER
5 a : the moral and emotional nature of human beings b : the quality that arouses emotion and sentiment c : spiritual or moral force : FERVOR
6 : PERSON <not a soul in sight>
7 : PERSONIFICATION <she is the soul of integrity>

B.  A computer overun with strong code...???  That code came from where?  Thin Air?  I think not.  A HUMAN wrote the code.

C.  That's what I think about your Flat Earth Theory!   

A - I didn't say give me an opinion from a book. I said define a soul. You were speaking of your computer first having, then not having, a soul. Therefore, your entire thread is a pisstake designed to validate your purpose on the board, from your own perspective. Shallow gene pool, with gerbils drowning in it.

B - I made no mention about where virus code on said machine came from. Branching from your answer was your own mentally deficient decision, not my own. Thus, you are arguing with yourself. Again, Shallow gene pool, with gerbils drowning in it.

C - Flat Earth Theory is not my theory, and thus what you think about it has no relevance to my reality. I do not believe the Earth is flat, therefore what you think is, again, a gerbil, drowning within the shallow pool of its genes.

D - This thread belongs in complete nonsense.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: John Davis on August 30, 2007, 04:19:32 PM
Of course it has a soul - but the real question:

Does it dream of electric sheep?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 30, 2007, 04:20:28 PM
Of course it has a soul - but the real question:

Does it dream of electric sheep?

Finally, a post that has meat on it. Baah Baah!
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 30, 2007, 05:36:23 PM
My Computer does not have a soul. I was planning on picking one up at CompUSA, but they were all out. :(
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: sokarul on August 30, 2007, 05:42:21 PM
No one has claimed the prize for the Turing test.  So if your computer has a soul then go take the test and collect the prize.   
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: John Davis on August 30, 2007, 06:39:17 PM
No one has claimed the prize for the Turing test.  So if your computer has a soul then go take the test and collect the prize.   
So you say something must be "intelligent" to have a soul? 

Do you have anything to backup your outlandish claims?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 30, 2007, 09:16:39 PM
It is my personal belief that anything, whether animate or inanimate, has the potential to possess a soul.  Who is anybody to argue that your computer doesn't have a soul?  Maybe my computer has a soul, too.  Since a soul isn't something that can be tangibly observed how can we be so presumptuous to believe that only we possess one as human beings, or even as living creatures?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 30, 2007, 09:19:07 PM
This thread definitely has no soul. In fact, it's purpose died in the mind (small) of its creator, and is now a placenta, rotting on the floor of a mad doctor's study.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: cmdshft on August 30, 2007, 09:19:37 PM
tl;dr

this is shit
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 30, 2007, 09:34:13 PM
Really, there is no rational reason to believe that souls exist at all.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: sokarul on August 30, 2007, 10:50:27 PM
No one has claimed the prize for the Turing test.  So if your computer has a soul then go take the test and collect the prize.   
So you say something must be "intelligent" to have a soul? 

Do you have anything to backup your outlandish claims?

Its artifical-intelligents. 
A computer cannot think for itself.  No matter how many viruses it has. 
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 30, 2007, 10:52:44 PM
Technically, we're all just machines.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 30, 2007, 10:55:39 PM
Its artifical-intelligents. 
A computer cannot think for itself.  No matter how many viruses it has. 

A computer alone cannot think for itself. The software/firmware tells it what to think and say. Technically, it could think for itself provided it was programmed really complexly.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: sokarul on August 30, 2007, 11:08:07 PM
Its artifical-intelligents. 
A computer cannot think for itself.  No matter how many viruses it has. 

A computer alone cannot think for itself. The software/firmware tells it what to think and say. Technically, it could think for itself provided it was programmed really complexly.

Thats what the Turing test is for. 
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 30, 2007, 11:10:11 PM
It's something that could happen in the near future, assuming it hasn't happened already.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 30, 2007, 11:16:05 PM
Thats what the Turing test is for. 

Basically, ya.

It's something that could happen in the near future, assuming it hasn't happened already.

"As of 2007, no computer has passed the Turing test as such. Simple conversational programs such as ELIZA have fooled people into believing they are talking to another human being, such as in an informal experiment termed AOLiza. However, such "successes" are not the same as a Turing Test."

It would take an incredible programmer to just pass the Turing test. Advanced AI would be even farther down the line.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 30, 2007, 11:23:23 PM
You dipshits obviously have never learned what AI actually is. It is not a Stephen Speilburg movie. It is a process by which a machine can reason on it's own. There is an entire fucking Scientific BODY behind this.

The data presented here is a Trojan Horse. It is false. It is pretentious. It is, to be brutal, pathetically predictable and transparent.

Fucking morons. *goes and does something less ignorant*
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: sokarul on August 30, 2007, 11:33:49 PM
You dipshits obviously have never learned what AI actually is. It is not a Stephen Speilburg movie. It is a process by which a machine can reason on it's own. There is an entire fucking Scientific BODY behind this.

The data presented here is a Trojan Horse. It is false. It is pretentious. It is, to be brutal, pathetically predictable and transparent.

Fucking morons. *goes and does something less ignorant*
I believe you meant to say you have no idea what the fuck is going on.
Please go and do something so you don't spew your shit int his thread.   
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 31, 2007, 12:13:35 AM
You dipshits obviously have never learned what AI actually is. It is not a Stephen Speilburg movie. It is a process by which a machine can reason on it's own. There is an entire fucking Scientific BODY behind this.

The data presented here is a Trojan Horse. It is false. It is pretentious. It is, to be brutal, pathetically predictable and transparent.

Fucking morons. *goes and does something less ignorant*

Who is this mess directed towards?

"The term artificial intelligence (AI) was first used by John McCarthy who used it to mean "the science and engineering of making intelligent machines".[1] It can also refer to intelligence as exhibited by an artificial (man-made, non-natural, manufactured) entity. While AI is the generally accepted term, others, including both Computational intelligence and Synthetic intelligence, have been proposed as potentially being "more accurate".[2] The terms strong and weak AI can be used to narrow the definition for classifying such systems. AI is studied in overlapping fields of computer science, psychology, philosophy, neuroscience, linguistics, and engineering, dealing with intelligent behavior, learning, and adaptation and usually developed using customized machines or computers."


Were we talking about something else?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 12:37:28 AM
Not directed toward Divito, nor Roundy, nor anyone but Encycolpedia-Know-It-All-ica.

Sokarul, see my thread "Neo-Charlatans" for your bitch slap.

As for the "Advanced AI" comment, lookup the Honda Robot AI team. It can outperform you on many tests (and tasks). Then we will talk shop. Until then, enjoy the belief you have any concept of what the fuck you are debating about.

And for the record, I have been in this thread since it began, Suckanut. I have watched with first amusement, then horror at how ignorant the conversation became. You are the star of this Intelligence Demise.

*goes to sleep with a sincere sneer of contempt for fools*
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 31, 2007, 01:10:54 AM
Mm, are you referring to ASIMO? I haven't noted any other Honda developments being reported. And I was speaking of more advanced than even that. Have a good sleep.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: John Davis on August 31, 2007, 03:31:39 AM
However, I'm not even talking about intelligence or sentience.   You can't just say "something has a soul if its intelligent or sentient." 

And so I ask again,
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Do you have anything to backup your outlandish claims?


Anyways, as far as AI goes, I think people would  much rather have a proof for  P = NP than something that passes the turing test or a robot that can learn to walk.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: John Davis on August 31, 2007, 03:44:55 AM
B.  A computer overun with strong code...???  That code came from where?  Thin Air?  I think not.  A HUMAN wrote the code.
It could be random data.

Many artificial life experiments start with random or semi-random data.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 05:02:33 AM
You can't just say "something has a soul if its intelligent or sentient." 

I can say anything I wish. I didn't say that however. I was talking about sentience and not a soul. We already established earlier on that this thread has no purpose regarding that discussion. No living person on this planet can DEFINE WHAT A SOUL IS, and none of you have certainly done that lofty milestone.

Thus, nothing said in this thread has any possible way to be defeated, or won, because none of you CAN DEFINE WHAT A SOUL IS, AND THUS CANNOT ASSIGN ONE TO ANYTHING!
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: John Davis on August 31, 2007, 05:25:31 AM
You can't just say "something has a soul if its intelligent or sentient." 

I can say anything I wish. I didn't say that however. I was talking about sentience and not a soul. We already established earlier on that this thread has no purpose regarding that discussion. No living person on this planet can DEFINE WHAT A SOUL IS, and none of you have certainly done that lofty milestone.

Thus, nothing said in this thread has any possible way to be defeated, or won, because none of you CAN DEFINE WHAT A SOUL IS, AND THUS CANNOT ASSIGN ONE TO ANYTHING!
I can define anything I wish.

Edit:

And from what I've read of your posts, you should neither be one to criticize prententiousness or to claim you know more about AI than anyone else here.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Trekky0623 on August 31, 2007, 05:56:58 AM
What is a soul?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 31, 2007, 06:02:54 AM
What is a soul?

Souls are what i deal in. They are my gold, they are my tender. What i trade away is of no consequence. My prize is the only truly priceless item. The loss of which is eternal.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 08:08:26 AM
Soul: many definitions exist, but the common theme is a relation to life.

Seperating a soul from its host causes death.

To seperate my body, you must seperate my soul.

To seperate a computer, you must seperate its soul.

My seperated body, will die. Either the seperated portion, or the whole.

My computer seperated, can live and function. While a finite limit on seperations exist, the computer can exist as 2 or more individual and seperate parts.

Therefore, the computer, as a whole, cannot have one soul. If it has a soul, it has many. One for each of it's atomic parts.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 08:32:10 AM
My computer seperated, can live and function. While a finite limit on seperations exist, the computer can exist as 2 or more individual and seperate parts.
What about organ transplants?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 08:33:57 AM
My computer seperated, can live and function. While a finite limit on seperations exist, the computer can exist as 2 or more individual and seperate parts.
What about organ transplants?

Interesting idea. Most advocates of soul (no not the blues brothers) would say the transplant would die until it was placed in a body with a soul. The body with a soul would give life to the organ.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 08:41:25 AM
Interesting idea. Most advocates of soul (no not the blues brothers) would say the transplant would die until it was placed in a body with a soul. The body with a soul would give life to the organ.
Well, organ transplants are no different than changing parts in a computer. A computer part will not function properly unless it is connected to a power source (in most cases, a computer), just like an organ will not function properly unless it is attached to a person.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 08:47:34 AM
Interesting idea. Most advocates of soul (no not the blues brothers) would say the transplant would die until it was placed in a body with a soul. The body with a soul would give life to the organ.
Well, organ transplants are no different than changing parts in a computer. A computer part will not function properly unless it is connected to a power source (in most cases, a computer), just like an organ will not function properly unless it is attached to a person.

Not to say you don't have a good point, but the comparison is fairly different. Without a host, the organ will irreversably die. A computer part will not die without a host, but it can also function. A simple example, your CPU fan can be entirely removed from the computer and still perform its function if it has power.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 31, 2007, 08:59:47 AM
put an electric charge through a muscle and it will work
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 09:00:25 AM
put an electric charge through a muscle and it will work

Only while the tissue is alive.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 09:02:03 AM
Not to say you don't have a good point, but the comparison is fairly different. Without a host, the organ will irreversably die. A computer part will not die without a host, but it can also function. A simple example, your CPU fan can be entirely removed from the computer and still perform its function if it has power.
Organs can be kept alive and working in labs.

A computer is not made of living tissue, so the parts cannot die or decay. You are basically falling back on the "It isn't alive, so it can't have a soul." argument.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 31, 2007, 09:02:17 AM
disagree. My nan used to kill chickens to eat. The leg, once well and truly dead would still twitch with a pulse through it (or work completely as a claw if you pulled the nerves)

EDIT: Disagreeing with Narc, not the one who made the lab comment
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 09:05:56 AM
disagree. My nan used to kill chickens to eat. The leg, once well and truly dead would still twitch with a pulse through it (or work completely as a claw if you pulled the nerves)
That's because the tissue was still alive.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 31, 2007, 09:09:30 AM
Perhaps then, the soul of a PC would be in the core of the machine itself, not the individual parts. The keyboad/monitor etc can be changed but the soul of a PC remain intact
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 09:13:22 AM
Perhaps then, the soul of a PC would be in the core of the machine itself, not the individual parts. The keyboad/monitor etc can be changed but the soul of a PC remain intact

If you say that, you are redefining soul for the immediate purpose. If applied to the actual argument, you would be saying the soul is my core organs, or at a more fundamental level whatever it is that makes my organs alive. A beaker of saline could be defined as the soul of laboratory tissues.

While there might be a principal connection, it would be wise to not consider it an actual like'ism.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 09:14:21 AM
Perhaps then, the soul of a PC would be in the core of the machine itself, not the individual parts. The keyboad/monitor etc can be changed but the soul of a PC remain intact
If that were true then the same thing would hold true for a person.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 09:17:26 AM
If you say that, you are redefining soul for the immediate purpose. If applied to the actual argument, you would be saying the soul is my core organs, or at a more fundamental level whatever it is that makes my organs alive. A beaker of saline could be defined as the soul of laboratory tissues.

While there might be a principal connection, it would be wise to not consider it an actual like'ism.
A soul is not supposed to be a material object. This entire argument is really about what is capable of being a container for a soul. Nobody is redefining soul, we are just speculating what can hold one.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 09:26:52 AM
Skipping my bs, 2 pages of flames and a gulliver/divito anti-semanticism...


What is mechanically different from a living cell and a dead cell?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: sokarul on August 31, 2007, 10:03:37 AM
Not directed toward Divito, nor Roundy, nor anyone but Encycolpedia-Know-It-All-ica.

Sokarul, see my thread "Neo-Charlatans" for your bitch slap.

As for the "Advanced AI" comment, lookup the Honda Robot AI team. It can outperform you on many tests (and tasks). Then we will talk shop. Until then, enjoy the belief you have any concept of what the fuck you are debating about.

And for the record, I have been in this thread since it began, Suckanut. I have watched with first amusement, then horror at how ignorant the conversation became. You are the star of this Intelligence Demise.

*goes to sleep with a sincere sneer of contempt for fools*
I know exactly what I am debating about.  AI is much more than just the Grunts in Halo, the Germans in Call of Duty, and a sports team in a sports game.   

ASIMO has trouble walking up stiars.  Its not even close to AI yet. 
For AI see the movies IRobot and Blade Runner.  Even then, the robots in those movies aren't perfect. 
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 10:05:38 AM
The test is simple, can you have a conversation and not realize you are conversing with a robot. Once we are at that stage, the test will change, but we are nowhere close.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Mr. Ireland on August 31, 2007, 10:08:51 AM
I like how the OP is nowhere in sight.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 11:28:15 AM
You can't just say "something has a soul if its intelligent or sentient." 

I can say anything I wish. I didn't say that however. I was talking about sentience and not a soul. We already established earlier on that this thread has no purpose regarding that discussion. No living person on this planet can DEFINE WHAT A SOUL IS, and none of you have certainly done that lofty milestone.

Thus, nothing said in this thread has any possible way to be defeated, or won, because none of you CAN DEFINE WHAT A SOUL IS, AND THUS CANNOT ASSIGN ONE TO ANYTHING!
I can define anything I wish.

Edit:

And from what I've read of your posts, you should neither be one to criticize prententiousness or to claim you know more about AI than anyone else here.

Straw Men Are 2d.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 11:32:15 AM
ASIMO has trouble walking up stiars.  Its not even close to AI yet.

You need to read current tech journals. Your head is going to fall off soon.


Even then, the robots in those movies aren't perfect.

Nothing is perfect, and I never claimed otherwise. My point was your entire argument is based on incorrect assumptions based on old data about things you obviously learned about on wikipedia. The failure is PREGNANT.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 11:34:23 AM
ASIMO has trouble walking up stiars.  Its not even close to AI yet.

I like to think people with MS are without intelligence. You sir, are a victor!
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 11:35:04 AM
Speaking of 'artifical intelligence'. The nonperson qualifies.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: sokarul on August 31, 2007, 11:46:50 AM
ASIMO has trouble walking up stiars.  Its not even close to AI yet.

You need to read current tech journals. Your head is going to fall off soon.


Even then, the robots in those movies aren't perfect.

Nothing is perfect, and I never claimed otherwise. My point was your entire argument is based on incorrect assumptions based on old data about things you obviously learned about on wikipedia. The failure is PREGNANT.
I like science.  I have seen quite a few shows about robots.  I did not have to consult wiki.
As soon as ASIMO can pass the Turing test then you can talk. 
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 11:49:42 AM
I like science.  I have seen quite a few shows about robots.  I did not have to consult wiki.

Television. The yardstick by which all debate is measured. I concede out of sheer certainty this debate is useless because you are incapable of serious conversation.

As soon as ASIMO can pass the Turing test then you can talk.

Again, welcome to "Behind the Curve".
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: BOGWarrior89 on August 31, 2007, 11:51:49 AM
Where is this "soul"?  Can I see it?  Hold it?  Touch it?  Fry it, bake it, throw it, hear it, smell it, taste it?  You must prove the existence of a soul before you can say whether or not something has one or not.










P.S. - Good luck.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: sokarul on August 31, 2007, 11:54:17 AM
I like science.  I have seen quite a few shows about robots.  I did not have to consult wiki.

Television. The yardstick by which all debate is measured. I concede out of sheer certainty this debate is useless because you are incapable of serious conversation.

As soon as ASIMO can pass the Turing test then you can talk.

Again, welcome to "Behind the Curve".
lol

Exactly what part of a dancing robot is AI?  Maybe its the ability to use stairs and run.  
(http://)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Trekky0623 on August 31, 2007, 12:26:49 PM
A computer is not alive.  It does not respond to stimuli, it doesn't give off waste, it doesn't reproduce.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 31, 2007, 12:55:45 PM
A computer is not alive.  It does not respond to stimuli, it doesn't give off waste, it doesn't reproduce.

What do you mean doesn't give off waste? They produce waste heat. They don't respond to stimuli yet. Reproduction is another story.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 31, 2007, 02:10:14 PM
A computer is not alive.  It does not respond to stimuli, it doesn't give off waste, it doesn't reproduce.

What do you mean doesn't give off waste? They produce waste heat. They don't respond to stimuli yet. Reproduction is another story.

They do respond to stimuli though. Keyboard sending in electronic signals isn't stimuli.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: divito the truthist on August 31, 2007, 02:21:23 PM
They do respond to stimuli though. Keyboard sending in electronic signals isn't stimuli.

I'm speaking of replicating skin stimuli and stuff though.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
lol

Exactly what part of a dancing robot is AI?  Maybe its the ability to use stairs and run. 
(http://)
How about this robot:
http://www.robotster.org/entry/robot-senses-and-adapts-to-damage-in-its-body/

It might not speak, but it still has true AI.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: sokarul on August 31, 2007, 02:30:50 PM
lol

Exactly what part of a dancing robot is AI?  Maybe its the ability to use stairs and run. 
(http://)
How about this robot:
http://www.robotster.org/entry/robot-senses-and-adapts-to-damage-in-its-body/

It might not speak, but it still has true AI.

Nope
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 02:35:20 PM
Where is this "soul"?  Can I see it?  Hold it?  Touch it?  Fry it, bake it, throw it, hear it, smell it, taste it?  You must prove the existence of a soul before you can say whether or not something has one or not.










P.S. - Good luck.

B.O.G. Won this one.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 02:36:29 PM
Really, there is no rational reason to believe that souls exist at all.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 31, 2007, 03:17:48 PM
Its artifical-intelligents. 
A computer cannot think for itself.  No matter how many viruses it has. 

A computer alone cannot think for itself. The software/firmware tells it what to think and say. Technically, it could think for itself provided it was programmed really complexly.

Soul: many definitions exist, but the common theme is a relation to life.

Seperating a soul from its host causes death.

To seperate my body, you must seperate my soul.

To seperate a computer, you must seperate its soul.

My seperated body, will die. Either the seperated portion, or the whole.

My computer seperated, can live and function. While a finite limit on seperations exist, the computer can exist as 2 or more individual and seperate parts.

Therefore, the computer, as a whole, cannot have one soul. If it has a soul, it has many. One for each of it's atomic parts.




This thread definitely has no soul. In fact, it's purpose died in the mind (small) of its creator, and is now a placenta, rotting on the floor of a mad doctor's study.

I am sorry you haven't realized that although I have only been here 3 days total, and started 2 threads total.  I have engaged damn near every active member on this board with this thread.  This obviously speaks true my existence as a rotting placenta.  Aye? 

To the rest of you, I am happy to see you all actually engaging into this very tricky debate.

Peace
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 05:26:04 PM
Really, there is no rational reason to believe that souls exist at all.

I stand corrected, MasterChief won the thread, and B.O.G had sloppy seconds.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 05:31:09 PM
To the rest of you, I am happy to see you all actually engaging into this very tricky debate.

I am still not seeing this great debate. We have one mindless tool claiming his PC has a soul, then swapping his own stance for shits and giggles (mildly creative, but not innovative; learn from Tom) then we have several people arguing about how intelligent robots have become (based on year + old data and DEAR GOD, Hollywood straw men references to support antithesis), then we have you claiming the debate has been a success despite people pointing out...that...there...is...no...debate...to...be had....

Yep, sounds like an academic touchstone to me *grin*

A soul cannot be defined, because any definition of it is an opinion, because there exists no proof a soul exists. This leads one to conclude that anything assigned a soul is an erroneous assignment, because the presence of said soul cannot be validated by any concept under the sky in which you have somehow managed to remain breathing, despite your obstinate refusal to admit your "debate" simply does not exist.

And the Raspberry for "Best Comedy Thread Concept" goes to...
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Trekky0623 on August 31, 2007, 06:07:41 PM
Can a robot have feeling toward a person?  Is it sentient, or aware of it's own existence?  Can it adapt and evolve?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on August 31, 2007, 06:08:26 PM
Can a robot have feeling toward a person?  Is it sentient, or aware of it's own existence?  Can it adapt and evolve?

If you cannot devise a way to measure that, it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Trekky0623 on August 31, 2007, 06:10:19 PM
To the rest of you, I am happy to see you all actually engaging into this very tricky debate.

I am still not seeing this great debate. We have one mindless tool claiming his PC has a soul, then swapping his own stance for shits and giggles (mildly creative, but not innovative; learn from Tom) then we have several people arguing about how intelligent robots have become (based on year + old data and DEAR GOD, Hollywood straw men references to support antithesis), then we have you claiming the debate has been a success despite people pointing out...that...there...is...no...debate...to...be had....

Yep, sounds like an academic touchstone to me *grin*

A soul cannot be defined, because any definition of it is an opinion, because there exists no proof a soul exists. This leads one to conclude that anything assigned a soul is an erroneous assignment, because the presence of said soul cannot be validated by any concept under the sky in which you have somehow managed to remain breathing, despite your obstinate refusal to admit your "debate" simply does not exist.

And the Raspberry for "Best Comedy Thread Concept" goes to...

Hence...

What is a soul?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 06:20:16 PM
An unanswerable question.

/thread
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 31, 2007, 07:56:11 PM
A soul cannot be defined, because any definition of it is an opinion, because there exists no proof a soul exists. This leads one to conclude that anything assigned a soul is an erroneous assignment, because the presence of said soul cannot be validated by any concept under the sky in which you have somehow managed to remain breathing, despite your obstinate refusal to admit your "debate" simply does not exist.

And the Raspberry for "Best Comedy Thread Concept" goes to...

Hmmm....this sounds like your debating me...  Yet there is no debate, so that would mean you are debating yourself?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 07:57:44 PM
Hmmm....this sounds like your debating me...  Yet there is no debate, so that would mean you are debating yourself?
Pointing out that it is not a debatable topic is debating? ::)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 31, 2007, 07:59:03 PM
Hmmm....this sounds like your debating me...  Yet there is no debate, so that would mean you are debating yourself?
Pointing out that it is not a debatable topic is debating? ::)

yes it is
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on August 31, 2007, 07:59:14 PM
Hmmm....this sounds like your debating me...  Yet there is no debate, so that would mean you are debating yourself?
Pointing out that it is not a debatable topic is debating? ::)

Actually to be fair MC, he has a point. He is rationalizing that the debate is now whether or not a debate formerly existed. What this means is, nothing this person ever says will ever garner another response from me, because he is clearly here for no reason but free time.

Now then, check your god damn pm's for once! :P
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 31, 2007, 08:02:46 PM
Can a robot have feeling toward a person?  Is it sentient, or aware of it's own existence?  Can it adapt and evolve?

The better question is will i oneday be able to bone a hot cyborg chick.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 08:06:43 PM
I only notice that I have PM's when I check my email. :P
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on August 31, 2007, 08:10:15 PM
Hmmm....this sounds like your debating me...  Yet there is no debate, so that would mean you are debating yourself?
Pointing out that it is not a debatable topic is debating? ::)

He is rationalizing that the debate is now whether or not a debate formerly existed. What this means is, nothing this person ever says will ever garner another response from me, because he is clearly here for no reason but free time.

Well that's what you think.....but how do you know that's not what I want you to think?

Maybe I am a soul who flew down to Earth and logged on just to mess with you?

Or...  maybe I've posted a question, whether debatable or not has stimulated over 100 responses in shorter a time frame than anything here.

Maybe that hurts your ego?

Awwww..... it's ok 21 year old Canuck who thinks he knows it all but couldn't spell inertia if a cup of coffee flew in his lap while making a left turn.

Yaaaaa dare aye. 
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on August 31, 2007, 08:13:00 PM
Hmmm....this sounds like your debating me...  Yet there is no debate, so that would mean you are debating yourself?
Pointing out that it is not a debatable topic is debating? ::)

He is rationalizing that the debate is now whether or not a debate formerly existed. What this means is, nothing this person ever says will ever garner another response from me, because he is clearly here for no reason but free time.

Well that's what you think.....but how do you know that's not what I want you to think?

Maybe I am a soul who flew down to Earth and logged on just to mess with you?

Or...  maybe I've posted a question, whether debatable or not has stimulated over 100 responses in shorter a time frame than anything here.

Maybe that hurts your ego?

Awwww..... it's ok 21 year old Canuck who thinks he knows it all but couldn't spell inertia if a cup of coffee flew in his lap while making a left turn.

Yaaaaa dare aye. 

Yeah but how many of these posts were saying the subject sucked?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Masterchef on August 31, 2007, 08:22:05 PM
Maybe I am a soul who flew down to Earth and logged on just to mess with you?
There is no reason to believe that. Even if you try and claim that it is possible, which would be a big stretch, being "possible" does not make it likely. You are using a fallacious line of reasoning that has no place in a real debate (or in the real world).

Quote
Maybe that hurts your ego?
Yup, I'm sure Mids is torn apart inside because Mr. SkyDiver of teh internets got 100 responses in his troll topic. ::)

Quote
Awwww..... it's ok 21 year old Canuck who thinks he knows it all but couldn't spell inertia if a cup of coffee flew in his lap while making a left turn.
Who was that aimed at? ???
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 31, 2007, 08:27:05 PM
Can a robot have feeling toward a person?  Is it sentient, or aware of it's own existence?  Can it adapt and evolve?

That was the plot of a TNG episode.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Mr. Ireland on September 01, 2007, 07:24:14 AM
Hmmm....this sounds like your debating me...  Yet there is no debate, so that would mean you are debating yourself?
Pointing out that it is not a debatable topic is debating? ::)

He is rationalizing that the debate is now whether or not a debate formerly existed. What this means is, nothing this person ever says will ever garner another response from me, because he is clearly here for no reason but free time.

Well that's what you think.....but how do you know that's not what I want you to think?

Maybe I am a soul who flew down to Earth and logged on just to mess with you?

Or...  maybe I've posted a question, whether debatable or not has stimulated over 100 responses in shorter a time frame than anything here.

Maybe that hurts your ego?

Awwww..... it's ok 21 year old Canuck who thinks he knows it all but couldn't spell inertia if a cup of coffee flew in his lap while making a left turn.

Yaaaaa dare aye. 

Yeah but how many of these posts were saying the subject sucked?

60-80%
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: BOGWarrior89 on September 01, 2007, 12:33:33 PM
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Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on September 02, 2007, 02:56:27 PM
"the fact is that most machines are just a collection of wires ad plastic. the computer for instance on which i've written this book has no more soul than a Toyota Corrolla which in turn has no more soul than a corby trouser press

but some machines do have a soul. Sometimes, as is the case with concorde and the AK47 it's because they possess that most human of qualities, a flaw, and sometimess it's because they were born carrying the genetic fingerprint of a foolish and misguided inventor. Count Zeppelin springs to mind here." - Jeremy Clarkson- I know you got soul
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: cmdshft on September 02, 2007, 03:08:51 PM
thread over.

truth
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on September 02, 2007, 06:40:55 PM
60-80%

More like 83% but that's just my opinion.

Ohh....BUMP  8)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on September 02, 2007, 06:41:46 PM
thread over.

truth

Can you prove this outlandish claim?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on September 02, 2007, 07:10:23 PM
No because someone has allowed your account access. That won't last much longer. ;)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on September 02, 2007, 11:22:20 PM
"the fact is that most machines are just a collection of wires ad plastic. the computer for instance on which i've written this book has no more soul than a Toyota Corrolla which in turn has no more soul than a corby trouser press

but some machines do have a soul. Sometimes, as is the case with concorde and the AK47 it's because they possess that most human of qualities, a flaw, and sometimess it's because they were born carrying the genetic fingerprint of a foolish and misguided inventor. Count Zeppelin springs to mind here." - Jeremy Clarkson- I know you got soul

My toyota corrolla so too has a soul. 

I love it. It is the best car ever. If you had said a Ford i would agree with you, they have no souls and are damned to eternal torment in a scrapheap.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on September 02, 2007, 11:37:34 PM
"I love what you do for me, TOYOTA!"

Sounds like a porn blurb.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on September 02, 2007, 11:41:04 PM
"I love what you do for me, TOYOTA!"

Sounds like a porn blurb.

my toyota is very sexy. I would do it if it wasn't a boy car. At least I think it is, i'll have to go check.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on September 02, 2007, 11:41:35 PM
The mere fact you checked at all frightens me.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on September 03, 2007, 07:37:07 AM
"I love what you do for me, TOYOTA!"

Sounds like a porn blurb.

my toyota is very sexy. I would do it if it wasn't a boy car. At least I think it is, i'll have to go check.

How do you check?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: cmdshft on September 03, 2007, 07:43:49 AM
"I love what you do for me, TOYOTA!"

Sounds like a porn blurb.

my toyota is very sexy. I would do it if it wasn't a boy car. At least I think it is, i'll have to go check.

How do you check?

Manual or automatic transmission usually gives it away.

Invest in a Supra, boy.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on September 03, 2007, 07:49:40 AM
So which is which then? I'm betting manuel is male
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on September 03, 2007, 09:54:46 AM
"I love what you do for me, TOYOTA!"

Sounds like a porn blurb.

my toyota is very sexy. I would do it if it wasn't a boy car. At least I think it is, i'll have to go check.

How do you check?

Um if you don't know then i'm not gonna tell you.

(explaining sex to gayer that's ironic.)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on September 03, 2007, 10:07:42 AM
Explain it to me *pouts*
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on September 03, 2007, 11:26:28 AM
Explain it to me *pouts*

Do you know how when blokes come over they pull out special things to use on you?

Those special things make them male.

Do you know your rusty sawmill? That makes you female.

Tada. All explained.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: BOGWarrior89 on September 03, 2007, 02:05:25 PM
 :o
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Midnight on September 03, 2007, 03:34:20 PM
*drooling*

B.O.G. you cad, you. :D
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: BOGWarrior89 on September 03, 2007, 10:28:38 PM
:o

B.O.G. you cad, you. :D

 ::)  Look at who's all growed up ...
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on September 04, 2007, 02:39:23 AM
So cars have special things and sawmills too?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2007, 06:12:06 AM
So cars have special things and sawmills too?

Yes, but on second thought the emergency break determines sex.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on September 04, 2007, 06:13:21 AM
It does?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Dead Kangaroo on September 04, 2007, 06:02:25 PM
Invest in a Supra, boy.
If you wish to live with all limbs intact go with what you unsterstand the limits to be of the vehicle your after, if you don't understand limits then your fucked either way, please choose your wheels of death wisely before killing yourself. If you have more power to the engine then remember you have less control of the handling of the car. If your a power only obsessed retard, then I wish you a brief death(sorry it's the best thats on offer), otherwise take heed.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2007, 06:28:40 PM
It does?

Yes if it has a big stick that you grab and pull it's a dude car.

And if you stick two fingers up a gap and pull back, it's a female.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: cmdshft on September 04, 2007, 08:28:40 PM
Invest in a Supra, boy.
If you wish to live with all limbs intact go with what you unsterstand the limits to be of the vehicle your after, if you don't understand limits then your fucked either way, please choose your wheels of death wisely before killing yourself. If you have more power to the engine then remember you have less control of the handling of the car. If your a power only obsessed retard, then I wish you a brief death(sorry it's the best thats on offer), otherwise take heed.

And you're telling me, a experienced racer and gear head, this why?  ???
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on September 05, 2007, 01:27:29 AM
It does?

Yes if it has a big stick that you grab and pull it's a dude car.

And if you stick two fingers up a gap and pull back, it's a female.

Now that makes sense

I have a hermaphrodite car
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on September 05, 2007, 04:38:07 AM
It does?

Yes if it has a big stick that you grab and pull it's a dude car.

And if you stick two fingers up a gap and pull back, it's a female.

My Dad's car has a foot-operated handbrake, not a hand-handbrake.

Is that a female car with foot fetish?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on September 05, 2007, 06:13:32 AM
It does?

Yes if it has a big stick that you grab and pull it's a dude car.

And if you stick two fingers up a gap and pull back, it's a female.

My Dad's car has a foot-operated handbrake, not a hand-handbrake.

Is that a female car with foot fetish?

It's a sadomasochist male with a small penis.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: SkyDiver on October 01, 2007, 01:33:05 PM
No because someone has allowed your account access. That won't last much longer. ;)

Sorry to dissappoint you.... 
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Agent_0042 on October 01, 2007, 06:02:53 PM
my toyota is very sexy. I would do it if it wasn't a boy car. At least I think it is, i'll have to go check.

How do you check?

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/613769838_7eee2c731a.jpg)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on October 03, 2007, 05:37:47 AM
my toyota is very sexy. I would do it if it wasn't a boy car. At least I think it is, i'll have to go check.

How do you check?

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/613769838_7eee2c731a.jpg)

Actually that just proves that the owner of the car is making up for something.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: The Communist on October 03, 2007, 05:22:48 PM
Just like your avatar is making up for something  ::)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on October 03, 2007, 06:22:44 PM
Just like your avatar is making up for something  ::)
Yes, i don't live in a castle. I am soooo making up for that.


(actually it's from Tool. So you could say it makes me a druggy. You need to work on your logic.)
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: The Communist on October 03, 2007, 10:01:02 PM
Just like your avatar is making up for something  ::)
Yes, i don't live in a castle. I am soooo making up for that.


(actually it's from Tool. So you could say it makes me a druggy. You need to work on your logic.)

My logic does flow with your response. GB2 reading_comprehension.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on October 04, 2007, 05:51:40 AM
No thanks.

Anywho......GB2Eatmycock?


Neh i don't like that, i'll pass on that fad.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: narcberry on October 04, 2007, 11:47:04 AM
No thanks.

Anywho......GB2Eatmycock?


Neh i don't like that, i'll pass on that fad.

Reported to moderator.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: The Communist on October 04, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
Anywho......GB2Eatmycock?

The other white meat  :-*
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on October 04, 2007, 04:00:14 PM
Rofl.

Babies the other other white meat.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Torn Bishop on October 13, 2007, 08:41:55 PM
This thread is to demonstrate that anything can be debated endlessly, regardless of how absurd what your debating may be.

The example I am choosing to use is my computer.

The challenge is to you!  Any of you who wish to actually debate.

The claim: 

My computer has a soul, and can think for itself.



I welcome all half witted challengers, as well as the truly scientific minded to convince me, that my computer is nothing more then a pile of electronics and plastic.

KIll it, so it can join the calculators in silicon heaven.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: me25 on October 14, 2007, 08:29:13 AM
no, with all the porn he's probably got on his computer it'll go to silicon hell.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Torn Bishop on October 14, 2007, 10:27:07 AM
no, with all the porn he's probably got on his computer it'll go to silicon hell.
Incorrect, he's repenting his human interface device stickied sins.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: me25 on October 14, 2007, 04:30:37 PM
Who do computers go to for confessions? Is there a robo-priest?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Loard Z on October 14, 2007, 04:49:02 PM
I dunno about a soul but my computer certainly has a dry sense of humour. It knows exactly how and when to piss me off, every day.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: me25 on October 17, 2007, 05:18:45 PM
he just doesn't want the robo-priest to get bored when he goes for confessions.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Torn Bishop on October 18, 2007, 08:41:02 AM
Who do computers go to for confessions? Is there a robo-priest?
There was once, but it got shut down for downloading too much kiddy porn.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on October 19, 2007, 05:57:20 AM
Damn i was gonna ask if he uploads the schematics of the robo choir boys.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: me25 on October 24, 2007, 11:54:09 AM
It does?

Yes if it has a big stick that you grab and pull it's a dude car.

And if you stick two fingers up a gap and pull back, it's a female.

My Dad's car has a foot-operated handbrake, not a hand-handbrake.

Is that a female car with foot fetish?
here is where we end up back at the question, are there boy robots?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Loard Z on October 24, 2007, 04:57:13 PM
In Short Circuit, Number 5 was "attracted" to a Feminine style waitress robot. And clearly did not show the same attraction for Numbers 1-4.
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: me25 on October 24, 2007, 05:27:47 PM
was that a movie or something?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Raist on October 25, 2007, 05:49:46 AM
I'd be a boy robot. With a huge rench.  :-*
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: John Davis on October 25, 2007, 09:10:11 AM
Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city,
Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose? The lights are much brighter there...
You can forget all your troubles; forget all your cares, and go
Downtown -- things will be great when you're
Downtown -- you'll find a place for sure
Downtown -- everything's waiting for you

Downtown .... Downtown...
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: me25 on October 27, 2007, 06:10:04 PM
Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city,
Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose? The lights are much brighter there...
You can forget all your troubles; forget all your cares, and go
Downtown -- things will be great when you're
Downtown -- you'll find a place for sure
Downtown -- everything's waiting for you

Downtown .... Downtown...
so are they boy neon signs or girl signs or does it depend on what they say?
Title: Re: My Computer Has A Soul
Post by: Loard Z on October 27, 2007, 07:14:40 PM
was that a movie or something?

Dude have you never heard of Short Circuit?

It's a movie about a military test robot that gets struck by lightning and comes to life. It's very 80's and really funny. There's some classic one-liners in it. Example:

HOWARD: Why can't he triangulate his position?
CROSBY: Can you triangulate your position?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091949/